/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>we splatted again

Silence in Demon is pretty good.

Pretty slow evening, huh?

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>rlg in charge of playing roguelikes

>>183023589
>Playing a genre based around who can get to the lowest floor (by virtue of rng) and has no real ending

>>183023679
But it's fun.

>>183023589
why would you even have 0 armor skill

even if you're the DEFEist DEFE in existence you can still wear some leather and train it to 5 or something for probably 10% of the cost of another level of conj

Will my spellforged servitor attempt to kill me if I memorize irradiate? Does the servitor cast spells if you are in the blast radius?

>>183026042
It would be fun so you have to assume they do

What are you all playing tonight? I've been playing Demon, albeit now I'm just reading comics.

>caustic shrikes
3 of them took me from full to negatives in like 2 turns
Why do they exist?

>>183028267
dcss

>>183028267
notroguelikes

Buying CDDA beginner tips, looking to get back into it after being destroyed by a zombie horde and failing to find anything of use.

>>183029872
DO. NOT. HAVE. FUN.

>>183028720
The alternative is a bigger form of ogre/troll/centaur.

>>183028267
dcss, just like for the last two years

>>183030435
Okay, I'll play DCSS instead!

>>183029529
same to be desu

>want to develop a roguelike
>open world sandbox is too much of a hassle programming-wise
>linear dungeon crawl has been done so many times I don't see any point
Is this why the genre's dead?

>>183034725
It's dead because only Jews and Japs can make good roguelikes.

>>183034725
That and there's barely any audience

>>183028267
I can't beat roguelikes so I'm playing Demon Souls to preserve my self worth. I just got to the maneatersdealing with the shitty framerate and fucked up audio is harder than actually fighting them

>>183034934
>Japs can make good roguelikes

Japs have only made one notable roguelike.

>>183035770
I was only spewing back things I've heard from /rlg/, and Elona is a fine game. That and I unironically liked the Pokemon Mystery Dungeon series. That was my entry into this genre, and it's only gone downhill from there.

>>183035770
omega labyrinth

>>183035770
also hengband

>>183037183
Trash.

>>183037293
+1

>>183035770
Roguelikes can't be notable anyway so that's fine.

the only good roguelike is barony you should kys if you disagree

>>183038017
Never heard of it.

>>183038017
actually, the only good roguelike is katawa shoujo

please stop dying thanks

>>183041780
I really wonder what's up with these drops in activity.

>>183041920
Roguelikes are hard.

>>183042656
Perhaps, but this thread is one of the least active /rlg/ threads I have ever seen.

when will the pcb autists return

where are the current cdda autists

>a shitposter comes into view

I dreamed everyone was posting ponies and the thread was so fast I couldn't keep track of it.

>>183043706
Sounds like a nightmare.

>Kevin's wife is a smug cunt
P
O
T
T
E
R
Y

>>183043152
>when will the pcb autists return

Speaking of which, did the latest PCB update seriously kill everyone's interest in the game?

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How fortunate.

Save us Duvessa!

>>183045116
Splatting my level 50 Psion to Ares because of a fatfinger killed my interest in the game.

Why can I shoot 10 independent shots per aut in doomrl but still be forced to take a full aut when I use the wait action?

>>183049121
Because actions which take less than one turn are bad game design.

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Ru is love

>>183035770

Elona is quite a league of its own that it might as well be another game genre

died today lads
thoughts on this?

>>183053241
keep trying

With all the issues that have been caused by Kevin being a dummy, can we expect a CDDA fork soon?

>>183053897
We can only hope.

>>183051413
>STOP HITTING YOURSELF.JPG
Seriously, ru is fucking based god, so much fun and so fucking good

>>183053897
Cool Days Ahead SOON

>>183053293
thanks for that one bud

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Made it out with the squad

>>183054378

Yeah, well balanced with the Drain drawback.

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>>183057465
>Crazy Yiuf says, "You came back for me."

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>>183057690

Despite Ru making me loveless, Yiuf found a place in his heart for me.

>>183057465
>Made it out with the squad
more like "squid" haha

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Just dropped $20 on this to support the dev after pirating. Triggered much?

(also check out my murderbot)

>>183058524
Yeah I'm triggered by that fucking font.

>>183058524
>Triggered much?
It's your money, you can waste it however you want.
You could waste it in some better, more good-roguelike-related way, though. For example, by buying dragon dildoes, female lingerie, vegan food or alphabet magnets for refrigerator.

>>183058720
Cogmind is good though. If you think it costs too much just pirate like you would with any other game, don't act like the game is bad.

>>183058921
>Cogmind is good though.
It isn't.
It tries very hard to stop the player from having any amount of fun, as fun is haram.

>>183058921
I like reading bullshit on the 4chan as much as the next guy but you take to a whole new level.

>>183059051
It's difficult, weird and counterintuitive, and it likes taking away your nice things. But that just makes it all the more satisfying when you end up with a powerful build regardless. I promise you I had lots of fun annihilating enemies with piles of neutron cannons after losing most of my previous build in the proximity caves.

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memes

>>183060498
Did you make this?

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>>183060885
yes
no
maybe

>>183061151
you don't know?
should I repeat the question?

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>>183061282
Maybe.
Who are you again?

>>183061558
I'm not the boss of you now.
I'm not the boss of you now.
I'm not the boss of you now.

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>>183061762
I don't know you.

>>183061762
You're a not so big guy

>>183062025
Idiot.

