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Best Warchief Edition

What's new?

>Garrosh Hellscream announced
>https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/888051090494595072

>Stukov - Starcraft Support; Now LIVE
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20886131/
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes/stukov/
https://youtu.be/KBBUVUmzxKk [Embed]

>Sun's Out, Guns Out Summer Event and Sweepstakes; Now LIVE
>New summer themed skins, mounts, and sprays
>Event ends the week of July 24th
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20838724/
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20852963/
https://youtu.be/mAolE6W_l9I
https://youtu.be/2RNtPcvCf8Q
>Heroes of the Storm 2.0
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20695700/
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes20/

>For New Players
>Welcome to Heroes of the Storm
https://youtu.be/wPk004vsjuE
>Official Community Resources, Guides, and Tips
>Talent Calculators, Statistics, Youtubers, and more
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/guides-resources/
>Tier lists are effective guidance tools, but should never be blindly followed
http://www.heroescounters.com/map
http://www.robogrub.com/tierlist
http://www.tentonhammer.com/articles/heroes-of-the-storm-tier-list

>Current Weekly Sale
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20881854/
>Current Weekly Brawl
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20904307/
>Current Patch Notes
http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/blog/20888403/

>Where can I find fellow GM players stuck in gold because me bunga team?
"/join /vg/" in game chat
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>>183305065
best warchief is saurfang though
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>>183305065
>https://twitter.com/BlizzHeroes/status/888051090494595072
How do I save that gif from twatter?
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GARROSHFAGS ASSEMBLE
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>>183305561
Not all competition, but competition in the form of a video game, sure.

But you weren't talking about whether or not it's meaningful, of course it's not meaningful, it's a fucking video game. You were talking about "pretending you are good at something, even if it isn't genuine" Just because there is no meaning to the game, that doesn't mean someone can't be good at the game.

Just because there is no value or any divine or practical meaning to being able to dunk a basketball, that doesn't mean that Lebron James isn't good at basketball, or that those skills can't or wouldn't translate to other areas.
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previous thread:
>>183269907
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I would love the concept of the Bloodseeker ult, but it just doesn't match with orc warrior. Warriors never had ability like that. Yes, they have rend and deep wounds but those are the only bleeds they got
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>>183305971
https://video.twimg.com/tweet_video/DFL9jldVwAAaVab.mp4
Here sweetie
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I just want an eredar waifu. they're the best buttsluts
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>>183306231
I ANSWER....... TO NO ONE!
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So this is where all the grannies are, huh?.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFdsbRQiR3Q
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Now in Warlords of Draenor, since absolutely nothing is Thrall’s fault and it’s completely Garrosh’s, Thrall goes out to kill the man he had damned. He challenges Garrosh to a Mak’gora, a duel which Thrall ruled was not to the death. Yet he did it in the traditional sense.

But you know, this honestly can’t even be considered a Mak’gora. A Mak’gora is a challenge of honor, and Thrall has none. He’d be a terrible PvPer. So the rules of a Mak’gora are the following:

Each Participant is allowed to use one weapon Body armor is forbidden Each participant needs at least one witness And so here is what Thrall does. He challenges Garrosh, and where Garrosh shows up in nothing but his pants, boots and belt, Thrall is there in full body armor. They’re completely alone in the field, though I’m going to assume that the player is to be Thrall’s witness. And so they fight, Garrosh screams to Thrall over how he was abandoned, and how Thrall made him what he was. Thrall responds by saying, in a nutshell, “You did this to yourself lol look at this” and killed Garrosh with his elemental magic.

So I don’t know about you, but that doesn’t seem very Mak’gora-like. Thrall used a total of three weapons (Doomhammer, molten rock, and lightning), he showed up in armor, and Garrosh had no witness to speak of, so nobody was there to call Thrall out on his murderous bull#$%^.

So we have Thrall, who took a man who looked up to him as a father, and he ruined him utterly and completely, then blamed Garrosh for being ruined, and when someone told Thrall “Hey you’re wrong” he throws a tantrum, he risks the lives of Horde soldiers to needlessly go after someone, then he challenges Garrosh to honorable combat, cheats, and is hailed as a hero for it. Fook thrall

^
Who was in the wrong here?
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>>183306686
Needs to be a webm imo
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>>183306551
Rend and Deep wounds kind if fill this niche though. Having just a boring dot tacked onto shit is fine in an MMO, but they are allow freedom in a MOBA to turn boring shit into fun shit.

Anti-movement is a godsend fir this game. Thank you based Blizz.
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>>183306368
You are correct and I was not wording my point of view correctly.

I'll be honest, I need to get back to work and stop getting into stupid arguments on 4chan but I'm sure our POVs are not as far apart as it may seem.

My point was that it is to be expected that someone would be unhappy about being bad in a video game. Since video games are designed such that you feel happy to be good at them.
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>stukov got more hype when he was announced than garrosh
Is kel'thuzad the only warcraft character left people would be super hyped for?
>inb4 waifufags
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>>183307005
I got you
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>>183305065
Q-Invoke Combat-Skillshotcharge-Channeled root and dot. Channel isn't broken by damage. Garraosh tosses his axe down and pummels the opponent while rooting them
W - Rage swipe - after two seconds all damage Garrosh has receives is unleashed in an aoe around him. He heals for a percentage of the damage dealt
E - STRIKE NOW! - Allies gain 100% attack damage on their next attack and movement speed for 3 seconds

Basically built to dog pile the shit out of Mobility fags
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>>183306551
A rend or deep wounds that amplifies and/or refreshes on movement. Is that really too much of a stretch?

>>183307281
>KT and Garrosh
Haven't been this excited for hero releases in a while.
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>>183307281
The whole alliance and the retarded horde players (mostly le 420 trollfags) hate Garrosh so it make sense.
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>>183306231
Lok'tar, brother.
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>>183307281
Probably. New blizzard peeps know him from HS, old ones from WoW, old old from WC3.
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>>183307372
Hell yeah fuckin nice!
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>>183307372
Thanks anon
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>The Dark Portal
>Teasing Garrosh
I told you Blizzard was this retarded.

Also
>Garrosh
God, one of the most overrated fucking characters. At least he's actually a fun character, still overrated as shit though.
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>>183308391
And why would you not tease an orc with the dark portal?
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>>183308391
Thanks for copying my post over for no real reason so I didn't have to.
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>>183308391
>God, one of the most overrated fucking characters. At least he's actually a fun character, still overrated as shit though.
He's literally the best Warchief and best Orc, though.
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>>183306231
HEH GREETINGS

Finally my HS leader is in! Just need the little boy now and the HS collection will be complete!
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>>183307487
It's still kind of surprising considering stukov is only like a couple steps above maiev in his universe as far as importance goes. I guess warcraft fatigue has really taken hold of the hots community.
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>>183309368
>guess warcraft fatigue has really taken hold of the hots community.
It was the fact that he is a healer and he can fucking solo heal just wait for the next solo tank if you want to see hype.
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>>183309459
What would garrosh be if not a tank?
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>>183309598
>Gorehowl
>tank

doubt.jpg
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>>183309598
He can be a tank, a bruiser or assassin.
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>>183309672
they made tassadar and stukov supports
they made rexxar the hunter a warrior
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>>183309672
If any orc was going to be a tank it'd be gorrash.

>>183309721
>or assassin
I doubt they are going to add yet another warcraft assassin with how much shit they already get.
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>>183308712
Said: Everyone.

Because, again, overrated. He also did nothing wrong!!!!!!!!!!!
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>>183310129
We have to wait and see but I don't see a problem not to mention a bruiser is literally and assassin but bulky like Sonya.
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>>183309672
Muradin dual wields.
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Why do I suddenly have 5 Sun's out chests?
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>>183310692
blizzard's shitty lottery event that nobody even knows exists

you could have won 50 chests or a 3-foot illidan statue or something
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Wait a sec, do people know his moves already?
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>>183310692
>Rewards are out
>Third week in a row without getting anything while playing every day
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>>183310940
no they are makign shit up
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>>183310692

>No email from Blizz

I dunno why I'm surprised.
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Why do people shit on Valeera so much? I'm 5-0 with her in QM today. She's basically a beefier, less bursty Zeratul with slightly more situational utility

>inb4 >QM
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why are you newfags using this thread

the other one was made earlier
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>>183311285
zeratul has blink and seeker
valeera relies on the enemy team being bad enough at seeing stealth shimmer that she can just walk into melee range, and then she has no way back out
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>>183311285
She's easily countered. Zeratul can blink away at least, Valeera is screwed if she doesn't kill her target. Plus her stealth is worse.
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>>183311285
>Why do people shit on an easily counterable hero when I can get wins in the mode where no drafting happens??
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>>183311285
Except for the whole thing about Zeratul having way more damage, way more mobility, one of the best ults in the game, and the ability to still blow someone the fuck up if he gets knocked out of stealth as opposed to being useless and dying.
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>>183310184
Says you, faggot.

Garrosh IS the best Warchief.
and he did NOTHING wrong.

Fuck you.
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>>183311285

Valeera is as good as the enemy is shit. She's like The Spy.
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>No kel'thuzad
>No maiev
>No old gods
>no hakkar
>no dragon aspects
>no demons
>no dranei
>no daelin
>no titan constructs
>no naga
>no thunder king
>no klaxxi
>no quiraj

If you NEED to add yet another orc, at least it should have been Saurfang or Nazgrim.
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>>183311285
When you're up against decent people and feel about as threatening as a minion wave you'll see.
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>garrosh
>literally who
can i get a quick rundown on this faggot
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>>183311608
>Not just decloaking and two shotting people as Spy

although last I heard they nerfed the ambassador so you can't do that anymore but I haven't played in years
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>>183311987
no
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>>183311386
>calling people newfags
>posted your shit early as fuck
End your life
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>>183311608
>tfw we will never get a spy character who can disguise as the enemy and have a dead ringer
kill me
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183311987
(you)
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>>183311718

>No kel'thuzad
i agree he needs to be in the game. they're probably gonna make him their next big multiclass hero

>No maiev
i don't get the hype, she's a shit waifu

>No old gods
how do you even implement old gods in this game without ripping off abathur's skillset?

>no hakkar
again, a literal god

>no dragon aspects
would be cool

>no demons
the problem is there are so few named or important demons outside of dreadlords and pit lords. i would love for a satyr or voidwalker or succubus hero (or even a warlock hero that uses these) but i can't think of any important ones in the lore

>no dranei
this is inexcusable indeed

>no daelin
meh

>no titan constructs
literally dwarfs

>no naga
also inexcusable. one of the most iconic races (even moreso than draenei desu) still not represented in the game. we absolutely need one.

>no thunder king
would be cool as fugg

>no klaxxi
would be cool

>no quiraj
would be cool
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>>183312156
>Implying that's not exactly what a Dreadlord hero would do unless they just copied their WC3 abilities like lazy cunts
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>>183311987
He was weeping in nagrand then thrall said come join the horde so he said okay, then he is warchief because thrall needed to talk to the elements, then he declared he hated all horde races except orcs, so people like him because they are orc fans who only like orcs.

He was popularized in hearthstone
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>>183311987
a mix of uncle sam and donald trump
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>>183306231
So ready I immediately prepared pictures for when he inevitably dumpsters fucking everyone like a true orc.
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>>183306857
>Who was in the wrong here
Blizzard storywriters for sure
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>>183311987
he is the hs warrior character and he says "heh, greetings" and then armors up
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>>183306857

Too many people ignore the fact that Thrall literally murdered Garrosh in cold blood.

I'm just glad Blizzard finally owned up to his bullshit. In Legion he says the elements don't really heed his call anymore, ever since the duel.
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>>183312254
>literally dwarfs

you know what I mean
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>>183312254
>the problem is there are so few named or important demons outside of dreadlords and pit lords. i would love for a satyr or voidwalker or succubus hero (or even a warlock hero that uses these) but i can't think of any important ones in the lore

What? There's more than enough named non-pitlord/dreadlord demons. KJ, Archimonde, Xavius, Kazzak. They could even just add a Fel Reaver.
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>>183311987
supreme mustard race dipshit who invades a bunch of people then gets electrocuted by thrall
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>>183312254
>how do you even implement old gods in this game without ripping off abathur's skillset?

Core replacement hero that hats the enemy heroes to give them madness shit debuffs.
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>Get Genji
>Maybe he takes some skill
>Play him
>Get 2 charges of Jump
>No
>Get ambushed very well while off guard
>Stunned
>They damage me hard
>Leave
>HUE ARE NOT PRE-
>Xblade
>Leave

So basically Genji removes the ability for the enemy team to use the last 20% of there hp and you cannot die unless you are just competently not paying attention for an extended period of time.

Normally I play an "OP" hero and come away thinking "Oh I SEE the weakness now", but Genji is basically untouchable, to the piont were it's absurd.

He can murder any low hp opponent with 0 risk and while investing only 2 seconds away from a team fight and then pop right back in. There is simply no such thing as being Ming/Chromie/Kael/whatever and trying to provide a few shots from a safe distance if your hp is low.

I don't even understand why these new heroes even have mana bars at this point. He never runs out.

His Reset either need to be taken out or to work like Greymane's Ultimate where he gets a free cast window. His hp could also be lowered. No one can do anything remotely close to what he does aside from Tracer, who has to blow her entire kit and wait for long cool-downs to do it again.

2 jumps lmfao, QM is basically ruined, not that it was good before. If you ever die ever you are bad at Genji.
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>>183312901
How do I subscribe to this blog?
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>>183312254
>tfw no wilfred fizzlebang hero that summons jaraxxus as his heroic but dies in the process giving the enemy xp
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>>183313030
>alliance warlock

don't they specifically not allow this shit?
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>>183312873
You play a Acolyte of the old gods, you leap in and out of the bodies of allies and enemies.

Enemy bodies will spit you out after awhile so you have to time jumps very well, if you get carried off you're fucked. With talents your ult "Swallows" you ally and you control a temporary hero.

