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>>25002577

Does anybody actually play CAP? I don't think I've ever seen a battle going on.

I like that CAP went from "this is a strong bug/ice mon" to "this is a great scout" to "this mon was designed to btfo literally everything" to "we should make smeargle but with better stats, better typing, and a better ability" and so on

>>25003233
is your idea for a cap "we should make an unusable shitmon"?

>>25002591
I used to play CAP pretty often and was actually pretty good at it, getting up to the 2100s. That's one of the only formats I'm truly good at, I'm garbage at OU.

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Abilities:
Base - Regenerator / Mold Breaker
Mega - Magic Guard
Stats:
Base - 106 HP / 105 Atk / 65 Def / 75 SpA / 85 SpD / 104 Spe
Mega - 106 HP / 135 Atk / 75 Def / 85 SpA / 125 SpD / 114 Spe

>>25002577
It's trash, just like every Smogon CAP.

Looks a mess as almost all of them

>>25002577
Told you loli slime waifu would have won.

>>25002577
I didn't occur to me Magic Guard prevented recoil damage, holy shit that's broken as fuck.

>>25005159
The point of CAP isn't what you probably think it is. What they try to do each time is create a pokemon with a specific typing to fill in some sort of niche.

Rock/Poison would be an awful typing under regular circumstabces, so here they were trying to see if they could make a pokemon with that typing that could make the best of it.

It's basically the exploration of possibilities within a meta.

i wanna stick my dick in her goo pot

>>25005161
That's because none of the Pokemon with Magic Guard would ever benefit from using a recoil move, especially now that Clefable doesn't even get STAB on Double-Edge anymore, so you can't make a Belly Drum meme set.

>>25002577
Wasn't Mollux supposed to be the "bad typing but not shitty" mon?
Oh well. The design doesn't look like a pokemon but who cares as long as you can waifufag it or cutefag it or w/e and its abilities + stats + movepool are ridiculous.

>>25002591
I think 2 or 3 people do.

>>25003233
Smeargle learns Sketch more than once, anon.

>>25005341
>Smeargle learns Sketch more than once, anon

Smogon seems to conveniently forgotten heart scales exist. If they're gonna create Pokemon, they ought to at least try to abide by the pre-established rules.

Also,

>I GOT PEARL WHEN I WAS SIX

>>25005313

now thats what a call i sticky situation xD

>>25005454
When Necturna was created egg moves weren't relearnable.

>>25005458
So when they became relearnable this Gen, what happened?

they ignored the mechanics, obviously

>>25005467
Smogon may be highly intelligent and well-versed in pretty much any activity, but it still can't predict the future, dear senpai.

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>>25002577
>>25002579
This looks more like a heartless than a pokemon

>>25005548
Yeah, and thrice as fuckable.

>>25005527
It's not about clairvoyance, but they flat-out ignored a mechanic change in the game they're meant to be simulating.

>B-but then our OC donut steel fakemons would be too OP for our format

Boo fucking hoo, shit happens every gen when mechanics change, just look at Politoed in gen V

>>25005575
How about this: it was an egg move in fifth gen but got removed from the pool in the sixth. I see no flaws, there is also a precedent of this happening.

>>25005596
Sounds good, if a little contrived.

Sorry if I came across as harsh, this whole CAP shit rustles me up all wrong

>>25005297
Any typing would work with 135 Attack and 114 Speed

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>>25002577
could have been a hell of a lot worse

>>25006248
Yeah, and not any better.

>>25006248
That's 10 times better as a pokemon

>>25006248
that looks pretty neat

Looks more like something from a loli porn VN than a pokemon. Artist should be on a watch list imo

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>>25006301
>>25006274
>>25006266
no you dont understand

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>>25006425
MUCH MUCH WORSE

>>25006433
this is fucking stupid butbird mode could be cool

>>25006425
>>25006433

This is pretty alright what are you so butthurt about?

Shes a cutie i wanna hug her.

>>25002579
>>25002577
Literally my Kingdom's Heartless.

