Pokemon Z was tentatively planned for a 2015 holiday release almost immediately after (or during) X and Y wrapped up development in keeping with the annual release schedule, but comparatively poor reception to ORAS forced them to rethink this strategy and spend more time on development.
At this point it was slated for an early 2016 release, and development of tie-in material (anime, etc.) was scheduled to coincide with the release of the new game. But since then, GF central has gone radio silent, which leads me to suspect something fucked up on the game development front and it's probably been internally pushed back to sometime later this year, but this setback happened too late to delay/alter the anime and other tie-in material, which continues to release on its original schedule.
This is why the anime is introducing new forms and using "Z" in its advertising, and why Corocoro showed off Mega Zygarde so early, etc., because GF probably planned on having Pokemon Z out on store shelves sometime in February/March, before whatever this setback was occurred.
>>25064126 >Pokemon Z was tentatively planned for a 2015 holiday release almost immediately after (or during) X and Y wrapped up development in keeping with the annual release schedule, but comparatively poor reception to ORAS forced them to rethink this strategy and spend more time on development.
Why do you retards keep thinking that Z was delayed? They take a year off in every generation to work on the final game + start working on the engine for the next gen, nothing was fucking delayed.
>>25064216 >They take a year off in every generation to work on the final game + start working on the engine for the next gen, nothing was fucking delayed.
But how often does the series spend over half a year having the anime, manga spin-offs, and arcade game adapting a new entry that wasn't even announced yet? I can't blame people for thinking something weird is going on.
>>25064126 There was no poor reception to the game. It sold amazingly well and was critically well received. A tiny vocal minority on an imageboard for sexual deviants incessantly bitching about a "removed feature" that the mainstream never cared about does not constitute "poor reception".
The delusion from this board is fucking palpable sometimes.
ORAS already sold over 10 million. That and while I doubt it will reach the numbers of HGSS (Over 12 Million units sold https://www.nintendo.co.jp/ir/en/sales/software/ds.html), it may take FRLG's spot (which while I couldn't find a source people would be happy with, I think FRLG also sold around 10 million).
That and you also have to consider that ORAS isn't as old as FRLG and HGSS. ORAS still being the most recent Pokemon game could get a sales bump (though I don't think it will be much).
>>25064531 They sold worse than either of the previous remakes, which sell fewer units than the typical paired versions to begin with. Pokemon will always make lots of money by virtue of being pokemon, but worse than average sales do not translate to "amazingly well"
>>25064531 But it wasn't "just" a tiny minority. The game got critically panned in Japan. The Japanese have a wiki with a page dedicated only to listing everything that was wrong with ORAS, and another page dedicated to listing everything that was wrong with Zinna. Yes, it was that bad. The game also failed to capture the hearts of a new generation seeing how Yokai Watch 2 outperformed ORAS in sales and was the highest selling game in Japan that year.
Critic reviews arent reliable, especially not for Pokemon games. ORAS got initially good reviews from the fans, even here on /vp/, but the magic of Pokemon lies in it's lasting appeal, and ORAS had none thanks to how gutted everything was. This is something that only kicked in after 2-3 months after the initial hype finally died off, and only got worse with time. This is why you have so many "ORAS sucks"' threads now, or rather had seeing as even /vp/ got bored of shitposting about it non stop. Seeing how dead this board is nowadays I doubt most even touch the game now.
Generation VII hopefully better take place in Russia or somewhere better. Also exoect another reboot just like generation 3 and 5 did. Germany would be a bad due to the current situation right now. In fact, the language selection on the pokedex features Japanese,French,and English? I have a feeling the next region might be Italy,Korea,or Spain. Unless Masuda visited Germany earlier before the crisis began in Europe,consider himself lucky.