You can do a Leoric style drain from allies and force enemies to dash in a direction. However you will die along side any body you are in, including enemies.
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>>183311285
>>183311472
>>183311509

Just another OP Stealth cancer hero that Blizzard refuses to fix.
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@183313419
not even worth a (You)
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>>183313419
they're looking into changing stealth as a whole
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>>183313006
You're here for life or until you get fed up enough with this game.
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>>183313419
It's only an issue in QM where you can't ensure you're getting vision. That's it. Your complaint should rather lie in the terrible QM matchmaking that they refuse to fix, as opposed to the hero itself.
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>>183312824
>>183311987
The best Warchief to ever live.
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>The Dawngate opens.
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>level 15 murky chest
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>>183311472
>Valeera is screwed if her target doesnt die

Not really, you pop unrevealble and there's never enough AOE to kill her fat hp bar. She's still shit though because she's a stealth cancer.

Zeratul is the only one who can actually do anything about a big fat fuck ball comin down the lane.
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>>183313683

He's even laughing at you.
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>>183313567
>>183313498
>as opposed to the hero itself.
It's not the hero itself, it's the mechanic itself (Stealth) which Blizzard simply copy/pasted from Warcraft III without balancing it. It allows players to get risk-free skill-free kills at the click of a button. It's anti-fun cancer and should be removed and reworked entirely if Blizzard values the health of the game.

>>183313503
At least not everyone there is an idiot. Now if they can fix Stun too they'll have a decent moba on their hands.
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>>183313683

>Summer event was a mistake


really, they fucked with the drop rates only because of the summer skins and the shit mount
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>>183311987
le ebin did nothing wrong orc best orc

Basically though, he was a side character who was being built up to do some great things, then the typical 'but he became bad!!!" Blizzard trope got to him, and he became a racist Orc who was now Warchief, and used his power as Warchief to dig around and find an ancient forbidden Pandaren artifact that he then tried to use to take over pretty much everything, and cleanse Azeroth of anything that wasn't an Orc.

So he's "based" because, well exactly that. Everyone loves that shit, and slobbers all over his dick for it.
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>>183313793
>if Blizzard values the health of the game.

Okay, so you should just give up hope of it ever being fixed then, because lmaooooo. I mean for fuck sake, we've had heroes that desperately need reworks so much more than heroes that actually ARE getting reworks, and they still don't give a fuck.
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>>183313886
>find an ancient forbidden Pandaren artifact
I know you're giving a quick rundown but fuck that sounds stupid. An ancient... panda artefact? with power so immense it was forbidden? who wrote this shit
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>>183313793

You would shit blood if Riki was in this game
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>>183313793
Stealth isn't OP. You usually don't see non-stealth ranged heroes unless they're in damage range anyway. It's the same thing as a normal gank, only you can see a shimmer. As soon as you leave Bronze, you stop being a faggot about stealth.
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hero spotlight when

I know based on warcraft he'd probably be more of a bruiser but I hope he's able to provide some kind of tank for his team
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>>183313886
>>183314131
wasn't the artifact the heart of an old god (Y'Shaarj?) and it was actually corruption number #2905 that made him wanna kill anything
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>>183314470
Makgora is like Varian Taunt but noone else can attack/heal them during the honorable duel, not even thrall the cheater.
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>>183314470
>really cool new system interactions for him

What could this mean
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>>183314470
>pr guy saying he's excited for the new product
got me hyped already...
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>>183314131
See
>>183314625

It wasn't just some normal artifact, it was related to the Old Gods. It actually isn't as retarded as it sounds, only the fact that they swung his character the way they did, or at all for that matter.
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>>183314647

New system interactions I think
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In which league are you considered decent for the masses - diamond and up?
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>>183314770
Yeah. I find anyone under grandmaster intolerably stupid, though.
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>>183314770
Diamond I/Masters
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>>183314152
Yes, because he's insanely broken and poorly designed. Dota2 is the worst MOBA because it's a direct copy of the Warcraft III mod the entire genre is based on, awfully designed and balance mechanics and all.

>>183314395
>an ability that allows you to instantly bypass risk-vs-reward (the basis for all competitive games) with the click of a button isn't OP.
Tell me more.

>You usually don't see non-stealth ranged heroes unless they're in damage range anyway. It's the same thing as a normal gank
None of that has anything to do with what makes Stealth grossly OP, but even taking what you've said at face value would only support the idea of reworking Stealth

>As soon as you leave Bronze, you stop being a faggot about stealth.
I'm higher ranked and smarter than you and have played MOBAs since a Warcraft III mod called DotA came out. Stealth is a broken, imbalanced, anti-fun and anti-skill mechanic that was ultimately a direct copy/paste of a Dungeons and Dragons ability from the 1970's and has no place in 3D gaming space.
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>deflect build genji versus Tracer

literally 95% deflect uptime
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>>183315367
>Yes, because he's insanely broken and poorly designed.
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>Garrosh's trait
>if he hets hit by Thrall's Q, he's instakilled
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>>183315448
>not an argument
Tell me more about how fun 'denying' minions (ie killing my own NPCs) is, and how last-hitting minions for gold/exp isn't tedious and boring as absolute fuck. Blizzard has fixed many cancerous issues with the genre, Stealth and Stun are simply the next ones.
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>>183314770
I'd say Diamond V is reasonable if you're new to genre and/or ground it out from Bronze-Gold. Diamond has the issue where fresh accounts can (quite easily) place into it.

>>183315658
thrall cheated delet
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>>183315370
>Thrall Windfury's you for half your life because you have no Dodge
hehh... nothin' personnel, kid
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>>183315370
>playing genji vs a samuro
>he gets bladestorm
>he even upgrades it at 20
with the w quest talent at lvl 20 I managed to get 4 kills just by standing where all three bladestorms intersected.
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>>183314470
>Turn out he's "Hearthstone Garrosh" and is a core replacement hero that deals cards
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>>183312271
gods work anon
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>>183315367
>an ability that allows you to instantly bypass risk-vs-reward (the basis for all competitive games) with the click of a button isn't OP.
I feel much safer with D.va than any other stealthie in the game. If you're going to talk about risk-vs-reward, you should be whining about her.

Seriously, get out of Bronze first.
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>>183315817
>Seriously, get out of Bronze first.
>m-muh bronze
I'm higher ranked than you, asswipe. Get a new (non-)argument.

You feeling more 'safe' with D.Va is irrelevant to the overwhelming advantage Stealth gives.

Genji is imbalanced by degree (insane and unfair mobility), but Stealth is an imbalanced mechanic due to its core design. Incomparable difference.
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>>183315658
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>>183314470
>>183314647
Literally Bloodseeker ult. They know.
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>>183316376

>t.Silver 5
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>>183316376
>Stealth is an imbalanced mechanic due to its core design
...maybe in QM.
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>>183316503
>still the same non-argument
>still wrong
Boring.
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>>183316710
As opposed to Boring Draft Mode? heh

But not, it's imbalanced for the reasons already given earlier ITT.
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EVERYTHING I DON'T LIKE IS IMBALANCED AND OPPRESSIVE!.
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>>183317001
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/strawman
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>>183316710
>oppressive to new/bad players
>might as well not exist past a certain mmr

then again no matter what they do stealth'll always upset some crowd
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So,whats your longest game?
>double digit plants
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>>183317252
>then again no matter what they do stealth'll always upset some crowd
Not if it's reworked in a way that allows for sufficient risk and counterplay to exist.
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>>183317286
45 minutes silver city brawl.
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>>183317286
45 minute Tomb, both teams had everything destroyed but were made of super squishy heroes so whenever there was a teamfight no one could push or take any advantage as they were too low on health.
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>>183317286
40 mins on braxis, was with 4 other /vg/ shitters but we had the best possible comp to shred a full zerg wave in mere seconds so we just waited and finally managed to win with a boss push
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>another filthy orc nigger
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>>183319225
Cry more bitch-tears, bitch. Garrosh should have been in since beta.
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>>183319225
>I'm 14 and this is funny
kys
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>>183315717
>thrall tries to walk at you
>teleport half a screen away
>thrall roots you
>become invincible for longer than the root duration, THEN teleport half a screen away
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>>183319565
Why would you let other knows you are underage?
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>>183313793
>now if they can fix stun

Found the lolbabb.
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t-thanks i guess
>was a common chest
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Garrosh is our Trump
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>>183320354

I would like it if they gave him a voice line like "Make The Horde great again!" if you clicked on him enough times.
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>>183320467
Maybe. They gave a similar line to Urgot.

>>183320258
Very nice.
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>>183320354
>Not Genn
>The guy who built a literal wall
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>Garrosh coming to HotS
>I can Garroshpost again

This is the best news I've gotten all year.
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>>183320724
Fuck you for reminding me about WoD's existence. What a joke of an expansion, from the ground up.
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>>183316376
Not him, but I'm grandmaster, and you're a blatant idiot. Off yourself.
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>>183320794
Wasnt Garrosh generally liked by Horde players?
Why did they make him into Hitler.
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>>183320973
Not him, but how do I get out of Silver?
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>>183320794
so would you say that the times have changed?
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>>183321047
dude
corruption
lmao

Wonder if Jaina or Sylvanas is next up.
Anduin, even.

>>183321069
Not him but if you're looking to cheese your way out just play Azmodan or Zagara and eat structures.
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>>183321069
Work on your mechanics. Out duelling people is the easiest method, particularly since no one below diamond ever groups, so you can do it all game.
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>orcs make up 15% of azeroth, but commit 50% of pking
what did jaina mean by this?
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next hero is doomfist to coincide with his release in overwatch
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>>183321193
Jaina has been ax crazy since Pandaria,it might happen but shes not nearly as intimidating as other big shots.
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>>183321047
No.

Alliance never cared for him from the beginning because they never interacted with him. Horde dealt with him in TBC as a crybaby bitch who is brooding that his dad fucked everything up. WotLK he was a hot-blooded apprentice to Thrall who was clearly in over his head, and in his position because of nepotism. Outside of Borean Tundra, ToC and ICC, he's never really even seen. Then Cata came around, and he had a few quest chains that made him out to be a pretty likable guy, but most of those were due to miscommunication between the writing team and design team. Once people finally started to like him, they went with the original plan of making him Hitler.
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>>183321218
But I'm always forced to play support because everyone else is locking shitty assassins.
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>>183320098
>outplays you
Hahaa f*ck off kiddo no dodge no tru ninja
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>>183321348
In WotLK you also have to deal with the two psychopaths he appointed to be in charge of Dragonblight and Grizzly Hills.
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>>183321348
>they went with the original plan of making him Hitler
Actually, the original plan they had in Cata was for him to get redeemed in the end. Not become a full-on villain. But... Plans change.
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>>183315662
it's funny because rikis stealth isn't even an issue, it's fucking smoke cloud and his phase.
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>>183321586
Writing a redemption ark must have been too difficult for them so they took the easy route.

Dude.
HITLER
Lmao!
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>>183321586
>when you forget to set up Pandaria villains properly
Lei Shen was such a wasted opportunity.

Best mage when
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>>183321586
Garrosh doesn't need redemption. He has nothing to redeem, he did nothing wrong.
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>>183321586
https://www.engadget.com/2014/11/11/alex-afrasiabi-on-warlords-garrosh-and-alternate-azeroth/

>So Stonetalon ...

>Me.

>You did Stonetalon?

>I did Stonetalon.

>I didn't stick to that path with Garrosh. I didn't -- not everyone was on board. Not everyone got the memo as it were, as we were designing -- and that was my fault. Because when you're doing, when you're trying -- because I was actually trying to bring Garrosh around, and Stonetalon was going to be the first of that. Cataclysm was pretty crazy time for us.

>You had so much to do.

>We did quite a lot of work. So I feel like there was a little bit of miscommunication on my part that kind of led to Garrosh going down another, darker path. So there's an interesting tidbit for you.

They didn't know what they were going to do. The plan was to make him go evil, but they were having issues with communication and some quests slipped through.

It shows in-game too, like how despite talking about honor and how war crimes are forbidden by the Horde, he destroys Ashenvale and royally fucks up the Night Elves.
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>>183321702
Is not about difficulty is about the whole alliance and hordefags bitching about him and begging for the frog kisser.
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Ana added when
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youre in the nexus sand this guy slaps your gf's ass, what do you do?
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GARITHOS WHEN
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>>183321871
I mean... It's an all-out war. Why is suddenly fucking up Alliance's territory and bombing their cities too evil?

>muh Geneva convention war crimes in a violent fantasy world
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>>183322141
Make fun of his skin.
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>>183322141
Dive him with my Butcher, lamb him and get him mad by returning all those stacks to nothing.
>but Counterstrike
Lasts one second and he has to activate it prior to the stun, so if you just wait until HE has activated counterstrike, the 1 second delay on lamb will ensure he'll always get chained afterwards. He WILL die.
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>>183322141
My gf is obviously dead from the impact, so prepare the funeral, I guess

>>183322275
Literally who
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>>183322319
Is about "muh orc honor" that place was nothing but a school for young druids AND taurens. He should have bombed a militar base like the one they had in the frontier but he used the super bomb there.
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>>183322141
ask him to slap mine too
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>>183322319
It's just contradictory to say that Stonetalon was a mistake when Ashenvale is a-okay. Not to mention the literal holocaust Sylvanus was pulling in Eastern Kingdoms. You could say that he's ignorant to what she was doing, sure, but if you have someone you already don't trust who is alone and halfway across the planet in the thick of enemy territory, you're retarded if you leave them unchecked.

