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can somebody please explain what happened, i feel stupid; why did mandibuzz not get hit by gigavolt havoc? overcoat doesn't block nature power does it?

>>31733691
Nature power is boosted by prankster, apparently.

>>31733796
...but why doesn't mandibuzz get affected? overcoat doesn't block priority and electric terrain was up, not psychic

>>31733806
Dark types are immune to prankster.

>>31733817
ohhhhhhhh
ok i'm retarded thanks

Why is this so dead

Why am I still playing this game

What am I doing with my life

best oricorio / moveset?

>>31734948
Depends on your team. I've seen electric and ghost used.

Guzzlord won Illinois MSS kek

>>31735557
Have a stream or anything?

Anyone know if the Anaheim regional next Saturday is gonna be streamed?

http://pastebin.com/fj5gCUk0

RMT. I haven't played since about December, so some of this stuff is out of date with the metagame.

>>31737539
Also, about the team. I'm basically never able to set up TR, but other TR teams are annoying, especially gigalith.

And I really hate kartana. I could use arcanine over marowak, but then I feel like I'd need to completely change the team to not be hybrid trick room.

I wish incinerate was still a TM. It'd make muk easier to deal with. And a bug bite tutor.

>>31738520

Is A-Raichu usable with Koko

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I need advice guys. I can't seem to break this 1745 mark.
I lose one, then win one. Lose then win.
Fuuuuucckkk.

>>31743993
Yeah, plenty of people use it.

>>31744029
I can barely keep in the 1600s. I was able to get to the early 1800s back in 2015. I guess this just isn't my format.

>>31744235
Do they run HP Ice? I wish 5 moves were a thing for some pokemon

>>31744284
I'd imagine koko has HP ice. I've never used raichu, so I don't know. Fake out, thunderbolt, psychic, encore/protect/whatever.

>>31744296
well shit, already got my koko and it ain't ice

>>31744029
I wouldn't say that bad at all! I usually have either really good days when I win most of them and really bad days when I loose a bunch.

>>31744458
Ice is just for garchomp, right? You could run z dazzling gleam on koko instead.

stream @ libertygarden

>>31744648
I'll try it. I really like the concept of electric terrain lead

Is it impossible to find a battle when you're under 1400?
I disconnected a shit ton the two times I tried playing and I can't find anyone.

Anyone watching aonstreams on Twitch?
James Beak just had a clutch as fuck, awesome game

>>31746807
The problem is disconnects, not rating.

>>31748061
For the rating, you could always just reset your rating i guess. I don't know about the disconnections.

>>31748157
You might could reset it too. I know it resets when the season changes.

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THIS SHIT KEEPS HAPPENING

FUCK YOU WHOEVER STARTED THE SCARF MEME

>>31748768
SCARF ON EVERYTHING

>>31748768
Childhood is idolizing Scarf
Adulthood is realizing Trick Room makes more sense.

>>31748157
Is there a way to go about resetting it?
>>31748061
This was over a week ago.

>>31750437
I know you can but i don't know how, i think you just delete your profile on gl and make a new one, but Im not sure at all

Aerodactyl is going to be the new come out of nowhere mememon that wins a big event. You heard it here first

>>31750785
I don't think aerodactyl does enough to be a star. It has some interesting tech options, like sky drop and unnerve, but that's about it.

>>31751414
Apparently Hibiki is running it to moderate success with Flamethrower and Z Stone Edge.

EUUW-WWWW-WWW5-ALY3

>Dragon dance fly salamence

Why? I thought maybe EQ since it was next to a vikavolt, but fly?

Is Hail a viable weather in this meta? I really love Ninetales but I'm struggling with finding a way to use hail to better potential besides just aurora veil and blizzard. I'm running light clay for now, and have safety goggles and overcoat on two other mons, but I feel like it can be used better.

http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Burn_Up_(move)
>If the user is a pure Fire-type Pokémon, it will become typeless.
What's "typeless" mean? I used to think it'd become a normal type, but does this mean that fighting type moves will also do x1 damage?

>>31755394
It turns it into the type old school Curse used to be. So no resistances or weaknesses.

>>31755848
I thought the "???" type didn't exist in the games anymore?

>>31755951
Well it is back now you dumb cunt. Its just called typeless.

What's the usual EV spread and nature for Porygon2?

Where are our streams?

>>31755848
>>31755951
>>31757770
It doesn't really matter what you want to call it, the point is that it has no STAB and no weaknesses or resistances.

Weird thing is, a Tornadus using Roost doesn't become typeless like it logically should, it becomes normal type.

>>31758780
I can stream if anybody's interested. Just doing battlespot.

/casiris_

Where is Krookodile currently in the doubles scene? Would I get dicked on for using it or can it still function w/Intimidate or is it better for Moxie sweeping with CS?

>>31759129
>Weird thing is, a Tornadus using Roost doesn't become typeless like it logically should, it becomes normal type.

They probably didn't care enough to change it, since Tornadus, doesn't actually learn roost.

>>31760162
Definitely intimidate. If you're not using Intimidate, it's just a worse Garchomp.

>>31760868
I'm more surprised that it gains Normal type at all. Despite people thinking of it as the "default" type, there's technically no reason why it would become Normal instead of any other type.

>>31755057
Hail is never useful as an archetype. Its only use is breaking sashes for things like kartana. I faced a team which used aurora veil and celesteela and it was annoying to fight.

Guys is anyone willing to trade a celesteela for a buzzwole/kartana?

>>31762321
put it in the gts, surely you'll get one soon enough. I doubt it has the right nature, but that's the point of pkhex

>>31762351
that's what I'm trying,it seems that no one like buzzwole ):

>>31762373
just leave it be for a while. if nobody takes it,I'll inject a celesteela for you tomorrow

>>31762453
thanks

btw guys, this is the first team I made

Metagross @ Weakness Policy
Ability: Clear Body
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/0
- Meteor Mash
- Zen Headbutt
- Earthquake
- Protect

Arcanine @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
- Bulldoze
- Wild Charge
- Protect
- Flare Blitz

Gigalith @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Sand Stream
Level: 50
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 SpD
Brave Nature
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/0
- Stealth Rock
- Heavy Slam
- Rock Slide
- Protect

Stoutland @ Choice Band
Ability: Sand Rush
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
IVs: 31/31/31/31/31/31
- Return
- Fire Fang
- Play Rough
- Swagger

Celesteela @ Leftovers
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 4 SpA / 136 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/31
- Fire Blast
- Flash Cannon
- Leech Seed
- Protect

Milotic @ Waterium Z
Ability: Competitive
Level: 50
EVs: 160 HP / 60 Def / 36 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 31/0/31/31/31/31
- Rain Dance
- Surf
- Ice Beam
- Protect

It may seem weird, but I actually have gotten to 1250 in the showdown ladder, maybe everyone else sucks.
Was thinking of changing milotic's ice beam for a HP and metagross' MM to Bullet punch, what do you guys think?

