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/vgcg/ VGC General - EU Championship Thread 7

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Come watch the first major international tournament! Day two battles are ongoing!

Stream: twitch/pokemonvgc_eu
Schedule (GMT): http://www.pokemon.com/uk/play-pokemon/internationals/2017/schedule/

VGC resources: http://pastebin.com/SzDiZaxp (embed)

Last thread:>>30668783
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first for gastro win
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Praise the Steely Waifu
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>>30671595
vgc a shit
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Wolf on stream next
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xth for OP being a spastic /v/ child who can't wait till page 9
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>Wolfe for the third fucking time
Why?
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So, apparently, day 1 matches aren't calculated for resistance. Not as bad as it could've been, then.
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>>30671626
Delet yourself
>>30671632
> On page 8
> REE IT'S NOT ON PAGE 9
kys
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>>30671602
Even a 0 atk full bulk A-Muk can OHKO 252HP Bulu with Poison Jab, it's not that hard with a 4x weakness and STAB.
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I wonder what balls those Porygon 2s are in :^)
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>botched english and woman commentating
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>eric already setup a sub
just ban him damn
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Wut Substitute Player XD
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>E-Excuse me cameraman, instead of recoring me could you focus on the substitute? It's for a joke ahah..
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>Tapu Bulu mirror
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>>30671661
t. someone who just joined in
The woman is literally the only good commentator we've had. She knows how to speak and is actually knowledgeable.
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>>30671640
Wolfe fetish. They are trying to super sexualize him. Also probably the other players are ugly.
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>>30671640
Because the only players the average viewer knows better are Zheng and le Pachirisu man, and he's not even participating
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why has he th substitute?
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So do the commentators know anything or are they just repeating what everyone already knows?
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ABSOLUTELY ABSOLUTELY
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Wolfe again? Surely, you know, there's a fuck ton of other matches going on. I want to watch some UK players for example.
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>3 substitutes on one screen
>only two in game
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>>30671661
>woman
3DPD amiright my weebo friend XD
kys scum
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is mega mence banned or did the aerilate nerf actually make it's mega shit?
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>>30671682
There's just something about the way she talks I don't like
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>>30671697
>Video game commentators of any kind
>good
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Eric got played
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>>30671713

All megas are banned
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>>30671713
Megas are banned this tourney.
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SUB GOD
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>>30671703
>UK players for example.
This.

Have they even streamed Ben Kyriakou at all? Last I saw he is actually in a chance of making top cut and he's one of the better known UK players.
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DRACOALIENTO DEVASTADOR
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Perish Song time
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Magnezone is fucking great against Celesteela, just leave it there and you're basically fighting 2 vs 1
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>take a shot every time you hear "absolutely"
>die
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>>30671760
R1 or R2 iirc, and they also streamed William Tansley.
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>>30671760
Tom, will, boyt and this other have been streamed. Tom and will today boyt and the other yesterday.
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>>30671760
He blew Cybertron's asian fuccboi boypussy wide open yesterday at the first match of them all iirc.
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>>30671773
>garchomp top 10
is he /OURGUY/?
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>>30671760
The first match streamed in the tournament was him vs Cybertron
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Why is riopaser censured and are we watching a substitute doll instead him playing?
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lmao nice read on the magnezone switch, idiot
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MEGATON FLORAL
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>doom bloom
>on magnezone
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Just forfeit dude
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España lmao
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>commentators commentating on these minor move choices when wolfe mathematically won with protect on toed
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>>30671780
>2 shots every time
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Did he just segue from the primary game on the stream with "speaking of better players."

Fucking savage.
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>>30671802
>>30671807
Didn't see the early games so that explains everything, he's always one of my favourite players to read about, guy thinks outside the box alot, anyone know what he used? Wouldn't be surprised if he ran a anti-meta team.

>>30671779
It also gets utterly hard walled by A-Marowak, even HP Ground doesn't do anything worth a damn against it.
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>people in this thread unironically wanted to watch Celesteela stall rather than Wolfe BTFO Celesteela
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I've never watched competitive doubles but perish song hitting EVERYONE looks hella retarded.
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Why are we seeing a substitute doll instead Eric Rios wtf
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>That genV play pokémon poster with Reshiram and Zekrom behind the judge

wew
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>>30671890
>I don't know about thing
>But I'll comment about thing
You know what's really retarded? You
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>tfw pepe perish kills them all
>that aesthetic grassy terrain to match the politoad colours
g-guys it looks sick
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>>30671890
It's never been good without Shadow Tag, but it's being useful here because of potential stallwars
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>>30671876
>>30640686

Here m8
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>rain has Perish Song, Tailwind, and boosted Scald's

thank god ludicolo is banned.
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VIVA CANTO MORTAL!!!
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what s the set of wolfe magnezone?
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dis nigga dabbing hella hard on us
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>>30671890
3 turns is long time when you're not talking about the flying bamboo meme.

Non-stall games can easily end within a single trick room/weather/terrain (5 turns).
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>>30671926
>>>/reddit/
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>>30671896
Because Eric Rios is a minor.
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>So, Magnezone stalled the fuck out by trapping Celesteela
>Let's use it again
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>>30671896
Wow that's rude man, it's not his fault he looks like that.
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People complaining about watching Wolfe, but he's sexy and the only other player sexier than him is the Pokemon Substitute. This is one sexy battle.
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>>30671940
Not possible he's in the Master Div so he's over 18
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>>30671940

But you see uncensored kids in VGC Junior Worlds!
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>>30671940
He's probably just ugly, shy or a memester
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>>30671965
Master is 16+
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celesteela countered by magnet pull mag which is countered by a-marowak which is countered by rain

really gets the neurons going
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>>30671980
Well i through that the div were:
Junior => 12-
Senior => 12-18
Master => 18+
but thanks for the info :)
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Pretty much set already.
Stall memes aside, Wolfey's team is stupidly solid.
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God, scald is such a moronic move.

