http://www.smogon.com/forums/thread s/marshadow-is-now-banne

Fucking finally.

>>32953469
What a surprise!

>it's real
Is it even released yet?

>>32953489
It was released a few days ago and was in nearly every single team.

>>32953489
It was out for two days and everyone was fucking using it.

>>32953505
>>32953513
Damn, shows how much I keep up.

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>>32953469
Kek. That didn't last long.

He didn't really seem uber worthy. What kind of sets did people run?

Thank god

>>32953469
A surprise to no one.

>>32953558
Read the damn link in the OP.

>>32953558
Band
Scarf
LO
Bulk Up Z-Move
Swagger
Substitute

When can I get one?

>>32953605
Around next week

>>32953469
>Technichan

Should go to PU imo

>>32953631
Why don't you Force your Palm around your neck and Shadow Sneak your way into the next life?

>>32953600

so swagger isn't banned anymore?

>>32953645
upvoted

>>32953469
>can't win against it
>let's just ban it
LOL, Smogon showing that they can't play a game for kids yet again

>>32953650
confusion nerf made swagplay worthless

>>32953584

>said thread doesn't even mention mega minsir

Mega Pinsir is the savior

>>32953469
marshmallow btfo

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>people honestly thought Marshadow would dethrone pic related
Reminder that Magearna's next, and nothing you can can stop it.

>>32953698
>tfw your sick can can dance can't save magearna
why even live

So can we all go back to spamming Magearna and her million z-moves?

>Good goyim don't let anything spice up the meta! Pre-order our smogon made lando-t merchandize for your shekels.

based smogonbros
karenfags btfo

>>32953698
>the ability Technician boosts Marshadow’s Shadow Sneak, and even Hidden Power Ice to threaten typical physically defensive catch-alls found on bulky offensive teams, such as Landorus-T and defensive Tangrowth
I will not get amaze if that were the unique reason of the council to ban it.

>>32953680
252 Atk Aerilate Pinsir-Mega Quick Attack vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Marshadow: 218-258 (67.9 - 80.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pinsir-Mega: 123-145 (45.3 - 53.5%) -- 41% chance to 2HKO

If it was damaged previously, sure it can take care of the job. However, if Pinsir couldn't kill and it was damaged by rocks, then it dies next turn:

252 Atk Marshadow Shadow Sneak vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pinsir-Mega: 55-66 (20.2 - 24.3%) -- guaranteed 5HKO

It's even worse if it stole an attack boost. Actually, if you have Z-Spectral and has good HP, you don't even need to boost in order to almost reliably oneshot it:

252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pinsir-Mega: 265-313 (97.7 - 115.4%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

>>32953716
Can't wait for Magearna to take the boot as well.

I can't wait to watch Marshadow become an Ubers staple.

>>32953763
>they literally said "we'll ban it because it wrecks lando-T's arsehole.

Fuck them.

>>32953734
>OU
>karenfags

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>Decidueye was one of the best counters to Marshadow
>Marshadow is banned before Decidueye gets the chance to be declared OU
Really makes you realize that Smogon is full of sealfuckers, huh.

>>32953469
>(Users: 152, Guests: 1615)
>over 140 likes
Wew, lad. People must be really happy with this decision and it's not hard to see why.
The little ghost belonged in Uber to begin with since Spectral Thief and SSSSS are fucking broken

>Something that could potentially check, counter or dethrone Landorus-T as most used OU mon shows up
>Gets banned within days

This is starting to get quite ridicolous. The Smogon "council" and its "senators" are clearly biased about the healthy meta tiger. Fucking why?

>>32953885
>Decidueye was one of the best counters to Marshadow

Isn't spectral thief Ghost type?

>>32953698
What could Lando-T realistically get that would force it out of OU? I thought maybe Roost (if Mantine gets it then so could he) but I don't know if that'd "break" it.

>>32953921
It is. Decidueye is also considerably slower than Marshadow, so even if Decidueye switched in on a CC, it'll get fucked next turn anyway. Literally nothing about Decidueye is a counter, or even check. Anon was just falseflagging.

>>32953910
They aren't satisfied until all battles are decided by a speed tie between two lando-t

>>32953933
it's broken this gen, just there's so much other annoying shit no one really cares. ou is garbage.

>>32954021
Fucking seriously. This gen is cancer. People have gotten used to it to the point where people are saying even Lele isn't a problem. Which is, technically true, considering how much other shit thats even worse is ahead of it on the cancer list.

Fuck this meta.

>>32953933
Genium Z and Dragon Dance

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>>32953885
Hahahahahahahaha alright look I get that you like Decidueye but you don't have to bullshit this hard

>>32953955
This. So much this. Smogon will keep trying to protect their precious lion no matter how brokenly good he is.

>>32954038
Until at least one of the Greninja Bros or Magearna are gone, OU will not improve.

>>32954038
Thank god this godawful gen is likely to end more sooner than later.