>>31762496
get rid of rain dance and surf and get recover and scald instead. hp won't do any damage.

>>31762496
I'd recommend After You on Stoutland to have some sort of speed control.
Recover over Rain Dance for the Milotic, also none of your partners would really apreciate being surf'd on, I think you'll get more mileage out of scald.
I'd assume Flamethrower on Celesteela would be a bit better than fire blast for the accuracy, unless you need it for specific KO's.
Stealth Rock in doubles is not really very good, but if you like it works for you it's fine I guess.

Keep on anon. The best advice I can give you is to take note of the things your team struggles against, which members have been the most useful, which ones haven't been of much use, and of course, always look back and think if you could have done something better in a match to better your position in key turns. That way you can improve and build on what you have to make an even better team.

>>31762659
Z- Rain dance is there to speed up milotic to abuse the competitive boost.
I was using scald, but surf has actually helped me more than scald, I never roll a burn and unboosted, scald won't OHKO anything. Might reconsider using scald if I KO myself too much though, protect's for that.

>>31762727
didn't even know Stoutland could learn After you, all moves have helped me on his set, swagger specially against fini, no one expects kartana being fire bitten and OHKO when there's a frailer pokemon on the field, play rough hasn't seen much use but it helps agains the occasional salamence/garchomp, it also has seen more use than ice fang.

Yeah, I basically put stealth rock on it because I never saw use for earthquake or explosion on Gigalith and I don't know what else to give him.

>>31762788
use wide guard

>>31762788
might as well use an adrenaline orb on milotic then, and saves you a turn. Also, Scald is stronger than Surf, though it only hits one opponent.

>>31762809
Fuck I didn't even think of that, it's great.
>>31762822
I don't want to depend on intimidate, even without EVs and unboosted surf/scald will deal decent damage with the rain on.
I was asking about ice beam because I don't see alot of ice movesin the current meta, perhaps an HP electric was of more use?

>>31762857
well, let me just say this.
With the STAB boost (x1.5), Scald (80) becomes a move with 120 power, in rain it's boosted by another 1.5, giving it a total of 180.
Hidden Power (60) on a super effective target is either 120, which is underwhelming for a coverage move, or 240 on x4 weak targets, which is better, but there aren't many of those around.
Forgoing Ice beam for HP electric is honestly terrible.
HP electric would only really hit gyarados which is not all that common and isn't very good against your team anyway; to other things it would do shit for damage, considering Milotic is not too strong. I'd very much rather have a way to hit Garchomp hard. It's the second most used pokemon, and half your team is weak to ground. Lose Ice beam and you can't only really hit it with Play Rough or Flash Cannon.

What do you think about protect on porygon? Everybody always double targets, so it's an easy bait, but I'm pretty sure if they use a Z move, it'll do enough damage through protect that double targeting next turn would take porygon out.

But maybe making the opponent waste all that time and resources is worth it.

>>31764630
It's a perfectly viable move if you're happy with only one attacking move.

>>31764659
I was thinking of getting rid of recover since I hardly use it.

>>31764672
Try it out and count how many situations arise where protect is the most worthwhile move then compare that to the number of times you wish you had recover instead. Depending on your team and how reliant it is on tr being up it could be more useful.

>>31764672
If you are failing at using recover, then you are not using porygon 2 correctly.

Switch the p2 in on a garchomp using EQ, then force it out with ice beam threat. Recover, and you just bought yourself a free switch.

Scenario 2: get TR up, recover back to full health, and watch as opponent wastes a turn or two trying to kill p2.

P2 has won me so many games. Ice beam and thunderbolt. Only thing it has trouble with is a-marowak, and the very rare gastrodon.

>>31765332
Snorlax is the ultimate p2 counter, you can't do shit to it unless you run toxic.

>>31765607
Snorlax can't scratch Porygon unless it's at +6.

>>31765607
Curse snorlax still takes big damage from p2 sp. Atks.

I won a local tourney thanks to imprision A-Muk
Shit was awesome, hariyama can't do shit because it had knock off and poison jab, and my last mon was Bulu

I guess this is the only real place to ask, but I fucked up and made my Lunala modest. I know it can't be used in normal VGC but I'd like to know if it's somewhat usable if the battle format changes to be like ORAS.

What's a good ability for mudsdale?

>>31765332
If I remember right, Ray Rizzo's P2 didn't have recover either. 3 attacks and TR. Seemed to work out well for him. Maybe porygon is just one of those mons I can't use well.

I did play a match last night where it would've been perfect to protect, but I didn't. Lele used shattered psyche and kartana sacred sword. But that's one of those situations where I'd be KOed next turn anyway thanks to the chip damage through protect.

And it was against rain, so TR would've been nice. After looking up the calcs, golduck Z hydro pump in rain only does 55-65%, so I guess for the future I know I can set up on it.

>>31767977
stamina, is this even a question?

>>31768075
Yes, because it seems like a pretty useless ability to me, just like the others.

>>31768103
What the fuck

+def or +atk nature on a-marowak?

>>31768276
Excuse me for being new I guess.

So there's a VGC tournament near my place this weekend. Don't really play the VGC but my friends wanted me to go.

Is there a easy to use team list that I can inject?

>>31768295
ther'e's no problemwith being new, there's a problem however with that bitch attitude you have.

good team mates for relicanth?

VGC twitter blowing up over team scouting again

>>31768966
Huh, I didn't know PS mods were able to know and leak all that shit. And people wonder why I hate the site so much and prefer to play on cart.

>>31769007
only global auth has access to alt check, which in itself is a pretty meaningless tool for scouting. People don't do this shit, and people that do get removed from staff. Wolfe's just an autist and doesn't know how PS works and thinks hes some victim of stealing. And all his fans blindly follow.

>>31769057
He already exposed them with screencaps buddy

>>31769011

>>31769078
And even so, they claim they went full detective mode (bullshit). Why the fuck would you do that? Leave whoever is using that account alone for fucks sake.

>>31769078
>literally says nothing other than them knowing its wolfe and then someone randomly checking for them. guess you're another one of the blind wolfe sheep

>>31769231
>defending this
The guy already went full defense mode on twitter denying everything, it's obviously something that they aren't allowed to have access to

>>31769294
>aren't allowed access to
Global mods have access to ip check/alt check. This has been a thing for over a decade. Someone in this group was a global mod, and used alt check after the whole group wonders who they're playing against.