Was someone at GF asleep when it was approved?
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>>30671965
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That substitute plushie is really cute
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>>30672029
Years ago it worked that way, they removed seniors recently
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>>30672053
see >>30672029
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Should i tell him bois?
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Magnezone singlehandedly killing every Celesteela team and yet they keep putting her in every team.
You can't make this shit up.
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>>30672034
Yeah, it feels like Wolfe's team is the only one I've seen on stream that is actually designed on a metagame level rather than just combining the meme team in various ways.
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>>30672077
Do it
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STOP LEADING WITH CELESTEELA DIPSHIT
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>>30672077
please do
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>>30671914
Wow what the fuck was Cybertron doing that game? Ben is a good player but he was basically handed that game on a silver platter.
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>>30672078
Hardly anyone brought it tbf
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And now he used protect, this means Salamence can just use Z-Move on Marowak slot and Flash Cannon on that as well, and if Tapu Bulu switches in it's dead.
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>>30672083
Why do you say that?
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>>30672091
Celesteela users are fuckings retards
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>>30672083
There have been other good teams though, his just happens to counter the new meta.
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>>30672086
>>30672097
https://twitter.com/ArangoSeijiro/status/807623488131448832

k well i told him, not sure if he will see it. He prob will if more people favorite it or w/e
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WHAT THE FUCK WHY IS MY CELESTEELA NOT STALLING REEE
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>>30672100
https://twitter.com/CybertronVGC/status/807190525883387904

You just don't understand Cybertron's genius.
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please give bulu Play Rough in stars GF
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Gotta give it to Wolfe, the guy predicts how the meta will evolve and stays one step ahead
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REEEAAALLLLLYYY
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Celesteela is shit.
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>>30672078
What's the best way to protect magnezone from opposing garchomp or whatever? I'm definitely interested in using it now.
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wolfi's team was designed to kill every lunar fat slut over there
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what is Wolfe's team? I just tuned in
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Wolfie MVP
>>30672176
Air Ballon/Magnet Rise if he have it
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>>30672139
>please upboat me so wolfy-sama notices me :333
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>>30672176
He has Grassy Terrain Tapu Bulu and Intimidate Salamence to help. Porygon 2 is there to set up TR and fire Ice Beams.
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>Commentators don't know why people use Politoed, but A-Marowak is over abundant.
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So is it over?
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>>30672182
Substitutes
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SWEDEN YES
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i thought drizzletoad was made irrelevant in SuMo by drizzlepelipper
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>>30672210
Perish Song is some shit
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>>30672205
die
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Oh no

I don't know who to cheer for, I like both of them
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>>30672210

in singles yes

in doubles perish song is more useful on the frog
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>>30672210
Politoed, even without Helping Hand and Icy Wind, still has better bulk and various other support moves, and is just more splashable.
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>>30672210
The threat of Perish Song is THAT strong
It's basically slaughter rules; you go to 2 when they're at 3, and you're fucked hard
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STOP NODDING
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>Protecting Marowak when everyone will try to kill Oranguru
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>>30672169
At least he's showing people that you can't stall your way to victory with just celesteela if you type and ability advantages. Stall is always cancerous to watch
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THICC
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>>30672217
>>30672235
>>30672236
Everyone else has been using Pelipper though. Get Wolfe's cock out of your ass.

For pure rain types, Pelipper is the superior option. Rain is the least of all things Wolfe is using Politoed for.
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do these people legit train everything or do they get hacked shit and check it passes checks?
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WHY IS THIS AUTIST NODDING SO MUCH
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>>30672277
He asked why and we answered, you top autist
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>>30672289

Hack the parents, breed legit children.
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>>30672277
>and is just more splashable
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has Ben autism?
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>>30672289
Hacked, especially this early into the game
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>>30672292
Listening to the music
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wtf nintendo? I want pancakes now
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>>30672277
pelipper has tailwind and wide guard (+ hurricane), toed has encore and perish song so it depends on the team, pelipper is certainly more offensive
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>>30672148
I'm talking about a Scarf Xurkitree locked into HP with a A-Marowak in the wings and playing an entire team who does shit all to Kartana.
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>>30672289
Oh boy here we go
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Why Kartana? It seems way too frail.
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>use Psychic Terrain
>proceed to forget Psychic Terrain and try to Fake Out
tilted as fuck
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Wtf fake out dum fuck
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Did he try to fake out in Psychic terrain?
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>don't kill Oranguru turn 1
>lose
Huh.
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>>30672350
does a fuckton of damage, and pretty much always has sash
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Why is GF determined to make doubles the go-to competitive format when the game drops down to 3fps in doubles?
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>>30672308
what about the beasts/tapus?
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>>30672354
>>30672356
>>30672362
I played a guy on showdown once who used tapu fini, torkoal, and lilligant. He tried to sleep powder me twice.
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>>30672356
>>30672362
Ironically enough it helped him out since that gave beast boost to Kartana
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>>30672373
So basically just a very strong, very fast nuke? Not bad, I guess.
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>>30672350
It is frail but if you don't pack any neutral special attackers/fighting attacks and/or it gets a revenge kill it's generally going to run through your team.
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This is the first fighting type I've seen used the whole season so far.
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>>30672379
yeah, are they streaming the vid from something beefier than a 3ds?
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Ben's a breddy cool autist
I'm rootin' for him
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>>30672244
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>>30672379
Because like it or not, having stall in singles is an atrocious way to promote the game. Also because it's better from a marketing perspective to have 99% of moves in the game be useful as opposed to only 75% or so tops in singles.
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>>30672202
I said Team, not moves
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>>30672379
They made VGC doubles before framerate problems were an issue, asshat
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>>30672448
Substitutes
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>>30672379
Because if you think Celesteela mirrors are bad, wait till you get Singles Stall on stream
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>>30672320
Let's have a tournament two weeks after the game is released, but include "features" in the game that make getting each individual pokemon optimally trained takes days. That'll stop hacking for sure!
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>not running shed shell celesteela and switching to your mag counter I.e.a-marowak
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>>30671714
I feel the same.
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>>30672461
pls
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It seems no German has made to playoffs.
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>>30672381
Hack the shit out of em
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>WE'LL BE RIGHT BACK
>Takes like a good fucking 20 minutes to resume
>Shitty 15 second song looping

