/fog/ - Fallout General

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first for hideous characters

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Second for CUTE MOLERATS!

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>>187374554
Waifus are always hideous. That's why you show off other assets.

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>>187374797
waifus are olev

>>187374554
tfw embrace the hideous

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>Can't put shit on the first shelf or under, just snaps to the top
CEASE.
THIS.

You've heard of the Bethesda Creation Club.
We all have, the quality, the Bethesbux™.
Foolishness about it being payed mods 2.0. A golden cage, buried beneath blood-red customer outrage...
A bright, shining monument luring honest modders to their doom.
The world's most obnoxious modders and shitposters were invited to Bethesda's offices.
An invitation was a sign of... exclusiveness
The creation club was supposed to symbolise a road to better "DLC" , not just for PC players...
But for all who could pay.
A chance for anyone to pay again.

>>187374780
Always hated how mindlessly aggressive they are in the wild, especially in NV where just because you happened to walk within a mile of their stupid hole in the ground, they mindlessly charge you until you're forced to drop them all, including little pups. Only thing feeling worse is killing coyote pups. That, and I didn't like in FO3 how you couldn't release the named caged mole rats in the Jury Street Metro Station where that one guy was inventing Wonder Meat.

>>187374554
That's a good captcha joke image. Not SKEEYUP level but good and relevant to /fog/.

How come 4's feral ghouls look like bags of shit with droopy ass skin and a somewhat swollen look, but the non-ferals are all skinless and have a sort of muscular appearance to them.

Do ghouls now re-grow their skin as they go feral or is this a retcon telling us ghouls no longer "go feral"?

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>>187373469
>>187374415
https://ufile.io/npcqj

Here's the whole Armory mod. That 2.9 shit is some primo, rare stuff I was lucky to grab before the site went down. It's for New Vegas and has a fucking retarded amount of shit. I'm planning to hand this off to VeteranAlpha on modpiracy ASAP.

Only problem is that it's got like 10 plugins.

>>187377410
>Do ghouls now re-grow their skin
They always regenerated around radiation.

The Marked Men from Lonesome Road for example were driven mad by the fact their upper most layers of skin were constantly being sandblasted by the winds of the Divide just for them to keep regenerating due to the radiation. A constant cycle of pain driving you mad.

Why non-ferals and ferals look different in game though is to make them easily discernible. Its nothing to do with lore, its just gameplay.

>>187377410
Ghouls in FO4 are shit and way too pretty to be treated like lepers. Get a bad nosejob and spend a week too long in a tanning salon and you'll look like the average FO4 ghoul; only thing they got somewhat creepy was the wierd eyes.

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I finished cutting out the pistol belt and pouches and shit from MGS3's uniforms, but when I equip them in-game, it crashes. The thing shows up fine in blender, nifskope, and the geck, but in-game it just shits the bed.

Any tips?

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>>187378235
I don't know much with FO4 or blender (just fiddling with Nifskope with NV nifs), but you could try loading up a vanilla or known-to-function-properly mod NIF that is close to what yours does, and then compare the two if some data or file layout is markedly different. Offhand I'd say usually either a nif isn't being saved or created in the proper format for the game, or maybe something in that NIF is missing a node or material or something the game expects it to have but doesn't. Take what I saw with a grain of salt though as this is the in-game results of my last big fiddling with nifskope.

>>187377410
Its the same reason ferals and non ferals looked different in Fallout 3 and NV.

It is done so that the player can more easily identify which one is which, and so they wont accidentally shoot ad non-feral.

Its just a gameplay thing.

And we are told part of the reason that the ghouls got kicked out of Diamond city is because one of them went feral one day and attacked some people, so ghouls still do go feral.

>>187380090
perfect

>>187378235
>>187380090
what if i told you, blender was fucking your nif's up

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>>187380438
FO3/NV ghouls don't have drastically different textures between feral and non-feral, though, like what that anon is implying with FO4. The main difference was that feral ghouls had their own skeleton while non-feral ghouls wore equipment and used the standard human skeleton.

>>187381007
While it hasn't broken mine as I don't have it, I do believe that.
>>187380839
???

>>187381984
>FO3/NV ghouls don't have drastically different textures between feral and non-feral, though
Yes they did.... are you retarded?

Feral ghouls had perfectly intact skin that was just stretched over their bones really taunt.

Non-ferals looked like burn victim with their skin flaking off.

They looked nothing alike in Fo3 and NV

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>kid from the last of us
AHAHHAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

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sale on steam right now lads

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>>187375451
Yes.

>>187382268
TA BORT

>>187382268
>buying fallout 4
SWEDEN YES!

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>People think these fucks look like regular ghouls with no difference in texture

>>187382268

DIN KUNDVAGN

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>>187382268
>ta bort
More like Abort, amirite lads?

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>>187382587
>>187382052
Alright yeah the default non-feral ghoul has patchier skin than the feral but it isn't that drastic of a difference (forgot how downright shitty the default ghoul textures were though). So yeah the main visual difference with ferals in NV/FO3 was the skeleton (because ferals are creatures, not NPCs).

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So where would you want to live on the East Coast post-war?

>>187382842
It bothers me that Bethesda put stab resistant vests in FO4 instead of Bulletproof vests.

Also, no police uniforms despite all the stations and precinct.

>>187383067
CommonWealth because a few mugs, a hot plate and some steel gets me turrets for defense and I can work towards a generator, set up a purifier and make a cozy little settlement.

>>187383067
Commonwealth is by far the safest and most comfortable place in any Fallout game ever.

>>187383067
Commonwealth so I can cheer on Cait in her boxing matches and be her biggest fan and have her autograph

>>187383434
>boxing matches

>>187376947
>what is animal friend?

>>187383434
Just shut the fuck up for once you absolute faggot

>>187383067
I feel like Bethesda's next Fallout game will likely take place in Ronto so they can cover the last corner of the "east coast triangle"

>>187384767
It's either going to be Ronto or the Broken Banks.

No way they would set those places up as being equal in terms of size/importance to the Capital Wasteland and Commonwealth unless they had plans to use them.

>>187384767
What the FUCK is ronto?
What is broken banks?

When were these places established in the game world? How have I never heard of them?

>>187385979
>When were these places established in the game world?
Fallout 3 and its DLC

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Ishmael_Ashur
>Citizens of The Pitt, workers of Downtown, traders of Uptown, and all fierce souls who do what must be done! I bring you good news! We stand at the dawn of a new golden age. Where others merely survive, we thrive! Our industry is the envy of the Commonwealth! Our safety is the envy of the Capital Wastes! Our might is the envy of Ronto! And while I have led your efforts, it has been by your own strength that you have earned all of the envy of the world. They envy the steel shaped by the workers in our mills, and they envy the strength of our traders and raiders who wield that steel for The Pitt. And most of all, they envy our victories in the struggle for freedom. Because, yes, freedom is what we all work towards. Freedom from fear, freedom from disease, freedom to live as once we did before we were shackled by atomic fire! And so, to celebrate this struggle, I ask my loyal workers: who among you is prepared to fight for your freedom? Who among you will risk your life in the crucible to create a new life of freedom in Uptown? Who will take this rare chance to thrive?

>Our industry is the envy of the Commonwealth! Our safety is the envy of the Capital Wastes! Our might is the envy of Ronto!

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Quinn.txt
>Oh, here and there and everywhere. I've explored all up and down the coast, from the Commonwealth, to the Pitt, all the way down to Crater Banks.

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/DLC04Tobar.txt
>You should have seen her back in her heyday! Why, we traveled up and down the coast, from the Commonwealth to the Broken Banks.

The Commonwealth and the Broken/Crater Banks are the northern most, and southern most, major stops along the east coast trade lanes on both land and water travel.

Ronto is presumably the post-war version of Toronro in Canada

>>187386324
It's also interesting to note that Ashur compares The Pitt to Ronto and The commonwealth, and makes no mention of Philly or NYC, despite both of those cities being closer then The Commonwealth.

>>187386324
Oh shit, cheers lad. Very possible foreshadowing actually.

>>187387471
Bethesda loves foreshadowing.

They even foreshadowed the destruction of Morrowind back in Morrowind, as well as the spiritual revival that Morrowind would have as a result, which we only found out about in Dragonborn.

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X6-88 doing his "hands up don't shoot" routine after learning about b̶l̶a̶c̶k̶ synth revolution.

>>187387917
If Nora and Nate are both white, how can the Institute make black synths out of their son's DNA?

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This was a cute mission. Didn't care for the fetch nonsense but nice nonetheless.

>>187388227
They just cook them for longer

>>187388227
Nora got BLACKED
or X6-88 went to the plastic surgeon like Deacon does

>>187388227
ыppppppp
ыeщз фылштп ыщ ьфтн йгyыeшщты

>>187388227
What is genetic engineering?

>>187388356
If they can use genetic engineering then they wouldn't need Shaun's DNA in the first place

>>187388486
Uhh no.

They needed shaun's DNA in order to get a non-radiation corrupted DNA strand in the first place.

>>187388714
Couldn't they just engineer away the damage caused by radiation then?

>Bethesda working on GoT open world RPG

>>187388840
No... because they have no samples of pure DNA to really know what pure DNA looks like at this point.

>>187388931
So a shitty, inferior, and miles more boring, Skyrim?

>>187389034
>So a shitty, inferior, and miles more boring, Skyrim?

don't be so harsh
it could be a shitty, inferior and miles more boring mount and blade

>>187389194
I don't know if its possible to be more boring then Mount and Blade

>>187389342
>first kotor2 now Mountain Blade
/fog/ please stop....

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>never any reason to not go 10 int in FO games

how do i apply boob physics to the vanilla clothes?

>Vault-Tec: Among the Stars
>there are Vaults on other planets
Fallout Mars when?

>playing fallout 4 made me appreciate fallout 3's superior environment design
>go play 3
>playing 3 makes me appreciate New Vegas' superior writing and characters
>go play NV
>[you are here]
>every time I switch games I pick up on an old save and completely forget what I was doing and why I was carrying 12 assorted shotguns or something

Is this madness or hell

>>187390762
>playing fallout 4 made me appreciate fallout 3's superior environment design
What m8?

I like Fallout 3, but Fallout 3's environmental design is nowhere near Fallout 4's.

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>doubting Cait when it comes to punching people

>>187390851
Not him but I liked how the subways were actually used and Rivet city is cool I guess

>try Immersive gameplay survival on PS4
>get killed by radroaches in Vault 111 in one hit
No thanks

>>187374554

Finally Elizabeth has been accepted into the ranks and I don't have to post her myself anymore.

>>187390851
Subways could get bland but they made a pretty good effort to keep most of the unique in some way, every one I'd gone through had some neat visual gimmick.

They also didn't fill literally every building with a sameness dungeon, so poking into a building could lead to an atmospheric looting session of an old shopfront or something rather than ducking into a donut shop and going through 100km of steel corridor to reach the loot box at the end.

