/tekgen/ - Tekken General

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>2 threads

sasuga lucifer

>>184263467
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how hard is it to make a thread

No one reply to Lucifer this time

Its because you're missing half of the OP you brainless fuck.

Wow

Why are you not playing Feng Wei? What the fuck anon. He's one billion fun

>>184263467
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I guess it's better than nothing...

dtn looks like free money jeeze

>running out of slots for asuka costumes
>3 of them are gyaru versions

What do /tekgen/?

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POST CUSTOMS

>>184264287
>waifu trash
Pathetic, really.

>>184264287
Brown tiddies

Objectively speaking which Tekken 7 female is the most genetically suitable for bearing strong sons?

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>boot up yesterday
>josie
>paul
>paul
>boot up today
>paul
>josie
>paul

Losing sucks but losing to the same shit despite fighting 6 different humans makes me want to smash my desk

please no more
please

>>184264076
>>184263661
I forgot to copy it from a text file and not directly from the OP

Sorry

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>>184264287

>literally no one plays kazuya in tournament ever except kodee, not even koreans

why tho...you see heihachi all the time

>>184264158
play the game

>>184264387
>he's still losing to a random josies
Just low parry their predictable lows and stop giving them CH.

>>184264381
nina has a proven track record

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Xu5ppr7u-4

>>184264449
Oh look, it's Abigail

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>>184264449

Any EU PS4 players wanna play?

>>184264381
Master Raven if you're black, Nina if you're white and Asuka if you're asian.

>>184264528
no you misunderstand
I'm not like you people i'm a whole other level of shit
blues, greens I lose to anyone, anywhere, any game
i am the worst player in this general SEE ME IN A LOBBY BITCH I WILL 0-3 ANYONE (me with the 0)

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>>184264287

>>184264654
I can't now but tommorow I can, i'm not very good though

Is your PSN Clix?

>>184264449
oh god the wheels+gunarm attachment is too op makes me unable to break grabs on reaction.

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Cross-posting here, since I know the Discord is going to spam this thread to keep it on the front page:

>Thread War bullshit
So much for the "just post make posts without your trip and no one would care" claims.

Well, thanks for proving my point, I guess.

All you did was prove my point that there is no reason for me to post without my trip because you're just going to shit post and pitch a bitch no matter what I do.

Everything past this is on you.

>>184264449
hate jack customs, u can't see shit he does

>>184264381
Kazumi has the strongest son in the world

>>184264858
How the fuck are you still not out of blue?

>>184264858
You mad? Fucking cry baby

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MainMan's last video seriously makes me want to play Gigas. Send help.

>>184265070
So play some Gigas.

>>184264449
no rematch.

>>184265070
you bought tekken you can play whatever character you want you want to at any time

>>184265070
But the Koreans say he's bad, anon :^)

>>184265070
Why does he wear the mask?

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*wall carries you*

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>>184264287

>>184265351
I wouldn't mind her carrying me to the wall...

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What's the lewdest costume combination possible in the game?

>>184265351
Her german voice is fucking retarded. Bring back her cute english one. Lili's too. Fucking Harada retard.

>>184265330
He is, after all, a big guy.

>>184265526
shirtless King in wrestler shorts

>>184265570
Lili's new voice is cute.

>>184264745
No worries, we can play like a FT3 and I'll give you some pointers

iTRLCKSTER

>>184264729

Hey, that's pretty good.

>>184265070
I'll take this opportunity to ask
How do I play this big guy? Memes aside, can he really be used against actually good players without requiring absurd amounts of skill?

>>184265757
It is decent, but English was was tons better, even that I hate that bitch.

>>184264945
While I won't comment on what my rank is, you can't rank up while playing quick player matches, which is what I play.

>>184265032
Last thread when people were saying I would not get any shit if I removed my trip, I was making the point that people would shit post at regardless. The thread war shit made my point for me. Why would I be mad about you proving me right?

>>184265947
Everyone hates you sweetie, not the trip.

>>184264858
>Crying cuz his thread died

no shit, you literally gave away your identity by posting your shitty webms that anyone else would be embarrassed to post

any fuckwad wouldve figured out who was posting

>>184265570
It's pretty terrible. The worst thing is that the german voice uses male pronounce.

>stir up a bunch of shit
>remove trip and make a god awful OP
>people hate you and post in a real thread
How clueless can one be?

>>184265783
Alright, ill add you tommorow

>>184265947
don't talk to me

Would any of you guys in silver/blue/green watch me stream my way to yellow? I'm gonna get back from vacation in ~3 weeks so it'll be by then

Can we stop shitposting this thread to death and actually talk about Tekken please?

Any more EU/PS4?

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Stop replying to him, just filter and ignore

>>184266363

Ok, show me a webm of your best combo friend.

Who is the most honest character?

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Been practicing Eliza shit for 10 hours now, mostly drilling special cancels over and over in and out of combos.

Question though: for gamepad users, do you use the dpad or analog for Tekken?

>>184266458
Mine

>>184266458
Kazuya

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>>184264287

>>184266463
dpad

>>184266636
Fucking awful

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>>184266514
>>184266623
both correct answers

>>184266458
I've heard no one in here complain about Feng so far

>>184266724
Yeah, not totally happy with it myself.

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>>184266363
Sure thing.

