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-LATEST NEWS-
>P4U2 is OUT in North America!
>P4DAN delayed until 2015, primarily worked on by P-Studio but Dingo still assisting
>NA release date for PQ is November 25th, Japan was June 5th, Europe is November 28th

-GUIDES-
>General Persona Guide
http://pastebin.com/QPB3QuNm
>Persona 1 Guide
http://persona1.wikidot.com/start

-ARENA LINKS-
>Starter websites to learn:
http://www.brokentier.com/blogs/news/8362824-persona-4-arena-simple-character-guide
http://www.dustloop.com/forums/showthread.php?14134-P4A-Gameplay-Primer
http://www.dustloop.com/wiki/index.php?title=Persona_4:_Arena

-DOWNLOADS-
>Art, Guides, Music and more (Persona only, contains P4U/P4U2 story transcripts and sprite/texture/script rips)
http://pastebin.com/4e3U9j2S
>Artbook, soundtrack, manga, and other downloads (Persona and SMT)
http://pastebin.com/fgVp423S
>P4 Dengeki Comic Anthology
http://www.mediafire.com/?4kjjaf0jtw2jyj3
>Persona/SMT image collection
http://www.mediafire.com/?9j3us2v34coua

-MANGA SCANS-
http://personascans.tumblr.com/
http://www.mediafire.com/personascans#unst48ukbu457

-TRANSLATED MANGA SCANS-
http://pastebin.com/CX8q1FLp

-ARENA PLAYERS MATCHUP DOC-
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Y6GZ6nt7cRyoWpR9_Bqyud8nCoDuLAcz-GcHyle71zQ/edit#gid=0

-P4U2 IMAGE/SOUND/MOVIE/PALETTE RIPS-
http://pastebin.com/CJSExUkj

-P4U2 NEW MUSIC TRACKS-
http://www.mediafire.com/download/l7at2vtrrb8l8t0/NEW+P+MUSIC+-+with+titles.rar

-P4U2 English Patch + DLC Unlock- [Retail Ver.]
https://mega.co.nz/#!TVpnwR6L!hsQ16zVErcuiz4pI8dJ8m7NasJpDKzDIzZbmHIL2pyY

-P1P Music Unfuck Pre-Patched Iso-
http://www.mediafire.com/download/wbz6rpqrqt0pfqb

-P4tGA OP/ED CD-
https://mega.co.nz/#!MpNBjKCQ!PLPWWvi7F7QY127aPPL90BjkMOYy1xisSlw96t7Abhw
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PIIIIIIIIIIIZAAAAAAAaaaa
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First for best character
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>>82418657
You need to see a doctor about that premature ejaculation, OP.
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If i post "naoto is trans" bait will you guys reply
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>>82418337
Shaggy
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>>82418798
Only if you'll reply to my bait.
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>>82418748
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Kanji is gay, and Naoto wants to be a trans. This is fact.
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>>82418814
fucking.
STOP.
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>>82418645
Some people are gay or trans, though. My point was that Naoto isn't.
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>>82418804
I honestly would like it for Philemon to slap the VR sisters' shit, especially Elizabeth's.
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First for Marie-chan best waifu
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>>82418798
Studies say yes

>>82418912
I don't control tumblr

>>82418921
I hope that bait tastes good
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For Mitsuo being one of us
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>>82418994
I'm nothing like Mitsuo. My hair isn't even black.
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>>82418994
let's talk about rise's ass
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>>82418928
He used to run a tight ship having people sing and play the piano for eternity, but Igor got lazy so it ended up like this.
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>>82418909
Rise is a slut
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>>82419039
Nothing left to discuss there. Let's discuss Mitsuru's left shin.
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Adachi
>bored
>killed 2 people
>couldent kill them himself, had to let the world do it
>prick

Mitsuo
>Alienated and teased for years because of his freaky alien eyes
>only killed one person who no one even liked
>beat that fucker to death with his bare hands
>loyal to his waifu

Mitsuo deserves redemption infinitely more than Adachi
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>>82418909
Here, have the reply you're so desperate for.
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>>82419212
except Mitsuo did it to look cool and get attention
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>>82418928
This is kind of a different thing, but is there some reason all the 'attendants' since P3 have had the same blonde hair/yellow eyes motif going on? It seems too consistent not to mean something.
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>buy persona 4 ultimax
>buyers remorse
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>>82419281
It means blonde people are inherently alien-looking to Japanese players
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>>82419281
they're all brothers and sisters
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>>82419212
Mitsuo did it for attention. People call Adachi edgy but Mitsuo is the actual edgy. The guy who tries to do dark and scary shit, not because that's what he believes but because it gets him attention.
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>>82419281
It means they are siblings
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>>82419081
Atlus apparently said that with new guests, it means new attendants, but I think the retards in P-Studio forgot that Nameless and Belladonna appeared for Tatsuya and Maya despite being new.

Regardless, Belladonna and Nameless didn't really do anything like the current attendant sibs. They were more focused with nuturing the soul. Igor is the one that got lazy as hell.
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>>82419106
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>>82419373
sell your preorder shit online, make some of it back.

The cards alone go for 20 fucking dollars. Imagine in a year how much a full sealed set will be.
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>>82419373
>Buy P4AU
>Enjoy it
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For appreciating Aigis
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>>82419373
>buy it for xbox
>remorse intensifies
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>>82419376
But they have grey hair in PQ
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>>82419212
Is he 2ch?
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>>82419579
>xbox
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>>82419649
they have silver-blonde hair
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>>82419649
Platinum blonde. Close enough.
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>>82419726
Gray.
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>>82419438
Do you think it might be because in the previous games there were multiple guests, and therefore more of a general 'room-space' rather than a specific location like an elevator or limo?

Certainly it's true that the old attendants didn't have the same personal connection with the protagonists that the new ones do, and they weren't really involved with the fusion either. Demon Painter painted the cards in P2 but it was still Igor conducting the procedure.
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>>82419579
Oh god im so sorry anon
That was painful to read, my condolences.