You're the most stupid person that i have read today. Or you're baiting, in which case, i'll bite
There WAS a poor reception, even in japan, about the game. The whole fanbase is divided in half who were disgusted with the false publicity, and the other half who didn't even care to begin with. The backlash reception from japanese players DID cause ripples in their market, to the point that a lot of people sold their ORAS games for refund. Yes, they sold 10m but then they had potential loss due to used cart sales.
Right now, GF has an uphill battle, and this silence is because they are preparing something to compensate the loss of confidence from a lot of fans.
Why do you think they are giving away so many pokemon this year? This is not because of the 20th anniversary, otherwise they would only give mewtwo, mew and pikachu, like 10 years ago.
They are preparing things for damage control. The fact that people like you are so fucking contrarian for the sake of shitposting just disgust me.
>>25064626 I see. I have my doubts ORAS will surpass that.
Though we als have to keep in mind on what consoles the remakes are released on. FRLG was released on the GBA, which ended up selling around 81 million. HGSS was released on the DS, which is the best selling gaming handheld of all time with around 151 million units sold. ORAS was released on the 3DS which now stands around 54 million units sold.
>>25064833 Gamefreak didn't make Pokemon Shuffle. Genius Sonority did. As for Pokemon Go, Niantic is making that mainly though they have help from Nintendo and the Pokemon Company (and Google also invested a lot of money into Pokemon Go). Junichi Masuda is presumably making the music for Pokemon Go.
Anyway, I do agree that the mobile market is a factor for the sales of the main series Pokemon games.
>>25064786 Yes, but the current Pokemon fanbase is fairly unchanging in its size. I'd speculate that about 8-10 mln sales of Pokemon games come from the so called "core" fans of the series. Much like the Monster Hunter fanbase, the core Pokemon fans will buy anything that has a Pokemon game on it regardless of the current trends and fads in electronics. It's safe to assume that most of the same people that bought HGSS and FRLG migrated over to 3DS just as usual. It doesn't really matter if the handheld sells 50 mln or 120 mln in that case since you can bet those 8-10 million fans will always be there to buy a new Pokemon game.
In short, Nintendo really has stuck a goldmine on us, we're probably their most loyal and devoted customers.
>>25064901 If you give me some time to dig through the achieves, sure. You might have to wait a couple of hours though since I'm going to bed now. Or I might actually drag my ass to the laptop and do a quick search in a moment if I'm in a good enough mood, I'll see.
>>25064126 >and development of tie-in material (anime, etc.) was scheduled to coincide with the release of the new game
That's the weirdest part. We've had so much Zygarde promotional material in the anime, and none of it is being used in the current games.
It really does seem like they delayed the next installment of pokemon main games. Either because they felt a third game it didn't work, or because they wanted to focus on Pokemon Go and Pokken as the 'next big releases' for 2016.
I mean, why advertise so much Zygarde stuff now, when there's no game? It doesn't make any sense.
>>25065205 >Zygarde won't be getting a game >Why let a super legendary go to waste Might as well have said, "Hurr durr I'm a retard" Zygarde would be a waste if they whored out to advertise him just to sell some merchandise. They're whoring him out now to build hype for his upcoming game by your own argument
>>25064700 I really hope this has some truth to it. I'm not saying it or any shit floating around the internet that isn't backed by solid facts is true, I'm just saying I hope. If this were true and GF realized they fucked up, and want to do better and regain old popilarity and praise, there's a chance they're going all-out to make the next game(s) taking there time. ORAS will be worth it if it's what made them realize, "hey we need to make a great fucking game again." It's all speculative shit but I'm hoping.
>>25065697 >tretta or TCG >relevant Yep they're totally pushing zygard so hard because everyone's so into it coming out on those shit formats. Sure, they're a part of pokemon, but that's like speculating the reveal of zygard complete is for the next mystery dungeon. Not mainline=not why they're doing it.
>>25064484 HGSS sold over 12 millions in 6 years ORAS sold nearly 11 millions in 10 months(!!!)
Hows that for a lowest selling remake..?