Why is this allowed?
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>>30672379
>Smogon shitters everytime
Singles stall, elimination of all doubles moves/abilities, also opens up for more types of teams
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>>30672498
No, you soft reset for 10,000 hours to get an ideal nature, hidden power, perfect IV tapu. No one would stoop so low as to hack their way around such a meaningful and gameplay improving time sink.
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>>30672495
Deutchland uber niemand.
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>>30672505
if singles becomes a stall fest and gf doesnt like it, why don't they just balance their shitty fucking game?
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>>30672495
Serves them right for being cucks. Literally all of them had a brown player character. Not even /pol/ but fucking hell man, that's how /pol/ memes start.
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>>30672544
because it's unbalancable
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>>30672544
>Gamefreak
>Balancing anything beyond arbitrary buffs and nerfs to completely random Pokemon

LELMAO
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>>30672505

>more types of teams

Sure, the tapus and UB of healthy meta have a lot of variatons.

At least with the stall you only need toxa and ferro and 4 different pokemons. In doubles you use 5 pokemons and only one option that bring variation.

Variaton in Singles >>> Variation in Doubles
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So it's over for realsies now?
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>>30672495
Markus got teamsheeted and finished 9-5, Barış got unlucky here and there, Till got the Wolff
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>>30672561
How the fuck were the buffs and nerfs arbitrary and random? They nerfed all the cancer
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>>30672289
As long as you're not aiming for Hidden Power, breeding is easy.
>>30672524
Ideal nature is also easy with synchronize - however if you're aiming for hidden power, yeah save yourself the time and inject that shit. You'd have to be insane to try and get a correct hidden power real lego.
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>>30672572
The Germans sure choked hard, they finished yesterday dominating the top half of the board.
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>>30672561
> Ariados +10 SpD
> signature move: shittier version of string shot
> still 400 BST

It looks like our work here is done.

GAME: BALANCED
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>>30672602
>Gengar was cancer
>despite seeing little to no use in any VGC format
WEW
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>>30671773
>Politoad
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There's a Midseason Showdown and Regionals coming up really soon in Dallas, if I want a chance of going to Nationals/Worlds do I need to go to both of them? Would that not be enough or overkill to do both?
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>>30672606
it honestly wouldn't be that bad without the bottle cap training requiring lvl 100. 1/2 with synch and 1/18 chance of a hidden power makes for 1/32 with the mix you want.

but then you have to train it to LVL 100 IN A GAME WHERE THE HIGHEST LVL WILD POKE IS LIKE 54
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>>30672636
Gengar wasn't intended as a nerf retard. It was changed because Gengar doesn't actually levitate

Try paying attention to the real nerfs which were specifically for competitive, like Kangaskhan, Talonflame, paralysis, Prankster, -ate abilities. etc
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>>30672629
this.
I just arrived and suddenly everyone I saw play and even toy with their foes yesterday is gone.
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>>30672651
You have to LITERALLY go and at least top 8 every event you go and go to all the events you can go to have a chance for Worlds. The CP distribution and line is stupid this year. You have to grind like a motherfucker.
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>>30672651
The way the new points system works you'd have to attend several events and place well in each one to stand a chance.
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>>30672673
And now they are whining on Twitter about how they aren't gonna play anymore because daddy Gamefreak is not gifting them a day 2 entry. How sad to see.
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>>30672464
TCPi =/= Game Freak

Though you are right.
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>>30672669
That's true. It takes like an hour of exp share grinding out in poni gauntlet just to get a team to level 50.
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>>30672677
They should make monthly online tournaments for extra points imo, or even grant the access to worlds to the top x of the combined the combined online tournaments
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So who had your favorite team today /vp/?
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>>30672669
I don't know if any of the Tapus are run in trick room, but all but Bulu will want a 0 atk IV to be fully optimal and there's no way (easy or otherwise) to intentionally get a 0 IV, let alone a 0 IV, ideal hidden power, correct nature, and all that other bullshit.
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>>30672524
I got good natures with my UItra Beasts, usually at least 2 based on what types of natures I think might be good in the meta. Got HP Ice for my Xurkitree too. The fact that Beast balls have insanely high capture rate makes it pretty easy.

But really, no one but Verlisify and butt hurt aspies here care if you hack it in, just don't do anything stupid.
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>>30672524
> tfw I soft resetted for HP(ice) koko with a synchronizer
> took 5 resets


WOW SO HARD
BOOO MY ONLY OPTION IS HACKING!
AAAHH
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>>30672671
>wasn't intended as a nerf
>Gamefreak is so retarded they ended up nerfing a Pokemon by accident

KEK LELEMAO
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>>30672719
I really liked Till's team but Wolfe's has grown on me after seeing it in action.
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>>30672695
The Germans are complaining too now?

And last I checked didn't most of the 'famous' players in London basically have their flight/accomodation paid for by TPCi anyway and they still wanted a automatic qualification on top of it?

