/vgcg/ - VGC General

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>Start running Bulu to kill all those annoying Finis
>She's faster so she always takes a good chunk from Bulu before going down
>Grassy does fuck all to annoy her because she doesn't care about her terrain
I hate that whore

Tell me how to kill her /vgcg/

Should I run fast Bulu? Scarf' Or just enough speed to outspeed her?

>>31317525
>drop bulu
>run kartana
>???

>run AV Kartana
>wish I had Sash

>run Sash Kartana
>wish I had AV

For such a good Pokemon, why does Kartana seem so underwhelming to use?

>>31317525
>She's faster so she always takes a good chunk from Bulu before going down

Horn leech?

>>31317550
Such is glass cannon life.

And it's more like gun than cannon because lol 90BP move as strongest move.

>>31317550
I don't like AV Kartana, maybe it's just my playstyle, but I always find myself wanting Protect on it. Also the 4th move isn't very useful

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>>31317435
>nog steeds geen regio gebaseerd op Nederland

>>31317543
I can't drop Bulu without pretty much making a new team. I really really need my grassy terrain.

>>31317602

I started out with AV Kartana and didn't really use the fourth move either, plus I just auto-lost the mirror so I switched to Sash.

Of course, I prefer to make a lot of switches, so I end up either having to lead with Kartana or sacrifice something to get it in, which doesn't really jive with my playstyle. Really wish there was another Pokemon that better gelled with my team. Seems like it's more or less there because it looks good on paper.

End this sentence:
>TAPU

>>31317868
Bulu is my favorite.

>>31317946
Why is it your favorite anon?

does nilhego ohko most arcanines?

>>31317962
Only with Life Orb. Without it, you won't KO bulky variants, and against the offensive ones, you have like an 80%.

>>31317962
252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Arcanine: 114-134 (57.8 - 68%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine: 164-194 (83.2 - 98.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 252+ SpD Arcanine: 148-174 (75.1 - 88.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

252 SpA Life Orb Nihilego Power Gem vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Arcanine: 213-252 (108.1 - 127.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>>31317981
that fucking dog is unkillable what the fuck

>>31318003
The wonder of a metagame where over half the Pokemon allowed are crippled one way or another.

The restriction breeds creativity meme doesn't work when you are smothering something rather than just gently covering it.

>>31317435
this shit annoys me so fucking much
it's always the same fucking team

>>31318143
gr8 b8

>>31318143
?

>>31318143
I was wondering what took so long for faggots like you to start appearing considering the OP pic.

Can we please stop using tops as the OP pic so as to avoid bringing in shitposters? Thank you.

>>31318177
It can be a top 8 with 48 different Pokemon and shitposters will still shitpost.

>>31317550
I run Choice Band Kartana and it 1 hit KO's almost everything with Leaf Blade, Smart Strike, Sacred Sword and X Scissor, it has a HUGE power

>>31317952
Because WOODU HAMMERU

>>31318207
fuck off

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>>31317435
Garchomp ban when? I'm sick of seeing it's ugly as fuck face plastered in half of all competitive teams in every format that allows it's use.

>>31318269
>I'm too retarded to run ice or fairy moves on my team

>>31318269
this is not like smogon newfag
in VGC, there are no "bans" caused by a pokémon being overused

>>31318298
non shitty format without garchomp when then?

>>31318311
Any VGC format when Landorus-T is allowed :^)

>>31318311
when landorus-t and friends are allowed

http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-2017-viability-rankings.3591794/

>>31318311
>he can't deal with Garchomp
what a cuck

>>31318269

I'd much rather see Garchomp than Landorus.

>>31318298
smogon doesn't work like that either. only tiers are determined by usage, bans are determined by a questionable voting process

>>31318375
>Vikavolt is A
>Bulu is B
I can maybe understand Bulu, but why Vikavolt so high?

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>>31318375
>Vikavolt and Gengar
>A

>Mandibuzz
>B+

>Bulu
>B

Goddamn. That list is shit.

>>31318418
>smogon doesn't work like that
>bans are determined by a questionable voting process

And why do you think people vote certain Pokémon?
The people voting for a ban in smogon literally sound like this >>31318269
Which brings me back to my original point >>31318298

How are people running Arcanine nowadays? Has Burn Up helped it?

