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>Upcoming changes
In Development: Skill Balance, SummonAI, PvP, Cards https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/view.php?n=1047
New Saalus Map https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yjeuv7J3G3A
Field Bosses Rework https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92RrTQUGbk8
Summon Buffs http://tos.nexon.com/testserver/notice/view.aspx?n4ArticleSN=69
Fishing System https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJPB7KbPk60
DPK gone https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/view.php?n=1032


>Info and details about re-balance
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/ktest-ktos-class-rework-thread-important-info-in-1st-post/354628

>HG 315 Purple Weapons X Practonium Purple Weapons
https://pastebin.com/78mTQn1Y


>Latest Patch Notes
https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/?c=3&n=1
https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/view.php?n=1045

>Current events
https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/?c=33&n=1

>Can I play the game now?
International version available on Steam RIGHT NOW. The Korean and Japanese servers are non-steam (Nexon)


TOS Info: http://pastebin.com/3YcrrJkd
This includes more detailed information, as well as tools, resources, patch notes and official links

>Addon Manager (includes jTOS and iTOS addons)
https://github.com/JTosAddon/Tree-of-Savior-Addon-Manager/releases


>Database, skill planner and other stuff
DO NOT FOLLOW BUILDS FROM TOSBASE
https://tos.neet.tv


>Extra Stat Points
http://pastebin.com/6Y3R7aYt

>Hunting Grounds locations and gear spreadsheet (all in RNG cubes now)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1fP4G1JjL2pj6wMfpL_3o9pFWYIKpr3QnYgQ-XTfK21k/pubhtml#


>Servers
- iTOS: Klaipeda (NA) Fedimian(EU) Silute(SA) Telsiai(SEA)

>/tosg/ Guilds info:
There is no /tosg/ guild in Varena, if you want one, either wait for someone to make one or roll a Templar.
If Guild is recruiting, please post in the thread.

>Klaipeda
Futureproof (ApplyAFineHorse3)
cute (Merigolds and Majiene)

>Orsha
Kotatsu (Colyo)

>Telsiai
Comfy (neshoi)

>Fedimian
CoffeeHouse (Capyba)

>Silute
Lewd (Nanaumi)
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sluts and gayboys in bikinis
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>early but looks fine

>>183246190
was not me
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>we want the TF2 audience
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>>183246452
>TF2
retard
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>>183246553
>nonsensical and retarded looking hats and accessories that dont fit the games design
>not TF2
off yourself
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anti-slut mods when
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>>183246779
soon.. for sure
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hnng that loading screen

>>183246674
>Asian mmo
>Not having nonsensical things for cash grab
Pick one.
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>>183246934
>STAFF_Julie mod
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>>183245873
my dick
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>>183248071
>>183247024
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>>183245873
>bσ
>PINK
ruined, is making it plain color without cancer words/initials too much to ask...
it is reasonable for the weeb swinsuit but not for the pink one
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>>183248560
>it is reasonable for the weeb swinsuit
funny thing.. the name plate on that one is empty, not even pixelated 'TOS' on it
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>>183248298
>Tan
MUH-
>Outfit doesn't actually come with a tan
Son of a.
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Reminder that people who start new generals early for slow generals should be gassed.
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>>183249503
This saddens me deeply.

All these oddly multicultural classes but no delicious brown lolis, seriously wtf.
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>>183251561


we don't even have lolis in this game
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>>183252048
This is even sadder news.
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>>183252048
Homunculus! Pawnd and Pawndel!t
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>>183252758
>Pawnd and Pawndel
Oh wow, they are actually not ugly, almost cute. to bad ingame most monsters look so lame
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>>183254060
Those are actually way better looking from those angles, nice.

First person mode when
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>>183246369
Man, I want to FUCK a Vakarine

>>183252758
Malstatues too, sort of.

>>183253537
The monsters don't so much look lame as that they're set at bad angles and you can't move the camera to see them.

These are some of the biggest offenders.
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/41316
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/58153
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs/41258
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>>183254334
>Greentoshells are buff, blushing crabmen with huge hats
Goddammit anon, I used to think they were cute. Already had Shardstatues ruined for me by tosg before though.
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>>183246934
Are there any mods that give the characters butts? Getting real tired of seeing these wide hips but completely flat asian style asses.
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>>183254997
Butt asian style asses are the best. Small shapely toned butts over bucket tubs of lard any day.
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>>183256068
Asians don't have toned butts as asian girls do not exercise because they think even doing a few squats will turn them into mannish bodybuilders. They only have no-ass or flabby no-ass. Butts are also muscle with a layer of fat over them, not tubs of lard like boobs are.
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>>183256614
Are you stupid?
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>>183257512
Not a re-butt-al
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>X is going to kill TOS!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LRDUBbDqPgs
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How does the Manamana anvil enhancement effect work? Is it like free Trans for the weapon? Also what + do I need it to be for it to be good for SR farming at 315 without breaking my bank and making an Aspana?
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>>183259124
But ToS falls under this video too.
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>>183259124
why the fuck Resident Evil waa in this video?
Also ToS should have been in this too
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>>183259352
>>183260159
ToS still has like 10% of it's highest peak (~20% of its concurrent), not like 95% loss rate, and is fairly stable instead of actual dead.

The point though is that a lot of those games where shilled here while saying ToS was going to die in a couple months while all those games crashed and burned and ToS is still here with the same base from like 8 months ago. .
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Quick, give me a good summoner build, I'm actually enjoying the class but besides summoning I know shit all to spec it
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>>183260540
back then ToS was also a better game
Next time it might not be so lucky
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>>183261192
summon shit
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tfw torn between putting up 10s of thousands of 290ish sp potions for the huehues or waiting for them to run out like they're been doing lately and charge a premium.
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>>183263585
People buy lvl 15 condensed potions anyway
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Is a Maple leaf with +99 physical attack and +11 critical rate good?
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>>183263981
Not the best rolls, but a good combo. Keep it unless you're feeling lucky.
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>Leveling alt and doing quests for fun
>Kill quest sequence boss
>Get thrown into Ticenfest 2017, complete with 6fps for some reason
There were surprisingly some bots wandering around too, almost nostalgic of when people grinded Maven and its torch gimmick.
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Just bought an appraiser voucher for 6m. Did I do Good /tosg/?
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>>183267340
You saved yourself 8h+ of questing for just 6m
In 8h you can make 16m
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>>183267471
thank you. Are they tradeable btw?
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>>183267594
Yes.
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Rank 9?
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How many trades does a Non-token user and a 7 days token have? Can they even trade 1 item?
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>>183267792
Coming early 2019 to iTos :)
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>>183267871
Thanks
Can't already wait though
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>>183240526
did they fuk
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fedimian is alive
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Quite a retarded question, what's a good roll of enchants? What do people usually look for?

Just got
crit rate 10 and
crit resistance 12

don't know if I should roll again or not, thanks.
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I have a question regarding Chapparition proc rotation. Currently I go Laima Statue>Divine might>Sp potion that triggers Chapparition>Prana
Then I have about 2 seconds left and go OOB>Astral explosion.
Would it be better to go Chap proc>prana>BDS>Incineration instead?
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>20 earth canceril cubes
>no Wind Runner Recipe
FUCK YOU KIM.
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>>183271656
BDS>Incineration>Chap proc>prana>OOB>Astral explosion
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>>183271656
So does transmit prana snapshot your matk or not?
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>>183271807
arent BDS and Incineration affected by prana?
>>183272010
it does not
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>>183272068
Yes but they don't snapshot.
They'll be ticking the whole time during your combo, basically getting boosted for the full duration of chappies while you're free to cast other things.
With diev Incineration has 100% uptime and BDS uptime is pretty good too, so there's no reason to no precast them.
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>>183271656
>>183271807
forgot to say that I usually cast Pandemic for mobs between BDS and Incineration and close the roation with possession
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It's pointless micro optimisations anyway. That, plus brainletism.
If you know that prana doesn't snapshot your matk, then why ask if you should cast your dots before or after chapps.
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>>183272230
>>183272210
it all comes down on what does more damage between astral body explosion and possession pn both mobs and bosses. I don't know
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>>183271517
>Always Keep/Resell
AOE Attack Ratio
Movement Speed

>Always Desired
Physical Attack
Magic Attack

>Sometimes wanted
Health
AOE Defense Ratio

>Hope you have something above too
Crit Rate
Magic Amplification
Elemental Damage

>Useless
Crit Resistance
Elemental Resistance
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>>183272657
>Elemental Damage
This is useless too.
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>>183272657
Alright thanks. Just rerolled and got HP and MAtk up, I guess I'll keep it for a while.
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>>183272576
I have the same question on what does more damage between those 2 skills
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>>183273218
Why not just try it?
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>>183273357
It's really hard to keep track of all the numbers of both attacks
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>>183273475
You're gonna go far kid
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fellerino when itos will get the swimsuit patch in late september
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>>183273730
>>183273357
>>183273218
>>183273475

tested, possession does way more damage than Astral body explosion
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>>183271807
You do lose alot of damage not casting prana before BDS and Incineration you know?
It takes about 3 seconds to BDS+Incineration+potion, in those 3 seconds you lose 6 ticks from BDS and 6 Ticks from incineration which would do way more damage if you used prana before casting them. While it's a good idea to Proc chap after BDS and Incineration, there is no point in casting prana after chap since it does not snapshot
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>>183275317
Congrats man! You did it!
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>>183274806
Last year ktos got the old swimsuit costumes around July 28th, and we got them on August 16th.
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>tfw literally no idea of what the fuck do in this game right now
>19 IPs
Dead game and dead general
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>>183277475
post anime tiddies
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>tfw watching my skellies kill shit all day long
>20 IPs
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>ask /terag/ about trying the game
>some shood me
>some were helpful
>thanked the anons
>nobody posted for over 2 hours
>compare to tosg
>even tosg got replies for the last 2 hours
wow tera more ded than tos
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>>183278517
don't fool yourself, ironic shitposting, le /c/ute pic and le ebic tit cropped lewds doesn't count as making this general alive
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>>183278808
wrong
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>open le tosg
>post an anime tiddies
>22 IPs
>tfw i just come here for post and download anime tiddies
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>>183279050
Fuck off weeb
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>100 crystal mine runs
>only 1 werewolf card
Fuck me , I hope that at least that I can get cards before the card changes hit.
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>>183281843
Given how long it takes shit to get here you probably have plenty of time.
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>>183281843
At least you have a lot of silver from that.
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>>183282112
Yeah, selling the portium is nice.
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>>183282223
Not to mention 60k of silver drops per run.

Phydecium also sells well too.
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>>183259124
>Pokemon Go
>2/3 decline after starting with over 28 million users
This kind of nonsense is why games usually refuse to publish player numbers. At that level of mainstream exposure, where almost all of the players are casuals, retaining a few million daily users (enough to rank among the top 50 cities in the world if they were residents) is very good. For comparison, a quick google search estimates the daily worldwide active users for having sex at 4%. Faggots need to stop expecting every game to be the most popular thing ever created in the history of humanity.

That's not much consolation to ToS where the issue is matchmaking, which has to be active enough to facilitate interaction in game, but we'd still be hearing "dead game" if it had grown steadily from 50k to 500k peak users instead.
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I-If I show my t-tiddies, will you stop being ded?
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>>183286384
I wanna titfuck that dumb bakarine
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>>183286384
yes, do it
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>>183286384
Only goddesses tiddies can save us, do it
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>Shining Silver Anvil in the market 1.5m
Really?
You know what anvil upgrade costs more than 1.5m?

A +19 solmiki 2h weapon
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>>183287062

kek
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>>183286384
>>183286987
try it?
is free game afterall
just b urself
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If goddess tiddies save the thread, then just post the goddess of tiddies
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Hmmmm.
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Best tiddies
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>>183291365
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>>183290753
>Ein Sof
>Creates magic circle that drastically increases your tiddies for a period of time.
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10/10 game discussions
>32 IPs
when we will move to /ammg/?
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>>183291835
Never, we're small not dead.
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>>183291835
never!
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>>183291957
Nice rare ohayou, mind if i steal it?
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693 TP well spend

to bad white pig will maybe get 1 costume or hat and a bunch of potions for that much TP
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>>183292460
Post butt. You've only shown how they look from the front.
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>>183292114
Stealing is bad, anon. Ohio stealing is the baddest.
Donut steel

>>183292645
from yesterday
https://my.mixtape.moe/uvuzxj.webm
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>>183292774
Too late, i have stole your ohayou
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>>183292774
damn, so THICC
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>>183292460
>Tahum Warlock
Holy fuck you weebs can't get a single thing right
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>>183292950
>Tahum
What?

also
>Test Server
>Class Reset event for like a month (gone now , but will return)
>extra easy+fast leveling
and not 'playing' there now
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>>183292920
enjoy your 20+years prison
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>>183267809
>Non-token user
Zero

>7 days token
That is a event token, also Zero.