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>Enjoy watching cross-region matches to compare playstyles?

In your opinion, who are the 5 best players of Europe, America, Japan, Korean, the rest of Asia?

I like observing how the general playstyle and gameplan of players changes depending on the region in which they play in?

Also I'm just interested on who you guys think the best players in their respective regions are.

>>184266867
Here's one. He's a Faggot and way too easy.

>>184266867
i dont like his hair

being a new player is it just because im new or is there a way i can make the joystick on my pad more sensitive so i can dash better, because its fucking me over a bit as im trying to learn.

>>184266463
dpad
I hope you're not using a 360 controller

>>184264945
You only fight dans, blues, and greens. It's obvious you're blue. If you want real competition in quick matches rank up.

>>184266867
his eyebrows look stupid!!!!

>>184266867
Nigger, he's cheapest and most annoying character to fight against.
>Constant pokespam that leads to CH juggles
>Some bullshit unseeable lows that has tremendous amount of + frames
>Borderline seeable low sweeps
>Frametraps out of the ass
>Guaranteed followups for 50% of HP
Fuck this nigger, I would gas all the Fend players if I had the chance.

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>>184266962
>>184267046
>>184267127
wow rude

>>184266867
because there is nothing wrong with him

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>>184267127
shut up

>>184267108
I will play ranked matches when they fix the ranking system.

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>>184264287

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>>184264287
does lili play better if you take off her shoes?

>>184266962
>>184267197
>feng
>easy
Execution yes. The rest no.

>>184267386
you need to ask uui23, he's the lili expert

>>184267318
Everyone else is in an appropriate rank. Don't bother replying to me.

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>>184264287

>>184267097
No, DS4. I did use it for a day or two at first though. It was genuinely horrible.

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Reminder that if you play any of the following characters, you're a braindead moron.

Akuma
Alisa
Asuka
Bob
Bryan
Claudio
Devil Jin
Dragunov
Eddy
Eliza
Feng
Gigas
Heihachi
Hwoarang
Jack-7
Jin
Katarina
Kazumi
Kazuya
Kuma
Lars
Law
Lee Chaolan
Violet
Leo
Lili
Lucky Chloe
Master Raven
Miguel
Nina Williams
Panda
Paul
Shaheen
Steve
Violet
Xiaoyu
Yoshimitsu

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>>184267542
Clever

>>184267197
He doesn't have any ch launchers
Db3 is +4 on hit and launch punishable
D2 is +3
1+4 is +6 and also launch punishable
His ss4 is very good I'll give u that but u need a clean hit, also it's launch punishable on block. His db4 is seeable as hell, also launch punishable.
He doesn't have many frame traps at all.
Guaranteed follow-up for 50%. Lol. Come on now.

I don't even main Feng and I think he's alright. Fun to fight as well.

>>184267432
What is hard about him? Unseeable lows from half of the screen? Constant pokefest? Bullshit setups with qcf1+2? 20 frame low sweeps that leads to juggle? Fuck off, retard.

>>184267689
im glad king is in the clear

>>184267828
t. blue rank

>>184267782
His CD1 is a CH launcher actually

>>184267689
Good shit. But honestly, if you have braindamage, you can still play Kazuya, Paul, Ling, Katarina, Hwo at decent level. And even if you're in coma, you'll be red ranks with Josie in no time. This character is epitome of Tekken 7 bullshit.

>>184267828
I am a feng player
what are setups I do with qcf1+2

>>184267782
Any character which playstyle is based on pokespam is not fun. Especially online.

>>184268070
Yeah but he's not ch heavy. Compare to Bryan who has so many launchers on ch. Bryan is someone u can definitely """"complain"""" about if you're getting counterhit. Even tho it's your fault to get ch.

>>184267524
Congrats, but that has nothing to do with what I was talking about. Take your own advice and don't bother replying to me since you're too stupid to comprehend the subject anyway.

>>184268312
>pokespam
>spam
You can go anytime

>>184267782
he has 10f b+1 and in t7 being 0 is a counter hit. his frame traps are good. just because they're not all launching doesn't mean they're bad. CH b+1, shoulder does like 75% of a normal combo damage.

>>184268312
>whose
>>184268024
Usurper is in red color.
>>184268230
It's +6. You can literally do ANY move afterwards.

>>184268312
Poke spam is strange. I mean sure Feng has the best poking in the game but it's all about making 1 read on him and he losing 50% life. For example high crush, low crush, block a low, he does df1 then does a 10f or higher move with no crush properties u can ch jab string him especially if you have a good one like Bryan's, drag's etc.

BT is also scary but one read on that he's done for (duck sweep and throw)

Poke spam is fengs best game. He has 0 on block df1, b1 for interruption, b4 for stepping, uf2 to evade, ss mix-up that both launch, BT mixups, stance mix-ups with built in auto parry, d2 for instant high crush and good on hit/ch, df3 to close space, back swing blow, cd to close space and cd mix-ups.

That's literally his character and what he's designed around. It's like complaining you got punished by kazuya or memed by Yoshi.

>>184266956
Hahahah we don't talk about tekken here!
we just shitpost and reply to lucifer

>>184268571
>usurper is in red
?????
usurper is the last yellow rank you dumb fuck

>someone playing Lars

>>184268571
Who do you play

>>184268571
Usurper is yellow.