>>31769391
Wrong wording, some can obviously have access to it, but you aren't supposed to abuse that information and share it

>>31769599
https://twitter.com/NailsOU/status/831228075748757504

Any tips on improving this team? I get fucked mainly by Celesteela, and i believe i am too dependant on trick room. Pelipper is there to boost araquanid and to counter other weather teams.

Tapu Lele @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Hidden Power [Fire]
- Thunderbolt

Kartana @ Focus Sash
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Sacred Sword
- Protect
- Smart Strike

Araquanid @ Waterium Z
Ability: Water Bubble
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Adamant Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Liquidation
- Wide Guard
- Protect
- Leech Life

Pelipper @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 116 Def / 140 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Protect
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Roost

Muk-Alola @ Iapapa Berry
Ability: Gluttony
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Knock Off
- Poison Jab
- Protect
- Rock Slide

Porygon2 @ Eviolite
Ability: Download
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 128 Def / 128 SpD
Bold Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Thunderbolt
- Trick Room
- Recover
- Tri Attack

>>31769691
>they actually checked the host to reveal his identity

That's just as bad. These Smogon fucks can't be trusted anymore.

>>31769691
Yeah, and he shouldn't have shared that information

>>31769737
>>31769775
to each their own. its no where near as bad as wolfe played it out to be. "THEY'RE STEALING MY TEAMS AND ABUSING POWER!"

>>31769716
Maybe try tailwind on pelipper. It's easier to set up than TR. Also, use pastebin.

>>31769812
That I can agree with. I'm not defending Wolfe here, just showing my disgust that these people are able to do this (check your shit and sharing it), and they do it without any remorse. I really hope this gives the Smogon VGC circlejerk a bad public image.

You know, seeing all this stupid drama on the VGC "community" and how there's one shitstorm every single week makes me glad I'm not part of it and I just play for fun. I can't imagine how taxing it must be to be involved in such a shitfest all the time.

>>31770037
Or you can just, you know, not get involved in any drama, like 80% of the community.

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>wolfe stirring up drama yet again
this is what you get for wanting pokemon to be esports, faggot

>>31770873
To be fair, power abuse is a bad thing and shouldn't be taken lightly. Yes, he did overreact, but it was for a reason.

>>31770037
just keep away from wolfe and his goons and you're good

>>31770974
Kinda this. He may be a faggot, but he was right to be butthurt this time.

pls don't put scarf into fucking everything, it makes me want to use hard trick room, but i'm not a big fan of it

up you go

What pokemon takes the best advantage of Gimmick Room?

>>31770974

It's hard to sympathize with Wolfe considering the amount of team scouting that he's done himself, but Nails was in the wrong in this situation. Checking Wolfe's IP to confirm that it's him is a hilarious abuse of power and should never have happened.

>/vp/ suddenly hates wolfe
what happened?

>>31774116
Constant drama. Jew. More attractive than I am.

>>31774116
Jealousy. Before he became the champion, everyone sucked his dick.

>>31774141
>more attractive than I am
That's sad.

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>>31774172
Look at him.

>>31774116
He didn't upload in weeks. Why did I even sub reeeeee

>>31774262
pokemon standards are this low, huh?
you should check out real e-sport threads on /vg/

>>31773590
Araquanid

>tfw I topped in my locals for the past 3 weeks

Fish in a small pond, I know, but I'm pleased that I have been consistent.

I'm really digging Gastrodon/Lel/Chomp/Celesteela/Muk/Marowak

>>31775111
I don't use pokemon with bad designs.

>>31774116
He's cool with me

>>31774262
What a bro

>>31775268
Uh, Gigalith works pretty well, snorlax, alolan marowak....
Mudsdale, bunch of stuff, pretty good format for trick room. Oh yeah, torkoal.


Also, someone know how to reset ranking so I can actually play some games?

>>31775406
If on cart: Find another 3DS, go to Battle Spot and register the new system to wipe the data of the old one, then go back to your 3DS and register it again.

If on digital copy, you're fucked. Well, no, you're not, but if you're not wiling to start a new save file, you'll be needing at least a homebrew entrypoint and a very lenghty process that is honestly not worth.

>>31775442
Luckily I'm on cart and have multiple 3ds systems.

Question before going much further:

1) how does Araquanid stack up in VGC
2) does anything benefit greatly from receiving Water Bubble?

The only Mon that comes to mind would be Tapu Fini, but I suppose Gyarados would be a solid candidate too?

>>31775713
Araquanid is a pretty good pokemon in its own right, especially in tr. Currently the 18th most used mon on battle spot.
If you're thinking about some kind of entrainment strat on Fini it might be viable but it seems pretty gimmicky.

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>reset my ranking so I could actually play
>play two games, second one really long
>game disconnects again after
why
just why
There's nothing I can do then
None of my other consoles have this issue, it's just this game
Just why gamefreak
I just want to play
Everyone else can play
why can't I play?

https://twitter.com/NailsOU/status/831379272459759616

Fucking great.

>>31742217

nope

Who's Collinsville regionals here?

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Friendly reminder that if you inject mons, you're a dirty cheater and deserve to be banned. Follow VGC rules like I do. Don't be a cheater like Wolfe. Dream Balls are illegal!!

Also, shiny = hacker.

Listen to me or drink base liquids. By that I mean egg whites.

First team, thoughts?

Kartana @ Focus Sash
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Smart Strike
- Sacred Sword
- Protect

Milotic @ Leftovers
Ability: Competitive
EVs: 252 HP / 76 Def / 172 SpA / 4 SpD / 4 Spe
Calm Nature
- Scald
- Ice Beam
- Haze
- Recover

Mimikyu @ Life Orb
Ability: Disguise
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Shadow Claw
- Play Rough
- Shadow Sneak
- Swords Dance

Garchomp @ Rocky Helmet
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Poison Jab
- Protect

Magnezone @ Choice Specs
Ability: Magnet Pull
EVs: 128 HP / 252 SpA / 128 Spe
- Thunderbolt
- Flash Cannon
- Volt Switch
- Hidden Power [Fire]

Tapu Lele @ Terrain Extender
Ability: Psychic Surge
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Psychic
- Moonblast
- Thunderbolt
- Taunt

>>31784384
Terrain extender probably won't be very useful when most opponents have a tapu.
You obviously don't have to run an item just because it's popular but there's a reason why scarf and z crystal are more common.
Similarly with Chomp's item, scarf or z crystal could prove more useful since it's not really bulky enough to make the best use of rocky helmet.

