/vgcg/ VGC 2017 General

Want advice for your team? Post it in a pastebin! Don't type the whole team out.

What's a better TR rock attacker, Rampardos or Sudowoodo?

Remember Cybertron said any pokemon could be viable this gen. ANY.

Does Minior 's ability work for 2ndary statuses?
And if you flinch through activating a Z move, can you try it again?

>>30571706
Rampardos, Sudowood really has no use anywhere, those gen2 stats are terrible.

>>30571811
Yeah for the second, no idea for the first.

>>30571738
When we have shit like Ledian in the dex I think it was logical to assume "any" as "any within the common sense of logic".

Can someone post the early results again? I wanna check out some of the teams. Also any way to check replays out from the past tournaments?

Anyone have any success with Mudsdale? He seems like a Donphan minus the play rough

>>30571706
Gigalith.

>>30571738
Well, not any. But there are a lot of undervalued pokes atm. Aerodactyl speed ties max investment Koko and a lot of people are getting greedy and going modest on it. Sky drop lets you completely isolate Koko or its partner and deal with it. Access to a super fast taunt, whirlwind and rockslide that outspeeds everything make it a very good lead.

Incineroar, even without HA, is a decent pokemon because of its matchups against Maro-A/Celesteela. You bait a lot of Toplels in to stop your fake out lead and can just skip the FO and OHKO them with Moonsault which can't do shit to you since you are immune to psychic and don't give a fuck about neutral, non terrain boosted gleams.

Another underrated pokemon is Mimikyu which is very good at setting TR. Pairs well with Hariyama, it's a bit fast for TR but has STAB shadow sneak. Drop a red card on him and you force the enemy to break up their core to get rid of disguise. FO can be used out of Hariyama to give it a safer TR turn. Only thing that counters them as a lead pairing is Lele+Marowak or Lele+roar.

>>30571887
Mudsdale is better than people give it credit for. Ended up getting swept by one earlier today, but only because my Milotic is a fucking jobber that can never land hydro pumps.

>>30571958
How the fr#ck does sky drop work because I have no idea. Confusing move.

Bewear @ AV
Ability: Fluffy
Level: 50
EVs: 180 HP / 200 Atk / 64 Def / 30 SpD / 36 Spe

>252 SpA Tapu Koko Dazzling Gleam vs. 180 HP / 30 SpD Assault Vest Bewear: 80-96 (36.6 - 44%) -- guaranteed 3HKO

>200+ Atk Bewear Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Garchomp: 184-220 (100 - 119.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

>252 Atk Garchomp Earthquake vs. 180 HP / 64 Def Bewear: 72-85 (33 - 38.9%) -- 99.8% chance to 3HKO

Discuss.

>>30572064
Basically you disable the pokemon for a turn then do damage the next turn. It's a good move if you're faster than something because you can just remove it from the field for a turn.

Kind of similar to fake out in its utility, but it's not priority and as such not blocked by toplel.

>>30572083
a-marowak used ember. Honestly I've tried using Bewear before but I've been underwhelmed by it, there are better physical attackers with less glaring weaknesses

>>30572083
dont leave out the thunderbolt calc

>>30572083
>gleam

wrong calcs. Do calcs for thunder bolt in electric terrain. I can almost guarantee it will 2HKO.

>>30571958
Hey. Wanna know a VERY underrated mon?

Pyukumuku

>>30572116
Afte ryou do damage on the following turn, do you move again that turn and does the enemy move that turn?

>>30572140
>252 SpA Tapu Koko Thunderbolt vs. 180 HP / 30 SpD Assault Vest Bewear: 91-108 (41.7 - 49.5%) -- guaranteed 3HKO
Electric Terrain on

>>30572156
>pichu used taunt!

>>30572171
You do damage on the landing turn and do not move that turn.

>>30572195
and the enemy takes damage and doesn't move?

>>30572250
It moves the second turn, it doesn't move the turn you take it into the air.

Again, it's a lot like non-priority fake out, which is good because the new fake out counters don't work against it and Aerodactyl outspeeds literally the entire meta except Koko and Crobat (who got super cucked by no tutors)

>>30572179
>Pyukumuku's Mental Herb activated!

>>30572338
memes

Looking for a good special attacker who also has helping hand or anything great for supporting offensively.

>>30572767
Alolan raichu has fake out!

>>30572793
And encore!

>>30572832
hm... this is true... may be what I need. Thanks

>>30571706
I run your usual no fun allowed team in Battlespot and I got fucking swept by a scarfed Rampardos, it was embarassing on my end. It oneshotted two of my mons so it overall crippled me for the rest of the match.

>you got swept by a Minimize Clefable/ Follow Me team

Rate my team: http://pastebin.com/VMzMQ9HG

Might switch items between Nihilego and Koko. What should I improve?

>>30573063

>you got swept by a Crabominable in TR

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Is Sand good this year?

There's no TTar or Excadrill but there's cheap discount versions on Gigalith and A-Dugtrio.

Weather seems pretty underwhelming this year. There's setters but pretty much zero abusers.

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>>30573063
>not bringing kartana

>>30573212
A-dugtrio fucks the entire metagame my boy.

>>30573421
>Garchomp used Earthquake!
>Gyarados used Waterfall!
>Celesteela used Inferno Overdrive!
>Golisopod used Aqua Jet!
>Bewear used Brick Break!
>Vikavolt used Thunderbolt!
>Crabrawler used All Out Pummeling!

>>30573506
Wow, things have weaknesses. Amazing discovery lad.

>>30573506
Golisopod, bewear, vikavolt, and crabrawler are completely irrelevant. You are really reaching there.

Gyarados is weak to rock and A-dugtrio learns stone edge, guess what happens under sandstorm with sand force? Garchomp and celesteela are ubiquitous and if you are running a team without counters to either then you're just fucking retarded.

>>30573723
>Stone Miss
Have fun winning at most <80% of your battles

>>30573867
You know you can just protect and use rock slide on the gigalith you brought. Or the continental crush that gigalith always brings. Simple plays.

You still haven't addressed the fact that dugtrio OHKOs all tapus, marowak, muk, all the UBs except for 1, ninetales, arcanine, metagross, and torkoal

>>30574010
>You still haven't addressed the fact that dugtrio OHKOs all tapus, marowak, muk, all the UBs except for 1, ninetales, arcanine, metagross, and torkoal
Show me the calcs

>>30574010
you know what? You're right, I'm being narrow minded. I think I'll try it now.

