Real-Time Strategy General

>>78492978
First for stalin did nothing wrong

>>78493393

Heetler plz

third for supcom 2

GOD DAMN BLACK MESSIAH HITLER DID NOTHING WRONG

Fifth for Hitler being a closet faggot.

KCH combined with Grandiers /w Scherks. Wehr god-tier faction

>>78492978
dat fuckin pic

did you get it from here / /twg/?

AOE 2 > AOE 3 > AOM > AOE 1 > AOEO > AOE 2 EE > AOM EE

twitch tv/BlindMindStudios
SR2 stream is on

>>78501208
that faggot with a mic made of solidified interference. can't watch that

>>78501049
WOLOLO>

>>78492978
Is RoN worth getting. Im sure this has been asked before but give me fact based opinions.

Hey, guys. Can someone tell me what the max population limit is in AoM: extended edition? (original AoM population cap was too low, i like to build large armies)

My awesome substitute teacher introduced me to Total Annihilation. He showed me some basic rules, but he can still rek me hard. I bought Planetary Annihilation recently, he's getting in a week and we're going to 1v1. Any tips he might have missed when playing TA/PA? Also, any sites other than PAmatches.com that I should look at?

>>78505612

pls respond ;_;

pls i know you, yes i mean YOU reading this here knows how much the population cap is in AoM:EE, why don't you want to share your knowledge? i will suck ur cock if u tell me

>>78505612
Same.

>>78505585
It's okay. Campaign are extremely boring because SKIRMISH SKIRMISH SKIRMISH but the gameplay mechanisms are neat.
Too bad it becomes repetitive really quickly.

>>78505585
I'd say no. MP is ded, and singleplayer is a series of skirmishes with some neat mechanics. Get Rise of Legends instead.

>>78506749
really? they didn't raise pop limit like they did with AoE 2 HD ? =(

Whoever is in charge of making the driving AI in CoH2 should be sent to the gulags.

>>78508343
>=(
fuck off autist

>>78509274
You ain't seen nothing untill you try wheeled vehicle driving ai in mowas2. It even has better shit ai than coh.

>>78506048
Halp

>>78511842
Git gud.

Does anyone have the link to Knights of Honor?

>>78512647
You mean to the Steam page?

>>78512809
kek

>>78512614
But h-how anon?
I only know how to git gud in CS GO (I'm not even that good anyway)

anyone here play FAF (supreme commander forged alliance)?

>>78506048
>My awesome substitute teacher

You seem to have quite a close relationship with your teacher, anon.

does he touch you?

>>78512905
https://mega.co.nz/#F!2RAgRDwZ!Tk0vw9SfiuZ_ltmRoJwWcA

>>78514335
Only congenially inthebutt

>>78513146
Yes, religiously.

>>78514335
Does anyone here play PA?

>>78516207
I have it, but don't play. It was the biggest gaming-related letdown in the last few years for me.

>>78518118
Why?

>>78513146
Yes, a lot. But without the retarded fanpatches.

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>>78513146
I really want to but I'm shit so I never end up doing it

>>78518118
>>78518548
I'm the guy with the teacher he wants to beat.

I found it very satisfactory considering it's not finished and they're still building it

I get stutters (not fps stutters) on occasion and I would like more features and a more complete soundtrack

But still, far from a let down for me. I wanted expansive TA and I'm pretty sure that's what I got.

Plus, more mods are on the way.

>>78521628
>Plus, more mods are on the way.
So you admit that the game is so bad it needs mods to be decent.

>>78523535
No, I'm saying it will be even better.

>>78523671
No matter how much you multiply zero, it'll still be zero.

>>78523772
>multiplying
>not adding
retard

Guys, the Gentool (mod tool for C&CG/ZH) site and mirrors are down, does anyone have version 6.5? Or working mirror?

>>78523535
Imaging having some nice chianti. It is good. But then you add some fava beans and liver and it becomes a meal to kill for.

>tfw no forged alliance Seraphim campaign
;_;

>>78528252
>implying PA is chianti
It's shit.

>>78528457
I am implying your reasoning is fallacious. Whether it does apply to the game in question or it does not is irrelevant.

>>78529090
Putting chantilly over shit doesn't turn it into chocolate.

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>>78528447
Why would you want to play as a filthy xenos? This is heresy.

>>78528447
thank god. those ugly fucks dont deserve one

>>78529451
Equalling improvement from an optional component with shortcomings of a core is a fallacy. Which is the only thing I care about.
I don't care about PA one bit.
I will stop feeding you now, you have had more than enough to sustain yourself until someone actually falls for one of your crude baits.

So I see Company of Heroes 2 is on sale on Amazon for 10 dollars standard/20 for deluxe
I heard the game is riddled with DLC and very unbalanced but i loved the fuck out of CoH (even though it was mostly against AI with friends)
is the standard/deluxe edition worth it
also would like to add I have a 5 dollar gift card so it would be $5/$15
Is there tons of changes from the first and does the AI change tactics or do they still get stuck on bridges like in the first one

>>78505612
I think there are mods on the workplace that increase the cap.

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>>78530043
So, I suppose 40kfags are basically the bronies of the RTS genre, at this point?

>>78531541
Wouldn't bronies be the 40kfags of the whatever they are? I think they came first and are even more autistic.

>>78531541
no. the ones you hear are just a very vocal part.
many of them can discuss shit without doing le heresy maymay and retarded shit like that.

i see the similarities but you could do that with every group

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>>78531171
It's kind of all over the place. I'd say it's worth it for 10 bucks, but I don't think the deluxe version is worth bothering over. Meta is pretty stale and repetitive and balance currently favors Axis to the point that pic related is par for the course in matchmaking. Allies are very micro heavy and punishing by comparison, and don't get any interesting units(USF only uses one unit for 90% of the match.).