Is it as dead as P4A?
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For positive thinking


Anyone wanna play Ultimax?
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>>82419815
there was 7 lobbies at once, so not dead yet
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>>82419416
ADachi is absolutely edgy.
Mitsou was just a loser of another variety.

captcha: truth
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>>82419824
Not with you, faggot
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>>82419809
Gray-blonde. Close enough.
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>>82419726
>>82419715
Totally gray
And I think Maggie's portrait in Arena has gray hair too.
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>>82419824
If we have enough for a lobby then yes
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>>82419925
Depends on the definition we use. If we're using the "dark as my soul teen", then no, Adachi really isn't. If we go by the actual literal definition in websters, he is.
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>You will never hear Persona 5's glorious OST
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>>82419824
http://a.pomf.se/zpgwzw.webm
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>>82420042
Alright made one
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>>82419813
I doubt it's anything story related and just the persona team being the persona team, although I'm they'd play it off as that
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>>82420097
planning on having your head over the wall before then?
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>>82419925
There's no such thing as a non-edgy villain.
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>>82420097
Lotus Juice sucks
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>>82419813
I honestly think Igor was very involved with the attendants from the old games. As for Bella and Nameless, I would argue that Nameless was the one that had more to say than Belladonna. They even got him to make you do sidequests in ISP.

Demon Painter, though, did a lot more than Nameless and Belladonna, but he's not a real attendant. He's just a human that's chilling out and doing Igor a solid.

Though you know that elevator is very spacious compared to the limo. In the Answer you see everyone able to enter it without making it seem awkward. I hope in P5 everyone gets to have the priviledge of entering the VR.

Also I am kind of confused how Sho was able to get the limo if he's completely brand new. This isn't like Aigis who received MC's Wild Card/ knew him. Atlus being lazy I guess.
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>You will never grow to love Persona 5's adorable characters
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I skipped the first arena because I thought this Persona + fighting game thing was a bad idea but I gotta admit, I loving ultimax.
I never had this much fun with a fighter since Tekken and Soul Calibur.
Its not as balanced as I wish it could have been but still I dont feel so bad even though I lost most of my online battles.
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>>82420219
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>>82420321
please stop
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Putting in one last happy birthday for Nana-chan before midnight.
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>>82420280
he's not in it
also you're wrong and you are required to worship L to the J
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>You will never step into Persona 5's Velvet Room
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>>82420363
There isn't. The literal definition of edgy is "going against the grain" or presenting ideas that go against societies norms. If a villain is presenting motives and actions that are totally in line with societies and not radical at all, then they're probably not much of a villain.
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>>82420447
stop posting
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>>82420187
I've got a good feeling about this lobby
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Never

ever
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>>82420219
Does Yukari count as a villain?
she wasn't very edgy.
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>>82420280
Wu-Tang Clan sucks
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>>82420623
Why would Yukari be a villain?
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i think we have a shitpost bot in here maybe
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>>82420295
Of course he did more. He's Kaneko.

Then he left to go hang out with Holy Ghost.
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>>82420435
>you will never have a imouto like Nanako

The closest I got was spending a few days getting along with a cute cousin of mine. Kids who thinks you are the coolest person in the world are so adorable...
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>>82420468
Probably any villain in some kind of dystopian world would count
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>>82420714
I didn't see a picture of Aigis
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>>82420669
Answer
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>>82420468
You underestimate Law.

Having motives and actions that are in line with society = Willing to destroy the world and create it anew when told to.

Blessed are the angels.
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>>82420740
>tfw iktf
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>>82420790
its right here
>>82419560
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Daily reminder
http://youtu.be/_nYJV1gLpc8
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>>82420295
Well, Yu did help him get/activate/whatever his Wild Card and Maggie says that he will have to deal with him now. She even called Sho his "underclassman". It's probably somehow related to something and maybe we will get an explanation someday. Probably.
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>>82420280
good thing he hasn't done music for a mainline persona game since 3
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Why were they so odd about talking about akihiko's outfit to junpei?
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>>82421108
But in the beginning of P4 story mode Igor and Margaret are talking to Sho.
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>>82420740
>Kids who thinks you are the coolest person in the world are so adorable...
That fucking feel.
>mfw in few years she'll realize how fucking lame I am
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>>82421127
but he did Innocent Sin on PSP
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>>82421087
>Shipping future akihiko to some slut nurse.
He deserves better.
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>>82421218
Yeah, but they know everything already so they let him get into the limo.
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>>82421276
He should hook up with Officer Suou. Which Suou is entirely up to you.
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So is Yosuke gay or what?
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>>82421395
300%
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>>82421395
The Gayest
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>>82421390
>Which Suou is entirely up to you.

Lisa Suou

because of the implications
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>>82421395
Gay for Yu.
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>>82421395
Like, offensively so
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>>82421221
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>>82421496
Lisa is not a police officer, dumbass.
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>>82421395
his name is Kanji, and yes
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>>82421395
_No
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>>82421606
I think he's implying Lisa married Tatsuya, which is impossible since he married Anna after EP.
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>>82421395
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>Niggas hating on Yosuke again
Yall just jelly because he gets all the chicks.
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>>82421692
Nigga I know what he was implying, but he obviously didn't read what I had said correctly.

Also there is nothing that indicated he was into Anna. Annafag please leave. Your waifu is the most boring shit ever. I'd rather fuck the Sumaru Genie.
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So is Ulala gay or what?
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>>82421781
Yeah. The DEAD ones.
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>>82421781
No, I think, for some reason that I will never understand, they just liked Junpei more
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>>82421781
>because he gets all the chicks
But i like guys.
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So is Marie trans or what? Izanami was half man so marie must be one too.
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>>82421840
Ulala is one of the most cock-hungry females in all of Persona. She's just very unlucky with finding a good man.
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>>82421893
Marie is shit, stop talking about her
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What's this shit about P5 being cancelled?
I haven't heard anything about it except for from /pg/
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>>82421893
I hope not
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>>82421840
Just because Baofu has long hair doesnt make him a girl.
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>>82422028
It's all because of SEGA

they shit the bed hard this time
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>>82422028
It's some joke the same guy or some people imitating him make all the time. Just ignore it.
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>>82422028
Its true. They've decided to put it on Hiatus and make Persona III-2 and Persona III- MC Returns.
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>>82421862
Junpei isn't a whiny, closeted, asshole

>liking Yosuke
>Ever
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>>82422059
When he wears that skirt though he's a girl
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>>82422224
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Is Eikichi gay
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>>82422224
Junpei whines about everything

he cried when it was hot in the summer time
he cried when he made shitty grades in school
he LITERALLY cried during the dark hour

he's a faggot
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>>82422348
Good thing Golden isn't canon!
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>>82422224
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>>82422224
I like him more than Junpei.