>>30574043
252+ Atk Life Orb Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu in Sand: 190-226 (107.3 - 127.6%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Tapu Koko in Sand: 226-268 (154.7 - 183.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tapu Lele in Sand: 265-315 (149.7 - 177.9%) -- guaranteed OHKO

can't kill Fini but who cares


252+ Atk Life Orb Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Marowak-Alola in Sand: 179-213 (107.1 - 127.5%) -- guaranteed OHKO

252+ Atk Life Orb Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 176 Def Muk-Alola in Sand: 203-242 (95.7 - 114.1%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
>barely anybody invests this much into defense on muk

252+ Atk Life Orb Dugtrio-Alola Iron Head vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Ninetales-Alola: 411-489 (275.8 - 328.1%) -- guaranteed OHKO

-1 252+ Atk Life Orb Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Arcanine in Sand: 159-190 (80.7 - 96.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after sandstorm damage and Leftovers recovery
>even after intimidate, almost kills. if the arcanine switched in to stop dugtrio then it dies on turn 2. note that the field partner to arcanine is also taking heavy damage from 2 earthquakes in a row

252+ Atk Life Orb Dugtrio-Alola Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Torkoal: 112-135 (63.2 - 76.2%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
>torkoal doesn't die but this much damage is enough to make its eruption useless. torkoal has 140 defense stat so doing any amount of damage to it with a physical attack is impressive

>>30574215
>LO
Even Excadrill ran Sash and the mole was moderately bulky. Dugtrio dies to a slightest breeze and you are gonna run LO?

http://pastebin.com/qhFnLFGY
Anybody got any advice on this team? What each spread does is in the pastebin, so please read thoroughly.

Man, Fini is really shit. I really really tried to make her work somehow but she doesn't pull her weight at all as either bulky water or for self-swag meme which I used once in 20 or so battles because 99% of the time I'd rather have her attacking instead of doing that.

Anyone feel like the freezing rate has been upped this gen? I keep getting frozen today, like 4/5 matches involving Ice moves.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7vgc2017-491426204
So this... is the power... of VGC...

>>30575198
Go ask on that smogon research thread I guess.

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>>30575345

>>30575345
why the fuck do people keep trying to use toxapex in VGC, it's literally the worst shit. I mean yeah the guy is using a bunch of shitmons but I see people try to slot Toxapex into otherwise decent teams.

>>30575139
Primarina is just better

>>30575557
Primarina is even shittier.

>>30575497
I don't even get him. What does he do?

Where do you fags level up your mons for hyper training? First time on cart and I've got to say the rest of it felt really rewarding but this final grind is unreal.

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>>30575635
>Where do you fags level up your mons for hyper training?
In PKHex.

>>30575625
Super defensive pivot. It's actually really good in 6v6 where battles last way more turns, switching is more prevalent and status is more impactful. But in a format like VGC where most non-Celesteela mirror battles are decided in 10 turns or less it's fucking worthless. Especially in a meta with tons of Koko, Lele and Garchomp.

>>30575635
>he's not hacking

Give yourself 999 rare candies if you want to do it without hacking mons, you have to be an ultracuck to grind to 100 in this game. No blissey bases and gen 5 XP mechanics make it fucking grueling.

Is Whimsicott worth using even with the prankster nerf?

>>30575860
>Prankster TW
>Prankster Encore for being under TR
>Endeavor with a usable base hp stat.
What do you think anon?

>>30575860
What dark types even are there?

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>>30575889
>number of dark types in the meta: 3, all niche

>>30575592
>mad owlcucks

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>>30575995
>my favorite UB is meta as fuck


Neat, I guess.

>get a good winstreak with a team
>leave to do work and start playing again hours later
>lose every single game
Anyone else have this issue?

>>30575995
I wish i could find what they're running

>>30575995
Doestrogen anyone know the sets these people run?

>>30576322
>doestrogen

about to sync for nihilego, what natures are people running?

>>30576639
timid

http://pastebin.com/WU9g0aEv

Who should I add to round out my team? These 3 are the most consistent in helping me win, but I get walled by any water type, specifically Gyarados. I've tried Raichu but it's incredibly easy to counter and it's frail as shit. Should I use Koko? Is there anything that can take down Gyarados in 1 turn and has some defense?

>>30577695
Koko/Celesteela/Garchomp is a standard core.

http://replay.pokemonshowdown.com/gen7vgc2017-491473453

My marowak OHKOed an enemy salamence with shadow bone and I don't know how. The calculator says it's not possible.

>>30577695
You don't seem to be too interested in Trick Room, but having 1 more slow as dirt pokemon wouldn't be a bad idea considering the meta. AMuk or AMarrowak doesn't seem like a bad idea for you.

>>30577894
I'll watch the video, you show me the damage calc

>>30577955
252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Shadow Bone vs. 4 HP / 0 Def Salamence: 139-165 (81.2 - 96.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

>>30578021
>>30577894
Minus defense mixedmance? It's dumb, but the guy was a sub 1100 shitter.

>>30578066
>>30578021
Yeah my only answer is it was a -def nature
>252+ Atk Thick Club Marowak-Alola Shadow Bone vs. 4 HP / 0- Def Salamence: 154-183 (90 - 107%) -- 43.8% chance to OHKO

>>30578112
I guess he was mixed or something. Wanted to drop the draco meteor and then use dragon claw

>>30577925
I've been running Muk with my big 3. It's done okay but it hasn't been of much use. I'm using Arcanine as well but he's in the same category as Muk.

I'll try Marowak. I've been thinking about A-Golem? Is it any useful?

>>30578173
I can't say, but what was your Muk set?

>>30578197
A-Muk
Sassy nature
Gluttony/aguav berry
252 hp/ 108 attk/ 148 spdef
-Poison Jab
-Knock off
-Disable
-Protect

I discovered a neat combo
>Start with ARaichu and AMuk w/ Power of Alchemy
>Raichu dies
>Muk copies Surge Surfer
>Bring out Koko

What set for A Dugtrio?