I kind of hated most of the wasteland parts because of the theme park feel and the mutants in DC are a bit exhausting, but the city really felt dead and torn apart in a way that I was really craving. This one "Pennsylvania avenue" place got me rock hard with the looming buildings and empty streets and gothic statues and just fucking UNF

>>187391553
>They also didn't fill literally every building with a sameness dungeon
Ironic given that was one of the singular biggest complaints Fallout 3 got.

>>187377410
There's literally a basement with a terminal entry talking about how a guys family turned into ghouls and went feral in Croup manor's basement you dumb nigger

>>187391553
>They also didn't fill literally every building with a sameness dungeon
That was literally one of its biggest complaints that Bethesda acknowledged and said they were looking into hiring more dungeon designers because it was all 1 guy.

How hard would it be to replace feral ghouls in New Vegas with "normal" ghouls that still retained all their animations and movement style?

I think it would be a nice mod after reading the earlier ghoul comments.

>>187391734
Actually it was all one guy back in Oblivion.

Fallout 3 had a few more IIRC

>>187391938
Sweet Christmas FO3 is worse than I remember.

>>187387796
That was less foreshadowing and more the guy who wrote the prophecy for Morrpwind clampring for it to be fulfilled

10 INT or 5 luck for idiot savant?

What do you prefer, /fog/?

>>187392206
10 everyhing

>>187382842
>>187390935
What is the point of these posts?

>>187392590
autism

>>187392206
Game?

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>Fallout Tactics
>peks
>-1 level between perks, +1 special
HOLY SHIT

>>187393281
Fallout 4

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>>187393552
Oh.
Who gives a shit a then, Bethesda doesnt include retardation in games they produce so you might as well have 1 INT.

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Hey /fog/, I'd like some roleplaying advice.

I'm doing a Wild Card/Yes Man run of New Vegas, and I'm trying to shape the best Mojave possible. My character, whilst not a goody-two-shoes, is noble at heart. I won't bother explaining further since I'm not here to masturbate over my OC.

However I've run into an ethical problem. I've realized that I, as a player, want to destroy the Brotherhood of Steel. They're a huge threat to Vegas and they're a pest on the Mojave, and worst of all they're unwilling to change. They're practically a jumped up Tribe like the Khans. The problem is that I can't seem to justify to myself a reason my character would blow up the Brotherhood bunker, especially since he has done all their questlines. You see, I worked for the Brotherhood with Veronica as part of her personal quest in order to see if the Brotherhood could or would change their ways, and now I've discovered they can't and I'm part of them (an honourary knight or whatever.). I just can't see how my character would just kill all these people he's come to work for, especially what seems to be innocent people (and probably kids) in such a way.

I suppose I could justify it as a utilitarian decision, but the problem is that I've shown mercy to worse factions. I spared the Vault 19 Powder Gangers and got them to join the Khans, with the Khans themselves deciding not to join the Legion and fleeing the Mojave. Though I suppose I did wipe out the NCRCF Gangers and the Fiends....but it's not like I befriended and joined them. Plus, killing Veronica's family seems a little dark. However it seems equally out of characrer and unethical to leave them alive, and I have a feeling its going to be a bittersweet kind of sucky ending slide for them.

Any advice on how I can gel this with my character?

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>>187394463
>BoS hi-tech buster swords
Well BoS is isolationist but all in all they do keep the status quo around. As far as theyre concerned theyre doing the same thing as Followers of Apocalypse but in dangerous tech wise.
Besides while they shake people for loot they dont raid or kill em like Raiders...and dont forget about Chicago chapter.

>>187394463
Your character will be the strongest force in New Vegas by the end so you could leave them alive out of respect but keep them on a short leash. If they ever overstep their bounds then they get put down.

It's not an immediate solution but you can just headcanon the shit out of it.

>>187394808
Yes, but surely they'll come for Vegas next? A shining city of pre-war technology staffed by an army of unique hyper advanced securitrons....

That and I imagine BoS harassment would heavily discourage trade along the I-15 and I-95...which I really don't want as an independent Vegas that's going to have to try and make it on it's own anyway.

>>187394891
But doesn't that defeat the point of Wild Card? Forgive me if I've got this wrong, but isn't the whole deal with this that every town rules itself and the Wasteland is totally wild, with the Courier just in charge of the Strip? It's not really an independent Mojave if I'm the government....

>>187394983
They will harass trade roads but for very specific tolls and keep them clear from real raiders in return,no?
Also Vegas has 1 Vault thats full of concrete and robots they ideologically dont use.

>>187395085
You don't need to be the government to defend your slice of the pie with your army of robuts.

>>187395316
But the point is that the Mojave isn't "my" slice of pie. Vegas belongs to the Courier (Whether that's just the Strip, or also Freeside etc), but nothing else. Isn't that what Wild Card is?

>>187395420
You talked about the BoS coming for Vegas, specifically for your robots. That's your slice of the pie.

>>187395316
How will mono-cycle meme robots handle broken terrain and hills.
What about attrition?

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>>187394463
Well, anon, the truth is that the Brotherhood are a morally grey spot in New Vegas and you'll have to deal with dissastifaction in some way or another. In this Wasteland, there is no perfect solution.

With what I can gather from your character and their narrative, the best thing to do is to leave them be. That's what Wild Card is kind of all about anyway, you're not gonna be able to clear off all the problems, but being free is worth it. Blood will be spilled, just as it was in the old world.

However, if you really want to kill them the best justification I would use would be that the whole time your character was working for them and trying to change their ways, it was in the knowledge that you were giving them a chance. You gave mercy to other tribes, and some took it like the Vault 19 boys and the Khans, others didn't like the NCRCF and the Fiends. You working for the Brotherhood and trying to change them WAS your mercy, and they chose not to take it. If you took Veronica to the Followers and they slaughtered them, that's a pretty good "tipping point" to solidify in your character's mind that they will never change and despite your indecision, must ultimately be stopped.

It'll probably be one of your characters darkest moments, but hey, you're a wild card right?

>>187395518
Stick protectron legs on them

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>>187376256
Place Everywhere mod

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In a "Canon" Courier playthrough of New Vegas, is it more fitting to change into the Courier Duster, or stick with the Armored Vault 21 Jumpsuit?

Asking for a friend.

>>187394463
BoS is trying to take away your advanced pre-war tech guns, thus they are socialists which makes it okay to shoot them on sight.

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>>187396618
>tfw the Brotherhood violate the NAP

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Silent Hill mod for NV got moderator review at some point. I made a mega reupload of it since I don't think it's worth losing forever. Pastebin has link for the mod and link for F3 + Point Lookout content it needs.
https://pastebin.com/EAwQELTc

>"my sister has been kidnapped, you have to save her!"
Bitch, I have a lawyer degree and literally spent just one day after the war.
At least the option of "turn 360 degrees and walk away" preserves some immersion.

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>If you kill your enemies, they win

Was this the message the developers wanted to send out with Honest Hearts?

I helped Joshua eradicate the White Legs and let him execute Salt-Upon-Wounds, but apparently that wasn't the right thing to do according to the ending slide.

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>>187394463

>They're a huge threat to Vegas and they're a pest on the Mojave, and worst of all they're unwilling to change. They're practically a jumped up Tribe like the Khans. The problem is that I can't seem to justify to myself a reason my character would blow up the Brotherhood bunker, especially since he has done all their questlines.

Here

>They're a huge threat to Vegas and they're a pest on the Mojave, and worst of all they're unwilling to change. They're practically a jumped up Tribe like the Khans.

I'm doing a similar run, Mr. House/Yes Man. But I can't bring myself to do it, not just yet. So I'm doing other quests at the moment while I think it through.

My reasoning to blow them up is: Veronica has already let them go by becoming a Follower of the Apocalypse (in a way). If I'm not mistaken, when you go to meet them they are all dead or something in that outpost of theirs.

That goes to show how maniacal some of them area.

>I spared the Vault 19 Powder Gangers and got them to join the Khans, with the Khans themselves deciding not to join the Legion and fleeing the Mojave

Exactly like me. I just thought of those Powder Gangers as people who the NCR treated like absolute shit, not offering them any viable solutions to their problems. The Khans are lead by Papa Khan, who after convincing to flee the Mojave seems like a good guy.

>Though I suppose I did wipe out the NCRCF Gangers and the Fiends....but it's not like I befriended and joined them.

Same here. The NCRCF convicts were just murdering assholes, whereas those led by Samuel Cooke wanted to extract revenge on the NCR itself.

>Any advice on how I can gel this with my character?

Blow them up. Their demise is inevitable.

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>>187384310
this

>>187397738
>turn 360 degrees

>>187398064
The point is that killing the white legs ruined the purity of the sorrows or whatever.
Honest Hearts was basically an all around shitty situation that had no good answer. Kind of sad.

>>187396379

Vault 21 Jumpsuit -> Leather Armor -> Armored Vault 21 Jumpsuit -> Courier Duster at Hoover Dam and Hoover Dam only.

>>187398064
It's more like,

>If you kill your enemies, you still lose

along the lines of the more familiar

>war has no winners, only losers

kind of rhetoric.

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>>187398246

That's what I really liked about New Vegas. It gives you a lot of situations where there's no good answer, but it doesn't force them either.

Compare it to Wasteland 2. One of the earliest quests sends you to save one of two towns being attacked. There is NO way to save both at once. What happens afterwards? The town you didn't save is destroyed, and gives you shit for it.

There's no thinking going behind it, just pick a location and run for it, and have people completely disregard the fact you couldn't do anything and one way or another one town was going down.

Unrelated: was on my way to upgrade the Ranger Station south of Lake Mead and saw a Legion squad approaching. I let the Lakelurks take care of them because I was running completely out of ammo (was on a self-imposed rule of 100 units of each type of ammo I was carrying so I was not so encumbered), and it turns out they were common Legionnaires after all.

>>187399290
New Vegas would have been better had a lot of its situations not had obvious contrivances that really made no sense.

>>187399387

Such as?

>>187396209
I wish more clean items and tile sets for building were in the vanilla game. Like, how do you make a clean bath tub, shower and sink but forget a clean toilet?

>>187399440
The fact that the Legion is secretly funding the Omertas' weapon plans for no real reason beyond them having a mean to actually have the cash to pull it off. Giving the Omertas more guns, and chlorine gas weapons, really does nothing to help The Legions position. It's just done because The Legion are evil for the sake of it.

Similarly, the Legion's connections to the Great Khans make no sense, as we find out in-game, the Khans are only working with the Legion because they somehow magically don't know that the Legion doesn't like women fight, it doesn't accept drugs, and that it breaks tribal identities, despite the fact this is common knowledge that everyone, including several of the other groups the Khans work with, all know of and mention, but the Khan's magically don't know of because reasons.

The Legion also wanting you to help Mortimer make the White Gloves cannibals again also makes no sense because Caesar constantly talks about how he hates backwards tribal participles, cannibalism being one of those. Much like the thing with the Omertas, its just done because the Legion are evil for the sake of it, with no real thought put into why.