Landorus is objectively more broken than Marshadow, and should have been banned before Marshadow.

There.

There's the objective truth.

>>32953885
i smell falseflagging barafag

Why? Mega Lop, Mega Pinsir, Marshadow (kek), Fini, Bulu and Mega Sebleye counter this nigga and they didnt even let 1 week to prove tyhta. Smogon are bunch of pussies

>>32954283
most of these get sharted by a tapu koko partner

>>32954283
If it can beat Lando-T effortlessly, it's insta-banned.
You SEVERELY underestimate the boner Smogon's "Council" has for Le Healthy Meta Tiger.

>>32954166
Yeah, but unless the Tapu's get a heavy nerf, I'm not looking forward to next gen.

Zygarde, Greninja Bros and Magearna are all fucked in and of themselves, but the tapu's are a bigger problem. They're not immediately broken like the others are, but GF decided to inject in 4, super powerful, dual typed, terrain inducing, meta defining fairies, all at once. THAT shit is here to stay, and its the sort of change that shakes up the meta at its core far more, for generations to come. Even if the immediate threats are dealt with, there's still these fuckers looming.

>>32954283
These are checks not counters

>"people" dont like the best meta since gen 4
omg lol

>>32954148
>>32954371
Forgive my retardation but what the fuck are/is "Greninja Bros"?

>>32954502
Ash and protean greninja

>>32954283
Close Combat vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Lopunny-Mega: 402-474 (148.3 - 174.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO
252 Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Pinsir-Mega: 123-145 (45.3 - 53.5%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 248 HP / 8 Def Tapu Fini: 273-322 (79.5 - 93.8%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO after Stealth Rock
252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu: 274-324 (97.5 - 115.3%) -- guaranteed OHKO after Stealth Rock
+1 252 Atk Marshadow Spectral Thief vs. 248 HP / 116 Def Sableye-Mega: 160-190 (52.8 - 62.7%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

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>ghost has been a bad monotype for multiple generations, being totally reliant on mega sableye this generation and last to make it even usable
>fighting is notoriously bad in monotype this generation because of all the powerful fairies released, being arguably the worst type
>marshadow is released, breathing new life and increasing the viability of two types that the metagame disfavors
>well known monotype players are demanding quickban
>it's only a matter of time until marshadow is banned in monotype
>ghost and fighting will return to being hardly usable and unusable respectively

>>32954283
>mega doesn't KOpunny
>pinhol up while I steal yo boostsir
>yes
>tapu "slow as dick and dies to the z move" fini and bulu
>mega sabcan't kill it while it sets its ass upleye

>>32955829
Reminds me of when they unbanned kyu-w but only for mono ice.

>>32953933
Thousand Arrows.

>>32953933
Some sort of item that gives it a reliable flying nuke or a reliable rock nuke for the double dance set.

>>32954432
This isn't Gen 5 UU.

>>32953933
Here's the list off the top of my mind:
>Roost
>Shore Up
>Dragon Dance
>Brave Bird (or Wild Charge equivalent even)
>Disable
>stat redistribution into something like +10/20 Spe/SpA so that either it's 101/111 speed tier or SpA is high enough that you reach Aegislash/Lucario/Greninja tier of "idk what the fuck this thing will do until it uses up its entire movepool"
>an alternative instead of the SpA boost is giving it Sheer Force as hidden ability
>or Defiant/Competitive
>or really any good enough HA
Realistically it should have already gotten the boot during gen 6, but they could've gone the Mega-Sableye route and unban it right after the suspect test because "muh new gen".

>waah just ban it already
Keep in mind this isn't (only) Smogon's fault, the issue comes off GameFreak's inability to balance and not powercreep for shit; there's too much OP shit to worry about. This OU gen is the worst I have ever seen, worse than weather wars even, it's certainly worse than very late gen6 pre-Sableye ban with the sheer amount of ABR stall going about.
With that being said I really despise how slow Smogon acts to suspect test/quickban stuff. What the fuck are they waiting to suspect Magearna? See if it outdoes Landorus-T usage?

Will Ho-oH be a good check in ubers? A shame Rock Tomb means no outright countering.

>>32953558
Marsh is plenty useful in Ubers. The bulkiest mons there are ghost and psychic.

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>>32954283
>mfw first game with Marshadow someone switches Bulu into it
>mfw +1 252 Atk Marshadow Soul-Stealing 7-Star Strike vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu: 409-483 (145.5 - 171.8%) -- guaranteed OHKO
>mfw I proceed to spook the rest of their team

>>32955829
I expect a suspect first. Though to be fair Marshadow itself dumpsters the types it makes better, so not much changes. Also it can't beat Poison. In fact Poison has the absolute best counterplay to it
>Venu and Pex beat non- Z variants
>Crobat outspeeds and kills even if Marshadow is at +1 behind a sub and Crobat has 0 attack investment