Oh, and this should go without saying if you've played CoH1, but BUY MINE SWEEPERS!

>>78531698
That's a pretty good point. I motion for the titles to be reversed, then, as 40k is a much more vintage form of faggotry.

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Beware local bike thief

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>>78532317
it's the german front the Western front
the partisans destroyed all the railroad so they bike to the battlefield

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>>78532823

Whoever suggested buying STORM: Frontline Nations I thank you dearly, this fucking game is so fucking addicting and good, I had rather low expectations but I was pleasantly surprised. But I feel bad only giving 69 cents, it feels like I'm robbing them

>>78531171
The AI is still nonexistent.
It MIGHT be worth 15 for errything, but it's a stretch.
5 for the base game is a bargain.

>>78535421
I picked up a few weeks ago for $2.99, and I feel bad only giving them that. The game is a little clunky, and the tech tree isn't perfect, but I've been having a lot of fun, too.
Ireland will never bow to English tyranny! Dirty bombs and suitcase nukes for everyone!

>>78532120
>>78535603
guess ill skip out on CoH2 and stick with 1 then
thanks

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>>78536623

Get the standard version. Like you said it's only gonna be $5. Try out the two armies you get, and get a feel for it yourself. Play a few games with the /rtsg/ bros in the Steam group, too.

>>78536623

If it's AI you're looking for then it'll be the same. Relic programmed AI is all about capping points in all their games.

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mfw I just finished a three hour long game of AoEII against the ai

Any Ra players here/?
How do I scout or county heavy myth unit skew?
best I've come up with for both is just use sphinxes

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Anyone make their own badges and regiments?

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>watching a gyle cast
>one of the players has 530 engineers

Itt: Shit you hate in RTS

>Static defenses being useless
>Population limit
>Resource collection limit

>>78555369
>turtling fags

>>78555369
You're literally garbage at this genre if those are serious complaints.

Just go play some tower defense flash game or a zombie sandbox game like GayZ or something

>>78557168
Sure is mad as fug :DDD

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>>78557235
>U mad xDDDD
>comes crying to /rtsg/ because he can't git gud, whining that games don't let him turtle.

>>78557445
>Being mad

top cake

explain this fgt

>Build defensive structure
>Have to defend it or it'll get rekt by units that outrange it

ebin logic

>>78555369
How to word this properly so that people don't get butt mad
>static defenses not good against rush
>population costs above 1
>resource limits/total gather rate limits

>>78557556
You should have to defend it against its counters, thats the strategy part of the game

>>78557564
Why would people get mad at not liking arbitrary restraints? They're just there so to rubberband the shitters.

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>>78557669
>population limits were originally an artificial restraint

>>78558220
But it is? What's the point of having a population limit?

As if the fucking Teutonic Order kept exactly 200 men at all times. Doesn't make any sense.

>>78558339
technical restraints? not just one's computer but also their connection.

Anyway population caps add more strategy to the game since they force you to choose from population efficient and resource efficient

>>78555369
>ai dodges artillery every time

why is aoe2 so shit

>>78557556
It's almost like you need strategy in an strategy game.

>>78561803
>Strategy
>Need to defend things that exist for the sole purpose of defending other things

epic I like it

>>78561803
>It's almost like you need strategy in an strategy game.

You're so funny, anon.

Building the forticfications is actually closer to actual strategy as far as warfare is concerned than the unlucky so who has to tear them down.

Emplacements and fortified positions are strategic objectives.
Assaulting them is idiocy.

The real strategist starves the city/castle, circuvements the fortified position, et cetera.
Rushing into it is something an ape would do and it should come with the consequences ape-like behaviour has in warfare.

While on the topic of static defenses, I just wanted to say that the age of empires series does it well.
The castle and fortress ages are aptly named, as taking one down ends up being a monumental spending of resources in those ages, as they cannot be outranged.
Also in supreme commander the cybran rapid fire artillery and the Mavor can definitely defend themselves

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>People wouldn't hate turtling if it wasn't lethally effective in those games that don't deliberately nerf it

How dare those awful bastards actually have defenses when you attack. That makes it harder to win! And I wanna win!

>>78530304
Yeah, run away while pretending you're the smart one. Everyone can see you're wrong and out of arguments.

>>78564072
>implying faggot won't whine about anything
>"how dare that guy rush me with low tier units? NERF"
>"how dare that guy yurtle? NERF"
>"how dare that game not play like I do? NERF"

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>>78563167
>Monumental spending of resources
>160 wood 75 gold

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>>78566308
>he thinks one battering ram can destroy a castle
Maximum lel newfag

>>78566673
But it can, even if the castle has crenelations, the ram will ruin it easily.

>>78566308
>160 wood 75 gold
>per unit
>a single one isn't going to do shit before it gets paladin'd to death, you need five or six at least
>they're going to die in seconds unless they have a large army defending them
>that army is going to take casualties from the army of archers and paladins any smart player has garrissoned inside an important castle

>not monumental spending

>>78566780
This is what newfags actually believe.

>>78566824
It's true doe.

>>78566861
It's not. And don't call me Doe. My name is Shirley.

ITT: people being assravaged that they cannot masturbatorily place defenses and win without any interaction

>>78566928
>ITT: Turboscrub thinks he's a master strategist for making one trebuchet and 199 paladins

>>78566928
ITT: people being equally assravaged that they cannot masturbatorily stream units at the enemy and win without any interaction

seriously, in what world does building nothing but defenses equal a win?

I remember turtling a lot when I was a kid. Now that I've grown up a bit, a rely a lot fucking more on tropps rather than turrets.
I remember I played that way because I hated losing units.

