Ace Combat General #321 - /aceg/

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first for the demon lord

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Second post for best plane

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3rd for comfy COFFIN

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4th post for planefus

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Fifth for comfy planes.
I want an adventure game with planes.

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>>182544118
There desperately needs to be another Sky Odyssey game.

My dream would be a space sim, open world type game with a Crimson Skies/Talespin/1920s skin and a good flight model though. Just flying about, trading, exploring and living the comfy seaplane life.

BURN OSEA TO THE GROUND

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is there ANY country as retarded as belka?
>take too much lane and hit economic trouble
>forced to give up ustio to try and recoup some money
>somehow still fuck that up and get in even worse economic trouble
>completely fail to stop osea snatching up territory despite 'the might of the legendary belkan air force'
>when they start losing territory to basically a single pilot and first his border obsessed friend then his polo obsessed friend they nuke their own country seven times
>when that fails and the ustio forces manage to reach hoffnung they proceed to completely and utterly destroy their own city for no reason
>when even that fails proceed to make an extremely powerful nuclear warhead only to entrust it to the border obsessed weirdo who has suspicious ties to the enemy ace
>border obsessed weirdo then gets destroyed by the enemy ace and their new nuke gets destroyed in belka
>15 years later attempt to instigate a war between osea and yuktobania for profit
>get found out and almost singlehandedly destroyed by a single squadron of yandere peaceniks, crybabies and suicidal aces who can only say yes or no
>try and drop a satellite on osea as a last resort
>gets destroyed in midair by the same squadron
is there ANY country as incompetent as belka?

>>182545108
The answer would be a resounding no.

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>>182545108
theres a reason belkaball exists

So... about the Su-27M, Su-35, Su-35S and Su-37.
The Su-35S has no canards. The Su-27M and Su-37 have them.
Did the Su-35 have them or not? There was this anon a few threads back arguing that the Su-35 we see in AC5 is modelled after the Su-27M rather than the production Su-35, while later titles' Su-35 are modelled after the modernized production model, the Su-35S.

>>182545756
The SU-27M has canards. The original design of the SU-35 had canards, but those became unnecessary with the he introduction of TVC

>>182545108
The enemy nations in Ace Combat tend to just be the protagonist's punching bags

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What are some design features not present on any flanker?
Single engine is technically present under the form of the S-54/55/56 (pic related is the S-56, the others were trainers).
Off the top of my head I can list 4.5 style stealth memery and delta wings.

>>182545850
Thanks, that clears things up.

>>182546297
>What are some design features not present on any flanker?
Propellers

>>182546741
Well played.

>>182545850
Right, the Su-27M was the original design of the Su-35. The next generation of Flankers was to include all sorts of avionics, engine, fire control and radar upgrades, which they did, but like you said, TVC and all the various upgrades, including the first glass cockpit in a Flanker, resulted in the canards getting axed. Also the Su-35 saw the removal of that vertical airbrake, in favor of the vertical tail acting as the brake. Braking using the control surfaces is always, always superior to a dedicated speed brake.

>>182546297
>delta winged Flanker

OH PLEASE NO

>>182547002
>that reaction
Would it be THAT bad? I mean, other than changing the wing shape and maybe removing the horizontal stabilizers, a smoothed out cranked arrow delta wouldn't look that bad, unless I'm missing something big.

>>182546297
Variable wings have never been on a flanker, have they?

>>182547619
Nope.

>man I haven't checked ACI in ages, I wonder what new stuff was added
>"Dogfight" plays as the MVP music when wearing the "Warwolf (emblem)" emblem.
>not "Release"
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>>182548036
>tfw they haven't updated any of the stores in like 6 months

I think it deserves to be ded.

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>>182547002
>OH PLEASE NO
Oh yes.

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>>182548202
D E L E T
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>>182548202
now add the intakes to complete the perfection

>>182548202
You absolute MADMAN
Let's see how far we can go

>>182548147
Such is life under Scamco.

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>>182548202
>typhooned flanker
Delet. Use Rafale or Gripen

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>>182548202
If we're going to make a delta Flanker then at least stick with the clipped wings.

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>>182548397
>TYPHOONED.com

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>>182548752
Where are you going to stick wingtip missiles though.

That said I couldn't meme a Tiffy intake in there because it would not be visible from this angle. So here's this thing.

>>182549135
Having the canards directly in front of the intakes is a bad idea, I think in this case it's better without them.

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A quick sketch, I can't into props.

>>182549135
I'd recomment a cranked arrow wing.

>>182549135
the f-4 flankphoon

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>>182549323
Now you've done it.

>>182549245
>Eurocanard without canards
Well now it's just a Gripen with a badly drawn right canard.

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>>182546741
>>182549323
I decided it was too messy and could use some improvement despite being a quick sketch, so I went over it's design again.
I might need some guidance from propbuddies.

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>>182549690
I think it'd be better to just stick with the original canard configuration.
I mean, at this point, it just looks like a Rafale, but you get the idea.

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>>182550243
I mean one thing would be to not stick exhausts on the radiator and to give it the same amount of blades per prop. Other than that it's not even that outlandish.

>>182550492
I quite like this now tbqh. But it'll probably be flat as fuck when viewed from the side.

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>Oh hey, new thread!
>Oh...

