GUZMA THREAD: foodfight edition

Is he walking like that because the golf clubs fuck up his legs?

>>30238092
too soon m8
like literally, the thread just started

>>30238092
DELETE THIS!!!!!

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>>30238062
meme time

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How much did Guzma enjoy worshiping Lusamine's feet?

>>30238190
Please leave

>>30238190
That picture is horribly drawn.

That said Guzma would be the type to have a foot fetish.

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>>30238217
That's no way to speak to Mommy.

>>30238190
Guzma is pure and for Plumeria, not some manipulative skank who whores herself out for jellyfish.

>>30238259
J E L L Y F I S H S K A N K

>tried to write a fic where Guzma exhausts himself to the point of collapsing
>an enormous butterfly charges into my face and starts banging the ceiling and walls loudly and with great fury
They know. Also what the fuck it's icing outside and there's a red admiral awake in my house.

>>30238267
>Guzma is pure and for Plumeria
Nice fanon.

But the True Canon™ says otherwise.

>>30238300
its a fan of your work and it freaked out when it saw you

>>30238300
If you can get the butterfly to chill and let you finish the fic, mind sharing?

>>30238300
>Bugbro protecting his bro from your menacing pencil

Serves you right. Write a fluffy guzmeria fic as penance.

>>30238300
That fic would hurt me, anon.

>ywn drag exhausted Guzma to his huge bed and lie with him.
>ywn run your fingers through and gently fluff up his hair until he falls asleep.

>>30238338
You mean the one where Lustamine left Guzma for tentacles and got UB stds from it like the whore she is?

Plum is for Guzzy,
Lusamine is for dying a painful death and tentacles.

>>30238338
Did Guzma and Plumeria even share any screentime together?

I'd imagine the anime taking that spot and expanding on them.

>>30238392
that it were true, lil buddy, that it were true

>>30238392
When Guzzy disappears, Plum tells you to go save him. It's something.

>>30238378
I don't know why I'm so compelled to protect and comfort this loser thug but these sorts of things are where my mind gravitates too with this character. I think of him in a weirdly not-lewd way.

>>30238190
>>30238259
>>30238338
Stop shilling your shitty abuse ship, Dylan.

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what songs do you think guzma would listen to/suit him most?

Wait, hold on.

Are /we/ Plumeria? We want to protect him, occasionally fuck him, and be with him.

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>>30238457

>>30238460
>Listens to rap in public
>Listens to Pokemon's equivalent to squeaky J-pop in private

>>30238460
Bane Star

>>30238460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAXPU6Cdl4A
I can't help but think of Guzma when I listen to this.

>>30238460
Eminem, duh.

>>30238475
>0238475 ▶
>Wait, hold on.
Yes... we are. congrats.

>>30238539
Off to go touch our collective self then.

Yo, fags. Massage fic will be posted on AO3

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>>30238475
we are one with the plum
>>30238460
he tries to rap alphabet aerobics but he doesnt have the patience and stumbles over the words

>>30238573
Thanks for the heads up

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>>30238573
bless you based writefag <3

>>30238573
Do it. Do it and link.

>>30238573
You are doing god's work

>>30238460
He secretly loves Disney's Mulan.

This needs to be the soundtrack for Ultra Space
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8mhajaxo1E

>>30238646
>LETS GET DOWN TO BUSINESS
>TO CAPTURE
>THE BEASTS

>>30238460
This obnoxious fucker would love Pitbull songs.

He'd also listen to Get Back by Ludacris to get himself pumped up.

>>30238460
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTn3Mz6KT5c

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have this terrible sketch.

>>30238705
Kawaii desu

>>30238567
we can make sure to look for the prons first.

Also: http://archiveofourown.org/works/8658967

Here's your massage prons.

with love,
hex writefag

>>30238683
>LET'S GET DOWN TO BUISNESS
>TO BE THE
>BEST TRAINERS

>>30238721
Thanks man

>>30238739
No problem. I might do another later if I get catch one that has me inspired.

hex(maniac) writefag

>>30238460
joker and the thief
also the song "missed me" by the dresden dolls reminds me of plums
>>30238721
dankeschon miene liebling

>>30238424
>>30238417
Kinda funny how Team Skull is supposed to be "Tight" like a family, but it's so segregated in the way they showed their "Admins" and Leader.
Team Skull in itself feels like it's made up of three different groups, with two being actual parts of Skull.