They can trade but any item will become untradeable.
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>>183292774
>>183292920
>>183294742

mia, stop
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Does each channel has it's DPK or is it shared?
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>>183296929
another rare ohayou
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How easier is it to farm high ex-DPK orange mats on ktos?
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>>183297506
No, and one of them is not me.
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>>183297606
HG's dpk is map-wide.
Normal dpk is per channel.
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>>183297740
post your feminine penis
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>>183297757
Oh okay, does anybody know if those mobs spawned by elites count for DPK?
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>>183298529
they do not
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>>183298529
Do they drop anything, even silver?
If yes they do.
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>>183297692
respond
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>>183297692
>>183299231
Didnt farm there and dont think others spend much time farming there too.
They dont even sell for much
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>>183299572
>They dont even sell for much
Because they have pract-only p2w recipes.
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>>183299787
They do not.

But maybe because.. its 1 year old 'content'?
Normal for old stuff getting cheaper, pract too. Even here most people have 1 or more Orange by now.
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>>183299735
Reminds me of this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cF4OnySqWoQ
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second gem after more than 1000 tries lmao
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How much for a pirate hat with mspeed?
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>>183300297
Totally worth rerolling!
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>elemental damage is bad on hats

dude? do you know that elemental damage is good for budget SRs?

3x elemental hats = +270 dmg, that's +810 final damage per autoatk when using cafrisun and sacrament. You actually need to crit or have a very high attribute level in limacon 15 to surpass this damage using 3x +120 atk hats
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>>183304081
it is bad/weak for all except SR/QS
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>>183304381

it's okay for meme chaplain too

also, if you're poor and play different alts like one wizard one cleric and one archer, 3x elemental hats are a decent investment alongside cafrisun
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>>183304081
>3x elemental hats = +270 dmg, that's +810 final damage per autoatk when using cafrisun and sacrament. You actually need to crit or have a very high attribute level in limacon 15 to surpass this damage using 3x +120 atk hats

Limacon is 290% damage on limacon shots. Call it 300. 3x 120 patk hats is 360 patk. 360 patk x 300% is 1080 damage per shot from hats.
That's higher than 810.

elemental damage is still fine for SRs, though.
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just got a +11 manamana. worth a lv 7 gem or 6 is fine?
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>>183305121
you gonna use that for a long time? if yes Lv7
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quality
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>>183308798
Hey i'm a stage 8, do you wanna be my personal chronoslut?
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>>183310752
>stage 8
*blocked
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What's the best build if I want to play a giant waifu?
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>>183311213
something with Runecaster in it
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>>183299735
Mia and the mio's
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>>183311345
Thaumaturge doesn't help with that at all?
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>>183311629
there used to be a bug with thaum + runecaster where you could become VERY HUGE but idk if it's still possible
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>>183312184
that bug did not need thaum, but i think its fixed
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>>183312184
>>183313379
rip
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inb4 she doesn't get any loot
is world bossing even a thing still?
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>>183314909
>she
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>>183315182
cute!
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>>183316121
Byakuren a shit
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>log in
>get to character screen
>remember no content
>remember more trashy costumes in the p2w cubes
>remember they keep making that shit instead of fixing core problems with the game
>remember they think pvp balance is something worth working on right now
>remember summer's getting close to an end and they haven't even teased R9 classes on kToS
>remember even if they did we'd still just have ET to use them in
>click exit game
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>>183315182
When VR is finally realized, would you bang his character?
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>>183310181
this games animation and its quality gets worse and worse after every update
i remember spending hours watching tincturing animation back then, now everything looks really off
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>>183318565
ofc not, she looks cute and pure. and that'd be very lewd
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>>183317673
>tfw you realize the game has no good endgame content except recycle tower
why did they scrap all the pvp content again?
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>doing job change to inquisitor
>read the book, pic related
>other book can't be read
>talk to inq master, just says to "study carefully"
>after being a retard for 10 minutes or so, actually notice that the quest on the side says where to go
why the fuck didn't he just say that there were heretics there
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>>183325104
You were being tested.
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>>183325104
he actually studied it carefully the madman
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uhmm

http://store.steampowered.com/app/682390/Tree_of_Savior__Reset_Pack_for_EU_Servers/
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>>183326020
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>>183326020
nice p2w game you got there tosRETARDS
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>>183326020
why is it only for EU?
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>>183326860
It's not ONLY for EU. It's just that this particular DLC is for Fedicucks only. I's the same for regular DLC and TP packs.
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>>183326020
>2017
>playing this game
Watch kTOS get it for free in a "log in every day" event
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>>183326169
Where does it say anything about costing money?
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>>183327273
>HOT PRICE
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>still playing ToS
LMAO anyone with a brain quit last year
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>>183328431
I actually enjoy it. You don't need to spend a penny to complete the game and have fun
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we beat the game, even though it doesn't matter at all at this point
cute strong
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So, as a SR3 how many points should I put into DEX depending on ping? Until I get 2 hits per second?
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>breaking wheel
>strike debuff
>strike debuff
>hand knife (armor break)
>pop mole
>god smash 3x,555k each one without crit, hit twice thanks to breaking wheel

why is this allowed on support tree?
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>>183329276
you're taking 4 non-support circles for that
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>>183329276
you take 3 monk circles for that, which are not support
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>>183326020
Nice, dont need now, but will buy it

>>183327203
rember this?
https://treeofsavior.com/event/wildtalesofthesasters/

in KR the last day reward was RankResetVoucher (60Days)
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>>183326860
http://store.steampowered.com/search/?term=Tree%20of%20Savior%20reset%20
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>>183267001
>for fun
How
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>>183329420
>>183329361

Cleric 2, priest, diev...

Heal should have been a rank 7/8 skill.
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>>183330192
Or some scaling should be available with C1 plus a Rank requisite.
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In which dungeon isbality recipe drops?
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>>183329276
Strike debuff? which skills you talking about?
Hand Knife? you mean Carve attack?
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This game's ending is really good
Don't mind the shit quality by the way i fucked up my settings when I recorded it
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>>183326020
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>>183329025
I need to know too. About to hit 160 dex
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>>183330569

Monk has Double Punch and God Finger flick as strike debuffs, plus hand knife as armor break as a POTENT armor break.

You can achieve similar results with only monk 1 desu
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Please write a link to kToS build ranking
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>>183330678

>stacking 30 restoration buffs

CHEATER!
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>>183331275
as you can clearly see paladin 3 is really strong in the right conditions, it carried us
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>>183291835
We're not dead!
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>>183330678
>game crashes after beating it so you can't see ending and requires you to reply it
What genius could be behind this?
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>>183331770
it's the best possible ending
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>>183329865
What's with shit getting fucked up in the international/western versions? Happened all the time in DFO and Vindickus too.
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>>183330062
I'm a lorefag and like experiencing the tons of different quests/dialogue/maps again, it's super chill too. Better than grinding the same few maps/dungeons/enemies for the millionth time.
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So what does the Imperial Fan weapon do? I thought it pushes away people but it doesn't seem to work even on mobs.
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>>183334603
Nothing besides that push wave effect.
Its a 'cosmetic' 'fun weapon'
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>>183330192
Heal needs to be a "filler" heal with magic attack scaling and then put actual good heals on certain later trees that are thematically appropriate; ex: Sterea Troph heals over time, Sadhu can fuse the spirit with an ally instead of themself to heal them, etc.
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>>183333481
I like doing that too, but for me the comfiest class to do it on is Archer3, and I already made two Archer3 Wugu3s and a Archer3 Scout3, I'm not sure how I can fit Archer3 in another build.
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>>183326020
http://store.steampowered.com/app/682410/Tree_of_Savior__Reset_Pack_for_SA_Servers/

br ppl gets it too
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>>183335862
>restoration actually restoring health
wouldn't that be a crazy world
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>>183336227
>BR
>people
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>>183336316
Resto's improved heal tiles thing is a good idea actually it's just devs are pussies and will never actually balance heals in a way that it's ever necessary and even if they did resto is a scroll too. Poor paladins.
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>>183336564
>implying IMC sees any of you as anything but cash cows
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by the way, we cleared 40F with this composition:
high3 barb1 doppel3
cryo3 chrono3 sage
cleric3 paladin3 kabba1 inquis
a2 QS3 fwee3
cleric2 priest3 krivis2 taoist
thoughts? I believe paladin is overpowered and should be nerfed instead of allowing them to use stronger weapons. They can clear 40F after all
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How do I build the skillset for a Falconer?
What the fuck do I DO with a Falconer?
I made a new account and got it to like 317, A2Sap3Falc3, but I feel like all I use it for is Preemptive Strike.
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#311555eee.1a4a5a.112e4f6a85.11354f598ac5
How do I fix this.
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>>183337036
The hell is the purpose of Krivis 2? Somebody couldn't bear the thought of having a build with any attack skills?
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>>183337653
Invest millions into attributes then become a support bitch for the characters that actually do damage.
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>>183337676
just daino I guess, I don't really know
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>>183337676
canelle is really an autist that uses "support" as an excuse to be carried all the time
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>>183337676
Daino!
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>With this in mind, we also intend to create a way for players to gain Reset Vouchers in game, such as, through the adventure journal, but more details about this will be announced at a later date.

https://treeofsavior.com/page/news/view.php?n=1052
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>>183338610
>we also intend to create
yeah, sure, didnt heard that before from IMC
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>>183338875
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>>183338565
>>183337820
I guess it doesn't matter as long as somebody can do damage but wasting 2 ranks to save money on Daino scrolls you'll use a few times a day doesn't sit right with me, could at least go Miko Oracle and be useful dancing in counterspell.
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>have to spend over $50 to get the look I want
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>>183341473
Why do you guys even care about these new costumes? They're stupid, don't fit the setting at all, and most of you guys are generic as hell moeblobs. The characters I can actually remember the design of are always in tasteful costumes not the weebshit and cat ears.
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Is this skill worth putting points into, now
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I come back every couple of weeks just to make sure my guild is still alive and in the OP.

Please tell me honestly. Has the game improved at all?
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>>183341918
1 point is fine. It's an okay filler.
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>>183341918
Yes
At least 1 or some leftover points. low attri, like 50, also good.

>>183341927
barely
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>>183341927
Current Futureproof is at its most alive because you're not there anymore.
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>>183341640
You are my nigga. Tasteful costumes are the best.
In-lore, blends in yet unique. It's all about the creation of a characterization.
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>>183341927
I miss you. Please come back
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>>183341640
I want the bunny girl outfit and bunny ears for my wiz along with a different eye color.
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>>183342334
Anonymous did nothing wrong it's the kitty that ran that ship into the ground.
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>>183342334
Rude. I wasn't the most useful person around but I certainly wasn't dead weight.

Just looking at this thread gives me a good idea already. There's no guild drama anymore(within or across servers), although lewd/cuteposting and doomposting doesn't seem to have fallen out of fashion. I am really glad I got to see what lies at the end of the last-guild-standing contest we had before.

>>183342619
My only regret in this game is to not have quit SOONER than I had. I immediately felt as if a huge weight had been lifted from my shoulder. Not from being a guild leader, but the stress from having to run all those boring daily instance chores every single day.