>>31784384
Haze kinda works against you since you have SD Mimikyu and Kartana, not to mention that it also gets rid of your Competitive boosts. I don't think it's worth running over something like Protect.

Change Rocky Helmet on Garchomp and put Groundium Z. Rocky Helmet won't do much for you since Garchomp is generally attacked with special stuff that doesn't make contact.

Terrain Extender is pretty useless with the abundance of Koko and Fini, and, as with Haze, it might work against you since the terrain will be up for more turns, so your Mimikyu will essentially run 2/3 moves. Speaking of which, you might want to make room for Protect, since it's a Pokemon that will get double targetted often thanks to its ability.

>>31784466
>>31784491
Thanks for the advice.

>>31784384
>>31784491
If you don't want protect on milotic for whatever reason you could run dragon tail instead of haze to switch out anything with stat boosts or potential tr setters before they can get it up.

>>31784384
If you want to run haze on milotic, consider using icium Z with it. It fully heals you when used. This would also free up your 4th slot for protect or something of the like. Also gives u a decent ice nuke to use if needed.

>captcha: rise calle

>moved my router
>don't dc anymore
Yay
Also jeez I've played fourteen or so games thinking I can't oneshot gigalith with hydro vortex on gyarados
Arcanine and giga, just jeez.

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>the opposing tapu koko floats with its air balloon!

Anyone else annoyed by how, if you switch out your first Pokemon, the cursor stays on the switch button for the second Pokemon?

>>31790383
fuck that man

>mfw z-hyper meme porygonZ actually works
the amount of stuff it OHKOs is ridiculous

new to this, tell me all problems with the following electric lead memeteam
Tapu Koko @ Fairium Z
Ability: Electric Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Dazzling Gleam
- Thunderbolt
- Protect
- Volt Switch

Raichu-Alola @ Focus Sash
Ability: Surge Surfer
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Fake Out
- Protect

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Shadow Bone
- Protect
- Flare Blitz
- Bonemerang

Garchomp @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Rough Skin
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Outrage
- Rock Slide
- Poison Jab

Mudsdale @ Assault Vest
Ability: Stamina
Level: 50
EVs: 172 HP / 204 Atk / 132 SpD
Adamant Nature
- High Horsepower
- Heavy Slam
- Close Combat
- Rock Slide

Tapu Fini @ Leftovers
Ability: Misty Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 140 SpA / 116 SpD
Calm Nature
- Moonblast
- Calm Mind
- Muddy Water
- Protect

About to register for the Alola Friendly thing that's about to start and realized that my Weavile isn't eligable since it's Gen 6

Can I scarf an Adamant Kartana and have it work as a substitute or should I try to breed a Weavile asap?

>>31792248
How should we know?
You need to consider what the Weavile is necessary for in your team, and what you would struggle to beat without it, then decide whether Kartana can do the same. If you just need a fast physical attacker, then sure. If you need to use it to Fake Out, or Taunt, or hit dragons, then you might be out of luck.
Either post more info on your team or work it out yourself.

>>31791700
Outrage is shit
With two electric types, a Lightningrod user and two Ground types, you really should be using Discharge somewhere. The 30% para chance on both opponents is a hugely underrated boost.
Similarly, you have three Ground weaknesses. Why not put Groundium-Z on Garchomp so you can hit things with Earthquake without having to Protect your ally? It's very popular and probably a lot better than Tapu Koko's Twinkle Tackle. If you are going to go Scarf, consider Adamant instead. You'll still be faster than Pheromosa and even the majority of Scarf Tapu Lele, and even with Jolly you'll be slower than all Tailwind and Swift Swim users.
You need an answer to Trick Room other than to just stall it with Mudsdale and Marowak. Your own Trick Room user is great if you can play it well, since it will probably end up being useful for you at some point. Otherwise, Taunt and Roar are pretty helpful for stopping it being set up.

>>31792248
Not even hard to breed a weavile.

>>31792990
Get rid of Outrage.

Seriously with this entire format shitting Fairies out like pink diarrhea most Garchomps don't even bother running a STAB Dragon move anymore. The only reason almost anyone uses Garchomp is because there is a piss poor choice of Ground types.

>>31792915
yeah, you're right, let me post it

>>31792995
It's not that it's hard, I just didn't want to right now

Pelipper @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 52
EVs: 252 HP / 4 SpA / 252 SpD
Bold Nature
- Hurricane
- Ice Beam
- Scald
- Roost

Slowbro @ Leftovers
Ability: Regenerator
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpA
Quiet Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Psyshock
- Slack Off
- Trick Room

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def
Impish Nature
- Bonemerang
- Iron Head
- Shadow Bone
- Flare Blitz

Wishiwashi @ Chesto Berry
Ability: Schooling
Level: 55
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Spe
Brave Nature
- Aqua Tail
- Earthquake
- Ice Beam
- Rest

Tapu Koko @ Expert Belt
Ability: Electric Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Volt Switch
- Grass Knot
- Dazzling Gleam
- Thunder

Kartana @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Smart Strike
- X-Scissor
- Sacred Sword

So yeah, give my Trick Room Drizzle team a rate so I can register it.

Any estimations when the scarf meme is going to end?

I loved this format, but suddenly everyone started to slap scarfs onto every single pokemon (I know item clause is a thing, fuck you) to cheese wins and I get tilted because this shit would never work in a best of 3, but Battlespot is a meme paradise.

>>31792248
Aw shit, the inscriptions have already started? Thanks for the heads up.

>>31793595
dies to discharge koko/vikavolt

>>31793676
I get that too, getting more pissed off than I should about gimmicky shit that only works in Bo1. I've run into all sorts of eevee teams, or snorlax belly drum, speed swap, psyche up shenanigans. Scarfed final gambit lucario and TR smeargle.

>>31793720
Are you lower ladder? I haven't left the 1500s and some of the shit I've run into is ridiculous.
>Four attack normalium z snorlax

>>31793716
But if I see a Koko on the other team, that's what Marowak is for. Also, Vikavolt is something Idon't think people are gonna use

>>31793720
The stupid Quiver Dance team with the Bird and Cutiefly is the worst, bah.

>>31793896
I just happen to run chomp and vika, which would tear through your team with little issue. Once marowak dies, you're extremely vulnerable to koko or other electric types. Porygon2 is also an issue as you can't reliably K.O it.
Your EV spreads are also really simple, I'd mess around with the damage calculator so you can get a reference as to what K.Os your mons and why. Sometimes simple is fine, but most of the time you want to make it so you can take as many hits as possible, or have a certain HP amount to better utilize berries, leftovers and the like. I feel like you'd be much better off with using porygon2 or oranguru over slowbro for your trick room setter since you already have plenty of things that have water and ice type stab, and that wishiwashi would be much better off as a special set. Impish marowak is just silly, especially with no protect.