It's been a while since I turtled properly.

>>78566989
supreme commander
mavor op

>>78567042
>implying you don't need a shitload of ressources to build that
>implying you don't need to hold most of the map
>implying it doesn't turn into you turtling all around the enemy base rather than you turtling in your base
Artillery is expensive as fuck in SupCom.

>>78566989
AoE
>Pick defensive civ
>Make a shit tone of walls
>Ranged units to attack from behind them
>Build a Wonder once you're ready

>>78561904
>>78562529
Defenses are meant to supplement your forces' ability to hold an area.

Not to fucking do it all by themselves while you sit and drink coffee like a lazy shit.

If you want to just wall yourself off for 10 minutes while casually building up a death blob to storm an enemy that has no straight forward counter to your turtling, go play Starcraft 2 and play as Terran.

Git gud and stop crying that you have to actually apply effort and thought into a game instead of just building arbitrary structures that should supposedly keep the enemy from ever contesting ground without investing inordinate resources just to deal with a single, brainless obstacle.

This is literally why artillery was invented, and why any decent RTS has it readily available. Learn2strategy before whining about how unstrategic it is for you to have to actually move your shit around and engage the enemy.

Is there any RTS featuring stealth in a satisfactory way?
SupCom has a stealth field, but given the AI cheats anyway, and given you can order artillery to attack a point rather than a building, it's pretty useless.

>>78567286
>stop crying
>writes massive posts explaining why he mad

tiptop minikek

>>78567343
SC1's stealth for terran stuff/cloaking was cool.

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>>78567361
>Anyone who doesn't agree with me is mad!
It's like I'm on /v/

>>78567415
Retards... Retards never change.

>>78567343
This is actually a good time to recomend battle realms, Serpent clan specifically.
Their all about stealth and traps. It's a really fun playstyle

>>78568328
Caltrops + mines + musketeers with sight = maximum samurai slaughter.

>Being able to organize your ships into fleet elements for instance. "These 25 ships stay in front of these other fleet-elements and their job is to block shots which would hit the fleet commander. This other fleet-element stays in the back and tries to find holes in the enemy fleet's defenses to hit the flagship with lasers. This third element roams around behind the front line repairing things with repair beams, favoring the large ships. This fourth element breaks off from the fleet and fires grappling lines on the largest support ships of the enemy fleet or the longest-ranged weaponry platforms of the fleet and tries to drag them away from the fight as far as possible" might be your Fleet's strategic settings, and then you could put ships into those 'buckets' you made in the settings (or hopefully have them be automatically placed into those buckets).
That sounds really cool but I was thinking more along the lines of ships having utilities and roles outside of combat. Haulers, mobile construction, miners, orbital refineries, scuttlers, planet resource leeches. Shit like that.

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What games let you kill infidels?

>>78568607
There are already mobile gates.

>>78567271
So don't allow the Wonder victory condition?

>>78568916
Age of Empires II.

>>78567343
You can do some really cool stuff using stealth in multiplayer games. Like how a T2 cybran rocket bot has a larger range than a T2 point defense' intel radius. Couple it with some stealth and you can snipe the PD then kite anything that retalliates without having to build T2 MMLs.
Or that the stealth field stays active when loaded into a transport, so you go seraphim, get a cybran to build you some T2 mobile stealth and do stealthed ilshavoh drops.
Supreme Commander against the AI just isn't very good.

>>78569613
>Turning off victory continues because you can't counter them

2casual4me

>>78569694
>I won't turn off a victory condition, but I'll whine and shitpost that it's allowed at all

>>78492978
So how's Age of Empires 2 HD? Is it worth the few bucks it's on Steam for right now? How's the new expansion?

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>>78568916
nigga dat sum cossack

>>78570253
It's objectively and literally shit.
Only nostalgiafags play it while repeating ad infinitum that "its ze best game evar xDDD".

>decides to step it up in SupCom
>goes against normal AI
>instantly get bombed
>leave the game
>go cry under the shower

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>>78570536
yes

>>78558543
so the lower the cap the more strategy involved?
i knew dota was a true RTS

>>78555369
>hoping static defenses will be useful after Tour de France 1940

Is Space Rangers a RTS?

>>78563167
there is no fortress age. and if by fortress age you mean imperial age then you're wrong. there's several things that can outrange them.

>>78574831
There's a fortress age in AoE3.

>>78574921
oh sorry. i totally forgot about aoe3. my bad then.

>>78570536

S-Sundowner?

So is Star Ruler (1 or 2) actually good then? The 1st looks bargain bin-tier

>>78575371
The first is a piece of shit that will make you rage a thousand time.
The second is in early access and therefore uncomplete, but seems okay despite weird stuff left and right.

>>78575324
ayy lmao

>>78570253
I regret destroying my treasured childhood memories

>>78575371
The first was great and very unique but had some glaring problems. You'll either love it or hate it.
The second will probably shape up very nicely, but it's too early to say whether or not it'll be good. I haven't been enjoying it very much so far but I'm yet to try the new patch or the experimental branch.

>>78575371
The first was an unfinished piece of shit.
The second was an unfinished piece of shit.

>>78584110
>game's not even released yet
>was

Everytime I try to join MM in Assault Squad 2 I get an eternal 'Connecting', anyway to fix this?

>>78585182
Who are you quoting?

>>78567286
I actually remember fags that played brits in CoH1 with SimTown in mind.
They were so ass ravaged when two squads of Storm troopers blown them the fuck up.

>>78548748
I once made PETA Chaos Space Marines

>>78589018
>PETA
What's that?