>it's a 20 win green rank Hwoarang with a flawless winstreak episode
New patch was a mistake

>>184268571
>whom

>>184269002
>>184269070
I have no idea, nor I do care about classification. The logo is mostly red, so I say it's "red in color". It wasn't the main point anyway.
>>184269014
Youshimitsu and Leo.

>>184269159
>whom'st've

I'm really liking the character variety in this tournament

>>184269159
Whomst

>>184269714
What are you on about?

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>>184267689
>is a braindead josie fag who's more unga than 80% of those characters
>thinks his opinions matter

>>184268372
shit guys i think made him mad loooooool

>>184269937
it's clearly a joke you sperg

Anyone here play Tekken pachinko?

>>184269714
well, there are no world class level players here besides fighting gm.

>>184266956

Europe: Kane&Trench, Malekith, Real Menace, Sephiblack and Caiper.

USA: Jimmy J Tran/Mr. Naps, Speedkicks, Anakin, and the last two would be up for debate, since Inkog doesn't live in the US anymore apparently.

Japan: Take, Yuu, Nobi, Furumizu and Pekos

Korea: Saint, Knee, JDCR, LowHigh and GoAttack

wat r u guyses favorite levers and why

I miss Tekken Crash. That shit was dopest shit ever.

>>184270378

Mastercup is way more exciting imo, but yeah Crash is still the shit

>>184270157
is devil not playing t7 or something?

i think you can safely add p ling to america's best. taisei is one of japan's best.

do you guys have a lobby or tourney up on pc atm?

Has anyone made it to top 8 with gigas in any live tourney?
I'm convinced he's not capable of it.

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>>184270370
I like this lever because it's shiny

>beat random guy
>check steam profile
>hes in some /tekgen/ group

heheh he will never know I also come here

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>tfw end match with lili`s RD
>smugbitchface.jpg

>>184270157
I think Devil and maybe Harry Potter deserve a spot in Europe's best

Also where the fuck did Inkog go?

>>184269486
>plays leo
>bitches about feng
Lmao

Sometimes I wonder what Tekken would feel like with Soul Calibur movement.

>>184271537
Infinitely better.

>>184271697
Lmao you dont even play this game. Piss off

>>184271537
how does soul calibur's work? can you cancel every movement into every other movement? i'm guessing you can with twitch guarding?

>>184271537

Tekken's movement is more fluid, if you know how to move properly

/tekgen/, answer me this, since you know more than I. Why is Lucky Chloe considered bottom tier?

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>>184271759
What? How can people be getting butthurt about me hiding my rank if I don't even play the game?

>>184271959
You dont play this game.

>>184271946
Because she's a cocksleeve
So naturally, she's a bottom.

>>184271959
Nice stolen footage lmao

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>>184270868
I love Lili!

>>184271946
a lot of stuff is just very punishable. a lot of strings are either interruptable for float combos, can be low parried on block, ducked under/doesn't jail, or are just severely punishable on block. she's also pretty linear.

>>184270817
yes I mean the lever that is inside of your arcade stick though but that one looks nice

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I SWEAR TO GOD IF I HAVE TO FIGHT ONE MORE HWOARANG

>>184271959
This webm was weeks ago dude. Kill yaself

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>>184272368
>mfw I never skip his intro because I know it makes you seethe with rage

Hey guise wut general do you hang out in without playomg the game?
For me its this one and bbg!

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>>184272368
He is fun to play against though.

>>184272394
And? No reason to throw it out when it is still useable. I gave you a fresh one made today to add in a little spice. Don't get greedy.

>>184272491
kek

>>184272451

YOU SMUG KOREAN FUCK YOU'RE GOING DOWN

>>184272610
*sits on you*

Lucky Chloe is super confusing

>>184270479
Isn't Mastercup just bunch of people playing? Crash had stage, girls, teams, teamnames, music, crowd, cameras.

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>>184272658

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>>184272560
>fresh webm
>still playing against blue shitters

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Someone gimmie some fuckin Asuka Okizeme options/setups

Do the taiko drums hit effect not make sounds anymore?

>>184272491
Now that's funny

>>184272976
yeah, master cup is grassroots international 5v5 tournament. so much crazy shit happens, it's amazing. it was actually the best tekken-related thing ever during tag 2 era. the matches and results were always ridiculous.

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>>184273189
The fresh one is here:>>184263789.

>>184272368
Bad Hworangs love to go high.

>>184272560
I'm only grandmaster and I play yellows in player match. You must be total trash haha

>>184273197

Thank fucking god

>>184273195
Ask Lucifer.
>>184273268
During T6 the gameplay was always more dynamic and fun at MC tournaments. Japanese surely didn't play Tekken by pokes and backdash, but Tekken Crash was great as a show.

>>184273197
Yes?

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>yfw you will never autistic enough to tripfag and talk to yourself all day while lying about being good at tekken on an anonymous message board

>>184273195
>>184273639
I like unblockable.

>>184235914

i'm not kidding it's a better movie

>>184235793

The Raid 2 is just as good as the first one definitely check it out.

>>184273195
>>184273639
>>184274210
Why are you having a conversation with yourself?

Apparently its the accessory not the hit effect

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>>184274210
Yawn.