Plus, Hordies get all up in arms blubbering about "m-muh camp taurajo" every time the Alliance claims they were acting like dicks.
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>>183322454
>Literally who
The hero Azeroth needs, but not the one it deserves.
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Is there a youtube channel where I can watch highlights of pro matches?
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>>183322726
He's the single goddamn reason the Blood Elves are Horde now. So I guess he"s really an Alliance hero.
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>>183322837
God bless. If he had his way, they'd be no one's problem.
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>>183322726
Why would I want to prevent the best outcome?
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strongest spec to pick on towers of doom? i'm new
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>>183322726
>thinks he's too good for Blood Elves but somehow dumb enough to trust Sylvanas and the undead
Garithos a shit and got what he deserved.
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>>183323146
abathur
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>>183321352
Then play a support that kills people. Uther because he's broken, Rehgar and Monk.
Or stop being a whiny cuck and say you're playing damage.
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>>183311718
Old gods need a map
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>>183322726
>>183322924
>>
Still no:

>Maiev
>Kel'Thuzad
>Blackthorne
>Mengsk


why blizz
feels badman
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>>183323547
>The icon is the icon for Purge

It's the little things in this WebM that get me every time.
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>>183321710
Lei Shen was awesome, I hope he is added to HOTS
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>>183323643
>Mengsk
And how is he is supposed to fight? With his dick? He isn't a fighter, even less than Stukov (at least Stukov was infested and can use some zerg stuff). All by himself he is as strong as abathur
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>no Stormsnout Brewery map with booze spirits
>Pandaria had only had 80 minutes of music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1waVSu4adDM
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since you guys complain so much about "not a waifu" make a damn list about who you would like to have in hots
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>>183323824
"Lightning, seek my foes!"
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>>183324038
He's already been quasi-confirmed, without a doubt he's being worked on and will be released.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=54TlPVyrKiQ

He would play as a sort of commander specialist type hero. Probably a mix of Abathur/Azmodan/Probius
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>>183324239
Literally every fictional character ever created that isn't in Overwatch.
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>>183320703
>no harem
>no rape
>no genocide
>no slave labor
Genn is a chump
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>>183324239
The list is as follows:

- Kel'Thuzad
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>>183324239
none of them because i am not a degenerate
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>>183324256
He has a good aesthetic, his skin potential would be through the roof
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>>183324483
I doubt they'll start adding random raid bosses now, and he's nowhere near as popular as Ragnaros.
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>>183321047
>>183321348
>le miscommunication

Afrasiabi tried to write an interesting character but Metzen shut it down because Thrall's his self-insert and nobody else gets to be the orc posterboy
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>>183324317
m'dan too ? or whatever was his name?
i'm sure there are characters that don't have anything interesting despite being named
>>183324453
while i like good-looking characters , you may aswell call everything that isn't a waifu a husbando and get over with it
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>>183324637
>tfw millions of people missed out on Pandaria because "m-muh kung fu panda"
>It was the best expansion to date

It's a real shame.
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>>183324239
The entire overwatch roster
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>>183324637
He appeals to the Chinamen too though and we all know how much Blizzard loves to keep them pleased.
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>>183324654
I mean, most of the writing team is Jewish. They would never pass an opportunity to write a Hitler villain and kill him. Especially an orc, since they're the main enemy of the Mary-Jew Draenei.
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>>183324775
i'll take 300 nameless grunts before another overwatch hero , thank you
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>>183324761
I hear you, anon. I was laughing at first but now I miss it and nostalgia hits me hard.
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>>183325023
Sending another letter to blizz asking for Ana while creating a sob story about my grandmother~
Full OW domination soon =3=
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>>183324637
If literalwho characters like Lunara can get in, I think Lei Shen has a pretty good chance
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>>183325207
Lunara was clearly added to match Enchantress though.
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>>183325023
>tfw you'd actually be cool with some OW heroes, but they've added all the most degenerate and disgusting heroes to HotS first
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>>183325179
Ana would actually be okay, but I worry she'd push out Morales as best sustained single target healer.

They'd obviously have to complete change the numbers on her kit, long ranged hard cc should in no way be in a game where characters are mostly immobile. And her grenade flat out denying healing would be busted as shit
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>>183325207
Everyone remembers the Dryad from WC3. An end boss from a mid-tier raid from a forgotten WoW expansion, not so much.
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>>183325207
We needed a dryad in the game
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>>183325368
It'll probably be more like a slow-regen effect rather than a complete shut down.

>>183325341
But they haven't added Hanzo yet.
>>
What if Overwatch was created for the sole purpose of having a bigger pool for heroes added to HotS, so that they don't run out any time soon?

That and also being a cancerous tumblr videogame for attracting faggots to Blizzard games.
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>>183324239
KelThuzad
Maeiv
Lady Snek
Manarothchild
Shadow Shaman/ Voljin
Vroom Vroom car from Rockn'Roll Racers just to see what they'd do with it
Pallete Swap Red Archimonde


Also I would like a Greymane skin like this
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I wanna pet Shadowpaw Li Li!
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>>183325738
- Fuccboi the Priest
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They really need to release a few more OW characters so we can get that OW daily.


Retro characters too.

>Kyle Blackthorne Vlaros
>Snake Sanders
>Fang & Torch
>Sarlac
>Tomator
>Cyberhawk
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>>183325984
>Actually wanting an OW daily

For what purpose?
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>>183325710
>so that they don't run out any time soon?
They have so many characters to pull from even without OW.
It was created exclusively because jeff was about to be fired.

>>183325984
>retro characters
>as they add retro games (or remasters) to bnet launcher since they've now fixed it to allow for more games
yes pls
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>>183326068
why not?
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>>183326175
Because they'd force you to play OW heroes.
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>>183326209

so what?
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>>183326085
Wasn't it ike made from the scraps of Project Titan? But then they realized they want to milk WoW more?
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>>183326283
>>>/r/cuckold
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>>183326283
I don't understand your question.
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>>183317636
Were you all the same hero.

I got caught in like a 55 minute silver city brawl, and we were all kael'thas
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>>183326371
It was made because Blizz wanted a WoW 2.0.
They turned to milking hearthstone and wow some more to get back that 500m investment.
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>>183326581
>tfw got a SCB as all malthael
>58 minutes
>game ended with both teams at 30
>>
To be honest after they shown Dark Portal and the green-eyed silouette I was more hyped about Kil Jaeden than Garrosh and I still am. We need some hardcore evil WoW villains and I wouldn't consider Garrosh as one of those. Rather demons, like Eredar, Dreadlords, Pitlords, we lack all of those, or even Lich (but I assume he will be soon anyways)
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>>183326803
>all Malthael
>58 minutes

Good grief.
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>>183326954
Imagine a game with no burst damage, no siege damage, and no range.

Now imagine everybody being able to constantly sustain themselves, and each teamfight ending with either one or none left standing.

Now imagine this for an hour.
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>>183327050
I imagine the novelty wears off quicker than an all Murky 5v5
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>>183327458
There was never a novelty to that match.
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>>183326925
It seems that they're releasing a lot of the more requested heroes so after we get through the 10 or so highly requested heroes / iconic heroes it should be interesting to see what they do.
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>>183305065
meh... garrosh... an fail orc that haven't acomplished anything important. If only it was Grom.
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>>183327767
>Give your people over to demons
>Then do it again

What an accomplishment.
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>>183313628
Marah > Sonya
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>>183327810
w/e garrosh still sucks
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>>183327767
>cursed orcs forever
what a hero
>>
>>183322141
MMMMMMMMMMMMM ACCEPTABLE
>>
Does anyone know who the annoying kid Dunktrain is always talking to on stream is
>>
Why do people not realize how valuable soak is?

One wave = about half a hero kill
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>another hero from warcraft
>it is cuckrosh the snowflake
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>>183324317
I can't wait to play as Brainy Smurf and Romeo.
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>>183322837
he was a cuck anod nothing else
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>>183327810
>then stop doing it and suddenly become a hero
>then keep not doing it in another life but then you're a villain again for some reason
>then become a good guy again because why not
Poor guy must be so confused.
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>>183328187
bambam? That's his irl friend, he's like #1 or 2 gm
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>>183327895
Wait this game, what was it again?>
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>>183324239
>since you guys complain so much about "not a waifu"
talk for yourself, only hotheads complain about "hurr durr waifus"
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>>183328494
that's paladins
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>>183328423
He sounds like the ex-pro player Biceps
>>
>>183328597
Totally-not-an-Overwatch-ripoff-to-make-money-off-of-budget-players-and-ride-on-the-genre's-popularity-wave-just-like-Smite
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>>183327810
still better than liberating the spawn of y'shaarj over a whole continent and stealing it's imprisoned heart because o "muh real horde"
>>
>>183328748
It is him
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>>183328757
I thought people actually liked Smite.
>>
If the next hero isn't Maiev then I'll.. I'll...!
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>>183328761
https://youtu.be/tC-ol6xY5zQ

Daily reminder that Garrosh did nothing wrong.

>>183328843
That doesn't change the facts, though. I like HotS even though it's the same thing to League of Legends as Paladins is to OW. And OW is to TF2...
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>>183328843
Nobody has ever liked anything lowrez has released. People just vaguely like the ideas.
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>>183329040
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMXtMj59Tr4
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>>183329040
cuckrrosh apologist are cancer
>>
>>183322454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNv9nR7QVPk
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>>183326283
It's bad though. It'd be another 200 gold quest. Which lowers your average income because the chance of getting a "3 wins/8 games" quest is lowered.
You actively want to get LESS gold for some reason. That is not rational. Think it through again, if you still want an OW quest you're simply beyond help, a true blizzdrone.
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>>183329489
Glorious Warchief Garrosh Hellscream haters are cancer
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>>183329040
>two shit opinions in one post
Settle down anon
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>>183329879
>two shit opinions
Well one of those opinions was "I like HotS", and I completely agree it's a shitty opinion.
>>
>>183330031
pls do not bully
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>>183322726
If only
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zZ0B8N_x-w
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>>183329273
his orc waifu was some solid 2/10
>>
I think I'm gonna go two days without winning a game.

Stupid cursed win three games quest. I want to win it legit for once.
>>
So make your bets on the ultimate which Garrosh will get. Trips will be 100% correct

I go with Execute, probably like ult from Darius which resets after kill and deals more damage on lowhp targets
>>
>>183331269
Old God buff, similar to Cho's hammer where its a passive bonus and a small utility, maybe small AoE damage or more damage plus slowing effect.
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>>183331269
>resets after kill and deals more damage on lowhp targets
who the hell is darius, that shit is copied from MOGUL KHAN THE AXE
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>>183330469
That wasn't his waifu, it was his village's greatmother.
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>>183328494
Dawngate
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Fuck Falstad. Too many fucking Genji's and even if you try your fucking damnest to time your shit against protected, you're still shit out of luck.
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>>183331732
I think I played it, It got shutdown right?

Was that the one with the wierd girl with the giant paint brush?
>>
>>183331269
He will have
>Skillshot engage/reposition
>AOE that heals
>Buff for self/team

Ultimate will be
>Multiclass :)
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>>183320254
>Blizz-drone lemming defending awful game mechanics and design
League is utter shit, though.
>>
Garrosh dindu nuffinz
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>>183306857
I thought they said WoD is basically non-canon now?
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>>183320973
>no argument to be found
Blizz-drone morons really will defend anything, even cancerous game mechanics that actually contribute to less people playing the game.
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Guys

What if they made a hero

That was STRONG against CC?
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>>183333210
>replying to random post 2 hours later
lmao
>in before le blizzdrone xd
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>>183333121
Then where the fuck did Gul'dan come from?
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>>183331269
Sion Q as a ultimate but fucking huge.
https://youtu.be/RCNL_6XwMNE?t=284
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>>183333263
so, uther?
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>>183333263
HERE I COME
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>>183327961
>>183327979
Best two orcs ever, you subhuman autist shitheel.
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>>183333495
>Unironically making a 6 minute video showing yourself soloing a boss that takes less than a full minute to solo if you're in questing blues
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>>183328761
>>183328387
>>183327961
>>183327979
>>183330469

>tfw these are all the same repugnant manchild who will never reproduce
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>>183333935
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>>183333347
>replying to a post in an active thread
>lmao?
Still no argument, stupid.
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>>183333935
>Actually going through the entire thread quoting multiple hour-long posts to tell them all you disagree

You're either severely autistic or Malkorok.
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>>183313030
>Wilfred Fizzlebang
>Has an imp that acts like a DPS Misha
>At 10 he chooses to either get the ability to swap the imp for other summons (Voidwalker, Succubus, Doomguard, Infernal at 20) or to lose his summon but become JARAXXUS permanently
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depressed over losing every match today music
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9UFhEifTEg
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Hey everyone! I hope you're having a super wonderful day and are winning all your matches!

Please don't mind me, I'm just posting a few fun facts about the love of my life, my waifu Diablo!

>she's wide!!
>the widest!!!!!!!
>extra fertile!
>she breathes fire!!!!!!
>she is fear itself!
>she is an excellent tank with very strong stuns!
>I'm love with her!
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>>183334894
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>>183307429
>mfw nobody liked my Garrosh ideas...
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>>183332764
Zeri, I used to play her as support but with the jungle spec because she was really good at killing the worker minions. When the other team would try to come defend they would be stuck far away from towers where her slow would let you and your assassin/jungler get 2 easy kills.
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>>183334206
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9j5UzxEhEM&feature=youtu.be
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>>183307372
what a waste of polygons
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>>183337767
what
a
waste
of
a
post
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>>183307429
I would really love him to pummel people into the dirt but I really don't think it's ever going to happen because they don't have any kind of grounded animations.
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@183338148
what a waste of a (You)
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>>183338247
what a waste of pixles.
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>>183337720
>>183334206
how about you post your anti-tilt tunes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-qYYZrky1Y
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>tfw garrosh
>1 hero away from being able to run a full Orc team
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>>183338678
Uh
Garrosh, Rexxar, Thrall, Samuro, Rehgar?
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>>183338678
What? Garrosh is the 6th Orc.
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>>183338678
just use rexxar as a tank
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>>183338772
>>183338782
>>183338785


>Rexxar
>orc

Filthy Mok'nathal have no place in the True Horde.