>>25002579
This gives me Tsuyu vibes. I think it's the eyes.

>>25002577
>>25002579
I'd tap that

What is this?

>>25002577
Who drew this? The guy in the thread?

>>25008062
Pretty sure it was Yilx.

>>25002577
>>25002579
Literally my mum's slime waifu

>>25009013
Do you have a link?

>>25009293
Not to all his art, I don't believe, but I'll give you the ones I have

Pixiv: http://www.pixiv.net/member.php?id=304834

Deviantart: http://yilx.deviantart.com/

Smogon thread: http://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/yilx-first-place-artist.70101/

He was the guy behind Nocturna's design as well.

>>25009786
Well I guess he... has a type

>>25002577
It's fucking shit

Base - Regenerator / Mold Breaker
Mega - Magic Guard

I don't even understand why they choice those abilities. It's a thing on a cup... why

CAPmons are always awful

the designs are off-style. the sprites are always clunky. the movesets are ham fisted attempts to fill niche playstyles through the allocation of unrealistically broad and useful options. the typings are obvious attempts to add novelty through weird combos. stats and ability choices are always tactless statistical selections.

sage is a dead clusterfuck but the worst thing in their dex is a million times better than the cringey shit that cap puts out.

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>>25009897

"Cup"
The pretty darn similar to the classic depiction of the holy grail, only "evil". When mega, it's turn into a cauldron, another magical artifact.

Regenerator and Magic Guard thus makes a fair amount of sense.

Mold Breaker is more of a stretch, but could be still be justified in that it's literally cracking it's mold(the darker part on the body). But I'm reaching for that one...

>>25002577
>>25002579
The artist is yilx, yes?

>>25009936
no its bummer

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>Supposed to focus on the characteristics of its typing, both strengths and weaknesses
>Rock pokemon has low defense and high speed

>>25009786
>pokemon, fit girl, and giantess artist
lord have mercy

>>25009925
>sage is a dead clusterfuck
How so? Nobody is working on it anymore? I just downloaded the demo today and was really enjoying it until it crashed.

>>25009948
Is that who it is? Can you link their website?

>>25009948
>>25010218
Artist is Yilx - as defined by the act it' got more o a feminine appearance. I wear that's all he draws for CAP designs.

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>>25010226

Nah, only about half of his designs for them are the feminine kind.

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>>25009948
This is Bummer's entry, ya doofus

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>>25010246

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>>25010246
>>25010252

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>>25010246
>>25010252
>>25010254

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>>25010246
>>25010252
>>25010254
>>25010260

>>25010248
This looks like a spectrobe

Not an insult, just noticing a stylistic quality

>>25011984
Spectrobes are cool

Smogon CAPs are made with competition in mind. That's why they're poorly designed.

>>25010264
Is this a Digimon?

I'm actually serious, I'm not sure if this is a Digimon or not.

>>25002577
>>25002579
So the slime waifu won? Eh, that was to be expected

>>25010248
>>25010226
Guys that was the joke

>>25002577
>>25002579
>4x weak to ground
>no levitate
>slow
Trash

>goo in a pot
>114 speed

>>25012582
Well she shouldn't have levitate if she's doubly weak to ground, nor should any doubly weak pokemon get an ability that nullifies the double weakness.

>>25005527
>highly intelligent
>well-versed in pretty much any activity

I'm laughing.

>>25009786
>Necturna

oh so he's a waifufaggot

>>25012959

>oh so he's a waifufaggot

Saying this as if "waifumons" aren't among the best designed mons in general.

Hard to get waifu'd with an unappealing or bad design.

They are not my favorite mons, but I can admit any day that any of the "waifu mons" look better than shit like Muk and the like.

>>25009925
>the movesets are ham fisted attempts to fill niche playstyles through the allocation of unrealistically broad and useful options. the typings are obvious attempts to add novelty through weird combos. stats and ability choices are always tactless statistical selections.
well no shit sherlock they make the stats and movepool and then assign a design to it. If it wasn't super lame they'd just have it be pure data with no design at all. It's autism.