Then there is bizarre shit like House, the NCR, and the Legion, all wanting the Boomers on thier side because the Boomers have lots of guns and ammo they want for their own side, but even after becoming friends with the Boomers, at no point do you or anyone else make a deal for the Boomers to start trading guns for any side, and the ending slides even stating they only start doing so after the war is won, and those guns are useless now anyways. The entire boomer situation is set up for a reason that never actually gets brought up again in the game. It's pure mcguffin.

The entire NCR/BoS war doesn't make any real sense either given that the BoS in Fallout 1 and 2 were actually introducing technology back into the wastes, and were helping places like the Hub and Shady Sands rebuild. (cont)

>>187400191
(cont)
With Fallout 3, and thei tnroduction of Arthur Maxson, as wel las the MAxson family tree, the entire "Jeremy Maxson hates the NCR and declares war on them" shit from Van Buren no longer exists, which means the BoS just went ass backwards from everything they were in Fallout 1/2 for no explainable reason beyond just to make another conflict in the game.

In general, most of the shit in New Vegas really make no sense given the lore.

>>187398064
Killing the White Legs and Salt Upon Wounds is the right thing to do strategically, and for the sake of Zion.

But it's not the right thing to do for Graham as a person. Defending Zion and killing the White Legs whilst sparing Salt Upon Wounds is a good balance because whilst strategically it's the same decision, on a personal level it kind of saves Graham. Graham needs to put the Burned Man behind him and return to the fold, and sparing Salt reminds him of the morality that he wants to return to and turns him away from the brutality of the Burned Man and of the Malpais Legate. Shows he can still be saved.

>>187400329
Maybe I did it wrong but I didn't notice the sorrows get a bad ending slide but I chose to escort the Sorrows and killed SUW at the end

>>187400329
>and for the sake of Zion
>Defending Zion and killing the White Legs whilst sparing Salt Upon Wounds is a good balance
oy vey
another greatwar

>>187400191
>Giving the Omertas more guns, and chlorine gas weapons, really does nothing to help The Legions position.

They want to absorb the Omertas tribe into the Legion. They're supplying the Omertas for the purpose of them securing the Strip and wiping out the NCR stationed there. It's not only a slightly easier way for the Legion to capture the Strip but it also lets the Omertas "prove themselves" for the Legion. This is pretty straightforward my dude.

>the Khans are only working with the Legion because they somehow magically don't know that the Legion doesn't like women fight, it doesn't accept drugs, and that it breaks tribal identities

Admittedly a bunch of the Khans not knowing this shit is a little sketchy but not that unbelievable since the Khans are effectively pariahs hiding out in Red Rock. However the main problem I have with your point here is that the main reason the Khans want to join the Legion is for glory and revenge against the NCR, they outright say this. Telling some of the more influential tribe members about the nastier parts of the Legion is only a smaller part of convincing them to stand up to Papa Khan and convince the Khans tribe as a whole it's a bad idea, you still have to do some major talking to convince them against the idea of NCR revenge and reclaiming Khan glory, that's kind of the lynchpin of the whole thing.

>The Legion also wanting you to help Mortimer make the White Gloves cannibals
It's been a while since I played Beyond the Beef, but I do not remember any Legion involvement in that at all. I remember it being an initiative of some of the inner society White Gloves members. I'm open to being corrected here if there was hidden Legion connection I missed.

cont.

>>187400946

>all wanting the Boomers on thier side because the Boomers have lots of guns and ammo they want for their own side,

Well, it's mainly for the artillery, but yes also guns and ammo. The thing about the Boomers is that they're considered a fairly wild card option anyway. Nobody has even managed to get in there so it's just a "Stick your tendrils out and see if you can make some connections" kind of thing. You're there to utilize their extreme firepower in some way....which you do.

>at no point do you or anyone else make a deal for the Boomers to start trading guns for any side,
and because they are belligerently isolationist the fact that you manage to cut the deal of "We'll help you when the battle comes" is good enough. You are sent out there to try and utilize their firepower in the war, and that's what you end up doing.

>The entire boomer situation is set up for a reason that never actually gets brought up again in the game.
Do you not remember the fuckhueg bomber that blasts open half the Fort in exchange for your assistance? That was the trade right there. You helped the Boomers, and in return they help you with their firepower at the Dam.

>The entire NCR/BoS war doesn't make any real sense either given that the BoS in Fallout 1 and 2 were actually introducing technology back into the wastes,

100 is a long time for politics to develop, you are right in that they should have elaborated for actual canonical reasons for the war.

>>187400304
>>187400191
There is also the problem that the game's entire central NCR vs Legion conflict doesn't really work out.

In just 30 years time, an elderly balding man, who read a few history books, was able to conquer, and strip the identities of, over 80 tribal groups, as well as purge all raiders and hostile factions from his lands, as well as conquer an area as large as the NCR is, and despite having no farms, no towns of his own, no mines, and no means of production beyond extorting the few non-tribal communities that existed in the land he took over, he was able to forge an army that uses mostly old football gear, yet could almost beat the NCR at the first Battle of Hoover Dam, and, as New Vegas suggests, would have beaten the NCR the second time around, despite the NCR existing over 3 times as long, having a small fleet of vertibirds, tons of pre-war riot armor, and new weapons made by factions like the Gun Runners and Van Graffs.

OFC, this isn't hlped by the fact that the NCR is so fucking hilariously incompetent in-game that they go to Loony Tunes level of antics where they can't even kill a few giant ants down the road from their ONE AND ONLY supply route into the region.

Even the fucking Minutemen in Fallout 4 have patrols that end up doing more shit without the player's help then the NCR can acomplish in New Vegas.

The entire NCR vs Legion war only works due an absolutely staggering number of contrivances that make the Legion into Machiavellian super geniuses that would make guys like Lex Luthor blush, while the NCR is so stupid they're barely able to breathe without fucking something up.

New Vegas is a game whose every major plot line just falls apart under any real scrutiny.

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>>187401376
Same goes for other 2 games too imo.

>>187400191
>>187400304

I actually wanted you to post examples of some moral choices having obvious contrivances, I'm sad you had to post all of that.

>The Legion also wanting you to help Mortimer make the White Gloves cannibals again also makes no sense because Caesar constantly talks about how he hates backwards tribal participles, cannibalism being one of those. Much like the thing with the Omertas, its just done because the Legion are evil for the sake of it, with no real thought put into why.

The White Glove Society is just another tribe to conquer. I doubt Marjorie would gladly say "yes, let us join Caesar". He needs you to have them revert to their cannibalistic ways before they could even consider the option of joining Caesar.

Even then, it is never explained if Caesar would really allow them to return to cannibalism, it may very well be a bluff.

>but even after becoming friends with the Boomers, at no point do you or anyone else make a deal for the Boomers to start trading guns for any side

You do have the Bomber, however. I'd say that is a pretty strong ally to have. So I would not call it "mcguffin" as I would call it "Obsidian missed a step: having the parties trade weapons".

>The entire NCR/BoS war doesn't make any real sense either given that the BoS in Fallout 1 and 2 were actually introducing technology back into the wastes, and were helping places like the Hub and Shady Sands rebuild.

The Mojave Chapter was led by Elder Elijah, who was crazy as fuck and refused to retreat from Helios. That is why the NCR opposes the Brotherhood of Steel's Mojave Chapter. You can actually negotiate a truce with one of the Elders, not so with the other one who firmly believes in the principles of the Codex.

>>187400946
>They want to absorb the Omertas tribe into the Legion.
They want to do that with everyone. Secretly giving them cash under the table does nothing to further that goal, or make the Ometras more prone to joining the Legion, all it does is make the Legion have to fight slightly better armed Omertas in their crusade of conquest.

>Admittedly a bunch of the Khans not knowing this shit is a little sketchy but not that unbelievable since the Khans are effectively pariahs hiding out in Red Rock
Except they aren't. They have connection ranging from the Fiends, all the way to people inside the NCR, and runner like Anders are able to walk around the mojave with impunity. There is no reason they shouldn't know this.

>you still have to do some major talking to convince them against the idea of NCR revenge and reclaiming Khan glory, that's kind of the lynchpin of the whole thing.
Except you don't. You just have to show his fellow leaders the bad side of the Legion, at which point Papa Khan pulls a 180 and then asks what they should do then, at which point you can hilariously tell him to act like the Khans... the very faction they are based off of, because they apparent have no idea who the Khans were... despite being named after them.

Its like telling Fallout 4's railroad what the railroad was.

>but I do not remember any Legion involvement in that at all
Caesar outright asks you to go to Mortimer and help him turn them back into Cannibals as part of the Main Quest.

>Well, it's mainly for the artillery, but yes also guns and ammo.
The problem is they NEVER GET IT. You 100% fail to get the boomers to give anyone guns.You., quite objectively, fail at the task you were given, and no one seems to care.

>"We'll help you when the battle comes" is good enough
That isn't how politics work, no one would just accept that without some sort of assurances as to what help they were going to give, so they can plan on how to use it effectively during the battle for the dam.

>>187401376

>New Vegas is a game whose every major plot line just falls apart under any real scrutiny.

Same goes for literally ever other Fallout game, starting with

>one person changes the entire fate of a region

This would be The Elder Scroll's case as well if it wasn't because of

>muh prophecy

>>187401796
>unbreakable spotlights
>you can shoot them down in game
Literally discarded

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>>187402060
Difference is one big superhero is the bread and butter of medieval fantasy whilst post apocalypse has always been a bit more nuanced, as far as literature goes

>>187401376
>In just 30 years time, an elderly balding man, who read a few history books, was able to conquer, and strip the identities of, over 80 tribal groups

I don't actually see what's unreasonable about this with the nature of tribes in Fallout and the methods of the Legion. In real life more impressive things have occured in history over a spanse of time similar if not smaller.

>as well as purge all raiders and hostile factions from his lands

I would assume that the belligerents in most regions were absorbed into the Legion itself. Again, with the Legions methods I'm not sure how unbelievable it is that they managed to either scare off or kill the remaining Wasters that didn't join the Legion.

>despite having no farms, no towns of his own, no mines, and no means of production

Source on this? Presumably there are farms, towns, mines and means of production in the area of the Legion that spans Arizona, New Mexico, Colorado and most of Utah. They didn't just destroy them.

>yet could almost beat the NCR at the first Battle of Hoover Dam, and, as New Vegas suggests, would have beaten the NCR the second time around, despite the NCR etc

Yes and Vietnamese peasants as well as scarf wearing goat herders have managed to beat the US army despite it's massive advantage of technology. Besides, it's canon that Legion soldiers are individually better trained and more fanatical than NCR soldiers, as well as far, far more numerous. Fallout is also a setting in which melee weapons are a viable alternative to firearms, it has been this way since the beginning.

>>187402060
>one person can't change the fate of a region
wat

>>187401796
Not really. Most of this post where they say
>No why
Its directly explained in-game.