They basically got a free fucking holiday, I didn't even go down to London to enter because I can't afford it at the moment.
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>>30672754
There is merit in a defensive Bulu that much is for sure, it has the right balance of offenses/defenses to make it work properly.
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>>30672738
hidden power and nature with a syncher is only 1/36

when you start getting into stuff like >>30672723 is talking about it gets stupid
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>>30672759
https://twitter.com/13Yoshi37/status/807589589691015168

Markus is crying like a baby about it like Arash did.
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>>30672693
>>30672677
So basically it's literally impossible for me to get into Worlds in the first place without leaving my state?
Brav fucking O gamefreak.
Should I even bother?
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>>30672723
> Bulu
> THE physical Tapu
> 0atk IV

Nigga you retarded.
Close down 4chan, turn off your computer and end your own life.
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>>30672743
what are you even saying, "not intended as a nerf" means they made the change regardless of how it would effect competitive battling
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>>30672803
>What is context
Nigger he clearly meant 0 Spe IV
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>>30672803
You may want to read that again, or kill yourself.
Both work.
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>>30672803
he prob meant spd jeez dood
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>>30672803
> All but bulu
> but
> but: conjunction. used to introduce something contrasting with what has already been mentioned.

Nigga you retarded.
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>>30672802
Just play for fun. You have a ball at events win or not.
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>>30672738
> Going trough the championship battle, cutscenes and all that bullshit everytime you soft reset for koko

Autismus Maximus. You are the emperor of autists. Jesus.
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>>30672803
>all but Bulu
nigga read
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>>30672277
I want his cock in my ass. I actually want all of his cock and then more.
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>>30672802
It's the fucking world championships, you have to work for it
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>>30672854
This is bait.
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>>30672859
why would the other ones want 0 atk?
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>>30672854
There are still retards who don't know that you can engage with Tapu Koko again after the league if you don't catch him the first time

Play the fucking game you idiot
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>>30672743
It's a nerf to the base version sure but it still has it's mega as an option still which is banned this year but will probably make a comeback in 2018 if we're being quite honest senpai
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>>30672871
>You have to pay for it
Fixed that for you
And no previous year was this retarded to qualify. They increased the difficulty too much.
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>>30672882
Confusion and Foul Play, I think.
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Holy FUCK why would they hire this commentator

His stammering is making me want to blast the earth straight into the sun
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>>30672853
this. i've gone to multiple nats and regionals just to play, even if i dont end getting a high placement
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>>30672803
Muphry's law is a hell of a thing
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Adelante Alejandro!
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>>30672897
It goes hand in hand with the increase in payout, someone in TPCi thinks we esports now
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>>30672899
>euro commentators
never ever
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>>30672853
I think it's healthier for my self esteem if I don't try.
Plus I don't gen so it would literally take up the rest of my life right now to fully train a team in time and I'd be trying to figure out this meta at the same time so I don't even think I'd do well if I had the ability to gen.
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SC2fag here. Decided to watch this for fun.
The commentary is pathetic. I have watched a lot of vidya shit. From Dota to SC2, Overwatch, Street Fighter, even fucking Hearthstone, They ALL have 1000% better commentary.

This is is basically unallowable.
If it weren't for the fact I once in a whole hop on Showdown and play some comp Pokemons I wouldn't know what the FUCK is going on.
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>>30672802
Just go for the experience at the big events consider it a bonus if you place well and talk to people. It's a chance to actually share your nerdy hobby and not be judged by people IRL for once.

As a older player I can tell you we didn't have half this shit when we were younger and nowhere to go just to play the game when wifi was shit. Official Pokemon competitive scene was non-existant and what there was was a complete joke with next to no rules at all.
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>>30672602
>Garchomp
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I hope that stammering bad accent guy swallows his tongue and chokes
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>>30672973
Landocancer is worse.
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it's a z zie zied move
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>>30672997
It wasn't nerfed either. Rock slide is still a 30% flinch chance.
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Every time I see a Z move on stream it's getting donked and does no damage.
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>>30672854
>he doesn't know

kek
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>>30672969
We know anon. We know.
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Where I can see all the teams being used?
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Are nicknames and trainer customization banned? Why does competitive Pokemon always have as little personality as possible?
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>>30672887
But real VGC players don't play the games.
What are you, some casual?
I bet you breed too.
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>It doesn't affect Tapu-Koko
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>>30672969
Pokemon is a terrible spectator "e-sport".

For starters, no one takes Pokemon seriously as a competitive game.
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>Drake into Koko
damn.
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Anyone got the commentator names? I want to be sure I never have the chance to hear these fucks again.
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>>30672969
The American commentators are actually good
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tobias looks like hes going to start crying
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Has anybody had a player character that's edgy as fuck/wearing Skull tank and related clothing?

I'm surprised I haven't seen any yet and sincerely disappointed.
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>>30672793
>crying
Why would they pay entrance fees for more tournaments their fate is already sealed? Unless the cost/payout changes it'll be pointless.
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>wasting the z move on a fairy type
hohly dik
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>Tfw I run a 252hp 252spD Tapu Bulu and would have probably won this last matchup
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SPIDER KILL
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What's the left commentator's name?
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>One Pokemon with full HP
>One Pokemon with almost not HP
>Throw Horn Leech to the Pokemon with almost not HP
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>>30673117
Autists that come here are the shy and serious kind of autists, the loud and flashy ones play the TCG. And even then you aren't going to see them at high levels.
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>bulu cucked by koko once again
based top kek
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What do they write?
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>>30673110
Production is still really bad. Lots of dead time between games. And they keep looping the same short tune over and over again.
I've missed so many games this event just because I keep muting the stream and forgetting about it.
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Why is he a grill
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>>30673112
he can very well start crying once he realizes he throwed up this first game with that protect choke
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>>30673135
252 HP and Attack Tapu Bulu wins it, he was a retard.
>Tapu Koko uses Dazzling Gleam and dies to Life Orb
>Bulu uses Horn Leech and takes almost all its health back
>Leech Life won't do shit because Araquanid has 70 BP
Protect was literally the only losing move.
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>>30673181
Enemy's mon, moves, possible EVs, IVs, Item
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>>30673181
Moves and items.

Before this gen they'd write down stat modifiers too.
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>>30672554
What does being brown have to do with anything? Germany just had shitters.
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>>30673206
and damage rolls, I'd even say mainly those
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>>30673121
That's the thing. Their fate is not sealed, they have to qualify for worlds like any other random player.

