/utg/ - Undertale General

First for Flowey

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>>183833140
Post a pic with your claim!

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>>183833014
Such amazing art could only have been born on the best general on 4chan, /utg/.

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Fifth for Ice-E

I filter posts that have "First for X" or "Last for X".

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>>183833197
Didn't see that coming.

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Reminder that Undertale had blood in the esrb until it was changed

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cute lizard and hot robot

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>>183833261
I STAKE MY CLAIM

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Goat

Children

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>>183834474

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The spider a cute! CUTE!!!

>>183835393
No!

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>>183835393
But would the spider be able to take care of three bone puppies?

>>183835393
But can the spider answer the question posed by the phrase, followed by a colon, its own quotation, a question mark, and an exclamation mark: "But can the spider answer the question posed by the phrase, followed by a colon, its own quotation, a question mark, and an exclamation mark"?!

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>Someone is reading through the entire last thread and replying to people
>They keep replying to me
Help

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>>183835202
That dog is looking underweight. And pointy.

I hate being such a salty sailor.

>>183835393
But can the Spider explain why someone else asked a meta question!?

>>183836248
You can change. We all can.

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>>183836209
He should probably eat more.

>>183835785
Close the tab and run.

>>183836693
I can't. I have a compulsive need to read every post replying to me and see the end of any thread I post in. It's very inconvenient.

>>183836445
Except Chara. And Flwoeu.

>>183837270
>Flwoeu
Don't you dare delete your mistake. We need to preserve this.

>>182276951
That's a lot of tags.

>>183833512

best: the CourierNew trilogy i guess, though the Asgore one's my favorite instead of One by One

worst: i try to avoid most of the worse fics but i read enough of Strange Places to form an opinion of it, and that opinion is that i deeply regret reading Strange Places

>>183837509
It sure is.
Why are you replying to my post from over two weeks ago though

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>>183836582
What would you even feed that thing?

Does anyone have Frick or Crybleats tumblrs? Looking for the old Asrielfags and they both seem deleted.

>>183837637
Unleash your hatred. Tell us: why did you not like Strange Places?

>>183837885
Frick renamed himself, and Cry's still a browser of /utg/. Occasionally takes requests too.

>>183837868
There's probably a monster equivalent of dog food (made from magic) somewhere in the Underground. The skelebros don't have any trouble eating the monster version of people food, after all.

>that filename
I actually didn't have it, thanks for sharing!

>>183837910
feralphoenix-tier chara apologia, standard rambling bullshit plot that does nothing and goes nowhere, sloppy prose with nothing distinguishable or noteworthy about it except the errors

what pushes it over the top was making the player of the game into the a) the primary villain, and b) a literal author self-insert who uses tumblr-speak and dies tragically

>>183837910
Not him, but Strange Places was the first Undertale fic I read. If I hadn't read One by One right after it I might just have given up on fanfiction altogether.
I've purged most of it from my memory, but I remember it had thousands of instances of the word "kiddo", really weird Flowey/Asriel/Frisk/Chara shipping, and a poorly done player-as-a-character.

>>183837868
Pupyrus would be the kind of dog that would go crazy for walkies.
Or when someone visits, he would lose his mind and wag his tail so fast it would vibrate.

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>>183833512
BOTWOT (complete), Spectrum (still ongoing), and Trust (still ongoing) are all pretty neat.
I really like the creative explanations of the skeleton brothers' past in them.
The former two are tense and action-packed, and Trust is cute, but also has angst.
I think Trust is also the first of the Adoptive Dad Grillby fics.

>>183838359
I don't understand how people can look at stories and think the best way to expand them is to add self-inserts or OC non-characters to it.

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What would your favorite's seasonal job be?

I finished 12 panels of the comic today, so now there are only 13 left to finish.
I made 2 more polls about the comic:

Poll about whether or not to color the panels that are after Frisk exits the underground:
http://www.strawpoll.me/13534096

Poll about the shading in the flashbacks:
http://www.strawpoll.me/13534117

>>183838926
Sansta!
>http://undertale-smolfrisk.tumblr.com/post/136358078503/livster-the-schmuck-original-comic-by-coulsart

>>183838553
Definitely! I also read this adorable one-shot the other day where Papyrus signed himself up as a therapy dog. Do you think he would make a good one?

>>183835425
The spider is adorable and you know it! Stop trying to hide your feelings!
>>183835524
Certainly! They would definitely behave when near someone as cute as the spider! Besides, she also has hundreds of spiders to help out as well!
>>183835706
Yes she can! The solution is so simple!
>>183836267
It's a bit tricky, but possible! By going backwards and studying all the previous questions asked by that anon, and by adding cuteness to the mix, the exact reasoning becomes clear!

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>>183839180
Poor Chara.

>>183838860
most of them aren't actually interested in the writing aspect, fanworks are just a way for them to socialize with people who have similar interests. that explains why most of them keep going and never end

there's maybe one fic writer in a hundred who actually gives a shit about their work, and the number of people who don't just use it as an outlet for their fetishes is even lower

>>183838860
I don't think OCs are bad per se. They often end up being bad because you get incompetent character design with incompetent writing, which is worse than competent character design (done by someone else) with incompetent writing.
But if the character has a real place in the story it can be made to work. I think the player character in Strange Places had a proper place in the story, it just happened to be a really terrible character. With a good author it could have worked out ok.
Not to mention that pretty much any characterization of certain characters (definitely Gaster, arguably Frisk and Chara) has a lot of OCness.