-The Institute kidnaps people to replace them for use asa agents so they can manipulate the surface.

-Synths are not designed to be sentient, The Institute mentions several times they consider synths believing that they are to be a fault they are trying to correct.

-Synth Shaun was built because real Shaun wanted to give his living parent the childhood with him that they never got.

-The Railroad blows up The Institute because not even synths believe that anyone should have the power to make sentient being like synths.

-The Institute turned off the life support of everyone else in the Vault because they didn't have related DNA to their primary subject, aka Shaun, which made them non-viable as backup doners in case Shaun died. Keepign them alive alos just meant morep ower drain that could be better used for keeping the primary backups alive, and keeping them alive also meant there was a greater chance one of them could be released, and could accidentally release the backups, causing the whole backup plan to fail.

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>>187398383
>Leather Armor that high

Ain't even gonna refute. Fully-decked out Leather Armor with Convenient Accessories is fucking sweet. It's like that mod was made specifically for Leather Armor. A great replacement for the travesty that is the Reinforced Leather Armor.

>>187402332
Also, Shaun didn't just bring Nate/Nora to The Institute because he wanted to see if his parents cared enough about him to try to find him, and he wanted to see what kind of people his parents were, an experiment that would be ruined if they were just shown Shaun from the bringing.

>>187402282
>comparing Vietnam to the NCR war
Read a book, NV got its ass handed to it by US in conventional fighting like the Hoover dam is an example of, the NV had a home turf advantage and guerilla warfare along with a decentralized chain of command (opposite of the legion)
Basically all the NVs advantages are negated at Hoover and they'd have been slaughtered
>speaking on things you have no knowledge of

>>187401910

>Secretly giving them cash under the table does nothing to further that goal

What the hell are you talking about? The Omertas will be better prepared to take over the Strip. The Omertas literally have no chance against the Legion, their best course of action is to join them or die.

>They have connection ranging from the Fiends

Who are all a bunch of fucked up junkies.

>and runner like Anders are able to walk around the mojave with impunity

And guess what: he helps you out when trying to convince Melissa about the Legion.

>Except you don't. You just have to show his fellow leaders the bad side of the Legion, at which point Papa Khan pulls a 180 and then asks what they should do then, at which point you can hilariously tell him to act like the Khans... the very faction they are based off of, because they apparent have no idea who the Khans were... despite being named after them.

Did you know information gets lost with time? Why do you think the Brotherhood keeps solid records of their history? Not to mention "act like the Khans" is such a retarded phrase to say, because you aren't telling Papa Khan "just be yourselves", rather, "look at what this real life empire did".

>You 100% fail to get the boomers to give anyone guns

That's literally like saying you fail to help out Boulder City just because the workers aren't actually working once you clear out the quarry at Sloan. It's implicit.

>That isn't how politics work

Argue against the parties believing you (which IS a stretch of the imagination, something that has plagued videogames since forever, "I did thing but I have no proof"), but you are being moronic if you truly believe the Boomers would betray you after EVERYTHING you have done for them and every ounce of respect you earn with your actions.

>>187402529
>>187402332
Every time I see pics like those in
>>187401796

It makes me wonder how one can be so unobservant.

Like over half of that shit is stuff directly answered in the game itself.

>>187402332
>triggered so hard by the pic you completely forgot how to write intelligibly
>goes all ape on the logic
Top lel. Also doppelganger synths are a minority.

>>187402264

No, the difference is one's actions being justified by prophecy, and another's actions not being justified by prophecy.

Of course the Dragonborn can do whatever the fuck he wants, he is the Dragonborn, he simply cannot die before defeating Alduin.

Morrowind's prophecy is different because it isn't "you are the Nerevarine", rather, "you are the first to fulfill the conditions to be the Nerevarine".

It has nothing to do with fantasy vs post-apocalypse, but the fact that the idea of "prophecy" isn't present in more realistic works.

>>187402313

Yeah, I meant to say "one person does a lot of unbelievable actions and changes the fate of a region". Trump can change the fate of the US, but he certainly didn't fight hordes of bears to death with his bear hands.

>>187402332
Was Shaun the single baby dweller in the whole Vault?

>>187402821
That's a nice point and all but if Mama Murphy isn't a spitter of prophecy what is she?
Also if you payed attention to Skyrim as much as you did Morrowind you'd know he was also foretold in prophecy (what is the book of the dragon born)
Same as Oblivion, it's a consistent trope in ES games.

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>>187402993
ES games were never deep main plot wise anyway,its the setting which sold the game.
Prophecy is merely the hook for plot to go on.

>>187401910
>all it does is make the Legion have to fight slightly better armed Omertas in their crusade of conquest.
You literally ignored the second part of my post. The Omertas want to join the Legion and are clearing the Strip in preparation for Caesar's arrival and in order to impress the Legion.

>at which point you can hilariously tell him to act like the Khans... the very faction they are based off of, because they apparent have no idea who the Khans were... despite being named after them.

You do know how old the Khans tribe is right? They've been around for well over a century by the time of New Vegas. It is entirely reasonable that they didn't bother maintaining all the historical knowledge of the real life Mongolians , which they likely didn't have much knowledge of in the first place.


>Caesar outright asks you to go to Mortimer and help him turn them back into Cannibals as part of the Main Quest.
That's my bad. Never did a Legion playthrough.

>The problem is they NEVER GET IT. You 100% fail to get the boomers to give anyone guns.You., quite objectively, fail at the task you were given, and no one seems to care.

Because you manage to secure the support of one of the most well armed groups in the Mojave for the Battle of Hoover Dam, which is a lot considering it was unlikely you were going to make it in anyway.

>That isn't how politics work, no one would just accept that without some sort of assurances as to what help they were going to give,

Well apart from the whole thing about getting the bomber working being the finale of the questline, and your objective was to secure Boomer support.

>>187402565
>What the hell are you talking about? The Omertas will be better prepared to take over the Strip.
Which the Legion has no need for because they can easily do it themselves.

The Legion helping the Omertas under the tables serves no purpose!

>Who are all a bunch of fucked up junkies.
Wrong, only the ones outside are. Motor Runner and the oens insdie the Vault are still obviously sane and know about what is going on in the outside world.

>And guess what: he helps you out when trying to convince Melissa about the Legion.
Which does nothing to address the original point of him not knowing something he should known long ago.

>Did you know information gets lost with time?
Yes, the Railroad has no knowledge of its history dating back more then 20 years ago.

Still doesn't mean they are so stupid as to not know how the organization they are named after operated.

The Khans being unaware of what the Khans did requires an absolutely massive amount of mental gymnastics.

>That's literally like saying you fail to help out Boulder City just because the workers aren't actually working once you clear out the quarry at Sloan. It's implicit.
Except it isn't, becuase its actually stated the workers will come back to Sloan, while no one ever mentions gun trading with the Boomers.

This is ignoring the fact that Obsidian was so incompetent they couldn't manage to do shit Bethesda did in Fallout 3 in regards to stuff like this... despite having all the Fallout 3 code.

>but you are being moronic if you truly believe the Boomers would betray you
I never said the boomers would betray you.... are you mentally hanidcapped anon?

I said the NCR/Legion/House wouldn't just accept the idea that the boomers are going to help them without some knowledge of how the boomers plan to help them.

Boomers can blast the dam all they want, if there is no coordination between the two groups, they could very easily end up blowing up the NCR's forces despite claiming to help them.

>>187402529
>Shaun didn't just bring Nate/Nora to The Institute because he wanted to see if his parents cared enough about him to try to find him

No he literally tells you that he never expected you to make it to the institute.
He also literally tells you that he felt absolutely no love for you when he had you released and was merely curious.

>>187402993

>That's a nice point and all but if Mama Murphy isn't a spitter of prophecy what is she?

A bullshit NPC from a shit game. Keep that fantasy garbage out of my game because it is literally the laziest excuse for writing ever made: "she predicts it so the Sole Survivor will be ok".

>>187403138
>The Omertas want to join the Legion
Not him, but no they don't.

They even mention they plan to fight The Legion

>>187402878
Not him but

Yes, did you see any others in there?

>>187403116
No argument here, my entire point was comparing FO and ES setting or plot wise will often fail as they are opposed to eachother in ideas and general attitude (chaos vs order ES, Chaos and Order vs Order and Chaos for FO)

>>187403138

>It is entirely reasonable that they didn't bother maintaining all the historical knowledge of the real life Mongolians , which they likely didn't have much knowledge of in the first place.

What anon implies is that the Khans also thought "let's base us after THE REAL MONGOLS", when it may have probably been like "hey, the Khan name sounds pretty cool and Mongols have cool imagery". Which is literally how I imagine these tribes began.

>>187403189
You are correct but you completely disregarded the context of the conversation. Stick to your NV debate, bub.

>>187403181
>No he literally tells you that he never expected you to make it to the institute.
I never said he expected you to reach them anon. I only said he wanted to see if you would try.

>He also literally tells you that he felt absolutely no love for you when he had you released and was merely curious.
Again, I never said he loved you in any way, I said he wanted to see if you would try to find him.

Nice straw men and goalpost moving though.

>>187403189
Sounds like a guy I know named Joshua Graham
Or Ulysses
Elijah
Be mad all you want, she's a better written and more believable character than those.

>>187403317
Considering they were effectively the scummy Waster equivalent of biker gang in the first game, I 100% believe that. They adopted the Khan imagery to look cool and tough, not for political or ideological reasons like the Legion so it very clearly wasn't important to maintain knowledge of the inspirational history.

>>187403397
So he never loved you in any way, figured you would die horribly on the way...and then he went on and made synth shota of himself which isnt really sentient in the first place.

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>>187403317
New Vegas is based on a western theme.
Great Khans are more likely based on John Wayne as Genghis Khan.

>>187403189
>Keep that fantasy garbage out of my fantasy game

>>187403539
But the legion is more of a Ottoman Empire tho, all the way down to pretending to be roman

>>187403592
The Khans weren't a creation of New Vegas.

>>187403138
>The Omertas want to join the Legion
No they don't, they hate The Legion.

>You do know how old the Khans tribe is right?
Yes and? Minutemen are even older ,and yet they still know who the fucking Minutemen were!

>Because you manage to secure the support of one of the most well armed groups in the Mojave for the Battle of Hoover Dam
Again, that isn't how politics work, no one would just accept that you secured their support without asking in what way they plan to help so that they can plan to use that help effectively, and not possibly have their own men killed/blown up in the process.

The NCR/House/Legion just blindly accept that it's all going to work out, despite none of them knowing anything about what is going to happen, because you are the main character.

how do i make netflix display on the in game tvs?

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>>187403592
>Mojave Wasteland is based off the movie set

>>187403661
I think the anon means the design language of them in a 3D game you massive autist

>>187403589
>and then he went on and made synth shota of himself which isnt really sentient in the first place.
Any good scientist will tell you not having expectations of something happening doesn't mean you shouldn't be prepared for it in case it does.

