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OST need re-up apparently
>"The Greater Good"
>Have 100.000 macca in SJ
>I literally lose 40.000 macca in a battle againts futotama because he spammed that
>Playing strange journey Ng+ for the first time
>Literally Losing millions of macca because a chucklefuck shot me with Macca beam
So, what's the deal with whether or not demons are visible or not?
In Strange Journey, you require devil summoning programs to see them and they're around in the Schwartzwelt, though eventually demons do come out of it and attack humans on other continents if I remember right and I don't know if they needed devil summoning to see that or not.
But then in the Raidou games, most humans can't see demons either, which is why they can sneak in places and be summoned out of battle to follow you around. Why can Raidou see them? Who else can, and what determines that? What's with the human world and dark realm, is Raidou teleporting in there for most boss fights instantly somehow?
How do I kill Ose in SMTIV
He rapes my party, buffs are way worse than in SMT3
He has no weaknesses to speak of
I don't have anything that resists, let alone blocks physical
Should I just grind up? I'm Lv23 and my demons are up to date
and I don't want to run all the way back to fucking Kasumigaseki
Where's our Demifiend jacket, Atlus?
Where is it?
I have a confession to make. A year ago we went to an arcade. We collected lots of tickets and then gave them out randomly to kids. But there was also a point I found a small stack of tickets that was laying somewhere and I waited and it looked like the people left, and so I took those ones and gave them out too. But after that I think the person came back for them and couldn't find them. I've felt guilty about it ever since.
You should probably change your strategy completely. I don't know what you're doing so I can't exactly say anything, since I don't remember having any difficulty in that fight.
And buffs/debuffs are still very important, you will have an even harder time if you ignore them.
Also quite a few minor bosses in SMTIV aren't immune to Light, so you could try spamming that in hopes to instakill him.
By the way, Nata-Taishi is a level 24 demon that has Resist Physical, not that you really need it to beat Ose.
Why is it Law has the most variable viewpoints and proponents to it, as opposed to Chaos having Lucifer as the head almost every single time?
Like all of YHVH, Archangels (Gabriel being different from the rest even), Mastema, Wisemen, Satan, and so on all had different ideas and different methods now and then on how to approach their own Law world.
SMT IV has Infernal Akira at least, who I personally really liked. A world where those who put in the work succeed, but you won't get murdered just walking down the street.
I get what you mean though. Mastema just did whatever the fuck he wanted really.
Replicas are always overpriced bullshit.
Also, why are there no light / chaos chaos representatives. If the series is about religion then there should be figures who actually come off as respectable religious figures representing it. I can't imagine anyone who is not an edgy retard actually thinking beelzebub is a holy figure.
Both Akiras are kind of Neutral (though I think I remember Blasted Akira saying some quite Chaos things), that's the point, they're going against the alignment of the world because they see all the suffering in it.
No they're not, you dumb shit. Infernal akira has the law theme play while he talks about everyone working together so everyone is protected. Blasted akira has the chaos theme play while he talks about unleashing demons to help inspire people with passion. Goddamn, why are you all so retarded. If that counts as neutral, then johnathan and walter were both neutral until they fused too.
Honestly I prefer chaos on almost every level but Blasted Tokyo seemed less horrible to me. Most of humanity is dead sure but that's better than either having to be turned into a demon in a risky-ass procedure or turned into a human brain cow.
Only in mainline is the main representative Lucifer, and even in SJ Mem Aleph was the representative and Lucifer was the mouthpiece of her goal.
The varying members of Law is to show that Order isn't as orderly as it presents itself as, as having some with different viewpoints naturally gives rise to chaos.
No its meant to show how someone who belongs to one alignment will eventually crave the other. Blasted Tokyo's Akira was Law in the past, but he chooses to embrace chaos. The opposite for Infernal Akira. Plus Akira was doing it as some form of misplaced vengeance against Kenji because his guys couldn't get to the kids held captive in the cocoons in time.
>The people giving them hope either have to leave or are infected with a poison that will kill them.
>All the demons trying to kill them whether they want to or not (Because Gods orders)
>Nothing but wasteland everywhere
>The only people who were completely happy in that place were ghosts embracing a suicide Goddess paradise.
>Browsing random website
>Come across an interesting post
So now I see why persona fans have a bad rep here.
>I played the game for almost 8 hours now, but considering the (bad) game design options, the artificial difficulty (the second enemy in the game just crushes your party? really?), characters and all, I already think that it doesn't hold a candle to Persona.