>>31793964
Okay, I see what you mean. I can get started on a Porygon2 real fast.

What exactly is wrong with Impish Marowak? Is it the nature?

>>31794059
The nature, yeah, and I don't think it being impish helps it any when it comes to taking certain hits, like earthquake/rockslide from chomp/gigalith
You want a nature that boosts attack, either brave or adamant with some speed to outspeed other, slower trick room mons. Gigalith again is something to be wary of since it outslows everything on your team and can oneshot half of it. Bold on pelipper is also weird, the standard is sash so it can reliably set up tailwind, which would be beneficial so you can have a fast and slow mode, but there's a lot of things wrong with the team just by looking at it first glance. Bold and then SPD investment, for instance.

regionals in 3 days, still blank on what team/ideas to use.

>>31793885
I don't remember exactly, but I've seen people who were at least mid 1600s with gimmicks.

>>31793953
Or with pheromosa.

>>31794129
So on Pelipper, I gave it Bold and SPD investment because I figured that the 10% it gained in Def would mean that I could put more EVs into SPD. I guess that I could take off some SPD EVs and put it into Def if you want to give me some suggestions.

I didn't really want to put Tailwind because that what I have a speedy physical and a speedy special Pokemon that I choose depending on the opponents team for.

I unfortunately already have to live with the Impish Marowak for now, but I can start looking into breeding a new one.

New to VGC, so I don't really know the checks and counters to the major threats like Porygon2 and A-Muk. Either way, what should I add/remove to this team so far?

Xurkitree @ Choice Scarf
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ice]
- Energy Ball
- Dazzling Gleam

Tapu Koko @ Expert Belt
Ability: Electric Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Discharge
- Dazzling Gleam
- Grass Knot
- Hidden Power [Ice]

Garchomp @ Groundium Z
Ability: Rough Skin
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Earthquake
- Fire Fang
- Poison Jab
- Protect

Kartana @ Assault Vest
Ability: Beast Boost
EVs: 92 HP / 164 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Smart Strike
- Sacred Sword
- Night Slash

Has anyone been getting disconnected more lately? After Tuesday's maintenance, I haven't been able to go through at least 3 games without getting disconnected.

Heya, this team has given me a ton of success, but I want you guys to critique it anyways!

Top Lel @ Choice Scarf
Timid
4 HP, 252 Sp Atk, 252 Speed
Dazzling Gleam
Psychic
Thunderbolt
Energy Ball

Gastrodon @ Leftovers
Relaxed
Storm Drain
252 HP 252 Def 4 Sp Atk
Scald
Ice Beam
Protect
Recover

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Lightning Rod
EVs: 248 HP / 16 Atk / 112 SpD / 132 Spe (EV spread by Jaguar360)
Adamant Nature
- Shadow Bone
- Flare Blitz
- Bonemarang
- Will-O-Wisp

Garchomp @ Groundium Z
Rough Skin
Jolly
Earthquake
Dragon Claw
Iron Head
Rock Slide

Muk @ Black Sludge
Adamant
252 Hp 252 Atk 4 Def (correct me if I'm wrong Chris)
Poison Touch (so clutch)
Shadow Sneak
Gunk Shot
Poison Jab
Knock Off

Celesteela @ Aguav Berry
Sassy
252 Hp/4 Def/252 Sp Def
Flamethrower
Leech Seed
Protect
Heavy Slam

Main Strategy is Water and Electric Redirect, this often shuts down many rain teams and Top Keks/Xurkitrees. Some of Lele's non STAB moves were added because I realized I didn't have a reliable way of dealing with other Gastrodon, or any Water types in General. Ice Beam is nice because it brings Garchomp down to 91%ish and some people don't expect it. Muk's there to be annoying and kill Fairies and Ghosts, Chomp's my Sweeper, and Celesteela is also there to be annoying.

>>31797318
I don't know who Jaguar360 is, but the spread he gave you wastes a lot of EVs (12, to be exact, which can sometimes make a big difference).

Timid + Scarf Lele is overkill; you don't need to outspeed everything by 10+ points.

Poison Jab > Iron Head on Chomp. Also, you need Protect in there. Maybe replace Rock Slide with it.

Poison Jab >>>>>>>>>>> Gunk Shot on Muk. Most of the time you don't need the extra power, and having that big of a chance to miss is really bad in VGC. This one also needs Protect, especially since it's so slow. Get rid of Gunk Shot for it.

Can't see any other glaring issues. The team lacks offense for my tastes, but that isn't really a bad thing, most of the time anyway.

>>31792990
Thanks a lot fampai

>>31793676
>>31793720
That's what happens when you have a restricted format where your options are incredibly limited, all archetypes are crippled and speed control is non-existent. The same thing happened in 14 except this time is 100 time worse because Alolan shitmons have the most barren movepools in existence.

Get accustomed to it or start running hard Trick Room.

>>31797433
Good points, especially with the Protects. I noticed other Muk and Garchomp I faced this week had protect as well.

I noticed from last gen, I liked to play it defensively, with some Offensive Presence and Stall Warriors if need be.

But yea, thanks for the feedback!

>>31792990
So I slap Taunt on Fini and swap either Mudsdale or Wak with trick room P2, how's that

>>31797576
Yeah, that's why we only see one team composition in every event, right?

>>31797647
Tell me about the massive amount of trick roomers, tailwinders, icy winders, sun abusers, rain abusers, sand abusers, funnily enough this the most varied hail has ever been though I kinda miss hailroom, thunder wave control, perish trapping, and other staples and what-not I'm probably forgetting about right now that are in VGC16.

>that's why we only see one team composition in every event
Actually, we do. 90% of the time we only see good-stuffs or balance. Just because we don't see the same 6 Pokemon doesn't mean the team composition is not the same.

I'm new to competitive pokemon anything and I'm putting together a battle spot doubles team to test out. So far I've only decided on some pokemon roughly for type coverage and roles,

Lele/Gyarados/Arcanine/Metagross

I'm debating what the last two to use are. I'm thinking something that'd be able to cover for the oponent using trick room or my own way of setting speed, but I'm not really sure. Should I also bring something tankier along?

>>31798705
Arcanine is tanky, metagross is a weird one that I don't see people bringing that often unless he's choice banded or something. the common end to that team would probably be porygon2 and chomp.
You can probably stop trick room from being set up by putting taunt on lele or just reverse it with p2

It's either calm mind or taunt on Fini, right? Or is Protect needed

>>31798737
I was mostly thinking Metagross as something to pair well with Tapu Lele, the boosted psychic type damage and having a steel type around. I could probably use something else instead. Maybe Muk or a UB?

