How do we fix Stealth Rocks?
As it is, Rocks are a must in any team, which puts tons of Pokemon at a huge disadvantage, some even going down tiers because they can't deal with the sneaky pebbles.
But how can we fix the move? Lower the damage? Change it to a set amount of damage instead of having it capable of being 4x SE?
Give more opportunity to remove them.
Like more distro on Rapid Spin, and have another move remove them from the field too; you could even give it to Flying types to help deal with their weakness to it. Maybe throw the effect on an old useless move. Then Sneaky Stones would be alright.
Rocks don't need nerf. It's not like smogon was able to ban problematic mons. Just leave these poor rocks alone. They are one of the many proof that this game is impossible to balance but shhh
Honestly, I'd say just reduce the damage values in half. Neutral goes from 1/8 down to 1/16, 1/4 down to 1/8, etc. Passive damage is a great tool to have, but I'd hardly call 50% free damage "passive." Sure, the 4x super victims would still be taking a 1/4 damage, but that's way more manageable and a little more balanced, IMO.
>tfw when i suggested this a year ago and everyone hated it.
I don't know why anyone would hate the idea. It would give people more incentive to use rock types, and they're already rare enough as it is so it's not like it would make stealth rocks useless.
Eh, Toxic is fine
What I'd prefer they do is just make toxic poison (the status condition) exclusive to Poison-type Pokemon.
When they use Toxic, or any move that inflicts poison, it should inflict toxic poison.
When any other type uses Toxic, or a move that inflicts poison, it should inflict regular poison.
As it is now it fucks over anything weak to Rock instead of just fucking over those immune to all other entry hazards as it should. It should do 25% to Flying, Levitate users and Air Balloon holders and 6.25% to everything else.
It's too late, Game Freak has balanced the game with rocks in mind.
You think it'll make your "bros" viable, but in reality you're going to see even more Talonflame and Dragonite.
>yfw stealth rock was released almost 10 years ago and /vp/ is still shitposting about it
>half the damage!!!
Dumb as fuck, if there were any damage nerf it should be for the base to be 1/12 instead of 1/8. Goes up to 1/3, which is actually a sizeable chunk of health for Pokemon like Talonflame, and down to 1/48th
>only hurts flying units
>always hits for 25% HP
There, balanced. In exchange for immunity to other hazards, only on move is needed to do max damage and it doesn't harm the grounded Pokémon, making it less viable as a slap it on everything move.
Only hurting Flying-types/Levitate users would make sense.
I mean, the move's description even says:
>The user lays a trap of levitating stones around the opposing team.
They're not ordinary rocks, they're floating rocks.
>some go down to lower tiers
Hahahaha I kind of don't want this meme to die, people being stupid is so fucking funny
There has literally never been a Pokemon shifted down a tier purely because of rocks. Articuno, Moltres, Delibird, any Bug Flying, they all suck (with the exception of venomoth, who runs the 2nd best quiver dance set in the game after volc, who is still top tier viable despite the 'crippling' SR weakness). Face it, niggers, stealth rock forces Charizardfags and Talonfags from centralizing the meta, it quicken games and adds an overall new layer for the meta, and it's one of the few reasons why this meta is really good and dynamic.
>but waaaaah too OP lower the damage or make rock types remove them
Admittedly not bad solutions, but there's no problem in the first place.
>Moltres is still bad without rocks
>125 sp atk plus decent bulk and speed
>Easy switch in to Zard, Clef, Heatran, Metagross, Scizor and more
>SubRoost + Will I Wisp
Smh baka desu senpai
90 speed isn't decent, dude, that's really low for a sweeper for this meta. And it's not bulky, the fuck you on about? And how does it easily switch into anything you listed bar Metagross and Scizor? The rest it loses to.
Yes, run Substitute/Roost/Will O Wisp/high attack power move, sounds like a great set. All Moltres can do is just use high power inaccurate bullshit in order to dent things and dies to any bulky water or any Pokemon that can easily weather relatively weak special attacks. And U Turn doesn't make something,good FOH Nigga
Face it, gay firebird sucks dick
This, yeah. And seeing that these same people tend to cry about Smogon's evasion hate, itd be perfect.
>why are SR so evil? I run shit moves like Aerial Ace and Shock Wave to deal with the completely fair evasion, why am I forced to run Defog or Rapid Spin!!!!?!
Only thing that's missing now is the "just play around it xD" meme. What, Mega Lucario effortlessly obliterates whole teams, because it has the strongest Close Combat in game? Lel, just use Volcarona, solid counter xD
>Target becomes infatuated, tormented and taunted for 2-3 turns
Even without the infatuation part Mesprit would become the greatest stallbreaker in existence. I love this idea.
>mfw sneaky pebbles were the one thing that saved my ass from Red
Based Steelix is based