I was glad that Junpei's girlfriend died.
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>>82422224
He wouldn't have gone that far had Naoto not pushed the idea.
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>>82422359
for you

>>82422414
literally never happened
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I just bought Persona 3 (FES?) and 4

Should I just play them in order? I mean I want to play them in order because that makes sense but I don't know if one is better than the other and I don't want to feel like the experience is declining as I play on.
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>>82421862
Junpei is one of the best male characters in the series, and Yosuke is one of the worst.

Its just coincidence they happen to share arcana and similar roles in the group.
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>>82422414
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>>82422414
She doesn't push shit
She brings it up, and doesn't say anything else
The huge tirade Yosuke goes on is all him
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>>82422570
4 is better gameplay-wise. Trust me. Force yourself to play P3 first
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>>82422542
Oh boy I was wondering when the Naoto apologist would reply to save her honor. Bitch suggested it first. She wanted him dead.
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>>82422576
They are all terrible, and thinking otherwise is an illusion that you have convinced yourself to be a truth.
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>>82422570
Yes you should play them in order, then play Arenas.
If for whatever reason you'll finish both games after PQ is released, play PQ before Arenas.
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Is Gekkoukan High gay?
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>>82422570
4 is better than 3 because it doesn't have the artificial difficulty, but if you play 4 before 3 you'll probably give up on it. Also 4 has alot of references to 3 so plays 3 first. There's only one reference to P2 in 3 so don't worry about that.
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>>82422682
Well, Kanji was pushing for it too, but everyone forgets that because they like him and only use that scene to attack characters they don't like, missing the whole point.
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>>82422570
You can play them in any order, but you'll miss some easter eggs if you play 4 first.

Play 4 first though, and save the better gamer for last.
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Movement and neutral feels so weird and gross in this game and I can't understand why. Im losing to stuff I see coming but I cant get in around for some reason. Im really experienced with Blazblue and Guilty and this seems similar, but I cant place exactly what it is thats so off or that I dont get
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>>82422682
She knows how to keep her hands clean while giving the really bad ideas to someone who would do it.

Just like she'd rather have a peaceful lie than cruel truth if you date her and another girl but choose them.
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>>82422683
>Force yourself to play P3 first

Jesus, don't tell him to do that.

4 is better, and you know it. That's why you had to tell him to "force" himself through it.

3 sucks and I wouldn't recommend it unless you really enjoyed 4 and wanted to play something else like it.
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>>82422759
>4 is better than 3 because it doesn't have the artificial difficulty,
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Is the town of Inaba gay?
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>>82422835
Shit man, its been a year since then and those posters are still there and so is the same garbage?

Sheesh Tatsumi Port, get your shit together.
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>>82422939
>Not allowing full party control
>Not making the game more artificial difficult especially in the answer just to up game time
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>>82422814
Kanji doesn't really 'push' either. He pushes about to the same extent that Rise, Chie, and Yukiko do to not throw him in.
Otherwise yeah, you're right.

>>82422864
Yes.
This doesn't mean she pushes the point - that's all on Yosuke.
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>>82422835
>Nobody has picked up the trash next to that electricity post in 2 years
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Is Igor gay?
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>>82423093
No, but with that nose you wish he was don't ya?
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Why do people say ultimax is already dead?
There are like over 200 people playing in the lobby, not counting the people in player match and ranked match.
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Is Koromaru gay?
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>>82423083
She still holds blame. They wouldn't have thought of it if it wasn't for her because they are all dumb.
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>>82423210
>over 200
>like a week after release
>on a saturday night
>not dead
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>>82422570
Play them in order.
1.Shin Megami Tensei: Persona
2.Persona 2: Innocent Sin
3.Persona 2: Eternal Punishment
4.Persona 3 FES
5.Persona 4 Golden
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>>82422759
>There's only one reference to P2 in 3 so don't worry about that.
Theres a couple.
Nanjo name drop.
The school motto on the sculptures at Gekkoukan.
The shadows Kirijo was storing was exactly like the NWO was collecting Kegare in EP.
Trish interviewing the different P1/2 people.
Lisa "Fitness Expert" Silverman
All the Maya and Tatsuya stuff in the Hermit link.

There's a bow for Yukari named after Maki's revelations name, Mary, too.
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>>82423210
>200 worldwide when it just came out
You act like that's a big number. 75% will disappear soon, the other 15 will probably quit within the next few months and the last 10% will stay around for a while just because they either have nothing else to do or like persona.
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>>82422960
After Yu moved in, yes.
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>>82423257
Considering how the games goes I can actually believe that.
She is at fault for suggesting it, Yosuke is at fault for going nuts about it.
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>>82423093
His daddies are gay.
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>>82423336
>The shadows Kirijo was storing was exactly like the NWO was collecting Kegare in EP.
Not true.

>All the Maya and Tatsuya stuff in the Hermit link.
wasn't present in the original version
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>>82423257
Even if that were true, which I don't agree with, the situation would then just be "should Kanji snap him in half like a twig?"
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>>82423336
Only one I'd argue that doesn't matter is the Maya one since it was not there in the original. Everything else you listed was.

>>82423410
Dude the Kirijo blob shadows look a lot like the blob kegare of EP.
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>>82423410
>Not true.
Dude, yes it was.