>>31798809
i guess you could run both

>>31797576
14 was decent because you at least had a largish pool to choose from and it had a very good priority game going on.

Aloladex is a fucking joke both in terms of choice/options and also mechanically. People like to say this is Gen 5 but it's not, they've devolved the gameplay into a Gen 2 style shitfest where speed is absolute and status means shit all.

Terrains are beyond overpowered and this meta seems to enjoy rewarding greedy players more than anything.

>>31797693
If we aren't seeing the same 6 Pokemon on every team, it means there is enough options for many roles. Sure, super one dimensional roles like the ones you mentioned are rare, but other than those, there are plenty of options to choose from. Also, it's been a while since I've seen a team of just good stuffs doing good in a tournament.

Man I love Araquanid. Spiderbro hits like a fucking truck and can tank some good special hits. Is there a more based mon this gen?

What if they used a Smogon tier system for VGC?

>>31802069
well, then VGC would become like smogon

did you really need the answer for that shit-question?

>>31802069
There was a Battle Spot Special metagame last gen where they banned the top 12 most used Pokémon of the previous season's Doubles metagame. It ended up being really, really fun (although Politoed, Ludicolo, Kingdra and Metagross all narrowly avoided the top 12 so it became very rain-focused)

A constant feature like that could be really interesting, although it'd be difficult to balance if it's just done based on facts and stats instead of personal experiences.

>>31800741
But Gen 2 didn't have double battles. Did you actually play VGC in 5th gen?

>>31802422
That was super poorly done though, since they took the stats from every online competition + the ladders, even the Pikachu cup, so things like Luxray ended up being banned for no reason.

>>31801922
In terms of new Pokémon? Maybe not. I love Mimikyu but it's kind of a jack of all trades (reasonably bulky, reasonably fast, reasonably powerful, reasonable support movepool, but not exceptional at anything) so it ends up being pretty unexciting to play.
Magnezone, Goodra, Snorlax, Whimsicott, Porygon-Z and Krookodile are all Pokémon I've found really fun to play this year, because of suiting the metagame or just not being outclassed by CHALK.

>>31802456
Good job missing his whole point.

Or made you did notice it but preferred to be a smartass rather than address it because you are unable to.

>>31800741
>People like to say this is Gen 5 but it's not, they've devolved the gameplay into a Gen 2 style shitfest where speed is absolute and status means shit all.
Even OU Singles is like this right now. Lele and Fini have completely killed entire playstyles with their ever presence. It's really fucking disgusting and what's most disgusting of it all is how people deny they are a problem because of how deeply entrenched the hurr genies meme has been ingrained into them.

Clefairy @ Eviolite
Ability: Friend Guard
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Sassy Nature
IVs: 0 Atk / 0 Spe
- Follow Me
- Moonblast
- Protect
- After You

Tapu Lele @ Psychium Z
Ability: Psychic Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Moonblast
- Psychic
- Thunderbolt
- Protect

Gyarados @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 Def / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Dance
- Taunt
- Waterfall
- Protect

Kartana @ Life Orb
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Swords Dance
- Leaf Blade
- Smart Strike
- Sacred Sword

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Shadow Bone
- Flare Blitz
- Protect
- Bonemerang

Pelipper @ Focus Sash
Ability: Drizzle
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Hurricane
- Tailwind
- Wide Guard

Any advice I'm thinking of Modest instead of timid Tapu, but I'm not sure. I like it timid because it can both kill bulky arcanine with Z-psychic and outspeed and kill offensive arcanine as well (they run adamant pretty often).

Marowak is needed because of the electric weakness, but I'm not sure about Kartana.
I feel like it fits, but I don't know.

>>31804613
Timid Lele is fine, especiall since you're running Psychium Z.

Swords Dance on Kartana is... absurdly overkill. I'd give it Assault Vest with these EVs since you're already using your Sash on Pelipper:

84 HP / 4 Atk / 4 Def / 164 SpD / 252 Spe

Now that the Life Orb is free, you can put it on Gyarados if you want. I think it KOs Arcanine at neutral attack with Waterfall and not many people expect it.

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Wasn't there a website or something where you could put your battle video code and it would generate it or I imagined it?

>>31805176
It was pokecheck, site doesn't work anymore i think

>>31805317

Really? That's sad, just a week or two ago someone replayed for me a sun battle in browser

It looks weird without shaders but better than nothing

>>31805437
Unless there's some new service I'm unfamiliar with, that was probably a recording of a battle video using Citra, a 3DS emulator.

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>I win a match
>I lost the next match
>repeat forever
>never go up or down the ladder

>>31804746
AV sounds fun on Kartana, thanks anon.
What should I use on my 4th move? Night slash? Razor leaf?

Also I'm not sure about taunt or ice fang on Gyarados, but I suppose that if switch the berry out for life orb I'm supposed to give him ice fang, isn't it?
I like taunt because it helps me against trick room teams and defensive pokemon. Also I can taunt something I can't damage as Gyarados so someone else can kill it as it won't be able to use protection (for example gastrodon, which without protection it's free food for Kartana, and same with Milotic).

STILL CANT DECIDE ON A TEAM HELP

I'm trying to hard to use Eevee teams, but Kartana is just the most annoying cockblock in the universe.

I fucking hate Kartana, it's stupid Sacred Sword and it's dumb Focus Sash.

Fuck you Kartana. You dumb piece of shit.

>>31807410
Garchomp/koko/celesteela/marowak/porygon2/gyarados

>>31807350
Night Slash, yeah. Taunt vs Ice Fang is ultimately your choice. Heck, if you aren't using Thunderbolt with Lele that much, Taunt wouldn't be a bad idea on it, giving you room for Ice Fang on Gyarados. Try out the different options on Showdown to see which one you feel it's the best for you.

Good luck.

>>31807483
Taunt lele sounds like a good idea. I dont use thunderbolt that often and most of the times I would want to use it I have marowak out and can't do it.

Jeez, I've been having a lot of issues with lele recently. I swapped in hariyama to replace alolan marowak because I was seeing tons of snorlaxes, but now I'm seeing a lele on every team.
I'm thinking about replacing vikavolt, can anyone give me advice?
http://pastebin.com/agP6Ucw3

Vikavolt already has the same stab as porygon2. I was using scarfchomp to surprised tapus but lele and fini don't give a fuck about taking a poison jab.

