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>>92228960

no. only dds is the true series.

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>>92202839
>"The Greater Good"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpbOliTHJY

>>92229156
>haven't been on /smtg/ in 6 months
>this shitty picture is still being posted

why

Macca Beam

>>92229440

I'm sorry. Why don't you make a better one.

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>>92229513
>Have 100.000 macca in SJ
>I literally lose 40.000 macca in a battle againts futotama because he spammed that

friendly reminder that if you have time to be playing that "persona" game, you have time to be studying for entrance exams

NO LAWFAGS ALLOWED PAST THIS POINT

GO BACK TO CHURCH AND REPENT FOR THAT CANDY BAR YOU STOLE AT AGE FOUR

>>92230134
But anon, to aprove the test I only have to be chosen by the gauntlet.

And I bet only luxurorfags will be chosen anyays.

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>>92229513
>Playing strange journey Ng+ for the first time
>Literally Losing millions of macca because a chucklefuck shot me with Macca beam

>>92230980
Navarre was the real hero

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Reminder

>>92231348
What's wrong with feMC?

So, what's the deal with whether or not demons are visible or not?

In Strange Journey, you require devil summoning programs to see them and they're around in the Schwartzwelt, though eventually demons do come out of it and attack humans on other continents if I remember right and I don't know if they needed devil summoning to see that or not.

But then in the Raidou games, most humans can't see demons either, which is why they can sneak in places and be summoned out of battle to follow you around. Why can Raidou see them? Who else can, and what determines that? What's with the human world and dark realm, is Raidou teleporting in there for most boss fights instantly somehow?

>>92231419
She doesnt exist, I guess

>>92231348
>Strange Journeyman
>not a cold, emotionless machine of pure slaughter and logic

>>92231032
At least it wasn't Wastrel Beam.

>Random encounter
>Black Rider
>Wastrel Beam
>Wastrel Beam
>Wastrel Beam
>Wastrel Beam
>Wastrel Beam
Where's my 575k, Atlus?

>>92231550
Oh, so he goes Law then?

>>92231419
That she is willing to cheat on his dead/comatose boyfriend with his best friend

>>92231490
Raidou can probably see them either because of being trained to through some weird secret method of the Kuzunohas or some characteristic of the clan itself.

>>92231641
>law
>logic

I mean I guess in the Hitler way of "this must be the [JEWS'/FILTH'S] fault"

>>92231768
Like MC didn't take advantage of all the emotionally vulnerable women in P3.

Guys
How do I kill Ose in SMTIV
He rapes my party, buffs are way worse than in SMT3
He has no weaknesses to speak of
I don't have anything that resists, let alone blocks physical

Should I just grind up? I'm Lv23 and my demons are up to date and I don't want to run all the way back to fucking Kasumigaseki

>>92231550
Japanese Doom Guy and Demi-fiend could easily be on their own category
>No fucks given

GET OUT CHAOSHOLES THIS IS LAW TERRITORY

>>92231851
>must be
Are you implying it isn't?

>>92231959
>4chan.org
>law territory

I think you mistyped "christianmingle.com" in the URL

>>92215274
>So, is there any good SMT merch?

Not that is actually a reasonable price.

>>92232061
I don't know, /lit/ is pretty law. They do have a lot of communists.

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>>92232108
Where's our Demifiend jacket, Atlus?

Where is it?

>>92230841

I have a confession to make. A year ago we went to an arcade. We collected lots of tickets and then gave them out randomly to kids. But there was also a point I found a small stack of tickets that was laying somewhere and I waited and it looked like the people left, and so I took those ones and gave them out too. But after that I think the person came back for them and couldn't find them. I've felt guilty about it ever since.

>>92231947
You should probably change your strategy completely. I don't know what you're doing so I can't exactly say anything, since I don't remember having any difficulty in that fight.
And buffs/debuffs are still very important, you will have an even harder time if you ignore them.
Also quite a few minor bosses in SMTIV aren't immune to Light, so you could try spamming that in hopes to instakill him.
By the way, Nata-Taishi is a level 24 demon that has Resist Physical, not that you really need it to beat Ose.

>>92232315
You should have taken them for yourself

You'll never survive in an arcade of strength if you give to weak children

Why is it Law has the most variable viewpoints and proponents to it, as opposed to Chaos having Lucifer as the head almost every single time?