Garrosh Thrall Samuro Rehgar.
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>>183338678
>Garrosh
>Rehgar
>Samuro
>Gul'dan
>Thrall

Garona when
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>>183338873
That's still 5 minus Rexxar, you palooka.
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>>183338873
I figured using Gul'dan would make it kinda assassin heavy
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>>183338678
>garrosh
>reghar
>thrall
>samuro
>guldan

?
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>>183338208
I'd settle for Garrosh just kind of grappling in their direction with one hand and punching with the other

Use Kaels Nado animation for their root so they kind of seem "dangling"
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>reverse amp and Amp it Up CDR talents now actually good
now I can have forever amp
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I'm excited for Garrosh in the Nexus just to see how all the characters bully him.
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>>183339392
If any heroes had Garrosh-specific lines they'd be in the game already and I don't think there are any.
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>>183339392
Maybe he can be the new Arthas
>"S-s-silence! >:,("
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>>183339469
Damn near everyone got new lines for Varian, didn't they?
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I hope Garrosh plays like Sion after the remake from LoL. I thought he had an interesting kit, I just hate LoL.
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>>183339469
>>183339392
Is there even anyone in game right now that likes him?
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>>183339853
D.Va.
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>>183339392
Garry has no friends, even his dad didn't really care when he died.
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>>183339392
>Tracer bullying Garrosh
get dyk'd loser
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>>183306231
right here
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Part of me wishes Garrosh had a summon, like he just calls two Orc grunts that follow him around and attack the same target.
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4 days ago I want Plat 5, been playing QM exclusively since then and today I switch back to the Ranked tab and I'm down 600 points in Gold 1.... wtf???

Has this happend to anyone else?
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>>183342541
*I was
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Malthael makes me want to rip my hair out. I can't do nuthin' with him.
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Xul is /our guy/
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>>183344148
Our guy isn't out for two more weeks
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What talents should I pick for Chen? I really suck at him, and am very indecisive as to what talents to use.
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>>183334126
>hurr it was hours ago
It's an active thread, fuckhead. Stay dumb.

>disagree
Just pointing out their objective stupidity.
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>>183339392
Leoric might be his friend. The can talk about rooting out traitors and conspiracies.
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>>183344372
Need waveclear and more damage? Pick Fire talents

Need more peeling/chasing? Pick Kick/Keg talents

Want to be a memer? Pick barrel ult.
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>>183344372
The level one talent where you don't pick Chen

>>183344093
His nerf made him go from.

Make Marks
Wade into shit
Be damn near invincible
Just Be Better Kerrigan but no CC

To, pretty much the same thing but you actually need to dodge things.
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>>183345130
He picked chen, he's already a memer.
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>>183344892
>his waifu wasn't a 2/10
the stupid one is you anon!
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>Be Malth
>Dirty Commie silences me
>AAs don't apply Mark

Are all passive stopped by silence?
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>>183345846
I've been silenced regularly and have never experienced this. Are you sure you weren't blinded?
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Why is it that people still say that Malth is OP?
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lads who should I be picking when I have to play a tank of some sort

I used to fall back on ETC but I guess he got gutted at some point
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>Congratulations you won 5 loot chests in the sweepstakes!
>Log in
>No boxes

What the fuck
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>>183346097
His percent damage and healing is still really good if you just let him sit in the middle of your team. Most of the high tier characters don't have a silence or anti-healing skills so he can be really hard to deal with. Someone like Valeera who has 2 ways to shut down his healing can shit all over him, but she's pretty terrible at anything else.
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>>183346127
misha
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>won nothing despite having 7 tickets
>AGAIN

wow nice """event"""
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>>183346097
He's not OP now, the last wallop to Tormented Souls brought him into a health spot.
He's still faceroll mcmeltdown but he can feasibly be deleted before getting too much momentum.
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>>183346260
Just the opposite for me.
Suddenly 5 boxes with no warning whatsoever, nothing in my e-mail either.
Got me a speedo Tychus out of it which is great.
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>>183346864

Ive tried relogging multiple times, might open a ticket if nothing happens in an hour.

Alternatively, give me my boxes you stole you noob
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>>183346127
Versus Melee: Arthas
Versus hyper mobile overwatch crap: Varian
If your comp can follow up with burst: Stitches. If the enemy team is full of squishy backline heroes go gorge, don't gorge characters that want to dive into your team like malth and sonya
Tyrael if your team is dive
Anub is generally still good as a stun god but characters like Zul'jin will eat his ass up now with the health nerf
Johanna if the enemy team is mostly auto attackers
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can some wowfaggot explain the garrsosh/thrall ship pls
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>>183346260
>t. filthy euro
bliss is/was incompetent and was only giving out chests on the NA regional server
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>>183347435

I am from NA you dingdong
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>>183347345
Thrall is a human loving hippy
Garrosh wanted the Horde to actually fight the Alliance
Thrall got angery and sent Garrosh to the Nexus
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>>183347345
thrall was an incompetent retard and when he went to kill deathwing to end the cataclysm he left garrosh in charge even though garrosh warned him that he was not fit to be a warchief and that he was going to gas the lesser races
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>>183347510
>>183347547
so they're both kinda retarded
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>>183347715
I mean, they're orcs
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>>183348082
take it back
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>>183348116

Orcs are the dindus of warcraft
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holy fuck I hate redditors
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>>183345929
I had it happen to me twice on Stukov while I was fighting I believe Artanis and Thrall. I was stuck in place and dieing so I figured at least try and place some marks.

I don't know if i just didn't see them, I know the game does something like not showing drain if health regen is on, maybe that happened. It is possible but it definitely happened more than once.

I also saw and Illdan fighting a Stukov who put the silence around him and I don't know if Stukovs arm out damages Illidans sustain but Illidan had to back off the 1v1. I thought maybe he had shut down Illidan's trait, because his health plummeted.
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>>183348321
This is why I love warlords of draenor
>NO YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND ORC ARE NOBLE MONSTERS
>THE DEMONS TRICKED THEM
>They do the same genocide without demon blood
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>>183346097
Unpreventable damage to anyone who isn't Varian and hard for certain healers like Uther to deal with. Spell armor does nothing. Stuns/Statis does nothing to negate his damage output.

For instance Anub's cocoon and Stitches Gorge is basically helping him if he's already marked everyone. As opposed to say Kerrigan, who's ult can be negating by many things.
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>>183349065
Isn't his Winrate like 65%?

Genji may as well have a passive that reads "This hero cannot die and all enemy max hp is reduced by 15%"
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I seriously hope the title of Garrosh is warchief of the true horde.
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>>183349623
47% overall, ranging from 40 in bronze to a bit over 50 in the higher ranks.
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>>183349623
54% in masters, under 49% in every other league

75% pick/ban rate in competitive 55% WR
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>>183349623
Genji's winrate isn't that high in online play, only tournament play. Statistically, he really isn't OP.
More than anything he's preposterously annoying to the point of being blatantly bad game design.
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>>183349789
>>183349739
Genji being OP is just not true at my MMR then.

Even if he pisses me off, I can not legitimately complain about him.
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>do i play with worst retards mm prepared for me in quick match?
>or i wait 5 minutes searching unranked to have a semblance of enjoyable match
really boils my neurons
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>>183349914
That's not true. There's plenty of legitimate complaints about mobility creep, having so many defensive options without having to sacrifice damage or health like other characters, and the fact that he's just super gay to play against.
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>>183349910
I mean, his entire design is based around being get in, get out, secure kills.

People say he's a better Kerrigan or Illidan, but he has no sustain.

I get what his design was trying to do. I don't know how you'd adjust it without completely dumpstering him or removing the whole point of him.
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>>183350108
ill settle at just removing him
it will be hard but i will manage somehow
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>>183350108
You cant have a hero whose job is to secure kills from weakened enemies, he will get dumpstered like nova because they both do the same things and thats what triggers people.
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>>183350101
Well, he sacrifices all forms of wave clear, damage to structures, sustain though. I don't think the design is unsalvagable.

I played Falstad today though and fuck, I don't think I could do shit to a good Genji if I tried. A few lucky boomerangs in super greedy ones, but I was spitroast the rest of the time.

I wonder how much of the mobility creep complaints are genuinely meaningful as opposed to just a trend of safe things to bitch about.

Like point and click stuns were before. Or Mage burst meta. Or too much healing. Or sieging being too good.

It only takes one overzealous nerf for us to completely forget what used to be impossible to balance cancer on a fundamental design level.
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>>183349914
>>183349065
>dude can only complain about a character if they're +55% WR

what drives this kind of thinking? The only reason genji isn't super high winrate on solo ladder is his waveclear/merc taking sucks ass, which on ladder makes you king shit of wrecking teams that can't into map pressure

It's very fucking obvious from his play at tournaments where you can count on teammates not to be dumbasses he is not healthy for the game
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>>183350108
remove some of his health so when you stun him you can actually blow him up without needing 4 other people instead of him dashing across the screen with 20 health
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>>183349914
>Genji being OP is just not true at my MMR then.

>Even if he pisses me off, I can not legitimately complain about him.

That's a gigantic logical fallacy if there ever was one. A mechanic being imbalanced isn't relevant to the WR of the hero whose kit it's a part off. Stealth is insanely broken, regardless of the WR of Stealth heroes.
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>>183350934
I'm fine if they need him for tournament play reasons.

But it literally doesn't affect me in any way. And yes, his drawback is more relevant in normal play. That's why if I lose to a Genji, it is because I'm trash at the game, not because he's OP when played by pro gamers with voice comp.

I just don't want to be the same sort of dipshit who blames his losses on things that are plainly not true. There are enough shitters like that in HOTS.
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>>183351305
>That's why if I lose to a Genji, it is because I'm trash at the game

dude what the fuck.
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>>183351074
>A mechanic being imbalanced isn't relevant to the WR of the hero whose kit it's a part off. Stealth is insanely broken, regardless of the WR of Stealth heroes.

I hope you're not that crazy guy from that other thread. Stealth isn't imbalanced. And strong mechanics CAN be counteracted by deficiencies in other areas of the heros they are present on.

Obviously, if we just gave Li Ming the kind of stealth Nova has, it would be busted. But that's not how it works. Nova gets stealth, Ming gets a teleport. And resets. And a million other things.
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>>183351501
What do you mean?

Genji being OP when played by good players does not give me an excuse when I die to him being played by trash players. As trash players are playing with a handicap if they play Genji over other heroes who have higher winrates at lower ranks.
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>>183351575
stealth is imbalanced from the fact that it shits on new players who don't even know a shimmer exists until they post on a forum going "wtf how valeera instakill me from nowhere", while being useless at higher ranks except for Zeratul who is good regardless of his stealth

similarly genji being busted at higher brackets but mediocre at lower ones still makes him broken
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>>183351717
>when I die to him being played by trash players

Maybe they are playing genji well? It's not like it's hard, and it's not like you can say "well don't get caught out alone" when his whole thing is he can swift strike anywhere he wants and get out. Genjis WR is less dependent on the skill of the genji players and more dependent on the skill of his team to provide him good map control while he handles the teamfights
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I just want to finish this loot box.

But I'm getting these sorts of Illidans in every game tonight. He's not even in the f2p rotation, I just don't understand.
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>>183351842
Well, sure, but when evaluating the reasons for your losses, you need to be mindful of the level of play you're working with.

If my team genuinely acts like stealth is 100% invisible, my loss might not be my own fault since stealth is strong in that scenario. But if I lose to a Genji, it is likely because I was out of position, got greedy or missed all my skillshots than them abusing an OP character.

I keep losing to Genjis who have the same amount of deaths as me. I can't pretend they are invincible and I was helpless when they clearly can't time their shit.
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>>183352216
Man that's some Perullidan if I ever saw it.
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>>183351981
That's a fair point. I'll consider that.

I'd be more likely to consider that if I wasn't only "okay" at Genji though, so it isn't nearly as brainless as people act like it is.

Of course, I am like Gold 5, so maybe I am brain dead.
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>>183350101
The problem with Genji is that while counter able, he's one of the many new heroes than when you see picked on the enemy draft, you stumble over yourself looking for a counter only to find, there simply are not that many people who do a good job of it, and he put certain heroes simply out of the question.

In short, mobility creep like his is bad because it's what make the meta more and more constrained and why you see the same 10-13 heroes every single draft.

It also doesn' help that there are like ten gorillian assassins, like 4 solo tanks and like 4 good solo healers.

What's weird is that Stukov kind of counter balances Malth, but he was released after Malth as if to let him be ridiculous for awhile.
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>first ban
>first pick
He is not OP, I swear!
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>>183352216
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>>183352485
Again, I'm fine with them nerfing him due to tournament play.

Doesn't affect shit at my level. There are likely many more heroes that are garbage at the pro level that are OP at mine.
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>>183352485
Even though he's still first pick/ban, Malthael isn't that much of a problem anymore.
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>>183351575
>an ability that allows you to instantly bypass risk-vs-reward (the basis for all competitive games) with the click of a button isn't imbalanced.
Blizzard must feel lucky to have mindless zombies like you defending their abjectly awful game design and mechanics.

Rumor is Blizzard is reworking Stealth, so maybe they're not so talentless afterall.

>And strong mechanics CAN be counteracted by deficiencies in other areas of the heros they are present on.
Neat. Some mechanics are objectively imbalanced because they violate basic precepts of game design theory, however. (Stealth and Stun as obvious examples). Some heroes are imbalanced by degree rather than principle (Genji, etc).
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>>183350108
Honestly just take away his reset. It's wouldn't stop him from being the zippy tower diving cunt he is, and he'd still have a billion ways out of every fight. He doesn't need a "make fleeing enemy dead" button that is permanently off of CD.

It's enough especially when he can take a second jump charge. The reset just makes it fucking stupid to the point where he can finish someone mid-teamfight, and zip back in to the fight, having committed less than 3 seconds and no life endangerment, all while he is instantly ready to repeat the process. It's like if Tracer's recall cooldown reset on kills.
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>>183352887
You are the crazy guy from the other thread.

Your referal to stealth as "the ability to bypass all risk-vs-reward" is such a broad criticism that could be applied to so many game mechanics that I am genuinely bewildered by what distinction you are making.

An escape bypasses risk-vs-reward. Ice block bypasses that. Global abilities can bypass that in certain circumstances.