But they think of themselves too good for that because they are the super duper bestests top players so they shouldn't have to go through day 1 like a random no name and because they are super ultra omega players only day 2 is worth of them.

Basically, they are being entitled little shits.

>>30673110
The American commentators are bad too, it's just that these fuckers are even worse.
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>>30672953
How can anyone take "competitive" Pokemon seriously when it's basically a couple of adult man sitting with their eyes glued to kiddy handhelds complete with a cartoon seal as a backdrop?
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>>30673215
>What does being brown have to do with anything?
Do I really have to say it?
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Can anybody explain why celesteela is so good?
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>>30673241
How can anyone take "competitive" soccer seriously when it's basically a dozen of men running towards a ball while wearing outfits with little shorts complete with bright colors and stickers?
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Oh boy, I missed Salamence mirror matches, I love the paranoia that causes
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>>30673261
Leech Seed
good typing
good bulk
Heavy Slam does good damage to basically everything because she's THICC
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>>30673197
Why aren't you? Do you want to spend 100s of hours looking at a dude in game?
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>>30673261
fatass waif never die, just sit there
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It focuses the Salamance? Really? What did you expect you shitter? Hit Tapu koko?
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>>30673261
Very bulky, can OHKO or at worst cripple the tapus that matter. Stalls to death too.
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>>30673261
She's Ferrothorn and Skarmory combined.
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>>30673303
>>30673318

What stops A-Marowak from O/2HKOing her?
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>>30673283
Because there is some real money involved?

What do you even get for winning a VGC, a Pikachu trophy? kek
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>>30673309
1000 times better than being a pedo looking at 11 year old grils.
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>>30673351
>>Because there is some real money involved?
You mean like VGC?
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>No dazzling gleam

Why
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>>30673283
Beats me.
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>>30673347
Teammates
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>>30673352
>Being a pedo is a bad thing
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>>30673347
>something has counters
oh wow how did the vgc community not think about that
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I just looked up a recording of one of King George VI's pre-therapy speeches and sure enough it was more tolerable than the stammering in this commentary.
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>>30673351
I mean, you get money too for winning. So it's not a far cry to care.
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>>30673364
stupidity.
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>>30673347
Nothing. There's a reason he's one of her counter.
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>>30673352
Anon you're in a thread full of weeaboos that sexualize fictional animals, you're not going to win with that arguement.
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>>30673369
You need help, mate.
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>>30673347
She outspeeds it and can spam substitutes while the teammate deals with it.
Marowak is still a very solid choice against it though.
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>>30673347
Sub and team mate mainly and not being able to OHKO her is the problem, its very hard to time a attack on her and once you do oft time it's nowhere even remotely fatal.
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>>30673372
I mean i'm thinking of using her so I want to know what to do.. I haven't played much doubles ever.
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I just got here what did I miss?
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>>30673361
I hope you're baiting.
>>
Has there even been a single Torkoal team on stream?

Even though it's a meme team, I was certain at least one notable person would be too lazy to figure out a real team in the small window before the event.
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>>30673374
kek
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>>30673417
We've seen two, one just died without doing anything, the other fired its z-move.
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>>30673414
Boredom
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>>30673417
There was one earlier.

>>30673414
Everything.
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>WAZ?
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>>30673396
What do you think good teammates for her is?

I'm currently running koko/marowak/persian/pory2/gyarados/metagross but i'm thinking of replacing metagross with celesteela.
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>>30673445
Highlights?
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>>30673347
I wish you and people like you would just stop posting in competitive discussions.

Yes, good job, nice observation man, a pokemon has counters! Woah! Who would have guessed that? That doesn't stop the pokemon from being extremely good. Every time someone talks about the merits of any pokemon, someone like you posts something stupid like "ACTHYUALLY, ARCANINE CAN BE KILLED BY MILOTIC SCALD!!!" Yes, we get it, Arcanine, and Celesteela, and Garchomp, and Tapu Koko have counters. They're still good pokemon that have uses.

What the fuck even is a good pokemon in your eyes? Not even Mega Rayquaza counts because "what stops Xerneas from OHKOing it?" You're fucking stupid.
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>>30673461
Read the previous threads.
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>>30673457
Marowak is very good ironically enough, if you use TR you make it slower than the average Marowak, if you don't you make it faster.
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>A-Muk vs Magnezone
1v1 who wins?
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>And he does taunt... taunt... taunt...!
>Wot!? Wot!? ...Wot!?
>To-to-to-tobias
>M-m-m-m-muk
>De-duh-deh-decent d-d-damage!
SPIT IT THE FUCK OUT HOLY SHIT
WHY HIRE COMMENTATORS WHO ARE INHERENTLY TERRIBLE SPEAKERS
HANG THEM BY THEIR TONGUES GODDAMN
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>>30673415
???

>inb4 that's worthless compared to the money you make from soccer

Don't move the goalpost.
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>curse can decide the match
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What item are people using on Magnezone?
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>>30673471
Yeah i'm probably not gonna go TR. I mostly want something to kill tapu lele/koko etc easily, so I figure she's a good choice.
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>>30673457
Well you take away a huge powerhouse for a lot of stall so it really depends on what your team is lacking
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>>30673504
Worth traveling to if you live locally I guess.
>>
>tfw trying to watch the match but keep getting distracted by the qt tan shota in the background
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>breaking your pen

ishygddt
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>>30673489
Magnezone only just barely and it highly depends on the Muk build.

They're actually pretty evenly matched for damage with Magnezone having a speed advantage and Muk having a priority finisher.
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>>30673520
I find myself rarely using metagross, is the thing. I usually have koko/marowak all the time because he is just so good, and then tend to have gyarados/pory2/persian depending on what they have.