>>78586514
There's a problem with mowas2 at the moment. There's a steam interface layer that's causing connection issues in all multiplayer games. So in matchmaking it picks the players then connects them to a (random) host, if the host doesn't have a set up connection it fails to connect, at least that's the way i understand it.

In custom games it affects the connection making it very laggy even with a predefined host. The way to stop it is to connect through direct IP, in short get friends and don't try matchmaking untill it' fixed, I haven't had a single matchmaking game work in 100+ hours of game time.

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>>78589954
People for the ethical treatment of animals.
I was trying to be funny.

>>78587680
Truly, turtle-babby tears are delicious. Especially in CoH1. There were so many ways of dealing with sim city, especially as Axis

>Panzer elite
>Drive halftracks full of panzergrenaders with shreks up beside an emplacement
>Or be really fancy and just run headlong at them with AT grenades and sprint, and instagib their emplacements(Why AT grenades did massive damage to structures as opposed to incendiary grenades is beyond me).

>Wehrmacht
>Build a mortar
>Spam pioneers
>Upgrade them with flamethrowers
>Drop smoke on top of their sim city then casually walk up a blob of pios and burn it all down because the morons spent all their pop cap and resources buildings bunkers and shit instead of actual units.

Ah, those were the days. Then they all gave up and stopped playing automatch so they could become scheldt babbies, or moved to Supreme-baby: Forged Alliance.

>>78594861
Welcome back captain obnoxious opinions. Please continue to throw them out there for nobody to care.

>>78594861
Reminder: The Scheldt takes more skill than most maps due to the increased choke points and difficulty in overcoming them when on the offensive.

The only ones who call it noob maps are those who have been anally devastated by their opponents as they were unable to seize an advantage early game and rage quit as soon as they lost the opening engagement.

Reminder these people are shit at all RTS games and are the cancer of the community.

))))))))))))))))))))))))))

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What is your favorite unit of any RTS ever?

>>78596579
>Furry shit

I'm not telling you faggot.

>>78596868
i thought you were being facetious until i saw that it wasn't actually just a fat dog

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>>78596868
Ok

>>78567343
you would have more luck with RTT's like Men of war or blitzkrieg.

>>78563167
.Not building trebuchets

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>>78596868
Rude.

>>78596579
>>78598010
>>78600019
>3. Do not post the following outside of /b/: Trolls, flames, racism, off-topic replies, uncalled for catchphrases, macro image replies, indecipherable text (example: "lol u tk him 2da bar|?"), anthropomorphic ("furry"), grotesque ("guro"), post number GETs ("dubs"), or loli/shota pornography. Keep /pol/ in /pol/. In essence: Don't shitpost.

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>>78600269
>Anti-fun rulefag

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>>78596579
Those are some nice conscripts you got there.

Shame if something happened to them.

>>78596579
That pic is cute and makes me want to dress up as a doggy and have little girls caressing me, I'm no furry I swear, just a pedo.

>>78596579
Musketeers from AoE3.

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If anyone here is up to play some Supcom FAF, send me a pm in the lobby. I'll be in there for most of the day.

ign is TeX

>>78602191
>animefag finally mends his ways
>a furfag appears

Why is this general so good at attracting shitposters?

>>78602536
I'm on the verge of abandoning the thread to be honest.

>>78602536
Because sometimes you requre a certain degree of autism to play RTS games not GS tier autism but enough autism to attract furries and weebs

>>78602536
>Getting this worked up over a reaction image

Jesus go take your autism pills anon.

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>>78596579
The one true Yuri, converting enemy units and buldings is awesome.

>>78603174
Remind me to post gore reaction pics next thread.

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>People literally get this upset about images on an anonymous board in the internet

>>78591457
Also known as brain dead morons.

>>78604036
>People don't want your degenerate furry shit spammed everywhere
>Its also against the rules

There's a reason for rules and there's a reason ponyfuckers have their own board. Please contain your autism and abide by them.

>>78603819
Where you raped by a furry? why are you getting so worked up over a reaction image?

>>78604294
Speaking of which, why don't the furries have a board of their own?

>>78604294
>R-RULES!

R-REDDIT!

>>78604409
there was a furry honeypot once created by moot for the express purpose of banning everyone who ever posted in it after a while

its dissolution is likely the cause of the group's present situation within the 4chan social fabric

>>78604409
Because furries have been dying out for a long time and most of them post on their own sites or /b/. Ponyfuckers are the new furries along with cancerkolle, strike dykes and girls und cancer.

>>78604641
>Doesn't like furries
>Doesn't like anime
>Doesn't like western animation
>Doesn't like lesbians

I bet you're real popular at school, huh? :o)

Behave, fuckers. Talk Strategy.

>>78604821
>File deleted

my sides.

>>78604965
How do we exterminate all the furries, anime tards and generally all degenerates?

Do we go through a long campaign of sterilisation to ensure that they cannot breed or do we straight up build concentration camps and exterminate them in one generation?

>>78605518
By going back to reddit where you came from.

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>>78605518

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>>78605518
oh man there are those words again

>>78605593
Reddit holds the key to exterminating your kind? Do tell. Do i rally the faggots and tell them that you are responsible for their oppression?

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>>78605518
can't wait until he finds out OP and creator of the steam group is weeboo

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>>78605836
If I keep posting anime pictures, would you die?

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>>78605902
>ceator of the steam group

>>78604036
I've seen that porno.

>>78606132
ohh i don't know
someone who took his time responding to it

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>>78605836
>>78606132
>Hates anime
>Thinks he can remove anime from 4chan
>An anime image board

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>>78606132
>/rtsg/

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>>78605902

You lookin' at my steam group?

>>78606068
It would be extremely painful.

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>>78606680
for him

>>78606756
>Will make anime real

But then it will be 3DPD.