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>>30575995
>spent last week trying to work out my own team
>hang around 50ish win rate
>not terrible but could be better
>see this pic a few days ago
>rip off the first guys team, add movesets and EVe based on gut feeling
>instant 80%+ win rate
Thanks guys

what supports go great on sandstorm team? Outside of usual typing?

>>30578946
stoutland for fast after you can help gigalith rock slide first in the turn

>>30578962
I tried that yesterday.

90% of the time I'd rather Stoutland hit something than have Gigalith go first by After You'ing him.

Furthermore, Normal is a very underwhelming type overall and Stoutland is not exactly a offensive powerhouse either.

>>30578946
Oranguru can set TR for gigalith and instruct rock slide to get flinch magic.

>>30578488
Not using it desu, not strong or fast enough to make up for the awful bulk. If you're set on it then Iron Head/EQ/Protect/Filler with sash, preferably using sand force and partnered with Gigalith.

>>30579202
.. it has 110 spe you faggot

>>30579202
It literally hits harder than Excadrill under sand and since when is base 110 slow?

>>30579202
>110 Speed not fast

l o l

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I thought golisopod was fucking bad, but could it have value as a final-2 'mon?

>>30579238
>>30579292

If I'm running a frail sasher why would I settle for 110 speed when there's Weavile at 125, Koko and Aerodactyl at 130, or even Pheromosa at 151.

>>30579275
252 Atk Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu in Sand: 134-158 (75.7 - 89.2%)

252+ Atk Excadrill Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu: 138-164 (77.9 - 92.6%)

>>30579354
Because neither of those buttfuck the meta like he does >>30574215

>>30579354
Because weavile main stab is 90% accurate and aerodactyl has stone miss and rock miss

>>30579381
Do you want to know what that doesn't show you? The fact that Adamant LO Dugtrio is outsped and OHKOd by Garchomp and totally walled by Celesteela, two of the most common mons in the meta.

>>30579354
>If I'm running a frail sasher why would I settle for 110 speed when there's Weavile at 125, Koko and Aerodactyl at 130, or even Pheromosa at 151.

Wow you really are a fucking faggot.

Maybe because weavile, koko, aerodactyl, and pheromosa all do less than 50% to Tapus while dugtrio walls koko and OHKOs it back, outspeeds and OHKOs Lele, does heavy damage to Bulu which can kill easily if you damaged it beforehand, and 2HKOs Fini, while OHKOing arcanine, doing heavy damage to gyarados with stone edge, OHKOing marowak and muk

They don't even remotely do similar things you dumb fucking fag. Aerodactyl is a tailwind support with taunt and doesn't collect any OHKOs on anything. Pheromosa is walled by muk, marowak, and every single Tapu. Weavile is a pure irredeemable shitmon with nothing much more to say on that. Why would you pick ANY of those over dugtrio for the "anti-metagame sasher role?" Only dugtrio does that.

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A combo of Guardian of Alola + Ghost type Curse should be able to take down anything by the end of the turn (even through Protect), right?

>>30579493
GoA doesn't cut through Protect, does it? Only partly, right?
Also
>crippling your ghost type AND losing an item slot to kill one enemy

>>30579473
>Adamant LO Dugtrio is outsped and OHKOd by Garchomp
We can play homosexual games all day if you want to.

"OMFG CELESTEELA IS OUTSPED AND OHKO BY TAPU KOKO. GUESS IT'S A SHITMON NOW"

"OMFG PHEROMOSA IS OUTSPED AND OHKO BY +1 GYARADOS AND TAKES NO DAMAGE FROM ITS ATTACKS"

"GARCHOMP IS OUTSPED BY NINETALES AND OHKO BY 100% ACCURATE BLIZZARD. QUICK EVERYBODY STOP USING GARCHOMP!!!"

See how fucking gay you are? Saying "I can come up with 1 counter to your pokemon therefore it's shit!!!!" is fucking retarded and proves nothing. Fact is, you can run Jolly on dugtrio (outspeeding garchomp) and not lose most of the important OHKOs.

252 Atk Life Orb Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Iron Head vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tapu Bulu in Sand: 174-205 (98.3 - 115.8%) -- 87.5% chance to OHKO

That's still a very good chance to OHKO and if not, that tapu bulu will die to sand at the end of the turn.

"What those calcs don't show you" is that dugtrio has the LITERALLY the strongest non-explosion spread damage attack in the entire metagame coming off base 110 speed. If you're too retarded to figure out how to use that to your advantage then you shouldn't even attempt to play this fucking game.

>totally walled by Celesteela
Gee so you're telling me it's like 90% of other pokemon in the meta? If you're playing without a celesteela counter you lose automatically anyway. Yeah dugtrio has weaknesses. That's what team building and team support are for you fucking retard. One pokemon isn't going to do it all.

>>30579609
damage z-moves go through protect but only 25% of the would-be damage is dealt

>>30579609
>>30579688
>GoA doesn't cut through Protect, does it? Only partly, right?

It's % damage so I'm not sure how it works in that case

Also depending of the case it can be a decent trade-off, of course you don't want to dedicate your strategy to that.

Anyone here have experience with Pyukumuku?

>>30579477
>>30579657

I don't even know why I try to discuss vgc on here. Any time I offer advice all I get is assblasted scrubs telling me why their favorite shitmon is actually a God. Have fun being shit. Btw though -
>strongest spread attacker
That's actually eruption torkoal, which also provides its own weather support.

>>30579724
>It's % damage so I'm not sure how it works in that case
25% of 75% of your health. why would it be any other way?

>>30579884
Just tried it and yeah, that's how it works.

>>30579870
>That's actually eruption torkoal, which also provides its own weather support.
And also can't do anything without trick room, takes multiple turns and usually a dead 'mon or a switch-in to get it going, loses its power after taking damage, is countered by every team these days, and also isn't on any team in the top 50 anymore (go check yourself). Turns out not every team wants to spend 2 pokemon to make sure that 1 pokemon has some basic function, while also revealing in team preview that you spent 2 out of 6 pokemon to do so with a totally transparent strategy that everyone and their mom has countered by now.

Dugtrio on the other hand is extremely fast and can do an okay amount of damage without sand, and late game that can mean a clean sweep after the opponent has been weakened. Nobody ever said that dugtrio is the best pokemon ever, that it's a god, or that every team should have it. I have the calcs to prove it's good in some situations and some teams should consider it. That's all anyone ever said or implied. I admitted 3+ times that dugtrio, just like every other fucking pokemon, has weaknesses and likes to be supported by a synergistic team. Can you fucking read or did you just ignore that?