>>31318375
>No Gyarados
>No Raichu
>No Togedemaru
>No Liligant
>No Oranguru

>>31318440
>>31318494
>smogon

Well, of course.

Predict what kind of shitty FOTM Pokemon will take over the meta after Vikavolt goes out of fashion.

My vote goes to Kommo-O.

>>31317525
>>31317629
Are you me? I was posting about this shit last thread.

>>31318407
Fucking this

>>31318476
Landorus-T has the highest usage, yet isn't banned. There are some other examples of things that are widly used yet they remain unbanned. The ban system cares about 'unbalancedness' or 'brokenness', not usage. Sure, if something is broken it will most likely be very used therefore making it obvious that it is broken, but that doesn't mean it's based on usage.

>>31318546
Have you managed to find a fix for the Fini/Bulu issue? What have you tried so far?

>Incineroar is the perfect fit for the hole my team has
>Intimidate is still not released

>>31317435
Are the Tapu the new version of "Genies of a healthy meta"?

>>31317525
Horn Leech if you want to keep HP intact or Wood Hammer + enough speed to beat 8 speed Fini.

Seriously, if you ever used a Fini you'd know it has a very predictable spread as you can't afford to run anything in speed besides the bare minimum because EVERYTHING needs to go into bulk + s.atk.

Bulu is one of these things which can afford to do something stupid like double grass STAB because it doesn't have much better to do. It's either balls to the wall nuking with Wood Hammer or the occasional Nature Madness for Celesteela's because Rock Slide does fuck all.

>>31318544
Not unless someone wins a major tournament with one and with the way everyone and their mother runs Dazzling Gleam or Psychic it has no chance.

>>31318768
No because they don't look like shit and don't outclass literally every single Pokemon that share their typing.

>>31318768

For the most part, you can't just slap the Tapus on a team and just outstat and ability everything. They all have clearly defined niches and uses, and while very strong aren't so strong that you have to use one on every team.

>be struggling, can't find a comfortable team
>start using a Fini/Arcanine/Kartana team
>get wins
es good

>>31318880
>Grass/Water/Fire core with three of the best Pokemon in the format turns out to be good
Wooooow

>>31318892
That's what I'm saying, that core is everywhere and now I realize why

>>31318870
>>31318790
Fair enough. I've just seen a Tapu on almost every competitive team (generally Koko or Lele) and was wondering if it was Lando-T and Thundurus all over again. I know the meta's still developing and settling down but the prevelance of terrains is just startling

>>31318912
>I know the meta's still developing and settling down but the prevelance of terrains is just startling

They are 570BST Pokemon with a god-tier ability and with the arguably best type of the game. The cherry on top being that VGC17 is a format where 3/4 of the dex is banned so they have less competition to worry about.

No shit they are gonna be everywhere. They are excellent Pokemon.

>Wondering why am I not getting all the KOs I should be getting
>Turns out that Showdown made my set Jolly instead of Adamant thanks to the sets suggestion crap it has
Holy shit, what an annoying thing.

I specially hate when it makes my Pokemon atk IV 0 for no reason at all. It has happened with things that have overwhelmingly superior atk over sp atk too.

>>31318912
They are very good, but they are somewhat easy to deal with, and don't provide a genie-tier support to the rest of the team, making them less obnoxious than them. Not like I haveanything against the genies besides their looks.
But yeah, with Landorus around there's really no reason to use any other ground type, while there are still some viable Electric, Grass, Water, Psychic and Fairy choices, depending on the team.

>>31318605
Not yet, haven't played much Showdown lately. If I do, I'll let you know.

>>31318745
what's your team? I was thinking to make a team for intimidate inineroar but I don't come up with anything gud

>>31318375
Interesting to see Bulu so low.

That's the most troublesome Tapu after Fini in my experience.

>>31317435
are midseason showdowns worth it? can I get to worlds by winning every PC / showdown?

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>Using Togedemaru
>2hko'ed a Fini
Holy shit this squirrel hits hard

>tfw Sitrus' recovery feels minimal and shitty after seeing Figy/Muk/Snorlax everywhere and want to use the stupid 50% berries on other Pokemon who don't have Gluttory
Good idea or bad idea?

>>31319867
Was that with Wild Charge or Zing Zap?

>>31320028
Zing Zap.

