/svg/ - Shadowverse General

No nerfs today. Everything is ruse.

FUSHIGI NA CHINPO

AH~ AH~ AH~

STEKI NA CHINPO

AH~ AH~ AH~

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KOUSHIN SEYO

5 PM here, still no nerfs.
I will drink to sleep tonight.

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Where are her pantsu?

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pls don't nerf

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>>184223074
Right here, anon

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LUNA!

where is the fucking announcement?fucking KMR

Fangblade or Hero of antiquity ?

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>tfw crafted 3 Alice and she is getting nerfed today

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>>184222976

>>184223074
She doesn't wear any

>>184223269
that's a lie

>>184223074
>fang
And people think she just won because of Kana.

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>>184223269
DELTE

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at least the meta won't fucking Shadowcraft again

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>>184223074

>>184223339
Today is the announcement. Nerf is on Monday.

>>184223318
They serve similar purposes, but Hero is better, especially in this meta. Fangblade will go back to being more relevant when hard removal becomes more important.

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Why all chuunis on this game use spears?

NERFS, WHEN

>>184223627
>>184223498

>>184223339
You just don't stop showing how cancerous and pathetic you are.

>>184223691
>arisa
>cancerous and pathetic
what?

>>184223437
Striped panties. Nice.

>>184223691
>he didn't craft Alices and got raped by Neutral the entire month

WHERE ARE THE NERFS!!!!!!!!

Does ETA have the potential to be nerfed?

>>184223074
she left it in my room last night

>>184224084
>nerfing a 4% playrate class when Cygames only cares about playrate

>>184223837
Keep up with that scotfree attitude.

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>Post YFW Abyss loses ambush

>>184224084
It is a very situational card, I don't see how it is gonna be nerfed.

>>184224217
Still hit you for 6/8 or 12/16

>>184223882
>not pulling x3 Spawn immediately

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>>184223339
I can't wait!

How the fuck do you beat ramp dragon besides hoping they brick? They just keep ramping and healing, it's hard to out damage the heals.

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>>184224217
I want to die squished in between those thighs

>>184224362
git gud

>>184224362
>you beat ramp dragon besides hoping they brick?
You can't. Just craft Nep because dragon will be T1 after nerfs

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>>184224360

>>184224362
Either beat them before they get to stabilize or just play haven or nep.

>>184224362
Nerf Grimnir and we will have a way to deal with it. Maybe Ouroboros too.

>>184224143
>>184224252
The nerfs are making me paranoid as fuck and I have no idea what they might actually do to fuck us over.

>>184223339
This, I didn't even use her cause I haven't played this meta HA. I won't vial her tho'

>>184224286
How could it hit for 12/16 if both its abilities are tied to Ambush? It's a literal 8pp 6/7 do nothing then.

>>184224423
who is the one on the far left?

>>184224820
erika

>>184224820
Erika, who else?

>>184224820
Lesbo maid.

>>184224362
>>184224480
https://my.mixtape.moe/zukxnx.mp4
Is this general full of B0 "Aegis pls nerf? Oh God Elana? Ramp have never been Tier 1 for a reason. Everyone shit on single follower threats. I think only Shadow and aggrobabs has ever complained about Dragon.

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>>184224820

>Not appreciating Erika

>>184224970
>13 face damage storm
>not T1

>>184224865
>>184224874
>>184224917
I actually forgot she existed

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>>184224970
>Ramp have never been Tier 1

>>184225061
i WANT TO SNIFF HER HAND AND HOLD HER BUTT!

>>184225217
>SNIFF HER HAND
Kira leave.

NERFS CONFIRMED
>Spawn
>Alice
>Tove
>Feria
>Grimnir

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>>184224970
>I beat dragon once1111
>hurr B0
>Daria
Know your place, C0 trash.

>>184223167
Fuck you, you gigantic goblin's cock lover.

NERF TOVE NERF TOVE NERF TOVE NERF TOVE

>>184225343
>400 blood wins
damn... thats a lot of skill there...

>>184224970
>Daria poster is B rank
What a twist

>>184224423
Why is Luna the only one excited hearing Grimnir's enhance line?

>>184225343
>464 blood
Really makes me think

>>184224970
so this...is the power... of runeretards

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>>184224970
>bragging about beating a dragon that doesn't know how to draw first
>"Ramp has never been Tier 1"

>>184225547
Because it's sugoi.

>>184225084
>>184225103
iirc dragon didn't stand a real chance against midrange shadow, nep and [insert aggro here], overall. Dragon tried to chemo'd Shadow but that never really worked.

>>184225467
>Is this general full of B0!
>get called out
>damage control

>>184225547
Arisa, Isabelle and Eris are embarassed.
Luna thinks it's gakkoii.
Erika is laughing her ass off.
Erika would make a great bully imo.

>>184225662
That wasn't me, but you're literally B0 if you just use the fotm cancer to climb every expansion.

>>184225629
You remember wrong, fuckwad.