The more I play Korean games, the more I question myself why.
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>someone shout token in market for 3m+
>withdraw 3m
>buy token
>3m still in inventory
?????????????????????????
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ALIVE!
something something -21.84%
Since game is pay2resetvoucher now what are you going to play, anon?
Don't tell me you're going to play RO again... you have to be really sad human being to actually do that
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>>183338610
Yeah, just like all the hair dye that you can attain from doing things in game! Oh wait, ever since they said that they haven't added a single dye to anything other than the TP shop.
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>>183347850
I'm going back to WoW. New TBC private server with amazing coding is being released in 14 hours. I took off work, got a couple of my friends from back then in on it, and I'm just going to order a pizza and chat with friends while playing BC. It'll be high school all over again.
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>have to buy a consumable item to use a skill
Is this even worth it in most cases?
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>>183347850
Nothing changed, even tosg asked for it.
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SR here and what do I use? Red or Green gem on both main and gun?
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>>183348656
Nope, why do you think Wugushi and Fletcher are so dead?
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>>183348743
That's why there's only 52 IPs instead of 100+ like it used to be
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>>183348809
Greens on both weapon and sub weapon if you're not Rogue SR3.
Yellows on your xbow and reds on your pistol if you're Rogue SR3.
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>>183349051
I went Ranger 2 Appraiser 1. So All greens then.
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>>183348904
tomorrow it'll be 70+
like each thread

nice ded gam meme
and p2w is not now in tos
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>>183348656
You could compare it to classes that have to chug SP pots too, it's just a few more enemy kills to mitigate costs.

Wugushi poisons are pretty cheap and last a long time, more so if you get the attribute that uses less per skill. I can't personally speak for the rest.
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>>183348809
Reds on pistol always, even greens CRate won't match the PAtk pound for pound.

Greens or yellow on pistol, yellow is only if you have like 66%+ crit chance (if Rogue basically, since you won't get it otherwise without heavy sacrifice of other stats)
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>>183349417
So red on the Manamana and green on the bow?
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>>183349731
Yes.

You can also decide to go red on the bow if you aren't aiming for crit rate at all (no Archer2 and no sissels, etc), but I don't recommend that as you'd be losing a lot. Reds also widen your damage which is never really something positive.
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>open mystical cube
>it's expiration starts at 10 seconds instead of hours
>quickly open it to get mystical back
how fucked am i
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>>183350086
pic related
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>>183349919
Oh I went Archer 2 and I got Sissels. So I really stick to Red on gun and green on bow.

Thank helps a lot. Thanks anon.
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>rank reset DLC
>thinking i can fix my good build corsair and make it actually decent with Shinobi
>no shinobi voucher on market
Whales please
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>>183350465
>too much of a pussy for a quick 4 hour flower hunt
heh
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>>183350465
I'm thinking of doing the same with my chapPD2 to become Sadhu3PD2

I also want to just fix another character I fucked up though or reroll my Cataphract entirely. I've already explored every single map, and the charcter feels so weak it makes me want to cry at tiems.
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>>183350602
Already done the flower once, i hated more the Sap part
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>>183350465
if you are willing to spend $100 for reset voucher why won't you just buy some gachas extra?
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>>183350465
Do the quest you pussy.
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>powerlevelling+welcome back +rank reset event
>people flooded back the game
>people quits again
>powerlevelling events+welcome back
>people don't return, just more alt account
>Rank reset DLC and promise of welfare rank reset in game per character though adventure journal/wings of vaivora
Is i dare to say IMC is desperate for players? I bet the rank reset DLC is going to be very cheap too for what it offer
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>>183351335
You'll know they're getting desperate when they start putting cute outfits up for sale instead of locked behind gachas every fucking time.
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>>183351335
there are leveling events all the time now
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>>183351335
No
If they were desperate for players they could just make content instead of jewing around
They're just desperate for even more money
Kim wants that new Yacht
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>>183351335
If they were desperate they'd fucking fix the core problems with the game instead of offering bandaids that are sometimes free sometimes paid.
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>all these nerds necrofarming in an area that the main quest is for
>mfw report bot on all of them
>mfw just saw one pop out instantly
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are there tos private servers yet
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>>183354586
>implyning bot didn't just logged off for whatever reason
IMC only bans gold seller spammers in Klaipeda ch1
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>$9.99
>have to reset 10 characters because game is garbage
ehehehehe
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>>183355321
IMC really likes to fuck its customers hard in all holes at once without showing any mercy under any circumstance.
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>>183355321
>>have to reset 10 characters
retard
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>>183355321
>10 characters
How about you git gud instead of making trash builds no stop?
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What ToS really need to be a great fucking game ?

Class Balance or just some bug fixes ?
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>>183355808
>>183356056
retard
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You can only buy the dlc once.
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>>183356186
A reason to login that can't be summed up as "chore"
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Are dragoons fun?
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>>183356617
Yes
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>>183356617
Murmillo is way more comfy
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>>183356617
Fun? Maybe
Good? No, Dragoon is arguably the most useles and weak swordman class in the game and it require Dragoon2 for not be just "Why it even exist?" tier of trash
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>>183356617
In bed
>>183357141
In bed
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I can't believe that rank reset is not a TP shop or even gacha feature REEEEEE

They went with the most retarded idea possible
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>>183360086
It's equally retarded to allow it at all. Should have stayed an event. I guess they're ready to just let go, let casuals hit max in a week, reset like 5 times and then put the game away and let it bleed out to death.
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>>183355321
It's DLC, you couldn't reset more than one if you wanted to.
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>>183361068
read >>183356193
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>>183356186
Non-daily content.
Content.
Class balance.
More prolific cash shop team so that if I want to dress up, I can.
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>>183360086
Well, if it was TP-buyable all those GvG people would get resets no problem! Realistically speaking though, maybe IMC wanted to easily track how many people are willing to buy rank resets. And this >>183361068 , doubt they'd make a system to only allow one purchase in game otherwise.
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>>183361145
>Content.
It makes me sad to think that since r8, there have been 0 new maps and instances outside of hunting grounds (which use rehashed assets and mobs), 0 new quests or lore advancement aside from quests that should've been added to the maps when they were released. A whole lot of nothing for more than a year, just miko and appraiser. We're stuck doing dailies that aren't even new to r8, saalus is r7 content and solmiki just use recycled mobs with the same formula every 5 floors.
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>>183361263
>Well, if it was TP-buyable all those GvG people would get resets no problem!
They already all did, there was 2 weeks of free daily resets
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>>183361532
>hunting grounds
>so you can have ridiculous dpk cube drops
>that then have a small chance of having what you actually want
>which then have a small chance of having the sockets you want
IMC actively hates their playerbase, right?
>>
Again, resets don't bring any advantage at all when leveling is was, it's just convenient

I mean, reset is there mostly to save the time you invested farming attributes and shards, maybe weapon of you don't reset your final class (as in, whale resets his ET doppel into WB fencer, giving up a whole sarkmis). This "level as a dps reset into full support/pvp/shop is op" mentality doesn't work for ToS and no game that wants to be balanced (or at least try to be balanced) should consider leveling speed as a part of the final plan.

If you balance a game like tos thinking that it's worth making a hard to level class like, let's say, pelt full con stronger than full str Highlander just because it's harder to level you're done as a dev

I don't fucking mind whale leveling as SPR chaplain and then resetting with money to full int sadhu PD, str one or whatever, it's all convenience.

First thing IMC admitted is that the game balanced was not done and will still change and every new rank will demand changes to the lower ones again and again and we kinds like it, it's a part of the ride and the excitement, resets must be a part of it
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>>183362072
Like levelling even as full CON CryoChrono is hard, you can 1-330 one solo in 1 week
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>>183362295
Exactly, that's my point.

Let's say a new meta comes, YOU can level a new meta character from scratch very fast without much trouble but you'll be naked.

What about me? I had a previously character and I want to try something new in this new meta.i can level a new one from 0 but why is it unfair to reset my old one with thousand hours of investment in shards and attributes? In the end, accessible resets is just a way to valorize people's invested time. We both might end up with the same new meta character, but oh boy, let me keep my invested ours
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>>183245873
Is this game good yet?
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>>183363338
No
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>>183363338
They're starting to realize a few more faults, but are still very slow to implement solutions.

Try again in 3-6 months.
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where should i put my remaining points into? is flesh cannon any good?
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>>183364423
You should max Flesh Cannon and if you have Wiz3 you should get Flesh Strike too, take points from tower
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>>183364423
i went wiz1 cyro 3 summoner 1
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>>183363338
Not until they shut it down and remake it in their original image, telling casuals to fuck off and meaning it this time.
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>>183363338
I like it! Much better than before, but not without its problems still.
>>
Just crafted a Vinarazis mace for mt sadhu. It looks horrible and now wish I had crafted a windia rod with looks ok at least.
>>
So why do you still go to Fedimian city?
>>
So I wanna make silver and with the rank reset i can change a character to either corsair3, thaum2ff2 or SR3. Which is the best for mad dosh?
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>Therefore, we would like to provide each account with a special chance to buy an affordable Reset Pack DLC, which will be available soon on Steam.
LOL
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>>183370453
Corsair 3 is good for world boss cuube, material farming is me.
ThaumFF is excellent at material farming, silver farming too but it takes more time than sr3
Sr3 is comfy mode, quick runs, quick money.
I'd say go for thaumFF if you have only one farming character.
I have both, SR3 for 140 runs and thaumFF for pract mats, 290 solo
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>>183368845
you can ask an alchemist to change it for you, although I don't even know if it's worth it or whatever
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>>183370453
ThaumaFF best DPK farmer but fucking boring and slow
SR best dungeon farmer silver
Corsair best comfy and fast DPK farmer

I have all of them, just made 5m with a combinatiin of their farm in 90 minutes
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>>183370783
>>183370702

I would love to make an SR3 and a Thaum but with one reset its really annoying.

Probably going to do the thaumFF since the character right now is the most useless one I have.
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>>183370783
>Corsair best comfy and fast DPK farmer
fucking nope.
it's too random and rng reliant. You may as well just kill the mobs instead of pillaging.
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>>183370783
thaumm FF is actually not slow. You can kill 8 mobs with double drops, so like 16 mobs every 20seconds, which doubtfully will be ever rivaled by any DPK corsair farmer counting mobs spawn rates/ distance
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>>183370783
How do you farm with a corsair? I'm interested in the pirate life. Also does pillaging only work one time per mob or every hit has a chance at dropping?
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>>183371231
Pillage works one time per mob/boss
>>183370958
You don't try to make it proc on every mob but just slaughter them and let pillage naturally proc
>>183370958
Corsair doesn't have CDs to wait, you always have something to kill shitters and you can dash
Thauma and Corsair aren't that much different in getting drops
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>>183372874
I agree on thauma and Corsair being similar in drops. Only exception are World bosses, which Thaum can't make double drop.
Maybe corsair has good damage potential. thaumFF is horrible desides farming imo
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>>183373425
the holy truth about Corsair3 and ThumaFF
If you need to craft a weapon you farm mats with thauma because Swell but you better focus on the mob you care about or you won't get shit
If you just want to make some rapid cash you farm with a very high speed Corsair, get a drop and all the pillaged silvers and if lucky a pillaged DPK too while killing everything on the map
Two different kind of farming, two optimal classes for these jobs

Anime butt it's on the house
>>
Fweeeee!
>>
wah we just cleared 30f with this composition:

wiz > pyro 1 > linker 3 > thaum 3
cleric 2 > bokor 1 > sadhu 3 > pd 2
sw 3 > barb > cor 3 > shinobi
wiz1 > pyro2 > ele2 >chrono 3
arch2 > sap3 > falc 3

I wonder how this composition will hold up to 35f... the members have high trans.
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>>183375153
nobody cares
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>>183375153
Woah a cookie cutter party compo with good gear?
I hope it wasn't too hard.
>>
how is it cookie cutter?
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>>183363338
go try it, there's a free dlc pack expiring by tuesday so come get it
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>>183375153
The fuck is a pyro2ele2Chrono?
ET is easy so who gives a shit but tell that special snowflake if he wanted to do Chrono things then you pick Cryo for complement it instead of pretending to do damage with Pyro2Ele2 trash
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Have they fixed quickcast yet?
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>>183375530
he did just fine. :)
stop hating on snow flakes.
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>>183375737
yes, it's fixed, now you can properly use meteor
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private server when?
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>muh RO
fuck off lolipan
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anime feet
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>>183376093
But what about flesh strike / flesh canon?
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Should I reset my Archer3 Wugushi3 Scout Mergen into a Falconer3 so I can play the game? Or should I turn it into a Fletcher so I can do damage at world bosses? Or should I just stop playing and not spend $10 on Kim's new sports car?
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>>183378772
>so I can play the game
There's nothing to do in the game. Even if you have your perfectly fine-tuned character all you'll be able to do is braindead daily chores.
Just make alts. Leveling up is by far the most fun thing you can do in this kusoge.
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Anyone know if there's a cpstume with the same colour scheme as Vienarazis mace/Lionhead shield?
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>>183378629
1. Those skills are complete shit and not worth investing in.
2. Yes, it is fixed now.
3. Stop trying to make Necro something other than an AFK farmer, just get Cryo3 Sorc and macro in your resummoning and Frost Pillar.
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>>183378956
warlock?
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>>183379103
I meant an universal one for Cleric. I'm a sadhuPD2 and find Vienarazis looks absolutely horrible
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>>183379292
>pd doctor brainlet
Have you checked the database?
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If you craft from an untradable recipe, would the item itself be untradable as well? Nobody selling legit tokens and I'm using the damn event token.
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>>183379506
>If you craft from an untradable recipe, would the item itself be untradable as well
No
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Since different types of SP potions have different cooldown Timers and Chapparition has been confirmed not to snapshot, I have come to the conlusion of what is, imo, the best SadhuPD rotation.
Having chap proc before Prana is the best choice obv, though casting BDS+Pandemic/cure+Incineration followed by SP pot and prana makes you lose abou 3-4 seconds of precious boosted damage, since you won't cast prana before BDS
In this case the following rotation would grant the most damage:
Divine might (5 skills)>Basic small Sp pot that triggers chapparition for 4 seconds>Prana>BDS>Pandemic>Incineration (at this point you still have 1 skill that will be boosted by divine might and chapparition's effect should have worn out. Still 50 more seconds of prana)>Condensed lvl15 SP that triggers chap again>Possession (boosted by divine might, prana and Chapparitions).