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2017-05-26-raiden-5-directors-cut-is-coming-to-ps4-and-steam-this-autumn
Another shmup game to enjoy while waiting for AC7

>>182550869
If you overlap the canards and main wing it's going to really fuck it up.

Try putting them above the intake and forward of the wing for optimal design.

while I was doing some yardwork 2 f-22s and an f16 flew over my house
didn't get pics tho, they were pretty fastboys

>>182550869
I see. Are there other glaring mistakes I might've made?
Or just tweaks you find would work better?

>>182550869
To elaborate on>>182551021 a low canard creates a low pressure area on the underside of the main wing, which produces a strong pitch down force. They also decrease total available lift compared to have no canard at all, making them strictly detrimental.

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>>182550869
Or you could put the canards in a configuration similar to the T-50, where there is a part of the wing extending over the intakes and the canards are attached to that wing, not the main body.
Looking at it this way, the T-50 seems like a Delta Wing Flanker.

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>>182551062
They're great to see in person.

Back when F-22s were still being manufactured they'd fly over my house on test flights all the time. They'd always look like pic related, and from the ground I couldn't really see the lines, so when I first saw it I was convinced the USAF's new cutting edge plane was made out of copper.

>>182551545
Actually, taking into account that the Flanker's intakes are already situated on the underside of the fuselage, moving LERXs wouldn't be bad.

What do my buddies over at /aceg/ think of Sky Rogue? I played a bit of it yesterday and while I think the flying is pretty fun, it could really use some more varied objectives and maps.
Are there any other fun PC games similar to Ace Combat? I'm already set to check out HAWX, but I don't think it's going to be enough to hold me over until 7.

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>>182551021
>>182551518
>>182551545
We may be taking this a bit too seriously. But sure, I moved the canards back over the intakes.

>>182552918
beautiful

>>182551356
There is hardly any room for the front engine I imagine and you might want to move the elevators forward to make canards because the wings are so far back.

But it's fine really.

>>182552918
This could shape up into something neat.

Surprise surprise the ace combat wiki is wrong about something. Do you buddies know how to unlock the Argus part in ACX? I'm trying to build a retard mode XFA-27 with 4AAMs

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>>182552918
This is way better than any right it has to be.

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>>182553139
Does this look better?

>>182553921
I would fly the shit out of this 2bh.

>>182554027
Thanks, I guess it wasn't such a misguided endeavour after all.
Is there anything you would change?

>>182553921
Looks like it's straight out of Crimson skies. So it's perfect.

>>182554194
I would move the canards a smidge rearward.

>>182554418
Actually scratch that, they're fine where they are. Perhaps make the main wing a little deeper, and maybe try for a bubble canopy.

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>>182554538
Deeper as in more sweep? I modelled the greenhouse canopy (and much of the front) on a MiG-3, given that there was no Sukhoi OKB.
A Spitfire XVIII canopy should look good.

>>182554954
Deeper as in they go further down the fuselage. Spitfire canopy should work perfectly fine.

>>182555079
Should I use the MiG-11 designation? I believe it was left unused.

Whew, not even a hundred replies in and we already managed to design two new aircraft.

>>182555354
Personally I've always prefered Sukhoi's designations. Su-11, and Su-19 are both unused.

>>182555508
Truly the best general.

>>182555626
So they're both used after all. Su-12 was a planned prop interceptor, but it was scrapped, so that's open.

>>182555626
I suggested the MiG because the Sukhoi OKB didn't exist during WW2.
I do prefer using Su-, though.

>>182555850
Right, I forgot about that. In that case, I'd say run with MiG-11.

Also we need a designation for our delta winged Flanker.

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>>182555936
Scratch what I said.
And I was mistaken on when the Sukhoi OKB was founded, but their WW2 era aircraft were experimental, except for the Su-2, a light bomber.
Aren't even numbers reserved for ground attack planes? A quick search told me that the Su-12 was to be a reconnaissance aircraft.

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>>182555850
>because the Sukhoi OKB didn't exist during WW2

Wait what?

>>182556185
See >>182556160

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>>182556281
Yeah I know.

Hadn't refreshed when I posted.

>>182555936
Su-27DK? With DK standing for "Del'ta-krylo" (Delta wing as suggested by Google translate).

>>182552918
Next up, Variable Meme Wings!

>>182556592
Forward-swept Variable Meme Wings*

>>182556701
have they even made a plane that has Rear swpt variable wings?

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All this memery made me remember about fucking Vector Thrust and his fictional planes.
"A production mishap that resulted in over 200 Su-47 aircraft having their wings installed backwards resulted in the limited deployment of the Su-74 Tukreb. Despite the mistake, the aircraft remains flyable, with improved speed performance but decreased mobility because of the conventionally-swept wings. As all other electronics and weaponry remain intact, the Tukreb boasts similar offensive, support, and defensive capabilities as the Berkut. Because of this, combat performance has been judged to be on-par with the Su-47. "

>>182556570
That's funny, I was just about to suggest del'ta krylo tipa (delta wing type).

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>>182556868
yes

>>182556925
This feels wrong

>>182556925
I like this

>>182557023
wait fuck, misread it, thought he meant the opposite

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>>182556925
Good fucking times.

>>182556185
Translation for those interested : "Su-2 m-888 number 45032 with TSS-1 turret belonging to the 210th BAP.
The pilot, G. F. Sivkov, will be named hero of the soviet union twice. The navigator is P. I. Zemlyakov

We need our planes colored now.