Lets be honest /hsg/, enhance was a mistake. Grimnir being the most broken example.

>>184225343
>spending this much time on a game

lmao what a loser

>>184225716
>You're B0 because of b-blood wins!
Holy shit. This damage control is real.

>>184225839
Not an argument.

>>184225874
>argument
I don't even argue with you, trash. Now begone

>>184226007
you sure showed me, professional neutral blood player :^)

>>184225343
>Once
I literally farmed Shadow, Kys and Dragon in ToG. I'm not bragging just saying to stop playing like a braindead.

>>184225582
>bragging
I know reality hurts anon.

>>184224217
The ambush means nothing. I usually use him on turn 6 as a straight 8 damage to face with an evo.

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>>184223607

>>184226057
Of course.

>>184226082
>I'm not bragging just saying to stop playing like a braindead.
"Is this general full of B0 "Aegis pls nerf?"

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I actually like fighting dragon, as long as it's not storm variant.

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They're not nerfing balanced cards like sibyl and grimnir. They aren't nerfing shadow's best card either, because the class would just go back to being tier 3 like back in DE.

>>184225746
>dragon
>shadowniggers momposters mocking turn 3 do nothing
>blood thanking for the free wins
>"I couldn't get to Master if it weren't for dragoncucks"

>>184226243
Isn't that's the true? Cygames said so. There are bitching because newplayers get everything as bullshit. They aren't full exposed to the real meta.

>>184226629
why is that boy wearing a skirt

>>184226617
dumb ESLposter

>>184226807
>typo
Is there a problem if my botnet filters lewd words such as fully?

WHERE ARE THE FUCKING NERFS

>>184226367
Non-storm is still going to run Zeus and Polyroar.

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IKUZO

>>184226710
S(he) turned everyone into flame rats.

>>184227212
Nah, most thought they could just overpower me with 3 bahamut and grimnir.

>>184227303
>someone evolves Teena
>Tin Soldier is a neutral follower
Fuk

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>>184227178
Right here

>do my dailies in unranked with a shitty homebrew deck
>first opponent is neutral blood
jesus fuck off already

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>>184227303

>>184227791
Was goblin the original IKUZO?

>>184227791
SKY KNIGHTS, PREPARE FOR BATTLE!

IF THEY DON'T FUCKING NERF PHANTOM CAT I'M GONNA FUCK KILL MYSELF
MOTHERFUCKER ALWAYS HITS ME FOR 4 DAMAGE

>>184227750
How about next time you try a not-shitty homebrew decks?

>>184226396
>sibyl balance card
That card started the powercreep in ToG and is a major part of the reason why they have to powercreep it with neutralcraft.

>>184227423
>overpowering shadow
Just play Howl bro

>>184227967
>MOTHERFUCKER ALWAYS HITS ME FOR 4 DAMAGE
DISASTER

>>184227967
Stream it.

>>184226396
There's always the possibility of Nepnep making a comeback.

>>184228080
>class with only one "viable" deck
Yeah, just like aggro shadow in DE.

>>184227791
>tfw you never see this particular kind of ikuzo
It's a difficult kind of feeling

>>184227982
>this post
Now talk about how retarded someone can be.

>>184228080
>turn 8
nice one

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>>184228154
The Jew always ask for more. And when they don't get it they will remind you of the 6 million banishes.

>Played against a neutral shadow deck that used ledger as a psuedo tribunal with just lurching corpses

or he just got lucky and drew two back to back lurching corpses

>>184228341
>hurr shadownigger xdxdx
Everytime. A class having a single viable deck isn't very healthy, obviously I could say the same thing about forest and sword.

>>184227976
>netdecking in unranked
I'll pass on that.

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>Jewgames pussied out of nerfing legendaries and are now pretending they never said anything
CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP

>>184228507
That'd kill the game pretty dead.

The first month of WD has the same number of matches on shadowlog as the last month of TotG.

>>184227967
>deck is specifically crafted to have as few blood cards as possible
>it does what it was meant too
I bet you hated gobu fetching roach before nerf right?

>>184228496
Do you not know how to read?

>>184228630
>I bet you hated gobu fetching roach before nerf right?
Everyone did, what are you talking about?

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Play dreadshift

>>184228817
>turn 10
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>184228817
Cancer
KYS

>>184223309
THERE WILL BE NO NERFS
THANK YOU

>>184228817
>play regular dshift
>turn 7/8

???

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>>184228817
Maybe if Rune gets a bigger titty monster.

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>alice statline changed to 4/3
>spawn now costs 9
thank you

I hope they realize that these nerfs will make or break this game.

Whales don't play dead games.

>>184228909
>play regular dshift
>get stomped by neutralfags
wooooooooooow it was just that easy

>>184228004
But anon, it's more fun to corner a dragon and make him run out of board clear before giving him a serving of Grimnir back to back.