Can I get some input from an actual half decent player instead?

>>184274430
what the fuck

>>184270868
is that 2hu

>>184274471
just watch dimeback. he's literally the only good asuka player in the world.

>>184270868
yer a wizard, harry

>>184274450
does he actually take off his trip to talk to himself
I think he is trolling now

How many characters have google docs guides written up for them?
The ones that are available are nice, but there don't seem to be many of them.

what does NCC mean?

>>184264282
Yeah I know Im just frustrated because Ive been feeling some serious progress and tilted because of the loss streak.

>>184274471
>He thinks good players don't use the unblockable tech trap/ d/f+3 option.

>>184274942
It's time to stop

>>184271895
But moving properly is a pain in the ass.

And Soul Calibur is just fluid to begin with.

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>Your previous battle was not completed properly
>Get demoted even though I finished the entire match


WHAT THE FUCK!!!!!

>>184275127
Side Steps are a lot more useful in SC too.

>>184275270
What did I just say?

>>184274885
Natural Counterhit Combo

If the first hit of the string lands as a counterhit, the following hits are guaranteed.

What is an easy katarina frame trap

are you able to buffer forward dash during recovery frames?

>>184274942
>He thinks he's a good player

sorry if i hurt your feelings

>>184275391
Yes, but you need to make sure that the second forward input is not buffered

>>184275391
yes

>>184275096
>>184275328
You know, I'm getting real tired of your shit, stop pretending to be me.
I've been harassed enough today, can't you give me a break?

>>184271537
As far as 3D movement goes it's pretty much Soul Calibur > Tekken > VF.

>>184275615
what's so good about the movement?

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>have a good set with somebody on PS4
>want to send them a gg message with some nice words on the side
>"message could not be sent due to this person's settings"

well okay then.

>>184275340
A blocked 1,1,2 into d/f+4. If they press anything they get CH.

A blocked d/f+2,4 into standing 4 isn't a true frame trap since it trades with jabs, but is very good at the wall, because even if it trades with jab, you get a CH into wallhit for a wall combo.
This setup might lose to dickjab, I haven't tested it

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>>184275479
>>184275491
awesome thanks, now lets see if i can do this yoshi string

PS4 NA Tekken anyone?

>>184275702
It's fast and it makes immediate sense. If you press up you move into the background. If you press down you move into the foreground. Jumps and crouching are done by pressing guard + up and guard + down. There is inherent diagonal movement built into the engine. Walking forward and backward is fairly fast and allows for a player to play footsies.

Plus SC uses the same blocking system where crouching = low block/high-dodge but mid vulnerable and normal block = high-block/mid-block but low vulnerable.

>>184275504
no

>>184275771
Someone sent me a GG message by including it in a Friend's Request today.

I think most people blocked regular messages because of the stupid spam group message shit.

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Lucifer may ruin the thread but anons that reply to him are just as bad

>>184276073
well you are pretty much indirectly replying to him because mentioning him is giving him just as much attention. I think one of our fellow hacker anons should trace his address and find out what he looks like, that's the only way to get rid of an autist of this capacity I'm afraid.

>>184276073
I don't ruin any threads. All I do is post like anyone else here and I get hate and it's really beginning to upset me

>>184275963
Maybe if you pick an honorable character, you wouldn't get message spammed.

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____________________________________________________________________________KA____________________________________________________________________________

Does Gigas teach fundamentals well?
Is he honest?

>>184275932
so it's just easier and more intuitive? i can get behind that. i find tekken's more fluid and fun to use, though, but that's because i always started with tekken and non-guard button 3D games.

>>184276302
I do play an honorable character. I just told you I got a GG. I am talking about why most people on PSN have messages blocked.

>>184276456
I can understand the appeal behind Tekken, my main issue is KBD and that sidesteps just feel horribly clunky sometimes, which is why I put it second before VF.

IMO VF is the worst of both worlds.

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why is it always Law players

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>>184276334
KA!

>>184273195
Watch Fergus videos on youtube. He has a couple of nasty setups.

There's the unblockable which will always connect if they get up and one you can cancel out of

Then there's this really weird counterhit tackle unblockable that I don't understand.

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still cant find the right frame fuck ahhhhhhhhhhh

>>184276554
i think backdash and sidestep are slightly more sluggish in tekken 7, which might be a reason why it feels clunky right now (assuming you haven't played tag 2 or 5dr extensively).

vf's movement system is like that by design, i think. i feel it's very nice in terms of responsiveness and rigidity because those are extremely important to the entire feel of the game and tie in to the rest of the system mechanics, which is basically a pure focus on fast-paced range 0 combat.

>>184276452
Yes. No tricks just honesty

I'll try that 1,1,2 thanks

Need to teach faggots to not press buttons at me cause I can't block

>>184277074
It's completely based on your opinion. I never liked VF's focus on range-0 combat, no matter how well animated it may be, and even though I hate KBD, the fact that it's in Tekken allows for footsies in the game.

I'm just a nostalgiafag for Soul Calibur. A game that's dead as fuck.

>>184276761
it's one of tekken's secret moves that you figure out through the joy of discovery!

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How do you guys go about learning a new character?

What are some of the things you do?

Do you write notes?

Do you just freestyle it and hop straight online?