>>183839864

the Player in SP was a fucked concept right from the start because they were formless, omni-present, and basically omnipotent

if i remember right they (actually "she" because lmao author insert) lost because they decided to

you can't get any conflict out of an antagonist like that

>>183840070
>you can't get any conflict out of an antagonist like that
Exactly.
It's important that the villain establishes a threat, but if they're completely invincible and the story's guaranteed to end in tragedy, I lose interest instantly.

>>183840070
>because they were formless, omni-present, and basically omnipotent
The only way that works is if the story focuses less on the player and more on the characters dealing with the nature of said entity. That's where the drama and tension come from.

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>>183840209
I mean, one good example of how to do that is OFF, where the player exists but can only interact with The Batter who serves as your avatar in the world. So if you're going to acknowledge the existence of the player, it should only be through Frisk. Frisk should be the one relaying their intentions to the other characters.

>>183840209
even then there's really no "tension," because an antagonist like that has the entire story existing at their whim - the protagonists will run around with their hands in their pants until the antagonist goes "right, that's enough of that," independent of whatever the protagonists do

the Book of Job this ain't

>>183838062
Oh, I thought CB quit. That's cool

Do you know Fricks new name?

I want post core Gaster to experiment on me sexually .
We need a fic about this.
Also some post-core Gaster fic with tentacles
I'm disgusting.

>>183840871
No, I don't. It was posted in thread many months ago, he's been visiting again though, so if you get a chance I'm sure he can supply it.

>>183840497
>because an antagonist like that has the entire story existing at their whim
Then don't make them an antagonist. As fun as genocide is for the player, it doesn't make for a very compelling story. Or you can just go full Call of Cthulhu and make it about the desperate futile struggle to hold back an unknowable cosmic entity. That can at least be somewhat entertaining. Or if you are going to do genocide, focus on the parts that we don't get to see. The stuff that goes on behind the scenes, like Alphys evacuating everyone or Papyrus preparing to face this unstoppable threat.

But that's too hard for fanfic writers who just want to self-insert themselves into the story.

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Anyone know the comic this one is from?

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>>183842301
I got you babe

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>>183842301
Is that fucking Applebeans in my thread?

>>183842879
a what

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>>183837885
I dont use tumblr anymore also fricks new name is jyunaiper/doublestep iirc

>>183843309
The artist. A person who makes ugly shitpost art into a higher echelons of powerplay.

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>>183833014
Sex saxophone you say

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Best ship.

Canon post TP.

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A new page of They Say He Shattered.

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>>183835393
I have your order of spider from Pixiv.
I think I already posted this one but I'm too sleepy to be sure.

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>tfw you realize you'll never actually be the biggest asrielfag here because you can't art

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>>183846103
>tfw you are probably the smallest asrielfag here because all you do is lurk

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>>183846250
>visual representation of me right now

>>183847040
>Someone saved that image made aeons ago

>>183847040
PIXEL BOYE

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>>183847129
I've saved a lot of stuff. I've even saved some random guy's art window.

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What did you guys eat last? Which character would enjoy it the most?
I made some maki for dinner, Alphys would probably like it most.

>>183847956
Had some Swensons. Sans would probably eat it.
>>183847397
What else do you have saved?

>>183839325
Absolutely. He would care for his owners so much and stay by their side no matter what.

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>>183848046
I saved this man's shame.

>>183847956
Bacon and Pepperoni Totinos.

Seems like a Sans or Asriel food to me.

>>183848161
Ha! I remember when that was posted. It was hilarious.

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>>183846103
learn to art then

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>>183848412
But what if I get good at doing art so I decide to apply for art school and get rejected and wind up becoming Adolf Hitler?

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When does summer end?
I hate the heat.
I want it to be Christmas.

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>>183848554
do that and start next world war

>>183847956
Some lemon/raspberry ice cream! I need something sweet to end the day

>>183848793
Christmas in July!

>>183848793
Can't relate, I love the sunshine, long evenings, and hanging by the pool.

>>183848793
Wake me up
when the summer ends

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>>183848915
THAT DOES IT.
POST CHRISTMAS THINGS!

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>>183849562
I don't like the sunshine, I like it better cloudy and breezy.
I don't really ever get cold, so late fall is my favorite time of year. I love the fall colors and holidays that come with it.

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>>183849689

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>>183849689
Cribmaz!

>>183850271
my heart :3

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What does Flowey want for Christmas?

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>>183850271
Setting her house on fire once wasn't enough?

>>183850468
Plutonium

>>183850505
Something here is wrong but I can't quite put my finger on it

Is Undyne's eyepatch on the right eye?

>>183850468
Socks.

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>>183850373
But wait, there's more!

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crimmas

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Sweater weather!

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Anon and goop.

>>183840921
>I want post core Gaster to experiment on me sexually.
By that you mean a scientific experiment into human psychology, right? I'm sure that's it. Here's a fic about post-core Gaster experimenting on you sexually. All I know about you is that you made a post on /utg/ so I had to get creative.
https://pastebin.com/Cv0aUEGW

(it's 4 AM, I hope it makes sense)

>>183850739
Asriel is there.

