XCOM general - /xcg/

pistols are useful

In EW higher difficulty I used to rush a MECs to help deal with thin men, especially for that mission where you need to escort back an advent soldier.

Would the same strategy work in LW?

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>get shot by ayy
>Protected: 1
>panics
Holy shit. Calm the fuck down.

Why is this allowed?

>>182995573
MECs are very expensive in LW, so you can rush them, but it's hard to pay for their upgrades and suits.

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Threadly reminder that i am the ELDER'S MOST MEMETIC MEME!

im tired of this "everyone misses the 1 HP sectoid" meme

>>182995654

My B

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>>182995780

NO SNAKES ALLOWED IN THIS THREAD!

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>>182996572

>tfw you try to have fun in your fancy temple and your stuck up elder brother has to come in and scold you ruining everything

>>182996631
thatsssss racissst

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So, in one of the recent interviews Jake mentions a "new ending". Does anyone else hope that means we'll get some better cutscenes?

>>182996858
yes

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>when you have to choose between killing an ADVENT soldier or a Sectoid before ending your turn, and choose the ADVENT soldier because you know the Sectoid won't go for the flanking shot on your soldier for he'll instead create a zombie
lmao

>>182996934
>when you have to choose between the sectoid who's already rezzed a zombie or an officer
>no guaranteed way to kill either

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>>182996934

>when the Sectoid decides to shoot you and crit through full cover

>>182995327
Well it seems I gonna jump from CIV to this, one simple question: should I start with XCOM EU or EW or LW or simple go straight to XCOM2/LW?

Would you mind I sharing my play with you via SC? Thanks mates.

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>>182997074
I could not have predicted this outcome.

Though it is intriguing.

>>182997130
EW > LW 1 > XCOM2 > LW2

>>182997130
there is no reason to play EU over EW
LW is way, way too difficult for a first playthrough

2 improves on many, many of the mechanics in EW so if you cant handle "downgrading" I suggest you do EW first

>>182997130
If you haven't gotten into the series yet, then starting with XCOM EW (which on sale you can get for like $10) is a pretty safe bet.
If money isn't an issue, and you want to jump in to what everyone else is playing, then starting X2, WOTC is just fine.
>SC
Wat dis?

>>182997130

Do not ever start with LW, LW is made for 1% "hardcore" audience, if you're new you'll just get rekt.

It's up to you whether you start with Xcom 1 or 2, if you start with 1 don't bother with EU, EW is just EU with more stuff, there is no point in playing EU.

Xcom 2 has an expansion coming in August, which will work similarly to EW. Sooo, you might want to play EW now, and then buy Xcom 2+War of the Chosen when it comes out and play that.

Why isn't there a comfy anime about ayys coming to earth from all over the galaxy and trying out comfy human food?

>>182997784
what the fuck does comfy human food even mean you asshole

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>>182997361
>>182997450
I don't mind losing or taking up a fight, I always play it the veteran/hard because I really appreciate not having me anything handle to me.

Might take EW first and then LW and then finally move on XCOM2 > LW > Expansion

>>182997432
Screenshot aka "see how bad I play it and mock me"

>>182997847
Enemy Within

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>>182997784
>Why isn't there a comfy anime about ayys coming to earth from all over the galaxy and trying out comfy human food?
http://www.taadd.com/book/Oh%2C+My+Sweet+Alien%26%2333%3B.html

Probably because there is.

>>182997847
>screenshot aka "see how bad I play it and mock me"
Oh yeah, carry on

>>182996934
Sectoid AI is really bad in vanilla. I know it's because they're an early game threat but still.

>>182998331
I do this in LW2 and it still happens. Sectoids are just dumb.

>>182998331
I find it odd that they sometimes take two movement actions in a turn while they're already next to you, and this sometimes happens on Commander.
I haven't played Legend yet, pls no bully.

>>182998331
I think its because theyre usually found in small pods
so when you kill their buddy they immediately think "I need backup"

>>182997847
>Screenshot aka "see how bad I play it and mock me"
Rule 1: Don't yellow move into darkness
Rule 2: flanked = fucked, make sure it's them and not you
Rule 3: When the going gets tough, fall back and regroup

>>182998576
>"I need more corpses"
ftfy

>>182998417
I guess lump was feeling merciful. They always attempt mind spin vs me. One of the reasons I take revival protocol.

Also when they switched combat protocol and revival protocol I learned the value of medical protocol. Remotely wiping poison has saved my ass 10 times now.

>>182997847
>>182998578
Rule 4-999: break los

>>182998656
Zombies don't drop corpses I thought? They are like mind controlled units of I'm not mistaken.

>>182998656
>Sectoids will never shoot and kill friendly troopers to raise them as zombies

>>182998845
What.
>>182998889
Mod when?

>>182989238

>Comfy psi learning

>>182998931
When you dominate an enemy they won't drop a corpse when killed. I think psi zombies exhibit the same behavior.

Sorry I worded that poorly.

>>182999179
Ok I get that, but what's the context behind bringing this up? I'm lost as to what you're responding to.

>>182998725
>break los
I usually just kill everyone in a turn or two (on Classic Ironman), does that count?

>>182998578
I gonna get fucked I bet

>>182997074
>not using EU aim rolls mod

>>182999350
Someone said sectoids like to raise zombies because they're like "oh shoot I need backup." Anon 2 said "I need corpses" ftfy. I was under the impression they were saying that from the player's perspective, as though they'd get a second drop.

>>183000071
Ohhh.

Nah I'm pretty sure he meant that from the Sectoid's perspective, not the player's perspective.

>>183000334
Yes in retrospect it seems so.

Autism is fun.

>rocketeer misses lone advent soldier and kills friendly squad member
A I M
I
M

>>183000472

Rockets are cancer, don't fall for the Technical meme.