Stealth just makes you untargettable by point and click stuff. You can still die to all skillshots and AOE, which this game has plenty of.
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>>183352216
>Jewdragon
Kek
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WHEN'S:
>Kel'Thuzad
>Maiev
>High Inquisitor Whitemane
>Mannoroth
>Mal'ganis/Balnazzar NO VARIMATHRAS
>Fenix
>D2 Assassin
>Baal
>Mephisto
>The Werewolf and Dragon from Lost Vikings 2
>Lothar
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>>183352991
That might be the whole problem. No one at my level gets the reset. They miss or don't know it exists or misjudge how much damage it will deal.

That might be the reason why he's fine at lower levels.
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>>183353319
I think their names are Torch and Fang.

I get we want more classic Blizz, but I'd rather get Tomator. Those fuckers sound like Poochy to me.
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>ours team
>lvl 550, 300, 50, 20, 7 no premades
>their team
>all lvl 600 and up 2 + 3
i think that was slightly unfair
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>>183353319
>Fenix
we'd Get Talandar before Fenix....
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>>183353319
>>183353480
Fang and Scorch.
I'd love to see them as a duo hero in the style of TLV.
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>get matched up against a pubstomping genji
>twice in a row
>as chromie

Half my burst was negated by deflect and x-strike. If I had anything less than 50% hp, he'd jump and instakill me. Feelsbadman
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>>183353227
>is such a broad criticism that could be applied to so many game mechanics
There's very few mechanics it applies to, and it should be obvious (to anyone not being purposefully obtuse) which they are. Stealth and Stun are both broken by the basis of their core design and should be reworked entirely. Both allow a person to press a single button and either kill the enemy player with impunity (stun) while allowing zero counterplay, or escape or engage regardless of any past mistakes and without counterplay (Stealth). Both are outdated hold-overs from ancient Dungeons/Dragons abilities from the 1970's that were copy/pasted into Warcraft III, and both should never have been in any 3D video game, ever. (at least in their current design form).

Both are also cancerous to the health of the game itself, because they're anti-fun and anti-skill.

>Ice block bypasses risk-vs-reward
You'd have to be painfully dense or ignorant of how risk and reward works to make this statement. Ice block is pretty damn balanced as a mechanic.
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>>183352485
So, serious question, why the fuck is a ban needed in this kind of game? Shouldn't all characters be balanced, and shouldn't even need a ban at all? Or is it even pros don't like actually trying against a certain hero?

Is there an instance before bans were put in place that a tourny suffered greatly for it?
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>>183354460
Getting a Dragoon would be pretty neat.
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>>183354685
In a perfect 100% balanced world, bans would be used to lock off any potental comps that have a synergy with eachother.
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>>183354685
In a perfect world where are the characters were balanced with each other you would use bans as a way to prevent you our your team mate's from being counter picked
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>>183354685
Counters and synergies.

>they pick Gul'dan on Braxis
Goodbye Auriel.

>your teammate hovers butcher
Ban out Uther, Brightwing, Tyreal or whatever his current popular/meta counters are.
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>>183354685
Bans are to interfere with your opponent's team composition and reinforce your own position. For example, seeing them lock in Hammer and Valla and choosing to ban Morales so they don't get stim drone madness. Or because you want to have a high HP team like Diablo + Azmodan and so you ban Malthael so you don't get shredded.

Balance exists, but counters exist too, and slamming headlong into your counters is a pain.
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>>183354685
>Shouldn't all characters be balanced
what the fuck does that even mean

is a character with obvious strengths (to be built around) and obvious weaknesses (to be capitalized upon) "imbalanced"?

bans just add another layer of strategy, either denying your opponent a key hero or ensuring your comp is not countered heavily
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>play zagara
>autistically split push all game
>win

neat.

when should i take maw over nydus? nydus just seems way too good.
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>>183352216
hey that's the same skin i use when i pick illidan
also the same level of competence
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>>183354685
>why the fuck is a ban needed in this kind of game? Shouldn't all characters be balanced
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>>183355115
Maw is to fuck over predictable diving assholes like Illidan or ETC, and ideally to be followed up with easy CC like Malf's root or Stukov's silence. If you think you're gonna be needed in a heavy teamfight, Maw lets you strategically isolate 1-2 dudes.
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http://content.madefire.com/s-d5a7dcd134f54d98b8dfd7d804e2e493/index.html#
Anduin when?
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>>183355115
nydus always desu
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>>183355115
I'm not sure why you would ever pick maw unless you already have a global on your team, the map is small, or you really need to counter a key opponent that's kicking your team's ass
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>>183355145
>>183354921
>>183354897
>>183354817
>>183354805

I suppose I should have added the Caveat that I am retarded and have no knowledge of competitive play, I'm a filthy casual. But I'm glad I learned something new.
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>>183354672
>stun no counterplay
be aware of which enemy heroes can stun you, be aware of your positioning and don't mindlessly dive into the enemy team when their stuns are off cooldown

this is like saying "it's literally impossible to win street fighter because once the other guy starts doing a combo you're stunned until the combo ends"

>stealth free escape/engage
in games with true actual invis like dota (or dungeons and dragons for that matter), there are ways to detect invisibility through spells or items.
in hots you don't even need sentry wards or a wizard with true sight in his spellbook because there is a visible shimmer
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>>183326925
Kil'jaiden isn't hardcore evil.

In his death cinematic he pretty much says to Velen that he was just too weak to oppose Legion so he went with it but now he's sad and regrets what he's done.
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>>183354685
in hots or league bans are because heroes are just OP

in other games like Dota bans exist because drafting and counterpicking actually matter much more and so pros can end up banning completely diferent heroes each game depending on which heroes are in each team's draft
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>>183355334
maw used to be good back when
a.) zagara actually had good hero damage and could be played as a teamfighter
and b.) nydus was shit and had a maximum limit of 2 worms on the entire map, making it useless garbage for every map except possibly dragon shire
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>>183355756
>bans exist because drafting and counterpicking
someone's forgotten HEE HEE HOO HOO HA HA
and PL/kotl
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i know mm dont like my 58% winrate but this 12 games lose streak is crushing my will to play
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I'm gonna buy Garrosh on day one, it'll be the first time I've done this since Kael was released.

Feels fuckin good.
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>chogall in match
>at least one of them is always a raging asshole in chat

pottery
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>>183325710
>has females and non-whites in its cast and a single confirmed homosexual
>better call it tumblr
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>>183356042
Unless 7.00 changed things, PL+KotL memes stopped being relevant after TI2. I think Alliance ran it a couple times in TI3 and lost and most pros stopped giving a shit about the combo. Somebody also tried to bring it back in a major non-TI tournament in 2015 and got wrecked.
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>>183357575
I'm the opposite, Garrosh is the first dude I'm not gonna buy day 1 since, like, Varian. And I pride myself on owning everyone. But he's not worth the extra 5k gold.
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>>183357614
I mean, what else do they have to do?
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>>183357778
nah i meant back when the pair was relevant and also infinite spammed everywhere
people banned them not because of composition but because they fucking sucked to play against always
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fact: people who don't like garrosh have leftist tendencies

really gets the noggin going
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>>183342541
QM has a hidden MMR, basically any and every game that isn't vs ai can and will effect your rating and the more games you have the harder it will be to climb back up, thus all the toxicity in all modes but ai.
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>>183355716
Which isn't canon because it's stupid.
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>>183350934
>The only reason genji isn't super high winrate on solo ladder is his waveclear/merc taking sucks ass
so why care about him then?
think about it, you are basically crying that he can hold in team fights but ignoring the fact that is all he can do. And even then he is very counterable it just comes at the cost that a smart player will always disengage rather than risk getting killed. I just can't understand why most care about him but hardly see how Azmodan can crush a victory in when the enemy team can score better in all fields. Hell once you have one lane pushed all the way to core it's a true nightmare balancing out when to deal with the hell generals he will be pushing in the lane he isn't in while marching with the rest in another during late game, and god save you if you lack good stun/silence and he goes laser build with his talent too. Genji is just a casual filter, nothing more.
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Genji's so good he can will a team of double healer johanna murky to victory

My eyes have been opened
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>>183312254
XAVIUS WHEN?
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>>183358873
Genji didn't carry shit. Murky and Johanna were the biggest contributes to your team. Bluntly that is a subpar genji going against a bad Gul'dan and Li-ming. Also your mal didn't build for heals so that is basically a super specialist fucking up a team.
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>>183358873
That beautiful top score diagonal stack.
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>>183325501
>I'm so wasted, I'm so wasted!
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>>183358873
>thinks a good Murky needs help

Him, Aba and Azmo can carry full teams to victory by themselves. The goal is to destroy the core not hero kills so really something as simple as swapping your Murky with their Medivh could have cost you the game.
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>>183359278
>this is what split pushers actually believe
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>>183332436
>forced 50 is a bad thing
What the fuck is it with this degenerate opinion?
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just clombed 3 ranks on rexxar

i am da beast king
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>>183359606
There is only one true objective and that is The Core.
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>>183355115
maw is good if you're behind and need to secure clutch objectives

but play rexx instead, split push/tank/bruise all in one
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>>183360805
Chen get your stinky panda ass out of that perfect lineup.
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>>183361590
An interesting old man once told me, 'Stay thirsty, my friend.
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Instead of giving me fifty boxes, they should be banning the feeders in my games.
Those who run the game don't understand what brings and keeps players in the game.
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>>183362509
You mean like intentional feeders or people who are just tilting/bad at the game?
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>>183362594
Should be obvious. Had a Valla who would ignore the enemy Leoric and keep chasing a Genji.
This wasn't a bad player, he didn't care. And in a series of games it can be seen. Checked his history and he was on a losing streak so I wasn't the only one to see this.
Still he keeps playing and ruining games for more people. If he really is that bad, it's the matchmaker's fault for putting him in games far above his skill level.
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>>183361590
chen is bear too
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TAAAAAAAAAAAAAZ'DINGO!
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I have 111 games of Hanamura played and I have enjoyed maybe 10 of them. This map triggers me hard. I hate it so much.
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>>183360248
>maw zagara
no wonder they lost
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>>183362753
Maybe you are simply overestimating the level you play on. Not saying that matchmaking is good, buy no game has an objectively good matchmaking, so it'a a thing you need to accept and play around.
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garrosh was a mistake in wow and he will be a mistake in hots
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>>183365050
watch your clever mouth bitch
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>>183365050
He will be shit because he doesn't get the overwatch mobility treatment. Worst case they give him some stupid charge up attacks that require him to stand still while charging.
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>>183365050
>THIS POSTER WAS THROWN OFF A CLIFF
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>play solo ranked
>enemy team has a 4 man stack

Did they fuck up some patch? What the fuck
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>>183366436
>solo ranked
>4 man stack
Proof?
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>>183366436
I too have queued into unranked draft mistakenly thinking it was hero league. I felt kind of embarassed about it afterwards.
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>>183365050
>Best warchief
>Mistake
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>>183366985
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6R4U6OdY64
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What is Garrosh sitting atop, /hotsg/?
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>>183367765
the throne of dragonstone
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>>183367765
he is ready to deadlift
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>objectives
>loudly announced via audio and visual clues
>still have people who completely ignore them while playing shit splitpushers
>they can't even do that right because they bail on the splitpush and head for the objective once the rest of the team is dead
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>when daddy calls you a failure
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>>183367765
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>>183367882
I had a Zeratul and Artanis the other day who didn't even realize the Immortals were up until the second half of the fight.
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>>183367882
proper splitpusher behavior heavily depends on:
speed they can rotate
can they make a difference
level difference
can they trade fort\keeps

if pusher is so shit he cant force them to react its his mistake
if rest of the team cant win 4v4 or even 4v3 then what the hell are you doing

im always triggered when im playing splitpusher doing my job forcing 2 people to come, grabbing fort, escaping ganks, getting level adavantage
and then team doing jackshit with this advantage roaming aimlessly or getting caught
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Pardon my ignorance, never played WoW.

Why is there so much Garrosh love? Is it ironic?
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>>183368451
Garrosh is like Kael, just when people started enjoying the fella Blizz made him a boss.
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>>183368451
barafags and faggots
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I'm so fucking bad at seeing the stealth shimmer.
Help me, guys
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>>183313163
no
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>>183368591
Same, wish they just made it actual invisibility and nerfed something else to compensate.
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>email from blizzard, got 5 free chests
>neato, haven't gotten anything from the drawings yet, I'll take what I can get
>log in, 0 chests
Bunch of fucking teases.

>>183368591
Turn your graphics settings down, makes it a lot easier to see.
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>>183369019
>Turn your graphics settings down, makes it a lot easier to see.
I actually find the opposite to be true, but idk maybe that's just me.
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>>183368591
how can stealth be real if our eyes arent real?
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J9FImc2LOr8
Damn,this sounds great
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>>183321193
god I hope we get to kill sylvanas next
I would resub just to do that
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>Azmodunk Brawl is back
ARE YOU PREPARED TO SLAM?!?!?!?
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>>183368591
It's hard to see when you start out because you're still not used to all the effects popping up on the screen but after a while you see it pretty much directly outside of cluster fuck team fights.
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>>183369779
>24 minute slugfest
pretty boring brawl desu
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>>183306231
BEST WARCHIEF!!!!
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>>183369093
same here, but my pc is shit and I like having more than 30 fps, so I'm stuck
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>>183369741
>>183369779
Asmodunk sounded a lot better than it really was. It was hard to convince people to coordinate to build stacks, and then once you had about 2000 two volleys from everyone could kill core... if you could convince them to stop throwing them at hero's or waves. Just get a keep down then go core, but no one ever did that.
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>>183370717
if only brawl started at lvl 10 with 500 stacks already and 15 seconds deathtimers
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>>183368451
>son of grom
>really insecure
>thrall finds him and tells him about how heroic his father is
>easy to anger, but determined to prove himself and to honor his father's legacy
>blizz makes him into a villain
>we put him in jail
>some bronze dragon gets him out
>garrosh kills bronze dragon
>thrall kills garrosh
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how do you genji? im so bad with the weeblord
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>>183305065

Why do we get another fuccboi character?

