/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Endless, Civilization and 4X Games General

I think we got knocked off the board from page 5 somehow.

>>182282193
sorry that's you're a slow fuck, anon, but the board was raided by a vp furry

>>182282193
A retarded spammer used a bot.

>>182282193
Most of the board was bumped off.

>>182282275
>>182282298
>>182282332
Very nice.

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>stuck in a shitty position on my continent
>figure I can settle on a comfy island AND do a competitive quest
>mfw
I've made some mistakes.

>>182282458
Those roving armies probably aren't aggressive.

>>182282548
I think most quest armies usually ignore you, but I can't really settle there with 7 fucking stacks running around.

>>182282757
Morgawr quest sends enemies that beeline for a city in my experience

>>182284692
I thought they beelined Morgawr cities like how angry quest armies will only target their spawners cities.

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>thread died
The fuck happened?

>>182285072
Literally scroll up 5 posts.

>>182285140
What does a shitty Endless Legend position have to do with all my favourite threads disappearing?

>>182285442
Look at the first few posts of the thread you clueless spiderfag

>>182285442
Scroll up so that you have moved 5 posts off the screen retard.

For Age of Wonders 3, are there any mods that makes the game more realistic by doings things such as forbidding animal units from activativating events?

Also, I'm new to 4X games, is AoW the only one of its kind? A 4X with a lot of roleplaying(gameplay and immersion-wise)?

>>182285530
I don't know what vp is.
But I know they're faggots.

>>182285714
Endless Legend and Fallen Enchantress are similar RPG/4x hybrids.

>>182286195
Is there not a non-fantasy game such as this? mite b cool

>>182286918
Maybe Beyond Earth, but I heard awful things about it.

>>182286918
Endless Space 2 might qualify.

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Is this where I ask about Rimworld? I'm gonna ask about Rimworld.

For the "Rim of madness" mods, do you know if they work fine with the Psychology mod? And in addition, if you want to play cannibal fish-rapist space cultists, do you run the Lovecraft storyteller or od you just run cults and cosmic horrors? I kinda got the feeling that the Lovecraft storyteller would just throw monsters and shit at you which I didn't particularly want if I was going to be the antagonist and attack and fuck with all the friendly factions on the planet.

>>182289712
>I'm gonna ask about Rimworld.
Yay, my time to shine and boast about all the knowledge I accumulated!

>For the "Rim of madness" mods
(ノಠ益ಠ)ノ彡┻━┻

>>182290037
Why are you angry friend? Are the mods shit? I genuinely have no idea, it's just that I've played through a few vanilla Rimworld games and I thought Rimjobworld/Rim of Madness/Psychology for monster sex dungeons and going hostile against everyone would be kinda cool instead of just farming and trading all day every day.

>>182290406
It's just that I only played vanille Rimworld.
I can't help with the mods, so all I can do is stare and hope you won't think that Rimworld is frowned upon or anything.

>>182290692
No worries. I'm not that big on mods in general either, just kinda felt like a change of pace.

>>182290875
The only mods I used so far are the windows mods (because glasshouses exists in real world), and the medieval mod (because I don't like firearms, they break my suspension of disbelief).

And of course Moody and the Careful Preparation mod, but these are mandatory. Last vanilla game I played, I got 5 pacifists out of 6.
The wolves were not hungry that winter.

Any of the DLC civs for 6 actually worth buying?

>>182291078
Yeah, the lack of windows in the base game makes no goddamn sense. Some things that make no sense in the game I can roll with, like a single pistol taking as much space in a storeroom as a LMG, but I don't understand the lack of windows.

And god damn, 5 pacifists out of 6? That's rough.

When are we getting more Civ VI DLC?

>>182291640
But the windows are not as overpowered as I thought. They're just a meager replacement for sun lamps.

You still can't have a glasshouse like in ARK, sadly.