>wasn't present in the original version
So? Hes not playing the jap version.
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>>82422864
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>>82423490
No see because the TV stuff has plausible deniability. If you just killed him straight up there'd be a shit ton of evidence. Not only that, it's easier and quicker to just toss him into the TV.
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Is the Kirijo Group trans?
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>>82423610
Which I'd buy if anyone was thinking rationally. But the whole point was no one was actually thinking. The whole thing was a stupid, rash decision.
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>>82423608
Such a shit character, holy shit
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>>82423576
>Dude, yes it was.

That's not how the nwo stored it
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Alright, that wasn't so bad Stingray.

I should really learn Adachis moves. Thanks for the games.
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>>82423705
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>>82423697
Huh? They're presented with two options - one messy, dangerous and extremely illegal and the other unproveable, easy and quick. You don't need to be a master strategist to understand that the second one is much better.
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>>82423720
Oh no! They were stored in cylinders with NWO but Kirijo put them in spheres. Totally different!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YlDQ1swlTU
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>>82423869
Yeah, if you're thinking rationally.
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Ken is the only character who got a good redesign

everyone else looks terrible and their outfits are too over the top
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>>82423720
But it is.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4YlDQ1swlTU

The shadow blobs you chase around in TV World and Tartarus are the same thing the NWO was sucking out of people.
Right down to the gooey hands reaching out for you.
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>>82423946
they're over the top so every character isn't just a dude wearing normal clothes

it's a fighting game
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>>82423945
Dude if they truly weren't thinking rationally they'd just kill him straight up. They were obviously rational enough to talk it through.
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Okay so if you unlock someone by beating there score attack on risky, how exactly do unlock non-playable ones like Fuuka and Nananko?
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>>82424012
Junpei's baseball practice uniform isn't that weird.
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>>82423962
>The shadow blobs you chase around in TV World and Tartarus are the same thing the NWO was sucking out of people.

Okay, now THIS isn't true at all. The mayas aren't kegare.
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>>82424024
Naoto was being rational. That's why she gave them the TV Idea.
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>>82424089
Maybe completing Challenges?
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Is Tatsumi Port Island gay?
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>>82423869
I don't know what you are actually trying to argue.

But yeah, the whole team is acting on emotions in that scene. They aren't thinking at all.

>>82424024
Yes, this is what almost happens. Because Yosuke is pushing for it. Until you yell at him to stop, while thinking rationally about it - Yu is the only one in the scene doing so. The entire tone changes after everyone calms down, and they start thinking again.

>>82424135
She is not thinking rationally when she suggests that they murder a guy.
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>>82424112
Akihiko's design is fucking stupid, and he gives Kanji shit for wearing his jacket over his shoulders and tells him to take it off because he can't fight with it on, meanwhile he's got this fucking dumb red cloak on

Mitsuru looks like a character from The Matrix

Yukari's shit... let's not even talk about it
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>>82424134
Mayas are shadows. Shadows and kegare have the exact same origin.
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>>82424112

Compared to his P3 attire it's 100% different.
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>>82424243
>Yes, this is what almost happens. Because Yosuke is pushing for it. Until you yell at him to stop, while thinking rationally about it - Yu is the only one in the scene doing so. The entire tone changes after everyone calms down, and they start thinking again.

But Yosuke even says "if you want to leave you can, but I know I can't let this bastard live". if he was truly not thinking rationally he'd just attack him right away
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I've played P4U for a few hours, and now I'm convinced that I suck.
Please, I need a coach. Or, at least, a training partner.
My PSN is Frosteleon, so plz add. And if you think you want to help more then message me and I'll drop in my skype and shit.
Just please, I'm tired of sucking.
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>>82424134
They are the exact same thing.
negative emotions and energy, given phsyical goo form.

P2 called it Kegare, 3/4 called them shadows.

its the same thing under 2 terms.
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>>82424323
no
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>>82424319
I think you have a very wide definition of the term "rational".
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>>82424302
>i don't know what anime is
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Is Tanaka's Amazing Commodities gay?
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>>82424306
Except shadows are more evolved and stuff. They have forms; kegare just kind of stood there. Kegare is like, the base element of a shadow but the shadows aren't just kegare walking around
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Is Valentines day only in golden
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>>82424373
Very few shadows have the goo form. Explain that.
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>>82424489
Yes
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>>82424437
If you hit kegare with a sword, Im sure you would end up fighting some shitty looking hulk hogans too.

Remember what it looked like when the Kegare took over Genji?
Its the same thing that happened to Namatame.
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How's everyone liking Ultimax?
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>>82424323

What are you having problems with?
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>>82424024
If they were thinking that rationally, would you still say no one else would have suggested it? It's pretty blindingly obvious.

>>82424243
I'm not really sure what anyone is trying to argue. The entire point of the scene was how easy it is to pin the blame on something and escape without learning the whole truth. Namatame had at that point killed someone close to them, and then his Shadow basically comes out and says "And I'll do it again, and the police can't stop me," which is basically true.

Literally everyone in the scene except Yu is to blame. "But X did more..." It doesn't really matter. Killing Namatame and letting him go would both end in Inaba being swallowed by the fog. The important part is that they were able to listen to reason, calm down, and think it through. Everything else is people just trying to make their favorite/least favorite character look better/worse.
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>>82424489
Remember to make everyone your girlfriend so that you can see everyone's Valentines event
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Is the Samegawa Flood Plain gay?
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>>82424539
>tfw never gonna play golden
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>>82424437
Then tell me why they have that blob look when exploring dungeons. Even with the "different forms" they still are not at their full potential as they were in P1 and P2. In the older games the shadows looked like real demons and creatures from lore. Now they are just basic forms.

Regardless, they are still the same. They are the sins/atrocities/negativity of humans.
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>>82424617
More than arena that's for sure, I haven't even touched the P4 original cast outside of story
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>>82424617
I'm just praying that this game doesn't end up like UNiEL once Xrd comes out
Then again, UNiEL wasn't promoted that much since it was import only and Atlus has put a ton of marketing money into the game
All I want is to have this game at EVO on the main stage
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>>82424610
>Its the same thing that happened to Namatame.