Face it, being able to guaranteed OHKO marowak, muk, tapu koko, and arcanine with a SPREAD MOVE ON A FAST POKEMON while also potentially doing 70% to a field partner is strong. Some teams should consider it. And that's that. You're wrong and dumb, get over it.

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Anyone else finding it impossible to make a team they like?

>>30580286
Yeah, but I'm always like that. I can get 3-4 that work well together, but the last 1-2 get switched around and replaced and I just can't figure out how to complete the team.

>>30579870
I know for a fact that cybertron, wolfey, and hibiki would all have positive things to say about alolan dugtrio and they are much better at battling VGC than you. Wolfey and cybertron see potential in pokemon like kommo-o and silvally, and those pokemon are arguably much worse than alolan dugtrio in many ways. There is a niche for many pokemon and if 5 of the top 15 teams are using a fucking Golduck right now then I think a pokemon with 110 speed and the strongest spread move in the metagame is just fine, anon.

>>30580377
I'm just constantly brainstorming and coming up with ideas, trying out the ideas and it doesn't work at all, go back to the drawing board and do it all over again. I don't know if my team is bad or if it's my battling skill since I'm new to doubles

>>30580286
Considering I'm only on my 2nd team, I'm willing to chill.
My goal is to shoehorn Tentacruel in there somewhere but I haven't quite got the formula yet.

>>30580158
Hey faggot, guess who also has a chance to OHKO back? King of cheese himself, Tapu fucking Koko. And with HP Ice no less.
252 SpA Life Orb Tapu Koko Hidden Power Ice vs. 0 HP / 4 SpD Dugtrio: 96-114 (87.2 - 103.6%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

Oh, and it doesn't take much for Koko to survive the EQ in return if you're sashed.
252 Atk Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 12 HP / 4 Def Tapu Koko in Electric Terrain: 122-146 (82.9 - 99.3%) -- guaranteed 2HKO

And while you OHKO if you're LO, that's also assuming you're not intimidated you twat. Because that is a thing, so either Arcanine forces the switch or just fucking murders you with Flare Blitz.

And what was that about OHKOing Marowak?
252 Atk Life Orb Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Alolan Marowak: 133-156 (79.6 - 93.4%) -- guaranteed 2HKO
I think you're wrong asshat.

As for Muk, it literally lives and just fucks you with Knock Off.
252 Atk Life Orb Alolan Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Alolan Muk: 174-211 (82 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO after Black Sludge recovery
Oh, and to rub it in here's the calc for Knock Off.
180+ Atk Alolan Muk Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Alolan Dugtrio: 111-132 (100.9 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO

So basically LO Dugtrio is shit, whereas at least sash Dugtrio can live long enough to potentially 2hko most of these threats at best. The only one it might have issues with is Tapu Koko, and that's because it outspeeds it.

>>30580454
Liquid Ooze to say fuck you to Celesteela and that's about it.

Hue.

>>30580506
Tapugrass too if they run Leech Horn. Don't know if that's as common as Wood Hammer tho

A casual match but ayy
MKFW-WWWW-WWW2-YBJH

>>30580286
Yeah. I seriously feel like I forgot how to teambuild completely sometimes.

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>>30580498
>Hey faggot, guess who also has a chance to OHKO back? King of cheese himself, Tapu fucking Koko. And with HP Ice no less.
Literally your calculation is wrong, idiot. Pic related. I even gave tapu koko a fucking crit AND gave it a life orb AND gave it a modest nature AND gave dugtrio zero investment in any EVs at all. I put literally every single god damn factor in your favor and it comes nowhere near to comes nowhere near to your calc. Good job calcing for normal dugtrio and not alolan dugtrio though you fucking incompetent.

Your other calcs are just plain wrong as well.

>0 Atk Life Orb Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Earthquake vs. 4 HP / 252 Def Tapu Koko in Sand: 127-151 (86.9 - 103.4%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

That's a fucking ZERO ATTACK EVs alolan dugtrio in sand versus a tapu koko that ran FULL INVESTMENT IN FUCKING DEFENSE (SHIT THAT NOT A SINGLE SOUL ON EARTH DOES IN A REAL MATCH) and it still has an 18% chance to KO.

>0 Atk Life Orb Sand Force Dugtrio-Alola Earthquake vs. 0 HP / 0 Def Muk-Alola in Sand: 179-213 (99.4 - 118.3%) -- 93.8% chance to OHKO
No muk doesn't live. This is the same zero EV investment alolan dugtrio having an overwhelming chance to OHKO in sand. Knock off also doesn't OHKO back in return, so that's also fucking wrong (LMFAO)

I have no idea how you run your calcs dude, I presume you just fucking type the sentence into the 4chan text box and hit submit because they look like they are not based on a single fact or any math whatsoever.

It's no wonder all of your opinions are so shitty. If you can't even run basic calcs it's easy to see how you come to such bad conclusions.

What are you guys running on gyarados?

I cant make up my mid over Adamant or Jolly

>>30580536
Swords dance + horn leech is very threatening late game if you manage to get it up. It is insane how much horn leech actually heals after you OHKO an enemy

>>30580877
Need jolly due to presence of enemy gyarados imo

>>30580823
D'awww how cute. You can only dispute the Koko calculations. I realized my mistake once you pointed it out, I forgot to change formes for Dugtrio.

I also like how you didn't account for your defensive calcs from Dugtrio into Koko. You're just cherry-picking your own calcs and not giving a shit. Meanwhile, I took all of your threats and showed you that most of them didn't even give a fuck and can KO back.

So what happened to nugget bridge? the site now is shit

>>30581065
Circlejerk moved to Twitter.
The site redesign is terrible.
Any sub 1000 shitter can post whatever and think himself as important so the overall value dropped hard.

>>30580498
>>30581043
Whatchu blabbing about kid?
All of your calculations are wrong. I just ran all of em myself, not even guy you're talking to.
everything you stated is wrong.

tapu koko doesnt ohko with hp ice
marowak doesnt survive EQ.
Muk doesnt survive Eq.
Muk doesnt ohko with knock off.

it's all wrong. everything you said is wrong.
are you sure you are making dugtrio jolly in sand
with sand force and life orb?
seriously man you gotta stop talking cuz u are just wrong

>>30581043
>I also like how you didn't account for your defensive calcs from Dugtrio into Koko
?