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I want to be under the mistletoe with Sans.

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>Christmas posting
IT'S NOT EVEN AUTUMN YET

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>>183851757
happy easter

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What's your favourite's favourite holiday?

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>>183851998
Oktoberfest

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>>183851998
Halloween because lots of chocolate and murder

>>183851998
Saint Paddy's

>>183852289
But who's your favourite?

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>>183851998
Halloween!
Last year I decorated my yard and handed out candy. Didn't get many kids so I had a lot of candy left over.
I'll decorate again this year and since I'm doing okay money-wise I'll be "that house" and give out full-sized candy bars.
I actually had a trick-or-treater dressed as Sans last year, it was great.

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>>183849689
krimbus

>>183851998
Either Halloween for the cool costumes and parties, or Christmas for the food, gifts, and slightly calmer parties.

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>>183850468
Whatever it is, he won't get it because the little flower fuck's on Santa's naughty list from now to the end of time.

>>183852498
That sounds pretty cool. I live sort of secluded, so I never have anyone come by.

>>183852670
>not merry fishmas.jpg

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Flowey living an unnaturally long life!
Flowey surviving past the deaths of all the other characters!
Flowey surviving the apocalypse and destruction of human civilization!
Flowey existing past the sun going supernova and burning the earth to a crisp!
Flowey drifting aimlessly through the infinite blackness of space for untold millions of years!
Flowey witnessing the heat death of the universe!

>>183853119
Wouldn't flowey existing nullify the heat death of the universe.

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>>183853119
Hey, I'm trying to enjoy the holidays here.

>>183853119
why would he survive that long tho

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>The rest of the internet wont forget about Undertale
>We will never have all the Undertale to ourselves

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>>183853251
I'm pretty sure entropy doesn't give a shit.

>>183853334
Friendly reminder that every annual holiday is just one more grain of sand in the hourglass of your life falling to the bottom.

>>183853450
Japanese release soon.
Potential for new and returning artists soon.
SOON.

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>>183853540
Good, I want to die asap.

>>183853754
Fanart is a pretty cheap currency

>>183854190
I'm not sure what your point is unless you want the fandom to die for no reason.

>>183854380
I want it to die because there's nothing else to stick around for. The game is done.

>>183854190
Then what is expensive currency?

>>183854575
Oh get fucked in the ass you nihilistic dipshit.

>>183854575
That's not how fandom works.

>>183854593
Official new content

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>>183854723
>How do I like Chara?
You have exquisite taste

>>183852746
>king of the realm
>can't afford a Wii U
Stingy bastard.

TP but Sans falls asleep near a graveyard and someone tosses him in a box and buries him alive when

>>183855307
Come to think of it, would the Underground have little shrines dedicated to fallen monsters? Sort of like the Japanese.

>>183855539
They have the little dust ritual they do right?

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>>183855539
Well, there is the fan theory the statue in Waterfall was dedicated to the death of Asgore's children. But I doubt they have shrines since they don't keep the dust in an urn.

>>183856203
>Well, there is the fan theory the statue in Waterfall was dedicated to the death of Asgore's children
I wouldn't exactly call it a theory. It says "Royal Memorial Fountain" with a commemorated date, then Mettaton threw the ugly thing into the garbage dump and replaced it with his own. Then Undyne built a piano puzzle around it.

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>>183856537
Sorry, I was referring to the theory that the statue originally looked like the image and eventually degraded to what we see in the game.

Mettaton's a still a dick for throwing it out though, even if he is fabulous.

>>183856959
Oh. No, I think it was always supposed to commemorate Asgore's faggot little goat kid

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>>183857094
the faggiest

>>183855307
The eternal nap

>>183856959
>Mettaton's a still a dick for throwing it out though, even if he is fabulous
You'd throw out such a garish ugly eyesore too

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>>183858616
Why didn't he send it to Asgore instead?

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>>183858802
We /pfff/ now.

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>>183858802
Because who the fuck cares about him

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gote

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>>183859118
stab the gote

>>183859213
I love this picture

>>183859213
whenever i see this image i mostly just notice his adorable tiny feet

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i turred
speep tight /utg/

>>183859118
gote

making children

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>>183859374
Only weird part is that it's blood instead of dust but whatever

>>183859586
It's chocolate from the free candy tray.[/spain]

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>>183859542
Sleep tight!

>>183859501
Stop anon, das gay,

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>>183860109
We need to go gayer.

>>183840871
http://jyunaiper.tumblr.com/
http://twitter.com/jyunaiper

>>183832725
In context, that dream is the opening to a sequel my "Goat of Tomorrow" story, which establishes that the boss monster ageing mechanic is flourishing Asriel/Flowey with a new soul. It just hasn't provided any tangible benefit to him awake yet, but those happy feels are leaking into his dreams, even when his dreams have weird stuff in it,

>>183860768
>his recent pics

wew why couldn't he put out this quality for UT

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>>183860492

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Why is Chara so attractive?

>>183861413
Probably because you like smaller than average penises.

>>183861413
Because most depictions of the character are 100% headcanon except for the hair, eye, and skin color.

>>183861413
It's probably the adult porn.

>>183859213
I can't believe Frisk fucking stabbed herself

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>>183861938
I was wondering when you'd show up.