Also for people who think the game was delayed because the anime is going.
We still dont know almost ANYTHING about Zygarde forms. The only other thing we've learned since the September reveal is that Blue core exists and will fall into Flare hands. Thats it. We've barely scratched the surface, the whole story is still before us.
Same with Ash-Greninja. 5 months after the reveal and we havent even seen him properly in the anime, just covered in water or a few seconds
The whole anime promotion barely started so it doesnt seem to me like they delayed anything
>>25067650 Those sales aren't linear. The typical game is going to make almost all of its sales in its first year, and the copies sold afterwards are going to be either used games (not counted) or games that are already part of a retailer's inventory (already counted)
>>25067720 You're forgetting HGSS wasnt a worlwide release while ORAS was. Still, almost 11 millions in 10 months is amazing number, especially when you think how great sales DS had and how not-so-great sales 3DS has
>>25064650 You know any game with a decent hate base there gets wikis dedicated to how shit they are right? Sometimes it's totally deserved like Tales of Zestiria and sometimes it's just autism like the Etrian Odyssey Untold games
>>25067821 Pretty much. Excise Zinnia and Delta Dpisode from the story and I'd honestly say ORAS has the most enjoyable Pokemon story.
Also the comment earlier about ORAS having no lasting power sums up how I feel about it. I enjoyed maingame a ton while it lasted but once you hit postgame you realize how hollow a lot of the game is and there's no drive to really do what little there is left.
>>25068097 Except they were never forced to prematurely launch a full blown marketing and merch machine way before the actual game got released (let alone confirmed). It's fucking obvious they had an entire Zygarde hype machine ready for launch and were forced to go with it anyway because they didnt have much of a choice. They even had to retcon what was likely a Zygarde centered TCG set because of this delay. This is NOT normal no matter how you like to twist it.
>>25068099 >considering the tears of a peripheral demographic: adult fans Its their main demographic now ever since Yokai Watch killed any interest for Pokemon among the younger audiances and there are numerous reports to confirm it.
>>25068140 Not him but from what I've seen the main demographic now is a mix of half adults and half kids They do seem to be trying to make their games appeal to both sides now as well though mostly casuals for Gen 6
>>25068145 making something appeal to a peripheral demographic does not make them a primary demographic.
kamen rider shows have kids as their primary demographic, but choose to cast attractive young men that appeal to their young mothers in order to get them to watch the shows with their kids. They still aren't the primary demographic, and certainly wouldn't buy any of the hundreds of toys that get churned out every year for themselves.
>>25068147 just tossing out a random number mate. Adult fans are still a ridiculous minority compared to kids, and kids are capable of being fans of multiple franchises - they certainly have the time for it anyway.
>>25068126 >Except they were never forced to prematurely launch a full blown marketing and merch machine way before the actual game got released (let alone confirmed). It's fucking obvious they had an entire Zygarde hype machine ready for launch and were forced to go with it anyway because they didnt have much of a choice. They even had to retcon what was likely a Zygarde centered TCG set because of this delay. This is NOT normal no matter how you like to twist it.
Tell me then: what do we know about Zygarde formes and Zygarde lore? NOTHING
The entire season is called XY&Z and Zygarde is joining the anime time for a long time, probably the entire season, not for 10-20 episodes.
The entire campaign was planned to be a long one. The fact that after 3 moths of new season we still dont know anything about Zygarde or Ash-Greninja proves that they're going for a long run
>>25068161 >Tell me then: what do we know about Zygarde formes and Zygarde lore? NOTHING Uhh, pretty much all of the relevant stuff? We know their designs, the number of forms, the fact that the forms change based on the number of cells Zygarde contains, the existance of 2 cores, its role in stopping Xerneas and Yveltal from fucking over the ecosystem. What else is there to know other than purely gamey stuff such as base stats, which is something that never gets revealed before the release anyways?