This would, in my opinion, grant a better damage output than going BDS>Pandemic>Incinerition>Chap proc>prana>Possession, since it gets boosted damage by èrana+chap on the entire rotation.
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>>183381282
>Having chap proc before Prana is the best choice obv
Why?
You said it doesn't snapshot.
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My fucking sides
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>>183381409
It doesn't snapshot, but for those 4 seconds prana will scale with your chapparition boosted magic attack, and BDS+Incineration will get the boost from prana which has been boosted itself by chapparition.
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>>183381591
Dude it scales with chapparitions no matter if you use them before of after casting prana.
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this theorycraft lmao
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>>183381694
Prana scales on m.attack, which gets boosted by chapparition.
Someone yesterday was saying that it is better to cast BDS+Inci and then Prana, but you loose on damage imo.
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Pretty certain the guy doesn't have a sadhu. Also doubt he's even playing the game actually.
If he did play the game he'd know that everything will melt even without chapparitions or rotations and whatnot.
One SP potion just before casting possession if all you need.
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>>183382117
>Someone yesterday was saying that it is better to cast BDS+Inci and then Prana
That would be better if it would snapshot.
Since it does not, there's no reason to not cast it before everything else.
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>>183382117
Oy, kiddo, look up what snapshot means in video game terms.
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>>183382157
I have one and want to be a minmaxing faggot
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>>183382317
There's no minmaxing. You'll lose to people with higher trans and higher refines no matter what kind of retarded """minmaxing"""" rotation you have.
Also, you'll lose to people with a brain.
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>>183382274
I know what it means, and since Prana will go back to its unboosted damage after the 4 seconds pass, the whole point is how to make Prana and Chap boosts stay up for the longest time
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>>183382482
kys
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>>183381694
So using SP after prana would have no difference to using a SP pot before casting prana?
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>>183382790
Doesn't snapshot means that not only it will go down when the effect of chapparitions ends, it it would go up too once you use it again.
There is NO reason to cast anything else before Prana, excluding Divine Might obviously.
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>>183382886
that's what I'm saying, I just got the SP potion before prana wrong. The whole point was that it would be better to cast prana before BDS INCI and then pop anothe sp pot before possession.
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>>183382482
>Wanting to have higher transexuals
what the fuck is wrong with you degenerate?
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>>183379024
But AFK farming will be nerfed soon
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>>183383225
But semi-AFK farming will always be viable.
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>>183383101
Your rotation should be DM > Prana > BDS > Pot1 > Cure > Inc > Possession > Pot2 once Pot1 effect ends.
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>>183378940
You can kill mobs in open world for money and items, way more fun than betraying hauberk for the 15th time don't know why you guys hype up the leveling process; it's boring as shit even compared to grinding money.
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>>183383225
in kTos.
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>>183383335
By the time you'll cast possession the 4 seconds of chap will have passed so it's better to pop an sp before Posession
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>>183383683
How fucking slow are you? Cure is basically instant and Incineration is rather quick too.
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>>183383683
Just cast pot2 once pot1 fades off.
And I doubt it takes 4 seconds to cast Cure + Inc.
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>>183383807
I usually cast pandemic instead of curse which requires poisioning+casting
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netherbovine nerf soon
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>>183384745
Do you have any proofs to confirm this claim?
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http://tos.nexon.com/community/tosnotice/view.aspx?n4ArticleSN=783
>Team Battle League
Rebalance
>Character level 200 → character level 330
>After the initial entry waiting time: 60 seconds → 20 seconds ( skill can not be used )
>Per round Playtime:5 minutes → 3 minutes

>[ Iron hook ;
>The maximum duration of 10 will be fixed in seconds .

>[ Ain soap ;
>Maximum HP increased value will decrease by half .
>( Characteristics ) Ain Soap : amount recovered to increase the weighting of the existing recovery of 70% applies only .

>[ Reduction hilryang ;
>The fitness factor on the hill that rises to skills decrease compared to the previous half .

>[ Crowd control skills ;
>When you make a row of the same crowd control skills , it will change the value of the reduction debuff duration .
>- duration of each overlapping 50% reduction → 30% reduction

>[ Consumer item limit ;
>( Spoken ) Shop potions , antidotes , Alchemist Potion , companion food , supplies the necessary skills to use
>( Not available ) all consumer items, excluding the above items
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http://tos.nexon.com/community/tosnotice/view.aspx?n4ArticleSN=782

> reorganization adventure diary front guide (2 cars )
>1) adventure diary data recording unit is a character change as a team will be .

>2) it will be reorganized adventure journal content and rewards the front .
>- adventure journal is divided into the initialization region and a non-initialized area .
>- initialization area is initialized every month , you can repeat the receipt of compensation according to the ranking .
>- non-initialized area in each time you achieve a certain score , Soul Crystal , talent points , skills / stat potions initialization , rank, etc. initialized volumes are various compensation will be paid .

>3) in the previous adventure diary Places ( Maps Navigation ratio ) information other than the drops are .
>4) wing of the bi-Bora NPC Local receive compensation for being kept , combat experience ( monsters ) compensation ends are .
>5) Adventure Journal reorganization City just before the reorganization battle experience rewards Receive button deletes And there ! Please accept compensation in advance .
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>>183384976
That doesn't really change anything, Raise and Magnet force are still functionally instant kills and so is r7x.
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>pvp
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>>183384745
delete this
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>can't use antidotes in arena anymore
LOL
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>>183385318
>Reading comprehension

That's a list of allowed items; you can only use companion food, antidotes, alch/shop pots, and skill reagents. No more TP shop elixirs.
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>>183383225
Are you retarded? 80% of the AFK necros currently are already botting to use things like Frost Pillar on cooldown and resummon their skeles, which is so fucking retarded it makes me wonder why they didn't just make a bot account to farm orange mats like the Chinese do. Regardless, they're literally botting and will continue to do so after the Necro change anyway.
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>>183384976
>antidotes
Wugushi have a hard life, but I guess instantly winning against anything that isn't a Cleric would be a bit too unfair. How the fuck do you balance a damage over time class that will kill you with a single application of a single dot, when they have 3 different ones to choose from?
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>>183386727
Take a stroll down Dina Bee and you will know that is not true.
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>>183386727
I can prove that's wrong by killing necro nerds if you want
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>>183387042
It is only slightly exaggerated.
On klai, 1/3 of dina bee necros macro their summons (sorc + skellies).
On other subhuman servers like Telsiai it's probably even worse. I heard they have entire guilds of necro bots there.
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>>183387042
>botting at Bee
>even leaving your Necro at Bee at all
Come on kid, it's not 2016 anymore.
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>>183387185
I'm only trying to misinfo the plebs from finding my secret spot which gets me 2m an hour.
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I'm really jealous of seeing people having 2mph secret spots while my own secret spot only brings me 1.2mph
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>>183387712
going to need to see some proof first if i'm going to believe that.
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>>183387103
No no please don't. If you did that it would really put me in my place for my shitposting
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how tedious is it to level a full Con cryo3Chrono3 without the new player event?
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>>183388906
delet
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>>183388906
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>>183388906
just tell us, we're like 10 people at best in the whole thread
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>>183388906
but i did check orsha-side maps
xD
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>>183388906
So khamadon forest is the secret spot I have heard so much about?
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>>183389348
spawn rate is low in khama
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I'm going to marry Giltine!
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>>183390890
Just let it die.
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>>183389212
yeah but all of you would spread the word to your normie reddit guilds. no thanks!
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>>183392305
>being in a guild
Pls anon, I don't befriend leddit normies.
I'd tell you If I knew
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Apparently they plan on releasing a bunch of C3 costumes in kTOS. There's not much known about what's coming other than new skill effects.

* Swordsman - New attack animations when buffed with Restrain.
* Peltasta - Changes the effects of Shield Lob.
* Cryomancer - New visual effect when enemies frozen by you are defeated.
* Psychokino - Changes the effects of Magnetic Force.
* Linker - Changes the appearance of links between allies and enemies.
* Hunter - Replaces the companion's appearance with a more armored one.
* Sapper - Changes the effects and sound of Claymore.

No idea if it's true or not.
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When the summon buff patch drops I'm going to drop all my necro farming spots in the thread and the amount of silver per hour I earned at each spot. Please wait warmly, if I'm still even bothering to farm on the account. I'm going back to WoW and depending on how invested I get, I might not even farm on this game anymore. Even though it requires 0 effort.
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>>183392904
>* Swordsman - New attack animations when buffed with Restrain.
Sword3 costume is already in the game though. Are they going to update it? I highly doubt it.
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>>183392904
backup this claim with evidence please
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>>183393019
why don't you help players who want to farm in this game by telling us now? you have nothing to loose
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>>183392904
>Apparently they plan
Alright, but where's the link?
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>>183392904
>Sapper changes fucking Claymore and not Broom
Oh come on
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>>183392904
Swordsman is already out though? What attack animation would they even change? No one uses anything in Swordsman besides Double Slash.

No one goes Pelt C3.
Cryo3 better be cute, but that visual effect change will either be annoying or unnoticeable.
No one goes Kino anymore, except for minigame enthusiasts.
Linker3 is shit, and Links don't even last a second.
No one plays Hunter.
Do people even take Claymore on Sapper?