No, that's an entirely different thing. Namatame was seized by Kunino-sagiri who laid dormant inside of him. Same with Adachi.
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>>82424730
It will have emulators one day
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How is Mitsuru in Ultimax? Still a top tier character? Can you still charge Coup Driot during countdown?
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>>82424663
>Everything else is people just trying to make their favorite/least favorite character look better/worse.

The Naotofags though are the most notorious for trying to downplay or ignore her comment.
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>>82422224
Yosuke is basically Adachi before Adachi becomes a psychotic killer.
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>>82424758
Weren't the shadows in 1/2 in their "true" demon form because Nyarly basically gave them enough power to do so? Either way they're made of the same stuff, it's just a matter of how they appear.
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>>82424758
Shadows don't necessarily have to be sinful, atrocious or negative, they're just suppressed thoughts.

Metis and Teddie, for example, are both pretty positive.

>>82424897
I'm a Naotofag and I love how she acted in this scene.
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>>82424758
So are you trying to claim that in the dungeons they're all just blobs but they quickly mutate into the different forms in the battle transition? That's silly.
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these tarot cards are pretty low quality
the blue edges and the back are all blurry
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>>82424903
Adachi didn't kill anyone

he pushed a couple of people into a TV

the shadows are the psychotic killers

Adachi plead guilty to killing them, and I still don't understand why
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>>82424897
i'm a huge naotofag and i know she was super at fault in that scene

please don't let the bad ones cloud your opinion of all naotofags, we're not all bad.
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>>82424897
I'm a Naotofag. She was wrong. Completely. But people are often just remembering the parts of the scene they want.

The whole thing is basically The Answer cutscenes 2.0
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>>82425032
Adachi, pls go
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>>82424918
P1's excuse is because they're from Maki's mind. All those shadows is because of her.

P2 is because of Philemon and Nyarlathotep's strength being at a normal. This all changes in EP when the balance is tipped and Philemon is weak as fuck. In EPP Igor mentions the shadows are beginning to change because of the hearts of man are wavering (Phily being weak). We can see this change with the kegare, and eventually in P3/4
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>>82424758
Demons can't manifest without a buttload of shadows to aid them. Ameno and Kunino both require a ton of shadows fusing with their hosts to manifest, and likewise only an Avatar could be made of Nyx, while Kagutsuchi seeks to make his own body.

What I'm saying is basically Demons > Shadows

Even low tier ones like Slimes, Fairies, and Jack Frosts.
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>>82425176
no. YOU go
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>>82425176
I'm not Adachi, though he is an incredibly handsome and intelligent man who did nothing wrong. His only crime was a society that could not handle his genius.
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>>82425004
Are you the same guy that thought the P3 movies were going to be the bad end because we never see MC social linking with anyone, thus never getting the orb?
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>>82420740
but Nanako is your cousin, not an imouto
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>>82425032
>>82425281
Adachi a shit
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Rise a shit
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>>82425278
Of course the demon forms are more powerful than the generic hulk, jotun, maya, etc shadows. But that does not change the fact that they are the same thing. Only difference is their appearance.

True demons exist, but according to Demon Painter, they still haven't been found. Nothing we've encountered thus far in any Persona game is a true demon.
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>>82425332
Nope. I'd say that your claim that the shadows in the dungeons all are supposed to be blobs until you hit them with your sword is on par with that shitty theory though.
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>>82425032
>Pushing someone into a woodchipper isn't murder.
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>>82424402
This might be a good excuse if it weren't for the fact that a. Persona games generally are shown to take place in a real world and b. Soejima said about P4 specifically that he wanted to give characters a sense of reality in their designs. The further away from reasonability you get, the less meaningful points you want to make about real society are.
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Is Innocent sin online gay?
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>>82425391
No. She is Imouto.
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>>82425509
it aint murder if no one finds the body
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>>82425558
Pushing someone in the TV is a victimless crime. Like stealing cable.
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>>82425521
Wow, that top right design sucks. It's like they just put Chihiro in a track jacket.
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>>82425480
P4 has a cutscene directly showing maya shadows turning into halebries before a fight

I don't think it's that farfetched a theory
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>>82425475
>True demons exist, but according to Demon Painter, they still haven't been found. Nothing we've encountered thus far in any Persona game is a true demon.
Who knows.

Nyx was space rocks before it was Death.
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>>82424662
haha...haha...ha...
Dealing with autoattackers and spammers, without using Yu. And depending on who I'm against, in spite of using Yu.
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somebody have the capture of that thread when some anon wanted to get girls in P3 without social links?
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Is the guy who keeps posting about things being gay gay?
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>>82425630
That wasn't right when they were hit or anything. They appeared out of nowhere, then changed form, THEN attacked. I'm not saying that the shadows aren't just evolved mayas, I'm saying that the shadows grow into their forms on their own
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>>82425630
I like Maya shadows. Wish they returned.
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>>82425625
Well Soejima can only do so much detail, and also that's probably why he didn't use it.
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>>82425475
Well considering Persona takes place in the Amala Network and in the same timeline as Raidou and Devil Summoner: Soul Hackers I would say demons are very real and present, they just seem to magically vanish as soon as Personas get involved.
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>>82425662
>Dealing with autoattackers and spammers

What part of that? Are you just... not blocking? Spammers like who, a zoner like Yukiko or spamming like Sho/Minazuki pressure?
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>>82425535
Yes. Nothing but Tatsuyas and Juns ERPing everywhere. Worst MMO ever.
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>>82425767
Oh man that long hair is hideous
So glad he reconsidered that one
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>>82425475
Well I included Shadow Selves as well, except for the ones who are tamed, as their power is likely greater afterwards.
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>>82425645
I would say Nyx is the exception to the rule because she existed before humans.
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>>82425604
You wouldn't download a Persona
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>>82425767
Is that supposed to be Yukiko?

I like how that looks.
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>>82425923
That's not official art.
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>>82425817
Isn't that MMO based on Megami Tensei in the Japanese version?