Group 1:
>Guzma(while My Boi) appears and reveals that he's trying to appears as the Dominant person in the Story.
>Later feels like he's running the show by himself with only goal in sight being to seek approval from Lusamine.
Group 2:
>Plum barely appearing and associating with other members despite the Player beating so many of her "Brothers and Sisters" down, and only appearing to either Battle the Player or make a cameo.
Group 3:
>Gladion never really seems like an actual member of Team Skull.
>By the time when start diving into his story, it's always at the point where he helps you against them.

>>30238721
I've never craved a back massage as much as I do now. Bless your kind heart and soul.

>>30238721
Good shitto

>>30238802
Just doing my service as a sin writer! *lamely shoots finger guns and winks, falling of chair*

-hex writefag

>>30238786
oh well, they still tite
>>30238460
samefag, but i 'counting sheep' by safia reminds me of him kinda

>>30238062
What the fuck is the original game here? It looks so goddamn familiar.

>>30238854
Not game, it's a shitty movie called Foodfight

>>30238772
plums would totally love minaj's verse in monster

>>30238834
Well duh.
I just hate that they didn't do them Justice or use them fully.

Less Lillie, more Skull.

>>30238721
This was fucking cute, hex writefag. Good shit all around! I could easily picture what was going on and the dialogue suits them well.

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Flashbacks to ya boi meeting his new friend

>>30238906
Thanks, bruv.
Just leave a comment (any of you) if you want some ideas that you'd like me to try to take a crack at.
cheers,
hex writefag

>>30238931
Think he met him before or after starting Skull?

>>302389631
Yes. I need that shit... might write that shit??

hex writefag

>>30238963
>Guzma fights back towards his dad
>Runs away
>Meets his wimpod along the way
>"Heh..we'll both get strong together then, huh?"

>>30238963
I like the headcanon that he either had Wimpod or Spinarak before starting his Island Challenge. In the former's case, the idea it stood up to his dad after a particularly rough beating makes me happy.

>>30238963
I like to think his self esteem grew along with Wimpod and Wimpod evolving inspired him to go all out and start Team Skull.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLUc3JG3VG60MQoZ_ILZgo9kh3RBQIvrcs

I put all the songs mentioned in this thread into a Guzma playlist for easy listening.
For the people who mentioned artists, I just picked the first song that came up on youtube.

>>30239006
On the other end of the spectrum, I also like the idea of his father hurting Wimpod one time and that being what drives Guzma to finally beat the shit out of him and leave.

>>30231830
>"I want to destroy you."
>Straight, unwavering eyes
>"What a coincidence!"
>"I want to destroy you(r ass), too!"

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"Don't talk to me, nor my boi Guzma ever again"

Some OC for this thread. Sorry, I'm no professional drawfag, but I thought Goliospod holding a kid Guzma like that and protecting him from his dad is everything to me

>>30239292
CUTE CUTE CUTE
I love big protective Golisopod so much.

>>30239189
me too, sun
me too
>>30239292
mech goliisopod is best golisopod

I found a bunch of guzma lewd drawing anyone want them

>>30239391
Don't be selfish, anon

There they be
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>>30239391
You know where you are, right?

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>>30239391

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Is there anyone better than our main boy?

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>>30239478
__no

>Mfw my drawings are shit compared to the quality drawfags here
Just fuck me up senpai. Will I ever improve enough?

>>30239521
Just keep practicing, anon. Do it for your boy

>>30239521
I understand that feelin', Anon. But see, without us drawfags wouldn't have anyone to check out their sweet art and writefags wouldn't have any kudos on their work.

>>30239521
its ok, pal. barely any of us can draw either
its all in the P: practice, patience, persistance

How would you comfort Guzma after he had a nightmare about his father?

>>30239521
Practice drawing people every day. Consult Loomis and Guzma references.

>>30238721
Massage fic is my weakness, especially with tough guy characters like Guz. Thanks for this

>>30239621
I don't know, I'm still waiting on my boyfriend to comfort me when I have one about my own dad. :c

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Not directly Guzma related question

Are we supposed to believe these punk NPCs scattered throughout the islands before you finish the story are off-duty Skull Grunts or that they just coincidentally look the same because of lazy designers?