>>78602847
Thanks for making the decision for me. If anyone decides to go through with the retro RTS on /vr/ I'll likely post there.

Until then enjoy your shithole.

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Shitposting, shitposting everywhere.

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>>78606947
still mad i see
here, more anime for you

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Help, I'm stuck

>>78607135
>/ak/ degenerate

Thank god for operatorchan.

>>78607240
>new and improved

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>>78606898
They like anime over there too newfriend.

>>78607135
I'm not sure who you are referring to, but funposting is still funposting.

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>>78606680

>>78607383
>better moderation
>there will be no furfags

Trust me friend you won't be able to avatarfag or post furry shit without it being removed.

Thats a 1000% improvement over this shithole.

>>78607135
>implying IS-3 saw frontline combat during ww2

>>78607527
Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

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>>78607527
Then why are you still here if you hate it so much?

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>>78607292
>tfw /k/ will never finish that VNs they were working on

>>78607867
Good

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>>78607907

>>78607690
Oh you know giving it a chance to go back to what it was before you autists showed up. The first week of the thread being alive.

Its obviously not going to change with retards wall to wall who are more interested in shitposting this place to death than talking about RTS. Hope really kept me here.

>>78608151
>who are more interested in shitposting this place to death than talking about RTS

You're not very self aware are you?

>>78608340
I've made 4 posts in the last hour friend and this shall be the last one. Protip: they were either replying to myself or to you.

Enjoy your shithole and I'll see you tomorrow :^)

>>78603216
"There is only one true Yuri." - they both say as one rolls out of barracks and another from cloning facility.

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>>78608151
shitposting general?
shitposting general!

>>78613253
no

Hey guys,

I usually play TBS games and 4X games because I can spend as long as I want calculating and thinking of possible outcomes and backup strategies, but I want to get into RTS games too. I find Age of Empires II stressful, even just playing the William Wallace campaign kind of stressed me out because I had to simultaneously harvest, build, keep units busy, explore and fight and I wasn't doing a very good job of it. When I play TBS games I don't feel like I'm running against the clock and I can usually make the most efficient decision, but this isn't the case with RTS games. Is there any hope for me in the RTS genre or should I give up now?

>>78617370
it's a matter of practice. you can put aoe2 on slow gamespeed to make it a bit more manageable for you in the beginning.

if you keep going, you'll eventually get better

>>78617370
Try to not worry that much about not doing the most efficient action at all times, you can also try slow paced games, I'd recomend looking into Close combat, it is a RTT actually but the slow pace lets you think about your actions carefully.

>>78617370
A long time ago I had this problem as well. Besides the feeling of pressure I also was suffering from fear of losing units.
RTS is inherently different not in its core principles but rather in mentality: you try to do your best, only give up if it's absolutely hopeless and immediately start a new game to do better this time.
Start at the easiest difficulty available if it alleviates some of the pressure. Forgive yourself the inevitable losses. Whether they are in production, resource gathering or combat - they are irrelevant as long as you've became better (and not necessary have won, even). Don't let lost games discourage you, no matter how hard it might be. Everyone started clueless, slow etc. Everyone was about the same kind of bad RTS player when they started. What made them good players is they did not let defeats discourage them from trying harder.
After you've became good enough that you don't feel threatened by your opponent either raise the AI difficulty or add another AI player, whichever results in smaller difficulty increase.
You'll get there.

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>>78548748
Yes.

>>78620049
Based Terran.

>>78620049
Oh god I hope the NC are Orks.

>>78595201
>>78595440
Weak bait, bro.

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>>78621165
>>78621329
I actually made NC as Space Marines, because hard hitting high caliber weapons and shit. Eldar are Vanu. Plus pic related my friend's base.

>>78611297
Maybe the one true Yuri can pilot two bodies.

>>78617370
Play AI war. It has the smoothest and the most adjustable pace and difficulty I've ever seen in any game. Plus it's strategy-focused, requiring planning ahead and good decision making rather than micro (micro helps, but it's entirely optional on lower difficulties and slower cobat pacings).

Why is a game from 2007 still shitting on every RTS to date? Why is this game so based?
Talking about Supcom FaF

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>mfw playing RoN: Extended Edition

Multiplayer is pretty slick.

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>>78617370

Start with games that don't have complex base-building mechanics, resource-gathering mechanics and limit the number of units you need to manage.

I recommend World in Conflict, no base-building, no resources and you're managing maybe 12 units at most

>>78627721
So based. If you're up to play on FAF sometime leave your ign, I'll pm you

>>78627756
Play with the modern warfare mod PTSD guranteed

>>78629620
>Mod that managed to make an already brutal game even more heavily attrition-based.

Good god realistic warfare between modern super powers is frightening. You'd have entire units wiped out daily.

>>78627721
Supcom FaF is objectively shit.
If you want a real game, play FA, without all these fanshits.

>>78627756
>Recommending dead, bland game

I would recommend one of the early RTS games instead friend.

What is the objectively best Warhammer game? Dawn of War 1 or 2?

>>78634575
Mark of Chaos.

Oh, sorry, you actually meant warhammer 40k.

>>78634916
>Not Call of the Warhammer mod

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How many battletonks have you sunk with AA weaponry, /rtsg/?

>>78634916
But Mark of Chaos is mediocre at best.
Dark Omen or Shadow of the Horned Rat are vastly superior.
As for 40k... I'd say Chaos Gate or DoW one.

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>>78635393

>>78635138
>blood for Mother Russia
>skulls for the throne of Putin

>>78635724
>a 3D games with lots of races is mediocre
>while a shitty looking 2D game with only one playable race is "vastly superior"
Take off your nostalgia googles, grandpa. Mark of Chaos was awesome.