Want to pick up a few characters in the next couple weeks but am unsure about the best way to go about doing it

>>184276452
Gigas is what Tekken is all about

>>184277804
that's fine. the cool thing was that each 3D game was a very different game. it sucks that there is no soul calibur or vf (at least doa is still kind of alive-ish) to entertain different competitive crowds. i loved playing all of them, because they all had really interesting concepts/mechanics/characters and gameplay to offer.

>>184278201
In what way?

>>184278096
I go through the move list twice then go straight to player match.
Rinse and repeat a few times then hit ranked

>>184275832
Thanks. I need frame traps cause I can't block haha

>>184278096
I usually go in practice and cycle through the move list and the frame data. Then I check the top 15 moves link in the OP and get familiar with them. Then I usually hop online and figure things out through experience

>>184278096

i check out the top 15 moves and staple combos and get myself acquainted before going online and seeing how they feel in a real match

if i have fun even if i lose i stick with them

>>184278096

I always do these things in order: Combos, Punishers, Top 10 moves, Framedata

>>184278330
The way I see it Japanese peolpe can't handle 3D games (there are reports that Japanese people couldn't play Super Mario Galaxy 2 because it was 3D and not 2D), Americans have always cared more about single-player content, and that leaves the Koreans as the major market for 3D fighting games. Koreans love execution, and both VF and SC got rid of KBD in their most recent versions. VF because it didn't want footsies in the game and SC because they already had swift movement. Which made the Koreans angry and now there's no VF or SC anymore.

>>184278457
How can you possibly remember ~70 moves from having done it one or two times? Its like saying every word in the mandarin language once or twice but never understanding the meaning

>>184278096
i learn best by studying, so i look up frame data, top level player matches (for combos and good moves to use), and boot up training mode to put it all together. rinse and repeat the next few days, while also brushing up on my main's stuff or regular training mode stuff (dealing with strings/certain situations). then try them out at locals that week.

>>184278096
Go through entire move list
Go through frame data of every move and string and determine what's good and what isn't
Take notes of any crushing properties, stance changes transition, plus frames or anything useful about a certain move or string
Look up BnB combos
Look up high level play of said character
Take online

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>>184278096
Honestly, the way that you find most fun. It's going to be a grind, so if you have fun it makes it less of a chore. But one thing is for sure, you're going have to hit the lab at some point or another.

>>184278692
I don't remember them all but I can remember a lot. Then once I'm comfortable with a chunk of moves I go back and commit to learning another 10-15

>>184278096
Practice mode treasure battle back to practice and repeat.

Once I hit max level against the AI, I start playing online after practice.

This fucking matchmaking system even blocks character + rank in player match? Fuck off. If I get a king or hwaorang I'm alt tabbing to my second monitor. Eat a dick faggots

>>184278692
>>184279016
I should also add this is not my first tekken

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>>184278096
I go through the movelist for a few hours. I try to look at the move and try to find out what the move is good for. I also look at the combos pretty early too see if they suit me. Then watch some koreans and hop into player matches.

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>>184279167
(you)

>>184279030
Lol

>>184278096
Watch kingjae or some yt vids for a crash course on the best moves and strings
Then treasure battle to practice juggles and situational set-ups then online time

>>184279349
>kingjae
bruv...

>>184278439
Pure Tekken

>>184276278
i'm pretty sure it started of you clips exposing people of a certian rank while at the same time hiding your own rank, people don't hate bad players, people hate bad players who think they are good players and try to expose "bad" players while being just as bad. the minute you hide your rank while exposing someone elses it basically shouts "don't trust my rank i'm wayyy better than others in my bracket" but if that was the case.... you would be a high rank.

also that asuka custom is super fucking weeb

>>184279349
>kingjae
oh my days!

>>184276278
>Still not understand why people don't like him

You realize that people were able to tell that they didn't like you even when you took off your trip right? Faggot.

>>184279454
>>184279524
Aside from his memeing
I do find his begginer character guide helpful if im picking up a new character because im a lazy bum who has no time to figure out things by myself

>>184278635
i think japan also just doesn't care about medieval setting stuff unless it's blatantly super anime in art style like fire emblem. and japanese game companies pretty much give large preference to their domestic demographic and shit.

koreans just love doing hard shit, which is why they loved and still love kof, and why they played lots of ggxx, but not so much xrd. koreans don't really get angry, they just drop stuff on a dime or go back to what they find fun. they don't even bother complaining or trying to change the game, they just move on or don't accept the new thing that simply isn't as enjoyable as what they fell in love with. but even if they do list complaints and shit, japanese companies couldn't care less about their opinion because they aren't japanese. also, vf has footsies, it's just not a central part of the game; it's very dry because the mechanics don't lend to it as much.

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>get perfected first round by xiao yu
>he starts styling the second round and I lose again
>about to rage quit
>decide to man up and win 3 rounds in ago spamming my taunt laugh after every win
>he rage quits at the end
MMMMMMM

But seriously fuck xiao yu players let me dodge in player match at least...

>>184280203
Well the first few Soul Calibur games definitely focused on Asian martial arts over European ones. Soul Calibur V mainly failed because its single-player content was lacking, and while it was the first SC in a while to be competitively viable, it's lack of single-player content killed it in America I think.