I have no doubt that synth Shaun was part of some even larger plan in regards to testing emotional patterns in synths or some shit.

Real Shaun even says when you first meet him that they are only now experimenting with the effects of extreme emotional stimuli in synths, and what better way to test that then with a child and his parent/

>>187403784
search netflix on nexusmods.com

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>>187403842
>extreme emotional stimuli in synths
>if you died Shaun would most likely sexually molest his shota self for "testing purposes"
Its not rape,right? Synths arent truly sentient anyway.

>>187403663
>Yes and? Minutemen are even older ,and yet they still know who the fucking Minutemen were!

Yes and the Minutemen base themselves off of the IRL ones for ideological purposes and are ment to be some sort of heroic noble cause. Of course it's important to maintain that link of history. The Khans in the first game were a bunch of thugs living in tents in the desert,they obviously chose the Khan name and aesthetic because it made them seem tough and suited their raider behaviour. Not to mention that they're wiped down to literally the last man (who himself is just some young kid) at the end of the first game and just about survive through theone guy, who, in the second game is commanding a group of thugs squatting in a long abandoned vault. That's a lot of fucking dilution and it's hardly important for them to care at all about Genghis Khan beyond the name and the idea that they're tough raiders.

>>187403160

>Which the Legion has no need for because they can easily do it themselves.

If you want to lose soldiers, I suppose. Have the Legion fight the NCR and possibly the Omertas, or let the Omertas take care of the NCR first.

>Wrong, only the ones outside are. Motor Runner and the oens insdie the Vault

Literally NOTHING on Motor-Runner's dialogue implies he knows about Caesar's Legion's dealings in any way or form, only that they deal with the Khans.

To call this "obviously sane and knowledgeable about the outside world" is a huge stretch. The ones who ARE aware about Caesar's Legion are the truly sane NPCs.

>Which does nothing to address the original point of him not knowing something he should known long ago.

Why should he know? The Khans didn't deal with the Legion until Karl showed up and promised stuff for them. Anders wasn't even going to Cottonwode Cove, he got captured by the Legion there and he was completely unaware of them.

I truly think some users can't dissociate "gameplay" from "reality", they believe people travel hundreds of miles every day as the player does in-game.

>The Khans being unaware of what the Khans did requires an absolutely massive amount of mental gymnastics.

Not unless you believe they treated the Mongols as a religion. And evidently they do not, if they "forget" it.

>while no one ever mentions gun trading with the Boomers

The player does not ever mention "they have agreed to trade their guns and ammo", only "they have agreed to HELP ME".

>This is ignoring the fact that Obsidian was so incompetent they couldn't manage to do shit Bethesda did in Fallout 3 in regards to stuff like this... despite having all the Fallout 3 code.

You are evidently being too anal about New Vegas, why I do not know considering no one has ever criticized Fallout 3 or Fallout 4 as anally as you have.

Some of us are just content with stuff as "I'm a very disappointed in you for blowing up Megaton" being a plot hole.

>>187404067
>Yes and the Minutemen base themselves off of the IRL ones for ideological purposes
And the Khans did the same thing wit the Khans.

Especially wit the Khans connections to the Followers, and the Followers knowledge of who the Khans actually were, this idea that they would not have any real idea who the Khans were is a stretch at best.

What's funny is that the whole "THIS DOESN'T MAKE SENSE" anon group would probably go "OSBIDIAN DOESN'T SHOW, ONLY TELLS" if the game gave answer to each one of their questions through dialogue...

Because yes, 18 months is more than enough to deliver a bug-free, perfect videogame that makes perfect way in every single way and form, down to the Brahmins-to-settlers proportion.

>>187404603
>Because yes, 18 months is more than enough to deliver a bug-free, perfect videogame
Then announce it some months later until you fix these points.

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>>187403663

Listen here, Anon.

Imagine how much the average pleb knows about Genghis Khan and the Mongolians. They probably know he was a tough son of a bitch that led a big army and raided everyone a long, long time ago, right? Even if you think the average joe on the street knows more than that about Khan, imagine then what some street thug or biker gang member knows.Less than average, would you agree? Now, picture that in a post-apocalyptic wasteland where that sort of information is hardly relevant nor well maintained. Now picture that a Wasteland raider gang, a bunch of wasters fucking, drinking and fighting in some shitty tents surrounding a burnt out house in the desert pick up the idea to call themselves something. Every gang or tribe needs a name and they need people to know they're tough right? It's already what Jackals and Vipers are doing, right? Well they call themselves the Khans because they know that Khan was some badass sonuvabitch who raided people with a big army a long time ago, and they want people to think they're badass raiders like him as well.

Well now imagine that entire gang were killed to the last man by some fucknut in a skin tight jumpsuit. Poof, all bloody gibs in the desert. Except for one kid who manages to run away. Years later, being a scummy waster himself he brings the gang he grew up in back to life. Starts it again. What does he do? He calls it the same as what it was called when he was a kid. They're the Khans, they're the baddest raiders in the Wasteland. Does he know let alone give a fuck where the name comes from? Well, anon, I can't really say that he does. I want you to imagine that restructured, rebuilt Khans, with that surviving leading member also killed, with just his new reformed Khan tribe alive. Now I want you to imagine that tribe surviving for another century in the California and Mojave Wastelands.

Do you really think they're going to know their Mongolian history by 2282?

>>187404728

>releasing FNV sixth months before Skyrim

>he STILL doesn't believe deacon is the LW

>>187404364
>If you want to lose soldiers, I suppose
They are likely to lose more soldiers to chlorine gas equipped Omertas then they would to Omertas that are not.

>Why should he know?
Because hes shown hes able to freely walk around the Mojave, and everyone else in the Mojave seems to know. The idea that the Khans would do ZERO background checking on people they plan to ally with is hilariously retarded.

But pretty par for the course when it comes to Obsidian I suppose.

>Not unless you believe they treated the Mongols as a religion. And evidently they do not, if they "forget" it.
The Railroad, Minutemen, and al lthe other factions based on pre-war factions don't, and yet still retainedk nwoedlge of what those factions were.

The Khans are just this bizarre anomaly, whose existence is really only justifiable to push a plot device.

>The player does not ever mention "they have agreed to trade their guns and ammo", only "they have agreed to HELP ME".
THAT IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM YOU FUCKING IDIOT!

The NCR sends them to get guns, at no point does the player mention they were able to do that, ergo, the player failed at the job he was sent to do, yet no one seems to care!

>why I do not know considering no one has ever criticized Fallout 3 or Fallout 4 as anally as you have.
The fact that idiotic pics like
>>187401796
And that one even more idiotic picture with the Simpsons on it that deals with Fallout 3's plot shows otherwise anon.

This isn't even 1/10 the level of nitpicky bullshit that people have come up with for Bethesda's games.

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>>187404868

>Do you really think they're going to know their Mongolian history by 2282?

Our anonymous friendly must evidently be pic related.

>Take that, Josh Sawyer!

>>187404603
The fact that Obsidian made a game as complex as they did, with no ability to finish it, only shows Obsidian really has no idea how to manage game development.

OFC, after KOTOR 2, NWN2, Dungeon Siege 3, Alpha Protocol, and New Vegas, where broken, buggy, and largely incomplete, games, there is a reason why every major publisher out there wants nothing to do with Obsidian.

They are simply terrible when it comes to making games.

Even when crowd funding, PoE was often decried as having an incomplete third act, and the stronghold begin unfinished.

Obsidian just can't fucking make a game to save their lives.

>>187404596
The Khans only re-established a stable relationship with the Followers after they left the mojave.
As already been mentioned the Khans used to be a claifornian gang that was wiped out to one man, reformed, decimated again, chased out of claifornia, reformed, stomped by House, stomped be the NCR.
The tribe that originally came up with the idea to form a gang called Khans is far removed from the Khans in the mojave.

The Khans also don't have the benefit to live in the ruins of a city that is stuffed full of history and landmarks related to their namesakes like the minutemen do.

>>187404603
I love Obsidian and New Vegas is my favourite game, but the 18 months thing is not really an excuse anymore.

>>187405189

Broken, buggy, and largely incomplete, I have still replayed New Vegas far too many times for me to count them.

Fallout 3 I must have played twice, and a third one where I uninstalled after exiting the Vault.

Completeness means nothing if your game is a shit RPG.

>>187404995
Bethesda never wrote good games anon, it was always played for the worldbuilding and simple but workable plots.
Moving from Elder Scrolls fantasy to Fallout didnt transition well...its like applying Conan kind of script to Blade Runner setting.

>>187404995
>THAT IS EXACTLY THE PROBLEM YOU FUCKING IDIOT!

For the House and Yes Man questlines, you're only supposed to get them to agree to help you. Which is exactly what you do. With the NCR, it's implicit.

>>187404603
>Because yes, 18 months is more than enough to deliver a bug-free, perfect videogame that makes perfect way in every single way and form, down to the Brahmins-to-settlers proportion.
You would have a point if the majority of development wasn't done for them both by Bethesda and by the FO3 mod community.

>>187405504
They managed to write better games then Obsidian at least.

They also managed far better the thematics of the series, something they always did well with Elder Scrolls.

>>187405431

I love New Vegas as well (to say I love Obsidian is a stretch... I really like their people, though), but 18 months simply wasn't enough time for the type of game Obsidian WANTED to make.

There is no "New Vegas, but complete". It would be a different game entirely, for better or for worse. Personally I don't think a smaller, "more focused" New Vegas would have been better. There are already games like that (FO1) and I find it dreadfully boring to replay them.

>>187404995
>The Railroad, Minutemen, and al lthe other factions based on pre-war factions don't
Not only are these two based on american groups that are directly linked to bostons history and thus there are plenty of landmarks decribing them even to wandering scavvers, they are also incredibly young compared to the Mongols who, let me remind you, lived on a different continent many centuries ago.

>>187405627

What is Fallout 3's grand writing? What is Fallout 4's grand writing?

I ask sincerely, because I honestly do not remember. What blew your fucking mind off with these games' writing?

I can tell you what New Vegas gave: some extremely memorable factions, an incredible setting, and fantastic DLCs.

>They also managed far better the thematics of the series

What "thematics" of the series?

I honestly find these empty sentences hilarious.

>>187405627
>They also managed far better the thematics of the series
>by changing the theme

Todd pls go.

>>187405883
Simple. Bleak post apocalypse has become wacky frontier wasteland with personal meme quests and Mass Effect morality system.
Music totally shows how different Interplay and Bethesda design games in the first place.

>>187405627
>>187405883

For fuck's sake: the simple fact that Three-Dog even CONSIDERS the idea of you going to a Super Mutant infested location to fix A FUCKING DISH is ridiculous (as well as "I'm very disappointed in you for blowing up a town of innocents, come on, let's get going with my life's work that you could POSSIBLY TRY TO SABOTAGE") and should be the very end to all the "Fallout 3 had good writing" memes.