Kinda wonder if they have any bosses beyond YHVH once he's beaten in MTII good end.
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>>82425953
well yeah obviously

but i like how it looks
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>>82425746
Are you saying you couldn't detect the tongue n cheek nature of the sword comment, and actually thought the argument was that lore wise they required to be bopped on the head with a piece protag-held steel?
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>>82425923
It is, but as already said it's not an official piece of art. It's just based on one of the early Yukiko designs.
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>>82426236
No? Saying that the shadows somehow turn from basic blobs to these complex shapes in the span of seconds is silly. That's really it.
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>>82426351
who do you go with to get that?
Rise? or one of the other girls
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>>82426389
But they literally do that in that cutscene
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>>82419942
>Giving Liz a short skirt
Disgusting
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>>82425815
haha...both.
I do block, but whenever I think I'm finally free to move again I just get hit by another fucking fan or Sho. Idk, maybe I just need to improve my reflexes.
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>>82426460
Adachi and Namatame were also literally torn apart by shadows in cutscenes
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>>82426328
I would have liked to see Chie and Yukiko wearing jeans instead of skirts all the time.
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>>82426450
Ayane, Yumi and Ai.
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>>82426540
Pants are nice.
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>>82426450
go with one of the lowtier girls
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>>82426625
>>82426351
What is this?
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>>82422224
Junpei whines just about the entire game, and is an asshole to the MC.
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>>82426625
I always end up with Rise no matter what.
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>>82426625

I don't get this.
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>>82426389
Yeah, thats clearly out of line for this fantastical anime series about magic, friendship, and robots.
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>>82426460
shadow labrys does that too
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>>82426625
>Ai
>lowtier
How dare you
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>>82426540
Me too
Maybe then we'd finally see who has the nicest ass
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Looking for PSN dudes to play with. I suck ass. I'm trying to learn how to play Adachi and Rise.
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>>82426625
>tfw you can't go to the summer festival with naoto
>tfw you will never see naoto in a kimono
why did the best girl have to come so late

also, does anyone have a picture of what they say when you go to the summer festival with yukiko? i've never seen that one.
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>>82426772
we have the high cut armors for that

spoilers: it's yukiko
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>>82426540
I think Chie at least wears shorts sometimes. Honestly both their designs have more than a few odd points, Yukiko most of all considering how she's supposed to be very traditional and safe-seeming, yet breaks the uniform colour scheme more than anyone else in IT. Chie's a close second.
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>>82426728
Firework festival event in golden

>>82426736
i went with chie ans rise and yusuke suspects it
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>>82426732
Suns and Ai ask you out if you are on rank 2 or above with them, other girls if you are dating them, except for Rise who always asks you out.
I think only Suns and Ai had that event in vanilla though.
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>>82426790
There's a lobby up right now called /pg/
One spot's left so hurry up
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>>82426946
>except for Rise who always asks you out.

Whore.
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>>82426876
I still don't understand whats happening. They're all just saying random shit
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>>82427019
Eh, I'm done for tonight. I've actually been playing all day today. I'll probably play again tomorrow, though.
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>>82427071
you are dumb
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>>82426730
Still better than Yosuke
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>>82427071
Yusuke is asking if i went to the festival the next day with a girl
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>>82427074
eh, im alwayus down for casual, i play da man
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>>82427263
so?
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>>82427263
>Yusuke
Anon, please stop
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>>82427321
i dont even remember his name anymore jesus
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>>82427574
It's in the fucking picture
Are you the dude that keeps calling Teddie "Teddy"?
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>>82427747
i just need some sleep
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>>82426389
How is it silly?
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>>82428136
man im sure not jelly
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>Personaless Sho moveset

So why the fuck he isnt classified as a boss character?
He is almost as bad as Elizabeth.
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>>82428049
Because the only other shadows that quickly change are the main Shadows, and they have a pretty extensive "powering up" sequence.. Saying that every single shadow does when you start a fight with them is just silly.
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>>82428187
http://vocaroo.com/i/s0Zta1CwG0BF
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>>82428187
JELLYYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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>>82428212
Those halberies changed pretty quickly
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>>82428417
So? Are you seriously saying that the cutscenes should be taken as 100% literal? The main Shadows have a very visible transforming sequence.
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>>82428401
thanks for making me feel terrible anon
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>>82428401
>new Chie
ruined.
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>>82428516
Yes
They are animated cutscenes
They are there to show what happens
They are completely divorced from mechanics and are the most accurate representation of what is actually happening
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I hope im not lagging too hard ;-;
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>>82424089
So does no one know how to unlock unplayable navigation characters?
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>>82428627
Ah, so Namatame and Adachi literally got torn apart by shadows and transformed into those big bosses. I see. How did they turn back though?
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Where can i find the p4au sprites?
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>>82428136
Post confessions of love
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>>82428702
the sameway nanako cameback to life
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I probably should've learned more than one Mitsuru combo before coming online

>>82428675
You're ok
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>>82428786
No.
Last time we did, we reached image limit like 400 posts before bump limit
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>>82428797
Oh, so teddie brought them back? I don't see why he'd do that though.
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>>82428702
Yes this did happen.
This process is described pretty early on in the game: small shadows are attracted to big ones, and they merge into a bossform. This is what happened with Adachi and Namatame.

Why do you think they would include these cutscenes if it didn't happen? Just waste budget for shits and giggles?

>How did they turn back though?
Not answered - doesn't mean that the cutscenes didn't happen. My guess is that the megashadow was weakened enough that the smaller shadows dispersed and they un-merged.
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>first time going into any online mode
> /pg/ lobby
>dat kanji

Christ. I feel like my ass is going to be grass.
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>>82428786
i love naoto

does that count
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>>82428890
But it was fun.
And it made people feel warm inside.
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>>82428786
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>>82428909
>small shadows are attracted to big ones, and they merge into a bossform. This is what happened with Adachi and Namatame.

But it's not because their forms were ones that Izanami planted inside of them. They weren't just a mass of shadows, they were their own thing.
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>>82428895
Where does it say Teddie brought Nanako back to life? You're just guessing.