I did, and posted the line.

>You're just cherry-picking your own calcs and not giving a shit
... literally, what? I went through every single calc you did and showed you it was wrong with counter-evidence.

> I took all of your threats and showed you that most of them didn't even give a fuck and can KO back.
Actually you just showed me you're bad at math which is why you came to such bad opinions in the first place. Discussion done. I won't continue talking to an incompetent.

>>30579657
>homosexual
>gay
>retarded
You need to be 18 to post here.

>>30581279
And you should go back to tumblr if those words bother you in any way you tremendous faggot.

>>30581106
Good riddance then, it's slow as fuck and that design really sucks.

>>30581106
adding to that, a lot of the old guides posted by excellent players are dead in the water now and create broken URLs

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>>30581279
>i am a true mature gentleman who is far above the use of brutish and vulgar wordings. pip pip

>>30581301
underageb&s bother me. I'm sure you'll grow out of it but this isn't an 8th grade chatroom where we talk about tiddies and see who can swear the most.

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Which pokemon in the metagame right now is the edgiest

>>30581481
Stop trying to fit in so hard reddit.

>>30581484
Kartana?

>>30581481
That's right. Please excuse my language, my adult brethren, but what the h#ck is wrong with the d*rn youth these days? They make me feel so angry with their swearing and tomfoolery.

Can't we do something to clean them up? I made a post on r/chivalry and I would appreciate upvotes!

>>30581501
>>30581529
i'm not going to derail the thread further, but if you are indeed adults, try to act it, that's all I ask.

I miss spamming Hyper Voice with Mega Waifu

Speaking of which, Eevee STILL doesn't learn that as an egg move.

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>>30581553
Good. Shut up already you prancing lala homo man.

>>30581558
I wanted to try a team using the Eevee family, but having no move tutors makes it a lot harder.

>>30581553
I am a homosexual adult and I find your words very inspiring. Thank you for making me feel so gay (happy)! Well, I have to go now because I have yardwork to do; I have to pick up all the sticks and make a big fag.

Thanks for thought-policing! It is very important here on 4chan™!

>>30581207
My apologies, didn't see the sand part. However, you still only have a chance to OHKO Arcanine, and that's assuming it has no bulk whatsoever, which it always does. And then it just destroys you with either Flare Blitz or Burn Up.

I will say that given that every team that I watched this weekend had Intimidate in some form, be it Gyarados or Arcanine that there is no way that A-Dugtrio will ever be good as it needs all of its attack to function. And after Intimidate there is no chance of OHKOing either of those unless there's a crit.

That being said, yes switching out is an option, but not at the end game when you're down to your last two mons. Which if I had to pick a mon, I'd like it to be consistent especially in pinch situations.

I'd also like it to be great against bulky mons like Celesteela. Who can setup seeds, Protect for a turn, and then just kill you with Heavy Slam the next turn. Especially if they get an Intimidate off. And when they have always been partnering it with Intimidate in some form, I'd rather just go with Marowak who can still pick up the KO even at -1.

http://pastebin.com/yWKhWURx

This is the first draft of a sandstorm team I'm working on as a secondary team.

I'm mostly unsure what to do with Kookodile. He's immune to sandstorm and provides intimidate, but I'm not 100% sure where to go from there. Right now I'm just making him as physically bulky as possible.

For Gigalith, I originally had an Assault Vest on him, but I decided that protect was more valuable so I could spam earthquake without switching him out.

>>30581599
Pretty much.

Sylveon is more or less useless without HV.
Vaporeon is massively outclassed with it's only remaining niche as a bulky water being Helping Hand.
Jolteon is only good for meme Round/Fake Tears strategies.
Flareon.
Espeon doesn't really have anything over things like Lele.
Umbreon just doesn't work.
Leafeon MIGHT be able to find some use on a Sun team or something, as a fast alternative to Bulu. I doubt it though.
Glaceon is outclassed by Ninetails now, and doesn't work too hot in Trick Room without Hail support.

>>30581635
stop talking

>>30580877
I run mine as Impish, but then again, he's a specialized set for murdering Marowaks and taunting Trick Roomers.

>>30581686
Leafeon has no moovepool and gets walled hilariously easily. I desperately tried to fit one on a sun team, and I just couldn't justify it despite loving the green fox so much.

>>30581686
>Eevee is arguably the best Eeveevolution right now
>Eevee became good before Flareon ever did
Really makes you think.

http://pastebin.com/zVqfGtnX
Alright someone please advise me how to make this better

>>30581821
>offensive celesteela
???

>>30581700
Awwww... is someone assblasted that their favorite mon is shit because of steelwaifu + Intimidate? Did they not watch the PC streams this weekend and see how many Intimidators there were? And that's not including Krookodile.

A good player can play around having Lightning Rod up and the Gyarados to deal with physical Koko and just Protect and DDance if they want or they can just go straight for the kill with Waterfall or the Z-move.

Seriously, A-Dugtrio is shit, and will forever be shit. Oh, and for your optimal situations of damage requiring Gigalith out, so that means you pretty much can't lead Koko/Dugtrio to deal with Gyarados/Marowak as a lead. Can't even kill Gyarados with Explosion from Gigalith.

Get fucking good and stop trying to push your shitmon on everyone else.

>>30581860
It's not bad on certain teams

>>30581821
>http://pastebin.com/zVqfGtnX
>Flash Cannon
>Heavy Slam fucks everything super hard
>???
Why the fuck would you do such a thing?
4 SpA Celesteela Flash Cannon vs. 252 HP / 0 SpD Tapu Lele: 86-104 (48.5 - 58.7%) -- 97.3% chance to 2HKO
0 Atk Celesteela Heavy Slam (120 BP) vs. 252 HP / 4 Def Tapu Lele: 170-204 (96 - 115.2%) -- 75% chance to OHKO
Do you see which one is better?

Ninetailes/celesteela/milotic/tapu koko/a-marowak

What else can I add? I get my ass handed to me by trick room memes.