>>187404995
>The NCR sends them to get guns
They don't actually. Both NCR and House literally send you to either secure their assistance or make sure they don't assist anyone else.
The Boomers are a wildcard they want adressed, one way or another. If you wipe them out both house and the NCR will be perfectly happy with it because at least now they don'T have to worry about the Boomers.
Weapons were never of strategic importance to the fight.

>>187406086

Based on all this I have no doubt that it is either a very elaborate meme master or a complete retard, but retards simply do not type like that, so congratulations for all the (You)s you got from me.

>>187404995
>The Railroad, Minutemen, and al lthe other factions based on pre-war factions don't, and yet still retainedk nwoedlge of what those factions were.

Yes because Bethesdas is lazy and just has tacky "themed" factions themed after relevant locations or ideas from the map and doesn't bother to make them their own individual written factions beyond that. It's New England/Boston! Let's do American history! They're the Railroad, so they free slaves! They're the Minutemen, so they're a militia that dress like the real minutemen! The only faction in New Vegas like that is the Legion, and the gimmick of them being imitations is far better developed as an idea rather than them being imitations for the sake of imitations since they're in Boston and they need to have Boston-y things. In-lore those factions are not only SURROUNDED by their history they also have their inspirational history as a core to their noble/ideological cause, similar to the Legion and as such they maintain more general knowledge of it.

The Khans are literally a bunch of junkie thugs who want people to think they're tough and fuck shit up. They have no noble goal or deep ideology that necessitates them preserving the history of the inspiration for their name and gang outfits. Especially since they've been effectively wiped out twice, and nearly a third time at that.

>>187406201
It could be worse. He could be one of those guys that wants to diddle kids.

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>>187406201
>this isnt a discussion,its a ruse
>why should i elaborate myself

>>187406084
I'm pretty sure Fallout 2 was the wacky frontier wasteland with personal meme quests.

>>187405627
>They also managed far better the thematics of the series

Yes, like when "War Never Changes" is uttered about ten times in the first half an hour of Fallout 4. That was very sublte and intelligent handling of the themes of the series.

>>187406084
>Simple. Bleak post apocalypse
2/10 you failed right out of the gate

>>187405883
Who said anything about grand writing?

>some extremely memorable factions
Memorable only due to how utterly nonsensical and plot hole filled they were.

>an incredible setting
A setting that was widely mock as being far more dull, and less worth exploring, then Fallout 3's, even by many of the people who liked New Vegas more then Fallout 3.

>and fantastic DLCs.
Dead Money, Honest Hearts, and Lonesome road are all often critized as being boring, or simply shitty, with only OWB being really liked by most people.

>What "thematics" of the series?
-Player starts off in an isolated community to explain their lack of knowledge of the world(Vaults in Fallout 1/3/4, tribal village in 2)

-Player is sent to retrieve an item to help save their way of life(Water chip/GECK/Father/Son)

-This originally mundane task leads into a larger conflict between various powers that will decide the fate of the region(The Master/Enclave/BoS/Institute)

-With Fallout 3, and 4, they have even established a consistent main theme for the series, much like they have in TES with the (Lorkhan's heartbeat) that changes a bit each game to reflect the specific themes of that game. Fallout 4's even forcibly drags New Vega's into it by mixing bit of NV's theme into its main theme as well.

Consistency of narrative elements, plot points, and musical touchstones, between games, that solidifies the series as a series, rather then a bunch of games just all set in the same universe.

>>187406168
>>187405317
>>187404868
Notice how the memester does not address these posts.

>>187406084
>Simple. Bleak post apocalypse
Fallout was never bleak.

It was always full of silly 1950's scifi b-movie cliches, and pop culture references.

Fallout 2 being the most extreme is doing this.

>>187406349
Sure was,nothing says meme quests like joining slavers or pimping your wife. Or killing children.
>>187406398
But it is quite bleak.
Compare
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0M7FAoK3fM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fjM9pKeEGw

To
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fEzqndjwwIA

>>187406429
>with only OWB being really liked by most people.
And even that's derided for being "Reddit: The DLC"

Obsidian may write better games but Bethesda make better games.

>>187406369
>Yes, like when "War Never Changes" is uttered about ten times in the first half an hour of Fallout 4.
It was literally twice.

Once during the intro, and another my Nate, who was narrating the intro, going over his line for his speech for the vet hall, which was the intro speech

>>187406719
>but Bethesda makes better mod platforms
fixt

>>187406429
>Consistency of narrative elements, plot points, and musical touchstones, between games, that solidifies the series as a series, rather then a bunch of games just all set in the same universe
>Fallout 1/2 have 1 popular number during intro cinematic
>F3/4 have GTA radio with the tunes
>consistency

>>187406260
>Yes because Bethesdas is lazy and just has tacky "themed" factions themed after relevant locations or ideas from the map and doesn't bother to make them their own individual written factions beyond that.
>its lazy to have factions based on American ideals and history
>in a series based around American ideals
Is this a shitpost?

>by their history they also have their inspirational history as a core to their noble/ideological cause, similar to the Legion
Actually, according to Sawyer, no one in the Legion has any real udnerstanding of Roman history, and part of the reason Caesar kills all Followers of the Apocalypse in his lands, and forces the Followers out of the Mojave, is that he is afraid the followers will tell his men they are being duped.

>>187406874
not any of these guys but

>*F3/NV/4 have GTA radio with the tunes

>>187382268
>Paying for Fallout 4 so you can have the privilege of paying for CC mods
SWEDEN YES

>>187406336

>why should i elaborate myself

Because the other anon literally said Bethesda's writes better Fallout games than Obsidian. I certainly do not get that impression, at all, and anyone who gives two shits about writing neither.

It's literally a handful of users that say FO3 and FO4 have better writing than New Vegas vs a mountain of users that claim otherwise.

Now, I'm not saying "bigger = better", but I do find it interesting than in such a niche topic of videogames (let's be honest, almost no one cares about writing) they are in the very minority.

>Memorable only due to how utterly nonsensical and plot hole filled they were.

I find the NCR and the Legion with their strengths are flaws much more memorable than "we want to help the wasteland because we are good guys!", "we want to kill irradiated people just because, even when a little radiation isn't a concern!".

Not to mention I can join them at the very least if I see it fit.

>A setting that was widely mock as being far more dull, and less worth exploring

I found the setting much more engaging than FO3's "empty wasteland", since FO3's is literally more empty than New Vegas: there are a handful of settlements here and there, but it's mostly just ruins and nothing more. And I do find New Vegas' much more interesting to traverse.

>Dead Money, Honest Hearts, and Lonesome road are all often critized as being boring, or simply shitty, with only OWB being really liked by most people.

I liked all three I played for different reasons, and remember all of them for different (and very good) reasons. I can't even remember what the plot was of Point Lookout, The Pitt, and the less I say about the two railroaded DLCs and the "let's fix the broken ending by making it less memorable" DLC the better.

cont.

>>187406874
>Fallout 1 and 2 used pre-war music to set the theme of the game
>budgetary limitations, as well as computer limitations of the time, prevented them from having more real songs i ntheir games
>These limitations no longer exist in modern games
>Bethesda taking what Fallout 1/2 did to its logical end
>Not consistent

>>187406874
>Fallout 1/2 have a popular 50s song playing during the intro
>F3, NV*** and 4 expand this and have popular 50s songs playing throughout the game
This is still consistent themeatically. Whether you like it or not is irrelevant. Really, you shouldn't be critiquing Bethesda for actually doing something different.

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ITT Bethesda writer comes to /vg/ to argue his writing isnt trash

All i can say is Bethesda will never outsource Fallout to Obsidian or anyone else because game might turn out superior and they humiliated as a dev. Just how CD Project Red trashed them with Witcher 3 on rewards.
>>187407096
New Vegas was contractually obliged to have those, its not like Obsidian had free reign with the game design.

>>187407190
>It's literally a handful of users that say FO3 and FO4 have better writing than New Vegas vs a mountain of users that claim otherwise.
Uhh no, its more like the voal minority of Obsidian fanabse vs the larger amount of normies and Bethesda fans who don't care enough to argue with what has been historically one of the most fanatic, and rabid, indie fan bases in the gaming world.

>>187386903
Because NYC for sure has been established to be nothing but an irradiated hellhole dominated by muties. There's nothing there

>>187407349
>its not like Obsidian had free reign with the game design.
Obsidian said the only thing they weren't allowed to do was make it a prequel.

>>187407379
>Bethesda fans/normies
OY HOL UP
RAISE YOUR HAND TODD FANS

>>187407349
>New Vegas was contractually obliged to have those
Citation needed.

>>187407349
>Just how CD Project Red trashed them with Witcher 3 on rewards.
Lol whut?

I like Witcher 3, but saying Witcher 3 trashed TES or Fallout at anything is hilarious.

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>>187407014
>>its lazy to have factions based on American ideals and history

In the way that Bethesda does it, yes. Just having shallow le wacky post-apocalyptic imitations is massively boring. Stuff like the Kings is doing it correctly. Elvis is fantastically Americana and pretty key in the Vegas style, but they're not literally a bunch of musicians who theme themselves after Elvis. They're still their own faction with their own developed plot, they're not just "Elvis, but post-apocalyptic" in the same way that the railroad is "The underground railroad, but postapocalyptic" or the minutemen are "The minutemen, but post-apocalyptic." Theme park is a criticism that gets thrown at Bethesda for their world in building in Fallout, and the shallow locale themed factions are a major part of that.

>Actually, according to Sawyer, no one in the Legion has any real udnerstanding of Roman history,

Are you retarded? Do you not see how this supports my point? That even the fucking Legion, who's entire existence is based around a leader who used Roman history as direct inspiration to shape a tribal identity still does not have a correct grasp on Roman history itself due to the passage of time and the context of the Wasteland. So that should speak to you as to how silly it is to expect the fucking Khans, some junkie waster crew who have been nearly wiped out entirely on three seperate occasions in their hundred years of being useless thug fucks, to have a strong grasp on Mongolian history.

>>187407349
So we've gone to straight up lying now

>>187407190

Oops, meant for >>187406429

cont:

>Player starts off in an isolated community to explain their lack of knowledge of the world(Vaults in Fallout 1/3/4, tribal village in 2)

Literally only Fallout and Fallout 2, since saying "we decided to take the series in this direction" by no means constitutes "thematics of the series".

Literally all the other things you mentioned aren't "themes", they are parallels in the plot, but by no means THEMES.

>My idea is to explore more of the world and more of the ethics of a post-nuclear world, not to make a better plasma gun. - Tim Cain

That is the way best to describe Fallout's theme: the ethics of a post-nuclear world.

There are no ethics in 3 when the moral choices are black and white: be a complete asshole, or be a good guy. And even being a complete asshole is ridiculous because you are still railroaded through the BoS path.

Similar with Fallout 4: the game tries its hardest to make you be the good guy, to the point Nuka-World was ESPECIFICALLY DIRECTED to the people who said "I want to be a bad guy!", and Bethesda COMPLETELY MISSED THE POINT because the DLC is literally "The Bad Guys' DLC".