>>30239292
>>30239521
The one I drew was shit. I would love to see what you've done, a bit of criticism is good. helps you improve

>>30239521
Yeah I can't recommend Loomis enough. The character model sheet for Guzma was posted so you can study it. I don't recommend tracing, but draw over it and break it down into simpler shapes to help you get started. Those will be your building blocks. You can do it, anon. You better not Emergency Exit on me and keep practicing!

>>30239662
i think its a joke. the skull gang dont have the money for custom clothes so they have to make them themselves, thus they get the edgiest clothes they can and just paint the skull logo on it

>>30239662
No. They want you to know they're off duty Grunts. Two of them are even shown during the credits with Plumeria reaffirming this.

>>30239621
the massage fic
or make him some tapu cocoa and go late night bug hunting

>>30239621
Drink Tapu Cocoa with him and argue about which bug pokemon are best.

>>30239846
Get that nigga a Scolipede.

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Could someone translate the text?

>>30239521
same anon, I have to draw every day to improve but i never have enough energy it sucks
hardest shit is anatomy and perspective...really feels like i try to take bigger bites of the work then I should

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>>30239968
D E S T R O Y M Y P U S S Y. I DONT CARE IF IT LEAVES ME PARALYZED FROM THE WAIST DOWN

>>30239999
My problem are heads and finding my style.

>>30239999
oh shit quadruple 9's

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>>30240068
I mean style is hard..heads are too. art is just hard in general. I think styles are something you work on slowly.

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Your daily reminder that this exists.

>>30240141
I kept hoping for a female leader and I was hoping we'd get her this time. Lusamine counts I guess, but it's not the same when she's the shadow leader.

>>30240141
Oh sweet jesus, is this what girls feel like towards Guzma?

>>30240141
>Wanna see what destruction looks like?
Here it is in human form - it's your bae, Guzma!

>>30240260
Pretty much. Its fucking glorious.

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>>30240462
whew mama

>>30240444
Most honest name here desu
Good on you for not hiding it deathfaggot.

Also it's not the same because Girlzma isn't as imposing or tragic as Guzma.

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I want to sit on Guzma's lap. He is so huge, I bet you could sleep on him.

Which is the cutscene people though they saw him cry in

>>30240525
Be honest, anon. You just want to feel his bulge.

>>30240560
when lillie and the player confront lusamine in ultra space
it cuts to him sitting there, slowly dying. i personally didnt see any tears, but i was multitaking

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>>30240560
The one where they are in the Ultra Space and Lillie asks whether or not her mother cares for Guzma.

>>30240580
That too. He can dry hump any time.

>>30240580
>>30240627
>ywn grind on guzma's meaty dong
>ywn feel him grasp your hips and pull you down whilst he gyrates his hips under you
>ywn hear his husky breathing in your ear as he snakes his hand into your panties
why.
fucking.
liver.

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>>30240653
Oh yes.
>turn around to kiss him
>rub his member gently while he fingers you in one hand and playing with your breast with the other
Any reader x Guzma fics out there?

>>30240740
i only found one but its too ambiguous. plus theres no lewds
we have to take up the mantle

It's a lot later than I'm used to staying up anymore since I got a full time job, so this may not be too great and there is not even a hint of smut because I hate it, sorry, but I had this idea and had to write it out.

http://pastebin.com/M2azdvL2
Guzma getting his starter. Sorry it's a mess. If it's decent enough, I might rewrite, polish and officially post it somewhere, but for now, take this.

Goodnight, anons.

>>30239968
>Protagonist used Taunt!

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>>30240784
Good night and thanks for the fic anon

>>30240765
I see. Archive of our own wasn't it? I might write something today.

>>30240764
Sometimes I wish to silence him this way everytime he slouches up to me and talks about beating up this and that.

>>30240764
I'm glad that there is some of Guzma and Sun. I'm not upset that there's way more Guzma/Moon and Guzmeria, I just wish there were more homo

Imma write a lewd or two and put it on archive of our own sometime next week, the lack of fics, it's tragic

>>30240824
https://www.quotev.com/story/8466112/Pokemon-Guzma-X-Reader-Short/1 its this
i might write something based on this though
>>30240653

>Hey, you!
>He always gets so close when he does this. I wonder why??
>You asshole, what are you doing?!
>I thought maybe you were waiting to be kissed... Since your face was so close.
>Of course not! I was being intimidating, you dumbass!!!
i'm bored if you want stuff translated lmk

>>30240784
Holy shit this is so cute. You've gotta write more for us sometime!