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>>183062221
An irrelevant observation. As expected.

why is playing a centaur so fucking boring

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Was going Sif Muna for a chance at Staute/Dragon form a bad idea?
I plan to switch to Jyiva if i survive that long, an Octopode has little to lose in terms of body slots and much to gain from benemuts.

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>>183066163
Welp, nevermind, i'll just spend the rest of the game regretting my betrayal.

>>183063552
>why is the OP kiting race boring
Because it's OP and kiting is boring

>>183053897
What is Kevin doing

Would anyone familiar with the Shiren/Mystery Dungeon series be willing to compare Shiren 5 to the rest of the series?

>>183041920
I work double shifts these days and barely have the strength to change clothes and shower before passing out. At least today I only work evenings. Hopefully I get only evenings for the rest of the month and next month tbdesu

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>>183069094
He majorly fucked up ranged accuracy and now is defending a badly done requirement for painkillers when installing bionics as "working as intended".
Now that someone offered to fix the shitty painkiller requirement by adding a mod that disables it, he went all https://github.com/CleverRaven/Cataclysm-DDA/pull/21430#issuecomment-315647357

Basically fucking up the game with terrible changes and doing it over and over despite all the github regulars standing as one in support of anyone who opposes his bullshit.

Somehow he manages not to notice that almost everyone dislikes the changes he likes and likes the changes he dislikes.
Or he notices it but decides that NO GODS, NO KINGS, ONLY ME

>>183071561
to be fair he didn't close the issue

so still better than Lennart

Huh. Where did Elf go?
What easy race should I pick for my wizard now?

>>183072014
>to be fair he didn't close the issue
Oh I forgot the part where he closed a PR that was supposed to fix mending body parts not getting broken anew when a mosquito hits them.

>>183071561
What even is the rationale for requiring pain killers? Are they going to require painkillers to cauterize a wound as well?

Are there any roguelikes that you can mod alot?

>>183075216
It went like this:
>installing bionics should take time because it's surgery
>let's also have it cause pain because it's surgery and have that pain affect the roll
>nah, it's enough that you just require painkillers
>the last suggestion gets implemented
So from a realistic idea that would fix morale stacked mass installs, it turned into "lol you can't do it if you don't do drugs first", because doing the good parts would take some work.
So in the name of realism, you need to be on opiates to perform surgery, but the surgery doesn't actually cause any pain.

>>183028267
Brogue as usual.

>tfw I fault and my +8 Staff of Conjuration burns up
First time something like this happened to me. I'm not even mad. I'm proud of the shenanigans I pulled in this run.
But my odds to get past D26 were nonexistent from the start and that's what I really care about after ascending a bunch of times.

>>183076240
Angband?

>>183038017
Looks tremendously unpolished but maybe fun.

>>183058921
It's full of fantastic ideas and theory. It's also incredibly boring in practice. Kyzrati needs to focus less on delicate systems with slightly different options, and more on making everything unique, because right now it's all very samey and lame.

>randart gold dragon scales on D7
>they're useless because octopode
fuuuuck

Page Ten, here I come!!

>>183058524
>bunch of sci-fi shit about robots and technology
Not medieval fantasy, therefore not roguelike and not appropriate for this thread.

I just finished my legit run ( I savescummed on characters I was afraid to lose ) MiBe
Didn't really use any god abilities except on Zot 5 the biggest benefit trog was dropping a bunch of executioners axes. I also had several scrolls of branding so I could rebrand them into something good ( was looking for Vampiric and freezing, only got freezing )
A luck mutation resistance mutation made orbs of fire much less of a threat.

I want to start a caster run but I don't know how to deal with ranged attackers. Do all spellcasters NEED repel missiles to even hope to survive? Even as a beefy melee with tons of HP rock throwers and yaktaur squads still chunk my HP. How to survive as squishy spellcaster?

>>183088847
(d)always
(d)acquire
(d)armor

>>183088847
Blast them right back

>>183058524
>>183058921
How's it bad? I'd been considering getting it, it looked neat, but I don't know about the mechanics.

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fucking finally oka comes through for me

>>183045116
everyone stopped posting notcrawl when the dcss tournament started

i guess having nobody else in the thread posting pcb killed everyone's interest in pcb

pretty dead huh

the general died the other day with less than 300 posts, I think

>You fall down a shaft for 3 floors!

>>183086748
>hurr
durr

>>183082318
What's samey? I'm new to the game but all my runs feel pretty different so far. I like how flight/stealth is its full-blown playstyle distinct from combat.

>>183091680
It's good. I'd rank it somewhere in my top 4 along with Brogue, DCSS and Sil.

>dead genre
>dead thread
Life is suffering
Does anyone unironically play nethack?
I ascended another tourist the other day.
al/ck/ and /rlg/ merge when?

>>183098892
al/ck/ would probably eclipse /rlg/ in terms of posts, but both contain lots of posts about suffering. It might work.

>>183098892
yes but i am a shitter and never won

>/ck/
What does cooking have to do with roguelikes when we eat all our food raw?

>>183096993
Movement styles and utility items are cool. I mainly have an issue with weapons (most of them), energy sources, and general enemy design. They all seem to differ by some minor stat changes that, I've found, never really impacted combat (you just keep mashing F as far as I can tell). Oh sure, some items and enemies are of a higher tier, so they're straight-up tougher and better, but that's all.