Though the fact that Koreans obsess over hard execution doesn't help either. I do think Tekken caters to the Koreans because they know the Koreans are the biggest market for Tekken and if Tekken ever got rid of KBD they'd be losing a lot of sales.

>someone links framewhisperer videos
>see hour long video guides
>never had the autism to sit down for one
>decide to open up a doc and takes throughout the whole video
This shit was like taking class notes in college. Dude gives a lot of great info and it's well structured.

>Play on ps4, hardly break any throws.
>Play on PC, breaking throws consistently.

Ps4 input lag is real

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>>184278457
>>184278552
>>184278578
>>184278598
>>184278735
>>184278785
I like this. Seems like you guys know what's up. Personally, I don't often hit real matches until I have a strong idea of what I should be doing/moves i should be using because once I lose sight of my gameplan, it's over.
Man, the lab is amazing.

>>184278809
This is a gold mine. I've been doing something pretty similar and saving the notes on my phone for easy access in between games matches/before casuals.
The only difference is, I don't include combos, have a short list of top moves I should remember to use and I separate my pokes into "Range 0-1" and "Range 2 and beyond".
Do you do this for every character you play?

Shit thanks guys, I didn't expect so much help. I'm trying to download a bunch of these ideas to help me get comfortable with a character in less time

>>184279030
Not you though, this is a trash method.

>>184280659
i'm sad he doesn't get more attention compared to Jae's lazy tutorial videos

>>184280783
Works well enough for me.

>>184280512
SC5 failed because it was rushed out causing it to lack in single player content and because it tried to be SF-lite. No one wanted meter management and the like in SC.

>>184280783
>Do you do this for every character you play?
I do, also it makes it easier to switch between characters imo (acts as a quick review) and act as a reference when going against them.

>>184279030
this is why youre shit LMAOOO

>>184280741
Yeah Speedkicks was having trouble blocking debuggers on stream.

When are they going to fix this shit?

I can see so many stubs of ppl replying to lucifer jesus christ

>>184280783
yeah i (>>184278735)
always keep notes. i include a section of "notes when playing against". it's one thing to remember the char's key moves and pokes and what's punishable, but it's another to keep in mind which strings to don't jail, which strings can be stepped or low parried, what situations are common to be put in/look out for, and so on.

like, in theory you should be able to just play the character and then apply what you know about them when you play against them, but mentally reversing the situation is somewhat tricky for a long while until you get the real matchup experience.

>>184280512
a lot of people always talk about getting rid of kbd, but there's a lot of implications that yields. you mean remove the ability to block while backdashing? then the game becomes an extremely awful virtua fighter. you mean removing the ability to cancel the recovery of a backdash? then there's no way to create space if the opponent can still cancel their forward dashes. you mean get rid of the ability to cancel movements altogether? well, that's not tekken period; save that for a new franchise.

Who is the most overrated character tier list wise and why is it Bryan?

>Playing Player Match
>Streak of games that are great and have actually good players in them. Yellow and up
>Then out of nowhere hit a rough patch of games with complete memers
>Elizas, Kumas, Lings, and a Lili
>Lose those games to various gimmicks and goofy shit
>Instantly soured a good night of play for me
Something about Ling and Lili players in particular make my face twitch. And Eliza is annoying as fuck too, but then again I haven't run across many before her release.

>>184281867
Leo

>>184281867
Xiaoyu.

>>184281867
Devil jin

>>184281867
Correct. He is a character that just flails around and prays to land a random counter hit/orbital/snake edge. If his damage where any lower he would be gigas tier. He gets rushed down easily and has mediocre pressure.

>>184282204
>This is what Bryan players tell themselves

>>184282249
Go ahead braniac, let's here you refute me. I bet your a dumb ass who gets randomly snake edged/ orbital heeled.

>>184281818
You could allow a backdash to also standing block without letting people crouch cancel it.

>>184281818
Nah, I just want to make backwalk faster in general.

>>184282204
>i dont know how to sidestep, twitch duck, use b+1 or jabs or condition people whatsoever

I just unlocked the 2000 match thing.

Does it save to steam cloud?

>>184282460
He can't, you told the honest truth. Bryan is like Paul if he had a higher skill ceiling. His whole set up is dumb simple, no matter how you try to spin it. Orbital, Snake edge, or CH into 60-70% combo. Bryan being >Hard is a meme, outside of his flashy shit he's piss easy to understand.

>>184282830
yes. no eliza though

>>184282614
what about forward walk? or sidewalk? or crouch walk? what would that allow that backdash doesn't offer? just an easier alternative to create space?

>>184263913

BORING COMBOS

>>184282970
I mean create an alternative to KBD, which seems to be used primarily to create space.

A Bryan player jabs you twice. How do you respond?

>>184283087
I don't dare press any buttons

>>184283087
I check to make sure my controller is connected because that should not have happened.

>>184282763
>Use b1
*gets sidestepped*
*gets hit out of the 60 frame startup*
>Uses jabs to condition
*gets high crushed*
*turn is over because they are negative outside of one jab*
>Sidestepping
Right. A universal mechanic will save this no niche character. Give me a break.

Your not convincing me. Bryan is shit. There is a reason Mr. Naps and Take gave up on the character.

No rank and character display in player matches was a mistake. I don't want to play against orange rank eddy's when I try shit out.