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>>183861669

Perhaps. I maintain a collection of adult female Chara images for "inspiration".

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>>183861413
Chara is cute because they have rosy cheeks and smile.

Frisk on the other hand is fucking ugly.

Papyrus and Asgore run a counselling service on the service, with Papyrus noticing when his fellow monsters are feeling low, and Asgore offering advice for dealing with their problems on the rare occasion Papyrus' enthusiasm isn't enough to address it.

>>183862639
>he typed service twice because the word was on his mind and it sounds like "surface"
HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

I UNDERSTAND YOUUUUUU

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>>183862617

Frisk can be attractive. Unfortunately, due to my writing, I can't help but see Frisk as male now.

>>183862778
Just look at it this way:Chara/Frisk can be any gender you want them to be due to Toby calling them ambiguous. Not to mention endless timelines=endless combinations of things.

>>183862778
Because of my first reactions to Chara, and the caretaker comic, I can now and forever only see CHara as a dude.

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>>183863326

Yup! ;-)

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>>183862778
>>183863432
All you need to do is believe in mejic and anything is possible!

>>183862763
I didn't even notice. Typos like that can be funny,

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>>183841426
>>183840497
http://alice-books.com/item/show/6457-1

While I lack the nip to really tell, this doujin seems to run with the idea of the Player(s) constantly forcing Frisk to redo the game, and the struggle to escape the cycle.

I'm still in boy!Frisk girl!Chara territory

>>183863950
That can get really interesting depending on how closely they're linked.

>>183863950
it's canon because females are more cruel than males

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>>183864692
That would make Frisk a girl and Chara a boy then. After all, Chara is a dutiful partner who never betrays you.

>>183864832
Well, so long as you do exactly what they say.

>>183864832
>dutiful partner who never betrays you
I know right? Just let me ask Asriel...

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Give me all of the funny Undertale videos you've seen.

>>183865108
Technically, Asriel betrayed Chara.

>>183865778
That came after Chara's unannounced contract renegotiation though.

>>183865861
Never happened. Chara wanted the souls, Asriel said sure. They went, the fused beings went to kill, but then Asriel fucked it all up. No change of plans.

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>>183865917
>blaming Asriel for Chara's homicidal tendencies
This shit again?

>>183865303
Here:

>>183865917
I'd consider going from a very explicitly stated six to "fucking everyone" somewhat of a change.

>>183866042
>>183866056
nice headcanon.

>>183865917
Asriel backed out on purpose after realizing just how much of a monster Chara was. He saved humanity in that ultimate act of kindness. Not only once, but twice did he make the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the world.

>>183866168
Did you somehow miss the whole "wanting to use full power" bit?

>>183866236
Again >>183866168
Don't be an Asriel dindu.
>>183866274
Nowhere is that mentioned. Genocide isn't the canon ending anon. You lose.

I LOVE MY FAVORITE SO MUCH
I HOPE YOU LOVE YOURS TOO

>>183866349
>headcanon
I know you're trying to meme like the screenshot but don't try to make charafags look this bad. It's very explicitly canon that Asriel, inadvertently or intentionally, saved humanity by rebelling against Chara. Later he saved Monsterkind by using his powers to break the barrier. I will not defend his actions as Flowey, but ultimately he made an attempt to redeem himself, and I choose to honor that and forgive him of his actions as Flowey for doing so.

>>183866484
>nadvertently or intentionally, saved humanity by rebelling against Chara. Later he saved Monsterkind by using his powers to break the barrier
That was never mentioned. That is a secondaries way of thinking. Go replay Undertale.

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>>183866349
>Nowhere is that mentioned.
Please play the game, it's actually kinda fun.

>>183866539
Dude, did you not talk to Asriel after beating him?

>>183866583
Nope. No mention of killing all of humanity. You lose.
>>183866615
Yes. No mention of actual genocide was there. Respond and you prove me right again.

>>183866663
>it's just a village and not full genocide, so it's fine
>they hate humanity but will totally stop at six, I mean, one village
wew lad

>>183866615
i didn't talk to him because he doesn't matter as a gote. only as a flower.

>>183866764
What's a village compared to the lives of thousands?

>>183866764
I love getting to expose how delusional charafags are over and over again

I love getting to expose how dindu Asrielfags are over and over again

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>>183862106
It would be interesting if this were an option

>>183866905
>>183866985
both true.

>>183863326
People are stupid and think Frisk and Chara are gender-neutral or some gay shit. No, their sex is determined by YOU the player. He/she can either be male or female and it's entirely up to you.

>>183866882
That's bullshit, monster lives were in no immediate danger, whereas indiscriminate slaughter is a willful act of evil.

>>183867181
Unfortunately this is true. Gendering Frisk isn't something that ticks off people for picking the opposite of their headcanon, but because they start screaming how it's 'nonbinary erasure', whatever the fuck that's supposed to be.

>>183867191
>That's bullshit, monster lives were in no immediate danger,
They were gonna suffer a slow and painful death by inbreeding and overpopulation eventually anyways. Would you rather a swift death of a small group or a slow and rippling death of an entire people that goes on for years?

>>183863823
Honestly I really like the idea of Frisk breaking free from the player's control, prompting a fight. Then you can either choose to let Frisk live their life in peace, or kill them and as a result sever your own connection to the game, being unable to ever play it again.