Compared to Brogue and Sil, where pretty much every enemy and item you encounter fills a really unique niche... eeeeh.

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It's nome problem.

>>183103945
*deletes crown of glory*

>>183105134
Take it easy, bro.

>>183106405
*deletes buff slashes*

>>183107776
Faggot.

>>183108268
*deletes quick dismiss and quick summon*

>>183108705
I fucking hate this kind of "ironic" humor.

>>183108880
You better not talk back or he's gonna delete more shit.

*deletes myself*

>>183108880
Get over yourself.

>>183088847

you'd always ensure to cast Regeneration

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*removes your armor*

>>183111036
that doesn't look like a fooc

>>183111036
>how do I get myself into these messes

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>>183111319
*scatters your armor around the entire level*
it's a swamp level

>>183111682
the tiny critter erections were definitely necessary for perfectly capturing the essence of the subject of the piece

What do you guys think about itemdest/quality degradation in roguelikes?

I feel like itemdest can work in some scenarios, like I feel that it works quite well in a game like angband. However, I've never found a circumstance where degradation has worked for me. Even in Brogue where I think it works the best out of any roguelikes (i.e. it's simple, guaranteed, and manageable through multiple methods).

>>183112501
Item degradation is literally no fun allowed - the feature

Is Uskayaw any good?
Sounds like it would be a good fit for my Gladiator.

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I FEEL THE WARP OVERTAKING ME..

it is a good pain

>>183112501
Item degradation is not realistic unless it happens to particularly fragile/shoddy items (not a fucking sword) or as a result of particularly brutal or unusual circumstances (acid, for example). (I personally wouldn't play those realistic games, but at least you've got a good explanation/philosophy.)

Therefore if it is implemented it must serve a very specific gameplay purpose. Most item degradation systems just add tedium (or a choice between "thing the player doesn't like" and "more tedium", which is equivalent to tedium anyway).

I'm going to agree with you, even Brogue's take on the feature is just... not exciting. It just means you're hitting a string of keypresses before and after fighting acid mounds, or handling the situation "creatively" (like they simply belong to the "enemy you can't take on yet" category").
It adds another downside to cursed items I guess. But it really doesn't make for meaningful choice, which sucks.

>>183113993
>4 runes
>300,000 (THREE HUNDRED THOUSAND) turns

well ya did it

>>183116665
have you felt the mummy pain anon

>>183116665
if not then you have no right to talk

>D:4
>Two-headed Ogre
>1800 turns

Who the fuck

>find artifact on the fourth floor
>it's a no cast item
>I'm playing DECj
Isn't that fucked up, or what?

>>183118747
FREE XP

>>183118747
get a blowgun

>>183113993
Congrats, pharaoh

Maybe this general needs a new challenge or something.

>>183121713
What kind of challenges do you have in mind, anon? I started posting here just before the last tournament, and there hasn't been any challenges that I can remember.

>>183122447
I got nothing. It might not even have to be something outrageous like the MuMo challenge, it could be something simple like playing a specific race and class combo.

>>183122645
That could work. Any other challenges? Could be for DCSS or anything else.

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>>183118747

use the sandblast

>>183121713
We tried this with PCB, and non-dcss games have like three people willing to play it.

>>183123879
I'll suggest illiterate atheist in nethack. It's not terribly hard (especially with wishes allowed) but often requires you to do something other than the standard way of playing the game. Maybe someone would even try it.

>>183118021

ur bad lol

>>183125293
and you lack a mummy win,
have at ye!

>>183121713
Make a fun and interesting roguelike game for your friends on /rlg/ to play. Winner is whoever makes the best game.

>>183126180
Are you new here faggot?
Never gonna happen

>>183098892
I love nethack. Seriously. I don't want an ultra-polished game run by a dev team that constantly removes stuff to basically shepherd me through the game in one of three styles blessed by the Mad Autist of Des Moines. I just want to play a camera-toting tourist and I'm okay with that.

>>183126345
Why not? Do you not have the capability of making a low-fi video game?

>>183128171
So you are new here

and you haven't seen the countless projects people have had in the past that never got anywhere


just checking

>>183122447
There's already a meme challenge for Gnoll which is just worshipping Chei (new Gnoll doesn't get Chei stats).

>>183125293
Don't talk shit unless you can prove your merit.

In cata is the minifridge even worth using?

I feel like just having a cargo carrier in it's place would be better than having perishables last longer (I'm using a sports car, not a giant RV)

>>183128875
Yes it is worth it.

>>183128875
It's pretty nice if you don't have a good, reliable source of nonperishable food.

Or you could just fill your trunk with 5 tons of powdered ant eggs.

>>183128382
Turns out, finishing (hell, even releasing) projects is hard.

>>183128875
It's not amazingly useful, no. You can dehydrate most food that spoils, if necessary, or just not harvest food until you need or can preserve it (like, crops won't start rotting until picked, or meat until you kill something).

>>183128382
Why is that? There are hundreds of roguelike games, and it only takes a week to make one.

>>183130845
It's kinda like how there are thousands of comics and yet people on /co/ fail to make them, at least as collaborations.

>>183102530
>They all seem to differ by some minor stat changes that, I've found, never really impacted combat (you just keep mashing F as far as I can tell)
Sorry but this is not remotely true past the first floor and often not even there. Please get good before you comment.