>>78636343
I did and it's still meh. Mechanics are where it falls flat, not grafix or variety.

>>78636653
>Mechanics are where it falls flat
What do you mean by that?

>>78627751
>that title bar
What is this, Windows 98?

>>78617370
Play some old school Command and Conquer games, particularly Tiberian Sun and Red Alert 2. Red Alert 2 is the most accessible of the bunch, to boot. Their economy is extremely simple and mostly hands-off and they aren't terribly micro-heavy.

>>78617370
I'd say try Battle For Middle Earth 2.
The economy is quite simply, and if you're really, really bad (or just want to make beautiful fortresses), you can give the AI a handicap of -95% (which reduces their damage and units HP).
Sure, you won't progress with it, but it'll let you build and discover the game very slowly.

Not that the AI in that game is dangerous anyway.

>>78636826
I mean the way the game is constructed and how units and abilities interact with each other, as well as balancing and randomization. Level design doesn't fall under mechanics, but that's another thing that isn't that great.

Some examples: the entire hero mechanic, especially challenges. Interesting in concept, but the game's core mechanics meant that maxing out passive bonuses ('command' path) or maxing out the aoe path were the only two choices. The duel path was a waste of points due to how the duels worked (extreme randomness of abilities, having a 50-60% chance to land with a max bonus, being a big factor, plus gear and consumables having more influence than the actual hero build).

The power differetial between various units, making WHFBs main use of large groups of melee chumps (that is tying elite troops down untl they can be dealt with) obsolete, and in general making weaker, more numerous melee units mostly useless.

Low usable unit variety per faction.

Battle mechanics favouring repeated cavalry charges with knights and static defense with ranged units and machines over every other approach.

No formation and march mechanics at all.

It goes on. It's not a bad game, but it doesn't quite make it to 'good', due to how limited the available tactics and playstyles were.

>>78640695
I kinda agree with the rest (especially duels that I mostly used to temporarily remove a hero while I slaughtered his troops before fleeing and slaughtering him as he stood alone. However...
>No formation and march mechanics at all.
Now this is bollocks, as there are two formations ; line (for combats) and column (for walking).
Not much, but it's more than "not at all".

And damn, it was beautiful.
Now I must look for a warhammer mod for Medieval 2.

Shadow of the Horned Rat, I vaguely remember moving units around a village, throwing them in melee against other units, and praying I picked the right choice in the campaign to get more units/reinforcement as early as possible.
I fucking hated that game, because if you picked missions in the "wrong" order, you ended up having to make a mission with just the basic cavalry and swordsman instad of having crossbowmen.

>>78641403
Call of Warhammer, friend.

>>78641403
Thing is the formations are mostly meaningless. Hell, charging in line formation paid off pretty well most of the time, not to mention that you could go through the entire campaign (and many mp battles) not even using the feature.

Marching mechanics or equivalent (meaning how units react to enemy presence in regard to movement) on the other hand are completely nonexistent.

>>78642034
Let me guess, I need to install a launcher and some custom scripts before installing it?
God, modding old games is a pain in the ass. Don't get me started on the elder scrolls games.

>>78642386
IIRC with most MTW mods it's enough to temporarily rename the mod folder to one of the kingdoms campaign names (americas for example) and then start it from the default launcher.

CoW is a russian abomination though, so not sure how that works.

>>78642386
Check the /twg/ pastebin for instructions
http://pastebin.com/cnq9Phfa

M2 is pretty easy as far as mods go, even easier before the steam update.

Since the RTS genre is fairly dead, can we think of ways to revive it with a new consumer base?

Let's consider a scenario that we develop a new MOBA with a massive audience that plays the game on a daily basis with a huge esports scene behind it complete with twitchfags and their audiences.

Let's say we release a new "game mode" which turns it into a real RTS. Separating the MOBA as being labeled as the casual mode with RTS as "Hardcore" or "Competitive". Since competitive gamers have an issue with being labeled as inferior due to their egos. I would suspect they would either complain and play the new mode instead with their audiences through twitch still watching them. I would suspect pub players would do the same. While those honest about their feelings of playing the inferior game mode would play the MOBA part.

Does anybody else have ideas?

>>78647169
Dota 2 will have its modding tools released and you can do pretty much everything with it.

>>78647721
I'm talking a real financial aspect. So, that professional developers could make the games they want.

>>78647169
Remake Warcraft three, but just update the graphics and new battle.net? Though that might be nostalgia goggles.

>>78647871
In a sense Blizzard COULD revive the RTS genre if they weren't lazy pricks. Starcraft II is the largest selling RTS ever made. That proves there is an audience. But it seems that despite the overall success of even their largely delayed games. Nobody is trying.

>>78647169
Promote RTS as the new trendy "nerd" thing while it's still fashionable to be a "nerd".

Do that by writing an entire episode around it on big bang theory and bribing the most popular letsplayers to start playing them. Make some really basic ones for consoles, basically a small step up from mobas.

>>78647169

The way to revive the RTS genre is to actually release a good RTS. 90% of the RTS's released in recent years are utter garbage.

>>78655423
What is your ideal RTS?

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Has anyone ever gotten this error in Assault Squad 2? I'm trying to play the Modern Day mod, and this happens whenever I open the game

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Chaos Space Marines, eternally eager for war

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>>78500709
This one's better

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Poor lil black Psyker

>>78613253
thank mr skeltal

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>>78617370
play dawn of war m8 it's a really simply and quite fun rts
only two resources, one you build and another you gain by taking map control and no units requited to harvest them

>>78613253
thank mr skeltal

>>78657690
No this is /RelicGeneral/
Fuck off

>>78647169
Why does RTS need to be "mainstream"? I'm quite happy with the genre being niche and avoiding the casualization that is happening to popular genres across the board. Not to mention the SJW problem...