I was thinking of either playing Icewind Dale or Baldur's Gate. Which one should I play?

>>183865303
I can't believe Samuel Hyde committed monster genocide

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>>183867102
it's what happens at the end of genocide though
it's not a betrayal kill but you're still getting to kill goat who lost his mind

>>183867428
>the souls were needed to save the underground
Yes, they needed six more souls, I fail to see how this justifies butchering every villager and burning the village to the ground.

>>183867428
Just as monsters would learn that humans can be nice and coexistence is workable, the first human they've befriended in presumable decades at least, ends up slaughtering their entire birth village, proving themselves to be quite the psycho.

To say nothing of reigniting the war all over again.

>>183867585
Baldur's Gate my dude.

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>>183866236
>He saved humanity in that ultimate act of kindness. Not only once, but twice did he make the ultimate sacrifice for the good of the world.
And in this world, no good deed goes unpunished.

>>183867731
psychopaths would rationalize that it is okay to terminate one person over benefit of another

>>183867813
Psychopaths wouldn't give a shit about either of them

>>183866882
Depends on what you consider to be a village, but most villages have populations in the thousands

>>183867296
Toby unfortunately included that during a time when tumblr was at its most rabid. He should have just made Frisk and Chara a boy or a girl. Would have saved everyone a lot of headache. We already know from his own twitter posts that he considers Frisk to be male

>>183867731
>>183867743
>>183867756
>>183867862
>Missing the point entirely
Play Undertale again, I'm not going to spoonfeed you dummies.

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>>183867669
>it's not a betrayal kill but you're still getting to kill goat who lost his mind
And that's the only way I can have peace. It's just unfortunate that everyone else had to die too, but perhaps it's better this way.

Frisk is girl. That is canon.

>>183867963
You have some really twisted thinking anon

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>>183867963

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>>183867908
>hey asriel lets go get 6 human souls and free everyone k
>okay chara but how are we gonna get past the barrier
>ill kill myself and youll absorb my soul lol
>...okay
>wow chara that actually worked and now we can leave and free everyone
>wait what are you doing
>chara im stuck youre in control here
>oh you just wanna bury your body back at your home village thats sweet
>hey chara those people are looking at us funny
>chara what are you trying to do
And the rest is history. He was manipulated into crossing the barrier and Chara brought their body so the humans would attack them, giving them a reason to wipe them out. Asriel fought their control and the rest is history.

Though I admire your shitposting attempt

>>183867756
>But nobody came
I came. HARD.

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>>183868017
Meh, wouldn't be the first time

>>183868331
Shota goat tentacle rape is pretty hot I know

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>>183868097
It's really not. I couldn't stomach the TP ending knowing that Asriel is still stuck as a flower, and genocide is the only route where everybody is given a definitive ending since they're all dead and the world is a yawning void.

That's why you Floweyfags weird me out. It's like playing with someone who's horribly crippled.

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>>183868427
yay

>>183868650
I have a feeling you're a big fan of euthanasia for anything beyond a broken leg.

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edgy is the new sexy

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>>183868752
You know the suicide rates for people who'd been given lobotomies are pretty damn high. It's the irreversible alteration of one's mental state that really wigs me out. I couldn't care less if he was still a flower so long as he had his own personality and mind back. That's why he's better off dead.

After I heard him say that he'd stop being "himself" and would lose the ability to feel love, I knew I'd have no choice but to kill him.

>>183869001
>he had his own personality and mind back
He doesn't have the ruinous power of resets anymore and shows in the 'epilogue' that he cares more than enough to wish a good life to Frisk. It ain't perfect, but it's not like he'll just slip back into his pre-game attitude on a whim.

I like the idea of him getting the help he needs to cope with his situation and that even if he can't feel like, he can still have a happy and more or less fulfilling life. Then again, I'm pretty sure you've made up your mind about this already.

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Asriel needs all the cute girls in his life

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>>183869402
where's that
>it says you're GAY
crybleat did when I need it

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>>183869371
>He doesn't have the ruinous power of resets anymore and shows in the 'epilogue' that he cares more than enough to wish a good life to Frisk
That doesn't mean anything. You can mimic emotions, affect feelings, but it isn't genuine. He's temporarily restored some semblance of empathy, but it's only temporary.
>I like the idea of him getting the help he needs to cope with his situation
That's impossible. There is no way to "cope" with what he's become.

Furthermore, I think another reason I've opted for this path is because Flowey doesn't exactly seem like the kind of creature to keel over and die of natural causes. Determination is the ability to persevere beyond death, and he's been pumped full of the stuff.

You know it's weird. I'd never given this any considerable thought before, but my grandmother died of Alzheimer's not too long ago. I wonder if this has anything to do with my outlook.

>>183869402
Is Asriel a girl too?

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>>183869371
>and shows in the 'epilogue' that he cares more than enough to wish a good life to Frisk
But he doesn't, or rather, he can't.

>>183869654
It has been documented that sufferers of PTSD sometimes report a loss of love and empathy and sometimes other emotions as well. That doesn't mean we just kill all of them on sight, that's ludicrous. Nobody said it ain't excruciating, but there are people who can and do deal with these things without turning into a metaphorical monster. Flowey otherwise would have just killed himself, the reason he turns into a murdering psycho is the loss of responsibility and consequence coupled with his already existing problems. Removing the resets from the equation does make things better, although far from perfect.