>>30240907
>>30240764
classic forgot to link

Idk but this song makes me think of guzma
https://youtu.be/X5yUoPwSedo

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>>30240858
Same.

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>>30240863
>>30240867
Thanks for the link.
Sounds good.

>>30239521
I don't think there's such thing as "good art", what someone thinks of your art is subjective. I think what matters the most is that you're having fun drawing and sharing your visions with the world

>>30238092
That's not how bones work.

I'm going to sleep, someone make a new thread when this one closes up.

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>>30241073
>suddenly remember that there is a little yellow swing close to Guzma's house
Aww.

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>>30241089
Ok.
Good night anon, thanks for threads.

Is it true that in the japanese version of the game that it's pretty much confirmed that his dad used to beat him?

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>>30241130
It's heavily implied, yes.

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>>30241164
we need more small guz

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>>30241164
Where can adopt one?
>>30241202
Yes, we do.

whAT IS TH THING WITH THIS GUY?

>>30241218
Who's that?

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>>30241240
hes hot

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>>30241240
He is an enigma.
>>30241241
Looks like Ghetsis.

>>30241290
Delet this

>>30241296
Ah he looked familiar but I couldn't pinpoint it.

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>>30241314

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>>30241202

>>30238190
No but I bet he loved drinking her piss

Can you rematch him in the post game or is it a one time fight?

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Unf.

>>30241261
>>30241296
so... there are girls here or just femanons?

>>30241405
d a d d y

>>30241386
You can fight him once on the beach and then have him as opponent or partner in the Battle Tree.

>>30241423
faggots, obviously.

>>30241434
All three probably.

>>30241434
>faggots
>>30240065
girls just wanna have fun, man

>>30241434
i thought girls play pokemon

>>30241497
>femanons

>>30241423
>>30241434
>>30241551
who cares, we all want guzma's peen

I know we all like guzmeria, but please consider the following:

Nanu/Plumeria.

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>>30241611
i just want to be his friend desu

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Guzma is a restless sleeper. No wonder he needs the whole bed for himself.

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>>30241820
does he let his bug bros snuggle too?

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Im off to work. Have a good day my dudes.

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>>30241914
hope you have a good one too!

>>30241914
Have a good work day.
>>30241841
Probably.
>>30241904
Good.

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>>30242228
i wonder what he saw when the UB posessed him?
i wonder what it did to show him "true fear"

Why is this nigga so popular

>>30242329
Because.

>>30242329
see >>30241261
also hes a wigger

>>30242299
I like how everytime you try to take a picture of Guzma when he has a meltdown, it turns to this shaky unclear mess.
Probably it showed him what he feared the most.

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i cant believe primarina fucking slaughtered him

>>30242329
pretty sure this type of shit happened with N too

>>30242419
Are his Pokemon weak to water? And fairy I guess?
>>30242486
>Having malasada crumbles on his face
Cute.

>>30241611
ok this is a nice and comfy thread

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>>30242329
Gee, I wonder.
I think it's one of those things you won't understand on the first glance. Like people say this dude looks hot and I'm like ???, but I guess he looks weirdly attractive. Also interesting clothing choice. Bug mainer, don't remember many if any of them, much less a team Boss. Has a little story to elaborate him further and understanding why they way he is the way he is. Also the fact that he turns himself better at the end of the game and the start of the post-game.
For me, he became likable after I got to know him a little better. That trailer gave him a weong impression entirely.

>>30240653
>>30240740
i really wanna write some lewds around this with plumeria and guz, but i dont know how to start it off
it would need to happen in his big boss chair though

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>>30240141
>>30240234
>>30240260
>>30240441

>>30242615
all are welcome to the bone rattling

>>30242723
It just doesn't roll off the tongue like "it's ya boi" does.

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Quick draw
becuse I love protective Golisopod too

>>30242723
well now i need to see her naked. it looks great

Where do you get the Team Skull outfit ingame? I'm currently at the Elite 4.