>>31319867
Honestly what I hate the most about that fucking squirrel, bad enough it's near impossible to escape the inevitable paralysis/flinch shenanigans. But it also has to hit like a truck too?

>>31319867
>>31320741
>squirrel
It's a hedgehog.

Pachirisu is the squirrel.

>>31320741
It has base 98 atk after all. It's not amazing, but it's pretty big for a mostly support Pokemon.

>>31320741
>hit like a truck too
>98 base attack and best attacking move is 90 power
let's not get carried away, shall we.

>>31320798
Yeah that is kind of the point.

It sounds like nothing but when it's dishing out untauntable 100% paralysis and that fucking flinch rate plus the inevitable Fake Out. Even decent damage feels like a lot when you're being stripped of your turn on a regular basis.

Go for it and you always have to take into account it's partner, possible Spiky Shields or Encores and it becomes a royal fucking bitch of a support who unlike most can actually do damage.

>>31321048
what set do you sue on him ?
do you use him with like Gyara do get fake out + lightningrod support for reliable setups ?

>>31317525
Bulu is amazing in dedicated trick room teams. Protect, wood hammer/horn leech, sub/swords dance, rock slide/brick break/smart strike. And he wins the terrain war. Pair it with Comfey (floral healing, helping hand, trick room)

>>31322319
Y'know, when I first made my team, it had Bulu+Comfey. But Comfey seemed like dead weight, I never found myself wanting to bring it. Man, I wish Incineroar had its HA, I'd make a TR team in a heartbeat.

>>31322405
Helping hand dazzling gleam any of the tapus, but especially lele. Hyper voice drampa and ha sylveon. (Drampa variant struggles with Mimikyu mind you, my thoughts don't bring it that battle.)

FINISH THIS SENTENCE:
>TAPU

So how viable actually is Alola-Muk with Minimize? Is it a meme?

>>31323646
If you for some reason don't want to run Taunt, Shadow Sneak or even Protect, you might as well use the slot for it. It's not consistent, but when it works, it can save your ass. It's not as viable anymore though, because of Kartana walling you completely and being able to always hit with Smart Strike.

>>31318269
>garchomp being anywhere near broken with tapus of healthy meta around
this is what happens when people who haven't played any games start commenting on meta. many such cases

>>31323646
It's dead.
You really want Taunt now to stop Fini and Porygon2 so go with that

Someone give me a team I can use to beat the shitters in the 1300. I can't stand losing anymore. HELP me get back to 1500. That's all I want.

>>31323856
just use the

>>31323856
This was shared here like 6 threads ago. I've been using (and slightly changing) it and it quickly got me into the 1550s on Showdown, and 1720s on BS. It might not be that good anymore though; I haven't tested it against the recent meta trends.

http://pastebin.com/tnRGSAgz

>>31323922
That's awesome advice, thank you so much

>captcha
Latina keck, funny thing I'm latino and I'm keking

>>31323939
Thank you, I'll try it.

>>31323856
Also, here's another one if you want. It's Ogloza's Fini team from his Patreon. Haven't tested it though:

http://pastebin.com/c3r0ZLvb

>>31324128
Thanks, I'll try this one too.

how do people get there teams ready for vgc? sometimes I don't think they legit breed and all that especially for hidden powers

>try to test out a new team on battle spot
>mega kanga

Wait what, those are allowed on ranked? RIP fun. At least I still won, Muk is OP.

>>31324525
everyone injects, even the top players

>>31324587
where can I get this service done lmfao

>>31324602
Look for Soundhax and you can do it yourself.

>>31324602
look up soundhax, it's retardedly easy to do it yourself, and it doesn't involve doing anything that might brick your system

>>31324640
>>31324654

wont judges dq you if they find that ur ds is modded? or someshit

>>31324128
This one's really good, but you might want to swap out Will-o-Wisp on Arcanine for coverage.

So I can't figure out the moves for a trick room primarina
The rest of my team is drampa, oranguru, and alolan marowak. It will have a life orb or specs but it gets so many moves. I want moonblast and I have 2 other multi-target moves but is it better than dazzling gleam in most cases? Should I run energy ball instead of ice beam because I'll have dragon and fire types covered by my other Pokemon, bulky water types are my biggest fear.