> 20min to finish download
> +20 to install it in shitty laptop

So tell me can I heavily customise my Soldiers or that is something for XCOM2 also.... is ok to pirate the second game? Will it work with mods?

>>183000723
if anything you shouldve pirated EW
mods can still work but obviously downloading them straight from the workshop is 100% more convenient

>>183000723
>So tell me can I heavily customise my Soldiers
>heavily
No
>customize
Yes

>XCOM2 also.... is ok to pirate the second game? Will it work with mods?
You can't use mods straight from the steam workshop. You can try to ask where to get a pirated copy of X2 here, but your unlikely to get an answer.We don't have much of a pirate population, not since release

>>183000951
I know where to get the pirate game, just wanted to know if LW2 would work in a non-steam version

>>183000839
Already had the game from giveaway long time ass ago in 2015 but never played it.

You know, baraposter's screenshots made me think. The game needs a specialized healer class, and combined with the mod he uses we can have a unique one.

Using the AWG's Gene Therapy, you can make your soldier larger, with big pecs, and able to lactate nutritious healing milk and literally nurse injured soldiers to health during missions. Move either the medic or the injured person next to the other and they'll Hunker Down and the medic cradles the soldier who starts to suckle. It lasts an entire turn but during that time the soldier is covered and the medic has increased defense from Hunkering and the genetic therapy toughening his back and side skin, After that turn the injured soldier is fully healed and depending on the level of the medic and what upgrades he has other benefits for a turn or two after like regenerating health, increased melee damage, increased aim/dodge/critical chance, etc. And one upgrade lets the medic nurse two soldiers at the same time and confer the bonuses to healthy soldiers by nursing them for a turn.

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>>183001339

>>183001462
I wish man, it is a old laptop with a 710M, doubt it can run XCOM2 at 60fps@720p

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>>183001339
You know, I think the bara screenshots are kinda funny, but you my friend, should kill yourself.

>>183001339
Make it a female bodyslide and i'm on board

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>>183001339

YOU DARE DEFILE THIS SACRED BOARD, WITH YOUR WRETCHED SMUT!?

>>183001631
Sounds fair. Though it would give the female soldier cowtits, is that okay?

>>183001978
of course, in fact it is preferred.

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>>183001339

Is LW a meme ?

Installed it to try it out, second mission step outside the landing zone immediately trigger 2 pods of 6 ayyys and a 3rd one "arrives" from the side effectively boxing the entire crew on the 2nd turn of the mission.

I wanted to make a playthrough before the expansion arrives for x2 but this is just dumb.

>>183002791
did you infiltrate to 100%?

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>>183002791

>he fell for the LW meme

>>183002791
Long War is for hardcore players, that being said, you need to wait until the squad infiltrates before launching a mission.

>>183002791
>2 pods of 6 ayys

try reading the information in the commander's quarters. You really need to infiltrate

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Here we go mates! Lets get ready for some memes and rekt moments.

>>183002254
>>183002235
>>183002060
>>183001860
>>183001609
>>183001550
>implying you wouldn't nurse your hunky squadmate's energizing milk to get the power needed to slaughter the ayy menace

>>183002791
Both Long Wars are a meme. There is a reason MAGNIFICENCE is a thing. The primary dev of Long War wants you to lose and actively hates the fact that people are capable of beating it because he sees it as a personal failures and like they are beating him personally.

He changed a fuckton of the original Long War JUST to fuck over Beagle who was beating Long War on impossible. Do you understand the level of fucking cuntishness and childishness that requires? The FAQ literally tells you to get good and any failures are entirely your own. The creator is a massive cunt and it is a meme.

All of that said though it adds a lot of great things to both games. It gives a lot of depth to EW and X2 but it also adds a lot of bullshit because as stated before the primary designer behind it is in fact a cunt who can only get off if he is telling someone to get good.

I would still suggest playing it though.

>>183003156
does anyone actually use combat stims?

>>183003268
its really good actually just not needed at all also the lack of zerker corpses in vanilla makes it even less likely to be picked up

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>>183003130
good luck commander

>>183003268
I never get enough beserker corpses to really use it. I kinda want to carry one on my assaults as an "oh shit" button, but it's too expensive to justify.

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>>183003446
Can't take screenshots with ShareX, what kind of bullshit is this?

Normal/Ironman

>>183003771
Maybe it doesn't have window focus? I take screens with the steam overlay so I dunno.

>>183003268
I would if Berserkers would show up more often and not on missions where I can't collect corpses.

>>183003771
I guess you'll have to use Steam's screenshot function. It's one of the F# keys iirc.

>>183003268
eh i used them a couple time desu they were complete letdown imo

>>183003771
>>183004120
F12 by default

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>>183004120
>>183003923
It works on widow mode... could be worse but still
Hope normal is not to easy

>>183004547
did you try borderless windowed?

>>183003268
Maybe if berserkers showed up beyond once or twice total.

>>183004547
>Hope normal is not to easy
normal is the easy difficulty actually
the game is balanced around classic

>>183004628
I did now, works just fine!
>>183004714
I might make a new game then

>>183004000
I didn't know until recently that there was a t3 gremlin, because sectopods never showed up where I could collect corpses.

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>18 mobility
>3 moves

hnnnnnnnnnnngh

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>>183004878
>using default squad names
That's that one mod that adds fire emblem sorta things right?

>>183003268
Only with the mod that removes the whole losing the item part

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Now this looks like fun, overwatch is both fun and fucking shit

>>183003268
The Tank class can get an Overdrive Serum in their inventory for free once a mission, and it is delicious. Surprisingly good item, when you have frequent access to it.

Also, /xgc/, does anyone have that discount code for GMG for War of the Chosen? I wish to give Jake my money like a good goyim but am poor with sick family. Is there a noble anon who will assist a Commander in need?

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>>183005684
Early on try to go for as much meld as you can. By lategame it gets way harder to safely get it and it is needed for certain soldier upgrades that really can shake things up. Patience is key, but don't be complacent, there are several missions that will pressure you for time so you'll want to not be caught in one mindset for play.