I can be obtuse too
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>>82428992
>girl naoto
that's the entire opposite reason i got with her
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>>82429036
It's implied, dude.
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>>82428978
>
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>>82428992
It looks kinda like she has a little buck teeth there.
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>>82429020
Well then, perhaps it's the sagiri inside them, empowered by the little shadows, becoming able to physically manifest.

Regardless of the process, none of this refutes the fact that the cutscenes did literally happen
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>>82428748
this, mega.co links are broken
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>>82428924
Kanji isnt that hard, im just bad.
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>>82429106
it just seems so strange, doesn't feel right.
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>>82429265
I was the Yukari. This is quite exhilarating.
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>tfw you IK a 10th dan Narukami player
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>>82429385
It's hard to say with all those clothes on.
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>>82429347
yukari vs kanji is in her favor, you just gonna learn to keep him away since he only has one tool to keep you close
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>>82429474
Matchups are things that bad players use to justify their bad plays. If you were truly good you'd be able to beat anyone regardless of matchup
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>you'll always be alone and you'll never feel love like any of the persona girls
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>>82429575
you...you should play marvel with that mentality.
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>>82429669
Maybe you should stop playing shit games like MGS then, and your life will turn around.
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>>82429669
i really didn't need these feels right now
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>>82429674
A sufficiently skilled player can beat another player, regardless of either person's characters
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where can i get the sprite rips for persona 4 arena ultimax? the links for them dont work anymore
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like...how do i dodge kanji's airgrab? I though crotching made you immune to that shit?
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Go to /v/ if you want to dump screenshots.

or at least dump interesting ones, and not story stuff everybody has seen a million times.
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>>82429960
it does
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>>82429960
I usually special or dash, 80% of the time I fail though.
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>>82429758
it was the only one that accurately represented how i felt
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>>82429960
>crotching
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If Kanji tries to do the dive then CROUCH and it won't work
If you know he's going to try to his big command grab then HOP
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>>82429713
I try not to think of you ever
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>>82429349
>not "I came here to Sho you up"
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>>82430053
Its okay anon, I was just kidding
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so who here is expecting something about the 2d P3 movie on the next full moon?
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I'm sorry Junpey I should've done better ;_;
>>82430371
Jesus why
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>>82422835
I can't help but wonder how Persona 3 fans felt about the Tatsumi Port trip, Seeing Chihiro again,voiced and all was such a shock. Being unable to explore Gekkukan and maybe spot some of P3'P's other friends was a wasted opportunity it would of been great to see Toruni again.
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>>82430371
no
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>>82430479
P3P was after P4.
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>>82430631
the fuck are you even talking about
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>>82430479
>Toruni

You mean Torumi
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why can't she be real
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>>82430479
This is one hell of a post
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>>82430852

Why would you want her to be real? You should be wishing to be pixels like her.
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thebrett on Twitch is streaming P4AU
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>>82430752
P4 came out before P3P. That guy was talking about P3P characters.
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>>82430441
what? its all good, I'm off my game right now.
I'm actually just really bad but I compensate by saying otherwise
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>>82430631
>P3Pfags are THIS delusional
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>>82430752
P3P was released after P4.
Thats why the sports trip for FeMC went to Inaba
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>>82430901
pixelated booty probably doesn't feel that nice
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>>82430364
I am. Seems reasonable with P4GA finished. Updates on the movie used to occur consistently each month on the full moon also.
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>>82430852
Because there is no god
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>>82430925
Unless he's doing Dark souls with a fightstick again I don't care
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>>82430997
Yukari's a cutie.
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>>82431160
hehehe
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>tfw they still havent removed thunderfists
why
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>>82431298
Also in that manga she literally bullies Fuuka. Pic related
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>JoJo reference
Why Atlus. Kanji just went on my shitlist
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>>82431390
where
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>>82431390
Kanji versus Mitsuru end quote
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>>82431495
His winquote against Mitsuru is "I don't know Kirijo from Jojo, but you've sure proved you got guts."
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>>82431728
jesus
i bet the jojo guys paid them
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>>82431390
Wasnt the entire IT intro in Q a jojo reference?
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>>82431917
No? Soejima and the gang are friends of Araki
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>>82431925
also kanjis shadow was a reference to bara and that sort of thing
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>>82431925
Yes. well, they all were posing like jojos so pretty much yeah
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>>82432008
bara didnt start with Jojo
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Would anyone in the persona cast make it in a world of STR?
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>>82433717
Nanjo and Akihiko. Easily.
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>>82433717
probably ulala
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>>82433717
I want to fuck Yaksini
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Sho's edges are sharp enough to cut through Nintendium. I love it.
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>>82433881
>Sho openly calls Yukari a bitch

He's saying what we're all thinking
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>>82433881
>I-It's not like I care about Ikutsuki or anything like that, m-mesuinu!

I also find is fucking hilarious he called Yukari a bitch.
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>>82433881
I dont like this
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>>82433881
I know nothing about this character and after reading that it seems that he is edginess personified.

Why is he even a character?
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>>82434030
I'd call her a bitch too. Seeing her get all flustered and angry would be amazing
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>>82434298
That line needs to be recorded in youtube so I can have it for reasons.
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>>82433881
Well, you've convinced me not to bother with the story mode. Thanks for saving a few hours of my life, I guess.
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>>82433827
Reminder that you will never fuck a demon
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>>82434748
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>>82434748
But I already did yo mum
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>>82434748
Oh god, that picture has like all the good ones too.
Only one missing is Cybele
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>>82434519
Turn text skip ON and use R1 to get to the fights.
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>>82434519
You fight an eva at the end, that's kind of cool for the like 6 or 7 fights you have to do.
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>>82434414
All these scenes are already on YouTube. That's where the screens are from.