>>183131184
this

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remember fellas

Always
Dive
Deeper

>>183134094
diving a best

>>183028267
Brogue and Demon

I'm in the bad state of being too gud at demon to not burn out after a win, but too shit at brogue to get past the midgame

>Enemies very resistant to [element]
Really shitty game design right there.
What if there was enemy types that were resistant to physical damage to the point melee wasn't viable against it no matter how strong you got? This almost never happens in games, yet it happens all the time for spellcasters.
Why do retards think elemental immunities are okay?

>>183135543
>What if there was enemy types that were resistant to physical damage to the point melee wasn't viable against it no matter how strong you got?

holy shit all berserkers suddenly went extinct

>>183135543
Damage type systems are boring and bad in general.

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Remember, if you do not like a certain version of your favorite roguelike, revert to a past version. You can save yourself from playing bad versions. You don't have to suffer. No one is forcing you to play the most recent "balanced," "streamlined" version.

>>183136069
the fuck is this

>>183136069
Literally no one wants to upload pre-accuracy nerf Cataclysm experimental for Windows though.

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>>183136386
this

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...how is this an artifact

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Operation "Unlimited Powah" is go. Now to find some resistances besides elec and confusion.

>>183137953
Nice. What class?
I hope you're not a monk of craft because none of the cool craft spells work on dragon punches.

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>>183126180
On it.

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>>183138141
Yellow mage of crusade/life. Holy orb is pretty slick. Hopefully it gets even slicker.

>>183135543
>What if there was enemy types that were resistant to physical damage to the point melee wasn't viable against it no matter how strong you got?
those fucking niggers in Diablo 2 before the Diablo fight come to mind

>>183103945
I'm going to try out your build. What attributes do you level and why infectious bite?
Why do you get so many active attacks?

>>183138751
>infectious bite
That's leech bite. I got it early on and it stayed for all the game.
For a buffing crown of glory, the most straightforward attributes to increase are strength, vitality, and agility. Typically, you'd want to put more emphasis on strength or vitality than the other attributes, or you could keep them fairly even. Also, having a lot of active attacks can be good for reacting to different situations. For most of the run I had four attacks but towards the end I got rid of a passive and got eviscerate. You gotta know which passive abilities you can benefit from; I think the least amount of passive abilities I have seen in any build was merely one.

>>183131184
Comics are made by groups of people, though. Roguelike games all start off with a single author.

why is there no school life roguelike

Dubs decides my DCSS race/class/god for the next 10 runs

>>183140818
DECK of Nemelex

>>183140818
VSHu of Oka

>dubs on /vg/
You know there is a 1% of that happening, right?

>>183141364
Oh yeah. It's for the better.

>>183140818
deep elf chaos knight

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i just died from full hp to a trap in the thieves quest
quylthulg life is hard

>>183140818
TrEn of TSO

>/rlg/'s base players and bumpers have withered away into oblivion
>page 10 over and over
>talk of merging with with other generals
>talk of making a new Challenge that will never be made
The only thing you're missing is a symbol, someone to look up to.
It doesn't even have to be a new game, considering the sheer amount of people that don't play IA.

>try to play demon inspired by anon's ceaseless crown of glory runs
>your relic tries to keep you alive
>your relic tries to keep you alive
>your relic tries to keep you alive
What the absolute fuck is this shit?

>>183145648
You getting used to the latest version(s) of the game? I know I still am.

>>183145125
someone 15 rune a mumo so we can put this baby in the ground for good

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>>183145648
I got burnt out on Demon last year from streaking too many wins. What's changed in Demon? Is it worth getting back into?

>>183140818
Demonspawn Wanderer, take a faded altar every run

>>183146236
>last year
If so, there have been a few more floors added to the tower as well as one-floor branches for the various uniques. There have also been recent changes to movement, in which moving one space at a time now counts as half a turn. What that anon posted refers to a new mechanic that occurs when your character's HP reaches 1 and is still taking damage; you have your max HP drained until it whittles down to nothing and you die.

>>183146236
I just started but there are already a ton of new monsters, most of which I have no idea how I could use.
There are corpses fucking everywhere which give: an item, credits, an ability, spawn monsters, or- rarely- spawn a player ghost.
I don't know if it's just the crown, but you seem to have an ability which prevents you from being reduced below 0hp either a % of the time or a certain # of times.

I only really like the new monsters, the latter two mechanics really bother me.

>>183113993
>lajatang of speed
O boy

>>183146486
Oh that's what's happening?
Would love to hear the reason behind that shit.

>>183146486
>>183146562
Seems interesting. I'll give it a whirl.

>>183146676
I don't know, man. For the past week I have been hooked on the game once more after playing very little over a two month period.

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So I just die now, right?

Hulks are one of the worst things about this game. I've passed through this street several times without encountering one of these and then suddenly there's this faggot around a corner.

>>183146906
try to run away

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>>183146906
nvm, killed it. Weapons from the historical content mod are stronger than I thought.

>>183140818
MuMo atheist
also
>waiting for someone to get dubs in this dead thread

So I'm playing a gargoyle EE, thinking I'd like a staff of earth to go with it. Instead I found a staff of air on D2, and now I just found a +10 shortsword of speed. I kind of feel like I ought to train short blades, but how far is it going to get me? Speed and +10 nice, base damage 6 not so much.

Are there any more Lovecraftian or somewhat horror-esque roguelikes like Infra Arcana?