Hariyama isn't on there but it's just an assault vest set, something like 36/252/1xx/o/1xx/o

>>31809469
Oh jeez, my typing today is off. Ignore the normalium Z and the comment about stab, they just have the same coverage is what I mean. Normalium z was just something I was testing since a lot of people like to switch in fini or gastrodon onto gyarados.

bump you worthless fucks

people in charge of talking about the game

Wolfe streaming if you want something to watch

I have a feeling someone will win a big tournament with Bold Lele and then that will become the meta. Dunno why.

http://pokemon.onog.gg/

>sponsorship
something something esports

Anyone wanna join in a friendly competition ? Use VGC 17 rules to practice for the upcoming international challenge

https://3ds.pokemon-gl.com/friendlycompetitions/internet/FI-E1716-C260/

>>31815383
How do those work? Like the normal online competitions? i.e. like a ladder?

>>31815588
Seems like it, I really dunno since it's also my first time

I have been trying AV Kartana and this thing isn't working. A Kartana without fully invested attack is just a bad scizor.


Can someone tell me a better set for Kartana?

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>>31733164
>posted - 7 days ago
real lively general you got there

>>31815286
Wait what? Who is aDrive? Haven't heard of him before.

>>31816976
Popular streamer, dunno how good he is at battling though

>>31807350
I also run taunt in Gyarados, but you might want to consider Z bounce, one of my friends said it was far more successful than he expected in his Lele team.

I know this might sound like blasphemy but lo focus blast lele is unironically good if it connects, I'm starting to love LO Lele, everyone just assumes it is scarfed or Zstoned but then eat the LO Moonblast/Focus miss and pay the price, I stopped running Tbolt as it wasn't enough vs Muk nor was netting me the kill range on steel types not named Celestela.

>>31818351
Bounce is illegal on Battle Spot and most IRL events though. You can only use it on Showdown.

>>31818428
there's a bounce magikarp event you retard

>>31802069
Then VGC would be watchable for once. Boring ass format needs tiers... No one wants to see the same 10 mons.

>>31818742
Which is banned on Battle Spot and most events, retard.

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>>31818902
lel you fell for it

Quick question since I can't find an answer anywhere else.

Does Tailwind actually slow you down during Trick Room? Let's say I have TR up with an Araquanid and Pelliper on the field. Araquanid goes first because he's the slowest on the field, or fastest during Trick Room. Would using Tailwind "slow" him down?

>>31819084
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Does+Tailwind+actually+slow+you+down+during+Trick+Room

>>31819084
If you have trick room and tailwind up at the same time I have no idea what you're doing. Your team would have its speed doubled by tailwind, so you'd be slower in trick room since normally you'd outspeed other mons. Trick room doesn't change the speed of your mons, just the turn order in which they move based on their speed.

>>31819124
That's what I had figured. I just meant say in the dwindling turns of TR, setting tailwind up or vice versa. I plan on running Tailwind pelli with TR Pory2

Thanks.

>>31819164
Ooph. Phone posting.

Obviously not on the field or set up at the same time, but on the same 6man crew.

>>31816330
Either focus sash or fall for the scarf meme
How people thought AV on a pokemon with base 31 sdef was not a joke is beyond me

>>31820100
>How people thought AV on a pokemon with base 31 sdef was not a joke is beyond me

works pretty well for me

just don't invest in attack and it will still do a ton of damage

Is CB Kartana better than a meme, or should I just Sash?

Trying to think if I can run Jolly CB with some defensive investment, but I don't know if there's much of a point.

>>31819164

Setting up Tailwind on the last turn of Trick Room is usually a decent play, since turn order is already decided by the time you set it up.

>>31821077
Scarf > Band in terms of memes.

What's the most common monsters used to set up TR in the new gen?
Also does anyone use a Dhelmise? It seems like a good counter against the Tapu's and Milotic, as well as having some good coverage against guys like Gigalith and Garchomp.

snatch salazzle is the new meme

>>31821182
porygon2, oranguru, nihilego, mimikyu

Made a viable competitive team with all 6 mons having different balls. Shit's so cash.

Who else /autistic/ here?

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>>31821288

>>31809469
Anyone?

>>31821182
i'm in the 1700s on BS with Garchomp/Fini/Arcanine/P2/Gigalith/Dhelmise rn, shit works well

want me to post my dhelmise set?

>>31821884
>want me to post my dhelmise set?
not that anon but I'd like to see it

>that fourth most used item on oranguru from the battle spot stats

>>31822899
why

Is there a better option than Golduck if I want to use a rain abuser this season? I've been running rain for the past week and I feel like Golduck is easily the least used mon on my team.

>>31823225
the other swift swimmers are Poliwrath, Seaking, Relicanth and Carracosta.
The only one of those that has seen some use, to my knowledge, is Relicanth. It's pretty physicaly bulky and in Rain it's decently fast, but it's not very strong, and the support movepool is barren compared to Golduck's.

>>31822899
scarf is truely the worst item ever made

>>31823504
Should I just give up on running rain this gen then? Or is it better to just not have a Swift Swim user?

>>31824019
What are you running on Golduck? I found it pretty good, but I was running it months ago when people might not have found proper counters yet.
Waterium-Z KOs most things.

>>31824019
Rain needs Swift Swim, it's the only reason to use it

If you aren't comfortable using Golduck then I wouldn't bother with rain teams

>>31824403
Standard set, I feel like it's never worth bringing over other mons with the abundance of Kartana's running around and stuff.

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Why aren't you using goodra, anons?

>At 1500 on Battle Spot
>Beat Somebody at 1520
>Lose to somebody at 1650
>End up below 1500

I know rating systems are all inherently flawed and either biased towards playing more games or playing fewer games, but surely that should logically increase my ranking? It seems the only way to actually rank is to farm wins from people way below your skill level

>>31826053
He's shit.

>>31826053
Doesn't have enough of an offensive presence for my playstyle. I know it has amazing damage calcs, between surviving every thread and outdamaging most opponents, but it just doesn't get enough OHKOs or have the support options to troll opponents enough.

Admittedly, I feel the same way about Mimikyu, and I'm using that, but Mimikyu is cuter and has things like Will-O-Wisp, Curse, Destiny Bond, Taunt, Trick Room and Psych Up to make it fun to use.

>>31821962
Dhelmise @ Assault Vest
Ability: Steelworker
Level: 50
EVs: 20 HP / 228 Atk / 252 Def
Brave Nature
IVs: 0 Spe
- Power Whip
- Phantom Force
- Anchor Shot
- Earthquake

the EVs let it live one Muk knock off

feel free to replace earthquake with something else

>>31826053
rain and bulu are so uncommon now that it's not a good meta call anymore

>>31826184
why anchor shot and not gyroball?