Why not focus on classes that people actually take to C3? Like Corsair, Doppel, Chrono, Elementalist, Paladin(kek), Sadhu, Bokor, SR, Wugushi. There's so many classes that people actually do play to C3, but they just ignore them and go straight for classes that're only 1-2 circle investments?
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>>183393489
>Cryo3 better be cute

One of the devs on global chat was joking about them being turned into snowmen for a few seconds after being killed
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>>183393390
I don't want to.
>loose
I mean, it's obvious that you're some sort of retard, but I'm sure even you can try different things.
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>* Peltasta - Changes the effects of ass.
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>>183393751
Yeah, that's the kind of retarded thing that would just be annoying as opposed to something you actually want as an effect.
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GOLLY IT'S CHILLY IN HERE
GOLLY IT'S CHILLY IN HERE
GOLLY IT'S CHILLY IN HERE
GOLLY IT'S CHILLY IN HERE
GOLLY IT'S CHILLY IN HERE
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>>183394113
Is there an NPC that says that?
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>>183393762
oh well, that's the confirmation you're just lying
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https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#31118bbbh.1a4f5f75.253545.1f4f5a65.1325455171

Should I reroll my Wugushi into this? I like Broadhead because it's sort of like Needle Blow, except better in every way. It doesn't have a Throw Gu Pot, but Magic Arrow is pretty good even though it's smaller AoE.
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>>183395115
>Archer 3
Are you in love with the C3 costume or something? Archer 3 is pretty bad, any other circle is more useful than that.
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>>183395303
Have you ever played it? Twin Shot is solid and has a super short cooldown and 5 charges, Oblique is amazing at 15 now. Barrage is shit without Rogue, 10% damage for 10s is barely noticeable.
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>>183385216

keep crying as much as you want, arenas aren't getting removed
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>>183396001
I wouldn't be so sure of that, they've removed a lot more PvP content from the game than new content they've made, and it's already only available during a certain time.
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>>183395575
I guess it's not as bad after the rework, still don't really see it around much though.
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>>183395575

10% does a lot for your mergen burst rotation

Also, unless you're a cheap ass faggot, you already have A LOT of skills to spam on the fletcher tree (and a lot of shit to invest attributes on), not sure you'll have time to spam oblique and twin arrows properly, unless, as I said, you don't want to burn arrows, lol


anyway, I would get 1 point in bodkin to remove boss shields. broadhead is kinda shit now too desu, barbed spam is way more effective on cloth mobs than a lot of shit (3 hits) and is also decent on leather

regardless, I still think that the better option nowadays is sapper 2 over ranger+scout/archer3 combinations
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>>183395575
>>183397136
Archer 3 is shit compared to Ranger or Sapper 2. Weakest option for sure.
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>>183397136
>>183397834
Why do you nerds want to min-max so hard in a dead Korean MMO? What other single target spammable skill am I going to use between Magic Arrow drops? Twin Shot is great, fug off nerds.
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>>183398816
It's not like Fletcher has 11742423 0cd skills.
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>>183398816
ur dumb as shit. no rank reset is going to save you
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>>183399085
1. they're 10s, which if you've played scout3, is NOT 0
2. none of them are single target besides broadhead
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>>183398816

that's the point, faggot

you already spam magic arrow, crossfire, broadhead and barbed arrow to spam like crazy, you don't need twin arrows

better boost that shitty mergen skills of yours that does a lot of burst and have a high cooldown or drop a fat broom trap for aoe damage
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>>183399468
You literally don't play Fletcher.
Not both Barbed and Bodkin are single target, but Bodkin is a true 0cd skill too.
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>>183399664
Not only*
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>>183399574
>spamming magic
has a cooldown
>broad
also has a cooldown
>crossfire
spamming a weak aoe single target?
>barbed
literally worse twin shot that wastes points in an already point reliant class

>muh broom
>spending 2 circles on literally 1 skill with a 40 second cooldown that doesn't hit flying
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>>183399878
go archer 3 so everyone knows you're a retard right away.
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>>183399878
>>barbed
>literally worse twin shot
It's better on leather and far better on cloth.
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every time i plug in my headphones or keyboard, tree of savior crashes
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>>183400014
Okay, now how many of the bosses are Cloth/Leather?
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>>183400104
yes, quality gook coding.
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>>183400314
The vast majority
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>>183400314
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs?rank=Boss&armor=Cloth&f=1
https://tos.neet.tv/npcs?rank=Boss&armor=Leather&f=1
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>>183393861
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>>183399878

we are trying to help you my son
anyway, here's a cool vid of a fletcher showcasing his build
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fm6uyJ09B3U

yes, he's geared as fuck, but that's good because you can see the build working and have idea how fletcher rolls
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>>183401296
>berg
Not falling for it, schlomo.
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>>183401296
Wow, way to kill my motivation. My Wugu clears easier than that and does better damage with 3k less physical attack.
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>>183401794
>>183401525

he's just showcasing the skills. also, he's clearly lagged as fuck and he's not the best player around~
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>>183401886
tehee ~ ~ ~

get the fuck BACK to the forums you're not welcome here
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>>183399574
You need Twin Arrows if you hit ghost or plate bosses.
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Does this game get fun or is it just like warfarm in the end?
Trying to get to monk by following some kind of build i found, but i have no clue what the fuck is going on or why.
I can't seem to do a lot as a cleric2 and the game goes slow af
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>>183399574
>you already spam... broadhead
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>* Peltasta C3 costume - increased amount of hips and bust
Is this true?
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even my fast auto attacks are stronger than both archer3 and fletcher3 rotation combined lmao
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>>183405179
you need a 5hammer
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>>183405179
I don't know what warframe is like but the endgame is grinding silver, items to sell to make silver, or doing daily dungeons. Buy Pardoner buffs in town to make everything go faster.
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>>183405179
>cleric2
probably because you don't have any fun skills yet anon
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The gook is on fire.
He just needs to start drawing porn now.
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Is bokor still bad
Is necromancer still bad
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>>183405714
>you need a 5hammer
a what?

>>183405797
So get to endgame and then quit/make new if i care enough, got it.
>Buy Pardoner buffs in town to make everything go faster.
ok?

>>183405820
>probably because you don't have any fun skills yet anon
no shit. am trying to follow this http://www.tosbase.com/tools/skill-simulator/build/z87qoijtpn but don't know if it's good or what stats to invest in. went in blind and other than the tutorial i skipped most dialogue because i don't give a fuck about the weeb story
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>>183406346
They will be better in a future update apparently. But summons will be timed.

>>183406492
>five hammer
This: https://tos.neet.tv/items/202101
Put 5 red gems into it, hopefully lvl 5+ and enjoy for the next 200 levels.
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>>183406346
Define "bad"
Bokor still has the strongest burst damage in the game for ET dps check floors on the lowest cooldown
Necro is still the best afk farmer in the game, with people having made hundreds of millions over the months with minimal commitment

Both are different in korea
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>>183406668
Bokor is really good but summoner classes unavoidably get the "my summons should play the game for me" shitters.
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>>183406668
>strongest burst damage for dps check
How does it even make sense.
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>>183407041
He's talking about Damballa
which would make sense if it wasnt a buggy piece of shit
Its so unreliable I dont know why this retard keeps misinfoing people like its good
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>>183407041
Mobs are spawned in waves. It only really makes sense if you know how those floors work.
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feel when you're sugar daddy is too poor to gift you the shards you need to trans 10 your weapon
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How long is Flesh Cannon cast without quickcast?
Now that wiz3 is nerfed and skellies destroy your links too quickly I'm thinking what to get before necro.
>Cryo3Kino1
for ice sheninganis and PP deadicewall
>Cryo1Kino3
for uninterruptable PP deadicewall and other kino stuff at the cost of ice sheninganis
>Cryo3Sorc1
standard build, sadly without summon riding and commanding
I want to have fun with it sometimes, not only farm.
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>>183409748
feelio when you are sugarmommy wont buy you any of the new costumes because she thinks they look gay and feminine
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Is hop3 still worth it? I'm looking at doing a sw3hop3goon2 build
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>>183410483
>How long is Flesh Cannon cast without quickcast?
Too long.
But Wiz 3 builds with necro 3 all suck. So all you can do is get wiz 2 or just deal with being interrupted
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>>183410483
Just do sorc2necro2
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>>183411325
>Too long.
How much is too long in seconds?
Also doesn't Frost Pillar/Gravity Pole help with this by locking monsters away from you?

>>183411382
Why?
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>>183412443
Like two seconds
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>Flesh Cannon
>2992%
>15 corpses
>2s cast, 20s cooldown

>Flesh Strike
>3077%
>100 corpses
>5s cast, 54s cooldown
>kills your shog or else AoE is the size of a peanut

really makes you think...
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>>183414345
ehehehehe
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Kind of looks like she has humongously hueg oppais with an oppai slit.
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>>183415196
>Loses more than half his HP from a penguin casually walking through the laser beam even with a garbage weapon

Just pvp things.
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>god emperor RMJ crying about Ice Tree
gid gud
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Why does every guide suggests Agny necklace for SR3? I don't see any added damage stat on the description
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@183417737
>brainletism
I pity you
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>necrotalk

Did they fixed Flesh Cannon? Before renewal it had a weird effect when launching lv 1.

You could launch a lv 1 - 2 (just a quick charge, no qc involved), and the damage would gradually increases while target was taking the hits (as if the skill was still charging)

Also, there's the flesh cannon -> cast something else like ice pike, dt, mf or whatever trick. If you did this, the damage of the FC would be delayed a bit and then all the hits would occur at once which was great to combo with chappas on two-three spells burst
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>>183411134
I have a sw2hop3doppel1goon2 instead, and hop works decently enough
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>>183417737

Hwelp, now I want a emma frost version of this costume

about agny... the necklace adds a lot of fire elemental damage that gets applied in every atk line you do, so, limacon+sacrament+cafrisun = 3x agny damage, which is better than what max peta could offer (unless you're looking to reach atk speed thresholds and some survivability)
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>>183418985
>cafrisun
you've got to be kidding...
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>>183419256

no joke, my man. cafrisun is THE shit for SR3. There's the upgraded version (mahanas) but it's expensive as fuck.
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>>183418985
thank you, there was nothing written on it so I didn't get the added damage part
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>>183411134
>>183418737
I've been following this very loosely, and you should take it with a grain of salt but it's god a couple of decent points.
http://www tosbase com/tools/skill-simulator/build/5t2xhujvdi/
>investing several points into SPR
is shit like this why everyone says to avoid tosbase?
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>>183419256
>>183419398
Cafrisun is an excellent choice on sr3, it adds a line to your attacks, which gets boosted by all the added elemental damage of your equip+ sacrament.
Manahas would be its upgrade, but it takes 8 hours to farm a single piece and they go for 15m+
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>>183419601
>there was nothing written on it so I didn't get the added damage part
It literally says
Add. Fire Property Damage 120
Dude, what is wrong with you.
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>>183419875
Yeah. A lot of stuff on Tosbase is outdated and a ton of theorycrafters early on kept trying to force RO stat build logic onto this game; in reality it's generally best to just focus on one stat here since there's no diminishing returns on anything except dex attack speed.
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>>183419875
Yesit's garbage, before and after.

Investing into SPR when you can double SP pot is mental retardation. The only time you should do this is if you are going for 'comfy' play over effective play, but that's not the kind of person who should be writing a guide.
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Private server when?
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fuk u lolipan
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since you fags are talking about dragoons how is this build?
https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#1111444ff.3f5f6a85.1f2d3f6171.1a213a4455
>inb4 no lancer
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So, how much dex should I put into a SR3 build with a 0.22 ping? I'm at 160 natural, 190 with equip
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>>183421050
Isn't this the standard hopgoon build?

Also, no lancer.
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>>183421502
You have way more than enough already. Put everything else into STR now.
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>>183421665
Thank you, see lots of people suggesting around 200 dex
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>>183421050
>>183421503
It is, so you should be fine anon.
What are you doing for stat points?
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>>183422001
>>183421503
I've just been going full STR, was considering dumping 30 points into CON though
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>>183421503
Standard is probably dropping one sword rank for doppelnig
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>>183421665
>>183421502
I think you should read this
https://forum.treeofsavior.com/t/bar-chart-how-to-calculate-for-your-cap-aspd-attack-speed-based-on-invested-dex-and-ping/360836/13
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>>183419956

I'm most sure he meant that the guide/tips he was following didn't mentioned that part and just said: buy agny
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>>183421050

I would go spear throw 5 tbhfamalam, maybe even more points into spear lunge
I'm not a big fan of pierce, but I heard they are going to give a synergy to this skill so I'm not sure
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>>183422241
Don't read this because it doesn't factor in ASpd brackets.

The thread literally just points out the common sense method that works for any game, that's all.

Since ASpd works in brackets though... it's somewhat useless? Not quite, but without the brackets knowledge you'd be wasting your time.
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>>183422124
>CON investments
L O
L
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>>183423404
It doesn't work in brackets. "Brackets" appear because of rounding errors and measurement errors.
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>>183423404
so 160 is actually the sweet spot for the majority of players?
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lmao dude, I went 280 dex on my sr, no regrets at all

dex also gives a lot of critical attack and sr crits relatively well with swift step and leather set, but I have two sissels and over 500 CR so that's something to consider
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>>183425653
Dex is shit for damage. It's good for evasion and atk speed if you want, but for damage, STR will always be better than DEX.
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>>183425653
280 dex is definitely too much
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>>183425775
>>183425796

what I'm saying is...you don't get ONLY atk speed
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>>183426267
you mostly do, crit increase without 2 sissels is negligible
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>>183427413

100 dex gives 500 crit attack
if you crit one hit every three, that's ~166

100 str gives 250 attack
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>all these cute pirates in town and I still don't have a pirate hat
Life has been suffering since they patched whale.
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what's the addon that shows a depleting bar for Limacon/glass mole card effect
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>>183393861
Is there a full picture or is it just ass?
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>>183428630
cute ass
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>>183418985
>>183418985
O shit I was just about to ask about this. Is Agny definitely better than max peta? Im currently using max peta and I managed to get an Agny recipe from a cube so I'm thinking of using that instead.
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>>183427845
And 100 str is +250 damage per hit, plus 125 every three hit. Not taking def into account.