>>25006248
Are you joking? That looks 10000 times better. At least in the ball park of a "pokemon" design.

>>25002577
Way too much going on, nothing that says Pokémon. Looks like NPC art from an indie GBA game circa 2003.

>>25006425
>>25006433
Yeah I don't see why it's bad? What is your deal with it? Did your art not make it into any stage of the process or something?

>>25010246
>>25010248
>>25010252
>>25010254
>>25010260
>>25010264
I'll take "things that look nothing like Pokémon" for 1000.

>>25014616
About time someone said it.

>>25016621
Agreed outside Cap 16, looks like the kind of fatty mon the series loves to throw in(Emboar/Rhyperior).

>>25016610

>Way too much going on, nothing that says Pokémon. Looks like NPC art from an indie GBA game circa 2003.

It's a Mega, and most of them suffer from that exact issue.

The regular version in the second post looks pretty decent. Not worse than any detailed mons in the actual series.

Also:

>Nothing that says Pokémon.

Vague nonsense. I could have used the same argument against a potential leaked gen 3 pokemon back before it came out.

Let's stop talking design and start talking competitive.
Posting some sets:

Crucibelle @ Focus Sash
Ability: Mold Breaker
EVs: 4 HP / 252 Atk / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Stealth Rock
- Toxic Spikes
- Head Smash
- Explosion/Wood Hammer

Hazard lead that can set up stealth rock and tspikes against Mega Sableye, kinda like a better Excadrill. Although when I used it the tspikes ended up being useless since everyone had a Crucibelle on their team, and no one was using Sableye.

Crucibelle @ Crucibellite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 4 Def / 252 SpD
Careful Nature
- Coil
- Rest
- Sleep Talk
- Head Smash

This is pretty dank. Head Smash is a move with 3 flaws: recoil, accuracy, and PP. Those all resolved by Magic Guard, Coil, and Sleep Talk respectively. Mono-Rock is a pretty decent attacking type too. The main problem here is that you need to eliminate all Earthquake users before even attempting to sweep, and even with your high special defense, stronger Water and Psychic special attackers can overwhelm you. Still, Crocibelle has a lot of immediate power for a rest-talk sweeper.

Crucibelle @ Black Sludge
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 HP / 252 Def / 4 SpD
Impish Nature
- Toxic Spikes
- U-turn
- Poison Jab
- Stealth Rock

I used this on a Regenerator core on a stall-ish team. Notably, Slowbro makes a good partner cause it resists Psychic, Water, and Steel. Crucibelle's type really doesn't offer much defensive synergy to a team, but it makes a good switch in to Talonflame and Tornadus at least. Once again, tspikes were useless since everyone was running Crucibelle.

Crucibelle @ Crucibellite
Ability: Regenerator
EVs: 252 Atk / 4 SpD / 252 Spe
Jolly Nature
- Head Smash
- Gunk Shot/Poison Jab
- U-turn/Wood Hammer
- Low Kick

This is the set most people seem to be running, or some variant of it. I think Coil could be slashed somewhere, especially if you're running Gunk Shot.

I like how the mega has magic guard and gets wood hammer for no reason

>>25006433
>>25006425
>>25006248
this is pretty sick

>>25010252
This looks awesome.

>>25002577
>>25002579
Am I the only one who mistook the Mega form's right leg for a dick?

By the way, which CAPs do you think have the best designs?

My fave is probably Cawdomore.

Necturna and Cyclohm both look pretty neat in their own ways.

Naviathan is kinda awesome design-wise(that Longship design), but not necessarily as a Pokemon design, and certainly not for the typing or stats. Viking Longships are commonly called "Drakskepp"(Dragon Ship) in swedish, and clearly have a draconic element to their look. Metal Shields? Nah, Viking shields were wooden.

This mon design should clearly have been Water/Dragon, not steel. I know they choose the stats first, but this clearly isn't a good fit for that. Nice looking, but unfitting.

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>>25021178
Raptor please leave