We already got the one true and powerful leader of the horde.
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>>183339469
They tend to add her specific lines when the hero is released. They did so with Varian, Greymane, Valeera and Cassia.
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>>183371058
If you're a bad, take X-Strike instead of dragonblade. Dragonblade will get you killed. Beyond that, play him like greymane, be patient and only dive when you're guaranteed going to kill shit.

https://www.heroesfire.com/hots/talent-calculator/genji#kKOi this is your build. If they have *really* fast attackers you can swap dodge with deflect cooldown.

Mount up and use trait to get into fights, stand next to shit and hit them with all 3 shurikens at once for 104 + 25 * 3 = 387 + 184 at level 13 right when you get shingan. The upgrade to swift strike makes it 388 + a 1s delayed 225 damage at 16.

Don't try to jump in early and get a big reflect out, wait till stuns/cooldowns are used *then* go in (via mount -> trait) and use your swift strike to get out. X-strike is also a great disjoint and can be used to gapclose or escape if needed.
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>>183333675
has anyone got the full version of this
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>>183368451
He was pretty memorable in MoP one of the key things keeping it warcraft. He also drops the rarest thing in the game.
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>>183371427
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWlH8PTijzA

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sejbbGonV4o
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>>183371427
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Healerbug Abathur is really fun in QM when you get a lineup without real heals.
I'm just sad they nerfed the shit out of networked carapace.
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>>183371763
http://www.wowhead.com/item=8494/parrot-cage-hyacinth-macaw
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>>183306857
thrall went to complete shit after wotlk
garrosh literally did nothing wrong
>literal end of the world happend
>thrall decides to fuck off because "lol shamanism"
>leaves garrosh to rule over a horde whose leaders all hate him
>twilight hammer carries out a false flag attack on some druids, garrosh is blamed for it
>cairne gets mad and challenges garrosh to a duel
>garrosh defeats him, but it turns out that grimtotem poisoned his weapon without his knowledge, so cairne actually dies
>new tauren leader baine now hates garrosh for killing his father
>sylvanas goes full lich queen, ignores orders from orgrimmar
>vol'jin already scheming to overthrow garrosh
>alliance encroaching on horde territory from all sides
>garrosh eventually snaps and tries to remove all these elements who clearly despise him from the horde
>dude orc hitler lmao kill him

dumb as fuck writing desu
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>>183372346
>new tauren leader baine now hates garrosh for killing his father
I wouden't say that he hates him because he knows that the grimtotem where involved, but he holds no love for the orc seeing how Garrosh was the one who wanted a duel to the death.
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>>183372545
It wasnt duel to the death,just a standard duel.
Also later in the book Baine was forced to defend Garrosh on his trial as his lawyer and he came with terms with his loss and distaste for that poor innocent man.

If you want lore from a Blizzdrone here you go.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTWgfWgXXqI
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>>183372304
Thats not his shoulders
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>>183372663
It was a duel to the death, Baine wanted to abide by the rules thrall set up but Garrosh was having none of it. He went with the old rules which said that it's a duel to the death
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>>183372712
His shoulders had 1 in 200 droprate that can be bonus rolled with a coin, parrot has 1 in 10k. I myself had a 1 in 1000 mount drop from Wrath heroic back in the day. Its not Deathcharger's Reins before droprate updates either.

>>183372760
Dont you mean Cairne? Or was it Caine.
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>>183372931
Yes Caine my bad
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>>183372931
You're retarded. Its not just the drop rate you autistic retard. Its the fact you have to clear the last boss on a harder difficulty and be a plate user to wear it.
I saw a grand total of one(one) player wear them at the end of WoD.
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>>183373109
SOO was up for more than a year and by the end people were so geared on populated servers you would kill him before his boss mechanics kicked in.
It wasnt that difficult to get it, its wasnt fucking vanilla Naxx or nothing like that. Original T3 armor and corrupted Ashbringer, now that was rare.
I bet youre not even Hand of Adal
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>>183373258
You're dumb. You listed two items that anyone could use. The fact it was plate was the main reason for its rarity and raid infighting on who should get it.
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>>183373384
And you just listed a secondary characteristic about it yourself. Rare items arent rare because it drops rarely and you argue who will get it (and you could signet roll for it too each week), they are rare because its truly a nightmare to reach em (like doing Naxx) or because you got 0.01%-0.001% chance to get em. Ive seen plenty of guys who simply did Soo once a week and got it by the wod through sheer persistence. You can also redo Garrosh extra times per week and use signets to reroll too.
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So why can't you spectate high MMR games in HoTS? Don't a lot of players want to see the pub stars duke it out and then mimic them?
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>>183374510
shitty engine
gotta use twitch
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>>183374589
What's wrong with the engine?
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>tfw can't tell my team to stop feeding 1v5
>still carry anyways

silencing me didn't make them play better but i guess i spend more time carrying less time typing

am i a good guldan, or is every guldan on /vg/ besides me shit? watching eenkogneeto play is like watching chester benning
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>>183374510
>>183375079
It's all conneted to the reconnect and replay aswell. This is the engine of SC2, the point is, you can't just load at some point - you have to replay the whole thing with 8x speed. Instead of loading the game it makes bots which mimic players till that point. Also if you want to look back at some point before you will have to reload the whole game again. Same shit with reconnect, if you want to reconnect you will have to load the whole disconnected part with 8x speed instead of reconnecting instantly
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>>183375247
Sounds like Blizzard dug their own grave. Al tough they have OW and other games, so it won't really matter.
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>>183357961
This, that guy was just slurping Dota's dick like Dotafags do. It's actually used MORE for OP-bans in Dota, it's just that you get five fucking bans so you can use the first one or two on cancer shit like TI2 Lycan or 7.00 release Monkey King (if he had been in Captain's Mode at that time) and then use the rest on actual counterpicks to your comp.
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>>183362753
Don't hate the player, hate the game.
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Ability reveal fucking when

I swear to God if it's another melee assassin
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>>183375691
either that or it's a melee warrior like sonya.
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>>183367882
On the flipside I fucking hate when we're somehow level 3 and the other team is well into 4, and we need soak to contest the objective properly, everyone immediately beelines for the objective (especially some weak-ass first one like Shrines or Warhead), get wiped, and then spends the rest of the game whining about it even if they clearly didn't lose because of the lack of a fourth player, like someone getting picked off with a Stitches/Alarak/Dehaka grab.
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>>183375691
don't worry, he's a melee specialist summoner.
Q - Summon peon - Repairs buildings, deals high damage to enemy buildings
W - Bark orders - Like Jimmys aura, but increases move speed instead. Works only on non-heroic targets
E - Draw fire - gains 50 armor, all damage that would be dealt to friendly targets within 4 range is redirected to him. Lasts 4 seconds.
eh, this is too much work for a troll post so fuck it.
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>>183375691
Don't worry, it will be another multiclass like Varian except more on the damage side than tank side
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>>183377095
1 ult will be execute with damage like Axe from dota and other will be die by sword which provides him defense I guess
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Have they made it so you get the play 8 games quest way more often?
I'm getting it almost every day if I finished it the day before
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>>183305065
>tfw can't tell my team to stop feeding 1v5
>silencing me didn't make them play better but i guess i spend more time carrying less time typing

It also stops you from putting your allies on full tilt because you told the one guy who fed a kill early to stop being a shitter instead of something more constructive

Yes I'm projecting you onto one of my teammates' behavior but I think it's a good example

>game exhibit A
>our illidan dives like an idiot within the first minute of the game
>Johanna proceeds to shit talk him with only one death on the entire fucking board
>Within 2 minutes literally all four of my teammates are on tilt and flinging shit at each other
>any practical chance of victory is shot

>game exhibit B
>valla dies twice early and gets me killed once with her because she dives for kills and it backfires
> Tell her to dial back the bloodlust; it's blowing up in our faces (instead of just OMG STOP FEEDING SHITTER)
> takes advice; we stabilize and game turns around into a comfortable win eventually
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>>183377095
Doesn't Varian already cover all the Warrior specs? What more is there to add?
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STOP PICKING TYRANDE YOU FUCKS SHE IS USELESS
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>>183358616
>so why care about him then?

because fighting him feels like unfun dogshit? this isn't a hard question to answer I don't know why you think you've got some smug "haha gotcha." It's the same reason people fucking hated the stun meta because it takes away control from the player in a fight where you will literally just fail to fucking kill him as he dodges and reflects everything
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>>183378375
Specs yes but he doesn't cover all warrior skills in the same way liming doesn't cover all wizzard skills or sonya doesn't cover all barbarian ones.
We still don't have execute, rend, heroic leap, die by sword, slam, shockwave, shield slam, devastate...
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>be super tired last night, 6/8 on a play 8 games quest
>fuck it I'll just do the last 2 on AI before I get tomorrows quest
>get play 8 games quest again today
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>>183378465
They saw that one video of her dueling two retarded mages with her 60 spell armor on reddit so they want to play her
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>>183377842
I'm getting the 200 gold quest every day, so no.
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>>183378665
Are you not happy about free 800g?
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>>183378665
daily quest should be accumulative without limit
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>>183377842

i don't think so. i got that quest like 4 days in a row last week, but i haven't seen it since then.
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>>183354672
>or escape or engage regardless of any past mistakes and without counterplay (Stealth).

That's simply not true. And applies to escapes like Anub's burrow much more.
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>>183375168
Stop. Playing. Quickmatch.
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>>183379125
yes that's the point of my post
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ahhaah ok
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>>183375079
it's shit
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>>183376542
you forgot ults you lazy fuck
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>>183380359

no stop this
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>tfw my team always has the 10 deaths illidan
When will the matchmaking stop trying to make me carry literal retards?
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>>183380387
But what makes it shit?
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>>183380494
That's what rerolls are for, man.

Plus, if you own most shit, you get more dupes. Makes sense.
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>>183380494

STOP IT BLIZZARD
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>>183381191
>blizzard why are you letting me chose on my own instead of giving me variations of shitty skins I don't want q.q
what a good goy
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>>183380359
>>183380494
>>183381191
Better luck next time.
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>>183381496

suck my taint
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>>183380661
you ever tried to reconnect to a game?
In doter, you can just click re join, bingobango you're in
in hots you have to wait fifteen minutes because it thinks its an RTS
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>STILL no kit reveal for bestchief
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>Teammate keeps hoarding a bunch of gem/coins
>Can easily turn it in at any point but never does
>Decides to go to the camps where the enemy is at
>Gets killed
>Gives the enemy a huge advantage
>WTF TEAM


I don't understand why people hoard? Unless you have no choice due not being able to turn in. There is no reason to have that much and not think it might fuck you over.
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>>183382515
His new mechanic will be: Charge skills up while moving
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>three games in a row with multiple specialists on my team
>still wind up with more xp and less deaths than them
>two of these three games were with abathur

enough
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>>183382916
while moving through time amirite
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>>183382515
i hope they give him an iron star to use
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>>183329273
I can't believe he fucking died...
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>>183383321
Unlikely, Sgt. Hammer orc skin has one already
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>Be Genji
>There are 3 people behind a fort at relatively low health
>kill all 3 with dragonblade and leave

why is this allowed?
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>>183384702
because they were stupid enough to stay near the forth instead of walking back to base
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>>183384741
they were behind a fort because they were walking back to their base
>dude just don't exist on the map versus genji roflmao
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>>183384837
now u learnin bitch
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>>183384702
Because that's your job and truth be told Genji isn't good at anything but that
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>>183384837
correct, just be abathur
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>when enemy main dps is Sonya and Genji and youre on damage debuffing Tirande with 2 healers
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>lose all team fights
>realize I just can't spam fast enough
how do i fix
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>>183385545
>playing Tyrande
Laffin @ u bungaposter
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>>183379330
Dashes can be imbalanced by degree, Genji is an example of this. Stealth is literally a 'you can't see me' button.

>>183355549
Being 'aware' of stuns doesn't prevent them from clicking their 'i win' button in a team fight. Not being out of position is normal tactics for mobas.

Fighting game combo juggling is fucking shit design depending how it's done, especially if there's no counterplay. It was the main reason I quickly gave no shit about watching competitive fighting games.

>in games with true actual invis like dota (or dungeons and dragons for that matter), there are ways to detect invisibility through spells or items.
And all of these ways are what's called binary mechanics. They're either on or off. Stealth is either on, and insanely broken and OP, or off and therefore useless. This is a very obvious example of shit game design, which should be reworked entirely.
>just buy wards
I played smite and dota for years and never bought a single ward, because it's tedious and boring, shitty gameplay. No one wants to do that shit.

>a visible shimmer
The shimmer helps to some degree, but it you're not going to see it in many circumstances, and it also still prevents casting of targetted spells or even attack swings, which still retains much of what makes Stealth broken and imbalanced.