I get that metagross can kill the tapus very easily, it just seems like she would be better suited because she can also tank way better and have leech seed
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>We are gear... Uh going here to uh the uh... Tobias is probably shooken uh shoken uh shaken shook uh shocken up by the l-l-last round
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>>30673504
>not even enough to cover the travel costs
W E W
E
W
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Final Game guys
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>>30673570
yea porengan isn't known for having the best english...
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>>30673585
What the fuck travel costs do you have?
>>
I give up.

I'm not watching anymore. I'll be watching muted tomorrow.

This is easily the worst Pokemon stream I've seen in my life. Pokemon commentary has never been amazing but this is one special level of bad.
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>>30673597
Then why fucking hire him to commentate an English stream
>>
Congratulations you played yourself
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>>30673606
They switch commentators from time to time.
But yeah you're right, this German dude talks terribly, I got an headache thanks to him.
>>
Is there a battle spot mode without megas? Mkang every round is the most boring thing i've ever seen.
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>>30673621
Europe sucks ass, that's why. They feel like they have to include their shitters from nations that don't have glorious English as it's first language.
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How the fuck do you run out of time to pick a move in a children's game?
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>>30673642
VGC 2017 Rule set
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>running out of move time
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I feel so embarrassed for the commentator
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I've literally never seen someons running out of time in +5 years. What the hell man.
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The fact that 99% of the """""commentary""""" is just repeating what we see on the screen is worse than the bad English.
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>>30673714
Repeating it with a stammer, no less.
>>
welp, tobias win
>>
alejandro a bad
>>
Move over Moon Princess, we UFOs now
>>
what is the difference between "rated battles" and "championship battles" on battle spot?
>>
I can't wait for the heat ran meta when the games start promoting d/p remakes. you just know GF isn't done making games for the 3ds. I hope gen 7 is another gen 5 to fix the mess from gen 6.
>>
why is he talking about traps now?
>>
Tobias is just out playing Alejandro at every turn
>>
>running hp ice over ground on electric tapu

ishygddt
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>>30673786
Champions Battle is part of rating battles, it's the VGC ruleset
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If I were one of these commentators I would go home at the end of the day, rip out my tongue, and use it as a noose to end my speech impediment once and for all.
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>>30673714
have you ever watched sports
>>
1
H
P
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OH FUG
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>>30673871
It was actually 2 hp
>>
They sound pretty excited about a game being decided by a timer and low damage rolls.
>>
Praise the RNG as your one true pokemon god.
>>
LMAO he still loses
>>
>Pop off that hard
>Doesn't kill
>>
Goddamn this match was retarded
>>
Alejandro is fucking GARBAGE at this video game
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OMG, muk is a truck!
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bretty gud way to end
>>
holy shit that magnezone was pure cancer
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Watching players get so depressed makes me so giddy for sure reason.
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LITERALLY THROWING
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M A G N E T B O Y S
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Alejandro crumbling under pressure twice in one match

The unclutchest
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>protect
>sub
>Thunderbolt
>Flashcanon
>in grassy terrain

sound like the perfect pokemon to be cucked by an A-marowak
>>
>Most of the guys sound girly.

What kind of commercial is this?
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>>30673982
Even the girl was manlier than most of the men.
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>>30673790
Bring it on. Literally can't be worse than the stall cancer we have right now. I'm totally not biased because Heatran is my favorite Pokemon or anything
>>
Are these events actually good? I can't imagine spending so much money on travel to get to one but if it's close to me I'd consider it.
>>
Spain BLOWN THE FUCK OUT
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>>30673973
why the fuck did he not just gleam/KO, is there something I'm missing
>>
>>30674014
>tfw Bulu + Heatran cores in the future
Can't wait senpai
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>>30674016
Are you good enough to win?
>Yes. Go
>No. Don't go scrub get gud
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>>30674022
Seems like he didn't have Gleam
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>>30674055
he did though
>>
no shadow sneak on muk over curse?
>>
Protect is cancer
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>>30674055
He used it. Unless it somehow ran out of PP wich I don't think was the case.
>>
>that half-empty audience
Was VGC always this dead?
>>
>curse muk

Why?
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>>30674075
He's a retarded Spaniard then. He forgot he could onda vital.
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>>30674079
>Prostate my cancer

K.
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>>30674098
Ya, no one cares. TCG is way more popular to compete in
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>>30674016
They are fun events even if you don't go to play.
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>>30674016
If you know what's going on on a game just by watching and like it and if you want to play a couple of matches regardless of the results then it should be worth it.
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>>30674099

Because he is retarded.

I use an A-muk in my team but with this and protect.
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>>30674079
protect + passive recovery is cancer

although the way every pokemon gets access to protect is fucked up
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>>30673646
>2016
>white countries still don't speak English exclusively
Why is this allowed?
>>
PLAYOFFS

Miguel Marti de la Torre (ES) vs Nils Dunlop (SE)
Michele Gavetti (IT) vs Tommy Cooleen (US)
Nico Davide Cognetta (IT) vs Tobias Koschitzki (DE)
William Tansley (UK) vs Ben Kyriakou (UK)
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>>30674202

>opponent use protect
>muk use imprison
>opponent protected

Wasted slot too. Taunt is the perfect move for muk
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>>30674291
You realize that both Taunt and Imprison would be the same in that scenario, right?
>>
Wolfie loses
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>>30674247
>Europe
>white
>>
Sekiam strong
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>>30674261
Wew

"Top" Players BTFO.
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>>30674291

read fag

>>30674317

not the imprison, also if you want you can use Z imprison to make muk a colossal tank and cuck your opponent from protect
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>>30674291
>>30674317
No wait, I just looked up Imprison. Imprison works more as a field effect in that it'll go through protect. Taunt on the other hand would literally just bounce off.
>>
>>30674261
So who's /ourguy/?
>>
Does palossand have ANY use whatsoever, or no?
>>
>we'll be right back

what? Are the playoffs starting already?
>>
>>30674364
Imprison was used in Gen 5 as a Trick Room counter more than anything, you'd occasionally see bulky Chandelure with Trick Room/Imprison/Protect or Shadowball/Heat Wave.