>>183006446
Is that XCOM2? Man I want that custom options

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>>183006687
Yes.

>>183006446
>Early on try to go for as much meld as you can. By lategame it gets way harder to safely get it
It's usually the reverse for me. Early game, I'm forced to take it slow with my rookies, but after I've got some leveled soldiers I can use my preferred blitz-style tactics (on Classic difficulty).

in the first LW I dont really get whats the point of just flat out increasing the overall numbers to make it "harder" in air game

it just makes the whole thing look stupid as shit, why the fuck would you send 5+ planes to intercept 1 by 1 ?

>>183006340
2017E318OFF Only Valid till the 19 Anon.

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>>183005684
> full cover
> not flanked
> 8 damage crit through a wall

fucking game man already down 2

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>>183006687
>>183007126
Yeah, its xcom2 but with quite a few mods layered on top (armours, guns, etc.)
Gun mods and the like may need a bit of tweaking for damage for immersion, but don't overdo it or you'll ruin the balance. Most mods are easy to download through the workshop, but Nexusmods has a decent amount as well if you want to pirate it.
>>183006807
Yeah I can definitely understand that, but I'd rather let the more expendable troops take the risk rather than pushing too fast against Mutons and the like. Haven't played EW since it's release though so I'll defer to you here.

>>183007126
ha, I recently squad wiped on that map too
I fucking hate it

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How does meld even work in the long war? Do i need to research some other shit before I can research meld recombination?

>>183007253
In Vanilla it took a while didn't it? Chances are in long war you can double that time. It adds so many cool things for depth but I do feel like it makes the game *too* tedious.

>>183007247
I gonna bail, lost 3 dudes just in 2 rounds
Fun shit but I gotta think better since ironman mode is active

>>183007253
The tech tree in LW is a lot longer and wider, but if I remember right you need to research alien materials first.

>>183007453
This is what I meant thanks man!

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Wooo woo woo wooo

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>>183007430
Good luck anon!
May the odds be ever in your favour

>>183007040
Oh shit, glad I fucking asked. Thanks mate, you're a legit guy. May you hit all your 25% shots.

Is it just me or does Vahlen look like Eva Green?

>>183001219
While LW2 might work in a pirated copy, be aware that if you're playing on a toaster you'll hardly manage to play more than a mission at once, if your CPU won't reach supernova it'll be your GPU going crazy and glitching everything or your RAM leaking.

Actuall, if anyone knows anyway for the game to release some of the memory it hogs, I'd be veryg lad

>>183007867
Np, I don't have the cash atm to drop the $30 for GMG so I might just buy it at full price when it comes out like a good goy.

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>>183008006
No it's not just you.

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>making a squad composed of ex-EXALT
>Staying true to their roots and only using the classes they had in EW
>end up with a sniper, a specialist, 2 gunners, 2 rangers, and 2 technicals loaded up with as many rockets as humanly possible
>use them as a wrecking ball on missions where infiltration is impossible
>mfw the carnage they can unleash

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>>183007816
Fuck me mate, this dudes snipe the shit out of me

>>183008278
I kinda don't entirely have the $30 (fucking family draining all my cash) but I'll be damned if I won't save $10 for something I was gonna buy anyway. You're a lifesaver, anon. Hope you find some cash yourself to pick it up early, while you can still get a discount of some variety.

>>183007170
>Haven't played EW since it's release though so I'll defer to you here.
Well, I only really started playing EW about a month ago, so don't take my word for it. The blitz tactics I mentioned were actually developed in EU; it was a happy surprise that I didn't have to change much with the expansion.

Yeah, I have a different way of playing it seems. It seems to be effective, though. IIRC, I beat at least a couple early game terror missions with squads that had 3-4 rookies in them with only basic on Impossible, simply by ignoring cover and moving as a tight group that overwatched every turn.

Needless to say, I'm excited for the Horde missions in the new expansion.

>>183008272
I really wish I had a better laptop or at least I could play through a stream of some sort

>>183008337
>Fuck me mate, this dudes snipe the shit out of me
Heh, just wait until you meet the Thin Men...

Mind meld gives a bonus to aim, and half cover is almost worthless. But there's also an Achilles' Heel...

Thankfully, as long as you're not on Impossible, a single grenade is an rng-proof solution.

>Vahlen looks like Eva Green
>Bradford looks like a man wearing Eva Green's makeup
>Tygan looks like an ayyy
>Shen looks like Tygan's leftover ayyburger
What went wrong?

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>>183009158
There is a light dude but he barely made noise, so far its fun but only one kind of enemy.

What should I prioritise?

>>183010267
Vahlen wandered off to do super science and evil things. Without her expertise, Central didn't know how to recruit real people instead of ayys in a coat.

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>>182995327
Need some PirateZ help. I'm completely stumped on how to make the Codex ship. I have the grey codex, I got the loot from it, and I have the shining hull, which tells me it is for the Ship Fortuna, but I can't do anything with it. What am I missing? Is their a tech level I need to be at? Bootypedia is less than useful right now.

>>183010350
MECs are super useful but build the containment lab first it lets you get bonuses vs enemies you autopsy.

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>>183008682
New Horde missions look chaotic as fuck, it'll be a nice change from ADVENT all the time. Limiting your use of explosives really sounds like it'll cut your options dramatically.
>>183008337
Smash em with nades and rockets man. Use it to cut through walls and reduce cover too. Don't be averse to just sitting on overwatch for a turn or two just so you can snap out any roaming pods.

Any anons know how long it usually takes to get a GMG code via preorder? I want to know how long I'll potentially have to preload the game before it releases with my shitty internet

>>183010267
Shen takes after her father too much. She could've ended up like Alyx Vance.