>Su-27DK
>MiG-11
Have a nice ring to them.

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>>182555936
Okay, here it is.
The MiG-11B. B being the revised version with a
bubble canopy.
How does it look? Lowering (and enlarging a bit) the wings is a surprising improvement.
>ctrl+S
>crash
>export to PNG
>crash
It's just three layers, dammit.

>>182556570
>>182556592
I sort of want to do these and FSW (not a Su-47). I'll use cranked arrow wings for the delta to reach a result that isn't a ripoff of the other drawbuddy's.

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Post cute planes that didn't deserve the fate they got

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>>182557398
Holy fuck this is legit.
Also the Chimera is already cranked arrow.

>>182557539
Fucking REEEEE

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>>182557294
Late war or early war?

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>>182557539
it brings me pain to think about it

>>182557648
Early-war two tone green, for sure.

>design a few new planes because why not
You guys are the fucking best, I love it here

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>>182557539
:^)

>>182557634
But the Chimera isn't a Flanker.
>>182557774
Also, did WW2 russian fighters have anti-glare patches in front of the canopy?
tbqh, I was thinking late war because this looks "cutting edge", but I agree that the green is beautiful. Also, MiG-3 had red nose cones, so I'll use that detail too.

>>182557997
That's true. Also I have no idea about the anti-glare patches. Good point about the late war, go with the gray.

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>>182557539
rip

Why is /aceg/ so comfy?

The other generals I frequent are full of butthurt and developer complaints.

REMINDER THAT CHOPPER GOT WHAT HE DESERVED

>>182559129
Love (of planes) conquers all.

>>182559129
>comfy
Don't.

>>182559245
Chopper deserved a better death than crashing into a fucking stadium.

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>>182552918
One more for completion's sake.

>>182559334
>how to out yourself as /v/ermin

>>182559494
/v/ermin were the ones who spamemd "comfy" all over the site.

>>182559574
It's a perfectly viable adjective, they're the only ones who screech at any use of it.

>anons do a better plane in 1 thread than namefag can in a month.
Pottery.

>>182559658
>namefags reee anon appears again

If you were actually here doing the whole thing you'd know the plane was designed by committee, not a single person.

If you're going to shitpost, at least know what you're talking about.

>>182553484
Wow what an intriguing question i'm definitely not bumping my own question no siree

>>182560904
Clearing 3A with an S in the Fregata didn't get it for you?

>>182561136
Nope. I'll do it again, but it didn't work.

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Holy fucking shit what's wrong with this mission
Even the Delphinus 2 is too slow for this shit.

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>>182557398
>>182558342
And it's finished!
I think I will do other flanker variants another day. Cranked Arrow, Variable Swept, FSW... Many possibilities. I wonder which ones will clash with superior Flanker aesthetics and which ones will work well.

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>>182562136
Holy fug, muh dick
This is some seriously good looking shit.

>>182562136
Looking good.

>>182559658
Tom Brady and Thunderceptor doesn't sound too anonymous to me.
Or are you just upset that you don't have any design skill yourself?

>>182562136
That dorsal air intake seems like its too far back

>>182562405
The thing on the back are the exhaust ports of the rear engine. It's air intake is the Spitfire-like "smile" on the bottom side.

>>182562568
Woops meant ventral

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How does such a cute hate herself to the point of wanting to become the Internet instead?

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>>182562136
Here, I Waifu2X'd it for max resolution.

>>182563203
No BAC (Big Ace Cock).

>>182563203
Because she is worst girl.

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>>182562405
This is the engine layout I had in mind while drawing, no idea if it's actually feasible, though.

>>182563284
I could provide you with a higher res than that, but there would be all the pesky sketchy details hidden by lowering the resolution.

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>>182563472
POST IT MY DUDE

>>182562136
Thunderceptor wanted me to relay to you that the canards need to have a 45 degree angle on them

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>>182562136
WWII Superplane sexy as fuuuuuck

>>182562291
Tom and Thunder ya'll need to get started on a WWII tabletop for next game.

>>182563472
I'm no aerospace engineer, but the airflow from the scoop looks like it'll just pass over the driveshaft and propellers instead of the engine itself.

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>>182563585
>tfw it's actually a bit lower
That actually happened to the sleeptight buddy.

>>182563603
Is he running the RPG? I can't see why he wouldn't post himself. I'll do that, though.

>>182563719
The front one? I copied it as-is from the MiG-3, so I guess it worked in a Soviet way. I'm still trying to figure out what the first letter in what I wrote is, so I can decifer the slogan I copied from that MiG.

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>>182563653
Since we are posting WWII superplanes.

Pretty sure there are WWII tabletops though, just most of them are less RPG and more wargamey or like Crimson Skies.

>tfw now remember that shitty attempt at a Night Witches RPG that wanted you to /u/ hard

>>182563719
The intakes on those kind of engines would really just be funneling air over a radiator and feed some to the engine. I'm pretty sure there is tubing that isn't pictured in the drawing.

>>182563603
Upwards or downwards?

>>182564008
>>182564206
45 degree sweep angle, which I can only assume means swept back, not up or down.
He's managed to get himself down to 6 working fingers across two hands, so he's a bit indisposed

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>>182565376
>He's managed to get himself down to 6 working fingers across two hands, so he's a bit indisposed

Classic Val
What's he into this time?