My guess is that they're putting Z out there so heavily so that people expect it, and are more surprised when that's not what we get.
X2/Y2 with the 2's stylized to look like Z's, Red/Blue Zygarde cores each have a different 100% form that act as the mascots of the games, post-game campaign involving both in which they fuse together to make the "Complete" Zygarde, which opens its mouth to reveal the original "Ultimate Weapon", AZ's version is a mimic of Zygarde's.
But seriously what we ultimately get probably isn't going to be half as cool as what I just laid out for you.
>>25068198 Probably more than you can imagine. How does Zygarde 100% work? Whats his ability? Stats? Attacks? How come two cores have different opinions when it comes to humans (one hates them and wants them to die, the other one ihas the opposite opinion). Etc
We know basics, the same basics they revealed in September and nothing more.
>>25068217 No, i agree with you., Im sure they will surprise us but that doesnt mean its not going to be good.
The mere fact that we have TWO cores and TWO 50% Zygardes is enough to amke me believe there will be some sort of twist when the announcement will be made (not to mention one core wants to destroy humans, the other one dont)
>>25068241 >Though Diamond and Pearl were expected to be released in Japan by 2005, Nintendo revealed that the developers were still working on aspects of the gameplay and that the games would not be released until 2006
>>25068296 That makes it all that more likely that Z got an unexpected delay considering they're keeping their traps shut about it.
I wonder what might that have been though, assuming we rule out the fan backlash. Some N3DS only features? Amiibo? GameFreak finally pulling their heads out of their asses and reducing the insane number of polygons on Pokemon models?
-Its the first time when a powerful legendary has become full-time member of the anime team -Its the first time when a legendary got an entire season centred around him -the anime story is slowly just getting started, its obvious it'll take several months to reach any climax
Yes they started the campaign early but its supposed to be a long one so the Zygarde hype isnt going anywhere, it will continue most likely through the entire 2016 so it wasnt a delay just a long campaign with an extra build up
>20th anniversary celebrations >Go >Pikachu detective game, which would be the first Pokemon spinoff developed by GF themselves if it ever comes out >they no longer solely focus on the Pokemon series, they've released 3 non-Pokemon games in the last 3 years >also a big one, Gen 7 has almost certainly started development at this point
tl;dr: they can't make it in the same dev cycle as the last few games because they have a ton of shit on their plate atm
Harmoknight and Tembo are actually ok games btw. Don't buy them at full price though.
>>25067843 Posts like this make me remember when myself and a few other posters had this same complaint early on, but most of these faggots were on about muh metagame and how most of the fun in Pokemon is the online experience anyway.
Hope they eat shit. I've ALWAYS found the main game+post game way more fun than the fucking metagame and I bet many other players feel the same too.
>>25064434 I don't think so. They would have announced it by now, like everything else they announced already. Unless they announce some kind of immediate launch, but I don't think that's a smart move.
>>25064531 >the delusion from this board is fucking palpable
I doff my cap to thee, good sir.
X and Y may have sold well, but you can tell parts of the game were underdeveloped. They're great games, but their lack of soul and what I consider to be a very weak soundtrack with only a few standout hits leaves a bitter tadte in my mouth.
>>25069421 This. >Movie comes out to tie ORAS and XY together. >AZ's Floette is the star >Floette and Volcanion are distributed to ORASXY >Masuda: "Fans got a lot of interesting stuff this year, like a 20 year old game, a game for a console nobody has, another shit movie, cards that nobody plays and they have access to every single Pokemon in their ORASXY games :)" There won't be a Z.
I think that we will get FRLG remakes and that the gen1 vc releases are appetizers. While I'd rather have waited a generation since gen6 lacked so much in pokemon variety, since they most likely will still put a geodude in every cave and a magikarp in every river. I won't leave my expectations too hgih. Though financially rereleasing the console games was a bad move, a lot of people would've paid 40 bucks for a remake, now their thirst is sullened with just the VC games
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