>>182289712
Rimworld is that faggy prison architect ripoff where there's no vertical building, right?
Yeah nah fuck off from here with that shit

>>182291703
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTRmkH9kD6w
even the hack youtubers are giving up on 6

>>182292767
It's dwarf fortress ripoff with no dwarfs.

[ends eternally]

Civ VI Japan is really fun to play.

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Please do not bully the Riftborn.

>>182298015
tell them to stop forward settling on me like cunts then

>>182298293
>riftborn forward-settles you
>"GET YOUR SHIPS OUT OF MY TERRITORY REEEEEEEEE"
every time

>>182298015
Then stop downloading your consciousness in bodies made for bullying.

Is there a place where I can get the Endless Legend DLC for cheap/free? I bought the Emperor version of the game during the steam sale because I thought it came with the DLCs but I'm fucking stupid and can't read and didn't get jack shit.

>>182299398
>Is there a place where I can get the Endless Legend DLC for cheap/free?
Pirate Bay

>>182300118
I don't know how to do that anon. Anywhere else or should I just buy them in shame?

>>182300613
It's not hard anon: Download a torrent client, Rtorrent is fine, install, go to pirate bay, and download the torrent at the top

>>182300118
Isn't Pirate Bay a honey-pot, now?

What ever happened to KAT?

>>182303614
>Isn't Pirate Bay a honey-pot, now?
No more than usual. It's unlikely your going to get more than a letter from you ISP for downloading games

>What ever happened to KAT?
Owner got busted, Server seized IIRC

>be too poor to buy games
>be too stupid to pirate games
>be too paranoid to pirate games even with explicit instructions

Keep Yourself Safe, anon.

>>182306281
I'm not him, but I tried to pirate in 4 separate occasions and every single time I got a bitcoin miner virus that was wearing down my GPU.

>Ohhhh just be careful, look at the comments or whatever
Motherfucker they were VIP uploads and everyone in the comments were saying it's safe.

Piracy is bad mmkay? You can never get the latest version of whatever it is you want to play.

I feel like Stellaris stops being fun once the early game ends and I've stopped heavily exploring/expanding.

>>182282072

I just saw this image for the first time in Endless Space 2 the other day. It was really neat in a worldbuilding sort of way.

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>>182307113
It is but I don't have a choice for the next few years.

>>182309160
>mfw a muskratnigger is being a muskratnigger near me

>>182309160
I've never seen that before. Is it a mod?

>>182309959
No way, the art is too good.

>>182292767
I think Prison Architect ripped off Rimworld actually.
...but they both ripped off Dorf Fortress so whatever

>>182309959
>>182310264
It is a mod anons, but I don't know it

>>182310386
It's not a mod, it really is in vanilla.
Not even Utopia.
It's the popup for when unrest causes planets to shift xenophilic.

So it says here ES2 is rated E 10+, citing fantasy violence and mild suggestive themes. But where are the mild suggestive themes? Does this refer to Horatio?

>>182310379
Got bad news for you about Tropico, then.

>>182311451
What's up with Tropico?

Haven't played Stellaris in a while and starting it up again.
What's the best X slot weapon nowadays? Tachyon Lance? Or something weird like Focused Arc Emitter?

>>182315125
Kinetic is the best for X.

>>182316468
Is there even any kinetic X slot weapon?

>>182316892
megacannon or whatever

>send explorer ship into the vast unknown
>UNIQUE PLANET DISCOVERED
>Teonha, home of the Bhagaba
>it isn't colonized, entire system is empty
th-thanks

>>182317565
Doesn't the Bhaghaba robot sphere look like one of the Sowers or Automatons heroes?

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>start as Horatio
>travel 2 systems from capital
>Riftborn

>>182315125
X is bad.
Better to run the hull with 2 kinetic batteries than 1 giga cannon

>>182319441
this is why those Apple Store looking faggots need to be permabullied in every game session of es 2

>>182319956
You're the first person I've ever seen that says X slot weapons are bad.