>Flowey doesn't exactly seem like the kind of creature to keel over and die of natural causes. Determination is the ability to persevere beyond death, and he's been pumped full of the stuff.
He can be killed, whereas Frisk can't even touch the Amalgamates. Deprive of light, nourishment and water for extended periods and he'd probably die naturally.

Sorry for your loss. I'm not going to play armchair psychologist, because that'd be insulting, so I just hope you have good memories of her as well.

>>183869863
Whether he can or just wants to is irrelevant in that dialogue, the intent makes all the difference. What you're quoting is from the neutral ends, where he's till petal-deep in fucked-up mindset.

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>>183870130
>That doesn't mean we just kill all of them on sight, that's ludicrous
They usually do that themselves, don't they? Anyway, I think Flowey's situation is a fair bit more serious since the emotions he's lost are crucial to a monsters' fundamental being.
>Removing the resets from the equation does make things better
But after a while they'll get worse again. It's inevitable.

> Flowey otherwise would have just killed himself
He really should just kill himself after TP.

>whereas Frisk can't even touch the Amalgamates
On Pacifist. I have absolutely no idea if the same could be said during a Genocide run.

>Deprive of light, nourishment and water for extended periods and he'd probably die naturally.
Unless he's been sunbathing near the entrance to the RUINS I don't think those rules apply. He's not a normal flower.


>Sorry for your loss.
Pfft, don't be. I made the decision not to speak to her over the phone after the condition started worsening. She wouldn't have remembered my anyway. I still have good memories of her in my mind, and that's all I need.

>where he's till petal-deep in fucked-up mindset.
That's the problem. Nothing's changed from that point to now, except he no longer has the ability to SAVE and RESET and isn't stuck in a hole (well, involuntarily anyway).

He can't care because he's gained nothing that would give him the ability to do so, except memories. And memories eventually fade.

I'm quite enjoying this conversation. It's stimulating.

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>>183869863
That's not a clip from the ending now is it?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R3l4P0sNKS8

Flowey really wants Frisk to live her life, and if you do go for the reset, he asks the player or Chara to eliminate his memories too, since he couldn't bare to go through with the plan, with memories of freeing everyone intact.

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>>183870609
Well that's just too fucking bad then is it? Because that's why I gave up on the pacifist ending and considered genocide in the first place. After the whole SAVE thing I felt gyped.

Also Flowey telling you to care about something and not reset is a laugh.

>>183866985
Charafags are retarded edgelords that shit on everyone though and drive away good posters so they're much more annoying

>>183870609
>or Chara
I think people misinterpret what he says. He says the name you give to the fallen human, but I think he's talking to the player. He just doesn't know what to call you by. Also it takes place in a really weird place, as an empty black screen.

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>>183870872
>that shit on everyone though and drive away good posters
Honestly this place deserves it. Like, holy fuck, the game's been out for 2 years and there;s been absolutely nothing to justify this general continued existence. No hard mode, and the last patch was a year ago. Just give up, move on with your lives and do something else with your time.

Fuck.

>>183871034
Instead of being an asshole why don't you just leave? God knows in the short time you've been back these threads have become much worse

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>>183871205
>Instead of being an asshole why don't you just leave?
Because it's not just me. These threads are garbage with or without me.

Could a Care Bear Stare fix Flowey's emotional problems?

>>183871225
>because its not just me
Yes it really is. In the few days that you've been back this place has become much less fun to post on and full of dumb bullshit arguments and shit flinging. So fuck off

>>183870523
>They usually do that themselves, don't they?
wew lad.

>he's lost are crucial to a monsters' fundamental being.
Crucial insofar as monsters believe, but Alphys' research suggests they know less about souls than they assume. That's a different can though, Flowey's upset not because it's a core of his being, but because he couldn't feel love for the people he otherwise would have wanted to.

>He really should just kill himself after TP.
You may be interested to know that even the nips, who in general are far nicer to him, tend to picture him slipping into self-neglect and/or suicidal if left alone after TP.

>On Pacifist. I have absolutely no idea if the same could be said during a Genocide run.
The weapons just don't touch them at all, that's irrelevant of LV.

>Unless he's been sunbathing near the entrance to the RUINS I don't think those rules apply. He's not a normal flower.
No, clearly golden flowers are very durable (perhaps from ambient magic? hell knows, really) but they could likely die over time. Nothing suggests that Flowey's functionally immortal.

>That's the problem. Nothing's changed from that point to now
I don't agree with this, personally. He's very markedly different, having managed to get through at least some of the conga-line of trauma he suffered before-during-after his demise. He could articulate a lot of his thoughts to someone who not only remembers, but can understand what he's talking about to an extent.

Even well-adjusted adults would have cracked from all the shit he went through, but now he had time and a chance to throw at least some of the baggage off. He's still got a ton of stuff to deal with and his situation is by no means perfect, but it's unlikely he'll go back exactly to the way he was before the game. You'd need a sequence of events similar or worse, to end up with that.

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>>183871230
No, but if Papyrus believed in him, that'd probably do it.