>>184283584
Shit meant to say Knee instead of Mr. Naps. Although it would not surprise me if Mr. Naps gave up on this trash character.

>>184283050
that would still allow those situations up close where backdashing is the best/most consistent/safest or even only option to get out of some character's pressure, like steve's, or even just not getting locked down by blocked jab, blocked jab, blocked jab. so in any situation where you want to create space, you should backdash anyway if walking backwards doesn't solve anything.

it just doesn't seem like it would change much from how it is now? unless it's so good/fast that it replaces backdashing in most situations, and backdashing becomes an exceptional/situational defensive option.

>>184283784
The idea is that KBD is complicated so we should replace KBD with an equivalent manuever that is simpler to perform but still essentially performs the same function in game.

>>184283584
>have to take risks to get + frames
yes that is tekken.
>not sidestepping on offense with a character who has moves that literally move the opponent off-axis
you really don't understand bryan, do you?

Whats the best way to punish people for crouching against Steve? Usually I try to pressure people with his 1 or 2 strings looking for CH, but I tend to get clipped by dickjabs or high-crushes. Usually I use df1 or uf 2 if I'm really confident they're gonna try but it doesn't seem to deter people from trying that shit. Seems like most of his mid options are risky or not that rewarding.

anyone have a lobby up?
EC steam

>>184283561
>it's a asuka spams reversal player

LMAO

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>>184264287

>>184283861
if it performs the same function in all situations, then backdashing should never need to be done ever, so it just shouldn't be in the game. like, think of when you should sidestep vs sidewalk. you can use both for similar purposes but in certain situations, you have to use one over the other. i think it's hard to find that sort of balance when it comes to lateral movement because the function is purely to create or cover space.

>>184283087
Jab jab f3 has carried me more then snake edge at this point desu

>>184284096
I don't spam them, but I will keep using them until you prove to me that you can deal with them.

>>184283947
df+2 is a counter hit homing mid launcher. safe on block when you duck cancel it into crouch block as early as possible. FLK 1,f+1 is NCc. FLK 2 gives guaranteed db+2 on CH. 3,1,1 is good reward and generally just good in pressure, so try using that a bit more. 4,1,2 is a NCc string into launcher, so you can also try that. also, 4,1~f into PAB pressure is strong. PAb itself is also good to use if the opponent likes to duck a lot.

>>184283943
No I don't understand Bryan he's just a bad character with no options so you have to spam meme moves watch Knee vs Take for peak Bryan strats. Also forgot to mention low high gave up on him for shaheen. Explain why all the good Bryan's are giving up on him

when will they fix the match up thing in the queue not showing the characters
how am I supposed to dodge bryans

>It's a Ling never does anything but press buttons
>If you press a button you get launched and wall Oki'd
>If you press a button it probably gets crushed anyway because she can CRUSH FUCKING MIDS
I literally have to squeeze the bridge of my nose and eyes after every game with this annoying ass character.

>>184284557
Ah sounds good. Yeah I definitely need to incorporate PAB and FLK into my offense more. Thanks

>>184284593
never reply to me again you kyu bryan

>>184284910
Keep dodging my questions shit head. Bryan will be in C tier on the next Korean tier list.

>>184284593
lowhigh was never primarily a bryan player. he was was primarily a law player. he had to pick a partner character for tag 2, and it was bryan. he dropped law for shaheen because he plays a clean law anyway.

bryan is definitely a not a good tournament character, but he is not a bad tekken character by any means.

boy I sure do love playing the 50/50 game at the wall and losing all my health if I guess wrong :^))))))))))))))))))))))))

>>184285267
git gud

>>184285267
Just roll away bro.

>>184285267
better start guessing right :^))))))))))))))))

>>184283943
>have to take risks to get + frames
EWGF
Dragunov's fff2
Kazumi's dumb dash punch
Devil jin's slash kick out of wavedash
King's chest bump
Pretty much all 1's
Yeah idk about that pham

>>184285071
>hurr durr koreans said so.
Retard. If you aren't korean don't even tekken if that's the case.

Just played against a pretty good leo in a deathmatch. Won like 2/10. Am I right to assume this character has a lot of frame trap strings and fake pressure strings? Like I have to know which are interruptible and not?

I got my ass kicked because his movement was better, but there were a few rounds I got rekt because I pressed a button when I shouldn't have. Just curious

>>184285671
ewgf is high. can be launched.
drag fff+2 and any slash kick is steppable (drag's fff+2 less so). can be launched.
king chest bump has no range. can be backdashed and launched.
jabs are linear highs. can be stepped or ducked and launched.
kazumi's running 2 is fucking minus.

I've got a triple monitor setup with framedata/top15 moves for my characters the main game and on the 3rd one i've got my combo list I wrote down. I swear i'll get good.

>>184286094
god I gotta get a multi monitor setup

as soon as I learn a characters combos, my poking skills disappear
they're literally worse than someone who just picked up the game
then I'm just some guy who uses two or three predicable launchers and is incapable of mixing anything up
I just can't for the life of me memorize more than a certain amount of moves at a time and I've been playing since the game came out
some get deleted from my memory when I get adapted to a new play style
am I just mentally retarded or does it actually take years to get good at this damn game

>>184285671
>>184286007
can also jab people out of the slower stuff if you want to take that risk, too (jabbing out of slash kick floats for full combo, even). you can also step ewgf.