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>>30242894
So cute, anon! I really like the way you color

>>30242951
Thanks anon.

>>30242894
great stuff

YA BOI = BEST BOI

>>30242928
you can get the shirt if you go back to the pokecenter in Po town post-game

>>30242659
What I do is read fics I like and vanilla doujins for inspiration.
>>30242894
It's lovely, anon!
>>30242723
Great job, I liked the female Guzma design.

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>>30242928
It's a post game clothing.

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>>30243105
i need something for them to bicker about withou being too dramatic

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Parappa the Rapper X Pokemon when?

>>30243264
Would it be something like clothing related or Guzma lending Plumeria's eyeshadow or something without her permission?

>>30243540
Real tough guys drink hot chocolate.

>>30243554
my friends think im weird for getting it at starbucks but its better than coffee, guzma has excellent taste

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>>30243617
I don't like coffee either. It's hot chocolate or frappucino.

>>30243665
i dont even know what a frappucino is desu

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Help, I can't stop collecting fan-art of our boy. More Guzma 3DS themes when?

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>>30243695
Kind of milkshake tasting cold drink.
>>30243708
I know anon. But I like that there is new art almost every day to be found.
Guzma 3ds theme would be dope.

>>30242551
> Are his Pokemon weak to water? And fairy I guess?
It's a reference to the Deatklok song Murmeider

>>30243767
that sounds good, imma get that next time i go. ty anon

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>>30243812
Ohhh, ok.
>>30243813
No prob.

>>30243836
SO CUTE

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>>30243844
Isn't it?

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>>30243862

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>>30238190
>>30238259
Fuck off ultraskank
Guzma is for Chicken-chan and Chicken-chan only

>>30239968
Something about "protagonist is really -something-".
No idea what はっした is supposed to be in this case.

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>>30243970
Guzma isn't a pedophile.

>>30244097
Nevermind, I'm retarded. It's as >>30240790 says.
主人公は挑発した。
The protagonist taunted/provoked.

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>>30244244
I wish we could take pictures in general, not just from Poke Spot.

>>30238705
Adorable!!

>>30238931
Too cute!!

>>30238705
Qt. Nice Guzma-cosplay.

>>30239033
https://youtu.be/C8HNEJzdxrU

>>30239292
This is adorable!!

>>30239437
Oh my god I'm in a crowded parking lot and happened to open these. These are great.

>>30239478
Adorable too! He is best boi!
>>30239521
I love seeing everyone's stuff, even if someone isn't as experienced.

>>30240462
Blushing intensly

Gaijin goozma

>>30240740
Seconding

>>30244981
I LIKE
BIG
GOOMS AND I CANNOT LIE

>>30238062
Okay, so Guzma's bed has three pillows. Do you threesomes with his grunts?

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>>30240260
>tfw bi

Man, Guzma really disappointed me. I thought this was going to be the gen where story would actually have some substance but Guzma just appears for two minutes a few times to say uncalled for catchphrases and briefly talk about beating people up.

At least his music is great though.

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>All this limp wristed faggotry
Someone like Guzma would break your jaw if you showed him this kind of pity

>>30245839
(You) again.

>>30245779
golisopod is definitely my favorite new mon

>>30245901
Someone else thinks the same as me? Cool

>>30239662
Team skulls are made of punks, so they aren't necessarily with skull, they could be random punks

Where do i learn more about /our/ boy in game?

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So I've occasionally seen this ship around and I'm somehow getting the impression that only one or two anons on the whole board care about it. Prove me wrong/right.

>>30246143
The house with the swing on route 2.

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>>30241202
This artist always draws the cutest small Guzmas.

>>30241405
Delicious!

>>30240740
Are we talking about lemon shit or just fluff? I can try to do the former but I'm more experienced with the latter.
Special request came up for crybaby Guzumo, fags.

hex writefag

>>30243268
I'm so glad someone did this! I was gonna draw it, but didn't know if a lot of people would understand the reference.

>>30247045
Don't mind me asking but what is lemon shit?
>>30247060
I used to play Parappa a lot when I was kid. I recognized the reference instantly.

>>30247227
Lemon: when all the dick and puss is yours.

hex writefag

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Bromley is not a good name.