>>78647169
It was never big to begin with.

One of the big misunderstandings about the RTS genre is generally born out of nostalgia. That misunderstanding is that RTS had an actual 'golden age' to begin with, as if it were some super popular thing. It wasn't. It's been about the same way for the last 15-ish years. A niche genre with gameplay that isn't really 'accessible' to your average gamer, and with a effort vs reward mechanic that's heavily biased towards the effort portion of the scale.

While some personalities enjoy a challenge and feel much more reward from playing something that was truly difficult, you just have to accept that your average gamer just wants to come home from work and relax with something simple for an hour or two. This is literally why games like CoD are as popular as they are(Well, that, and enormous marketing budgets and staff that know how to put that to good use better than anyone else in the entertainment industry).

(1/2)

>>78665965
(2/2)

you have to comprehend that the inherit controls and gameplay of RTS simply aren't intuitive. It's abstract as fuck. Your average person can pick up a controller or mouse and keyboard and -know- how to intrinsically move and shoot in an FPS. It's a natural, relateable experience because, you know, you move about in real life and it's easy to draw parallels in a game when you're given simplistic controls to translate that over.

They aren't covered in a mass of hotkeys and build orders and metas and tactics and strategies. It's just walking until you see someone, lining them up with the center of the screen, and clicking the mouse button. It's simple, straight-forward, and instant gratification.

RTS games simply require too much learning and investment, because unless you were actually commanding people about IRL, things like tactics and strategy are a nuance that you have to LEARN before you can even come close to getting to the 'reward' part of the game.

>>78666234
I'd also like to reiterate just how insanely important marketing really is. A lot of these RTS games don't even get a chance with even the typical RTS community because no one knows they exist.

Take for example the 'Call to Arms' Men of War sequel that was being worked on, that had a fund raising campaign that completely and utterly flopped because they decided to be wise asses and do it on their own site instead of kikestarter, and made ZERO effort to even let people know it existed beyond two early-alpha game concept videos.

There are mountains of examples of this, and this is a big reason RTS can't get off the ground in any real capacity. They have to compete with ad campaigns like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DL0W9AUCuY

When was the last time you saw an RTS even HAVE a commercial? When was the last time you saw an RTS even advertise in any manner at all? I can't even remember the last time I saw one in a magazine. Maybe if they're lucky, a brief spot at PAX

Hey there, does anyone know if there's an archived version of the Cold War mod for MoW 2: AS?

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>>78657690
Yes you need to delete or replace a certain file, I had the EXACT same error as you did but there is a fix on the internet or steam forums.

May I suggest trying the UFO enemy unknown mod, it is essentially some slav ripping content from many games such as Arma, borderlands, final fantasy, STALKER, Metro 2033, other MoW mods and games, Battlefiled, Warhammer 40k, Halo, Gundam, Starwars, Wargame and a whole lot of other stuff and porting it into Men of War Assault Squad 2.

http://www.moddb.com/mods/ufoaftermath

Make sure you get the latest fix otherwise you cannot use some tanks, though the T90 is still bugged.

>>78570253

Complete and utter shit. The new campaigns in the extended edition are so bland and uninspired that anything produced by the community in the past 14 years easily beats the half-assed expansion.

>>78570253
I like it and play it every now and then

>>78658263
It'd be better if it didn't have that fucking BY F. TREBUXET right in the middle of the right side. Is the signature in the corner not enough, you have to plaster your name across it too?

>>78596579
Either Ilshavoh because of how rape it is. Or the mantis because of how cheap and versatile it is.

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>>78687102
you are a cool guy anon

Well AoE3 is on sale and I've always kind of wanted to play it having played AoE 2 (very poorly) a long time ago now. Is the multiplayer going to be dead?

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>>78684240
I don't see the problem.

>>78658263
Fucking watermarks. Cunt artists, you aren't Leonardo Da Vinci so stop it.

>>78661521
HD remake when?

>>78666234
> It's abstract as fuck
Although the click and drag boxing has always seemed like one of the most natural uses of a mouse to me.

>>78666234
>you have to comprehend that the inherit controls and gameplay of RTS simply aren't intuitive. It's abstract as fuck. Your average person can pick up a controller or mouse and keyboard and -know- how to intrinsically move and shoot in an FPS. It's a natural, relateable experience because, you know, you move about in real life and it's easy to draw parallels in a game when you're given simplistic controls to translate that over.
I don't agree with that.

Several weeks ago, I picked up a controller in a store to try The Last of Us, and I couldn't get a grasp of the controls. Which led to me being bitten by clickers.
Compared to that, recently, I played Haegemonia and Total Annihilation Kingdoms, directly in a skirmish.
Well, despite not knowing the controls, I figured out pretty quickly what were the ressources, how to build, and all that stuff. Despite not reading the manual, despite not doing the tutorials.

>>78688994
It's also one of the things everybody that has ever used a pc before knows.

>>78689062
I'd be willing to guess you're not new to RTS games either.

>>78688994
1A'ing a blob of units only works in games like Supreme commander where the combat is overly simplistic and lacking any real nuance.

There's a lot more that goes into your average RTS than just dragging a box over a group of units and right clicking. It's objectively more demanding than, say, an FPS with simple controls and even simpler tasks to accomplish.

An RTS requires learning hotkeys, metas, micro, macro, and attaining a level of APM in which you can do all of these actions in a reasonable frame of time instead of dragging ass and getting blown out by a better player. There's so much more to be thinking about and doing, it's a massive barrier for most people who don't have the immense amount of free time to git gud at this crap like most NEETs here do.