>>183010928
You've asked this for like the last five threads and you got answers in those. It's usually a day or two, sometimes day of, it varies and isn't consistent enough to give you the lead time you need. Stop spamming the thread with this.

>>183011098
It's not spamming if he's not getting his question answered, chill out man.

>>183010350
In order of importance, but not necessarily the order you do them
#1 Get someone to Sergeant and build an Officer Training School for Squad Size upgrade
#2 Get a mech, they're awesome bullet sponges for your weak early game soldiers
#3 Satellites, get as many as you can as fast as you can. Cover entire continents so you get the bonus (also, abductions will no longer appear there).
#4 Capturing aliens alive gives you massive research bonuses, and you'll be able to use their weapons after you research them (mid-game)

Wha aliens do you guys use dominate on?

>>183011173
He *has* gotten the answer, he just doesn't like it and it's getting annoying that he is asking an answered question multiple times every thread. Just... what, does he think it's gonna change magically? It won't. Sure, his situation sucks and I sympathize, but annoying us with a question he has the answer to isn't gonna help him any. GMG isn't gonna do what he wants and he knows that.

>>183011173
>>183010928
Maybe he should try Google
https://greenmangaming.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/215465478-Game-Key-FAQ?mobile_site=true

>>183011469
>He *has* gotten the answer
Oh, guess I didn't see that.

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>>183011450
>Wha aliens do you guys use dominate on?

>>183002791
>>183003231

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=StiazErCXLQ

long war in 10 min

>>183011815
> puts entire team next to truck
> gate keeper spotted
you know what fuck you

>>183011098
>>183011469
>>183011509

Actually this is the first time I've posted here since the first reveal after E3. I'm actively avoiding any X2 news because I'm hyped as fuck for WOTC and I want to go in as blind as possible, which means no /xcg/.

>>183011509
>>183011173

Thanks for the tip anons. See you at launch!!

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Well, it could've been worse.

>>183010638
>New Horde missions look chaotic as fuck
>Obviously never read World War Z

>>183013501
>Using world war z as a basis for how anything would work

man, /k/ had a good time ripping that book to shreds

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>>183013501
>WWZ
At least you read.

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What's the workshop mod that "fixes" advent not having aim penalty at distance?

Second question, is there a mod that tweaks enemy lethality down so combat isn't "kill on your turn or you are absolutely fucked?"

I'd like to turn combat more into EU/EW shoot outs instead of this lightning strike bullshit.

>>183014003
>Second question, is there a mod that tweaks enemy lethality down so combat isn't "kill on your turn or you are absolutely fucked?"
LW2 unironically

>I'd like to turn combat more into EU/EW shoot outs instead of this lightning strike bullshit.
No such thing. X1 was all about overwatching into the alpha strike.

>>183013850
I almost can't blame them for doing that.

>>183014003
>Second question, is there a mod that tweaks enemy lethality down so combat isn't "kill on your turn or you are absolutely fucked?"

I did a playthrough with this intention. You'll have to adjust the timers as well as a bunch of other shit because the game is balanced with the assumption you'll be able to kill a pod within at most 2 turns.

>>183011428
>>183010582
>>183010638
Thank you all for the tips, gonna play more tomorrow is already late here.

See ya tomorrow

>>183013951
>the guy who writes dilbert is fucking THAT
Maybe there's hope for me after all

What's the mod that adds the officer training from the AWC?

>>183015371
LW2? Their is probably the full mod and the individual component.

>>183015371
LW leader pack?

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>>183007040
>2017E318OFF
shit, i fell for the preorder meme again.

>>183010571
you need to make some kind of contact with mutant alliance, build a library, do the back to school project. just use the tech tree viewer to see what's required for the FORTUNA research project (or whatever your ship is called, depending on what codex you chose).

>>183016237
>contact with mutant alliance
Or so I have to do the *Mutant Alliance*? All right, thanks anon.

>>183016237
You only save like 4 bucks. I get paid 43 an hour, so any time I spend waiting for my key after release wastes my time in equivalent cost several orders of magnitude greater.

In short, I'll take the hit for a preload.

>>183016512
>he gets paid hourly
kek

>>183016512
>he's not a NEET

>>183017353
I just did back of the envelope from my take home pay last year. I worked like 2000 hours last year so I just did the arithmetic.

>>183016512
I don't know what you're talking about, GMG gives the keys out before release. And that's $10 off the steam price, not 4.

>see snipers got buffed in latest LW2
>decide to turn one from holotarget bitch into damn good ground sniper
>deletes a squishy each turn and gets to use a stock to guarantee hits through full cover
They're totally nerfing this because snipers are actually useful now aren't they.

>>183017757
Apparently I cannot read. Guess lockmart should fire me.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=974484108&searchtext=

What's /xcg/ think of this mod? I think it's pretty awesome and I may do a campaign in it.

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>Ayy casually punches you
>19 days in the hospital

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Remember to lift enemy VIPs with your legs, not with your back.

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DerBK's enemy list for A Better ADVENT 3

Is there a mod that shows recruit stats on the recruitment screen?

>>183019518
That's the ayy way.

either Jake added an extra pod to each mission while I wasnt looking or im just getting really unlucky

>>183019801
>spotter

Good that he cut it. I really don't understand the point of it if it still summons enemies even if you kill it in one hit in concealment. Better to just have a normal pod.

>>183019801
>Doesn't add ADVENT Pathfinders
DROPPED

>>183019801
>Cutting the Doomsphere
Absolutely pleb-tier enemy list. Fuck ABA3.

>>183019801
>8 variants of lid
for what purpose

so much redundancy

>>183019801
>people still play a worse bloatVENT

I swear to god ive missed every 80% shot ive ever taken

>tfw you accidentally activate 4 pods on turn 1

>>183020343

I think DerBK just really likes Chryssalids and wants them to be hard late-game enemies. He even made them spawn in normal non-retaliation missions which leads to hilarious situations where they start killing civilians in city centres.