New Vegas is the game that understood Fallout the best as it evolved from it: you no longer where forced to join a particular faction, you now had a choice on what you thought was best for the wasteland. It drove the point home by letting you pick the Legion when people say "BUT THEY ARE OBVIOUSLY BAD". Notice how "ethics" isn't the same as "morals": what you think is good doesn't necessarily means "what is best for the wasteland".

This is what the father of Fallout had to say on the matter, and it is pretty clear which one is the truest Fallout game: http://www.nma-fallout.com/threads/tim-cain-on-fallout-3-new-vegas-troika-and-more.198940/

>>187407523
Not him but you should have seen the level of shitposting on /v/ when W3 not only collected more GOTYs than Fallout 4 but also become most awarded Game in history.

>>187407523
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-y8AlQx0AM

As far as any recognition comes this is the only one around that has any kind of weight and press just rolled with em. There is a reason why Todd started doing Peter Molyneux "we made mistakes" excuses after F4

>>187407603
>Stuff like the Kings is doing it correctly.
The Kings are one of the most poorly implemented facts in any of the newer Fallout games, and do nothing to serve the setting of the game besides being Elvis cosplayers for the sake of being Elvis cosplayers, whereas factions like the Railroad, and the Minutemen, take the pre-war organizations they were based on, and use their names because those are the ideals they actually strive for.

You literally got the objective defintiions of good and bad writing backwards.

>still does not have a correct grasp on Roman history itself due to the passage of time
Except that wasn't what was stated.

what was stated is that they don't have a grasp on it because Caesar doesn't fucking tell them.

Honest question..... are you dyslexic in some way?

>>187407349
>CDPR humiliated Bethesda
Not really. CDPR's track record is absolute trash compared to Bethesda's and you'd be fucking wrong if you said CDPR don't look to Bethesda as a source of inspiration. Both companies could stand to learn from each other but to say one outright humiliated the other is the most retarded, fanboyish shit I've seen in this thread.

>>187407760
Who the fuck unironically goes to /v/ anymore?

>>187407603
>Stuff like the Kings is doing it correctly.
Okay, hold the shitposting.

Do you actually and honestly believe this?

>>187407794
>As far as any recognition comes this is the only one around that has any kind of weight and press just rolled with em
And yet Fallout 4 won best game at the BAFTAs which is a far more prestigious event then "The Game Wards" which has been so mired in controversy and poor management people stopped taking them seriously like 6 years ago.

>>187407217
>>187407275

Putting a damn radio on the Pip-Boy isn't taking things to "their logical end".

Plenty of videogames start with a song as an intro music, yet not all of them (and I'd argue MOST of them) do not have an in-game radio to play music. Not even GTA counts as the game is about believability, not having a radio to play music (and plenty of music stations) would be simply strange in a game that lets you play fetch with a dog.

>This is still consistent themeatically.

The only "thematically consistent" aspect is that the radios play 50s songs. Having a radio in the first place isn't thematically consistent in any way or form.

In fact, it is exactly the opposite: Fallout was never meant to be this super happy and funny place where you blow the brains out of a deathclaw while blasting that congo song. Bethesda made it so.

>>187408160
>"The Game Wards"
Awards*

>>187407479

>Obsidian said the only thing they weren't allowed to do was make it a prequel.

I hope you are just joking. It's pretty clear that Obsidian

- Wasn't allowed to make it isometric or ditch the 3D FPS/3rd Person aspect altogether.
- Wasn't allowed to have completely mute NPCs.

Among others. I would ask Josh Sawyer about it, but I've bothered him too much already.

Do I have solid proof? No. Do you need proof if I told you I need to drink and eat to survive?

>>187408160
>BAFTA
>prestigious
Say what now? I don't really want to get into your spegfight but who in the world has respect for the BAFTAs?
I thought even complete normies who never went to /tv/ wrote the BAFTA off after they announced a minority quota for their awards.

>>187408258
> Fallout was never meant to be this super happy and funny place where you blow the brains out of a deathclaw while blasting that congo song.
Have you never played Fallout 2 m8?

Also, all the songs are there for irony sake, to juxtapose the idealistic future humanity believed it had, with the grim and destroyed future it got.

They are there to further emphasize just how far we fell.

I think I fucked up in Honest Hearts and I'm not sure how lads.
>Finish the quest for finding the Grand Staircase map holotape
>Fast travel after leaving the cave to get closer to where the White Leg camp is to take it out
>See some tribal sneaking up on me, its a Dead Horse Disciple of New Canaan that's hostile to me
>Fire at and kill her
>Suddenly the tribal bitch fucks off with my tape without saying anything and when I go to the Sorrow's camp they turn on me
>Figure its a betrayal scene that the dialogue didn't trigger for properly and kill daniel, taking back the tape
>Now the last quest left is just going back to the Mojave

What the fuck happened?

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I haven't been back to /fog/ since summer of 2015

Does the ghoul husbando fag still post here? Does the ENB spammer still post here?

I see rampant /v/ tier shitflinging over NV and 3 is still going on so that hasn't changed much. I heard you'd all become waifuhounds like /tesg/, now tell me straight, /fog/. Is that true?

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>>187407952
>CDPR's track record is absolute trash compared to Bethesda's
>3 hit games and Gwent spinoff
vs
>2 Fallouts and 3 ES games
>>187408160
>BAFTA
>movie critics awarding games
>the same ones that require diversity cast in the movie so it would be qualified
>Polish game vs m-muh slavery F4

>>187408568
the new canaan chick was probably a scout that wasn't actually hostile to you and when you fired at her you broke the quest chain by making the dead horses and sorrows hostile to you

>>187408654
>3 hit games and Gwent spinoff
to be fair the first witcher game was not a hit by any stretch of the imagination

>>187407945

>being Elvis cosplayers for the sake of being Elvis cosplayers

You mean like FO3's and FO4's factions?

Because that's literally it: they being named Railroad or Minutemen does literally nothing to serve the setting of the game.

You can get the Elvis out of the Kings and they still work as a faction, just like how you can get teh Railroad or Minutemen out of those factions and they will still work. They will all dress differently, but they will still work.

Like the King himself says

>This place could have been "The King's House of Dog Chow" and I still would have taken the name.

>>187408467
Why would it be isometric?
If they can't have mute NPCs then why does Christine exist?

>>187408654
>3 hit games
Not him, but neither Witcher 1 nor Witcher 2 were hits, they were both relatively small niche games, with only Witcher 3 actually getting any sort of large scale fanfare.

Last time I checked, which was admittedly some time ago, the entire Wticher series combined had barely sold more then Skyrim alone did, not even taking into account Morrowind, Oblivion, and the Fallout games.

>>187408467
>Do I have solid proof? No.
Then your original point about Obsidian being contractually obligated to include a radio has no leg to stand on. Saying it doesn't make it so and then comparing it to a widely known and accepted fact with real, tangible evidence confirming it is the most retarded argument you could've made.

>>187408520

>Have you never played Fallout 2 m8?

Does Fallout 2 have a radio you can tune in at all times?

>Also, all the songs are there for irony sake, to juxtapose the idealistic future humanity believed it had, with the grim and destroyed future it got.

I don't think that's how people use it, friend. Most importantly: if people used it like that, they would literally have no need for it. Only a retard needs to have the music spoonfed to him to get the idea of the setting.

>>187408764
>You mean like FO3's and FO4's factions?
Uhh no? Because Fallout 3 and 4's factions taking on those names actually tied in with their ideals, and the larger plot.

>You can get the Elvis out of the Kings and they still work as a faction
Which is exactly why its dumb.

If you can remove the central icon of a faction, and not have that faction change, then that faction has no real connection to its central icon, and there was no reason to give them said icon besides pandering.

>>187408654
>3 hit games
LOL

>>187408983
So what you're saying is that the aesthetics and surface level details are the most important of a faction? Good to know you're following the bethesda formula.

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>>187408467
>Do I have solid proof? No.
>I have solid proof? No.
>have solid proof? No.
>solid proof? No.
>proof? No.
>No.

Then shut the fuck up.

>>187408765

>Why would it be isometric?

Because it is the type of game Obsidian would make.

>If they can't have mute NPCs then why does Christine exist?

Because she is literally the only mute NPC in the whole game (if I'm not mistaken), as opposed to making every NPC in the game mute.

>>187408901

>Then your original point about Obsidian being contractually obligated to include a radio has no leg to stand on.

I didn't say that, but I agree with that user's comment: yes, only a sheeple would believe Obsidian could have gotten rid of the radio.

>Saying it doesn't make it so and then comparing it to a widely known and accepted fact with real, tangible evidence confirming it is the most retarded argument you could've made.

You do not know me, I could very well survive without eating or drinking. Likewise, I haven't read Obsidian's contract or spoken to their employees, but I very much doubt Bethesda would have told them "make whatever you want with OUR money".

Don't be stupid, anon.

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>>187408713
It was big enough to kickstart the dev team and get an update and followup games.
>>187408808
W3 sold 25 mils last time i checked. W1+2 sold 7.

>>187408921
>Does Fallout 2 have a radio you can tune in at all times?
No, but Fallout 2 has
-Hubologists
-Talking Spore Plants
-Chess playing Radscorpions
-Actual ghosts
-Bad xenomorph ripoffs
-Ghouls comically getting run over by cars
-Tons of overdone "sex" content in New Reno
-On top of a whole bunch of other shit like the random encounters

Fallout 2 was fo far beyond even the worst of Fallout 3, New Vegas, and 4, that Chris Avellone actually tried several times to make most of the game not canon because he was so ashamed over just how stupid it was.

>>187408983

>If you can remove the central icon of a faction, and not have that faction change, then that faction has no real connection to its central icon, and there was no reason to give them said icon besides pandering.

Like Bethesda's factions? Good to know.

Both the Minutemen and the Railroad literally didn't need affiliation to a former real life faction to make sense. If you believe otherwise you are being obtuse and don't want to admit it.

>>187409146
You're trying to argue conjecture and speculation as fact and you call me stupid?

k

>>187408646
>I heard you'd all become waifuhounds like /tesg/
not really

>>187409104
>So what you're saying is that the aesthetics and surface level details are the most important of a faction?
No, in fact I am saying the opposite.

You are the one arguing for surface level details.

>>187409175
https://www.rollingstone.com/glixel/interviews/skyrim-creator-todd-howard-talks-switch-vr-and-elder-scrolls-wait-w451761

>The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim, the studio's previous game, may have been an even bigger hit, selling 30 million copies in the five years since its release.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2017/03/30/the-witcher-series-sales-pass-25-million
>The Witcher, The Witcher 2: Assassins of Kings, and The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt have collectively sold over 25 million copies, according to CD Projekt.

Witcher, as a series, is 5million + copies behind Skyrim alone

>>187409187

So you do admit Fallout 2 didn't have a radio?