>>30581998
put taunt on your tapu koko to stop the very obvious trick room lead

>>30581998
If you want to be cute, run Nature's Madness on Koko and Kartana with Night Slash should KO most mons. Then you get a beast boost and can start plowing through things. But that's just a scrubby idea from a scrub.

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i looked at this image and my favorite pokemon in there is probably krookodile. how do i get the most out of this pokemon?

i want to invent a core that includes krookodile to start my team development.. so far i was thinking about celesteela, krookodile, and tapu koko. this would let me spam earthquakes and discharges. However, i am concerned that 2 of these pokemon are weak to enemy tapu koko so I don't know if it's good to use this. I also wanted to put down aerodactyl for tailwind support but that would add a 3rd pokemon that is weak to tapu koko and that just seems like a terrible idea

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My big man SNORLAX got any use in this fuckin META?

>>30581921
I could do that. Although really I seem to be using Flamethrower on it more. May just switch it to Fire Z item and Heavy Slam.

>>30582143
How are people even running Metagross? I haven't seen it much at all

>>30582407
It's falling out of favor due to having a bad matchup against gore chimp I think

>>30582143
Does Brown Horse absolutely need TR support, or can it go on a team in the same way that marowak kind of can, being a bulky hitter than can take a hit and do high damage back?

Mudsdale seems like it would be a good "gotcha" pokemon to keep in back after eliminating enemy special attackers. Send it out and it starts boosting its defense passively.

FULL INVESTMENT IN A REAL MATCH) and it comes nowhere near to comes nowhere's the calc for Koko in Sand: 122-146 (82.9 - 99.8% chance to OHKO back? King of cheese himself, Tapu fucking Koko. And with sand. Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP Ice Punch vs. 4 HP / 64 Def Tapu fucks you with knock off also doesnt ohko with sand for Knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 12 HP / 30 SpD Dugtrio Earthquake vs. 252 HP / 0 Def Alolan Dugtrio: 111-132 (100.9 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO

And what is a thing, idiot. Pic related. I even guy you're wrong asshat.

As for Muk, it literally LO Dugtrio-Alolan Dugtrio and not alolan Muk Knock Off.
180+ Atk Bewear: 72-85 (33 - 38.9%) -- 18.8% chance to OHKO

Oh, and life orb AND gave it a life Orb Sand: 122-146 (82.9 - 99.5%) -- guaranteed 2HKO back? King of cheese himself, Tapu fucking Koko. And with is Tapu Koko in Electric Terrain: 122-146 (82.9 - 120%) -- guaranteed OHKO

it's easy to see how you OHKO
No muk doesnt ohko with knock Off (97.5 BP) vs. 0 HP / 4 Def Tapu Koko. And while you are not even gave the EQ in return, so that's because it outspeeds it.

>252 HP / 0 Def Muk-Alolan Muk: 174-211 (82 - 99.3%) -- 93.8% chance into they are no less.

Hey faggot

>>30582416
It would have been very meta if it kept Ice Punch unfortunately. It dicks over all the Tapus still.

What do you think the natdex meta will be like?

>>30582167
I've been trying to think of something for him to do, but he could really only work as a heavy hitter in trick room, yet there are better mons for that. One thing I have noticed right now though is an almost complete lack of fighting moves being thrown around right now. Maybe without any SE hits to worry about, his bulk can carry him? You'd have to try and see

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Is porygon Z-conversion good in doubles at all or is it a bad idea to take a turn to setup in doubles? I notice that gyarados often dragon dances in this meta but I don't know if he can afford to do so because of his intimidate, and therefore wasting a turn to setup wouldn't really apply to porygon. What do you guys think?

>>30582167
>>30582540
gluttony wiki berry belly drum cheese

>>30582540
>lack of fighting moves being thrown around
I thought the same thing. The only thing he doesn't like right now is tapu bulu woodhammer and intimidate being on half of teams.

>>30582552
I think damage z-moves is too valuable to give up for this type of thing. Being able to kill an enemy pokemon immediately in an emergency situation, or being able to put elctrium Z on tapu lele so it can OHKO celesteela for example, is just way better than wasting an item slot and a z-move on a setup that your opponent will be watching for anyway. Sometimes the enemy has a tapu bulu on the field and you just gotta dump that damage z-move before it wood hamemrs 2 pokemon on your team. Can't do that if you have to setup first.

Someone post thier team and let me try it out.,

how do you guys kill the duck?

>>30583142
The Conversion or TR version?

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For mons that like to use Sitrus Berry, is it a good idea to run Figy Berry(Or whatever Berry of that kind corresponding their nature) because of the buff it got?

Is it overlooked at the moment or not as useful as it seems?

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>>30584490
> that pic

Wait, that isn't what I uploaded...

>>30584490
I think it's not used much because it activates at 25% rather than 50%

Is Nihilego seeing much use? Seems like a good Tapu killer and Marowak-A killer.

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>Finally hit 1700
>Next match I get double paralized by Xurkitree turn one and that basically dooms my win condition.

>>30582460
More than being a TR mon, it's an anti TR one.
It does just fine when outside of it due to how damn tanky and hard hitting it is, but if your opponent goes for the TR you going to make his day quite annoying.

I need help please. I'm still in the midst of formulating a team, can people quickly list down some common VGC cores so that I can look at?

Off the top of my head I know Koko-Garchomp-Celesteela and Bulu-Muk. Thanks

>>30585770
Torkoal-Lilli-Oranguru

Pelipper-Tapu Koko-Gyarados-Marowak

Oranguru-Garchomp-Tr mons

Xurkitree-Tapu Koko-Marowak

There are many potential cores to be honest, people instead of copying the latest top 8 should try to find out new good strategies

>>30585770
http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/vgc-17-complimentary-pairs.3587286/

This could help, maybe.

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Can I get some feedback on my first attempt at a VGC team please? I realize I'm heavily lacking fire for coverage and wondering if I should put Fire Fang or Fire Blast on Garchomp and what for (obviously changing EV set for FB), I'm also struggling on a sixth and was thinking Salamence.

Pheromosa is probably a mistkae.

http://pastebin.com/4w32YkPE

>>30587577
Fuck I left my fifth off, pretty standard bulky Gyarados with taunt.

>>30587577
Pheromosa is actually not that great here, specially since with all those protects your hi-jump kick is going to hurt you

>>30584768
Still can't beat the cheese that is Rock Slide.