>>183018093
No, only xwynns is bitching about it. Honestly, snipers are the only balanced class. A sniper from any tree is useful.

>>183020793
Funny, I have had them spawn on the first mission. Unless he fixed that with a later update. But hey, free Hell Weave.

>>183019963
Vanilla? It doesn't matter in vanilla. No variation in stats.

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>>183019801
>A Better RAINBOW 3
No thanks. Simply doing a mass recoloring of units puts me off. LW2 does this, but on a much lower scale than ABA, so I can tolerate it a bit. Additionally they actually introduce new meshes/armors for some aliens so that's a plus.

The way I see it, if you're going to create new types of enemies, actually add something to them instead of just recoloring and resizing/changing the guns. Claus got it right, LW2 got it right, the dude who made the Celatid alien got it right.

>>183021161
But I have second wave on, so it matters now.

>>183021405
in EW they don't generate till you buy them

>>183021484
What about in 2?

>>183021692
If you're using the mod you kinda fucked

I think the only thing that does that is LW2

>>183019963
LW toolbox I think

>>183019801

>revenants are gone

Thank fuck

>>183019801
Oh god the Torcher is becoming a prime? Archon King lite

Otherwise I have any complains here, although he could do away with the wrecker and heavy troopers as well.

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Weeel shit

>>183023302
at least youre not on a timed mission

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>>183023302

The time has come

is there anywhere I can download the mod tools. off a repack.

>>183023302
>>183023454
Is there an explanation as to why the ruler's changed one of the fundamental rules of XCOM, that being they (the rulers) get to preform an action after each action point an XCOM solider makes, as apposed to waiting for XCOM to complete their entire turn?

>>183024298
because theyre boss aliens and thats their gimmick?

>>183024298

Tygan says they are HAYAI at one point when you fight the Viper King, so i guess that's it, they are just super fast.

>>183024298
To be fair, they are the most dangerous single units ever thought up for XCOM, which is their entire purpose.
The usual method of just stacking health, armor, damage, etc. was never very successful at making one unit extremely scary, but still beatable.

>>183024298
Vahlen doesn't give a shit about turns

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Avenger Defense was rough

>Commander we've run out of reinforcements There's no more help coming

>>183024298
I think the better question is why aren't the Alien Rulers their own factions, if they're meant to be pre-Elder versions of the aliens? Having the Viper Queen and a group of Neonates skirmishing with ADVENT pods on the map would be cool as shit.

Hopefully WotC's multi-turn system will allow mods to make this possible.

>>183024375
>>183024539
>>183024375
I can understand wanting to incorporate a gimmick to sell a DLC pack, but don't you think the "Ruler Reaction" ability (if you will) is quite unfair?
The only reason for it being included, as far as I can tell, is to get a guaranteed kill on one to a couple of your soldiers per encounter, or at the very least putting them on a vacation for a long time.

Not only that, but the regular aliens get to take their turn after the ruler's reactions. You have to make a decision to kill the regular aliens first or put damage on the ruler before it escapes, still potentially putting your soldiers at risk of dying.
The only way around that is if you manage to find or pop the ruler pod before activating anything else, and god help you if you're on a timed mission.
You get some weapons assist your ruler hunting, sure, but they have massive disadvantages like one shot per mag, and you have to devote precious resources to upgrading those over squad weapon/armor upgrades.

I do like the idea of adding in tough boss units, but they way it current is presented with the Rulers isn't executed well IMO. I hope WotC does better.

>>183024298
There isn't an explanation because XCOM exists for gameplay desu

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>>183023302
Fuck you lmao

>>183025461
wotc is nerfing rulers a bit if thats any consolation

>>183005240
Fire Emblem sort things??

>>183025315
The Berzerker Queen and Archon King, I think, were just intended to be bioweapons that Vahlen could turn loose against ADVENT, so it would make sense for them. But the Viper King is intelligent and self-aware - I suppose he just decided that working for the Elders was a better deal than trying to fight them and XCOM.

>>183025461
>unfair
Didn't even read past this. Having "fuck you" stuff is fun, as long as it is the norm.
It's a optional dlc, perfect place to have something like that. Since they are integrating more into the regular game with WOTC, they are being nerfed abit.

>>183024298
They were stumped as to how to make a single enemy difficult. The way the came up with was to have them just cheat. It didn't matter how much health or armor they stacked up players would just rape them to death if they weren't doing some bullshit but they went way overboard.

Luckily they are being rebalanced with WOTC. Instead of getting a free action every time you use one it's a lot more limited.

They don't get a free move if someone moves outside of their LOS and you can take non-aggressive actions like reloading and I think support grenades along with a few other things won't trigger it.

Though my problem with Alien Rulers was never their action economy. It was that THEY RAN THE FUCK AWAY LIKE GIANT GODDAMNED PUSSIES WHEN THEY STARTED LOSING.

I get that they wanted boss enemies but the rulers never seemed like anything more than gimmicky cowards.

>>183025637
Meant to say "isn't" the norm.

>>183025461
>I hope WotC does better.
We already know they'll do it at least a little better - Chosen don't have the reaction system and start out pretty weak healthwise, their general progression in damage/health plus the strengths they get across the campaign are what makes them a challenge. You also know all their strengths and weaknesses no matter what and can check it mid-mission, meaning that you have an easier time developing a strategy to beat them despite their multiple possible strength combos.


They can up to 5 strengths but they can only have 2 weaknesses, by the way. so don't expect any Chosen to develop into an exclusive wimp.

Rules are also getting rebalanced in WOTC, as an aside.

>>183025461
>but don't you think the "Ruler Reaction" ability (if you will) is quite unfair?

No, because they give you specialized tools to deal with them and there are multiple checks to make the fights doable.