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>>182565376
And I avoided sweeping it because it looked too modern and both the Ascender and the Shinden had straight canards. Most prop canards I've seen are also straight.
Could you ask him about that?

>>182566646
It's probably not too far out there to have swept canards. But they didn't use wing sweep for speed reasons in WW2 IIRC. More just to move the centre of pressure around.

>>182566646
Last he said he's a bit tired so I wouldn't expect anything coherent out of him until the blood loss is reversed

>>182565929
Sliced a thumb and had some fingers smashed in a door

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>>182567403
>had some fingers smashed in a door
This really shouldn't make me laugh

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>>182564008
>>182567287
>>182567403
Here's the swept canard version.
I think the only WW2 "memes" this design lacks are inverted gull wings, jet engines, rocket engines, night-attack radars and double-fuselages. Which ones did I forget?
But maybe it was designed so it could be retrofitted into the MiG-11S / MiG-13 jet or rocket powered fighter, like the J7W1 or the Shinryu.

>>182568501
I know you were going for realism but the swept canards honestly look better.

>>182568581
They do. And after all, I did go with swept wings to keep as much of the Flanker A E S T H E T I C as possible.

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>>182568501
>WW2 memes
Motorjets

>>182568932
This is beautiful. How come I never heard about this?
Also, turns out there's an actual MiG-13. Cancelled, but there was one. Still no trace of an IRL MiG-11, though.

>>182568932
>>182569104
Actually, the schematic you posted IS a MiG-13. I guess I can't properly recognize WW2 prototypes,

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>>182569104
Because using a piston engine isn't exactly the best way to use jet propulsion. Or well, at least not after people figured out how to use the jet to drive the compressor by itself.

If you just meant the plane, yeah it looks kinda neat. Albeit I know it as the I-250

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Did someone say ww2 prototypes

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>>182570059
You and your fucked plane designs

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Unfortunately, Lichtenstein style radars don't seem to work with single props. It would have worked if I stayed on my original idea of a single pusher prop, but no matter.
Is the "boss" on this night fighter Hellcat a radar? Not that I'd add it to the MiG-11, it wouldn't look good.

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>>182570059
Is it time to post Luft 46 bullshittery again?

>>182570528
Look at the FW-190 R11 for a single engine prop with the german type radar.

And yes IIRC that thing on the wing is the radar.

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Alright guys Im going to do the White Bird pt. II. Which plane should I pick? And for my wingmen?

>>182571187
F4 for you and F5s for the rest

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>>182570059
this abomination actually flew

>>182571258
Unfortunately I'm not that good (yet). I could barely do it with an f-22

>>182571627
Bite the bullet and do it in the F-117, you wuss.

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>>182571342
Don't talk shit about the Goblin, it looks like something out of Talespin or a pulp mag.

>>182571258
>>182571713
Fuck you guys is rather do it in an f-4. I'll tell you how it went.

>>182570528
The thing on the wing is an AN/APS-6 air radar.

>>182571828
<<This loadout may not be effective to air targets.>>
Tough shit nagase. Let's go

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>>182570793
>antenas under and over the wing
It actually looks good.

>>182572960
There is also one that has spikes on the wing roots for antennae.

>>182563653
The FALKEN looks much better in air superiority grey

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What are the red things besides the Spitfire's machine guns? I copied them assuming it was related to the machine gun, but I'd like to check.

>>182573398
I saw that one. It doesn't look as good.

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>>182570793
Did somebody say Luft '46?

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>>182573757
It needs to be decked out in Aggressor, dammit.

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>>182574042
>they even added the ruski dirt

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>>182573757
This is still the sexiest tho

>>182563653
What the fuck is that massive tail in the background

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Just beat ACX on hard!

Great game, but the story wasn't quite as satisfying as I'm used to... probably in part because the VA - aside from the narrator - is ridiculously bad. Many games are said to have bad VA even though they're fine, because a lot of people have no clue about what constitutes as good or bad acting. But ACX is one of the only games I've played where I felt that the acting was actually bad.

The tunnel at the end definitely got me a bit worried. The Fenrir fight had worn me down, and I didn't want to lose!
The Meson Cannon was tough too! Couldn't destroy it all because it would've been suicide. Still got an S though somehow.

I never met this Naiad that everybody memed about. I guess I took a different route through the game. Shame!

Also the soundtrack is absolutely incredible and cool as fuck! Very electronic (though not quite as abstract as AC3's music) with a few hints of orchestra and rock! Very Invincible Fleet-esque, a lot of the tracks. It's got quite a dystopian feel overall.

https://youtu.be/PAjuTkZ_pQQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSaZtqXoSl4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iwu1sky00ZM

At least there's one motivational track though!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3jYeffzDoY

Also one of the scariest tracks in Ace Combat ever, next to Silent from AC04:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5KxEmwOXv5s

>>182573797
I'd assume the red coverings block the original weapons ports inside the wings to prevent someone from rearming it.

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>>182575257
>he didn't take care o' dose birds in da sky

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>>182573953
Just Luft my shit up senpai

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>>182575274
Both ports are also present in period photographs.

>>182575394
>rest of my post got left out
fuccin whut

Anyway, it's an interesting transition from the AC4/5/0 era into the 3 era, and that's cool as shit. Meant to ask, what was your favorite mission? What plane did you fly the most?