>>183149578
Not that far

>>183150160
It seems oddly not fast, too. I keep fighting things and they keep getting 2 attacks to my 1 despite only having 1 attack themselves.

>>183150760
Unskilled shield use?
The base delay is between 7 and 8 i believe

Have been looking at caves of qud for a while now. Can anyone recommend it?

>>183153187
I recommend pirating it.
It's worth pirating, but I'd be wary of paying for it.
It's pretty fun. Not great, not too balanced and tedious at times, but it has a unique feel.

If you're a /pol/tard, it has unironic "xe" in one place.

>>183153425
Lol, well okay maybe I'll wait for a sale. Call me a retard but I like supporting game developers. It isn't very "pure" or "classic" rougelike is it?

>>183154048
>Call me a retard
I sure will, retard.

A sane person pirates first and only pays afterwards.

>>183154918

>A sane person pirates first and only pays afterwards.

But that is redundant, why would you ever do that? Haven't you been thought by the /rlg/ priests that redundancies are absolutely condemned by our Church?

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A sane person only plays old qud. Not because of some idiotic morals about money, but because new-qud is the offspring of sproggiwood and looks terrible and has no difference from the original.

you people need to stop pushing the "hurr durr roguelike palyers don't like BUYING THINGS" before someone actuall starts believing it out of sheer newness. I personally don't like paying to have someone rub shit on my fucking face and tell me that this shit will eventually taste and smell wonderful but that's it. I'd actually give tips to the guy who makes sil if he even needed the money considering he's a famous university professor or the IA dev if he set up a tip jar.

But not people like caves of cock that thought adding tiles and two more places to a game would make it better. It's still fucking broken, they fucked up the UI, the savefiles are still 90 Mb each, there is no endgame and the fucking TWEET YOUR BUILD button makes me seethe in rage.

Then again /rlg/ is dead so why are you even trying to shill here?

>>183155550
How's it broken? I haven't played it since my old laptop with a numpad stopped working.

>>183150760
Some monsters have multiple attacks per each turn. The early examples are hippogriffs, two headed ogres and trolls.

>>183155550
>that pic
>with that idiotic rage post

why haven't you killed yourself yet?

>>183155992
Because my existence makes cunts mad.

>>183156103
All I wanted was to know if the game was alright or not. No need to rage and rant over it.

It hasn't been a month yet you fucking faggot.
Kill yourself!

>>183156656
Who are you talking to?

>>183156837
Pizzaboy over here.

>>183130845
Even if you don't know programming at all? If it's so easy that it takes only a week to learn and make shit I can make one this summer.

>>183037293
also Diavolo no Daibouken

SpEnfag here. Found the temple. Should I go with my favourite, Dith, or branch out to Gozag, Kiku, or even someone else?

>>183151982
I'm using a buckler but I have 5 shield skill.

>>183155916
That's why I specified 'despite having only 1 attack themselves'. It's stuff like bullfrogs.

>>183160096
SpEn mixed with necro is pretty stronk. I don't really find Dith that good an addition for stabbers, really. He's thematic and all, but you aren't really that much stabbier. His best power is probably leaking smoke rather than shadowform.

>>183161330
Alright. What are the Ideal necro spells? I also found a conjurations book but I don't want to go too deep down that so as to avoid being spread too thin

>>183160096
Dith is ehh really, go gozag or ash or kiku, they are all great for a SpEn, even oka is pretty strong

>>183164221
I never figured out how to use ash. I'll try him on the next run.

>>183165212
>find a weapon/armor/jewellery youll use for quite some time
>bind it
>save few scrolls to unbind stuff/get out of some shitty situations with cursed items
>repeat
I mean, the god is pretty straightforward and helps Sp with bit of 'shitty' apts in spells to put bit less effort into it + not being able to use shoes and gloves is a plus as well so its a nice god to use

>>183165719
Ta.

>>183165891
Ta?

>>183168041
Ty*

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>>183160096

SpEn^Kiku is ridiculous. Early-mid you confusestab everything, after you get Simulacrum online you spam that until you win. Pick INT every time.

The new necro spell infest plays well with it, along with Death's Door.

>>183168041
>>183168152
No, Ta means thank you.

>>183168165
I haven't played Necro in years. What are the spells I need to have? I don't quite understand how it'd synergize with Hexes

>>183168165

Because Infestation needs to be removed for being too stupid. But then again, is there a high level spell in Crawl that's not stupid? I can only think of LCS

>>183168152
Oh, no problem, i have some experience with SpEn well, probably not as much as some highly experted people in here and around but still with 3 wins with 3 different gods so i know the limitations and what works and doesnt work

>>183168373

>I haven't played Necro in years. What are the spells I need to have? I don't quite understand how it'd synergize with Hexes

You don't train hexes that much, it's only for early-game survival and maybe some mid-game stabbing. Essential necro spells are the ones that give minions (Death channel, animate dead, simulacrum, infestation) plus some killdude spells like Agony or Dispel undead.

Check this morgue for a recommendation for skill training. Note that I'd have gone necro sooner if I had gotten Animate dead in a Kiku book.

http://crawl.xtahua.com/crawl/morgue/MackTheKnife/morgue-MackTheKnife-20170719-132938.txt

>>183168467
I've been playing for 5 or 6 years and have never won, once. I think I got two runes, (Spider and Shoals)
>>183168608
Right. So, train Spells, Hexes, Stealth up to 8ish, then SBlades and Dodging to 12 and pump a couple into Fighting, then focus on necro?