The unfair part on the player's side is

>Rulers can spawn on Council missions
>Disabling the story mission makes the Rulers spawn too early AND doesn't give you the tools you need to defeat them
>The weapons being unique means if you lose them you'll be at a disadvantage to the Rulers forever

I also don't like that moving at all makes them react. It means that there's no strategy except staying in place and taking shots.

>>183025560
>>183025731
>>183025774
This is great to hear.
At least they acknowledged Rulers might be a tad ridiculous and are choosing to do something to revise it.

>>183025774
>WotC LW2
>Chosen can get up to 10 strengths and lower their weaknesses to 0
>Each one can appear on a mission independently of each other
>Each one can also bring down the avenger, even one right after another
>They also have 4 action points per turn

>>183025627
I still think it would make sense for the Viper Kang, seeing as how it had some babs as soon as it would loose. It'd probably take the Neonates and start a tribe, raiding ADVENT convoys for supplies.

>>183025731
>THEY RAN THE FUCK AWAY LIKE GIANT GODDAMNED PUSSIES WHEN THEY STARTED LOSING
It seems the Chosen will stick around either until they get what they wanted or if their HP is depleted.

>>183025961
>>Each one can also bring down the avenger, even one right after another

I believe this is going to be in the vanilla WOTC, since the intelligence values are all separate. Hopefully they'll each have unique defense missions and maps.

>>183026092
chosen get to teleport pshhh nothinn personnel away from the battlefield when they "die" and can only be permanently killed via special mission attack on their base

>>183025315
>be Viper King
>humans have you caged and are running terrible experiments on you
>eventually escape from these demons, killing any of these evil creatures you come across
>wandering aimlessly, you eventually come upon an ADVENT patrol, two sexy snake ladies
>they're all over you from the moment they spot you, so you take them into a cave and start having amazing orgies every day
>they tell you about their jobs and how nice ADVENT is to them
>skip ahead, and you walk around the area looking for more snakes to bang
>encounter ADVENT troops fighting the vile demons that had been torturing you for as long as you can remember
decide to join in and help ADVENT deal with that blight

>>183026225
I would imagine that Jake would at least put a cooldown for such activities that affects all chosen. He isn't Lump after all.

>>183026092
Yep - Chosen are described as immortal and undying, so I don't think we'll be seeing any retreats from them. The tutorial mission is a special case so that the Assassin can bag Mox at the end.

>>183026227
I know that, I was just saying they don't seem to be little bitches anymore.

I can't wait to face off against all 3 CHAMPIONS in Waterworld.

>>183026092
I'm fine with that because the Chosen don't violate the rules of the game like rulers do.

What made me so salty was that they could use their ruler reactions to escape and there was not a single goddamned thing you could do about it because every action you took gave them one.

It's one thing to pull the bullshit on ruler reactions but it's another to allow them to use it to escape and deny you the loot. It's the most fucking horseshit thing ever. They should have either been given normal turns or had they were made strong enough to force you to flee and they had no escape options.

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Your thoughts on this?

>>183026492
I swear to god I will hunt you down and fuck you like a little bitch.

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>>183025461

>don't you think the "Ruler Reaction" ability (if you will) is quite unfair?

How long do you think it'll be until we all decide not to go for the Chosen strongholds to take them out and let them live the whole game to add to the challenge?

>>183026609
>all
Never

>>183026474
>It's the most fucking horseshit thing ever.

...what? You should be able to kill them after two or three encounters. It's not like they flee and then are removed from the game forever. If it's really busting your booty, hit them with a freezy bomb then drop a couple of soldiers on overwatch in the time you've bought yourself, so they'll get mown down trying to escape.

>>183026562
L-lewd

>>183026609

The Chosen were described as "chatty" so I'll be forced to murder them all as soon as possible until the "QUIET CHOSEN" mod is released.

>>183026609
No because having them show up will be a pain in the ass if they kept getting stronger and stronger along with them having really damn good weapons to use.

>>183026969
I find the fact they react to certain situations pretty cool desu. I'll probably leave it on for a few campaigns until I've seen all the combos, then I'll get a quiet chosen mod or maybe one that just makes them not talk AS MUCH.

>>183026562
>>183026913
Can I watch?

>>183026721
My problem is that I can only kill the Viper on the first encounter 90% of the time. I don't want to fight them twice when they should have died the first time but they ran the fuck away because MUH BOSS fight.

>>183025461
Making a long winded as fuck post doesn't change the fact that you absolutely need to git gud. Your argumments are non-existant.

>>183027070
No.

>>183026991
But they can only get 5 strengths, they don't indefinitely get better like a certain mod. I assume they get damage and health ups throughout the game but they're limited in how many strength skills they can get. Plus, the idea of fighting them all at the final level sounds like it'll be fun in the masochism way.

>>183026229
>be Viper King
>escape your human captors and butcher them, decorating the cave they stayed in with their skulls and spines
>life's good for a while, until the human's friends come in and butcher your kids and force you to flee
>Wander this alien world for a time, Bolt Caster in hand
>Eventually come across what look like more Humans in black armor. What's more, they seem to be accompanied by females of your own kind
>Cautiously approach and make yourself known
>Black armored humans raise weapons, along with the females- you respond in kind
>All is still for a moment
>An armored human mutters something to itself- no, it is responding to a voice it hears
>At once, it shouts a command, and both the humans and females open fire
>Your reflexes far exceed the humanoids, and in moments only a single female remains
>You move in and disarm the female, and it backs away in a defensive posture
>You attempt communication, an effort to understand why it does this thing
>But you see it in her eyes; they are glossy, glazed over. She is not of her own mind
>Finish her off
>There are no kin on this hostile world; the only thing that can be done is to start anew

>>183027109

The Rulers run away to benefit you. It's balanced with the idea your soldiers will get wounded and possibly close to death after many Ruler turns. Them running away is giving you a break and letting the next fight be easier since they don't recover health.