>>182575708
Ah right, I'd forgotten about that bit. If I'm reading your question right, you're asking about the red bits on the leading edge of the wing, as well as the circular red thing that's in the mounting that used to hold the 20mm cannon, correct?

>>182573797
>>182575274
>>182575708

To keep dirt/debris/moisture out of the barrels especially water which could freeze and expand as the a/c climbed to high altitude.

Remember, every 1,000ft you climb it gets roughly 2 degrees c colder.

>>182576108
I'm wondering what the entire "bulge" is. It's right besides what is obviously a machine gun, but I can't guess it's purpose.
Period photographs show it as a dark spot, which could very well be a red spot, given how B&W works and that the machine guns on their side don't have covers.

>>182576379
You're referring to the bulge just outboard of the very long obviously a gun thing in the picture you posted, right?

>>182576331
I'm not sure exactly what he's referring to by the "red things next to the machine guns". If he's talking about the little red squares on the leading edge of the wings, those red squares used to denote where on the wing the MG barrel was, but they've had the hole for the actual gun covered over. the only other red things I see are intake covers and some sort of stopper put in the hole that used to hold the Hispano

>>182577232
That's it. I drew it on the MiG-11 besides all four guns with the red cover, in case that helps to get what I mean across.

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>>182575274
No, the red stuff is pretty much just tarp over the gunports. Or metal, depending on what the wing is armed with because the Spitfire's later wings could be fitted with both 1 .50cal or 2 .30cal machineguns next to the cannon. Alternatively 4 20mms.

>>182576379
The small bulge next to the 20mm is where the barrel of the .50cal or another 20mm would sit. It bluges out where as the .30cals don't.

>>182577607
I'm refering to the bulge between 10 and 9, right beside the Hispano gun muzzle.

>>182577551
Going to have to agree with >>182577607, it looks like a mounting for another gun of some sort, probably either another 20mm or a .50 cal

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>>182577827
So am I. That's where those guns would go. Well they'd be the other way around, but that hardly matters.

>>182577914
Seeing as it's in the same space as the Hispano's mechanisms, I doubt another gun would fit.

>>182577534
.303s were flush mounted with the wing and taped over, so thunder is correct about that usage. That aircraft isn't necessarily demilled, you can clearly see the two men leaning on the cannon cowl as well.

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>>182578115

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>>182578115
>same space as the hispano mechanisms
Ample space for another gun.

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Now on to Joint Assault soon.

The Japanese logo is great!
The Western one is a bit shit in comparison. And the subtitle should never be as big as the title! I agree the omission of "X2" though, because it makes it seem as though X and it are connected, when they're anything but! In fact, Skies of Deception shouldn't be called X either I think, because it seems to mean nothing! Or rather, I thought it could be the Southern Cross, but then why would JA have the X too? Maybe it's just a designation for it being a portable game as they often like(d) to do. Which is dumb though.
I do prefer the Tokyo Tower cover over the Golden Gate Bridge one though!
Not that any of it matters since I'm emulating and have never seen the covers IRL, but I find these things fascinating.


The first home-platform AC in the real world! (I think the original arcade games were also in the real world, right?)
But because it's not AH, it's probably great anyway!
I wonder how it came about though. I would like to think it was just an honest experiment, to see how if it would work. But maybe they were trying to push for AC to become more popular in the West, which AH would try even harder to accomplish, though it failed in typical "western-style reboot" fashion. Since AH came only a year later, it's possible that a shift to real world settings was their plan. They even got Inon Zur for the music in JA, but it was the usual cast for AH again.

Now, I think there's nothing wrong at all with having a quality AC game set in the real world. But I do value the long-established lore and world a lot and would like for such real world settings to be kept to one-offs or even a spin-off series. I could definitely get behind that.

I'm very interested to see what JA has to offer story-wise. It could be pretty cool.
Also interested to hear the music, which is by Inon Zur rather than the all-stars at Bamco. He's a great composer, but I wonder how he handled AC, it's not the kind of game he usually scores.

>>182575713
The Su-27! I got the Su-37 but the game was soon over when I started using it. The F-22 was too expensive, and I like to give the Russian planes some love sometimes, beause fuck muh freedums!

You can definitely see the setup for AC3 in the original and incredibly futuristic aircraft like the Apalis and such. I think one even has COFFIN technology? It has a closed cockpit with lights on it anyway.

Favourite mission is a hard one, the game is honestly kind of a blur, but the missions were overall very fun and very objective-based too. The one where you have to protect allies and destroy bridges was interesting and difficult.
But I think the final mission with the battle against the Fenrirs was great, there was definitely pressure there.
But really a lot of the missions were great, especially towards the end. Then there was also the one where it rained, which look great. I don't think I've seen an AC mission with rain in it since the PS1 games. Maybe I don't remember.

>>182579351
>>182578985

are you 12?

>>182579351
Nice taste with the slavshit.
>beause fuck muh freedums!
Laughed harder than I should've.

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>>182578629
>>182578102
I guess I misinterpreted the schematic. I thought both bays were occupied by the Hispano gun
>mfw I gave ten guns to my fighter instead of six
>>182578426
Not the same Mk.

>>182579869
Technically you gave it 10 gunports and 6 guns.