Any good Kazuya players I can watch vods of (other than Knee and TMM)?

>>184286171
I only got it yesterday. My friend just moved into a new house and the old owners left the monitors there. He passed me 2 of them and it's made so much of a difference for work since i'm a video editor.

>>184286007
None of these are as risky as a bryan B1 and you know it.

>>184286171
>>184286094
3 is overkill
2 is a lifechanger though, and not just for gaming

If you do a lot of work on the PC it's so useful dude. Invest now!

>>184285854
Side step b1 4, don't get knocked down in the corner, and you are good to go

>>184284593

Lmao. This is bullshit and you know it.

Bryan is a legit top 8 character in this game

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>>184283584
I usually sidestep when I anticipate a rushdown move from a distance

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is there any reason to use normal sidestep as steve instead of pressing 3 or 4

>>184269937
how can someone be this retarded

>>184286507
sure. but there's risk involved. given that it's mid, has good range, is an easy input, launches on CH, and is an elbow, it's pretty fucking good. just don't throw it out mindlessly all day.

>>184286817
Why can't Bryan win anything?
Why are there no Bryan players left?
Why cant you block snake edges and why does this cause you to inflate your opinion of the character?
Answer these questions right now.

>>184287085
left and right weave are completely vulnerable (cannot block). also i believe they start up slower than sidesteps, but are slightly more evasive after they start up.

>>184265814
I'm no authority, but fellow Gigas shitter here. I'm just on the cusp of green ranks (I said I was a shitter) and most of the time you can win your matches by just placing some good normals. Some of his best are his f1+2, df1, db2, and his b1 launcher is an amazing whiff punisher.

Some good setups I've found is to do headbutt (f1+2) then follow that up with either d2 on hit confirm because headbutt forces crouch on hit. If they block it, followup with a command grab (hcb+f 1+2).

Anything you're having trouble with in general? I know some decent punishes but not really specific stuff or optimized shit.

>>184287174
bryan is not a good tournament character.
naps exists. he will never drop the character, even in tournament.
snake edge is braindead easy to block.

>>184287512
Gigas refugee. this is pretty accurate

unfortunately I found that to progress past high blue/green rank you really need to be an execution god cause if you fuck up once you're getting launched

and you can't afford an execution error giving free launches

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Akuma is so much fucking fun. When is Geese coming out?

>>184285854
Who do you play?

>>184287957
Katarina. And yes, I love to press buttons

>>184287614
>Naps exists
Sure, I'd love to watch gameplay from 2015

>>184288016
I was asking because some characters can blow up b14. Kat can b2 launch it after b1, iirc.
Train yourself to do that.
On phone so don't want to type alot, but yeh she has alot of 3 or 4 hit strings.
Parry OS 12, and punish her gay 3 hit wS string. Don't remember notation. WS141?

>>184287614
>Bryans not a tournament character
Agreed. He is an ONLINE, ps4 character because he gets an unseeable low launcher that does 69 damage online. Bryan deserves his spot on the tier list if we are talking online only.

if you want to play ranked in this game do you have to learn every character first?
genuine question i'm new, and it just seems from doing player matches that people know how to dodge my moves because they must know my character, how else do you know exactly where each attack in a 4 hit combo lands

>>184288115
he was going to be at evo this year, but couldn't show up because of some personal emergency. you can also watch his koift 2016 matches.

>>184282204

Fuck no Bryan's good. Great lows, +on block moves, solid combo dmg and wall carry, boss whiff punishment, can launch at -14 etc.

>He gets rushed down easily
You literally couldn't be more wrong.

3+4 is near abuseable for keepout and also give a CH combo. His u+4 orbital is the hardest orbital to whiff punish in the game and makes people think twice about coming in on him

Bryan's a CH monster with some of the best CH launchers in the game. b+2 series is good if u arent using it like an idiot. f+3 will fuck you up (and is 0 on block for some dumb reason) and 4,3 comes out in fucking 12 frames.

If you're easily rushing down a Bryan player with no consequence, the Bryan player is doing something wrong.

>mediocre pressure.
Maybe not the best, but it's solid.
Great lows
Fair share of strings with delayable inputs, many of which have hits that launch on CH.
Good +on block moves with f+1+2 and b+1. b+1 scares opponent from pressing buttons since it give a CH launch lmao.
f,F+3* is great on preassure. Like +7 on block and tracks. You can risk interrupting it but have fun getting eating a 30+ damage wallsplat
f+3 is viable for pressure. 0 on block and CH launches in case they wanna counterpoke.
Did I mention he has good lows

It doesn't track as good as T6 but taunt is still strong as fuck on offense, regardless of if you can do taunt jet upper.

By no means is Bryan a God S+ tier character, but he's top 8 for sure.

>Why can't Bryan win anything?
Why can't Xiaoyu win anything if she's top tier? Why can't DVJ or Leo? Why couldn't SFV s1 Chun win anything?
A character can be good and still not win majors. Simply means the tournaments are stacked and/or the game is overall well balanced.

>Why are there no Bryan players left?
Naps
Sunchip
Dejavu
Super 100 all still play Bryan.
Knee never gave up on Bryan, we've seen his Bryan win big matches for him in the last 2 tourneys he entered.