>166
Also, It's noticeably less than that if you take the defense into account. The lack of patk gimps your crit damage a lot. It's mostly why crit attack (and indirectly DEX) is a shit stat.
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Lv 5 double slash, attribute lv 70 (411%). No main weapon so no damage oscillation

first pic: no hat
second pic with devil wings: +186 crit attack hat
third pic with +117 cow hat

crit attack a shit but at least adds something
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>>183430750
It adds something when you don't take points from STR.
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>3m for a rune caster voucher

seems fair, right? I don't want to do that quest again
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>>183431121
Honestly the only two tough runes are the one in the royal mauso and the one that cuntmancer master has to give you.
The first can be done overnight by leaving a spacebar macro on, the second one is much easier now you can see hidden buffs with that addon.
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>>183432090

honestly...I'will just buy it

I can farm at least 2m using the time I would waste doing the quest and farming is relaxing with proper music

I'm have strong morals against macros and shit...thanks for the insight anyway
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Anybody knows why I didn't get the extra stat points from Hergascale?
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>>183434531
Isn't there a potion to use?
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>Need to spend 489 silver to recover 60 stamina for rocksodon, velheider or hogan
>Need to spend 5127 silver to restore 15 stamina for leaf penguin

KIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM?????
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>>183434813
Yeah I asked in game and a friend told me to look for it. Thanks for the reply.
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>when R10 hits everyone will have enough class slots to run chrono on any wizard build they want
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>>183434947
>Thanks for the reply.
That would be one shard plus tip. I'll be waiting in fedi ch3.
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>>183434887
>Free pet for everyone
>Uops, looks like it takes up a character slot :^)

KIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM
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>>183435090

chrono will receive the linker/wiz3 treatment soon

otherwise, lol, every build would be wiz 3 linker2 chrono3 + final dps

also, just the fact that people rolls two and even three chronos per party says a lot about what's coming for these fuckers
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>>183434887
>need to spend 10k silver to restore 15 stamina for guinea pig
hmmm...
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>>183435697
Rocksodon confirmed best pet
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>>183435527
You don't need more than one chrono in a party to do any content in this game, if anything it just proves it's easier to find one than to find a DPS
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>>183435357
They gave the character slot too not much later.
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>>183436087
the more chronos the better
There is no limit to chronos effectiveness in a party
If heals werent needed people would get just chrono instead of cleric
If parties were 10man people would just get 5 more chronos in their parties
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havent played in a while, what stats do i focus on for wizard?

INT I'm guessing?
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>>183437047
yes
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>Gurita
two nukes weren't enough
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>>183439659
yeah should've named her Jane
uncultured fucking nips
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>the WoW private server I was going to quit ToS for got shut down in 4 hours
Do I just kill myself? I'm so fucking tired of ToS.
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>>183440514
As poorly as this game is run, on the bright side it still isn't run like SMT: Imagine.
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>>183441023
I just want some joy in my life, man. I'm so tired of every game revolving around dailies. I feel like my entire life is a fucking daily chore. I'm just going to end it. FUCK.
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>>183440514
>pserver
lmao
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>>183440514

d3 just started season 11
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>>183441480
How else am I going to play the only good versions of WoW? They should rename the MMO genre to SPD - Single Player Dailies. I'M SO FUCKING TIRED OF DAILIES. KIM! MAKE ET FUCKING WEEKLY AND ADD SOMETHING TO DO THAT'S FUN.
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>>183440514
>people make pettion to make legacy servers
>blizz tells them to fuck off
>people make pserver becaues they don't like new shitty expacks
>blizz takes it down after hours
another reason to don't buy blizz games
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>>183442012
>tfw spend more time playing terrible blizz game instead of terrible IMC game recently
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>>183441943

>not playing 3 mmos at the same time so you do dailies once in a while per mmo

just got lv 200 on tibia today, now leveling my new tos alt and going to >>183441894 tomorrow

and still playing some dotka in the meantime
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>>183441894
>season 11
Christ, why? I've already played that game for 400-500 hours, and played each of the classes. I'd have to pay to resub to WoW to buy a token to exchange for Blizzard wallet cash to buy Necromancer, but I don't really feel like playing the same game with a slightly different character again.
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>>183441304
That's just the life we live nowadays. Dailies are the easiest way for devs to pretend like they have content and activities.
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>>183442901
Necro is fun, but launch of it was a fucking mess. some stuff still bugged or useless
500 isnt much tho
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>>183443559
Yeah, I know 500 isn't much, but that's how quickly I got bored with it. I mean, I did the seasonal stuff for the first 2 or 3 seasons, but I wanted way more than just Necro. Where's the Assassin? Where has their creativity gone? I guess they'll just pump out shit and slap a $15 price tag on it because people will buy it.
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>>183444575

they should have given necro for free together with new content and sold only cosmetics

ffs, we paid twice for this game already
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>>183425775
If your build can abuse kneeling shot this is false. Otherwise it's true.
Evasion is only truly useful in large numbers
Crit Attack is only really useful with high CRate, so, rogue.
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>>183445794
Seriously, Blizzard is just way too greedy now, and they're losing tons of core team members for their games over it. The composer for all their games resigned recently, as did their lead PvP designer in WoW.

I'm just so tired of the greed in the gaming industry. It doesn't cost that much to host a game, can't they just make a good one? Does no one have any passion anymore? Hell, the WoW private server that got shut down was better than any other private server that's ever been released, and it was coded and hosted BY A SINGLE GUY.

I just find it so hard to believe that kikestarter shit can't manage to make a playable game in less than 20 years with 20 billion dollars when some literal who was able to do it on his own.

Kim is pulling the same shit too. He hasn't made any new content in the past fucking year, just reusing assets (which wouldn't even been bad if he did it right) and making retarded as fuck costumes to sell on the cash shop.
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>>183446505
Why make good videogames
if you can just make shit and be rich
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>>183446505
And then they fuck it up even more over here, by locking those fucking costumes behind gacha walls. The suffering never ends.
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ALIVE!
change this general name to /blizzg/
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>>183448718
Why even bother bumping it? Should just let it die until R9 info, even the people in the guild discords aren't talking about the game anymore. I know, I'm in 3 of them.
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>>183446505
>The composer for all their games resigned recently
Neal Acree? I haven't heard anything and he's like the only guy that matters there
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I wish TESO was really good
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>>183449578
>Russell Brower Leaving Blizzard
>Russell Brower was the senior director of audio and lead composer of Blizzard Entertainment. We will miss him and wish him the best moving forward.

>>183449807
My friend bought that game for me when it was on sale for $7, and I couldn't do it. I've never felt more shitty unresponsive combat. I could never tell if I was hitting anything, there was no fucking visual feedback on anything besides damage numbers. And the skill animations were just fucking terrible.
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>>183450075
welp, fine, he also matters
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>>183449807
i wish you were skinny
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is this the new mmog
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>>183450241

but I'm skinny. got a little tummy now that I'm 29 yo but still skinny
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>>183450376
Sorry, let's post about all the interesting new content being released on kToS that we'll get in 4-5 months!
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>>183449807
>want to play good games
what are you, gay?
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>>183450487
>mmog died to bots
>ammg died when dfo left
it's ok. if this general dies we will have no place to shitpost
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>>183446505
>He hasn't made any new content in the past fucking year, just reusing assets
This isn't because IMC is greedy, but because they are retarded and keep reworking what they have in accordance to the whims of the players. It's kind of like the kickstarter games you mentioned except they're letting us play the beta.
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>>183450785
I'm scared to shitpost here, I've been banned like 4 times and I have a static IP so I actually have to serve the sentence. I really do hope we get new content that isn't just leveling events soon. I mean, even the $10 skill reset DLC we're getting probably won't bring people back.

Why did DFO leave? Did that game shut down again or something?
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>>183451369

good shitposting is ban proof shitposting. what the fuck you did my man

regardim TOS AND MR KIM, well, they announced rank 9 "soon" and they are working hard to fix a huge end game issue (fuck you if you don't like it, you shouldn't even play mmos), but they are still fucking shits up. I still have hope for tos, renewal was great, not only because it fixed a good amount of shit but it also unlocked ways to properly balance stuff with a few change in numbers, unlike previous system (flat flat flat mods) that o0nly works for tailored ultra balanced games, preferable offline with level caps well designed

also, this is the cutest game alive
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>>183452215
I dunno man, I like renewal, but I wish they would have removed transcendence or reduced the cost. They could also do something to make ET not such a fucking chore. Make it weekly and give X10 rewards or something. Add some form of PvP you can do outside of the allotted time, even though the PvP is trash and I don't participate, I might actually try if I had some way to practice outside of dueling.
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>>183452548

>practice

don't be afraid to just joint it... since it's a massive joke, no one really cares

also, I have 3k hours of tos and I never did ET past 5f (that I did twice and never bothered to do again, just bout the gloves/boots), kek
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>>183394113
Don't bother, they don't play the superior card game.
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>>183453748
>superior
>card game
Brain damage?
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>>183453748

>card game

LOL
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>>183454538
>>183454584
It's a shadowverse card making that sound, you mongs
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>>183455276
I don't give a fuck faggot, card games are for literal retards, and DIGITAL card games are for even bigger morons. I fucking hate that shitty mobile games get anime and then I have to see these retarded posts on /a/ /v/ and /vg/. Can you at least keep it in your own general?
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https://tos.neet.tv/items/628271
https://tos.neet.tv/items/628087

>tfw they can't be obtained
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Does anyone play Mabinogi? I want to go back to dressing up my character in it, but I want to make a ToS outfit. Anyone have any ideas about which outfits you might be able to make?
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>>183456646
Why don't you just stop browsing shitty boards?
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>>183456710
https://tos.neet.tv/items/203203
Best in slot Chaplain weapon will never be released.
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For those who think heal is too strong, do you think it'd be better if it were

-Merged with cure, so that you were healed, or received a large HP recovery bonus, while standing on the cure tile
or
-Made to act like sleep and lethargy in that it made a kind of lingering cloud that healed those who it hit or who walked into it shortly after it was cast

If it were moved, who should it be given to? I only really see it fitting with like Chaplain, but it'd make that class required if they got something equivalent to level 10 heal. On the other hand, chaplain requiring absolutely 4 circles of support classes would tone down on the support and dps nature of clerics, and if the chaplain heal scaled off cleric heal somehow, it'd be up to 6 circles of support to be a great healer, leaving just one other circle to take. Probably better to scale off mass heal or something priest has though just to leave a couple extra circles.
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>>183457997
Someone already gave a suggestion about it. Just make the Cleric C1 and C2 heal significantly weaker and add or strengthen healing effects for already existing skills. For example: the Diev statue that lowers SP cost could instead pulse every X seconds to heal for Y and restore Z SP; Paladin's Restoration could be a toggleable aura that restores HP but costs a lot of SP.

You could even add heals to non-Cleric classes, like giving Featherfoot a vampiric aura that restores HP in relation to damage dealt or something.
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>>183457997
Heal is fine the way it is. The main problem is, heal just isn't needed very often for actual healing outside of a couple instances. The only reason heal can be used as a DPS skill is because nobody needs to be healed 99% of the time.
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How to fix heal: Make it 5 tiles maximum at all levels.

There, damage is gimped to the point where people won't bother to use it for damage and people will literally throw autistic screeching at you for using your 5 heal times on enemies when they're dying. This indirectly makes mass heal more useful.
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>>183458858
I don't think you need like 10 different heals though. That's getting into archer-like 20-different-ways-to-fire-a-lot-of-arrows territory.
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>>183458858
>like giving Featherfoot a vampiric aura that restores HP in relation to damage dealt or something.
Also doesn't Blood Bath do that already?
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Rank 9 will fix Dragoon, right?
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>>183460283
No!
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>>183460283
No
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>>183460283
___no__
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>>183460283
Just like R8 fixed necro
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>>183460283

dragoon is fine. expect c3 dragoon gaebolg getting a multi-cut levels attribute and the legendary jump skill to chain with it
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Should we just let it go?
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>>183465620
>>183460829
>>183462170
>>183462379
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any discord groups out there for this? im probably gonna play on the SEA server.