Like all of YHVH, Archangels (Gabriel being different from the rest even), Mastema, Wisemen, Satan, and so on all had different ideas and different methods now and then on how to approach their own Law world.

>>92231947
>SMT IV
>losing to a mini boss

I mean, Pluto or Kenji or Medusa I understand, or Minotaur if it keeps giving you Walter

But a miniboss? C'mon son

>>92232441

True strength comes from banding together as one.

>>92232509
SMT IV has Infernal Akira at least, who I personally really liked. A world where those who put in the work succeed, but you won't get murdered just walking down the street.

I get what you mean though. Mastema just did whatever the fuck he wanted really.

>>92232589
Yeah, sure you helped them faggot
Enjoy that no translation because things aren't going as expected

>>92232578
I don't know why you're so surprised, I remember quite a few people on release having difficulties with Ose.

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>>92232282
Replicas are always overpriced bullshit.

>>92232759
I guess I'm just too skilled for you casualries

>Abandoning threads before page 10
YOUVE BETRAYED THE LAW, SMTG

>>92232509

Also, why are there no light / chaos chaos representatives. If the series is about religion then there should be figures who actually come off as respectable religious figures representing it. I can't imagine anyone who is not an edgy retard actually thinking beelzebub is a holy figure.

>>92232714
Both Akiras are kind of Neutral (though I think I remember Blasted Akira saying some quite Chaos things), that's the point, they're going against the alignment of the world because they see all the suffering in it.

>>92232986

No they're not, you dumb shit. Infernal akira has the law theme play while he talks about everyone working together so everyone is protected. Blasted akira has the chaos theme play while he talks about unleashing demons to help inspire people with passion. Goddamn, why are you all so retarded. If that counts as neutral, then johnathan and walter were both neutral until they fused too.

>>92232986
Honestly I prefer chaos on almost every level but Blasted Tokyo seemed less horrible to me. Most of humanity is dead sure but that's better than either having to be turned into a demon in a risky-ass procedure or turned into a human brain cow.

>>92233186
I think you missed the "kind of" that came before "neutral."

>>92231693
Sometimes I wait for other people to make a thread because I don't want to be OP. I need a life.

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>>92233186
Sorry, I guess.

But if chaos isn't the best, why does it have the best song in SMT IV?

http://youtu.be/50MTGAvcngM

>>92232842
If you're going to buy some shitty RE-jacket then at least let it be the one from 4.

>>92232509
Only in mainline is the main representative Lucifer, and even in SJ Mem Aleph was the representative and Lucifer was the mouthpiece of her goal.

The varying members of Law is to show that Order isn't as orderly as it presents itself as, as having some with different viewpoints naturally gives rise to chaos.

>>92232986
No its meant to show how someone who belongs to one alignment will eventually crave the other. Blasted Tokyo's Akira was Law in the past, but he chooses to embrace chaos. The opposite for Infernal Akira. Plus Akira was doing it as some form of misplaced vengeance against Kenji because his guys couldn't get to the kids held captive in the cocoons in time.

Is the second week in Break Record going to have only one route or multiple routes?

>>92233239
>Poison everywhere
>The people giving them hope either have to leave or are infected with a poison that will kill them.
>All the demons trying to kill them whether they want to or not (Because Gods orders)
>Nothing but wasteland everywhere
>The only people who were completely happy in that place were ghosts embracing a suicide Goddess paradise.

>Browsing random website
>Come across an interesting post
So now I see why persona fans have a bad rep here.

>I played the game for almost 8 hours now, but considering the (bad) game design options, the artificial difficulty (the second enemy in the game just crushes your party? really?), characters and all, I already think that it doesn't hold a candle to Persona.

I have a friend who tells me that P4 is both great and one of the hardest Jrpg's he played, so I'm considering buying it to see if he's right, or he's just bad at video games.

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Slimy Slimy Slimy

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why did no one tell me that this was a thing and why isnt it in more things

>>92234113
It's good but he's bad a video games.

>>92234189
Because Devichil is SHIIIIIIIIIIIIIT

>>92234007
Eh, I remember in Blasted Tokyo, some civilian said "America, China, and Russia are all in a similar state". It's just nice to see other places getting mentioned.