How the hell do you use carabosse
The only time I've seen it used effectively against me is when I'm already being shit on due to bricking hard

>>184229021
I'd actually uninstall if the Spawn change was to 9, since that would make literally no difference for bapho

184229046
:^)

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>>184227423
Yeah, overpowering the deck with a million sticky shits and RNG removal, that's gonna go well. Unless you go full saha ramp with luci and israfil and all the other healshit you're not going to be able to weather the storm of jank.

>almost 7 PM
>still no nerfs
IT WAS ALL A DREAM!

>>184228507
This company really is the lowest of the low.

>>184225129
Unintended consequences and unplanned for interactions with later cards will necessitate nerfs. With some 800 cards it's gonna happen

>>184228683
Odin is neutral. You can banish it

>>184229108
That's pretty much it.

Caraboose is just a 'win-more' card.

>>184228630
Yes, I hate the 6pp 5/5 which draws 2 cards and hits me for 4 on fanfare, fucker is overloaded to hell and back.

>>184229273
>card does 80% of player health on turn 6 every game by design
>we couldn't have predicted this!
Anon, stop peddling this meme. Cygames knew exactly what they were doing.

>>184229214
It's already the 30th in japan, there are no nerfs.

>>184228507
It probably dawned on them that if they nerf blood, it will ToG all over again, so they are thinking of either nerfing shadow or buffing other cards from different crafts.

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>>184227982
You're obsessed over something that only a pic related would be. People playing aggro also criticized Rahab and anything that attempted to stop them. Ironically and unironically. Only-know-face shitters wanted free wins not to face opponents. They'd rather DDos people than play the game.

>>184229332
I think like counters to midshadow, they expected them to be run more so it wouldn't have been as much of an issue

>>184229170
Where are her nipples!!

>>184229214
It's 1:50 AM, 30th July in Japan. There are still up to 22 hours left for the announcement.

>>184227982
Nerfing sybil woud mean the death of dragon, which would mean dragon would get another sybil tier card next expansion to get back to 50% winrate.

>>184229429
And now aggro is completely dead.

>>184229486
>not announcing the nerfs while all the nips are sleeping
I thought KMR was smarter.

>>184229486
No, they specifically said June 29th
It's over

>>184229108
You basically go face fast and kill them asap so the 1 life and the extra card is actually relevant. It's a fast aggro kys and honestly it's not top tier, but it's more fun to play than mneutrals

>>184229293
I agree 100% he is broken
But always dealing 4 is far from the reason why

>>184229146
That's the point.

>>184229429
You think B or C rank players have fully contructed deck or it's a sandbagger's paradise there?

>>184229517
Because Neutral is better in every way.

>>184229517
What's Alice, Neutral curve?

>>184229575
Read the Japanese Twitter account.

>>184229487
I don't see nerfing Sybil as something that big of a deal. Then again I also don't think Sybil is that big of a deal to be nerfed.

>>184229601
Where were all the aggro decks in totg faggot?

>>184229486
>here are still up to 22 hours left for the announcement
Too much, uninstalled.

>>184229575
Nip Twitter says 30th, you nigger.

>>184229596
I play alt accounts pretty frequently. Deck building composition doesn't actually change much at low ranks, they're filled with netdecks, whether Neutral Blood or other stuff. You do see the occasional weird shitty deck you don't see in Masters, but it's not like every other game or anything. The main difference is shitty play, but even that doesn't matter that much right now since neutral blood can't really play poorly. There are plenty of games I've had in B or C rank as a master player where it felt like player skill didn't matter whatsoever.

>>184229596
>You think B or C rank players have fully contructed deck
Yes they're. Create new account and check.

>>184229596
More less, every low rank players craft something viable to start off and climb.

>>184229696
Aggro Shadow

>>184229731
I actually forgot the fact that Intern-kun said 29th in PT. So there is actually up to 14 hours left.

>>184229812
"Something" you mean something top cancer.

>>184229871
It's already the 29th in PT.

>>184229781
>this is the state of the game after they nerfed forest time and time again in addition to refusal to give forest any good cards for 3 expansions consecutively

>>184229971
it's also like 2 AM 30th of July in nipland as of now

>>184229971
>up to
Of course it can be done earlier.

>>184230054
Oh, sorry, I misread your post.

>>184230051
It's probably coming out around 12PM

I don't remember everyone to be this negative when I last played this game a few months ago. How did this happen?

>>184230030
I kind of got used to the rote nature of games, but after recently trying TESL again it really struck me how fucking robotic Shadowverse has become. You just curve out and never try to hold back cards or play clever. It's really changed since DE, when things were less pre-packaged, and the devs didn't hand you your pre-assigned combos on a platter.

>>184230240
ToG was the worst meta this game had ever seen. Everyone thought it couldn't get worse with WD, but it did.

>>184230240

Two awful expansions in a row, with Cygames throwing balance and class identity out the window

>>184230240
It's really not the players fault. The game is just that bad right now. The only people who are okay with it are those who just started playing and never had anything else to compare it to.