Yes, another new player comment i know.
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With the new reset incoming, what would be a good Thauma 3 build?
I have some options:

Wiz 3 > Linker 1 > Thauma 3 > Rune Caster (Since I already have the quest)
Wiz 2 > Linker 2 > Thauma 3 > Featherfoot 1
Wiz 2 > Linker 1 > Thauma 3 > Featherfot 2
Wiz 1 > Cryo 3 > Thauma 3 > Rune Caster

Should I just go for the classic Wiz 2 > Linker 2 > Thauma 2 > Featherfoot 2?
I want to farm with this character.
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>>183465694

well, each guild has it own discord so...

just look for the comfy guys on telsiai (check the op)
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>>183466458
>I want to farm with this character.
yes do that
>Should I just go for the classic Wiz 2 > Linker 2 > Thauma 2 > Featherfoot 2?
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>>183466516

cool, is Silute a singapore server or what? whats the SA stand for, cuz i'll get better ping with a singapore server than SEA.
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>>183466686
South America, stupid seamonkey
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>>183466686

nevermind i figured it out, telsiai for sure.

>>183466761

im just a dirty australian, drinking my VB. I need an mmo fix after felmyst got rekt.
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Which one should I choose for reset?

C2diev3mikopd2 > c2priest2diev2mikotaoist or chapInquisitor
Pyro3thaum3sage > dunno yet
Sw3cata3dr2 > catalancer,fencer or something with corsair 3
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>>183466458
Thauma3 is a terrble farmer, it cucks you the tools for actually kill shit
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>>183457997
It seems you fail to understand that the hybrid support/dps nature is intended, and it's a good thing. If you just want to shit on healers and make their lives miserable, fuck off. You're trying to make it a pain in the ass for everyone else to get good groups together, kill build diversity, and give yourself an excuse to persecute any cleric who wants to have anything other than a full on cuck build. Standing around shouting LF1M healer in WoW all day long sucked and I don't want to waste all day waiting for healers in this game.

Letting clerics be effective healers with just basic low rank skills is one of the best game design decisions IMC made. It lets me throw a group together with whoever's available and play the game instead of logging off in frustration because I have two inquisitors and no full cucks. And even though you think damage clerics aren't people, it's bad game design to turn a bunch of players into non-viable trash who have no place in groups.

>>183459497
Now there's not enough tiles to go around and party members have to fight over them. That's a pain in the ass. If you just want people to die a lot, give monsters better attacks. Heal isn't the reason faggots feel safe with zero con.
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>>183467416
>Pyro3thaum3sage > dunno yet
into something good, Wiz3Elem3WL2 or >>183466458
>Wiz 2 > Linker 2 > Thauma 2 > Featherfoot 2
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>>183467457
>>183466536
O-oh, ok.
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>>183467612
Already have both. I was thinking cryochrono or something with kino.
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Does a Cryo3Kino1 or a Cryo1Kino3 do more damage with the icewall combo?
Where is the damage coming from?
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>>183468694

each shard has a 100% matk, 3 per icewall tile hit.

Psychic pressure at LV 5 (kino 1) can pressure up to 9 targets (so, nine wall tiles, 2700% matk every 0,5 seconds assuming the boss take it all)

You need at least lv 8 ice wall to create 9 icewall tiles.

Things to consider (items):
PP gem is literally 300k, so you could use lv 6 PP to pressure 10 walls (needs ice wall lv 9).
Ice rod (+1 cryo skills), Audra (+2 cryo skills), Ice wall gem (relatively rare so it may be expensive)
Friend divine might (+1 all skills)

Assuming a perfect audra, a rank 1 cryo can create a lv 8 ice wall alone, that's 9 tiles. 10 with divine might.

Another thing to consider is "wall" hp. Each level in icewall allows you to do +2 hit before it shatters that tile. Psychic pressure was nerfed from 15 seconds max to 10 seconds max channeling, so that's 20 possible hit. I don't remember exactly the ice wall base hp (lv 1), but it's fairly low. Anyway, on my personal experience, with audra, gem and divine might, I could do a full icewall+pp combo using lv 9 ice wall with a Cryo 1 Kino 3 build.

So, imo when SOLOING.
Heavy invested: they are both equal since kino 1 can PP 10 walls and cryo 1 can create 10 walls at max.
Cheap invested: cryo 3 kino 1 is slightly better, also, better for lazy ass players
Protip: you don't need to PP using bad matk +1/+2 skill weapons like audra. Create icewall with audra, then switch to proper matk weapon of your level.

When party is involved, well, higher your level of icewall and people attack it, the better (monk kamehameha, doppel cyclone and etc)

Final thoughts: Cryo 1 Kino 3 is much better to do overall PVE solo. Psychic Pressure and Gravity Pole are so fucking underrated as aoe dps skills. While cryo 3 is okay for higher level ice blast, snow rolling is not that good, cooldown is big and frost pillar is great only with parties. also, every chrono is a cryo 3 so it's redundant sometimes
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wat do now?
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>>183470685
Whoa, thanks dude, I never knew.
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>>183471601

>qs3

wait for the reset event
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>>183471601
>T3
Anon please
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>>183473195
works fine for my fal3 build?
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What's a fun melee class if i want to hit like a god?
The monk Webm looked nice but i'm not sure if any swordsman classes are fun either.
sell me on a class
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>>183473752
Every swordy class skill follows the following formula: Hit a box in front of you of [a] size [b] many times for [c] amounts of damage with [x] weapon and attach varying cc/effect afterwards. Headbutt, Umbo Blow, Targe Smash, Shield Bash, Attaque Collique, Stabbing, Zornhau ITS ALL THE SAME SHIT.
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>>183474061

this is the post of a man who is dead inside. how you fucked up your dopamine receptors, my son

>>183473752
how experience you're with the game? what kind of stuff you like to do when playing a melee character
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>>183474439
>how experience you're with the game?
very new to tos. and i just like doing massive damage if i'm being a damage dealer. combos or big hits doesn't matter.
love all the souls games, so changing tactics or dodging/blocking isn't a new thing
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>>183473643
>crafting Astra for Falcon3
>trascending it on top of that
How does it feel knowing you wasted 100+m worth of silvers for just doing barely any damage on your own?
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>>183474606
ToS has nothing of the sort of blocking/dodging
As a melee you use skills on cd in the geberal direction of the enemy
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>>183474717
im going mergen with r9 so i needed a 2h bow. and i get plenty of ET parties. no regrets at all. its my only 2prac weapon and i never have good luck so when i got that enhancement with so little potential loss i was pretty excited.
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>>183474439
>>183474778
Swordy skills are boring as fuck, >>183474061 makes a good point. Compare them to Clerics that can go from spreading aids to making fire spitting owls to reflecting damage onto enemies.
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>>183474606

well, you have some meta builds to choose that are as fun as they are effective

number 1: doppel 3
two handed sword guy, big numbers, embrace pain to do more damage. paths to choose: highlander 3 barbarian 1 or barbarian 3 sword 2.
highlander focus more on quick high dps rotations and small burst combos combos while barb is more of a debuffer with stuns and stacking buffs with decent aoe burts

murmillo (rodelero 3): shield guy, can go memetank/pvp builds or ultra burst with high cooldowns for bossing with the shinobi path

Fencer
rapier user, flashy high dps fancy bastard. quick and lethal, the fencer does very high dps on low cooldowns, specially with critical hits with piercing attacks but kinda suffers with aoe in comparison to the doppel. cutest outfit in the game for females, usually goes the highlander route

Dragoon:
spearman that, while not as good in dps as the fencer or the doppel, is capable of boosting every other melee dps (including his own) with one of the strongest debuffs in the game. mid to low bursts with short cooldowns, is also capable of fighting from afar with a few spear throwing techniques (dethrone the most notable one). is also capable of mounted combat. usually goes hoplite for PVE footsoldier or cataphract into dragoon for PVP combat

Lancer:
works like dragoon but much more pvp focused instead of a bossing debuffer. demands mounted combat (high synergy with cataphract but not necessarily demands it). together with murmillo they are the best option for pvp swordsmn right now

Corsair 3:
dedicated pirate. it's a loot stealer class so he excels at farming small stuffs but is also a notable pvp class. usually mix in low rank dps skills like highlanders/hoplite but also packs a punch on their own corsair skills (high cooldown, high bursts).
corsair also excels at autoattacking but it's very underwhelming in the late game to play this way so don't rely on this too much at circle 3 they can use fucking pistols!
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>>183473643

falcon 3 is ultra good on it's own for ET so you'll be fine, I'm gladly you're having fun. Just fwee my man, and follow your dreams. sapper is overall better but some people like to actually shoot stuff so I understand the urge for running shot
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>>183475334
So Murmillo seems like an interesting choice if not Fencer.
How do they hold to the Monk? It looked interesting as well.
And what stats should i boost for the respective classes? I'm willing to give the game a honest try if the PvE is fun.
Is any of the weeb story interesting or integral of any kind or just the run-of-the-mill mmo bs?
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>>183475827
Murmillo is extremely fun. I went for the Sword 3 Rodelo 3 Shinobi Route with mostly pvp stats (Con) and in general Con is just a fun stat to have. I have a lot of HP so I can be an idiot and face tank a lot while on bunshin.
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>>183476272
So what's the more important stat for murmillo then? Dex? Str? Crit?

Thanks for the help bro
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>>183476650
Full STR
Don't fall for CON memes
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>>183476737
You do know once he hits a certain point being full Str becomes redundant right?

>>183476650
I would go a mix of Str and Con if you want both damage and high hp. Gone are the days where being invested in 1 stat is all that matters. Renewal made it possible to be hybrid without losing too much advantage.
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>>183476810
>You do know once he hits a certain point being full Str becomes redundant right?
Stats in ToS are terrible optimized and always been
What else you gonna invest?
CON? Literally nothing in PvE does enough damage to kill a 0 CON Swordman unless naked, nothing can kill my 20k hp wizard 0 CON in cloth already.
DEX? block pen is barely used in PvE, crit attack has barely use on archers who has way more chance to crit than a Murmillo
SPR? ofc you don't need it
INT? you don't cast magic
You have nothing to do but pump in STR even for small gains after a while because any other stat offer 0
>Gone are the days where being invested in 1 stat is all that matters.
Everything renewal of the stats did was not fucking you over for spreading points but full single stat is still the best distribution in 99% of the builds, Murmillo PvE isn't in the 1%
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>>183477121
And by throwing it all on STR you are killing his chances to pvp because lol at 20k hp Murmillo in pvp. You do know not everybody cares too much about PvE right? Some people actually want to pvp even though pvp is terrible in this game so I was just giving him a balanced option than gimping everything to str then realizing one day he is bored and wants to do TBL but nope some dumbass told him to go full STR so every time he goes in tbl he gets 1 shot. So much for being a Murmillo.
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>>183477348
He asked for PvE Murmillo and by the time we are going to have PvP in this game anon would have either quit or we rank+stat reset already
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>>183477348
>ToS 2017
>PvP
?????????
There are people who still do TBL?
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>>183477443
Shocking that people like options huh? Unfortunately people who suffers from Autism usually have a really one track mind that hates changes.
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>>183477585
TBL is extremely awful and there are always the same people playing it with the same build in the same way and every match ends in exactly the same way most of the time
I just can't reccomend people to even try it in the current state, it's also going to get worse
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If you want to play pvp you play Kabquisitor, Murm is for PvE.
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>>183477743
>Murm for PvE
>long ass cooldowns on skills

KEK
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>>183477853
KabaInquisitor has some long ass cd too but it has skills for actually hitting players
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>>183470685
You forgot to shit on pyromancers and their firewall, cryomaster.
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You people weren't memeing about the EU server being dead
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>>183478896
but it's alive, see >>183270029
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>>183479064
Dude, i got to 330 fresh with event and Saalus it's supposed to be one of the "endgames" for the blessed shards and grtting a 5 man party for it isn't fast at all at any hour of the day, there are barely any shout for it too and most of parties just settle for 3 man because finding the other 2 sometimes is just impossible
We can't defend the server, it's empty.
The game is pretty trash too anyways
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It's not just Fedimian being dead but with these numers i wouldn't expect more than 100 players oline in EU right now
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Feel when you've been pronouncing limacon wrong all this time.
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Besides Aspana, what are other SR endgame weapons I shoul look for? Or is Manamana the best choice besides aspana?
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>>183480560
how is it pronounced? i call it lee-mah-con
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>>183483465
"limason"
the c is actually a ç
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>>183417737
fuck thats hot
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I smell brainlets again.
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>>183483910
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We will barely alive until rank 9
Lets just accept death
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>>183480560
>Lima(bean) con(man)
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>>183484004
you should take a shower bro
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Why is nobody talking about Kupoles? I want to fuck a Kupole. Shame that they didn't make those a purchasable costume and only GMs wear it.
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>>183487559
There's nothing to talk about, the lore in this game is as trash as the end game.
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>>183487836
ANIME
TIDDIES
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>>183487920
Sorry, tosgay only likes dicks we're all fags here.
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>>183487920
Why don't you just go to /h/ or something? You don't talk about anime tiddies anyway, you just image dump. Should just let the thread die until we get some R9 info.
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>>183488228
but anime tiddies and butts are part of the game
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>>183488228
>image dump
What did he mean by this
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Anybody has lvl 15 Vendetta for Rogue C3? Looks over powered as hell with that x2 damage attribute. Also +75 STR for 40 seconds. Imba.
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>>183488454
No one plays Rogue C3
Vendetta has a long as fuck cast time.
75 STR isn't that much, really.
You'll never get it, because you have to last hit with a skill that has a 5 second cast time that deals mediocre damage unless you have a bleed on the target.