I have a friend who tells me that P4 is both great and one of the hardest Jrpg's he played, so I'm considering buying it to see if he's right, or he's just bad at video games.
why did no one tell me that this was a thing and why isnt it in more things
P4 is probably harder than a lot of rpgs, at least certain parts of it, but that feeling is magnified by people who don't know how to fuse well because it's their first time. If you already know, you will have no difficulty with the game.
All I could quickly Google was a bunch of China jackets. My point remains, shit is too much damn money. But at least bootleggers could easily make them.
We need more frosts in the games.
But then there's the fear we might get saturated.
Does that really count? It's just to say he has no idea what or where the fuck Mikado is.
I THINK it's an entire week against the triangulum.
Reason being is that one of the screenshots with Yamamoto's twin says they're on day 4 or something. Maybe she was just written into the original game, but I don't know.
I'll look for it.
It's literally random chance because the game's just kinda designed like that.
Use bufu and hope for a lot of smirks, use buffs/debuffs if you have them, and hope he misses with labrys strike instead of a random crit + smirk.
Really, nothing else to do. It's pretty dumb and can be a steamroll in either way, and that can happen in a lot of them, but it's way more in your favor later in the game.
>Game will be out soon enough
B-But we don't even have a release date!
>no brick wall
If you're gonna call Minotaur harder than Matador then I'm at a loss for words
Matador wasn't even that hard but on Minotaur you just spam ice and hope you don't get Walter
>And law removes free will, fuck that.
In both Devil Survivor Overclocked and SMTIV we get told by members of the law forces that god does value free will and wants humanity to rule the earth by itself though, it's just that they see a world influenced by demons as destroying that plan just like how Lucifer and Chaos forces generally accuse the law forces of wanting to strip out free will. You basically just have both factions accusing each other.
The only game where the law forces explicitly condemn free will by itself is Nocturne, but their nature there is very different from the one in the other games.
Actually it's actually better for some people in Infernal Tokyo. There's a girl Neurisher who loves being a Neurisher because all the Demonoids want her, unlike when she was a ugly normal human. Even a female Demonoid is jealous of all the attention she gets.
And one of them considers Kenji a savior because he took down the demons like Xi Wangmu who ate everyone they wanted without a care.
Not to mention the chance of fusion error is low, so the chance of becoming a foul is a very small chance, while killing Neurishers is looked down upon since there are only so many, and they get to watch Demonoids beat the shit out of each other on TV to entertain them.
It's weird that Law's ending talks about how people are entitled to the products of their work, meanwhile you have a chaos like that with a defined hierarchy and enslavement aspect.
>valuing free will
>All the angels in Purgatorium are robots, and they brainwash and control most of the people of Mikado, with only the Monks remaining sane.
Gabriel even chastises free will after Flynn beats Azazel on the Law quest, and the entire reason people became demons is because they have no control of their emotions due to the kingdom keeping them ignorant.
Reminds me, is Ronaldo going to redeem himself in BR?
So I just finished
Persona 3 FESand instead of playing Persona 4I wanted to go with something that's more focused on the gameplay and less 'which grill wuld u fug" it's Naoto. Would you guys recommend Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga, or IV first?
to be fair, sending the player to Blasted Tokyo is kind of unfair compared to their trip to Infernal Tokyo. It'd be like sending the player to Infernal Tokyo right when Kenji was taking over and creating the neurisher/demonoid system, rather than after he solidified his rule.
The equivalent would have been to send Flynn to whatever nation the people from the cocoon would create without any influence of the previous now dead humans, and then afterwards learn about the world's backstory and how it was built on the death of many.
God only likes free will when people do what he wants.
When they don't do something he doesn't like, then he gets mad. Just like Kagutsuchi explains in Nocturne where he views everything bad coming from free will.
And don't give me any of that Great Will =/= God bs, because a demon NPC even calls Metatron the voice of the universe and he tries to stop Demi-Fiend on behalf of the Lord.
At the time they didn't seem to realize the side effects of becoming a Demonoid is like getting high, which is when all the Demonoids all started fighting and killing each other.
Neurishers were still smart enough to flee before shit went down, so only most Demonoids died.
Though Kenji has lost any enthusiasm he might have had about the system he made, considering he's miserable until you awaken his bloodlust.
Any of the choices would be fine, but if you want the greatest gameplay/cutscene ratio, then Nocturne. DDS and IV both have a good amount of cutscenes, even if greatly dwarfed by P3.
I thought he was talking about this, which would actually be sort of good.
In the law route, talk with the angels in Naraku. They explain the entire plan there and they don't seem to be lying considering how the law ending follows their words about leaving the humans after they're done dealing with the demons.