>>184230241
>again it really struck me how fucking robotic Shadowverse has become.
This. Even watching SV tournaments is pure slog

>>184230241
The only way to save this game is to make Forest relevant again. It is not a coincidence that meta with forest at the top is always a healthy meta.

>>184230346
WD had the potential to be the best expansion ever but completely killed it with Abyss, Alice and Tove

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They are likely going to nerf at least 3 Blood cards today, yet pic related exists.

>>184230240
Don't worry, post nerf metas are always the best.

>>184230240
When 1-2-3-4 go first win the game happened.
ToG was Skull Beast - Spatoi - Catacomb - Orthus (2x Reaper) fuel Eachtar's cost back to back
WoD is Goblin - Tove - GoB Leader - Alice (or BKB)
Even Forest - a combo deck plays 2-3-4-5-BnB now

>>184230585
Alice is easy to fix. Doesn't even need to be nerfed hard. Just make her 5PP (and maybe adjust stats to match 5PP) and she's fine. Really easy fix since what makes her broken is pre-evolve Alice. The other cards, though... yeah, fundamentally broken.

>>184230605
>ToG
I mean, it could be better if they nerfed reaper earlier, but it was still shit.

>>184229429
>aggro
Aggro was dead in ToG. Midrange that wasn't shadow was also dead in ToG. Every sibyl played lowers the chance of winning by 20% for midrange. You guys forgot that cygames announced the winrates for ramp dragon was 55% at the end of ToG. Sibyl is literally the definition of a powercreep card. The existence of sibyl calls for newer powerful cards that can counter it hence the birth of neutralcraft.

>>184230605
Post nerf ToG wasn't good. The only good post nerf meta was post nerf RoB.

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>>184230240
>DUDE LET'S GIVE SHADOW THE MOST POWERFUL MIDRANGE FINISHER OF ALL TIME
>refuse to nerf it and hit an enabler silver instead, and then overnerf a completely balanced gold instead at the end of the expansion
>DUDE LET'S GIVE BLOOD THE MOST POWERFUL FINISHER OF ALL TIME ALONG WITH THE BEST TEMPO CARDS THIS GAME HAS EVER SEEN
I wonder how this will work out

>>184230596
>We're really good at our jobs.png

>>184230605
TOTG actually got worse in the post nerf meta, which was impressive (in the bad way) and a big part of why people were hoping WD would be better

>>184230703
>5pp
That won't fix shit. Just make it buff attack only and all those 2 damage clears will be good again.

83478
concede onegai

>>184230605
>post nerf metas are always the best
Not really. Post nerf RoB didn't save the game. Player count is still dropping at the same speed.

>>184230892
Sure it will. You can easily clear out their board with evolves before Alice lands. If you lose control of the game to Alice at any point past when evolves unlock you're just playing really bad or bricked.

>>184230892
Making her 5pp fixes a lot of shit. First, she can't hit the board before the player going second gets to evolve and fight for board, eliminating a lot of the shit she could buff. It also makes turn 3 Leader a much less threatening play, since it's impossible to follow it up with an Alice immediately after.

>>184230605
We have post-nerf and post-post-nerf this expansion.
So?

>>184230943
thank you ginger

>>184230240
Shadowniggers refused to kill themselves

>>184230240
Well, you see. There's a literal tier 0 deck in a card game like I've never seen since artifacts with hilarious skullclamp. The continous refusal to nerf broken shit just because LEGENDARIES is making everyone sour. Having a whole craft literally out of the game speaks volumes of the balance. And the game is starting to feel like hearthstone, every game feels the same with every deck doing the exact same shit. You can't even blame the players, there's no room to construct anything because if you don't remove at least one target each round you are dead. TDLR wait for a new card game and play that until it gets powercreeped again

>>184230826
>powerful midrange finisher
I like this meme when most scoffed at him when he was leaked.

>>184230960
>one of the most balanced and varied metas alongside DE wasn't good because muh numbers
What are you, a Cygames employee?

NERFS ARE OUT HOLY SHIT
NERFS ARE OUT
NERFS ARE OUT
I REPEAT
NERFS ARE OUT
https://twitter.com/shadowversegame/status/891191574666788864
https://twitter.com/shadowversegame/status/891191574666788864
https://twitter.com/shadowversegame/status/891191574666788864

>>184231093
Can I return an old Alice card, go to Cygames office and get a new one if it happens?
Physical card tho.

>>184231256
Pre-nerf RoB was the best meta after standard and DE. Post nerf was trailing behind as one of the most balanced meta too.

>>184231364
>standard
>ptp forest meta
>good

>>184231325
>not wanting to keep the original version

>>184231364
>pre-nerf RoB was the best meta
>full force diarrhea
Go wear a diaper, isaboob.

>>184231280
Too obvious. Apply yourself.