>>182321091
It's not that they're bad, it's that they're inefficient.

>>182319441
That's good though. Rush them early and assimilate them

so, question about stellaris. if i start a game, play for a bit then buy the utopia and leviathan dlcs, would i have to start a new game for them work?

>research upgraded battleship as riftborn
>hope for some more fucking support slots
>nope, it's even more guns

>>182323083
That is their ship gimmick, extreme specialization.

So i got GalCiv III from Humble Monthly.
Is it worth it without the shitbucket of DLCs?
Should I bother at all?

>>182321573
>buying anything from paradox
just pirate the game and dlc so you don't have to ask this question

>>182319441
You realize that Riftborn are top tier splicing materials, right?

>>182321573
The answer is yes

>>182323585
the only dlc i plan on buying right are utopia and leviathan, the others i'll wait on. its not like its CK2 with $100+ of miscellaneous shit

>>182324819
welp, time to abandon this game...

>>182324923
>its not like its CK2 with $100+ of miscellaneous shit
Yet

bump ded general.

>>182323492

Autistic boredom, even with the DLCs

I have a question: is corvette spamming still broken or is it fixed now?

>>182329403
Still broken.

>>182310530
>>182309959
Have between 50 and 79 unrest, one of unrest events is about changing the planet's ethics towards xenophile, xenophobe, pacifist, militarist, towards government ethics, or away from government ethics.

>Celestial Empire
>Build up a respectable blob through early game territorial grabbing, infiltrating primitives and vassalising and then intergrating neighbors who got their shit pushed in by other neighbors
>Never been at war
>The Federation everyone joined in response to the war in heaven (Not the league) decided I was a more important target than the Awakened Empires
>Despite having the most powerful navy after the awakened empires I get destroyed because half the galaxy ganged up on me

Fuck pacifist runs.

Did Stellaris fix empires not giving a shit about end game crisis, even when they're affecting allies/federation members?

>Xenophobe fallen empire right next to me awakens
>stomp them quickly because their right next to me and I was already eyeing off their plannets
>shortly afterwards the Xenophile Fallen empire awakens as a responce to the Xenophobes awakening
I just cucked myself out of a War in Heaven event didn't I
I swear at this Rate I will never get to see it
Same with the Crisis's 9 times out of 10 they spawn right next to me and I kill them before they even get a foothold

How do I get into turn-based games?

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>choose white ruler
>hier is black

>>182334985
play Heroes of Might and Magic 3

> get vasselised by Advance Start neighbour in 2213
> 2240, materialist FE DoW's them for building colonies too close
> "Ha ha, time for FREEDOM"
> can't DoW my master while we're both fighting the FE
> "whatever, I'll do it the day after the peace treaty once his fleet's been stackwiped"
> overlord's fleet can't catch FE fleet so never gets blammed
> peaces out after 8 years of war with his fleet still totally intact and only losing 2 outpost colonies

Fuck

To add insult to injury, during the truce my overlord rebuilt the colonies and the FE didn't do shit.

>>182334412
I, also, went ages withoit seeing a war in heaven.
But don't get your hopes up for epic superpower clash when you do trigger it; it's riddled with bugs and most of the time the blocs don't form because if you're already at war (and every regular AI usually is) the appropriate diplo options don't open up at the right time.

>>182335275
ok

Can anyone explain what the tunneled slipgates anomaly in ES2 does?

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>>182335275
Maybe the King Consort is black.

>>182324923
>its not like its CK2 with $100+ of miscellaneous shit
Give it a couple of years.

>>182308848
That's because the only fun part of Stellaris is the very early-game and you'll have to buy $500 worth of DLC to make the other parts of the game fun.

>>182335275
PARADOX YES

>>182334412
>I just cucked myself out of a War in Heaven event didn't I
That's a good thing - the War in Heaven is completely fucking broken (and you'll probably have to pay $20 for a DLC to fix the damn thing)

If your Empire is Imperial that makes sector Governers Arch Dukes/Duchesses, right?