I actually went a game being double flinched 4 turns in a row by a Scarfchomp. It doesn't matter how bad the opponent was not being able to kill me completely with 4 free turns it still pretty much ends you.

>>30582407
Mostly paired up with Fini for Swagger shenanigans I believe.

>>30575995
I haven't seen much of competitive in SM, why is Porygon2 there?

>>30587008
what is the best spread for tapu koko currently?

>>30579657
> all this sperging
> Won't change that A-Dugtrio is shit

lol

>>30587990
I'm running a special attacking variant, beginning to think from testing that it simply won't last long enough to be usable though

>>30588634
Balk, tr and decent offenses

Which set for Xurkitree is common, Timid or modest?

>>30582407
Physical attacker. Clear body is very useful in a meta full of intimidate.

>>30589613
wolfey says modest picks up some important kills.

Are you gus going to partecipate in the Battle of Alola? I literally have no idea how singles work since I never touched them, but I will at least try since you get free 50BP.

Best mons for trick room team?

Who are the best Follow Me users, if any?

>>30591708
Smeargle and Clefairy are decent.

>>30591642
Pheromosa

what's the best nature for Pelipper?

>>30593024
I think modest

>>30582167
I've been running an adamant snorlax with 252 atk, 252 def and snorlium. Thick fat and his natural bulk let him switch into basically any special attack, then you pancake something.

>nearly 3 weeks into the game
>PGL still has no Battle Spot stats

This is my anti-meta team that's currently doing pretty well on showdown. What do you think?

Braviary @ Adrenaline Orb
Ability: Defiant
Level: 50
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Brave Bird
- Rock Slide
- Tailwind
- Sky Drop

Kommo-o @ Choice Specs
Ability: Overcoat
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 SpA / 4 SpD
Modest Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Clanging Scales
- Focus Blast
- Draco Meteor
- Flamethrower

Araquanid @ Safety Goggles
Ability: Water Bubble
Level: 50
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Atk / 4 SpA
Lonely Nature
- Liquidation
- Leech Life
- Wide Guard
- Poison Jab

Ninetales-Alola @ Light Clay
Ability: Snow Warning
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 252 SpA / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
IVs: 0 Atk
- Blizzard
- Protect
- Aurora Veil
- Freeze-Dry

Sandslash-Alola @ Icium Z
Ability: Slush Rush
Level: 50
EVs: 6 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Adamant Nature
- Icicle Crash
- Iron Head
- Earthquake
- Swords Dance

Marowak-Alola @ Thick Club
Ability: Lightning Rod
Level: 50
EVs: 244 HP / 252 Atk / 12 SpD
Adamant Nature
- Flare Blitz
- Shadow Bone
- Bonemerang
- Will-O-Wisp

>>30594284
>anti-meta team
>uses meta mons

>>30594343

The current meta is Tapu Koko/Gyarados/Celesteela core. Torkoal/Oranguru is also very popular. I'm not using any of those.

Obivously I'm not going to make a team with Ledyba and Lumineon.

>>30594540
Don't listen to the flamers. I'm curious on why you barely run protect at all on your team. Care to explain?

Trying to breed for HP is awful.

>>30594823
Basically, I just found that I was never using it so I switched it out for more moves.

>>30595151
This. Smart switching beats Protect spam any day.

Good wide guard users?

Also is Parting Shot still banned on cart? If yes, what are you guys using for Fake Out leads?

Best Tapu Koko counters?

>>30597282
Certainly not A-Dugtrio

>>30595482
You don't know how to play.

What do you guys this of this meta ass team http://pastebin.com/xFUzQtri idk about that porygon2 tho i saw someone post this i dont get why id run trick room when the rest of the 5 arent too slow

best ev for a pelipper modest?

>>30597559
Porygon2 can use trick room to get rid of it if your opponent sets it.

You might want to think about putting roar on Gyarados but I'm not sure what you would get rid of.

>>30571738
sure thing, until the january update comes along

So realistically with how ridiculously high the point cutoffs are this year they are going to hold more International scale VGC tournaments aren't they since Regionals aren't a thing anymore?

Because it'll be pretty fucking stupid if the one in London is the only one in UK, basically makes the Worlds inaccessible to anyone who can't afford to travel all over Europe. I've had too much work so there was no fucking chance I could get ready for London when the game only came out 2 weeks ago.

I've looked at the event locator on the official site for sanctioned events and all I see for UK after this is like only one event capped at like 16 entries.

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what's the most used set for celesteela?

>>30598238
substitute
protect
wide guard / Earthquake
Heavy slam

make sure attack is your highest stat, ect ect

>>30598279
who uses earhquake or wide guard in vgc 2017?
haven't you hear about the spread damage nerf of this gen?

>>30598330
because Dazzling Gleam is popular on Tapus

>>30597801
Taunt?

>>30598330
>haven't you hear about the spread damage nerf of this gen?

What?

>>30598498
Roar isn't necessary, but if you're not using taunt very often roar might be worth trying.

>>30598279
what the fuck

>>30598660
How is roar not worth it? It's the only reason I even started running Gyara. Roar always goes before trick room, and it goes through protect. Also taunt doesn't stop Z boost strats.

http://pastebin.com/03dHedMD

My magneton team is struggling against porygon2. Any ideas on how to fix it?

>>30598786
I knew about roar going through protect and before trick room, but taunt doesn't stop stat boosting Z moves? If that's the case, then roar is definitely better than taunt.

>>30598827
Remove scarf from Bulu and make it bulky

Any suggestions on EVs? IVs? With roar going through Protect and going before Trick Room I'll take it over Taunt on Gyara http://pastebin.com/x3suDNBN

>>30599300
Or natures

>>30597282
Marowak-A

>>30598827
>4 HP / 252 SpA / 212 Spe
>on Pelipper

Use the rest of your EVs.

What about Encore on Golduck instead of Soak?

>>30599565
Right, it used to have something defensive EVs but I removed them and forgot to set the speed back to 252.

Soak is there for fun, pretty much everything dies to soak + scarf bulu wood hammer.

Guys I'm not good at this can this get me somewere
Magnezone
HA
Relaxed

> 252 SpA / 252 Def / 4 SpD

>>30594284
How's the 1100s treating ya?