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>>184231254
No one scoffed at him
You had a retarded e-personality streamer who previewed him for Cygames saying "This is a meme card", and everyone in the stream immediately made fun of the guy
It was clear to everyone but the guy getting paid to preview it that it was a busted card that would be extremely powerful
There were a few idiots who tried to predict that it would be like Sneks (on paper powerful but in practice not very good), but they were in the minority

>>184231254
I was guilty of that on the reveals. Luckily I learned from Totg and was correct about almost all of the WD legendaries besides Fairy Dragon (thought it would see some play)

>>184231364
>pre-nerf RoB
>Literally two decks: Daria and OTK Roach
>Exactly the same as Midshadow and Ramp Dragon in ToG
Post Nerf RoB Daria and Roach were still Tier 1 but now with Albert Sword in the middle, so really it wasn't that much better.

>>184231425
PtP forest was one of the most skill intensive deck in the game. Too bad they nerfed it because ungababs can't handle it.

>>184230757
Yeah, but I meant every aggressive deck that just aimed face. Ledge was hell to despite not being the best to pressure early game. The data for dragon were all messed up and overlapping. Cygames made up the whole thing to protect Shadow (and now we know they've stealthy protecting Blood too), the thing was too obvious.

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>>184231280
>another /svg/ shitposter with twitter account
>dota2
At least i know who always post this reaction face here. Why /svg/ attracts retards?

>>184231254
>scoffed
Most people didn't. I don't actually remember any post scoffing at him.
Most people thought he was good or at least decent, but it was hard to see how broken he was simply by looking at him because nobody saw how sticky Shadow's board would end up being for the board buff and how many shadows they could generate for the Necro effect.

>>184231737
also a shadownigger

>>184231597
Nice revisionism.

>>184231543
>thinking a 0/4 turn 2 or X/4 later on in the game would be useful in any shape or form

I called out that it would be useless as fuck.

>>184231540
>No one scoffed at him
I was in the threads and I still remember a lot of people saying that he wasn't a big deal, some even called him useless. They even said that Prince was just a measly Bone chimera, calling everyone that was worried about him was a idiot.

"/svg/ is wrong about everything" was a meme for a reason.

>Kemonoshit image
Go back to /a/ with that cancer.

>>184229429
And high ranks are mostly fast paced cancer decks which have a preferred matchup so of course retarded bandwagon shitters wouldn't have a problem with it. They don't even understand the situation.

>>184230030
Fairy driver and ephema are pretty fun with tempo elf at least. Gotta love those massive damage spikes

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>>184231967
Well hey. It had ward and lots of hp. If the fucking thing started out at 1 attack it would be good already, but no, they HAD to push the death of fairies meme
To pay for my shitty prediction I pulled 1 animated and 2 regular. At least it's cute

>>184230578
>Game is too fast paced for you to ever build a board of interacting followers and amulets
God damn

>>184230240
People listened to the "design space" meme, called for nerfs to non powercreep cards that can be worked around by smart mechanics while defending powercreep cards that can only be solved by printing more powercreep cards. End result it only takes a year for sv to be worse than heartstone

>>184231974
People were calling him OP. And people KNOW Prince was OP. It was the shadownigger who kept diverting post attention to "muh desert rider" and "another 7 drop". I remember I keep saying Shadow got a lot of good cards that expansion while they keep crying and said they got nothing. Never fall for shadownigger's lie. Also shadow should never be relevant again because of the atrocities they've done.

>>184230826
Midshadow had busted everything
CBlood had a weak win con

They were hideously incompetent with the making of spawn. Nearly a deathly tyrant without the bullshit conditions and inability to actually win.

>>184231707
>cygames greedy mobage company
>made up things to protect shadow over dragon whales

>>184232336
A few people did call Eachtar OP, but I got the impression that most people didn't think so highly of him. I am absolutely certain that prince was absolutely and overwhelming called subpar, I lost count of just how many "It's just a new bone chimera" a saw in the threads. That said, it all being shadowniggers lies to divert attention from their new OP cards make sense.

>Also shadow should never be relevant again because of the atrocities they've done.
Amen.

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Nerfs

>>184232571
Shadow is the patrician craft. Needs to remain viable, else we return to the dark ages of DE.

>>184232167
>lots of hp
4 is too little as it dies to any evolve follower mid game and grimnir later game. I would say if it is 5 then maybe it will see some play.

>>184232162
I use Fairy driver and Brambles in my tempo list. Fairy dragon is too bad that I dropped it after just one game. Fairy driver helps a lot in clearing while Brambles helps with early game trading.

>>184232748
Agreed, Eachtar is fine. Face shitters just get mad that Shadow has a way to come back from a bad board condition; while (conveniently?) forgetting Haven, Rune and Dragon all have much better tools than this.

>Still no 1PP 1/2 follower for forest

>>184232795
>Brambles
Shit would be amazing if the effect remained like it FUCKING SHOULD on the followers on play

>>184233117
goblin :^)

>>184233037
bait

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>>184233037
I wonder... nerver mind

>>184232750
Go back to your vacation.
And your playrate needs to dip below 1% (what's all-time low played rate class in Hearthstone anyway? Hunter?)