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>>183026969

Quiet Chosen will be shit, what i want is a Warlock only mod, whenever a Chosen talks he is replaced with Warlock.

>>183027109
>when they should have died the first time

Why? What makes you think you're entitled to kill them in one go, when it's obvious they're intended to be recurring enemies that exist to throw a wrench into otherwise routine missions?

>>183027145
Well then I'm gonna hunt you down and fuck you like a shy bitch.

>>183027970
I'm gonna hunt you down and fuck your intestines out.

>>183027549
> it's obvious they're intended to be recurring enemies
they're not though, they're meant for you to hang onto axe + frost nade + viper armor so you can throw nade/free action frosty grab to freeze it in place and attack attack attack

>>183028191
Gross.>>183028191

>>183028772

If they weren't intended to be recurring enemies they wouldn't portal out m8

>>183028885
Portal out is punishment for not being properly equipped at all times

>>183029008
Shut the fuck up you fucking redditor.

>>183029351
>Warlock didn't buy into the iMeme
Confirmed based

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>>183029351

>You plan to defeat the humans with this!?
>Lmao they're totally going to freak am i right!?

I actually had to full on cheat. I couldn't handle the bullshit

>Get crit in heavy cover and go into bleedout on iromman
>Nothing wrong with that I'm okay with that it's part of the game after all.
>A commander throws a grenade at another guy next to the evac zone
>The evac flies all the way to the otherside of the map on the last turn

I couldn't handle it I entered my console commands and fucked off right then and there. Fucking Bradford.

I must thank the anon who called me out on my stupidity earlier regarding the price of WotC on GMG. Saved me 10 bucks.

Now I can make more money working on stuff I'm not supposed to talk about.

>>183030953
Is there anything more crushing than when the bleedout timer is one turn less than the evac timer?

No matter how hard you fight he's fucking gone.

>>183031104

Is it the viper king/vahlen fapfic?

>>183031489
dont forget to bring your medkit!

>>183026492
It's just, why the hair?
The hair makes it goofy, not the premise.

Given how soldiers can get both sides of their ability tree and more, how will this affect Shen and Bradford in their missions? Will the viper king mission still be in?

>>183033983
Well I did have a medkit but the guy with the kit got shot and I couldn't see any button to use his on him. If that's so someone needs to really mod that in

>>183032896
No, I mean my day job. I can't talk about it or I'll lose my job and clearances really quick.

>>183034123
Imagine psionic power like static electricity.

>>183034243

Oh. Well, that's disappointing. Have fun with your funky job, anon.

>>183034196

Yes, and every Ruler now has their own stronghold.

>>183034243
are you an XCOM

God, I just realized what the point of the WAR suit's cover ability is
It's not to provide cover at all, it's to enable disgusting flanks on ayys that you can't quite reach

>>183035448
Explain. I've never used it because I just assumed it'd be grenade bait.

>>183037993
not that anon, but I'm guessing is that he is using the war suit's cover ability to allow someone to get a step out flank, which would allow them to flank someone one tile out of a blue move range.

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Im going to miss sawn-offs once I go back to Vanilla for the expansion.

Also do they ever get an upgrade?

>>183038135
>flank shot doesn't kill the ayy
>they move to the WAR suit soldier for that high cover bonus
>crit some flanked xcom soldier across the map

That happened when I moved a spark to a near point blank flanked viper. She survived, moved to the SPARK for cover then poison spit 2 soldiers. Was pretty annoyed desu

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I just came back from a long break on xcom 2 and I wanted to have some fun, I installed LW2 and many other cosmetic mods and I got my ass destroyed all the time.

all 8 people in my squad has sub 30% aim 90% of the time, which I am fine with usually if I am not outnumbered as fuck every time I try to maneuver my troops to a better location or make some legwork to the objective

Is this normal or am I just too casual

>>183038703
LW2 is a magnificent RNG fest

>>183038703

you must be playing like a complete mong

Are you shooting enemies across the screen behind full cover? Are they in smoke? Are you flashbanged? Because it sounds like it.

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i finally beat x com 2 after putting it off take that you damn green bastards

>>183038887
I don't mind RNG even though the accuracy of my squad ranges from 0%-30% all the goddamn time, the point is Ayys always outnumbered me 2 to 1, I also don't mind being outnumbered but since I am on a tight timer all the time I am literally unable to complete the objective unless I sacrifice everyone.

am I suppose to just fail the objectives and focus on killing aliens early game just to level my squad up?

>>183039053
>cover
I always make sure to flank them if they are in full which would raise my accuracy to above 50%, but usually it's about 30 something when I am firing on ayys behind half-cover.

>smoke
no smoke bombs for the aliens yet
I never fire into places where I lack vision/fog of war still in effect, unless I am using explosives to take advantage of them being unaware of my presence and being tightly-packed.

>flashbanged
I would know that because then their accuracy drops to 0% against all enemies.

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Pls post helmets/head gear so I can steal them, I'm running out of ideas.

>>183039461

Long War 2 comes with not created equally enabled by default. You probably got a load of soldiers with shitty low aim, or something. Best to use grenades in your case.

>>183039718
>Long War 2 comes with not created equally enabled by default.

fuck I didn't know about that, thanks for the tip.

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>>183039562

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>>183038703
Yes, LW2 is always like that. And if you try to flank your enemies, you activate another 8 man pod of enemies that are individually too strong to fight. Have fun.

>>183039461
>am I suppose to just fail the objectives and focus on killing aliens early game just to level my squad up?
If I am not mistaken, in LW2 soldiers get a lot more experience from finishing a mission than from killing aliens.

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>>183039562

ADVENT helmets for the avatar mask and I think modular helmets for the top bit.

>>183040061
the worst part is sometimes I try to savescum and unload a rocket into a room where I know a bunch of ayyfucks that ambushed me from my last save, turns out another 6 guys are hiding on the roof of the fog of war and I end up aggroing 2 squads together, what the fuck.