And citing yourself

>Chris Avellone actually tried several times to make most of the game not canon because he was so ashamed over just how stupid it was.

Chris Avellone admits Fallout was never meant to be so stupid.

Bethesda evidently didn't get the memo.

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>>187408646
>now tell me straight, /fog/. Is that true?
Very! We posts waifus all the time. Just look around the thread and bathe in qts.

>>187409443
>Bethesda evidently didn't get the memo.
Funny you say this because Bethesda took most of Chris's ideas on how to fuck the series from the Fallout Bible, and used them in Fallout 3/4.

>>187409436
Yet Skyrim was the fifth game in the series.
Tell me, if i combined Arena/Daggerfall and Morrowind,how far would that go?
Witcher accomplished in 8 years what Bethesda did in 12 if you count Oblivion.

>>187409443
What memo? Bethesda can do what they want with their own IP.

Continue to sperg out about it on 4channel though, you'll change the world eventually.

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>>187409635
and he got so mad after that he decided the whole thing was non-canon

>>187409297

No, I'm calling you stupid because you honestly believe (with no proof at all other than "Obsidian made this comment about the game's design") Obsidian could have made an isometric Fallout game, instance.

Because if Obsidian literally said "it couldn't be a prequel", then the game could have been ANYTHING else. And no, it simply couldn't have based on logic. And if it was going to re-use the engine and assets of Fallout 3, why the hell would Bethesda tell them "you can drop the radio if you want"?

Also

>>187409635

Except Chris Avellone =/= Fallout. That would be Tim Cain, the man responsible for Fallout.

Else I may as well say "Bethesda is the company responsible for Fallout", considering they are literally no different than MCA was.

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>>187409792
>how dare you call Bethesda stupid
>they have IP rights to be retarded

>>187409757
>Yet Skyrim was the fifth game in the series.
And no one in the modern gaming era even knows or cares about Arena or Daggerfall because Bethesda rebooted the whole fucking series with Morrowind.

Elder Scrolls popularity really only exists because of three games, Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim.

>Witcher accomplished in 8 years what Bethesda did in 12 if you count Oblivion.
You seem to be confused. That would be true if Witcher 3 alone had sold 25 million copies, meaning it matched the same success as Skyrim did alone, in a much smaller time, but it didn't.

>>187410012
You can call them stupid all you want but yes, they do have IP rights to be retarded.

>>187409838
Actually, he declared the whole thing non-canon before Bethesda even revealed their version of Fallout 3.

The reason for it was because he didn't feel like Bethesda should feel like they were obligated to follow it.

You really don't seem to have your timeline in order there.

>>187407603
Compare the Kings to the Atom Cats and you'll see where the Kings went wrong.
They were added because you can't go to Vegas without meeting an Elvis impersonator, not because they fit into a post-apocalyptic world.

>>187410101
And we have rights to make fun of them because they are retarded.

>>187409497
>purple hair
Kill yourself.

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The Witcher vs TES comparison is also retarded because

>different type of games
>one has a long track record, the other didn't
>literally a Pole game based on a Pole series of novels

And Bethesda isn't just "TES", starting with Fallout it also became "TES+Fallout". I doubt people buy The Witcher solely because of GOG, considering how the game plays has nothing to do with what distribution platforms the company owns. Whereas those who have played Fallout 3 knew what to expect from Skyrim.

And The Witcher has much better writing.

>>187410184
Okay? I don't know why you think I'm telling you otherwise.

>>187410183
>They were added because you can't go to Vegas without meeting an Elvis impersonator,

Did you actually read my post or what. I literally say that the reason the kings are the way they are is because of

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>>187408646
>Is that true?
maybe

>>187410214
>Witcher has much better writing
Bullshit Fallout 4 is superior.

Reminder there is nothing wrong with Fallout 4 and mods are going to be amazing. Also Poles were genocidal fucks to my ancestors so fuck em.

>>187410214
>And The Witcher has much better writing.
Witcher(the games) had such terrible writing the author of the books basically disowned them.

Witcher fucked up game one by giving Geralt amnesia, which would have been the perfect excuse to basically start over so that people who had no idea about the books, aka, basically everyone since the books weren't translated at that point, could jump in without being confused about the setting or character, but then immediately fucked it up by having the first NPCs you meet be people Geralt knew before, resulting in nearly three games worth of
>PERSON X: HEY GERALT REMEMBER ME!
>Geralt: Nope, amnesia.

The entire Witcher series is basically one giant version of that infamous Metroid commercial with the "remember me" guy

>>187410183

>They were added because you can't go to Vegas without meeting an Elvis impersonator, not because they fit into a post-apocalyptic world.

How the hell do the Atom Cats even fit into a post-apocalyptic world?

Jesus Christ, hear yourself, anon. The Atom Cats are literally a greaser gang for no reason other than "it reminds the player of the 50s".

If anything, The Kings make A LOT of sense since Elvis imagery would be everywhere around Vegas.

>>187410579

>Witcher(the games) had such terrible writing the author of the books basically disowned them.

That is not what happened. At all. Sapkowski was even perfectly okay with Geralt's amnesia, because he felt it allowed CD Projekt RED to tell their own stories.

He didn't "disown" anything, he thinks videogames are a waste of time and he's butthurt he sold the rights to CD Projekt for a handful of coins.

Even those who have played the games and read the books agree the books are shit.

>>187409757
Timeframe is irrelevant. Both companies were making games when games were considered 'gay'. You're also an idiot if you don't realise that Witcher 3 only sold well off the back of Skyrim and the current fantasy craze that Game of Thrones sparked.

>>187410792
>because he felt it allowed CD Projekt RED to tell their own stories.
But the problem was that they didn't, they instead tried to cling onto a bunch of books the vast majority of the gaming audience had never read, and had no access too, making the world have no real meaning to the person who played it, since they hadn o real context behind anything.

This isn't even getting into how badly they fucked up Triss in that they gave her an entirely different personality every single game, to the point they could have said they were actually just triplets fucking with you.

And the fact that the script writers seemed to have gotten Ves and Roches scripts mixed up at some point, since they for unexplained reasons start acting like the other did in the previous game.

>>187407603
>That even the fucking Legion, who's entire existence is based around a leader who used Roman history as direct inspiration to shape a tribal identity still does not have a correct grasp on Roman history itself due to the passage of time and the context of the Wasteland.
But that's wrong, Caesar deliberately keeps his people in the dark because it's a tool. He has the knowledge being a former Follower but is simply using what he need to reach his goal.

>>187411062

>making the world have no real meaning to the person who played it, since they hadn o real context behind anything.

Isn't this... Morrowind, you are describing? NPCs constantly talk to you about stuff you simply do not know if it's your first time playing. The Witcher (1) also had plenty of books to get you acquaintanced with stuff.

It can be argued that Geralt simply didn't need that, but then the game wouldn't have been as interesting...

Regarding the personality of NPCs: I'm talking about the games themselves as separate entities. The Witcher itself sends you on a huge quest to find out about the Salamandra, a quest that I suspect would have been much, much shorter in a game like Fallout 4 or Skyrim, with little to no investigation involved.

>>187411469
>Isn't this... Morrowind, you are describing? NPCs constantly talk to you about stuff you simply do not know if it's your first time playing.
No, because Morrowind always frames it in the context of your some outlander who wouldn't have any real knowledge of their superior Vvardenfell culture.

>The Witcher itself sends you on a huge quest to find out about the Salamandra, a quest that I suspect would have been much, much shorter in a game like Fallout 4 or Skyrim, with little to no investigation involved.
Na, Witcher games ivnestigatiosn are veen more "follow the arrow" then Fallout 4 or Skyrim are.

Witcher 3 in particular was bad about this with most everything being
>activate detcti--- Witcher vision and follow the red trail.

>>187411469
Your opinions are as irrelevant as your waifu.

GTFO

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Fitz and Lupe of the Grub 'n' Gulp perished after being caught in a crossfire between the forces of Caesar and the Courier.

From the distance, a tall smoke column marked their burning bodies, atop the campfire which had been used so often for cooking their Brahmin herd. The Courier left their bodies to turn to ash, being carried away by the wind across the breadth of the Mojave which had claimed their lives.

The Grub 'n' Gulp rest stop was no more.

>>187412339
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>>187411987

>No, because Morrowind always frames it in the context of your some outlander who wouldn't have any real knowledge of their superior Vvardenfell culture.

I'm not just talking "Vvardenfell" culture, I'm just talking all of Morrowind, including its history.

Hell, I'm talking any RPG where you don't play a set protagonist that has their own lines.

>Na, Witcher games ivnestigatiosn are veen more "follow the arrow" then Fallout 4 or Skyrim are.

This was definitely not my experience. It required a lot of digging for information as opposed to Skyrim's "go straight for the objective".

Would Wolfenstein TNO and TNC weaponry make sense in fallout Universe?

>>187412492
> I'm just talking all of Morrowind, including its history.
Yes, and every TES game treats you as an outsider to that province, even if your a Dunmer in Morrowind.

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Well this thread looks like it was fun, sad I missed the party

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>>187414161

>>187412676
Sure. Just lore it up as scavvies finding blueprints in some old military base and selling it to people like Arturo who actually make guns.

Too bad there's no Gun Runners equivalent on the east coast.

>>187414354

there isnt a "gun runners" mod being made ATM?

>>187414429
Waiting for jew store to kick in

>>187410468
>nothing wrong with fallout 4
heh...
>mods are going to be amazing
rofl those rejects cant even get the script extender running with all the faculties the 32bit version on skyrim has and you're telling me fallout 4 modding will be good?

>>187415094
Bethesda isn't communicating with the SE team anymore so of course it won't be as good. It's why SSE doesn't have SE function yet.

>>187416556

because probably SSE will be on CClub

>>187416935
This man gets it, why help someone do make something that you can do "yourself" and charge people for it.

>>187417259

because who needs a Script Extender if you will receive the true SRC to dabble with it

>>187416935
Maybe they can make something that actually requires SSE that isn't either a garbage sex mod, or just garbage.

>>187380090
>>187381007
Thanks for the info, fellas.

Be a good neighbor and tell someone that Cait is an uggo and a shit. A shit!

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>>187414161
neato

>>187374554
Unironically serious question to the /fog/gy masses, why are average and bad looking characters a bad thing?

Aren't they supposed to be more powerful than some super cute and super beautiful things instead?

Power is raw, it has never been beautiful or fabulous, or even magnificent, it's utterly disgusting.

>>187420997
>why are average and bad looking characters a bad thing?
They aren't if they're done right.

They rarely are though.

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>>187420997

I'm more offended you decided to ask "why are average and bad looking characters a bad thing" as opposed to "why does everyone call her ugly?".

Elizabeth is PRETTY H O T.

>>187420997
Appearance has nothing to do with power, what the fuck are you even talking about?

>>187420997
Please don't try to meme about your waifu being good. You can do the whole non-standard beauty thing and still make a decent character. She just looks like the postergirl for fetal alcohol syndrome.