>>184233037
>Agreed, Eachtar is fine.
Huh? I was talking about the threads when Eachtar was leaked and the impression that I got from the people in those threads. I absolutely believe that Eachtar is full blown cancer.

>Shadow has a way to come back from a bad board condition

If he did only that it would be fine, but the +2 is absolutely bullshit.

This is bait, right?

>>184233192
Either that or at least make the countdown 3. 2 way too little time for forest to utilize it well.

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>>184232750
Those won't make you tier 1 again, Arisa. Go back to sleep until September.

>tfw roping bloodnigger when doing dailies in unrank

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>>184233117
>no 1pp follower at all for rune

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If they're nerfing bestial lover i will surely delete this game

>>184233250
>Buglar is the next broken Shadow legendary

>>184233381
scrap golem

>>184233381
>what is scrap

>>184233327
Eachtar, and sometimes Nep, are the only things which keep Shadow competitive.

>>184233437
>>184233439
It's spawned from an amulet.

>>184233381
You have a Tove with ward, and without the neutral requirement.

>>184233463
But niggers didn't even need Eachtar to win back in the day

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>>184233528
Its still a follower that costs 1

>>184233463
One more reason to nerf the fucker then. There's a reason that the best meta DE, when shadowniggers were completely marginalized.

>>184233575
Shadow wasn't winning anything between DE and TotG besides occasional Nep memes.

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>there's still people in the old thread

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I would rather they get rid of the rush or the zombies than the +2, the +2 allows you to run a deck full of shadow generators and lower curve and still be threatening past like turn 6

Think the nerf announcement might be at daily reset?

>>184233731
>shadownigger's revisionism

>>184233731
Holy shit this dude forgot about catacomb and reaper, holy BOW!

>>184233564
The requirement is that it isn't a card that can just be played on turn 2. It requires the use of other cards to even exist. Also, the spell Conjure Guardian is 2pp, but the follower itself is 4pp if it somehow gets bounced back into hand.

92470
Fight me niggers.

>>184233908
>5am
No, it's going to be after 9am. Sooner than that is unlikely.

>Eachtar beats shit out of Dark Alice
>Dark Alice is so bad and lose to everything
>Minthe is shit even in Tyrant deck
Dark Alice should be completely redesigned. Minthe should be redesigned. Eachtar should be nerfed. Hell all shadwo decks looks same. Even Nep now is just midrange with Mordecai

>>184233731
Shadow was always tier 0, never forget the six gorrillian Cerbhowls

>>184234246
There isn't much you can do with the craft. Most of the Necromancy cards overpriced and the shadow mechanic still gets hard countered by Haven.

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Mom! I did it!

>>184230826
>reaper
>completely balanced gold
you guys keep on digging that hole by youreselves

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>shit might hit the fan in a few hours
bros, I can't handle it

>>184233880
If Eachtar only have a +2/+0 to board, he'd be fine. You'd know that you have to deal with Shadow's board or you might get bursted.
Right now, you know that you have to get rid of Shadow's board or you might get bursted, but at the same time you also know that if you get rid of their board they will just build it up again with the same card that would punish your for letting their board live.
Eachtar is just a stupid card. They really should increase his Necro cost to 4 at very least, but I don't think that will happen because of MUH PLAYRATE.

19887
playing for private gold, so I cannot concede. emote if you want me to concede 4U

>>184231737
pls dont put dotogentlemen and honest players of shadow on the same bag thanks

>>184234496
>turn 8
>4 shadows
>5/8 PP
Poor Arisa. She bricked pretty hard.

>>184234403
>still gets hard countered by Haven.
I still believe Haven is source of all bullshit we have in last metas

>>184234246
I actually like the concept of dark alice "discarding all your bad cards" so you only draw good ones (eg, you have all shadow cards minus satan, grimnir and test of strong) but it takes waaaaay too long to set up. and even once you do set it up to draw satan you have to play him, then wait more turns to draw your satan deck cards then play those. Dark alice really should've been a 6pp 4/5 or 5pp 4/4 or something. At 7pp I'd rather just run khway and wait one more turn for mordy and win in a couple turns, rather than wait out 4 to 6 extra turn win after playing dark alice then playing satan lottery.

>>184234857
That's not how you write Otomeme.

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>>184234613
2pp Reaper is a completely fine card though obviously strong. It snowballed out of control thanks to pre-nerf Catacomb but after the nerf it was the same as always. It doesn't generate shadows for Eachtar or anything. The nerf made it completely and entirely unplayable regardless of whether you think the card is balanced at 2pp or not.

>>184235028
Shut the fuck up, stupid anime posting bitch. Reaper was and will be broken at 2pp regardless of Catacomb. You insufferable faggot.

>>184235141
reaper was fine before tog

>Win a private match
>95884

Please help me, kind anons!

>>184235028
A 4pp 2/2 reaper might've been cool (playable?).

>>184235276
No it wasn't, Shadow was bad so it never saw play but that doesn't mean the card is fine

If you're going first it's busted, if you're going second it's still strong.

>>184235325
Are you autistic?