It was anti-meta as fuck the problem is just that, you need a good read of the meta.
>>
>>30674426

Playoffs are tomorrow.

What I don't know is if all 4 quarter-finals games are going to be played at the same time, or it will be one each time for all playoffs games to be streamed.

I'm thinking the latter because last swiss round lasted like 4 hours for streaming 5-6 different games.
>>
VIVA FRANCO COÑO
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>>30674261
Should've mixed up the pairings a bit more, if Italy don't take this they'll choked pretty badly with 2 chances at it since the UK players are basically going to take each other out.
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>>30674450
Honestly, if Muk becomes more popular, speed creeping other Muks and running Imprison to lock them out (+ any protect users) could be viable enough itself
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>>30674505
Imprison + Poison Jab could also help protect your Tapu against Garchomps
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>>30674529

So... any popular move that can be blocked by muk?

Knock off don't look very useful in doubles
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>>30674586
Sub?
>>
So what do you run on Muk?
Adamant? Careful?
>>
Wolfe is also mad with organization
>>
>>30674586
Poison Jab, Protect are the obvious ones and moves Muk can naturally use without going out of it's way.

It'd force your opponent into a brute force exchange with no stalling whilst Muk is free to stall itself. Works even better with Tapu Bulu to give passive healing and to give no fucks about other Muks and Garchomps, it's easily bulky enough to survive 2x SE moves.
>>
Damn, this stream really made me want to use Tapu Bulu and Alolan Muk.

>tfw still didn't beat Sun
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>>30674661
>Mad about the top cut and resistance and it not being x-3
Agreeable.

>Still crying about the sheet penalization
Shut up already you whiny babies. You broke a rule, you got punished by it. Be grateful you didn't get DQ instead.
>>
Can somebody explain the use of hydro vortex gyarados? I don't get what exactly this set is supposed to do..
>>
>>30674661
Abloobloo

Fuck off with your e-celeb bullshit
>>
>>30674586

Nope

http://www.serebii.net/pokedex-sm/089.shtml#

Maybe just use something to deal with the steel type pokemon for coverage. Maybe fireblast
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>>30674715
Hit hard?
>>
>>30674661
What the fuck is resistance?
>>
>>30674661
>professional pokemon player
>can't spell things on team sheet correctly
really gets the neurons firing
>>
>>30674718
literally how autistic are you? We are currently watching VGC tourney that is all about who is playing. This whole thread is about e-celeb shit
>>
>>30674661

context pls
>>
>>30674709

What is this resistance stuff?
>>
>another poorly run UK event
what went wrong
>>
>>30674715
Water is a good type. Z moves do a lot of damage.

Gyarados doesn't rely on a particular held item because he's bulky enough to not need focus sash and not bulky enough to make leftovers spectacular on him and because dragon dance set means no choice items.
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>>30674754
it's the measure of your opponent's win percentage. But it often results in scenarios were player A has 65 percent resistance and gets to cut at 8th, player B has 64.999999 resistance and does not cut at 9th. they do tie breakers this way because supposedly it would take too long to play them out
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>>30674757
I came here to watch and talk about Pokemon, literally don't care about any of the faggots that appeared on stream today
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>>30674333
>Opponents' opponents' win

I know this is to have another ladder for the rankings but wew
>>
>>30674797
that's retarded
>>
>>30674797
Wait this is what people are angry about? This is standard shit in TCGs.
>>
>>30674798
Same. I don't know any of these literal whos. This Wolf guy sounds like some autistic dumbass who's sperging out because he played himself.
Did that German kid with the undefeated streak get first place? I went to sleep a few hours ago.
>>
>>30674754
Idk for sure, but it should be something like you have a higher win rate than others depending on how many rounds you lost/won and not only matches, and it also calcs how you performed against opponents with higher win rates and stuff.
>>
>>30674754
Check >>30674333
Top 6-14 where all 11-3, and only top 8 continues so rank them after the win ratio of their earlier opponents.
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>>30674785
Britcucks.

When it becomes the English Caliphate things will get better.
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>>30674798
>>30674856

those faggots just shifted the meta from the whole big 6 to something completely different. Quit being a fucking spastic asshat
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>>30674754

it means it takes the opponent's records into consideration when deciding top cut. Instead of all X-2's making it, only those whose opponents had good records make it.

It's seriously bullshit since you can't control who you're paired with mostly.. I remember I joined a tournament once, went undefeated, but didn't make top cut (there were 3 undefeateds and top cut was just the finals) due to "resistance" bullshit at my local tcg tourney so I understand why he's mad
>>
>>30674797
>>30674866

Hasn't it always been like that? Then why the fuck is he being angry about what is usual.
>>
How's this set look for Muk?

Muk-Alola @ Figy Berry
Ability: Gluttony
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 244 Atk / 12 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Protect
- Poison Jab
- Knock Off
- Imprison

OHKO's every Tapu but Fini, none of them can 2HKO it back. Always lives Marowak EQ, lives Bonemerang after Intimidate. Salamence Z-Draco does 50-59% damage, putting it in Figy range. Always lives Garchomp EQ, in grassy terrain it's a 3HKO. 12 Speed IVs to speed creep other Muk for Imprison shenanigans.

Let me know if you want me to run any other calcs.
>>
lel.
They finally replaced the shitty german commentator.