>Gabriel even chastises free will after Flynn beats Azazel on the Law quest
Her words are
>Freedom doesn't necessarily lead to salvation. The Lord's guidance is necessary for the people to have happiness.
I don't see how that's saying that free will shouldn't exist. Although obviously only law aligned people would agree that "the lord's guidance is necessary", even neutral people can see that "Freedom doesn't necessarily lead to salvation."
>that guys face
I'd rather have the jacket he wears before he becomes a demon.
But the problem is exactly as shown in Purgatorium, everything the lower ranked angels say and do is programmed into them by the higher ups. They don't have any individuality and say only what they are told to say and think, so even their words can't be trusted.
The only ones with any individuality were Mastema, the Four, and Seraph. Excluding all the ones who fell for obvious reasons.
And maybe that one from Walters manga that also works for Mastema.
>And don't give me any of that Great Will =/= God bs, because a demon NPC even calls Metatron the voice of the universe and he tries to stop Demi-Fiend on behalf of the Lord.
We also know that God in Nocturne told the Messians to stop the Conception, while the Great Will wanted it.
Metatron tries to stop Demi-Fiend from going in the True Demon Ending path because that'd just destroy the entire reality with no hope for rebirth at all and obviously Lucifer would march against YHVH. Just because their interests align there, it doesn't mean that their interests are always the same.
YHVH himself also referenced the Great Will as a separate entity in SMT2. It's only enemy demons that lump both together.
The angels even all kill themselves and leave so as not to taint humans, after having killed all demons as well.
And humans turn into demons from the leadership of a corrupt system by which Mikado was ruled for generations forcing demonic knowledge and repression of emotions onto the population. A corrupt system that the Archangels personally destroy the instant they're no longer kept restrained, because it was not intended.
And seriously, they're middle ages peasants for the most part. They weren't brainwashed, they're in reverence from physical acts performed by godlike figures they worship saving them from demons that presented an actual threat to them. Actual middle ages peasants from back then wouldn't need half that shit to revere an ideology or religion, it's totally the result of the environment in which they were raised, which you can't blame on Law given they're the ones who fucking destroy that environment rather than encourage.
The entire point of Law is to create a world for humans with their free will intact, but not to be tainted by demons or use their free will in such a way that invites demons to their realm. And no, it's not contradictory to desire someone to make a specific choice when given multiple options, in the same way you wouldn't lock a child capable of understanding their own actions in a cage just to stop them from messing up the house they're in.
>“That incredibly power…It might’ve been the Great Will coming to observe us. Well, not even he can stop our masters plan now. “
Those are the words of the same NPC that called Metatron the voice of the universe after you beat him. Even Dante comments that the final battle is between the army of God and the demons, when Lucifer makes it clear they are out to defeat the true enemy the Great Will, which also created him.
God's a two faced being, he says one thing while doing another. That's a big part of the series, and part of the Whites argument that nothing you do matters. God will come out on top regardless.
I even like how one NPC in Blasted Tokyo calls God a schizo.
>all kill themselves
No they don't. Only four of them do.
The angels are always there, watching. They only leave because never again can people defy the will of the Lord and must obediently follow him forever. Even that's not for certain considering the statue of Flynn in the end.
>Only Merkabah does.
Which is what the four comment is about.
Because demons also work for him.
That's why all those demons in Blasted Tokyo have been ordered to kill all the unclean. Something several Gods disagree with but obey because they are Lawfags. Like the Toilet Goddess.
>But the problem is exactly as shown in Purgatorium, everything the lower ranked angels say and do is programmed into them by the higher ups.
That's only necessarily true for the Purgatorium demons themselves though. Don't forget that there weren't only angels there, and even the other demons behave just like the mechanical angels there. You can't even talk to those demons, while you CAN negotiate with others elsewhere - although the angels in SMTIV that pop up in a few challenge quests, like the one with the Samurai drop out, refuse to join chaos or neutral heroes through negotiation anyway.
God displayed his love for Abel by purposefully setting up the Cain and Abel scenario to have Cain kill his brother, and then punish him.
Then through his Divine Love he turned him into a Bel. A being who under his control would allow him to take over the earth.
Plus Messians are mortal, and disposable pawns at that.
>Demons behave just like the mechanical angels there.
Because they are also angels. The series has had a number of demons from other myths and races be included as part of the angels. Like in SJ where the angel NPCs after alignment lock include Scathach and Pallas Athena. Or how all the demons in Blasted Tokyo have been ordered to kill the unclean by the will of the Gods.