>>31826187
It has good matchups with much of the rest of the meta.

This is the set I use:

Goodra @ Assault Vest
Ability: Sap Sipper
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 164 Def / 52 SpA / 36 SpD / 4 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Dragon Pulse
- Thunderbolt
- Flamethrower
- Sludge Bomb

It avoids getting OHKO'd by chomp's tectonic rage and 2HKO'd by 252 kartana smart strike, and also survives two 252+ lele moonblasts. Koko's dazzling gleam is a 5HKO.

Arcanine can't really do very much to it at all -- even banded 252+ blitz only does around 30%.
Fini's moonblast 4HKO's while you 3HKO back.
You have enough SpA investment to always OHKO 4/0 gyara with tbolt.
Koko can't do shit back and you 2HKO with sludge bomb.
You also 2HKO lele back.

It's a great bulky pivot.

>>31762321
>>31762373
If you're still around I'd like to know if it is Adamant.

>>31826428
Do you get much use out of dragon pulse? I've thought about running goodra with feint.

>>31826670
It's good consistent damage for things you aren't hitting super effectively, like muk and marowak. Draco meteor is also an option if you're gonna be switching g.oodra in and out a lot.

Don't use muddy water, it's bad.

I'm not too keen on feint because you aren't taking advantage of good.ra's huge movepool. If it isn't hitting things SE, its damage is pretty meh.

>>31826392
wait dhelmise gets gyro ball? i'll have to try it, but i still enjoy anchor shot because it traps the opponent and gets all the KOs you need without relying on speed

is anyone streaming anaheim today?

>>31826928
twitch/nuggetbridge

should start within an hour.

>>31826893
>>31826392
Pretty sure Anchor Shot is the better move in general.

For Gyro Ball to hit damage worth a shit you need to run Iron Ball though oh boy does it hit some pretty hillarious damage if you do.

>252+ Atk Dhelmise Gyro Ball (150 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 148-175 (80.8 - 95.6%)

>252+ Atk Choice Band Dhelmise Anchor Shot vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 119-140 (65 - 76.5%)

I think it still gets like 75BP against a optimized TR Pory2 because of how ridiculously slow Dhelmise can get. Still like I said it's not very useful with this whole meta being full of hard TR.

>>31826935
hasn't started yet.
chat there is wondering if it will.
>>31827076
how long are the rounds? is the first one over yet?
I know I shouldn't be antsy, but I totally am...
Going to portland in a month, I want to study the four regionals between now and then..

321 Masters is a pretty good turnout for a regional isn't it? Is Anaheim one of the larger ones?

>>31828144
Yes on both questions
Southern California usually pulls well

stream is up again

twitch/nuggetbridge

what is the current standard set for P2?

>>31828432
I thought this was an US tournament? What the fuck is up with those names?

>>31828476
Oh, I bet he's talking about a Jewish-sounding name like Ezrael or a chinese-sounding name like Zheng
>Jirawiwat Thitasiri
Huh

>>31828557
He's apparently an immigrant from Thailand.

you have been visited by

THE ICE-COLD TRICK ROOM DUCK

tri-attack/ice beam freezes and speed control will come to you, but only if you reply 'thank you cyber duck' to this post

>>31828565
Taiwan*

But yeah, the west coast has a lot of asian immigrants

>>31828598
thank you cyber duck

>Long awkward silence
>Gabby looks excited to be in southern California
>Adam looks like he's recovering from a cocaine hangover.

>>31828657
He's from Thailand

>>31828598
thank you cyber duck

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what the fuck

>>31829889
This guy likes his meme teams, what the hell does Flygon do

>>31829961
it floats

>match ruined by a freeze
>didn't get to see Flygon
well then

>>31829961
well it hits scarf chomp
but that's pretty much it.

>>31826187
rain is still pretty common but gyarados wrecks it so hard that you dont need a mon like goodra

>>31830204
what exactly does gyarados do against rain?

>>31830271
Tanks the Golduck's Water-Z, DDances, then can sweep them.

Basically to get Good Tapus and UBs I need to keep soft resetting for Nature right?
Other than that the only determinate factor is how I EV train them? Can someone explain to me the new IV training mechanic in this game? All I've been doing is EV training with the Bands and stuff.

>shreyas radhakrishna

>>31830519
Get them to 100 then Bottle Cap whatever stats you need to be perfect.
EV training is as normal, but you can use the Pelago to train instantly with the Pelago Time Travel glitch (just find it on YT).

the only important thing for your mons are natures.

>>31830519
you'll want either HP ice or fire on koko

>>31830608
you dont need HP on Koko, and that's a huge fucking waste of time. The only people that have the right HP on legendaries, esp Koko, are people that hack. You literally have a better chance of winning the powerball than you do rolling the correct HP, ESPECIALLY on Koko, where it's like 10 goddamn minutes for each fucking encounter with him.

>>31830671
Getting the right hidden power does not take long with hyper training

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>>31830671
>where it's like 10 goddamn minutes for each fucking encounter with him
way to show how fucking clueless you are holy shit

>>31830704
>do the stupid cutscene
>capture koko
>go to ranch
>check hp
>soft reset
>repeat

>>31830736
>cutscene
>ranch
jesus fucking christ

keep a spare slot in your party and an IV checker on hand and you can check its HP as soon as you finished chucking a master ball at it

>>31830736
>kill koko
>go battle it the post game without the bullshit

>>31830758
just inject it

>>31830758
post game koko has cutscene too, it's about a minute just in that cutscene
>>31830751
still a waste of fucking time
just inject it like everybody else.

>>31830809
go home verlis

>>31830820
im not a dogfucker, I have standards.

>>31830758
>>31830799

>>31829889
did he won?

>>31830907
lost game 3 due to a turn 1 freeze from blizzard

>>31830921
and did he use based flygon?

>>31830933
>fini
>kartana
>ninetales

>is this a good flygon matchup?
what do you think, anon

>>31830943
>is this a good flygon matchup?

But I did not ask that, anon.

>>31831001
He did not use flygon.

>>31830943
Flygon gets Fire Blast/Flamethrower for Kartana though.

252 SpA Flygon Flamethrower vs. 84 HP / 164 SpD Assault Vest Kartana: 168-200 (115.8 - 137.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

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Migrate whenever:

>>31831182
>>31831182
>>31831182
>>31831182

>>31831189
I missed you.

>>31831231
Thanks man. I stopped doing these threads because two of them died without reaching bump limit, so I thought these threads were ded.