Again, Blizzard are supposedly looking into reworking Stealth, because they care about the health of their game rather than the mouth-drippings of lemming-brained drones like yourself.
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>>183385325
>Genji
>Pick Dragonblade ult
>Pick all E talents
>Get Uther in team with Bubble and cleanse
>Laugh at enemies while cutting their whole team into mincemeat faster than butcher
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>>183354685
>>183354805
>>183354817
>>183354897
>>183354921
>>183355060
>>183355756

Daily reminder that the entire idea of Drafting and 'banning' is tedious, boring, time-wasting garbage and only exists because the company that makes the game is too talentless to balance their own game.
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>>183386732

>so mad you had to respond to post from twelve hours ago

this bait is stale
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>>183386732
>drafting is garbage

please, tell me how you would balance this game so I could pick any combination of 5 out of 68 characters and have it be a balanced team
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>>183386732
>Drafting and banning is bad
Yeah let's just give pro players random heroes, this will surely help it

Or make it blind pick like the final game in LCK before they changed it
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>>183386868
why should we care about pro players tho?
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>die more than -1 (minus one) times with Genji
>immediately commit ritual seppuku
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best genji counter?
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>>183387478
Then go ahead and play your shitty quickmeme without draft and ban
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>>183387674
2 (two) genjis
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>>183387685
that's what I wanted in the first place, you didn't answer the question
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>Get pajamathur
>They always play like a drooling baby

What other skins helps you know if you are going to have a good or bad time?
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>>183386618
Jesus christ you are an insufferable faggot
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>>183388390
roller derby nova
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How do you play Lunara? I can play Valla/Cassia fine because it's just stutterstepping AAs and using or comboing abilities situationally to burst people down to secure kills, but Lunara's abilities seem kinda meh. I stutterstep, try to catch people with Q, or use it to trigger AoE AA with talent at 7, extend duration of poisoned people with W and get vision with E but can never finish people. I don't see how I'm supposed go finish or secure kills except with heroic. And she has no escape or any sort of reasonable mitigation (blind, stun, etc) so getting caught out usually means death.
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Post favorite wombos

Sonya leap with 20 upgrade into ally VP. Bonus points if the team can follow up
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>>183388731
Butcher with level 20 lamb and Zarya with that knockback ult
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is there a way to mod the game so I can have warcraft 3's music in the main menu?
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>>183388560
You dont secure kills, you poke them until they are so weak they retreat and you hunt them down or your team can finish them for you.
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>>183386825
>valid criticism of shitty game design is 'bait' to Blizz-drones

>>183386863
By not being a talentless hack. Somehow Magic: the Gathering more or less manages to do it and they CERTAINLY don't allow you to force your opponent to sit there 5-10 mins before every match while you 'ban' cards out of his deck. This is self-evidently absolute shit and anti-fun game design that shouldn't be in ANY game.

>>183386868
>Or make it blind pick
Of course that's what it should be. Every competitive game is 'blind pick'.

>>183387685
>le Boring Draft Mode is the Real™ Mode
Tell me more about how a ranked mode necessitates wasting 5+ minutes being bored before each match, and give a reason other than 'the random guy that made a Warcraft III mod 15 years ago that every talentless company has since copied did it so we have to too'

Seeing your opponent team's comp during the load screen is all the time anyone should get to formulate their counter-strategy with the team they have picked themselves.
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>>183388731
Zuljin Uther Tyrael infinite tazdingo last week.

Had fun with Stitches Brightwing Butcher yesterday, hook into polymorph and/or emerald for isolation into Ruthless, though we had to baby Butch for the first 10min and there are probably better combinations for isolation/burst picks. Worked really well on Tomb though, because of all the terrain that hook can pull through while allies can't follow whoever you hook.
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@183389487
>comparing a cardgame with a MOBA

Alright guys we got a bait here dont give him (you)s just move along
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>>183388731
Flastad and Dehaka in general for "surprise bitches" when enemies think they are going to get a gank on our team only to be surprised blinded/stunned and then dps to death.
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>>183386732
>respect bans don't exist
>>
>It's been a year, I think I'll try some LoL
>First game
>Lobby is two people fighting over which lanes they want and one of them is a "smurf Challenger" as usual
>The game plays out like something straight out of a Kshaway video and 3 people are feeding hard
>Non-stop fighting in chat

>Second game
>Two Chinese players duo
>They're of course duo bot
>They curse the team the entire time
>If the jg comes anywhere near their lane, they spam ping and walk back to the tower

>Don't type in either games

Maybe I've been conditioned from HoTS since no one really talks to barely ever use team chat. People rarely ever argue and you don't run into trolling that often.

Back to HoTS it is. Just needed a quick several game reminder of why I don't play LoL anymore.
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>>183388390
Meka Tassadrs are usually insufferable
On the flip Meka Dehaka I have never had one that wasn't a pro
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Hi, I'll be your support for tonight.
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>>183390523
It only gets that bad in rank and HotS is a lot faster pace so pissing the wind with chat ensures a loss rather fast.
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BIG

ORC

COCK
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>>183387674
Silence and/or root. Butcher with Lambs will always eat him alive if he lands it first.
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>>183390763
He did nothing wrong to be honest.
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>>183391085
>>183387674
>best genji counter?
A good game designer who doesn't allow grossly imbalanced heroes to stay in the game for so long.
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>>183391216
How is he imbalanced? I think most players are just dumb.
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>>183390523
try doter instead
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>>183391413
No thanks
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how to play malthael
seems another one of those heroes i won't like even if learn them
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>>183390137
>I'm entirely devoid of abstract reasoning capability
>removing my opponent's ability to use the cards/heroes/ball he wants is good game design
>actually arguing for this
I sincerely always wonder what people have to gain from defending indefensible game design mechanics which actually hurt the health of the game.
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>>183368591
You just gotta get used to being paranoid as fuck and looking out for them.
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>>183391546
it can't be worse than league
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>>183391601
I literally can't see them sometimes, I don't think it's my eyes can it be some kind of FPS detail?
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>>183391556
You play him like Illidan.
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>>183391601
This proves that even trash like Nova is better than Valeera
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>>183387674
Lunara, Arthas and Gul'dan
>>183391216
Hello bronze leauge
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>123 % curse dmg
wut
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>>183391731
It depends. When a stealth hero is Unrevealable, the shimmer is not there until the Unrevealable status is gone like webm related. If it's not that, then I don't know why you can't see it.

I play with max settings, some people suggest lower settings instead to make the shimmers more obvious. You need to experiment and see what works best for you.
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I'm done with this shit game and it's shit matchmaking
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>>183391601
can't see it, even rewinding and trying like five times.
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>>183391601
The distortion is subtle enough that it can easily be overlooked unless you're actively scanning for it. It's also harder to see if they are still; and the texture pattern of where they are standing can make it more difficult as well.

After not too long your eyes will be trained to see it pretty easily
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>>183392024
>lower settings

I believe this is what might be causing that, I was wondering because sometimes I am really good at spotting them but other times is literally impossible.
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>>183391601
>paranoia
>condition self to always watch for twitchy irregular movement in peripheral vision
>now constantly going OH SHIT at moving shadow textures even in matches with no stealth characters
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>>183392024
post shimmers.01
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>>183391328
his imbalance is mostly in health pool and range of his dash
and being effectively manaless but thats pretty much everyone now aside from old heroes
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>>183392771
>in health pool
Very low?
>range of his dash
He wouldn't have much else
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>>183392136
Top left at the start, runs along the smoke vent. You can tell I notice when I cancel the mount and start running downwards to get away from it.

>>183392192
I think maybe like, low texture detail + high effects would work? Not really sure. I just think most problems are just the Unrevealable status because a lot of shimmers usually don't show up for me until they're halfway across the screen even when I'm looking back at recordings to see how I missed it. Like this one where the Valeera didn't come out of the smoke vent, she came straight from mid via the egg turn-in thingy but you don't see the shimmer until she's a few steps out into the lane.
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>>183392192
I find valeera v difficult to spot because she crouches when not moving, which makes the shimmer smaller, and moves at normal speed when walking. Compared to Zeras that mount up for a larger shimmer, and novas that take the mvt speed talent which also makes it more noticeable. I guess there's also Samuro but that's more of a 'lol who care he can't do anything to me anyways' deal where I don't need to bother watching for a shimmer
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help I fell for the waifuposters trap

I now enjoy playing tyrande
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>>183392857
not low enough you should say
he already have constant harassing and 4 ways to escape danger
cutting his e range by <10% is good enough so he cant just zoom from his back line to opponents that easy
while sudden ganks from sidelines wont be affected much
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>tfw will never get out of (-x points personal ranking adjusment) hell

even on a huge winstreak ill get at least -4 every single game
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>>183392143
>The distortion is subtle enough that it can easily be overlooked unless you're actively scanning for it
So it should (obviously) then be fixed to be more obvious.
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>>183386863
follow the league of legends design philosophy and make every hero in each role do the exact same thing but with a different minigame to play, so players can buy exactly one hero and then only play that one hero for the rest of their life
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>>183393156
His health is lower then Illidans, and I find him more annoying to deal with then Genji
>from his back line to opponents that easy
Then you will basically make him worthless
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>>183391941
>Hello bronze leauge
I'm higher ranked than you, shitbrick. Nice non-argument though.

I sincerely always wonder what people have to gain from defending indefensible game design imbalances which actually hurt the health of the game.
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>>183389487
>Magic the Gathering
>Balanced

w e w
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>>183392698
I made these to try and help people see the shimmers like when I do. Don't really think 01 does a good job of that anymore because most of the webm is fog and I just notice them instantly so it can't show a shimmer running some distance before being revealed, so I didn't post it.
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>>183393545
And I really wonder why people make a much bigger deal of an issue then what it really is, like you're doing with Genji.
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>>183389487
magic does ban cards though????
also a huge number of non-banned cards are just useless and not used in competitive decks
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>>183388731
zeratul gazlowe, VP into gravobomb into double tnt
straightforward but classic
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>>183393440
>his health is lower than diablo
thats how you sound
his job is to gank and flank, clean up after fights
not just safely sitting at the back at the max range
you seems to only think in extremes like thinking i propose removing his e and giving him murky hp
and there is nothing wrong if genji becomes worthless desu
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>>183392857
he has more hp than tracer
meanwhile, tracer
-has to stay closer to the enemy team during fights in order to autoattack
-has her get-out-of-jail-free on a 26 second cooldown instead of 12 or 10
-does not have Dodge or Deflect
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Omg I just spoke to a friend of mine who works at blizzard and he said that Garrosh was just a joke and they are actually releasing Maiev next
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>>183393675
but thanks to that one, I learned that shadows matter when looking for shimmers

so, thanks
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>>183394298
my uncles nieces cousins best friend works at blizzard too, its true
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Today I've had a winstreak of 5 games and queued up in quick match for another game, I picked stukov because I'm pretty confident and he's a good pick.
Gul'dan dies in lane versus Chromie, Zeratul and Valeera steamroll everything stomping us, I get disconnected and the bot feeds 7 kills. Gul'dan was at overall level 17.
I wish forced 50% wr was a meme.
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>>183393853
>Comparing Diablo to Genji
Then don't fill the same role, they aren't even in the same category. Don't be stupid
>>183394223
Meanwhile Tracer
Is a hero that only ranged AA heroes can really deal with
Her get-out-of-jail-free will get her out of roots and can heal her which Genji's cant.
Can spam her heroic like no other hero and be turned into a good tank busting hero
Can get some really high damage with untouchable
Can move while attack, no Genji can not do this.
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>>183394562
>Russian Gul'dan

You were always going to lose.
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>>183394223
Genji escape is no where near as powerful. Tracers can escape rooting as well as tracking effects like Azmodans Laser or Raynor's Raiders, Genji can't escape the raiders and if Azmo build went laser and was caste in melee range he is sol of likely escaping it in time and his protect isn't enough to stop it or break it while tracers out right cancels it.
Seriously what mains are you bring to make Genji such a hassle?
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>genji cannot move while attack
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>>183394848
all of these seem to forget that genji can teleport a screen away
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>>183394893
yeah, probably the worst hero ever made
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>>183394893
I think they mean he isn't out right able to mobile attack like the other OW heroes.
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>>183394893
He can't, he can finish his animation while moving but he has to stand still so start an new attack.
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>>183395065
It's kind of annoying because you can't right click a hero and then focus on positioning with force-moves, you have to be korean and click like a madman
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>>183395065
I mean yes but it takes like 5 extra apm to get the same effect anyways, it aint exactly hard
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>>183395031
only if he isn't rooted, stunned, silenced, also slow, blind taunt and fear can throw him off to where he is force to disengage or die. You might as well bitch about most hero talents. Are you just a hammer main and nothing else or something?
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>>183393682
>not posting more recent bans like Jace
I do own this one for instance.
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>>183395410
oy vei
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>>183394893
>genji still isnt nerfed
>people still defend this piece of shit easymode hero
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>>183391986
That's why he's a master and you aren't.
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>>183393590
>misses the more or less part
They manage to do it without making your opponent sit there for 5 minutes while you 'ban' cards out of his deck, too! (ie balance their game for them)

>>183393682
You're conflating two different uses of the word ban. This is called an ambiguity fallacy. They ban cards from certain formats entirely when they're overpowered. The reason this is required is because magic cards are physical objects. In digital space the game can simply be patched. ie there is even less excuse to allow grossly imbalanced game mechanics to run rampant in your game.
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>>183395660
>Genji broken piece of shit
>Malthael broken piece of shit
>Malthael recieves 2 hard nerfs
>Genji got buffed
>Genji was released much earlier and is still broken as fuck
:^)
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>>183395402
wowee turns out literally all of those except root also fuck tracer's get out of jail free card. And most of the time you can deflect for the entire duration of the root and escape anyway.
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>>183393680
His mobility is game-breakingly imbalanced to the point of being anti-skill and anti-fun and should therefore be fixed.
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>>183396164
>2 hard nerfs
>Still among the top of the game
>>183396306
His mobility is the only thing he has. Seriously who the fuck are you playing to have this much trouble with Genji?
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>Playing Malthael in QM
>Game ends
>Congratulations! You died x% less than the average of 5.6

How can your average be 5.6 deaths per game? Are Malthael players brain damaged?
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>>183396781
They saw the highlight videos where Malthael takes down an entire team or survives an entire team by himself and wanted to cope that.
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>>183396707
>Still among the top of the game
His win rating put him in the 15th place. Is that the top?
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>>183396707
get the fuck out genji cunt
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>STILL no info about garrosh
what the fuck are they doing
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>>183396965
Considering that the game has 69 heroes?
>>183396983
I don't even play Genji, nor do I have any trouble dealing with him.
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>>183397282
>Considering that the game has 69 heroes?
I'm not being sarcastic, I'm reall yasking if that's the op.
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>>183397331
Yes
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>Azmodan has a shit fit cause he GOT to play Azmodan over someone else who wanted him.
>Intentionally throws.

Like... I just don't even know how to rationalize this. Both dudes had him preselected. He gets the pick, then spends 4 minutes typing in all caps that the other guy would have just fucked it up, tells us he blocked the guy, then says if the other guy doesnt shut up, he will feed.