>>92234189

In b4 chaosfags get buttmand that lucifrost is law again.

>>92234113
P4 is probably harder than a lot of rpgs, at least certain parts of it, but that feeling is magnified by people who don't know how to fuse well because it's their first time. If you already know, you will have no difficulty with the game.

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>>92234189

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>>92233750
All I could quickly Google was a bunch of China jackets. My point remains, shit is too much damn money. But at least bootleggers could easily make them.

>>92234250
Nonsense. Persona and DDS used the King Frost design from Devichil.

Same for Frost Ace.

>>92234290
If you tell Inf Akira that you're from Mikado he asks if that's in Russia or China

>>92232509
Because YHVH is a bitch ass nigger who always makes other people do his work for him.

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>>92234189
We need more frosts in the games.
But then there's the fear we might get saturated.
>>92234538
Does that really count? It's just to say he has no idea what or where the fuck Mikado is.

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Die for me.

>>92233908
isn't it just an 8th day?

>>92234113
Persona 4 is mediocre and your friend is a faggot.

>>92234682
No, check Alcor and Miyako's videos among others, pay attention to the dates.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pr14ErRsVsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6rGafyJfe-4

>>92234682
I THINK it's an entire week against the triangulum.

Reason being is that one of the screenshots with Yamamoto's twin says they're on day 4 or something. Maybe she was just written into the original game, but I don't know.

I'll look for it.

>>92234663
I love Alice.

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>>92234663
Ok.

Is Minotaur supposed to be such a huge difficulty spike? I don't remember Nocturne throwing a brick wall like this at me.

>>92234663
No thanks, I'm too busy to die. Plus, it takes forever to get through the line...

Just fused alice in SMTiv, does she show up at any point in the game aside from fusion?

>>92235108
have these ever been translated?

>>92234663
I'll die for you if you'll be my daughter. :3

>>92235251
It's literally random chance because the game's just kinda designed like that.

Use bufu and hope for a lot of smirks, use buffs/debuffs if you have them, and hope he misses with labrys strike instead of a random crit + smirk.

Really, nothing else to do. It's pretty dumb and can be a steamroll in either way, and that can happen in a lot of them, but it's way more in your favor later in the game.

Why is Argilla pronounced "Arjilla"?

>>92234663
Back to bed you shitty little flat bitch

>>92235316
The game will be out soon enough, anon.

>>92234007
Better that than "you can either denounce your humanity or become a food slave for someone who did, also you're probably gonna die next week"

>>92235251
Eh, Minotaur is sort of tough, and the boss right after is also somewhat of a kick in the nuts.

>>92235628
>shitty little flat bitch
You are the filthiest trash i've ever seen, how can a human be as filthy as you?

>>92235629
Enjoy another year waiting for English.

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>>92235629
>Game will be out soon enough
B-But we don't even have a release date!
Hold me

>>92235251
>Nocturne
>no brick wall

If you're gonna call Minotaur harder than Matador then I'm at a loss for words

Matador wasn't even that hard but on Minotaur you just spam ice and hope you don't get Walter

>>92235609
I don't even understand the question, how else do you think it'd be pronounced? Pretty sure that's how it's pronounced in Italian, and "argil" in English is also "ar-jil"

>>92162832
>And law removes free will, fuck that.

In both Devil Survivor Overclocked and SMTIV we get told by members of the law forces that god does value free will and wants humanity to rule the earth by itself though, it's just that they see a world influenced by demons as destroying that plan just like how Lucifer and Chaos forces generally accuse the law forces of wanting to strip out free will. You basically just have both factions accusing each other.

The only game where the law forces explicitly condemn free will by itself is Nocturne, but their nature there is very different from the one in the other games.

>>92235713
Actually it's actually better for some people in Infernal Tokyo. There's a girl Neurisher who loves being a Neurisher because all the Demonoids want her, unlike when she was a ugly normal human. Even a female Demonoid is jealous of all the attention she gets.

And one of them considers Kenji a savior because he took down the demons like Xi Wangmu who ate everyone they wanted without a care.

Not to mention the chance of fusion error is low, so the chance of becoming a foul is a very small chance, while killing Neurishers is looked down upon since there are only so many, and they get to watch Demonoids beat the shit out of each other on TV to entertain them.