Does praying help with having a loadstone in your inventory?

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>>183168818
>I've been playing for 5 or 6 years and have never won, once. I think I got two runes, (Spider and Shoals)
Anon.. Im sure youll win soon, just do your best and keep asking for advice in here as much as you can until you win!

>>183168818

Kind of, but more stealth.

Keep in mind that Sp is overall a race that's very powerful in the right hands, but can die very easily. Novice players eventually tab them to their death - even a single ogre mage or vault warden can be lethal if you're unlucky. So play slow and assess threats before engaging.

>>183168818

start playing online if you don't already, you can link your game here and get live feedback from /rlg/'s all-stars dck come back

>>183169293
Ok, so I ought to have stealth on in the background more or less the entire time. And to run away and not face threats that I'm even /unsure/ about. My most recent and irritating splat was to Agnes in the Spider Nest. I should have not even engaged.

>>183140818
Just press ! and do the first one

>>183131336
If memory serves me right, I could reliably get past Materials before I gave up on the game (and IMO that's already too long without variety).
Then again I was playing an old release. I might give this another shot if what you say is true now.

>>183076480
Nor takes time, ignoring the pain morale debuff stacking. Taking advantages of snorting a bag of low grade meth or any other stim drug to increase int.

hey nerds, are there any fun space games where instead of fighting the rng or spending 90%+ of the time mining you go around making money and having fun?

>>183145125
>IA
Do you guys recommend 18.2 or whatever the latest dev build of 19.0 is?
Anyway, I'd certainly play more of the game if it wasn't so utterly brutal. All my runs have ended before D10 save one, where I got to the end boss and died despite hitting him over and over and over (I swear, fucker must have hundreds of HP). I didn't know about the paralysis strategy then.

>>183138647
Nice. Is there a tutorial you're following?

>>183173713
>having fun
>roguelikes
Fun always goes against at least one goal of a roguelike.

Is Really Bad Chess a roguelike?

Has anyone finished a 15 runer worshipping other gods than TSO and Zin?

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>>183178321
Yea

Stand-God helps in a pinch.

>>183178321
Chei, Mak, Sif Muna/Vehumet, Ash are all solid in extended

>>183178321
I'm pretty sure I've seen 15 rune berseker wins before

>>183178958
Hexer, I'm guessing?

>>183179142
was a knight amazingly enough

>>183157372
Probably if you don't know programming at all it would take a couple of weeks, but frankly even that is not that much of a commitment.

>>183178321
Ive done it with ru and almost with qazlal

>>183180508
Oh and with chei too

>>183180508
>almost with qazlal
wha happen

>>183180697
I gotten the disco pan layout best layout btw and i noticed it too late, attracted the whole disco towards me and i couldnt do anything because i was playing a Fo, i was getting pained to death mostly

>>183180956
Fuck me thats terrible
my condolences

>>183181310
Its fine, i knew it i was gonna die eventually since qazlal is terrible in pan/hell and especially pan, even tho hell was pretty manageable honestly but if i remember as well my equipment was good as well so everything was dying pretty fast, 2h + shield is pretty strong

>>183180956
>Fo of Qaz in extended
Is this what masochism looks likes?

>>183182052
As i said, hell was pretty fine honestly, if only i knew how to get to old morgue files..

>>183178321
my only two 15 rune wins were with hep and kiku

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>Regional schools

Does anyone know what the base accuracy values/modifiers are for Crawl spells these days? The only chart of it I ever saw must be terribly out of date by now. I keep seeing people claim LCS is more accurate than Shot, for example, and it sure wasn't the case back then. Every discussion I googled seems to assume that all spells have the same base accuracy. Are they right, or are retards just jumping to conclusions in the absence of facts?

>>183186359
This is why you steal all their zombie candy as you kill them.

>Spells cost MP
>Spells can also be miscast
>You NEED to use higher level spells because the way damage and spell power works and how monsters scale
>You can still fucking MISS
DCSS devs are fucking stupid
They also think stair dancing is a problem, not realizing that any "solution" is just going to ruin the game because stairs are the only reliable way to run away from enemies regardless of item drops of character skill and manage difficult enemy packs.

Also conjuration spells are all awful. Only blast caster I've had fun with so far is ice elementalist and that's only because freezing cloud is relatively unique and ice shares school with simulacrum, ANOTHER relatively unique spell.
Other schools are just lame. Fire has no fun spells. Earth is just fire but worse. Wind is gimped because the doublezap gimmick ( why not just have it be as powerful as the other bolt spells and make doublezapping the tactical reward it's supposed to be instead of a fucking requirement? retarded devs )
Another dumb decision is that level 1 spells suck late game. Why is there a limit on spell power again? Oh, so they can give you the exact same spell later on and call it content. The fact that lower level spells have less damage dice per spell power pip is already enough of a limitation.

>>183189348
https://crawl.develz.org/learndb/

Spells each have different formulas for accuracy. In general higher level spells have higher accuracy, but not so remarkably higher that it would be relevant at any point compared to damage/MP efficiency.

>>183192945
>In general higher level spells have higher accuracy, but not so remarkably higher that it would be relevant at any point compared to damage/MP efficiency.
Source.