>>182580110
I'm edgeing between editing the gunports so they are uncovered and either leaving them like that or removing a pair from each wing.
If I had proper specs I would decide based on weight, but I can't into specs. I would need technical counseling.

>>182579454
>stop being enthusiastic about the game this thread is about

Literal autism.

>tfw finally bought SWAT 4
>tfw all I'm thinking about is Tank Police
It's something.

>>182580479
Well the issue is that in their current arrangement they don't make a whole lot of sense, it'd be more sensible to group the 20s and 50s together.

Then again it'd also be more sensible to not have them as far out on the wings for a better firing group.

>>182580479
>>182581142
You're both forgetting that the plane is ostensibly russian, so you're probably working with indigenous guns with different dimensions.

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>>182579869
>Not the same Mk.

It was addressing your concern that another Hispano wouldn't fit right next to the first one like that.

But here's a fucking Vc anyway.

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>>182579454
What do you mean? I mean, I can understand where the sentiment comes from, I did feel like I was overdoing it with my essays there, but fuck me if I'm gonna delete all of it!
And I love games - especially great ones like AC - and when they provide me with things to talk and speculate about, I just have to do it.

>>182579505
American planes are great! But I like to go with the underdog sometimes, out of spite, and I wouldn't want the Russian planes to feel neglected. Russian planes are never represented on AC covers, and neither are they or their country very popular IRL, which is somewhat deserved I suppose, but it's not as tough the US are better! So that's where that comes from.

>>182581423
No need to get hostile, I was just pointing out that the model didn't match, maybe I should have made it clearer that all three comments I linked made me notice that I was wrong.

>>182581397
I have absolutely no knowledge on russian WW2 aircraft weaponry, so tbqh I've been playing it by ear. I'm using british guns as an acceptable approximation.
Advice on the matter would be more than welcome, though.

>>182581397
>>182581950
Just put 12.5-20mm ShVAKs everywhere, that's a safe bet for russian armament.

Sometimes a completely oversized gun with no real advantages like a 37mm or 45mm.

In all seriousness, late more common armaments have been either 2x 12.5mms and a 20mm or 2x 20mm or more

>>182581950
Just put 12x7.62mm ShKAS in the wings like it's a Slavshit Hurricane Mk. IIB.

>>182581950
So generally, if you're shooting for a mix of 12.7s and 20s, you'll be slinging ShVAKs or Berezins, probably one per each of your four weapon stations in the wings plus two more mounted to fire through the props. You could probably substitute some NS-23 23mm guns, although that wouldn't make sense unless you go full 23mm for parts commonality, but hey it's an option

>>182582395
>>182582849
>>182582869
After a bit of digging, 20mm guns (Hispano equivalent) were the Berezin B-20 and the ShVAK 20mm version.
For browning replacement there's the Berezin UB or the 12.7mm ShVAK.
Then there's the Nudelman N-37 37mm cannon mounted on the MiG-9, MiG-15 and MiG-17 amongst others, so it would make sense that it would be used on the 11 too (MiG-13 used Berezin B-20s).
What sort of caliber did nose machine guns have, back in the day?

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>>182582849
>Slavshit Hurricane Mk. IIB
It just happens that this is one of the first search results for "Hurricane Mk IIB".

>>182583137
Started at 7.62mm and then went up to 12.5mm as the war went on.
Cannons pretty much stayed around 20mm for fighters, 30mm on some german ones for bomber killing.

>>182583416
>30mm for bomber killing
I can't fathom why russians developped a 37mm canon then.

>>182583137
If you're talking about just any gun that was mounted in the nose, then caliber could range from 7.62 up to 30mm. If you're talking about guns that fired straight down the propeller shaft (motorkanone, to steal the German term), those were usually 20mm or 30mm guns

>>182583570
Well the idea was to put a very heavy cannon on a plane in order to allow it to effectively intercept bombers quickly (slam one or two 37mm HE rounds in and watch it fall) while giving it limited antitank capability with AP rounds. Most major air forces experimented with the idea of a high-caliber cannon on an aircraft at some point, but only the russians held on to that idea into the jet age

So did allied fighters have named squadrons in zero or 6 or is that a new thing for 7?

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>>182583342
That isn't a IIB though, it only has 8 MGs, so it's a IIA.

Still just as cute though

Here's a C.

>>182583570
Tank killing. Pretty sure the IL2 had some pretty good gunpods, and later standard armament involving 37mms. Then those got kinda useless because Panzers got tougher.

They were put on a few fighters IIRC. Which probably has to do with the soviet doctrine dictating that the guns not be fired unless the target fills the front windscreen IIRC. So they just went for as many and as big a cannons as possible, with zero ammo.

The other explanation is that they were just ruskis. But most of their planes are sensibly armed.

>>182584052
Just looked around, and it looks like there were a few thousand Il-2s with 37mms, but their effectiveness was very limited, and their production was discontinued in favor of Il-2s with the VYa-23

>>182584010
There were named allied squadrons in Zero and 6

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>>182583595
>>182583836
>>182584052
>rusky proto-brrrrt
Learning new things every day. I guess the firerate would be closer to pa-pa-pa-pa than brrrrrt, though.
Can anyone identify the 12.7 mm ShVAK? I can't find a picture of it without other guns in it.

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>>182584652
>proto brrrrt
>anything short of 88 PPShs strapped to a Tupolev

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>>182584872
>the baron strikes again

>>182584652
Pretty sure the shvak is the third from the left

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>>182585057
WWI was fun.