>>31324696
Homebrew doesn't mess with the system at all. All it does is load a file through an exploit that allows different things.

>>31324696
>bringing a modded 3DS to VGC

There's literally no way to tell your mons are hacked unless you do something retarded like beast ball Porygon or shiny tapus.

>>31324696
They cant even tell if you dont leave the homebrew icons on the dashboard.

Update is out. Z-Parting Shot finally got fixed.

>>31324757
OT being PKHex, repeated IDs, and shit like that

>>31324856
Fucking finally. Garfield, here I come!

>>31325167
>not naming your trainer PKHex

what is the common set for Pheromosa on Extreme Evoboost teams?

>>31322319
Would Comfey with Flower Veil to make Bulu immune to Intimidate and burns (Arcanine WoW mine a lot) be at all viable?

>>31325981
Sounds good on paper but I'm sure that most of the time you'd be wishing you had Triage instead.

Maybe if would be a good idea if Florges were allowed. You just reminded of this team from long ago that used that combination you are mentioning:

http://archive.is/gfTpm

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>When your team finally feels like it is, and it is working and you are winning more than you are losing

I'm going to a casual Pokemon meet up for vgc players. Does anyone mind passing me a few fun quirky teams to fuck with people?

What's wrong with my team? I got my ass handed to me by a Goodra and a Weavile.

http://pastebin.com/FHpfCuJM

>>31328685
hard TR should have hariyama

how do i into vgc? i've never played the format and my singles knowledge is not even that advanced.

http://trainertower.com/usage-stats/

Wew

Trainertower is really blowing the fuck out of Nuggetbridge with every passing day

How will they ever recover?

>>31319867
>>31320741
Also, Spikey Shield is a nice meme

Fuck your sash Kartana, you stupid bitch.

>>31329514
>running non-av kartana
baka desu senpai

>>31329523
>Actually running AV Kartana
How's it feel to be a drone on the same tier as the kiddies who copy Cybertron's sets?

>>31329533
Yes, I'm sure not exploiting your 9 resists and getting OHKO'd by resisted special attacks is optimal.

>>31329575
You'll still be getting 2hko'ed by the slightest even if resisted special breeze while wearing vest.

Oh look, it's the same as with wearing sash. a 2hko. Except this time you can Protect your ass and not die like a bitch when you could have survived and have your partner kill whatever would have killed you.

Or wait, you won't be killing the shit you used to kill anymore because you decided to gimp your attack with useless sp def investment. Now the things you used to kill will survive and now kill you back instead! Ain't that great?

And for what? Oh, for Night Slash. I'm sure all those pesky Marowaks and uh, absolutely nothing else that matters, are super spooked now.

>>31324696
They do do a hack check during bigger events, but even then, there are rules on what they can and can't check -- they aren't allowed to press the home button on your 3ds, they can't check the contents of your ingame bag, and so on.

>>31329590

252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Kartana in Electric Terrain: 58-70 (43.2 - 52.2%) -- 13.7% chance to 2HKO
Then you guaranteed 2HKO back with smart strike.
Meanwhile...
252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana in Electric Terrain: 143-169 (106.7 - 126.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO
You still don't OHKO.
It also makes the matchup with Ninetales much better:
252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 0 SpD Kartana: 121-144 (90.2 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO (this is >80% after hail)
252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 0 HP / 252 SpD Assault Vest Kartana: 51-60 (38 - 44.7%) -- guaranteed 3HKO after hail damage

>>31326001
Where is this list from?

>>31329697
nobody uses 0/252 on AV sets you retard

>>31329728
Even if you run a lot of HP you still get much improved calcs
choosing something arbitrary
252 SpA Ninetales-Alola Blizzard vs. 104 HP / 148 SpD Assault Vest Kartana: 58-70 (42 - 50.7%) -- 44.1% chance to 2HKO after hail damage
+1 0 SpA Porygon2 Ice Beam vs. 104 HP / 148 SpD Assault Vest Kartana: 61-72 (44.2 - 52.1%) -- 15.2% chance to 2HKO
+1 0 SpA Porygon2 Ice Beam vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kartana: 122-144 (91 - 107.4%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO
252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Kartana in Electric Terrain: 107-126 (79.8 - 94%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 104 HP / 148 SpD Assault Vest Kartana in Electric Terrain: 54-63 (39.1 - 45.6%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

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>On the 1600+
>Three fights in a row with people running Guzzlord
What'd I miss?