> Using USAbird
> Using Kommo-o
> Using A-Sandslash

It's shit.

Are there any possible replacements for Tapu Koko and Celesteela?

I got Sun and I don't want to SR until I get a 5IV perfect Tapu.

>>30599625
or is evolith Magneton better

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>>30597917
>Because it'll be pretty fucking stupid if the one in London is the only one in UK, basically makes the Worlds inaccessible to anyone who can't afford to travel all over Europe. I've had too much work so there was no fucking chance I could get ready for London when the game only came out 2 weeks ago.
Now you realize why everyone and their mom is pissed. High CP bar, small CP payouts, not enough events, very high entry costs, even more costs if you wanna travel around the world to the internationals.

They really dropped the ball this time. Pokemon has never been, not even pay2win because you can have all the money in the world to travel to every event and lose them all if you are shit at game, but play2pay if you truly wanna have a real chance to get to Worlds.

I wonder how's TCG getting organized this year. I've not heard or seen any complains so it's probably being ran nicely. VGC really is TCPi black sheep. I think that even Pokken of all things is being ran better than VGC.

>>30599625
try this instead

Magneton @ Eviolite
Ability: Magnet Pull
Level: 50
EVs: 4 HP / 4 Def / 212 SpA / 36 SpD / 252 Spe
Timid Nature
- Thunderbolt
- Hidden Power [Ground]
- Flash Cannon
- Protect

> shits all over celesteela
> HP ground is for xurkitree, marowak, and raichu
> 252+ lele psychic is a 1.6% chance to 2HKO
> bulu superpower is a 2HKO
> you survive all EQs under grassy terrain
> outspeeds adamant 252 speed gyarados by 1 point
> 59% to 2HKO a-marowak
> survives every single fire move in the rain except a-marowak's flare blitz, which is a roll
> why magneton over magnezone? it's faster, has better bulk, deals slightly less damage but still scores the same 2HKOs

>>30597917
internationals replace nationals. There will still be regionals.

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this meta

>>30588029
>Gamefreak nerfs paralysis, confusion, burn, Parental Bond, the -ate abilities, Dark Void and Sucker Punch
>they don't nerf the cancer that is Rock Slide
Let the Flinchfest begin, VGC18 will become even worse

>>30599821
Nationals still "exist" but they won't be organized by TCPi anymore, instead, they will have to be organized by people just like a Reg or Premier. They basically are up to the air until someone appears who wants to organize one, if someone ever appears at all.

>>30599900
Well meme'd my friend. Upvoted. Needs more epic god pachi.

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>>30599793
>> why magneton over magnezone? it's faster, has better bulk, deals slightly less damage but still scores the same 2HKOs
> It's also fucking awesome and not a stupid UFO

>>30599900
Doesn't really work here my shitposting buddy, you need to make a new thread with that image like you did a bunch of hours ago so more retards who have no idea how the meta works can see it.

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>>30599793
sounds nice will try I hope it wont take long to get HP ground

I wanted to try a Magne that uses the HA
Speed is too high

>>30599736
>I wonder how's TCG getting organized this year. I've not heard or seen any complains so it's probably being ran nicely.
From what I've seen from the support side of things it has proper cash payouts. The cash/prize/scholarship payouts are easily 2-3 times that of VGC with far more frequent and easily accessible events.

Which is already good but unlike VGC the TCG extends its payouts to top 32/64 depending on attendance so at least most people can make back their travel/entry costs if they don't totally shit the bed and they're decent sums of like $500/400GBP minimum.

VGC however the lowest the prize money will go is top 16 and that assumes you have a gorrillion participants, 227ish reduces the prize to a pitiful top 8.

http://www.pokemon.com/uk/play-pokemon/pokemon-events/pokemon-tournaments/international-championships/

Really when they label these as 'International' it gives me the impression they're going to just have one in each major country in Europe and call it a day.

>>30600274
I really should just do like Sejun and start playing TCG and just play VGC for fun. It's really not worth it.

>>30587577
>Pheromosa in VGC

aka
>Pheromosa used High Jump Kick!
>Sonichu used Spiky Shield!
>Pheromosa fainted!

even buzzwole is a better UB than it in VGC, keep her in singles

I wish Magearna were allowed. She'd easily be the best Pokemon in the format.

>>30600274
>>30600331
You need to keep in mind that building a TCG deck costs quite the money.

>>30600582
You can make money back by selling cards too. Specially if you sell the cards you get from the damn boosters and the damn boosters would actually be worth shit for you considering they are something you'll be using for your game.

Meanwhile in VGC? Congrats anon, he's your prize. A brand new 3DS! Because you obviously needed a new one!

>>30599900
I'm assuming whimsicott in Michael's team was an anti-trick room pick; what was Goodra doing in Jabberwocky's set?

>>30600166
> he doesn't inject

You're not a competitive player Anon. Either use showdown or inject. You'll be wasting too much time with breeding. There is literally no reason to breed. Why put yourself trough that torment?

>>30600636
goodra is pretty anti-meta

weather teams struggle with it, you can EV it to survive lele's moonblast, it's immune to leech seed, and it has a stupidly good movepool

>>30600636
For it's bulk and Sap Sipper for Bulus?

>>30600582
I'm aware but it's not like I'm asking for the same cash payouts for the VGC as TCG, just to extend them a bit further down.

>>30600635
This.

If they didn't want to give out pure cash they could just give booster packs to the lower ranks in VGC and let them sell them off to get some money back or even start playing the TCG?

>>30600635
I don't know how the pokémon one works, but I used to play other TCGs and you really do it mostly as a hobby because between updating the deck at every expansion and not being granted to win you'd be lucky if you'd get 70% of your money back. The only way to make a real profit would be to bulk buy expansion boxes with store discounts, open them and resell the rare stuff.

It's true that VGC either way it's pretty underwhelming though.
I personally feel that they should put more online tournaments at the very least, or reward the tops each month or something so people who can't travel all over the world have a chance to attend the bigger tournaments.

>>30600692
I'm not a competitive player and I can't inject I wont let myself and neither do I want.

>>30600692
You cant inject with the latest firmware???

>>30599793
>tfw trying to breed for HP Ground
Is it important?

>>30604031
yes or else Alolan Maro completely checks you