>>182584872
>When you have to wipe out that infantry squad

>>182584652
I believe the aircraft gun to be the the shorter one. The leftmost item seems to be a rocket launch rail, and the one next to it has a grip which would indicate it was used either as an AA/vehicle or defensive gun. Far right is completely out of the question, leaving on the 2nd from the right.

>>182581142
How does this configuration look? I haven't detailed the guns because I have a terrible sense of scale.

>>182584872
I'm in awe. If this were to happen in an AC game, people would reee about "muh animu" and "muh realism".
A literal hail of bullets. It's simply amazing.

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>>182585876
>forget the picture
Great. I almost created a stealthdimensional prop Flanker.

>>182585876
>I'm in awe. If this were to happen in an AC game, people would reee about "muh animu" and "muh realism".
>A literal hail of bullets. It's simply amazing.

I mean, it's super retarded (typical of USSR). A more practical solution would have been to simply dump flechettes while overflying the enemy position. Lazy Dogs were used to great effect in vietnam because they could penetrate the triple canopy and hit with the same force as a .50 cal round simply from gravity.

>>182586091
Well that's probably going to wind out at 6 20mm shvaks or 23mms, plus 4 berezins.
Congratulations, you've created a soviet Do-335

>>182585876
>A literal hail of bullets
You mean until they all collectively jam because they are PPShs

Suppose ultimately it was easier and more effective to just stick a gunner or two in a tub and have them pick out targets with an MG.

>>182586091
decent, but I would leave the centerline guns be, they are unnecessary at this point. Four 20s and four 12.5mms are plenty. MGs might not even be necessary tbqh.

In AC4 are Yellow Squadron invincible in the early stages of the game? If so I find it odd how they had points assigned to them even though you can't get them. Unless it's a time wasting tactic.

>>182586520
Pretty sure they are. Unless they just keep living but stop being targets if you manage to hit them.

>>182586520
They're straight up invulnerable in mission 4, but I can't remember if you can shoot 'em down in Comona or not.

>>182586301
>a prop flanker?
>let's replace the jets with a propeller like those foam RC Su-27 models
>would look better with a puller prop too, the MiG-3 looks like a good model
>ass-ender like canards would balance the design
>single f-16 like intake for the rear engine
>same blade number and longer nose, /aceg/ says
>spitfire machine guns look sweet, it's intake too
>what are the red things again?
>10 guns
It really feels like I'm throwing shit at the wall to see if it sticks. Truly a WW2 Russia or Germany esque design process

>>182586475
So I should drop the centerline ones?

>>182586878
You can disable that one Yellow in Comona I think.

>>182586878
Sorry, mission 5.

>>182586984
>So I should drop the centerline ones?
That would be my suggestion. I did that with my design too and it ended up looking better.

>>182586878
>>182586659
Well the ones I did hit eventually fled. Ah well, it just sucks how the points never increased after all that effort.

>>182587143
It does look much cleaner.

>what started out as a meme when discussing outlandish Flanker features has now turned into a full-blown development project that the entire thread is involved with

Simply amazing.

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Ok, is there anything I should change before I fix the colours?

>>182587838
I know next to nothing about prop planes, so I can't give a technical opinion, but from an aesthetic standpoint it looks fantastic.

>>182587970
tbf you know next to nothing about jet planes ;^)

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>>182588717

>>182588801
Is that the mallet to fix the flanker when it suddenly stops working, or the mallet to fix the ground crew when they suddenly stop working?

>>182587838
Make the front exhausts like the rear ones and not as long. So about 5-6 small ones instead of the 3 you have now.

Add an intake where the centerline guns used to be, that way the side intakes can be for the radiators and the top one can feed the engine with air.

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>>182588937

>>182587838
Why is it a fucking MiG if it's a Flanker?

Someone posted a video clip of a Hornet docking up to a tanker, and the copilot crossing out the pilots name on a too kill list. Where is that video from? I cant find the thing on my computer either.

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>not getting (you) notifications
That's plain weird.
>>182587970
Just to make things clear, I'm not the troll insulting you. I probably am less well-read than you about aircraft. I'm an aesthetics kind of guy.
>>182588959
How does this look?
>>182589596
See >>182556160. Sukhoi didn't have a presence during WW2 as a manufacturer, as the founder had only recently left MiG. They lacked the facilities for large scale mass-production, unlike the long-established MiG.

>>182590143
m8 it's just some bantz, it's not actually bothering me

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>>182590143
Pretty good. Now paint it in Crimson Skies soviet colours.

>>182590601
Got a ref? Confession time: I know nothing of Crimson Skies outside of what has been posted on the few previous threads.

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Found it. Okay where is this sucker from? Sauce me.

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>>182590747

>>182590143
Dornier would be proud

>>182591265
probably America.

>>182591567
That's a pushprop, right? Making sure I don't paint it backwards.
>>182591616
I'm going to roll with this while I work on the MiG-11B.

>>182591616
>T A N D E M
>E N G I N E S
Dornier is a good manufacturerfu tbqh

>>182592018
Yeah, the giant CCCP also gives it away.

>>182592260
The canards just look like they have ailerons facing forward instead of backwards. And CCCP wouldn't look mirrored on the other side of the fuselage.