>>92236143
It's weird that Law's ending talks about how people are entitled to the products of their work, meanwhile you have a chaos like that with a defined hierarchy and enslavement aspect.

>>92236104
>SMTIV
>valuing free will
>All the angels in Purgatorium are robots, and they brainwash and control most of the people of Mikado, with only the Monks remaining sane.

Gabriel even chastises free will after Flynn beats Azazel on the Law quest, and the entire reason people became demons is because they have no control of their emotions due to the kingdom keeping them ignorant.

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>>92235108
Reminds me, is Ronaldo going to redeem himself in BR?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYDxslcdiqY

0:09

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So I just finished Persona 3 FES and instead of playing Persona 4 I wanted to go with something that's more focused on the gameplay and less 'which grill wuld u fug" it's Naoto. Would you guys recommend Nocturne, Digital Devil Saga, or IV first?

>>92233239
>>92234007

to be fair, sending the player to Blasted Tokyo is kind of unfair compared to their trip to Infernal Tokyo. It'd be like sending the player to Infernal Tokyo right when Kenji was taking over and creating the neurisher/demonoid system, rather than after he solidified his rule.

The equivalent would have been to send Flynn to whatever nation the people from the cocoon would create without any influence of the previous now dead humans, and then afterwards learn about the world's backstory and how it was built on the death of many.

>>92236349
Isn't Ronaldo a BR? How fitting.

>>92236104
God only likes free will when people do what he wants.

When they don't do something he doesn't like, then he gets mad. Just like Kagutsuchi explains in Nocturne where he views everything bad coming from free will.

And don't give me any of that Great Will =/= God bs, because a demon NPC even calls Metatron the voice of the universe and he tries to stop Demi-Fiend on behalf of the Lord.

>>92236510
>playing soccer with your demons
>poltergeist ends up cheating
Damn

>>92236491
At the time they didn't seem to realize the side effects of becoming a Demonoid is like getting high, which is when all the Demonoids all started fighting and killing each other.

Neurishers were still smart enough to flee before shit went down, so only most Demonoids died.

Though Kenji has lost any enthusiasm he might have had about the system he made, considering he's miserable until you awaken his bloodlust.

>>92236473
Nocturne. DDS if you want a more traditional JRPG party system and no fusion.

>>92236473
Any of the choices would be fine, but if you want the greatest gameplay/cutscene ratio, then Nocturne. DDS and IV both have a good amount of cutscenes, even if greatly dwarfed by P3.

>>92232282
Do it yourself fagget
http://tophatting.tumblr.com/post/33211851266/demifiend-jacket-tutorial

>inb4 tumblr

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>>92236990
I thought he was talking about this, which would actually be sort of good.

>>92236737
>>92236752
Thanks for the advice guys. I was leaning towards either Nocturne or DDS anyway because of finances.

>>92236990
Too hard.
I have the hand/eye coordination and artistic skill of a drunk mule.

>>92236325

In the law route, talk with the angels in Naraku. They explain the entire plan there and they don't seem to be lying considering how the law ending follows their words about leaving the humans after they're done dealing with the demons.

>Gabriel even chastises free will after Flynn beats Azazel on the Law quest

Her words are
>Freedom doesn't necessarily lead to salvation. The Lord's guidance is necessary for the people to have happiness.

I don't see how that's saying that free will shouldn't exist. Although obviously only law aligned people would agree that "the lord's guidance is necessary", even neutral people can see that "Freedom doesn't necessarily lead to salvation."

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>>92236990
>that guys face
lol
I'd rather have the jacket he wears before he becomes a demon.

>>92237280
But the problem is exactly as shown in Purgatorium, everything the lower ranked angels say and do is programmed into them by the higher ups. They don't have any individuality and say only what they are told to say and think, so even their words can't be trusted.

The only ones with any individuality were Mastema, the Four, and Seraph. Excluding all the ones who fell for obvious reasons. And maybe that one from Walters manga that also works for Mastema.

>>92237312
Is that official art?

Why isn't he using eye liner and black lipstick like the overlord Kaneko would have wanted?

>>92235747
Well, a flat bitch told me I was a failure and I never forget it.

>>92236520
>And don't give me any of that Great Will =/= God bs, because a demon NPC even calls Metatron the voice of the universe and he tries to stop Demi-Fiend on behalf of the Lord.