>>82434296
His primary role in the story is basically to accentuate how stupid it all is.
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>>82435793
Take your bond hating to Philly, Sho.
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>>82434519
It's alright with the exception of Sho and Adachi's teenage misanthropy.
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>>82435878
The entire game is about Sho and DLCdatchi's teenage angst.
and also yaoi.
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>give Minazuki well informed retorts
>Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion man

Dis nigga serious?
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>>82435984
Minazuki, a.k.a. Plume, pretty much nailed what's wrong with P4.
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>Patrick Seitz as Kagutsuchi

I keep anticipating a dad comment out of him.
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>>82436418
Gone soft after piloting the robot?
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>>82436596
Stop being so damn lewd, Travis Willingham.
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>>82435793
As annoyingly edgy as he is, I can appreciate a character that just directly shits on all the positive morals/themes that P3/4 are built around.

Although I enjoy Adachi being that character more.
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>>82436882
At the end of ISP, Nyarly pretty much just calls everyone out on their contradictions.
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>>82437005
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>>82436882
I might as well if the writers had made an effort to challenge their morals instead of just repeatedly saying the world is garbage or shit. Same with Adachi. Whom when provoked by a group of teenagers, called them dumbasses and told them to shut up.

though maybe i'm just expecting too much from writing in a video game.
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>>82437546
That's the point though
I don't know about Sho, but Adachi was purposely like that because he's literally an adult acting like a fucking child and throwing a selfish shitfit just because he's an asshole
He's not mature enough to care to even TRY to be that clever and would rather just tell them to fuck off
Granted he does try to do it to an extent but is just like no fuck you after they poke the slightest hole in his logic, which further accentuates the point that he's literally just acting like a dumb kid
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>>82437546
The IT called Adachi a dumbass and told him to shut up first, they completely denied everything he said. So to me it just comes across as a bunch people saying 'you're wrong' to each other. In the end though Adachi is a murderer and the villain so his argument loses out.
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>>82437717
Sho on the other hand is a child who spent years in a coma and only came out of it not to long before settling in Inaba when the murders happen.

Wait why didn't Izanami notice him? She always passed on a power to those new to town and Adachi at least had been there for a bit.
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>>82438160
prolly cuz of the plume of dusk
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>>82438160
Izanami didn't notice him because Sho was a character created for the sequel and they had to tie him into P4's plot somehow, so they just said that Sho was in Inaba all along. So basically it's an ass pull.
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>>82437935
Yeah, no one made a whole lot of effort for debate there. Which is realistic for mortal enemies on the battlefield and all, but I still would've liked to hear more.
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>>82438693
In the beginning of the argument Adachi makes some points which the IT completely ignores, they don't refute them at all. Then all of sudden the IT stops being dumb and starts making some sense, and then Adachi just keeps denying everything. I gotta say that it wasn't really satisfying for me to fight Adachi, felt like I was beating up some loser with my cool and friends. I don't agree with what Adachi did, but it just made me feel kinda bad I guess. Usually, you want feel like you're beating up somebody you really hate for the final boss. Maybe that was the intention in the first place, or maybe I'm just a loser for feeling some pity for Adachi.
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>>82438160
Why didn't Izanami notice Yosuke, Rise or Naoto?

>>82438520
This is the actual answer
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>>82437717
That's the impression I had and assumed was their intent, but still leaves me disappointed. A usual misanthropic antagonist lacking much of a justified rationale behind their actions.

The accomplice ending also does not even show you the kind of world produced from your actions, and is nothing more than a bitch ending for just being his accomplice. rather disappointmenting

>>82439289
>Adachi makes some points which the IT completely ignores
Yeah I was hoping the IT might consider the positives of living in that kind of world. Take into consideration how they were before they faced their shadows, and resolve themselves to feel otherwise using what they've experienced that year.

Similar to what happened in December for P3. Where they're not sure how to feel after they hear the news of the apocalypse, and have scenes together reflecting on what they've experienced before coming to a decision.
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>>82439565
Yosuke had apparently been living there for awhile. Even before Adachi arrived most likely.

Rise and Naoto didn't come till after she got her three subjects.
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how many of you are responsible for the junpei spam in the lobby
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>>82440202
me, and my botnet
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>>82440202

I was there

Tah-dah dah daaah!
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>>82440318
>>82440354
so many junpeis but not a single man
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>>82429960

Don't jump. His airgrab will always grab you. Unless you hit his Persona, but don't be that guy.
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>>82441926
Aigis and her air C does a pretty good counter to it
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What determines the level of a fused persona in P4? I can't make out a pattern
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>>82443164
based level plus a % of XP derived from their base level and your social link rank
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>>82443308
but social link gets added afterwards, right?
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>>82443551
Yeah.
1 social link rank = half a level approx
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>>82440085

MC is looking at Yu with kust in his eyes.
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>>82440082
Well, that's the main flaw of the IT in general. Adachi is right about some generalities that the IT just totally ignores and is able to persist only because they have more people and an unshakable belief that they're doing the right thing. Problem is they have no nuance whatsoever, and never really step out of their very narrow cliche boxes except for brief moments around their initial introduction.

Not to mention that some of the 'problems' the IT pride themselves on overcoming are things like "you know, I was just leaning on this person too much" or "I was pretty self-centered for a while". Minor things compared to almost any other dysfunction a person in high school might have, but also they're dropped immediately afterward. The 'people in Inaba are interested in gossiping and the media even if it means others are dying' angle got brushed under the rug since all it took to save the day was for Yu and his friends to impress a demon or two.

Basically, it's not very well-written.
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>>82444350
>kust
Ya dun goofed
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>>82444436
No persona game is well written, what did you expect
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>>82444616
le shitp2ster face
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>>82444616
P2 had a good story, and P3 had good characters.

P4 had good waifu sim dialog.
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Anyone find it a little weird how often P4 characters and Labrys kept bringing out how the P3 characters show no hesitation whatsoever in battling a foe that looks like one of their friends? Labrys I can understand she's new to all of this but the IT should know better.
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>>82444616
I thought P2 and P3 were at least interesting, P4's premise seems good and some plot points are interesting in it, but overall it just doesn't deliver for me.
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>>82445101
>but the IT should know better.
They dont need to know any better. They have Yu to save them from whatever.
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>>82445759
P5 will end like DR2 with the previous protag jumping in and saving everyone
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>>82445101
keep in mind by the time things came to blows for the IT, their foes had stopped looking like their friends and become mishappen monsters
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