>>31329523
>>31329533
>>31329575
>>31329590
If your Kartana is getting hit, you're doing it wrong. Kartana is even DESIGNED, visually, to tell you how to use it. It's a flimsy piece of steel paper. It's a paper cut. It can't take anything, but it can dish out massive pain.

>>31330730
>15 less HP at level 50 than Ferrothorn, same base Def of 131 and same typing
>Frail

Nigga what?

>>31329480
The best part is no forums.
Kinda looking like all nuggetbridge has left is npa and the major, and even then npa's kind of a joke.

>>31330926
>The best part is no forums.
ceding that to smogon isn't really a good thing, though.

>>31330993
Why is it not exactly?

>>31330840
It dies to neutral special hits

>>31330840
>Sp.Def: 31
This is why it's frail dipshit.

>>31331480
That's literally just Ice, Bug, and Ghost in this meta. And two of those are rather rare.

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>>31324757
Did that nigger even play the fucking game?

What sets do people use for Fini? Is there any point in using Scald because of Misty Terrain?

>>31331797
Scald has more circumstantial utility than surf. Even though you think because it has misty terrain you might as well go for more damage. It's always nice to have that burn chance.

>>31331810
>running surf over muddy water

>>31331818
I play singles

>>31331797
Specs.
CM.

That's about it.

>>31331830
Why are you in a thread about a format that is not Singles then?

>tfw you are in a bad position and keep wondering how the fuck you are gonna win and your opponent forfeits

>>31324128
>Assault vest Kartana
>Protect

>>31331830
>/vgcg/ - VGC General

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If I'm gonna be using Goodra, should I use a bulky or offensive Arcanine?

>>31328793
you'll get the hang of it by playing, so fuck around a bit in the vgc ladder

>>31332336
what?

Euro friends, American here, to start to get a look in on a scene I don't really know well please post which country you're from and who you consider the top players (5 or so, go longer if you wanna) from your country to be. I guess any up and coming playres to keep an eye out for would be nice too.
I'll try to find streamed/recorded games featuring them and generally look them up and such.

Everything VGC related I read just seems so American or Japanese centric.

>>31332301
Offensive will probably be better, Goodra actually lacks offense even at it's best it gets sponged easily. So having a nuke like Arcanine who can support it's weaker defense stat to boot would compliment it well.

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>Game starts
>Some random guy joins the room
>Is friend of the guy you are fighting with
>They start talking with one another, insulting you and generally being rude
>Win with a considerable lead and they leave the room after insulting me

>>31333819
>showdown

>>31333640
european it's the most boring VGC
japanese are crazy, and amerifats use mememons

europeans just like to play the same safe-play stall teams

>Make a team I feel comfortable with
>Except the 6th member who I never use and when I do he's a total dead-weight
How do you guys deal with this issue?

>>31335492
man I fucking know that feel

>>31335439
How about Koreans and Australians?

>>31317435
I honestly love this meta, even if I often lose because the teams I make can't check all the shit people come up with, it's very fun going to BS and local tournaments and see what people come up with.

It's like Elo Hell but with good players.

>>31319867
If you don't have other EQ weak pokémon, including togedamaru is a solid choice.

>Lighting rod
>Relatively fast
>Ok attack even if you run it bulky
>Fake out support
>Paraflinch shenanigans or z-poison to 1HKo tapus that aren't Fini

>>31319952
I run Bulkanine with guava and he's great

>>31335937
Fuck you

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I wanna run a Hail Team, preferably one with Alolatales. Any recomendations for a VGC newfag?

>>31335997
Don't run dedicated Hail. It's shit.

A-Ninetales is a good Pokemon though.

>>31335997
Don't use more than 1 ice pokémon, that ice pokémon must be Ninetales or scarf Vanilluxe.
Yeah.

>>31336015
So just run it like in Singles, as an Ninetales+5goodmons that get help from screens? Any recomendations on pokes I should use?

>>31336050
Specs Fini is the hottest meme.

>>31336050
Look at OP picture. There's two teams that should give you a general idea.

How do you transition from being a pretty good singles player to doing VGC? There's a tournament near me soon and I want to compete (I already took the day off work) and so I've been playing a lot of VGC on Showdown but I can't seem to make a good team. Pls don't rec youtube channels/vids.