Special announcement?
>>
Why is this so garbage holy shit.
>>
your waifu is a filthy teaser
>>
Fucking cunts
>>
>>30674743

So... the best set would be

>Muk-Alola
>item:Black Sludge
>Ability: Poison Touch
>EVs: 252 HP / to discuss
>Nature : to discuss
>Poison Jab (protect bulu)
>Fire Blast (protect bulu)
>Imprison
>Protect (cuck everyone)
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>>30674926
Last season was mostly x-2 cuts. Everyone loved it. It's pretty much a step backward organization-wise.
>>
>Dreamhack
We esports now
Oh god why
>>
>>30674990
>yuropeons fuck it up again
>act surprised
why
>>
>>30674947

Knock off if actually necessary?
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>this one time at band camp
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European schedule
>>
Do they run a losers bracket at these things?
>>
>Italians and Brits will have to play against one another
Pretty shitty.
>>
>none of the big name players made top 8
kek no wonder they're salty
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>no wolf
>no rizzo
Fuck this game
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>>30675020
Besides being good utility, it's also the only move usable against Steel types. Also, it almost OHKOs Marowak. Tapu Koko Dazzling Gleam + Muk Knock Off guarantee KOs 252/4/0 Marowak.
>>
>>30675059
Well, they suck. Big names only because they're attention whores;
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>>30675065
Nils our guy
>>
so wolfe is getting shitcanned because he got randomly paired against shitters?
>>
>>30675065
>Wanting someone who autistic enough to blame others about his own failure in a kids game.
Fuck those e-celebs.
>>
>>30675068

>it almost OHKOs Marowak

Ok, you buy me with that
>>
>>30675065
Oh, so that's why he was crying
>>
>>30675039

>VGC is finally back in Spain
>For any reason in France too despite being the only European country which doesn't play VGC
>It has its first tournament ever in Sweden
>They dropped Italy dunno why when Italy is currently the european powerhouse
>Fucking UK getting 3 tournaments
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>>30674856
He won worlds like three months ago. If you kept up with the vgc AT ALL you would know that. If it was some random guy id agree
>>
>>30675065
ray rizzo is the human equivalent of uncooked spagetthi, I really hope he stops commentating because he's so bad at it. He's in a constant limbo between ghosting the players and not actually knowing what anything does in these newer gens.
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>>30675039
>No Italy

It hurts
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>>30675121
Actually, it does OHKO 12.5% of the time, but that's lower than doding a WoW, so offensively I don't like to rely on that. But outspeeding and beating Marowak is a pretty good niche in and of itself. Also knocking off celesteela lefties can help.
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>>30675039
>Leipzig
Holy crap, I might actually go
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>>30675153
Worlds Champion or not he's still a whiny faggot who apparently can write properly and blames TCPi for it.
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why are italians so good in this game?
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>>30674866
So a 9 way tie for 3 places, was it that hard to make those 9 guys battle each other for the last three places?

I know it's an odd number but come on, there has to be a way.
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>>30674947
>>30675175

Welp, time to make some A-Grimers

With only one move A-mok would become a beast in doubles
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>>30675216
There is. Make the top cut x-3.

I have no idea why they decided to go for resistance cut again after nearly a whole year without doing it. No one knows why.
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>>30675216
its almost as if there's reason why every competitive game ever has a winners and losers bracket with double elim
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>>30675216
Yeah, I don't like it either. They really need to sort this kind of thing if they want VGC to grow.
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>>30675153
He could've won Worlds 3 years in a row, and I still wouldn't give a shit about this literal who. Also, this is a new meta, kid. Adapt or lose. He didn't lose, but he is a fucking dumbass to say the least.
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>>30675161
Just wait for le Pokemon Day at Mirabilandia bro
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>>30675240
Your post is utterly irrelevant to the issue itself because the problem here is because of swiss.
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>>30675065

The only players I recognize are Sekiam (the spaniard) and Ben Kyriakou
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>>30675175
Final thing I forgot to mention, is that after knocking off Marowak's Thick club, even Bonemerang is only doing 54-66% which puts it in Figy berry range.
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>>30675287
I'm cheering for Kyriakou.

Kinda cheering for Nils too because he's an uncucked Swede. And because I hope Sekiam loses, dude's a total douchebag.
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>>30675237
It's clear they won't use last year format for whatever reason, I suspect the main one is that the top 5 may drop out after the 'extra' round. But going back to use the shit from two years is... worse.

If all 14 advanced to day 3 it'd be much better. Byes to the top two, then 3-14 plays R1 and we're gucci. But I guess the British forgot how to use their brain this century.
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>>30675348
UK tourneys always fuck up somehow. They are well known for having terrible organization.
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What items are being run on Raichu and Bulu with them as opens?
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>>30675457
Wrong Tapu I mean Lele.
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>>30675039
>a tournament in france
>one in fucking SWEDEN (yes)
>no tournament in italy
such a shame. It's basically impossible to get into VGC unless you spend crazy money on travels.
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>>30674852
This.

Seriously, why can't these people have some fucking grace and sportsmanship and admit they have been bested.
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>>30675457
Psychic z-crystal for Raichu, depends on what you want from the Lele
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We are on page 10 for once and now no one wants to make a thread. Fags.
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>>30675526
Isn't traveling between european countries as easy as traveling from say, New York to Florida?
>>30675598
These threads die all the time
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>all these meme sets
>all this salt from big players getting cucked
>shit stuttering commentators
>hackmons shitstorm
>RNG shenanigans

this is all I want from a VGC tournament. What a weekend it has been.
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>>30675620
well, maybe, but you can't really justify spending at least 300 bucks on a travel to play fucking pokemon.
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>>30675621
>>shit stuttering commentators
I agree with everything else but this one was ass. UK qt was the only saving grace and she only appeared once in a blue moon.
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>>30675598

Here it is:
>>30675659
>>30675659
>>30675659

Take it easy, as you can see we ain't dying any soon even on page 10.
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Salamence @ Dragonium Z
Ability: Intimidate
Level: 50
EVs: 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Draco Meteor
- Protect
- Fire Blast
- Substitute

is this a good set for salamence?
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>>30675672
Unless you get specific KOs I'd run flamethrower.
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>>30675700
am i running the right nature for salamence or should i go for modest instead?
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