>>78690772
>I'd be willing to guess you're not new to RTS games either.
You're talking to a guy who never finished any campaign in any RTS. Except Rise of Legends.
And I'm not mentionning the fact that I never played against an AI over normal. I'm a black hole of skills, just by being near you, everyone starts to suck.

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mfw I just found out AoEII had a playstation 2 port

>>78691356
Ever tried moving the mouse with a dualshock?

It sucks.

>>78694752

I still have C&C Red Alert Retaliation for the PS1 lying around somewhere in my attic, I remember that game was pretty based.

Where there's a will there's a way.

>>78690958
So you managed to beat the Easy AI of a game you'd never played before in a genre you have played and you therefore think that the genre is intuitive enough already?

Well I'm convinced. Let's pack it up, we're done here.

>>78699885
The point.
.
.
.
Your head.

Just reinstalled AOM Gold. Any recommended mods?

>>78691356
slowpoke.jpg

there's also civilisation2 on the playstation, warzone 2100, red alert, z, then starcraft and c&c on the n64

How is Planetary Annihilation?
What sort of resource system does it use, is it like supreme commander?

>>78711409
It's objectively and literally shit.
Don't get it while it's still early access.

>>78590130

I have 102 hours played, 90% of it is in matchmaking, the past two days it's been broken.

>>78711409
>is it like supreme commander

Yes.

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Why is it that every time I punch through, the friendly AI just shuts down completely?
It's like the game doesn't want me to win.

>>78724739
AI wasn't designed with teamwork in mind, more news at 11.

>>78725048
It can't just be bad timing, though, because I've tried this so many times now. Every time I successfully punch a hole in the enemy defenses, the AI on my team takes a break, I get ganged up on, and then we're back to square one.

>>78725641
maybe they made the ai so it wont take the glory and let you finish off the enemy. which is retarded. even moreso in team games

ded gaem ded thred

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>>78706040

>>78713016
Why's it shit?

>>78744589
Because.

>>78627253
I just started up AI war with a few of my friends and it definitely is the smooth kind of autism you can find in GSGs, while still being an RTS

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So, what's your verdict in TLOR: Battle for Middle Earth (both 1 and 2)? (pic not taken by me btw)

I'm a fan of the movie saga and books, and I liked the game a lot, even if it was made by EA. The best parts of the game in my opinion are the campaign of the first game, as well as the BGM (there's something special hearing Gandalf narrating the campaign).

The second game was... just ok. The campaign wasn't so catchy, and personally didn't liked the fact that Rohan and Gondor were combined into a single faction, but the adition of standard base building, as well the posibility to put walls around the base made it into a good game (in my opinion at least).

The only thing I didn't liked for both games was the zoom, it was always too low. I know it was made that way to keep the game toaster friendly but...

>>78753441

They're good games

>>78753441
EA actually put out some pretty good LOTR games

>>78753441
they were cool but war of the ring is my favorite lotr rts (same engine as battle realms)

Modern Warfare mod for WiC just released a new version if anyone is interested.

>>78753441
>pic not taken by me btw
suuure, mister ign employee.

game is okay though i always hated how the units constantly feel like they're moving through pudding

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/rtsg/ pls help
in age of empires, when garrisoning a building does the building get a normal attack or the unit's? for example when playing as britons would it be better to garrison a castle with longbows over crossbows?
also do units with no ranged attack like villagers give the building one?

>>78758141
should give extra building attack, not the unit's own attack. for example a stuffed cannon tower (maybe only teutons though) will at max capacity shoot two cannon balls at once.

i think villagers give castles and towers extra attack but not sure. infantry and cavalry shouldnt. one race (maybe teutons) i believe has a tech or bonus that allows infantry to add extra attack to castles and towers.

by extra attack i mean additional arrows of course

>>78758141
I'm pretty sure regardless of whatever unit, the building will gain an additional attack bonus, just like it's regular attack.

You want to put your melee units in, since your ranged can still fire missiles and hose down any assholes who come close.

>>78760689
>>78760792
>teutons
>Unique Technologies: Crenellations (Increased range for Castles; garrisoned infantry fire arrows)

not sure if i'm reading this correctly and it's been a while since i played a lot of aoe2 but that either means that usually melee infantry don't shoot arrows from buildings or that castles dont get extra arrows from garrison i think.

also the cannon tower thing apparently only applies with full hand cannoneer garrison

>>78761274
Attacking a Town Centre, you should usually see the AI bring in it's villagers. This gives the building extra attack (The arrows do more damage). This should apply to any and all buildings, regardless of what unit you put in. I haven't played for a while, this is speculation.

>>78761604
but does it really add attack or arrows? because for towers i'm certain it adds arrows.

with TCs and castles i'm not sure because they already fire a good amount of arrows on their own (tc if garrisoned only of course)

usually i never forget anything about rts games but this is all fuzzy

>>78761818
So experiment?

>>78763167
ehh it's late and i don't want to wake your mom

gonna try it tomorrow. though its probably on the wiki

>>78761274
Only archers and Villagers fire arrows when garrisoned, afaik.

>>78750661
Pls elaborate anons. Why's PA a shit?

>>78764740
that's what i thought. also teutonic infantry with that tech which is pretty cool. and their double garrison for towers and extended range. it's like turtle heaven

>>78765202
Until the Imp. age.

>>78765314
that's why you gotta state rules in the lobby so nobody rushes or builds trebuchets and cannons

:^)

>>78635393
>Armor cracks open before the shell connects
Hue

>>78764483
>Waking anyone with headpgit gudones.

>>78554431
We need more BUILDPOWER

>>78554431
i would let gyle whisper sweet nothings in my ear while he spoons me. and have him tell me how cybrans are shit and uef are based

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>>78771959
but cybran is best faction

>>78768667
wat