>>31336101
hail team != snow warning mon + a non-hail team

>>31336153
See
>>31336015

>>31336132
First step: Don't make a team yourself. Even if it's frowned upon by some autists, taking someone else's team (with full spreads, of course) is the best way to learn the metagame and understand the mechanics a bit better, it may also boost your confidence levels since you're going to win if the team is good enough. It also makes you used to use certain Pokemon, and that will be useful when you're finally ready to craft a team of your own, since it will fit your playstyle.

>>31336132
literally read the op

>>31336101
I'm looking for something more specific than just a "general idea". I was already using something similar to team 5 in the op, but ended up being gimmicky(power of alchemy+slush rush aloslash was fun but stupid in hindsight) so I dropped it and came here to get more ideas, but all I see is thnat hail+goodstuff is the way to go.

>>31336211
Do you know of a good team to start with/good places to look for teams to use? Thanks so much.

>>31335439
europeans are the ones that bring the most weird anti-meta teams at world level, you never see stuff like jumpluff or breloom from americans

>>31336132
Pick a team that someone else uses. Go find the guys on the top of the Showdown ladder and look at their team. Watch replays.

Mimic the team, learn to mimic the plays, then find a counter to THAT team and start to think about shit from there.

>>31335492
Sounds like your other five are leaving a hole that can't be filled. You're probably better swapping your dead weight and one of your preferred mons for a better pair.

>>31336211
>>31336417
Not that guy, but what's the most generic team of six you can imagine? Is there a band of most-used mons (ala CHALK) that it would be best to familiarize myself with first? If I'm going to rip off a team, what 'mon would be best to have on that team to get used to them?

From what I've seen, it looks like the tapus are really common, plus Kartana, Arcanine, and Garchomp? Kind of basing this off the OP.

>>31335492
If you've really, really checked out every single possible pairing match-up with your 'dead weight' mon and the rest of your team, and I mean REALLY (and you probably haven't), then you should look at your team's core and maybe try and reassemble from there.

It's like when you're doing a rubiks cube and you've only got one square left, but it's wrong. You can't change that one square without going back a few steps first.

>>31336427
Wouldn't replacing one of the 5 that are working well together so far be counterproductive?

>>31336469
Fini/Kartana/Arcanine/Porygon 2/Garchomp/Muk is the hottest memeteam right now.

>>31336493
not if those five preclude the finding of a sixth. An almost complete solution with no path to completion isn't as good as a less complete solution that has a path to completion. You may have to backtrack.
Or, just see >>31336477

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>>31336469
Here's a pretty standard one. It's not THE standard, but it covers all the bases. You got your slow mons if you know you're facing Trick Room, some stall options, some sweep options, hard counters to Steel-typed threats like Kartana and opposing Celesteela, phys/spec sweeper options (give Garchomp Poison Jab for Tapus).

It's not perfect, but it'd do for a start, for you to get used to the meta.

>>31336633
>celesteela
>gastrodon
how's 2016 treating ya?

>>31336662
1561 elo. How's yours?

>>31336662
Celesteela is the shit. It's easily the best part of my team.

Also, Gastrodon is good for the abundance of Rain teams atm with Storm Drain.

>>31336272
Generally speaking, nothing says you can't use Blizzard on a non-Ice mon as well, it may not be your ideal of a 'Hail team'.

But Snow Warning mon + Fini w/ Blizzard is something you will actually regularly see and could constitute using your Hail too.

Also for the record Vanilluxe is the most successful Hail mon, it is literally a one trick pony but at the same time it does it's thing well and it stops you pulling stupid shit. Really it's the one time where being a mono Ice type is actually a blessing, x4 Steel weakness is what ruins Ninetales mainly.

>>31336469
>>31336558
What happened to Celesteela?

Is Fini with Taunt any good or should I just run Specs?

>>31336989
fini with taunt is fine

About to start soft-reseting for tapu lele and tapu fini. What's the preferred nature and hidden power for those two? Timid and HP Fire for both?

>>31336314
Late, but there are a couple teams posted here that are good for straters. Another place you might find them is Trainer Tower.

>>31337315
timid or modest for lele, modest, bold, or calm for fini. Fini usually runs bulk over speed.