>>183871291
>oh no people are actually discussing the game
Fuck you and your hugbox.

>>183871321
Stop auguring with the retarded Charafag. They've already admitted that they hate all the goats and won't talk about them in good faith or without shitting on them and just want to push their shitty "genocide is the best ending because everyone but Chara dies!"

>>183871034
I literally can't hear you over the stacks of fresh doujins I'm still getting

>>183871327
Papyrus would totally hang out with Grumpy Bear

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>>183871321
>tend to picture him slipping into self-neglect and/or suicidal if left alone after TP.
Good.

>Nothing suggests that Flowey's functionally immortal.
Nothing suggests he isn't, either. And that's the problem. There's no way to be sure.

>He's very markedly different, having managed to get through at least some of the conga-line of trauma he suffered before-during-after his demise.
Not really. He's gone from being very emotive and self-interested to talking about people in his typical disassociated manner. Like Asriel said, he's fully ceased being "himself" and has returned to the soulless flower abomination we all know and hate.

He should just stop thinking. Veg out, literally.

>>183871416
You jumping up and down, screaming like a lunatic isn't helping. I might not agree, but at least we're throwing around reasons and just as they said it, it's not a bad conversation in and of itself, we're just on very polar opposites. The rest you really should just ignore though, raving like a lunatic is helping precisely nothing.

>>183871434
Ooh goodie. High-quality fanfiction. At least the porn has a purpose and can be useful

>>183871615
He's just an asshole that gets off on pissing people off and chasing posters away and won't agure in good faith without shitting on everyone else.

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>>183871416
but were talking about flowey lol

>>183871794
Don't you have momfags and dadfags to chase away

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>>183871846
No because most of them are already gone

>>183871595
>Good.
That is, before he gets adopted by Frisk. There's a doujin I really want to find where he gets to have fun times on the surface, but freaks out when Frisk dies of an illness, takes their soul to reset, only for the situation to lead into Chara taking over and go genocidal. But I digress.

>Nothing suggests he isn't, either. And that's the problem. There's no way to be sure.
Do recall that he killed himself several times when testing out resets, it's possible he might have attempted starvation or something to that effect as well.

>Not really. He's gone from being very emotive and self-interested to talking about people in his typical disassociated manner. Like Asriel said, he's fully ceased being "himself" and has returned to the soulless flower abomination we all know and hate.
His loss of love and transformation back are both imminent, it's no surprise he's not in his right mindset. The way he talks about not being the same could really just be that as Flowey, lacking the emotional connection, he might do or say things again that he wouldn't as Asriel, and that remains a possibility since he implies they would meet again. At this point sure he can go back into being a murderous abomination, but there's even less point to it than before. Whether he remains closer to himself or not is entirely his choice and we never really see the full resolution of it.

Vegging out is certainly a possibility, but I prefer at least an attempt at rehabilitation as much as possible.

>>183871682
do you just hate everything be default, or are we special to you?

>>183872095
He literally said in the reply chain that he hates this place and wants to kill it

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>>183872015
>before he gets adopted by Frisk
Let's not bring fanfiction into this. According to his own words, he's staying put. But he also said that if Frisk sees him on the surface, to steer clear. So who knows?

>he way he talks about not being the same could really just be that as Flowey, lacking the emotional connection, he might do or say things again that he wouldn't as Asriel
And that's definitely how I see it. Definitive proof that Asriel is once again gone, and only Flowey remains.

>and we never really see the full resolution of it
Nor will we.

So, yeah, it's better if you put him, and everyone else, out of their collective misery. His death scene is also metal as fuck.

>>183872235
You are such an edgy fuck

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>>183872287
Hey man, it's just a vidya gaem. Plus genocide is definitely the most fun route, with the best bosses.

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Requesting this thread but with Chara shopped out.

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GOAT FRICK

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>>183872529
Requesting this thread but with everyone except Chara shopped out

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Early morning goatdad and fish post

>>183872235
>Let's not bring fanfiction into this.
Like I said, I digress.

>According to his own words, he's staying put. But he also said that if Frisk sees him on the surface, to steer clear. So who knows?
He says someone has to take care of the flowers, but doesn't really say Frisk should stay clear, just not to think of him as the Asriel standing before them.

>And that's definitely how I see it. Definitive proof that Asriel is once again gone, and only Flowey remains.
They're still the same, just warped in some ways. TP Flowey is more Asriel than he was during the game, he doesn't have to slip right back into the bad things. Nothing at the end suggests that this is inevitable. If Flowey's final message were that he's coming for Frisk, that'd be different, but he instead wishes the best for everyone.

>Nor will we.
Probably not.

>So, yeah, it's better if you put him, and everyone else, out of their collective misery. His death scene is also metal as fuck.
It's an intense scene for sure. I can't agree with everyone and everything dying solves things any more, but as we've established previously, we're on pretty opposite ends regarding this.

>>183872529
I wish

>>183872529
Requesting this thread with Underswap Sans shopped in.

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>>183872903
>They're still the same, just warped in some ways
I disagree.
>TP Flowey is more Asriel than he was during the game
I vehemently disagree.

>but he instead wishes the best for everyone.
Because he still remembers what it felt like to be "good" and is projecting that feeling onto his current emotionless, soulless state. But it's a quite literally hollow gesture.