>>183191763
Because DCSS devs are degenerate goon retards who are autistically obsessed with
>muh elegance
>muh resources
>muh players must follow my carefully curated gameplay experience exactly with zero headroom

Giving the player magic that isn't limited resources is against everything those raging faggots stand for. That's why you have multiple checks for possible failure, that's why you still have spellhunger, that's why most utility spells have been removed or nerfed or check MR which makes them suck dog shit.

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>>183193086
Go compile every conjuration spell's accuracy on the learndb and post it here to try and prove me wrong, it would be productive for you and everyone else who's curious

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>enchanting equipment in korean mmo's.jpg

>>183194523
>Legendary Smithy
I guess all the good equipment sold out before you got there.

I remember there being a fork of Poschengband called Poschengband R but all my attempts of finding it have failed.

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>>183193567
Already did it myself - still stand by my point that you generally never want to cast IMB when you could cast iron shot, but ***technically*** lower spells tend to have higher accuracy. (except for iron shot because lol devil's team). Also more proof not to overlook poison arrow and to always overlook lightning bolt.

>>183193567
>to-hit: 10+power/25
Damn. I don't remember these all being individually posted on the learndb. Wel, okay then.

I also don't remember spell accuracy ever being a change that was listed in patchnotes, but some spells are better.

>iron shot To-hit: 7+power/15.
>crystal spear To-hit: 10+power/15.

Crystal spear used to be less accurate. It capped off at something like 17.

>poison arrow 5+power/10.
This is probably the most interesting one. PArrow used to be awful on accuracy, and scaled steeper, so at low levels it was even worse compared to say iron shot. Now it caps higher and scales shallowly.

>>183195256
https://github.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR

remember, playing PCB-R is literally cheating

>>183195402
>Now it caps higher and scales shallowly.
>power/10
Looks steep to me.

>>183173820
All I'm using is C++ and (n/pd)curses. If you google "TLDP ncurses howto" you'll get to a good tut. The hardest part is setting up the dev environment.

If you need roguelike design theory & useful algorithms for FOV, try roguebasin.

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>>183196029
>The hardest part is setting up the dev environment.
Windows is generally a terrible environment for devs.

>>183196160
This.

I'm doing it in a Linux VM during downtime at work and porting it over each night on my windows machine. Fun stuff

should I kevlar all my shit?
It seems to add an -awful- lot of encumberance nowadays.
Right now I'm wearing cargo pants, a sundress, a kevlar vest, and a survivor's archer pack.

>>183196880
With armor, you basically ask 'am I biteproof'? you either are or aren't. After that, it's 'am I bulletproof'?

Kevlar layers are tacticool and all, but they're probably not going to get you from one category to the next.

>>183197434
so there's no reduction involved?

>>183155550
>or the IA dev if he set up a tip jar.
Well, since you mentioned it, there is a donation section on the webpage:
https://sites.google.com/site/infraarcana/donate

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>>183197803
I thought that was as reductive as I could possibly be, to be honest.

>>183198017
You piece of shit.

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not bad for a d4 relic

>>183200110
>of music
>no +Noise and Stlth- on it
FAULT

Lets say you have a maxed out battleaxe and you try to corrupt/bless it with Lungou or The Shining One
Will it surpass it's max value or will it simply just add the brand?

>>183200440
it will simply add the brand

>>183195590
no it's just playing a different game
just like winning 14 conducts in Dyna is easier than winning 12 conducts in vanilla Nethack, but as long as you don't claim "I won Nethack with 14 conducts", you're still kosher

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That's one way to splat.

I wish Chris would fix spellcasters somehow. They're just so tedious and fragile and weak and remarkably unfun. Not coming back to draconian yellow mage again, speedy holy orb isn't worth the trouble.

Did you guys know zombie brutes could knock you through a wall?
My strength whore unarmed guy just had a fucking DBZ fight with one, as he kept smashing me through buildings until eventually I killed him in a dojo he knocked me into.

>>183203367
trapped chest?

Why are unseen horrors such pains in the ass?

>>183197808
NEW VERSION WHEN

Also, I'm going to miss (and have a hard time getting used to not) casting Cloud Minds as rogue with X+enter. Will we have a rod quick-use button?

>>183146562
Summoners don't die at 0HP, they have a buffer of losing maxHP first. Note they lose it fast, so if you get into a bad situation you're probably fucked anyway, but now you won't instadie if you autoexplore into Charm or a vulnerable element barrage. Damage has been upped like 20% around the board so combat is faster, but Ferret didn't want players to get owned by this change, and it seems to work.

Also relic wraiths really spice things up and are completely optional. and the only person I've ever met who didn't like them was that autist Sandman25 who hates risk and wanted Demon to be DCSS in terms of 'make lots of no-brainer decisions and be guaranteed a win' so fuck you, it's not like Demon is all that hard anyway.

>>183034725
>>open world sandbox is too much of a hassle programming-wise
Not that much. Think of it as an exploration of AI. Just write some basic agents with basic interactions within a very constrained system and use that as a start.
For example let behaviors be hierarchical, etc. Wanting to acquire thing X and how you acquire it are two different modules. Have the AI prioritize less dangerous (non-combat) acquiring of resources. AI jobs are a way to do this. So write a nice simulator.

It's a roguelike: at worst you have an ASCII graphics,at best it's 2D with tiles. The only thing taking up CPU time is the simulation.
Explore some concepts and keep it fun and you might produce something. Optimize later when you have the concept working.

On the other hand yes, calculating large amount of entities can be a problem. If you have a concept though then you probably have a way to figure out a possible optimization for your specific case.