They removed the cast time in a recent patch on kToS, and they made Rogue have even better synergy with Hackapelle, but we won't get those changes for months.
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>>183488437
like cumdump but with images *wink wink*
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>>183488014
Stop projecting, we all like anime tiddies and pantsu.
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>>183488294
This is the worst "meme" that this thread has spawned, fucking underages
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>>183490624
>only underages like tits and ass
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Best way to get a lot of silver?
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>>183491294
afk necro on the secret spot ;^)
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feel when still haven't found a secret spot ;_;
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feel when your secret spot is a dungeon so you have to keep buying reset vouchers ;:^);
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>>183484021
are these sold by imc or it's a edit/mod?
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>>183488683
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>>183494047
This year's summer patch. Just arrived in ktos this week.
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>>183494170
Don't you regret Ranger3? Barrage feels pointless to invest 15 points in, and the rest of the skills are just terrible. Also, none of your Hackapelle skills will work with Steady Aim anyway, and neither does Backstab.
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>>183494513
I sort of regret it, but honestly there wasn't many better options
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>>183494767
I was going to make something like this just because I'm a huge fan of retard builds.

https://tos.neet.tv/skill-planner#31146996h.1a4a5a.153545.2a4a5575.1a26334a71.1325455171
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Rank 9 previews next week or else
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>>183495660
So we can preview shit we won't get until a year from now?
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>>183495921
Atleast i will have something to talk about other than anime tiddies
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>>183495921
>a year from now
have some more faith in Kim anon, we'll get it end of this year at the latest
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>>183495181
Rogue needs dagger, Mergen needs Bow, this whole build requires a shitton of money to do something someone else can do for 20% of the investment. Why do people do this shit to themselves?
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>>183496439
>Rogue needs dagger
>calling others retards
Literally none of the skills I took require a dagger, moron.
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>>183496439
>Rogue needs dagger
>8 skills
>7 don't require a dagger
>b-but rogue requires a dagger!!1
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>>183496439
retard
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Best futureproof build for sorc?
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>>183499654
>sorc
>futureproof
Just do Wiz Cryo3 Sorc2 Necro2, that way you can choose Necro3 or Sorc3 (if you're dumb) at R9. There's no futureproofing a class that has no future.
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>>183499987
>sorc build
>necro2
for what reason other than muh spr scaling? do skeletons/shoggoth actually deal respectable damage, better than say, an INT-less but with a really good and refined staff warlock2?
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Half the cryochronos in iToS cant do this
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>be Elememe
>tfw i am not the carry DPS of my ET party
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What the FUCK is the purpose of kneeling shot if you can't use abilities during it?
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>>183501397
To look cute
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>>183501204
Whale harder!
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>>183501397
To show pantsu when you attack!
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>>183500506
>half the cryochronos
so... like 3 players?
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>>183500506
>tree
>stop
>half a minute to deploy ice wall
Wow so hard
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>>183496067
Pretty sure one of the GMs said in a meetup that iToS would see it this year at least, while kToS is end of summer.
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>>183503101
IMC says a lot of things.
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>>183477443

there are more people going PvP than earth tower
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>>183503713
there are also a lot more people not logging in anymore than doing pvp
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>>183477743

Every now and then a Murmillo gets top five, even #1 Murmillo already happened

You have a better chance of top 3 with murm than with kino these days, because they actually can kill people and have a massive EHP. Cleric stills kings tho
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Mia you slut restock your repair

<3
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Wiz3Ele3Lock2 lv 280 non token player here.

Should i go to ET now ?

Will i get bullied ?
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So /tosg/
Musketerr or Cannoneer?
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>>183506121
Falcon3
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>>183505843
>non token
>ET
No one will take you, and you're most likely to poor to be a dps.
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>>183505843
I'll bully you right now for being poor and stupid. Get to level 330 and invest 400-500 million silver in your character and I might let you into my group as a secondary DPS.
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>>183506165
musketeer or cannoneer, I already have falcon3
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>>183506429
Use the Falcon3 then
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>>183506429
cannon if pve
musket if minigames
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>>183506429
Musketeer is better and you only have to invest in a Musket instead of needing a Cannon + Crossbow. Musket is also the cheapest orange 315 weapon you can make.

It also depends on your earlier circles, but honestly you should just make another Falcon3 or something like Priest2 Tao or Chrono and just farm ET on them both. It's not like there's anything else in the game.
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I miss my CuteNotLewd friends...
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>>183506695
I have chrono and Falcon for ET
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>>183506761
go be black somewhere else
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>>183506573
literally the opposite
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>>183506808
Why do you want anything else then?
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>>183506216
>>183506384

Well, i just quit playing then.
This game is dying anyway, 1 year in & they are already begging people to playing their p2w game with "that" event.
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>>183506964
retard
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>>183506808
>I have two of the most common ET supports just like everyone else in the server
yeah that's not helping
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>>183507118
Uhmmmmmmmmmm, what the fuck? Why are you bullying when we gave you good advice?
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Does /tosg/ still do Kateen meetups on maintenance nights or is everyone gone?
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>>183507135
Snipe is shit.
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>>183507135
>cannoneer has giant aoes
>musket does not
Yeah, I really wonder which one is better in pvp
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Post tiddies.
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>>183507498
>>>/e/
>>>/h/
>>>google

>>183507395
>>183507383
>>183506964
Who cares, your entire class tree is invalidated by a single skill.
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>>183507772
You are entire post is invalidated by a single image
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>>183507168
>>183507093
I was just asking which of the two builds would be more efficient for general play, I don't plan do to ET with it
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>>183507395
Your move
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>>183507316

>Sucking IMC's dick & Paying them
>Goodadvice
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>>183507772
>>183508616
>implying Musketeer deals any better with it
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>>183508616
It's in the process of being rebalanced in ktos.
And you don't always have sages on the enemy team.
Also, without sage, it's practically an insta-win for the cannoneer.
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>>183508636
So you want me to suck your dick and let you into my group as a literally useless dead weight instead? Fuck off, retard.
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>>183508636
You can buy tokens with silver you retard
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>>183508932
>>183508937

Stay mad, IMCsluts.

;)
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>>183508937
Someone paid IMC for that token you retard
The era of thousands of free TP every week is long gone
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>>183509162
You mean the era of bots cardfrauding billions of tokens and enchant scrolls is gone, rite?
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>>183509162
>how dare a company make money from their product
So fucking what? Making an MMO isn't free
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>>183417737
>>183484021
>>183494047
these are client mods made by JPs
>>183494351
but there are other official new swimsuits
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>>183509437
Can you stop posting this? Every time I see these stupid kToS updates I uninstall the game, then I remember I still have to log on each day to open my practo boxes.
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>>183509282
>>183509303

>IMCsluts defending their Pimp

Kek
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hey friends. been a while since I last played. I noticed that there are rank reset vouchers going on as dlc. My build was a sword > Pelt > hop3 > Dop > Dragoon (I stopped before r8 came). Is this build still alright or should i change it?
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>>183509902
It's alright but Pelt is rather useless now.
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>>183510186
What's wrong with pelt? Is Swashbuckling removed? People used to tell me that unless I had swash, I'd be useless
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>>183509902
fuck you we're not friends and your build is shit.
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>>183510278

You are the part of the reason why most people dropping ToS, retard.
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>>183510276
Swashbuckling works the same. He probably means everyone just runs saalus and solo farms these days, and leveling got sped up so much it's basically a free pass to 330.
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>>183510276
It's okay, you're already useless for picking Dragoon. Everything auto-aggros now, so swash is useless unless you have level 15 of it and pull stuff from off-screen.
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>>183510276
Nobody cares about swash now but maybe things will change for r9.
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>>183509902
Dragoon is shit now, but there are many swordman builds.
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>>183510608
It doesn't autoaggro unless you're using an aggro quest, and those are still slower and not controllable like swashbuckling.
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>>183509902
dragoon is basically a support slut debuff whore now
pelt is useless with just c1, swordies aren't useless for everything but tanking
if you still want to use spears then you can be a support goon or you can go goon > lancer for dps
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>>183510751
Everything in dungeons autoaggro, which is the only place swashbuckling might even be considered close to useful. Cryomancers do it 500x better though.
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>>183510612
>Nobody cares about swash
kek
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>>183511102
Except autists who have a rank in pelt and will now have to shekel out $10 to unfuck their build.
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>>183511219
>a rank
Pretty sure pelt 1 stopped being a thing mid 2016
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>>183511315
but most swordfags quit before then because of the no damage meme anon
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>>183510608
What's wrong with dragoon? When I was still active, it was the best of the swordsmans. If I recall, it was something like
> Dragoon > Dop (if funded) >= Fencer
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>>183511672
When you were active in early 2016? The game had a major stat and skill rebalance since then. Now the only DPS allowed to play the game are Shinobi, Doppel, and Elememes, and they all require a year of transcendence shard farming, plus hundreds of millions in attributes.
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>>183511672
>Dragoon > Dop
>ever
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>>183511672
Dragoon was never that good
It has always been
>Doppel>Fencer>Murmillo> Dragoon > lancer - powergap- anything else
Now its
>Doppel> ShinobiMurmillo(Whale) > Lancer - powergap - Murmillo(No Shinobi/Not a Whale) > Fencer - very huge powergap - ShinobiCorsair3 > Dragoon
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>>183511909
Yeah around then I suppose. I keep up with the news a little bit. Didn't they give one of his r8 skills a 100% physical damage modifier? That seems ridiculous, too good to be considered bad.
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>>183511672
After the major rework a few months ago, the damage modifiers on Dragoon skills aren't that good comparitively to other Swordsmen, so they've fallen behind.
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>>183511008
Dungeon aggro still has an aggro cap, just higher than the outdoor one, mobs' detection range isn't that long, and it takes them ages to wake up and run over. With swashbuckling I can round up a whole room faster than I can gather half of it with just an aggro quest. I have a cryomancer too, and frost pillar is a long cooldown stationary spell, so a lot of rooms are too big for it and somebody has to pull the ones around the edges. The only good argument against swashbuckling is dungeons are so dirt easy and fast now that optimizing runs doesn't really matter, so you might as well build for whatever you care about most instead.

>>183511672
Dethrone's damage got nerfed. Most dragoon bandwagoners only cared about the class for giant dethrone numbers.
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>>183512098
First off, that got nerfed.
Second off, it benefits everyone, so you're better off being a support slut for the real players by not even wasting a party slot and just using it on the world boss and hoping they toss you some pity gear. Not that you'll need it anyway because you'll never be useful in ET or PvP, and even if you WERE useful, you wouldn't need gear because your damage is too low to actually contribute anyway.
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For incinerate to spread due to the attribute, does it need to be the killing blow?

Also is Agny worthwhile for a PD2?
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>>183511672
see >>183512082
people only take dragoons because of an attribute that increases all physical damage taken by bossses, as well as the spear throw doubling all hits of physical attacks
your job is to basically supplement the real dps
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>>183512263
>long cooldown
It's only 45 seconds plus:
Pass
>has to pull around the edges
Haste

NO ONE WANTS A PELT FOR ANYTHING. FUCK OFF.
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dad
>>183512850
>>183512850
>>183512850
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>>183512614
Incinerate doesn't spread.
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
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