How do I make this team better?
http://pastebin.com/0eReD4qn

For instance, Gastrodon's sole purpose is that I bring it if I think the other team is running rain. Marowak is the same, except it's for when I think they're running Trick Room. These Pokemon feel useless otherwise.

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Can anyone fucking register on the global link website? I can't even register my game sync i.d. Every time I try to login I get booted to the home screen.

>>31318418

The master of memes Trick Room is actually viable in doubles.

>>31338317
Try using another browser. I think the GL page has problems with Chromium-based ones (so Opera, Chrome and maybe others I'm forgetting).

>>31338423
I have tried IE, Firefox, and Chrome...No fucking why no one was able to reach the global mission goals.

>Assault Vest
>Aqua Jet
>Leech Life
>Wide Guard
Is Golisopod the new Conkeldurr?

I don't know how to analyze my losses. Like when I sit back and as myself "Why did I lose?" It always seems to be a different reason or a reason I can't pinpoint. I seem to be going about 50/50 on matches on Showdown.

>>31338693
Assault Vest
Wide guard
I'm lost here

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>>31338769
Same. I'm just sort-of bumbling through it. I don't feel like I know WHY I've won most of my matches, other than occasionally I go for some ridiculous play like Leech Seeding both remaining opponents and stalling them out with Celesteela, or my Stockpile Muk that works weirdly well.

Other than that, I've got no idea why I lose, unless it's some insanely specific strategy I wasn't even thinking of. Oricorio with Pheromosa and Quiver Dance as a start, for example.

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Hey guys I never comment on these things, but I really want to make my hail core with Ninetales and Sandslash because they're old Bros that are viable again, but I don't know hot to get their hidden abilities since they never call for help
I know it's possible because I saw someone on stream use a Ninetales with snow warning

>>31338972
:^)

>>31338972
get them to low health and use adrenaline orbs, that should make increase the chance to call for help

>>31339007
use a mon with intimidate too, that increases the chances

>>31339007
>>31339122
ty
I'll try both together
Krookodile should work right

>>31336702
What set are people running on Vanilluxe?

>>31339122
Wait, seriously? How does that work? Do you have source on that?

What do you guys think of my VGC team, I want to know if I can improve something or leave it like that, it's been working good for me

Tapu Koko @ Focus Sash
Ability: Electric Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 244 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Thunderbolt
- Dazzling Gleam
- Discharge
- Protect

Raichu-Alola @ Aloraichium Z
Ability: Surge Surfer
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Modest Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Psychic
- Fake Out
- Protect

Tapu Fini @ Choice Specs
Ability: Misty Surge
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Calm Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Scald
- Moonblast
- Muddy Water
- Dazzling Gleam

Garchomp @ Assault Vest
Ability: Rough Skin
Level: 50
EVs: 2 HP / 252 Atk / 4 Def / 70 SpD / 180 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Dragon Claw
- Earthquake
- Rock Slide
- Poison Jab

Arcanine @ Sitrus Berry
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Atk / 60 Def / 22 SpD / 170 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Snarl
- Protect
- Flare Blitz
- Will-O-Wisp

Kartana @ Choice Band
Ability: Beast Boost
Level: 50
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Leaf Blade
- Smart Strike
- X-Scissor
- Sacred Sword

>>31338803
Yeah I know. They're not meant to be used together.

I used to run a Conkeldurr with Wide Guard and Lum Berry in doubles.

>>31339237
Only thing I can think of off the top of my head.

Why do you have a Focus Sash on your Tapu Koko and not a Life Orb? You haven't used a Life Orb at all, and Koko is the fastest thing in the meta, so it's probably not going to get OHKO'd before it can do anything.

>>31339510
I agree but Tapu Koko is extremely fragile and for me it works perfectly with Focus Sash because it can take an Earthquake and then hit again

>>31340031
f-focus sash!

>>31338932
Yeah, figuring out why you won is a lot harder than figuring out why you lost. For losing though, it's easier: try to figure out what mon of your opponent's that you needed to kill, and what you needed to do to kill it. Did you lose your counter too early? Did you simply make a misprediction? Did you not bring your counter at team preview? If you can't figure anything out, then it may well be that your team has issues.

>>31339237
Replace x scissor for night slash on kartana imo