<< Climb! >>

Yo brady

Found out that in ACX if you put the Salamander and Scarface MBS on the XFA-27, you get 4AAMs. This is the most fun I've ever had in an ace combat game.

All this talk of prop planes seems like a good excuse for: https://pastebin.com/FwMP2Ln1

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BIG

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>>182590601
>>182591265
This took me far longer than I expected.
I'll be off to bed soon. Hopefully it looks good.

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Good night /aceg/
Post interesting designs

>>182597923
Aardvark!

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>>182598513
Forgot to cover some of the overlaid lineart. Working with many overlapping layers is a pain, sometimes. Or maybe I'm just sleepy, it's almost 2 AM here.

>>182598943
Looks great Tovarish.

>>182598523
Is that a fucking 262 mixed with the morgan?

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>>182598523
Sleep tight buddy.

>>182598943
Looks slick as shit my dude.

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>>182600902
Glad it turned out well. Good night, fellow Flanker connaisseur.

>>182596136
>just tried it
I just wish it had extra range.

>>182596136
Man I forgot how much fun tinkering with the tuning in X is, I need to play it again.

Why is the abomination that is X2 allowed to exist?

4000 words later and I don't like the second chapter.

>>182604361
Post the first chapter fag

>>182605447
He already did. >>182288772

>>182604361
>>182605792
>6
Ty.

>PS2 fixed

Alright

Time to finally beat Zero.

>all these namefags

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>>182607460
Good luck m80. Here, have an X-32.

>>182604361
Don't worry buddy. 2500 words in and I didn't like the first chapter.

>>182607460
*twang twang*

Post mission and plane and loadout

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Pull up!

>>182607680
If the YF-23 gets to be in AC games when will the X-32?

>>182612240
Back in 3

>>182607606
What's it to ya?

>>182600902
God damn that Firefox looks baller as shit. 80s future plane design is fucking great, my favorite (fictional) helicopter is Blue Thunder.

Mobius, evade!

>>182617357
<< Huh! Who was it that hit me?! >>

>>182617357
<< Old Towne at vector 280, on the nose. >>

>emulating ac2
>hangar theme comes on
>that fucking 7/8 time groove for like two or three bars

Holy shit this is the sickest thing ever.

https://youtu.be/PM1s-TVAObU

>>182619517
AC2 will always have a catchy as fuck OST.

>10

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>>182621564
Most buddies sleep at around this time.

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>>182619517
>first OST of AC7 is a hanger theme
>it's fucking slick
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hT3oSctZbcU

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>>182624381

>>182624381
its SHIT ;)

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>tfw the best ace squadron in the series
How can Belka even compete?

>>182627747
>implying 13 isn't a Belkan

>>182627786
>Belka taking credit for other nations' accomplishments
Go back to nuking yourself, Dmitri. That seems to be the only thing that Belka is good for.

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>>182627747
>>182628398

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>>182628398
>he thinks 13 is Erusean

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<<Rise>>

I woke up feeling like drawing another version of a real aircraft with some major feature changed.
Any suggestions?
I'd rather not draw the jet version of the MiG-11B just yet, given that it would be the jet version of a prop version of a jet aircraft. It'd be pretty meta.

>>182634805
>forget to remove nametag
It thought you had to reenter it for each post.

>>182634882
nyet, in less of an ip change, the name stays

>>182635224
I guess that's the sort of things you normally won't learn by lurking.

>>182634805
Any jet. Biplane.

>>182635693
Any particular one? Jets are dime a dozen.

>>182635693
>>182635751
I'm thinking about the YF-23 for maximal absurdity, would that work for you or would you prefer another jet?

>>182634805
Nighthawk but it's a one of those twin-boom planes. Prop or early jet, whichever works best.

>>182636579
That sounds like a good idea.

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>>182636579
Something along the lines of this?

>>182557791
An abomination.

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>>182637647
More like a P-38 or a Vampire, they're more of a similar size to a Nighthawk.

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>>182635693
>>182637939
Here you go lads! The YF-23 as a biplane and a twin-boom, propeller driven F-117.
The F-117 ended up taking a lot of space. I had suggested the P-61 because it was a night fighter, but I went with the P-38. Night was a stealthdimensional phenomena back in the day.
Just kidding, I wanted to check if you liked the silhouette before I moved on to drawing it. I decided to keep the stealthdimensional geometries and put push props reminescent of the XB-35. What do you think about it?

>>182637939
Vampire a cute.

>>182640221
Neat. Would've reversed the wings on the biplane though, then again I also kinda like the weirdness of it.

>>182640423
The rhomboidal biplane designs I've seen always had that configuration, so it just felt like the natural way to go about it.

>>182640221
I feel like the front of the F-117's booms shouldn't go forward of the wings, have them end in a point at the front of the wing. Keeps the sharp look of the Nighthawk. Or maybe model them more like the intakes of the engines than the cockpit again.

>>182624381
I could listen to this all day

>>182640720
I'll go with stopping them at the edge of the wing. The intakes are blended into the fuselage in the real F-117, so the difference would be quite low.

>>182624381
>tfw still no release of the tracks that play during the mission
That first track sounds so fucking comfy.

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mornin lads, made any more planes yet?

>>182643926
Here >>182640221.
The F-117's angles are giving me a headache atm, though, so it'll take a while longer.

>>182644030
The secret stealth angles and ratios were never meant to be understood by mere men.