We also know that God in Nocturne told the Messians to stop the Conception, while the Great Will wanted it.

Metatron tries to stop Demi-Fiend from going in the True Demon Ending path because that'd just destroy the entire reality with no hope for rebirth at all and obviously Lucifer would march against YHVH. Just because their interests align there, it doesn't mean that their interests are always the same.

YHVH himself also referenced the Great Will as a separate entity in SMT2. It's only enemy demons that lump both together.

>>92236325
The angels even all kill themselves and leave so as not to taint humans, after having killed all demons as well.

And humans turn into demons from the leadership of a corrupt system by which Mikado was ruled for generations forcing demonic knowledge and repression of emotions onto the population. A corrupt system that the Archangels personally destroy the instant they're no longer kept restrained, because it was not intended.

And seriously, they're middle ages peasants for the most part. They weren't brainwashed, they're in reverence from physical acts performed by godlike figures they worship saving them from demons that presented an actual threat to them. Actual middle ages peasants from back then wouldn't need half that shit to revere an ideology or religion, it's totally the result of the environment in which they were raised, which you can't blame on Law given they're the ones who fucking destroy that environment rather than encourage.

The entire point of Law is to create a world for humans with their free will intact, but not to be tainted by demons or use their free will in such a way that invites demons to their realm. And no, it's not contradictory to desire someone to make a specific choice when given multiple options, in the same way you wouldn't lock a child capable of understanding their own actions in a cage just to stop them from messing up the house they're in.

>>92237858
>I never forget it
She was right.

Why doesn't YHVH just kill all the demons

>>92237894
>“That incredibly power…It might’ve been the Great Will coming to observe us. Well, not even he can stop our masters plan now. “
Those are the words of the same NPC that called Metatron the voice of the universe after you beat him. Even Dante comments that the final battle is between the army of God and the demons, when Lucifer makes it clear they are out to defeat the true enemy the Great Will, which also created him.

God's a two faced being, he says one thing while doing another. That's a big part of the series, and part of the Whites argument that nothing you do matters. God will come out on top regardless.

I even like how one NPC in Blasted Tokyo calls God a schizo.

>>92238156
This man gets it

>>92238156
He enjoys fucking around.

Humans are his playthings.

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I want to fuck Mirai

>>92237932
>all kill themselves
No they don't. Only four of them do.

The angels are always there, watching. They only leave because never again can people defy the will of the Lord and must obediently follow him forever. Even that's not for certain considering the statue of Flynn in the end.

>>92238156
Because.
YHVH IS the demons.

>>92238474
>Only Merkabah does.
Which is what the four comment is about.

>>92238156
Because demons also work for him.

That's why all those demons in Blasted Tokyo have been ordered to kill all the unclean. Something several Gods disagree with but obey because they are Lawfags. Like the Toilet Goddess.

>>92237674
>But the problem is exactly as shown in Purgatorium, everything the lower ranked angels say and do is programmed into them by the higher ups.

That's only necessarily true for the Purgatorium demons themselves though. Don't forget that there weren't only angels there, and even the other demons behave just like the mechanical angels there. You can't even talk to those demons, while you CAN negotiate with others elsewhere - although the angels in SMTIV that pop up in a few challenge quests, like the one with the Samurai drop out, refuse to join chaos or neutral heroes through negotiation anyway.

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>>92237894
God displayed his love for Abel by purposefully setting up the Cain and Abel scenario to have Cain kill his brother, and then punish him.

Then through his Divine Love he turned him into a Bel. A being who under his control would allow him to take over the earth.

Plus Messians are mortal, and disposable pawns at that.

>>92238641
>Demons behave just like the mechanical angels there.
Because they are also angels. The series has had a number of demons from other myths and races be included as part of the angels. Like in SJ where the angel NPCs after alignment lock include Scathach and Pallas Athena. Or how all the demons in Blasted Tokyo have been ordered to kill the unclean by the will of the Gods.

Lawtism seems to be on the rise lately.

>>92239598
How much did you pay for Frost?

>>92239949
too much. it was 5900 yen pre-owned before shipping but i have birthday money and i really want jack frost

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Who's your favorite Megami?

Pic related is mine.