>I can't agree with everyone and everything dying solves things any more
Neither can I, but I don't see how I can kill Flowey while saving everyone else. If you could just shank Asriel while hugging him things would go much more smoothly.

And before anyone says Neutral - I don't buy it. Flowey could earnestly be dead or merely pretending. It's too tough to say.

And this actually is super fucking edgy, but I much prefer plunging the knife into something that looks like Asriel. It's more cathartic that way.

Sans was right. I'm the kind of person that won't ever be happy.

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>>183872903
>I can't agree with everyone and everything dying solves things any more
Did you agree with The Batter?

>>183873350
The funny thing is you don't sound or act like Chara at all, you're more Flowey. You're not getting what you want, so instead you want to burn everything down out of petty spite, while occasionally weakly pretending it's compassion that drives you.

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>>183873519
Lol pretty much

Chara would say I'm wracked with a perverted sentimentality

Ironic, isn't it? Except Flowey at least didn't have a soul. What's my excuse?

>>183873575
You're an edgy manchild

>>183873575
Being a massive edgelord on a thai ribbon-folding forum? It's a shit excuse, but it's not like you're looking for anything better. Catharctic knife plunging is pretty far from sentimental.

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>>183873652
I guess so

But recently I've gotten even edgier. Now instead of just killing Flowey I want to give Chara Frisk's soul so they can make it to the surface and kill everyone, rendering Asriel's final good deed entirely pointless while rubbing salt in the wound by letting Chara win.

I've been in this fandom for too long.

>>183873742
please leave

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>>183873764
no

This fandom is so shit it deserves someone like me

>>183873350
>Because he still remembers what it felt like to be "good" and is projecting that feeling onto his current emotionless, soulless state. But it's a quite literally hollow gesture.
That's just as much of an assumption as anything else. Whether he really means it or not makes all the difference in this case and that doesn't require projection or anything.

>If you could just shank Asriel while hugging him things would go much more smoothly.
wew lad.

>And before anyone says Neutral - I don't buy it. Flowey could earnestly be dead or merely pretending. It's too tough to say.
As far as I recall, he stays the hell away from Frisk if you killed him in Neutral, so that might suggest he really did die.

>Sans was right. I'm the kind of person that won't ever be happy.
Under these conditions, that is fairly likely.

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>>183873742
How about you try some actual edge grounded in real events

Would you still love your fave if they were 8 and they had a very expensive to treat chronic disease

>>183873886
More than ever.

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>>183873864
>Whether he really means it or not makes all the difference in this case and that doesn't require projection or anything
But he can't actually "mean it" since he lacks the emotional equipment to do so. See what I'm getting at? Intention is irrelevant when you're physically incapable.

>so that might suggest he really did die
Maybe, but there's a world of difference between his face disappearing and being hacked into pieces.

>Under these conditions, that is fairly likely.
Yep.

Dunno what else there is to say on the matter. We've just about covered everything worth covering.

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>>183873886
Their family's old money, I think they could handle it

>>183873742
anon you could just be really fucking edgy and it'd be fine, but then you go >>183873847, and pretend like you're a hero, that just really makes you look like extremely tryhard

>>183873885
Sounds fun, I might just do that. Thanks.

>>183873886
Nope, would kill 'em.

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>>183874041
I'm just bored. I love this game but it's been 2 years with no new content except the console releases and it's 4 am. I'm just waiting for a TV show to air then I'll be gone for a while.

>>183873885
Oh shit, this guy wrote The Road too. Cool

alphys where

>>183874230
Crying in a cardboard box at the garbage dump because her parents didn't want her

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>>183874150
You could just sleep

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>>183874230
in the trash next to asgore

>>183874304
The show airs early in the morning. It's a Japanese anime

Also my sleep schedule is awful

>>183873986
>But he can't actually "mean it" since he lacks the emotional equipment to do so. See what I'm getting at? Intention is irrelevant when you're physically incapable.
I disagree, intent should always be extremely relevant. If anything, intent without being able matters even more, because you above and beyond for it.

>Maybe, but there's a world of difference between his face disappearing and being hacked into pieces.
Would need a flower coroner to verify.

>Dunno what else there is to say on the matter. We've just about covered everything worth covering.
More or less, yeah. Neither of us is convincing the other, but thank you for the discussion all the same. Take care, anon.

>>183874386
Do what Mspg does. Drink heavily or take sleep meds. He does both at the same time sometimes, and that is bad.

>>183874503
>Drink heavily or take sleep meds
Fuck that man. I'm not a booze hound and I know those pills fuck you up and get you dependent. I'll level out in due time

>>183874503
I drink this gin because it was a mistake to buy it and I must suffer for it

>>183874637
Better than being an edgelord.

>>183874416
>If anything, intent without being able matters even more, because you above and beyond for it
I think it's more him doing something that he no longer cares about, but considers to be the "right" thing to do. He doesn't care about those people, but still remembers when he could, which was just a short time ago. As that time gets more and more distant so will his memories of it.

>Take care, anon.
You to, faggot.

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>>183874696
Not really. At least I'm a healthy edgelord without a substance abuse problem

>>183874812
>Healthy
stress isn't healthy for you.

>>183875321
I'm not that stressed really. In fact keeping my stress relatively low is one of the most important things to me.