>>184235287
Thank you, kind anon!

I hope many legendaries and 5-0's come to you!

>>184235385
>aggro
>if you're going first it's busted
who would've known

>>184235028
>overly perfect synergy with all the lw/sudoku combos
>completely fine card
you guys are not self aware at all, lets not even talk about how it also gains hp
if it was 1/3 and didnt gain hp then maybe it would be a different matter

>>184235276
The problem with reaper is that he was basically Tove but with ambush and awesome synergy. You couldn't do anything to stop it from growing stronger.

>>184235385
Reaper was perfectly fine. Hen eeded a board, he was strong but not broken like little bitch

>>184235629
it wasn't anything like Tove you fucking troglodyte.
Tove is only good since you always beat the other 2-drop. You have brain damage if you play Reaper on 2.

>>184235629
>terrible turn 2 play
>it's basically Tove
Are you alright?

Nerf Iurius

>>184235691
>drop reaper
>evolve
Guaranteed large face damage

>>184235413
Well, why not? It would be twice as strong, at twice the cost respectively. But it would come out later in the game when its easier to deal with it resulting in less snow-bally situations. 2pp reaper was disgusting when you went first and got a 1 drop into a 2 drop into reaper+1 drop.

I just want them to release these fucking nerf news so that I can enjoy the shitstorm, I don't even care what they'll be about I want this general in flames

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>>184235860

>>184235851
Just like Zell is good with double the stats and double the cost, right? Stop fucking posting, autist.

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>>184235141
You're bringing absolutely nothing to the table other than being a mad fag
>>184235325
Too expensive in my opinion.
>>184235560
It requires an already established board and is exclusively a win-more card. "Overly perfect synergy" is a stupid term to use, as you don't play Reaper with cards like Attendant normally. Reaper would have to grow through trading 1 or 2-drops as lich summoners and urd/necroassassin are too unwieldy and draw-dependent to fit into a deck with him.

>>184236031
Zell will never be Laura of course it isn't viable.

>>184236089
Retards should not be allowed to have an opinion. If someone makes a stupid post, I'm not going to contribute but discredit what they have to say.

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@184236205
keep fighting the good fight!

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>>184235028
>tfw i will NEVER be this wrong in my life

>>184236031
Zell was used for its combo potential, not for its board presence like reaper. Zell going to 4 meant no more sahabahazell 13 to face shenanagans. Reaper going to 4 simply means you have to establish a board before dropping him, then growing him via trading your board to generate value.

>>184236089
Reaper is exclusively a win-more card? What? Stop posting.

>>184236089
>requires an already established board
A honest shadownigger expert will say otherwise. With Lighting Blast out of the game even a Death's Breath + Reaper combo is uncountered.

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>>184236525
Just Calamitous Curse bro.

>>184236089
>Shadow, the craft that literally floods the board with skeletons, need to be in a winning position to get good value out of Reaper
Except reaper is a 2/2 ambush with one follower on the board, and if it survives to the next turn will probably be a 4/4+
for 2 pp
STOP POSTING ALREADY FUCK

>>184236089
>exclusively a win-more card
You are fucking retarded. Reaper probably didn't deserve the nerf (they should've just gone after Eachtar), but it carried many games and won a lot others by itself. Playing Reaper behind an established board was not "winmore", it was a guarantee that you'd get a lot of damage in regardless of your board dying or not, and a lot of times it was impossible to kill both the board and the Reaper.
Reaper was a very strong card.

>>184236525
*uncounterable

>>184236603
Dirt rune can do it now!

>>184236420
He's already bad at 3pp. Increasing his cost further just makes him more worthless. +1/+1 won't change that.

>>184236612
that's exactly why it used to be a strong card.
strong cards are always going to be overstatted like that, until they get nerfed.
same situation with Teatime. Why does it cost the same as a Tin Soldier would if you get two Tin Soldiers? Haven gets to have a strong card for a while.

>>184236435
>drop reaper on empty board
WOW
>drop reaper on a board with a single follower
Congratulations, you played a 2/2 with ambush and now you can hit face with it
>drop reaper on a board of 3-4 followers
Hmm, looks like you were already winning the board state, and thanks to the enemy trading into your guys, you get a 4/4 -> 6/6 reaper that hits their face for a lot of damage!
>>184236525
I saw that combination twice in all of TOTG.
>>184236612
> if it survives to the next turn will probably be a
You are dumb as shit. If your reaper survives a turn outside of ambush your opponent is brain damaged or has absolutely nothing in their hand. You don't let reaper live just like you don't let Sibyl live
>>184236648
I have never denied Reaper was a strong card, I said it myself. REGARDLESS of how balanced you think he was at 2pp, he's unplayable at 3pp and the nerf was an awful choice.

Nerf elana

>>184236850
Fuck the useless fucking mods on this website, if any of them gave a shit about their fucking jobs they'd have banned you by now
It's obvious you're trolling - nobody is this stupid, not even D rank shitters. Stop FUCKING posting already.