>>183034725
I think it's simply because roguelikes are too slow, ponderous and without fancy grafix. Seems like most people's attention spans don't go beyond 2 seconds these days. So a problem of audience like >>183035497 said.
All this despite the fact that even with "linear dungeon crawl" there's so much that can be done and hasn't been done by anyone at all.

So, as a plant, what should I do with all the meaty byproducts of my leather industry?
It feels bad to waste them, but I -really- don't need them.
Should I just make a bunch of jerky and give it to random survivors?

>>183203908
indeedy, instant death due to no res

one day i'm going to make a roguelike that will revive the genre to its original glory

just give me a few decades to learn programming

>>183204349
>completely optional
Aside from getting huge rewards for participating in the minigame even if you don't encounter a ghost.
You may as well say that picking up credits or recruiting demons is completely optional because those corpses are fucking EVERYWHERE.

>Run away from enemies
>loop around a bunch of walls
>Enemy randomly turned around at some point so I am now caught between two enemies

>Difficult enemy so I run away
>Run up stairs
>Run down different stairs
>Enemy is somehow at THOSE stairs

>Shafts

DCSS devs are a bunch of cunts. Playing a necromancer is suffering. Whose retarded idea was it to make raised dead on a timer? Now you're literally summoners but strictly worse because you can't summon whenever you want to.

>>183205342
Bones can be turned into glue and fat into diesel. I don't see anything particularly good you can do with meat (there's dog food and fish bait for non-edibles, but it's not like those are useful either). Possibly mutagen, if you want to gamble.

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Can I just remove these things from the game

For fucks sake how is a necro even supposed to survive? No AoE, Bolt of Draining is shit, undead are on a timer. No amount of planning will help you survive when BoD costs 5, it takes 3 casts just to kill a basic ass frog and you only have 20 mp. Undead are fucking worthless meatshields unless it's a fucking hydra or something. I remember how in older versons I could barely survive as a necro by stair dancing enemies into my army of undead from the previous level. You could even pick up corpses and drop them off on a different level if you needed to. No fun allowed apparently.

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I've never tried Zin before, but shouting at everyone angrily is actually pretty fun.

>>183209278
H Y B R I D I Z E

>corpse is too heavy to drag back to my place
>cut it to pieces
>carry every piece
>it is exponentially lighter
wha?

>>183211325
>it is exponentially lighter
how can you decide that with only 2 data points?

>>183212180
usually by factors of 10.

>having fun
>fall down shaft 3 fucking D floors
>die
No fun allowed.

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>>183020360

>>183213947
404 on the spot isn't a thing anymore outside of /b/ and /trash/.

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>>183209015
...yes?
making a cdda mod to remove a monster from the game is extremely easy

>>183214289
threads on /bant/ 404 like that also

>>183211325
>thousand pound moose corpse
>cut it to pieces
>get 10 pounds of meat or less

cdda MCs suck at butchering
they really, REALLY suck

SPLAT

>>183216725
Splat splat splat,
clat clat clat?

someone have a fix for the painkillers shit? i was hoarding a lot of cbm but now that ive settled fine and have all the basics i need, find this crap and i don't want to kill my char in od

i really hope the devs have a new fork eventually and kevin and all his family and friends die, but for now there must be some kind of fix right?

Is the nethack mobile version any good? not as something serious, just something I can use to distract myself at work/lunch

What's the ongoing PCB challenge from months ago? Android samurai?

>>183219492
That sounds about right. Or it could've been doppleganger something-or-other

What's a few roguelikes that can be played bearably without a numpad? I gotta have that diagonal movement.

>>183219764
just use vi keys

so basically any game except coq or incursion, neither of which support vi-keys

adom doesnt have it as an option but you can manually change the keybinds pretty easily

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Someone choose a class. We're going to play Dungeon Crawl Stone Soup 0.3.1

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So this is the power of swamps...

>>183220754
MDCj with the crappy fire book

>>183220859
>doesn't have an armored front or plows
I would tell you to just ram through, but you can't.

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>>183222224
done. Check all these bright, rich colors. Also, 'D' is how you butcher in this version. 'D' for 'D'issect.

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GLORIOUS NIPPON STEEL FOLDED OVER 1 MILLION TIMES

>>183222974
From my experience with an armored car for an earlier character, rams seem to be just as fragile as any other car part. I did manage to get through there with only the car battery being completely destroyed, though.

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>>183223021
>ogre chases me away up a floor
>go down another stairs
>2nd ogre chases me away up a floor
>go down another stairs
>ogre plus iguana

wish I could allocate more xp to spellcasting for some bonus spell levels

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>>183224983
Yikes, centaurs are tanky sons of bitches in this version. Probably ate 6 or 7 magic darts/throw flames.

>tfw after one win you no longer feel the desire to play DCSS


At least it wasn't a MiBe

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>>183224102
Who needs to ram into anyone if you have turrets killing anything before they touch you?

>>183227283
But won't you need lots of bullets or electricity to do that? I can never find the tools to actually make bullets, and even then it looks like crafting only gives very small amounts that turrets would waste very quickly.

>>183229413
Laser cannons only waste electricity and not all that much. I think floodlights eat through batteries quicker than them.

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What the FUCK

>>183227283
As a super mutant, I can confidently say I've never used a laser gun or had a car with a laser gun.
I pretty much just wander from place to place punching everyone in the head until they die.