I just... what? WHAT?!
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>>183397282
nice, tell me more stories of gold 3 rating where people cant play genji
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>>183397501
>moba players are mentally unsound with paper thin skin
more at eleven

>>183396781
probably by seeing a clip of his launch state where he was able to walk into a 1v4 and win
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>>183397501
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SwYd5cRlROE
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>>183397550
Like people are any better in Platinum
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>>183397986
The point is, if you have no troube with genji, the genji players suck

he is so good its not even funny anymore, countering like 70 % of the heroes on default by his mobility
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>>183398252
So because you have so much trouble with Genji that means you suck?
>countering like 70 % of the heroes on default by his mobility
Meanwhile Tracer counters 87% of the heroes by default. But nobody is crying about her. Seriously who do you play to have this much trouble with Genji?
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>>183398493
Genji is 100 % ban / pick with the pros, hes prime 1st ban material, he will get picked by any good team first in hl and tl

no matter how much you want to deny it, he is broken if you know what youre doing with him, and his role perfectly fits the dive meta
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BY THE RITE OF RAKSHIR, *I* AM HIGHLORD!

Alarak announcer fucking when?
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>>183398807
>Alarak invokes rite of rak'shir
>Kill him
>I don't become highlord

umm tal'darim babs??
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>>183398803
>Genji is 100 % ban / pick with the pros
So is Auriel, and Auriel can be a lot harder to deal with then what Genji will be. So lets cry about how OP Auriel
>dive meta
This isn't Overwatch boy, no such thing as Diva meta in this game.

I repeat myself, who do you play to have this much trouble with Genji
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>>183398493
>Nobody is crying about Tracer+Tassadar

nice to know you literally have no clue what you're talking about. Tracer has a small enough healthpool that her getting stunned once typically means she's dead, Tassadar removes that problem and Genji has high enough health he'll typically escape with 200 health after being stunned unless literally everyone focuses him

>character that is literally first pick/ban at every major tournament
>lmao what r u bad if u have trouble with genji
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>>183399084
>auriel
>100 % pick ban
>no dive meta in this game

Oh Im sorry, I didnt realize you have no clue what you are talking about

please move on
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>>183399084
>implying Auriel is not OP

the reason people don't complain about Auriel is that she doesn't fucking kill you. Malfurion was undeniably OP for months, Uther still is but no one really complained cause no one gave a shit about supports being OP. It was more like "yeah it'd be kinda nice to have more variety in supports" rather than WHAT THE FUCK BLIZZARD

>Dive meta doesn't exist

wew laddie you really think you have any fucking clue what you're talking about.
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>>183399084
>This isn't Overwatch boy, no such thing as Diva meta in this game.
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>>183399163
>>183399279
He's right though there is no Diva meta.
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>>183399092
>that her getting stunned once typically means she's dead,
Same thing applies to Genji, but it's easier to hit Genji with a stun then Tracer.
>>183399163
>>183399279
If Diva meta was a thing then Stitches wouldn't see get picked in ranked game as often as he does. Anub gets picked a lot but that has more to do with the fact that he has two stuns and a shield.
>>
garry's abilities when
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>>183396164
>tfw you QM into hanamura as a bribe hero and the enemy team is too dumb to take their own camps so you get double your team's average xp contribution and win with a 4-level lead
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>>183399517
>>183399526
If you people think there is no dive meta you neither watch good players nor play at high rating

this isnt meant to be contrarian in any way, but you cant deny dive is prevalent atm
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>>183399692
Maybe after this series is over like the last time with Stukov.
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>>183399743
And when is that?
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>>183399950
Dignitas just won 3-0 so it would be soon.
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>>183399705
There's no Diva meta there will never be a Diva meta. Get the fuck over it kook fetishist.
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>>183394893
>all OW heroes can attack while moving except Zarya
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What patch is this on? Still the malthael patch?
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>game crashes about 30 seconds in
>gone for two minutes thanks to shitty reconnect
>load back in right as first curse spawns
>bot fort already solo'd by gazlowe


NA hero league.
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>>183400131
Stukov patch but he is still not allowed.
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>>183400063
>mfw imagining feel the heat zarya attacking while moving

this talent is so sleeper op, I love it
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>>183400206
For what purpose?
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>>183400254
Balance.
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>>183400063
AND Zarya is the only OW hero that isn't utter cancer. Coincidence? You decide.
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>>183400206
Thanks, finally they caught up
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>>183400636
Bullshit she was always cancer in OW.
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>>183400636
>Zarya
>Not a cancer
You ever fought a Zarya where your team are so stupid where they keep attacking targets with shields up?
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>>183400705
Yeah when they were playing in the probious patch when Genji was released blizzard said they were going to make some changes.
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A leak from Blizz trailer team...guess its him next huh
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>>183400887
it's garbage mawma
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>>183399084
I think there's a lot of echo chamber whining about Genji, largely due to the fact that it's easier to blame overtuned heroes than admit you fucked up or play poorly. The Genji criticism generally is valid, but the vast majority of us aren't in masters/GM/pro so we don't really see high level genji play, and memes aside, he is a higher skillcap hero compared to most others.

I would argue that for those of us in bronze-diamond, he isn't really first ban/first pick material since he actually has to be played well to be effective and is difficult to do so, unlike malthael on release, but his oppressiveness in the hands of good players /is/ undeniable.

He's in a weird place because his position is basically the reverse of say, Azmodan who sees lots of success from afk splitpushing at low levels, but is worthless vs any players who know how to rotate and send gankers to deal with him at more competent levels of play.

>no dive meta
We are moving towards a dive meta though. Buffs to tassadar, (indirectly buffing and bringing tracer, illidan back into relevance) uther's entire kit, hypermobility, etc all point to shifting away from tank heavy and more towards dive comps again
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>>183401090
>high level Genji play
Just poke impqu to play with you
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>>183400636
Ah yes the same dyke immune to all attacks while shielded and gets stronger if you are stupid enough to shoot her. Lets not forget she will be killing you regardless if you shoot her or not. You try to kill Genji raping your team? Too bad he gets bubbled. Let not forget she combos with pretty much anyone easily winning the fight.
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>>183400887
If they wanted to bait us like that they shouldve shown that 1st april Talandar video
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>>183378465
no she isn't kill yourself fucker
I didn't even play her but you're triggering me so I'll play nothing but Tyrande for a few days
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>>183401207
The same dyke that has no initiation and no cc,yes.
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>>183401090
and a diva meta will easily be countered by the likes of Diablo and Johanna
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http://us.battle.net/heroes/en/heroes/garrosh/
>that skin
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>>183401309
He's right, Tyrande is trash, there is a reason literally nobody plays her. She is good at dueling but if you are constantly dueling you are probably just playing QM
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>>183401372
Well good thing she isn't a tank then but a brusier.
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>>183401513
I wonder if he is going to get a Grom skinf or a Sha touched skin.
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>>183401513
Anon pls no bully
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>>183401372
Her ult is a cc you fucktard.
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>>183401534

b-but muh reddit twitch clip
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>>183400887
nice another shitty race
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>>183401513
>404
I want to see the skin, post plx!
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>>183401661
>literally malf root you can dash out of or a 45 sec cooldown holy ground
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>>183401513
>past 8pm in EU
>still not even skillset
REEEEEEE
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>>183401372
>initiate fight with a crowd control ult

What did you mean by this?
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>>183401407
How so? Neither of them has notable CC that can lock dive heroes down or be chained with additional CC and the whole point of a dive comp is to bypass the tanks and go after the squishies directly. I think the only reason it's becoming more prominent is because of buffs/changes that allow for greater survivability (Uther armor, tassadar shield/drain) and then getting out again, not really seeing how Diablo/Jo shut that down. Maybe ETC?
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Where is the indev video?
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>>183401661
>>183401926
>bronzies waste her ult on initiation
What a joke
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>>183391731
Part of it is that you're not looking for a shimmer because you're focusing on other things. If you pay attention to where your enemies are and where they've last shown it can be a lot easier to go "Hey a gank is probably incoming" and start paying attention for shimmer.

>>183391986
It's relative to the rest of your team.
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>>183401840
>>183402002
You do realize its a team game? The point of it is to combo your shit with your team if that wasn't the case Zarya whole kit would be worthless.
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>>183401945
>Diablo
Charge and slam
>Johanna
Slow, Pull and stun, blind. Then there is also Brightwing which is also a strong counter to Dva
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>>183402261
But Zarya is worthless in the current meta
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>>183401090
Here's the problem with genji in a nutshell in my perspective

Typical teamfight where both sides aren't idiot has one or two people die on one team and the surivors scramble to disengage, most of them successfully.

However if genji is on the other team his mobility is so great combined with the reset that it's near impossible for the losing team to cut their losses. And he does enough damage/is survivable enough not to be useless beforehand.

There are other chaser/finisher capable characters (tracer, Greymane, illidan, li ming) but the degree to which he can do it is on a whole other level.
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>>183400063
I guess you can call that a secret passive for OW heroes. What about others?
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>>183402002
Tbh expulsion isn't really directly impactful in a team fight but is fantastic for isolating and helping your team get a pick right before a tf so it's not actually bad for initiation if you see a good opportunity and aren't going to use it to zone out an objective. Graviton is junk and I don't think anyone takes it.
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>>183392879
The enemy valeera gank was fucking brilliant there. I've seen this clip before, but she sneaks into the smoke from blueside topright side and waits in it for a bit, then when you finally see her move she's exiting out of the bottom-left corner of the vent and she's basically already in the middle of the lane, it takes her less than 2 seconds to get onto the extremely baiting d.va and punish her for playing stupid.

Was very well done by the valeera and I have almost no respect for them because they're usually awful.
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>initiating with reverse polarity is bad
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>>183402343
He says just as Zarya was picked in a ranged game
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>>183305065
New
>>183402618
>>183402618
>>183402618
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>>183402305
DIVE meta m8. As in heroes that dive the backline. Not Dva, the overwatch hero. Nobody is talking about Dva.
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>>183402305
Has this retard been talking about Dva this whole time?
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>>183402696
as in "take a dive"
the new meta is trying to make the enemy team tilt as hard as possible
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>>183402763
I think so. Jesus fucking christ.
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>>183402397
by the same logic, if the team genji is on is losing, there's nothing much he can do to initiate a comeback
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>>183386618
Except they can see you. They literally can see you.
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>>183401090
>unlike malthael on release
I'd argue that malthael on release wasn't actually *tooooo* overpowered, his main thing was that he thrived off of unforced errors and people liked to play terribly and make mistakes vs him. He was strong but not completely retarded. His kit was also largely interconnected so it was kind of hard to distinguish exactly what was just a bit out of line with him or not.
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>>183402397
Genji hardly ever a problem any cc fucks his deflect and stops his ult if he is dumb enough to get dragonblade. The only time he is a threat is if you are low running away. Most of the game he will just be poke with q hoping for someone to be low. Lets say he never dies, but leaves his team to die. He has no real way clear waves or stop the enemy team from pushing.
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>>183401513
You've been doing this for two days. You're being a shit.
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>>183384702
>>183384741
>>183385325
Actual answer: Because Blizzard allows insanely broken heroes to run amok through their game, Genji being one.
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>>183402696
>>183402763
I misspelled dive, it's an easy mistake to make.

No bully
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>>183403337
Genji is a hero that takes advantage of stupid people like you. Of course you would think he is op.
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>>183402442
>What about others?

Terran heroes tended to have much larger health pools than other characters because of the power armor. This stopped being a thing with Raynor nerfs. Stukov is unarmored and has a low healthpool. Hammer had a pretty decent HP pool too.

Protoss used to have a mini theme, alarak sort of bucked the trend.

I want to say that diablo characters all had a lot of damage but johanna kind of screws that stament.
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>>183390523
I feel like recently the amount of trolls, people who don't speak english and generally mad people have increased, probably with 2.0.
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>>183403142
Malth in release was nutso though. It just took people a week or two to figure out how to talent him to optimally minmax. He was designed to shit all over tanks, problem was that he shit all over everyone because of his armor and his ability to successfully 1v3 just by marking people and mashing q.
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>>183404214
I played him on ptr and had him on day one. He had issues doing shit to you if you were ranged, it was people getting tagged by shit that they shouldn't that let malthael just fuck everything up.

He could really only get that off of his ult, because his skillshot was fucking slow. Unforced errors.
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>>183396235
slow doesn't if the Tracer is good. Because both her dash and rewind are not effected by the slow, just her move speed.
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>>183393214
nerfing something like stealth is difficult because the effect of the nerf increases the higher skill level you go. for example, let's say they make the shimmer slightly more visible; on the lower skill levels, where people aren't paying attention, this results in a slight increase in stealth heroes getting detected, like a 10% difference, let's say. however, for medium-high skill levels, where people have already trained to find stealth heros under the old shimmer, the new shimmer makes it much more obvious to them, so it'd make something like a 20% difference. this difference would make stealth(and thus stealth heros) effectively useless. at least, that's my thought on it.
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>>183405126
is gonzo's dash affected by slow
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>>183405219
Does stealth even need to be nerfed? It's easily countered in draft with the right picks and aside from Zeratul, stealth heroes are almost universally considered to be garbage. Only reason zera isn't is because he's highly mobile, does good damage even out of stealth, and VP. Only place stealth stomps people is QM and I doubt anyone considers QM to be the ideal place for making balance decisions
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remove the shimmer, and the invisibility
just have them be blue-outlined for both teams, and have its only benefit be that you can't right-click or use unit-target abilities on them
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>>183406068
blizz has said they intend to rework it

probably will end up with something like true-no-shimmer invis but you become revealed when close enough to enemy heroes, which would be a buff in high level games (when people would always see the shimmers anyways) but a nerf in low level games (where the shimmer may as well not exist)
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>>183406215
No. The game doesn't become better by removing mechanics from it.
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>>183406380
remove last hitting
remove denying
remove items
remove gold
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>>183406459
Those were decisions made during the development of the game.
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>>183406563
right
they took doter, and made it better by removing mechanics

now take hots
and make it better
by removing a mechanic
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