>>30247227
fanfic terminology that's gone out of use
lemon= fucking
lime= like blowjobs and shit
not sure why that started anyway

>>30247227
I am obsessed with rhythm games, and PaRappa was my first game that I've ever played and was good at back when it came out. So love that shizz.

>>30247366
Maybe some bonehead was obsessed with getting enough vitamin C or really loved Sprite.

>"One of the photos shows a tall boy clasping his island challenge amulet with the clear glow of pride."

As sad as this seems to be it's pretty cute that Guzma had always been tall ever since he was a kid, you'd think other kids around his age confuses him for someone a bit older than him back in the day

>>30240141
This is a good quality edit but I honestly think it's a little too cute for Guzma. With his big nose, baggy eyes, and massive jaw he's hardly the traditional definition of handsome, so a female version should look equally offbeat rather than having the typical anime girl heart-shaped face and tiny nose.

>>30247357
it's better than Motherfucking Tracy
>and then Tali
>isn't that a girls name?
what were the translators smoking?

>>30247357
Like, just call him Guzma, I don't get it. They get their name from the same source it's just Bromley sounds like shit.

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>>30239437
>those thick, thick thighs in the first one

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>>30247357
German for Bromeliaceae, the family that contains Guzmania)

also...

Italian Guzman From Guzmania and Anastasio Guzmán (which Guzmania is named after)
Spanish Guzmán From Guzmania and Anastasio Guzmán

>>30247942
They called him Bromley because Bromley is the German name of the Guzmania flower he's named after.

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>>30247962
Had too, sorry.

>>30247988
That's why I said it was the same source, it comes from Bromeliaceae which is the family that Guzmania comes from. Can any Germanfags confirm this: does Bromley sound better than Guzma?

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Someone posted this 1~2 threads ago, did someone end up translating it? can someone translate it?

>>30248558
it was something like guzma telling sun that he'll destroy him, and sun saying he'll destroy guzma's ass

>>30248558
>>30239189

>>30248917
>>30248654
as if Lusamine isn't already destroying that ass on a nightly basis

>>30248654
>>30248917

uhh... Thank you.

>>30248968
Get out.

>>30248968
Can you not.

>>30248968
Get out

>>30248968
Nice

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>tfw abusive parents
>guzma's backstory and abuse implications
>already had a crush on his character
>now I want to sit in his lap and cry

>>30248968
Get the fuck out

>>30248968
Lusamine is a tentacle slut, desu fampai

>>30248968
hot

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>>30249163
>>30249032
the blatant samefagging is crushing.

>>30248968
Lusamine is fucking dead. Have some respect.

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>>30246447
maybe I'm just one of the two anons, but I think it could be an interesting pair

>>30249494
they can talk all day about the right swing and the left swing

Your boy destroyed my ass the first time we met in Malie, fuck man. Hate him!

Ariados being a threat??? Never have I thought I would see the day. Golisopod itself is a monster.

Why is his theme and all of team skull for that matter so fucking based.

>>30249305
I'm not the person who said nice though

>>30249076
When you have that relation, right? Damn.

>>30249885
I want Guzma to destroy me! Right now! In a very intimate manner!!!
He seems like the type who'd call me babygirl and oh lord my knees

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>>30249950
would guzma want you to call him daddy?

>>30250022
SIGN ME UP OH MY GOD

>>30247357
I don't think it's that bad of a name, it just doesn't fit his character. Guzma feels a lot better

>tfw sick
>tfw guzma will never take care of you and bring you tissues/tea
i feel like i'm cheating on my actual husbando

>>30250022
Sometimes and other times he wants you to call him your good boy while he's on his knees with his face between your legs and looking up at you with eyes desperate for approval.

>>30249950
I want this.

>>30250197
my actual husbando is jealous of Guzma now and hates him. If he's allowed waifus, then I'm allowed Guzma, damnit to freaking heck!!

>>30250336
Never in my life have I wanted the power to destroy someone with just a word or a look like I have now.

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>>30250336
>wanting a submissive guzma
>not being a submissive gushing mess yourself
I can't relate but I respect your taste

I might make some DIY Guzma charms, since there aren't really any to buy at the moment. Considering selling some if I make a lot, but dunno if my style is catchy enough for others to want it. Just want to contribute to there being more Guzma merch. Anyone know if it's super-easy to make a charm yourself on the cheap (drawing, not clay)?

new thread here:
>>30250756