>>183040604

>shoot some muton out of cover with a sniper
>miss :^)
>destroys a wall behind it
>activates another pod of advent

I always alt f4 shit like that

>>183040393
What's the Defender stuff?

>>183041184

One of Nigel Thornberry's Halo sets. It's all pretty good but there's a few of them to download.

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>>183039562
hows this

>>183043357
Are my eyes fucked or is there a slight green tint on everything?

>>183043540
>slight green tint
I don't see it

>>183043540
go to bed anon

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>mfw veteran difficulty alien rulers murdered 10 of my guys
>mfw Commander difficulty alien rulers have died on either the very first encounter or second encounter and none of my guys have even been hospitalized by them

>>183043656
We call it "gitting gud"

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>>183043540
i was messing around with my re-shade options the saturation is kinda high in the screen shot have some spooky operators

>>183043656
>uping the difficulty means I get punished for my mistakes

wow anon, your two braincells finally started speaking to each other.

>>183043702
that's just it
I feel it's more of luck for me because I already am "good" enough at the game
the Viper Kang I burnt to death and my Assult with the crossbow got lucky and stunlocked the beserker queen for me to disorientate it and burn it again
I still have to fight DEATH RAINS FROM ABOVE though
incendiary nades are nice

>>183044293
>veteran difficulty
>above commander
do you have difficulty reading?

Potential new player here. How's the enemy variety in Xcom 2? Is there like a plethora of different aliens and shit?

>>183044762
Depends how you define plethora, and how you define alien. Regardless, the enemy variety is pretty good and it progresses meaningfully the entire game.

>>183044762
kinda
Mods can add more but here's the quick rundown of the base game+DLC (not including the new DLC coming out)

>>183044762
depends on where you are on the spectrum.

>>183044762
there's a few samefags like the different Advent but every enemy is pretty unique

>>183044919
>>183044762
forgot link http://xcom.wikia.com/wiki/Aliens_(XCOM_2)

>>183044919
That was a very quick rundown

>>183044976
The four different Advent troops have different stats and abilities though. They're not reskins.

Also, you guys remember the outsiders from enemy unknown? Those guys didn't even have any abilities.

>want to complete a lw2 campaign before the magnificence of 1.5
>don't want to burn out on xcom with wotc a month away
fug

>>183045445
There is the elite variants, that's what he is referring to.

>>183045485
>tfw already burned out after playing nothing but xcom 2 for 3 weeks straight

Surely I will be healed in 6 weeks or however long...

>>183044762
>>183044762
Advent troop
Advent officer
Advent stunlancer
Advent shielbearet
Advent turrets(not really enemies but whatever)
Advent MECS
Sectoid
Viper
Muton
Archon
Chryssalid
Berserker
Codex
Faceless
Andromedon
Sectopod
Gatekeeper
Avatar

One of the DLCs adds 3 boss variant enemies. Viper king, berserker queen, and archon king.

The upcoming expansion adds the Advent Purifier, Advent Priest, and Spectre plus 3 brand new boss type enemies called the chosen(hunter, assassin, and warlock).

The enemies are pretty well thought out and varied. They each have their unique roles/abilities.

>>183045490
Oh yeah but those are just the same enemy types with upgraded health but whatevs.

Still more enemy variety than Enemy Unknown.

>>183045264
Efficiency should always be commended.

>>183045485
>implying pavonis is going to update after wotc drops.

They would have announced something by now, but their official statement is that there is no statement.

>>183045612
1.5 is already in the pipeline, i just don't want to play >everything is a roll: the experience

>>183044762
Pretty great. There are too many humanoids though(advent, codex, avatars, etc) that sometimes it feels like you're fighting mass effect aliens.

>>183045701
>he thinks 1.5 will drop before the xpac breaks everything

>>183013850
Downloading that book now to see what the issues were.

>operatives who were just poisoned can suddenly no longer be poisoned in the following turn, thus being stuck in a poison cloud and getting re-poisoned
Fuck off with this shit. Just extend it to 2 turns, including the one that follows up right after the initial poison.

>>183045612

Pretty sure Jake said he would talk to them after E3.

>>183045718
its almost like there is a major plot point that is brought up constantly that would explain why the aliens looked the way they did.

>>183045914
if you don't move in the cloud you don't get re-poisoned

>>183045902
massive amounts of fuddlore

fun fact, according to the book zombies are completely immune to bombs

>>183021385
Advent back in black on workshop is the best for ppl who hate skittles enemies.

>>183046028
But why would I stay in the cloud when one or more scenarios are happening at the same time?
>there's a timer
>position is most likely flanked
>blazing pinions inbound
>shotgun blast of doom from sectopod next turn
>etc

>>183046307
>but why would i stay in the cloud
maybe if you don't want to get re-poisoned

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>>183046443

>>183045992
>it's fine that the designers are creatively bankrupt because they have a plot point that explains it

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>>183046669
While plot is always a bad argument for this kind of stuff
>creatively bankrupt
Take a short hike off a cliff please

>>183046669
>game is built from the ground up to be about the aliens ruling over earth
>alien tentacle and dick monsters should sit on every corner

>>183046807
I want an alien anemone creature that grabs your soldiers in tentacles and slowly vores them over three turns and if you don't save them in that time they're dead and gone.

>>183046891
> worse version of the viper

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>>183046669
>creatively bankrupt

>>183046891
They decided that was a shit enemy mechanically back in XCOM 1

>lore and realism guy is back
Just don't feed him, people.

>>183046748
>>183047043
>2/3 enemies are two-legged, two-armed humanoids
>not creatively bankrupt

>>183047135
How are they immune to explosives and overwatch. Reeeeeee stop saying aliens aren't realistic

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>>183047168
Don't you have Culture novels to be jacking it to?

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>advent reinforcements taking cover behind my own spark


hhhhheh