>more than 5 cards being nerfed
>roach will still dodge the bat

>>184236648
Just Themesis haven scrub

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>>184236980

>>184236850
>I saw that combination twice in all of TOTG
Go away rank D faggot

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>>184236980
>someones opinion differs from mine
>MODSSSSS
not that guy but kill yourself

@184236850
>I saw that combination twice in all of TOTG.
no (you)s for you, sorry

>>184236850
Okay but there's something. Reaper only got nerfed when it didn't matter anymore. The expansion has finished, they literally never nerfed Reaper. It's like letting Neutral Blood be as it is now and only nerfing it after WD ends.

>>184237065
I was top within the 10k Masters in the last two months of TOTG without playing midrange shadow but ok sure I'm D rank if you say so

>>184237006
Tell us how to nerf roach, hag

>>184237197
Midshadow is tier 1 now, of course it would be using Reaper if it could

>>184237237
0/1

>>184237197
Yeah, this is part of my problem with it beyond the stuff I don't agree with other anons on. Why nerf a card going into another expansion? It's obvious to me that they still regret Eachtar but are too prideful to nerf the card like they should have

>>184237237
Give Roach Rush and make it 3pp

>>184237006
Just nerf Roach already, honestly. It's obvious that Cygames fears that card like it's the embodiment of Satan himself, so while it exists they will never give Forest anything good.

>>184237212
ok

>>184237237
I'd rather they just remove it from the game if it means they get to print actual cards for the class. Being a Forest main is pure suffering.

>>184236779
>Increasing his cost further just makes him more worthless
Fair enough. The point I was trying to make was that reaper needed a rebalance (buffs and nerfs) not just a straight nerf into the dumpster as a 3pp 1/1. a 4pp 2/2 would at least be justifiable. Or even a 3pp 1/2 so it would be just a little more survivable vs aoe.

>faggots still mad at roach
Yeah, lets leave forest with only bnb as a wincon.

>>184237387
>they still regret Eachtar
no they dont, they designed it like that

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>comes ToG
>has the chance to make a wincon for forest so roach isn't used anymore
>prints Anomaly
>comes WLD
>has the chance to make another wincon that isn't tied to neutrals so it can persist through the next expansions
>prints Beauty & Beast
>roach isn't even threatening anymore because lol powercreep
Being elf is suffering.

>>184237715
Just PtP bro

>>184237856
Would be even more dead with roach nerfed

>>184237454
>I'd rather they just remove it from the game if it means they get to print actual cards for the class.
>le design space

Explain further. Why Roach is problem? Good cards will make roach stronger? Really? How?

>>184237918
>Good cards will make roach stronger? Really? How?
Were you not here for pre-nerf gobu?

>>184237918
It warps the whole fucking craft you fucking mongoloid.Other cards are undervalued or aren't printed at all because of roach alone.That's why it needs to be fucking deleted already because it seems to be a big enough problem.

Reaper at 2 pp was retarded.

With just a chimera on 3 going first, if it didn't get banished, a reaper on 4 becomes a 4/4 for 2 by the time it can attack on turn 5, because you can trade chimera on 4 when you play reaper, then trade the two skellies on 5 before you attack. God forbid the shadow player has a surviving follower in addition to chimera going into 4, or a follow to drop alongside reaper, cause now it's a 5/5 for 2 by the time it loses ambush. A 5/5 with even more growth potential for 2 just by playing on curve. Just getting slapped by that once, which is gonna happen against most decks cause lol ambush, is fucking game ending against aggro shadow.

And just fucking concede on the spot if they get double reaper on 4 after chimera or almost any 1 2 3 curve.

It was manageable if shadow went 2nd because you could control early board, but going first it was fucking stupid. Cards that snowball off early game board states like old shadow reaper did are exactly why we are in this shitty meta of 60-40 1st-2nd winrates and are in general totally unfun to play with or against. I hope they nerf all of them to uselessness - Alice first.

>>184237918
They won't, but it's clear at this point that Cygames thinks Roach is so strong that it will carry Forest for this game's entire lifetime.

>>184237918
What forest needs to be good is more draw power and token generation for its class trait to be useful. But those make turn 7 roach OTK more common.

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>roach
>2pp 1/1
>attack can't be higher than 5
>evo
>attack can't be higher than 7

>gobu
>3pp 2/2
>pulls random 2 drop

Not like it matters anymore but they should have done this instead.

>>184234638
Where can I buy one of those?

>>184237918
It's more that I think they feel that they have to add stupid conditions to every Forest card that they're printing because they're afraid that printing a generically powerful card will break the class wide open. Also the fact that the card exists means that Forest will never get another cantrip ever.

>>184238129
"No"

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>>184238007
>>184238019
This is roach core. Irreplaceable. Tell me why they can't print good forest cards because of muh roach? Roach needs 0PP cards. Roach needs Princess and Feena. People use roach because all other combo effects are suck big ass

NERFS ARE OUT ALICE GOT FUCKING DESTROYED