>>182337559
You could call them Shitlords for all it really matters,

>>182338004
I know I can make them whatever the fuck but I mean in relation to how it would translate to a real Empire in terms of territory and heirarchy it makes them the equivalent of arch dukes, yeah?

>>182337559
Not necessarily, they can just be Governors, with or without any title, or an array of titles.

Look at the British Empire - mostly governors were gentry but not always, and certainly not to a Ducal degree.

>>182338139
Not necessarily, it could also be King, Duke, Count, etc

>>182338279
>>182338449
Fair enough. Thank you.

>>182338541
I think it would be the most immersing if you vary the titles depending on the size and/or the importance of the sector

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>>182338898
>I think it would be the most immersing if you vary the titles depending on the size and/or the importance of the sector
I'd change them with respect to civics.
If you're running an imperial fanatic spiritual empire they'd be Cardinals or something

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>take over the galaxy
>start genociding everyone
>riots everywhere
>have to keep plugging the rebel factions because I didn't stock up on armies before-hand

How do I make putting down other species easier? Why can't I use chemical bliss on the undesirables?
What's the point of chemical bliss in the first place?

>>182339489
>Why can't I use chemical bliss on the undesirables?
This, right here, already makes you a better game designer than Paradox.

>>182339102
Where's your food?

>>182340120
Probably playing an older version.

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>>182340120
As >>182340194 suggests, my food is located 7 months in the past

> tfw look back to 1.1 screenshots and remember when influence used to grow on trees

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>>182341373
>1.1
>get tachyon lances from early game religious cult quest
>rape everything around me for 200 years

>>182340115
Chemical bliss purge option
Basically mass execution via lethal injection while "blissed"
Comes with a hefty maintenance fee but causes no unrest and is a midway point between good ol' death squads and labour camps in terms of purge speed.
Coming soon in late 2018

I've always went with auto-best ships in Stellaris
How much do I benefit from making the ship designs myself?

>>182343620
A fuckton

>>182343620
A shit-ton

>>182343668
How do I get into ship parts?
I don't have any idea what any of the ship parts do which has also made my research probably inefficient since I'm researching random shit.

>>182343931
If you do not mind waiting maybe three or so hours for me to get home I can sperg about ship modules and various game mechanics.
Anything else you want to know about?

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>>182342538
You can still do that now. Or at least, i did in 1.6.1

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>>182292767

Yeah, no.

The gameplay isn't anywhere near the same. The closest they came to ripping off is having a similar art style, which the Rimworld dev asked the PA devs about that and got a thumbs up because they're not so rampantly autistic as you that they think a certain simplistic style of drawing a man = everything else about their game is property.

Rimworld is kinda like Dwarf Fortress except the individual pawns matter a little bit more, and you can also choose to directly control them for moments like combat.

Its a lot of fun. There's something to be said for a game that lets you run a drug farm or steal organs from others to sell on the black market and use the proceeds to go full 'We Can Rebuild Him' on a favoured pawn.

In my last game I had a guy who was a really good doctor but himself had a terrible illness counting down that would kill him in days. I kept him in a cryosleep capsule i'd found and only woke him when i needed his skills.

You can also do things like capture your enemies, cut off their legs/put out their eyes and release them with peg legs. Keep doing it and eventually when enemy tribes attack you itll look like you're being attacked by a bunch of vietnam vets who got fucked on the medical insurance. And theyre about as effective in fighting you.

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>>182343931
>How do I get into ship parts?

It requires next-level autism.

Basically it's literally impossible to determine what ship parts are good because the factors that *actually* decide a Stellaris battle - synergic targeting orders, hitscanning, turning speed, the matchup between fire rate and shield regen, usual enemy builds and counters - are intricate components of the black-box battle AI, and not something that it's possible to see any numbers for in the ship designer.

Basically the only way to find out which is best is to scientific-method it using console commands to generate enemy fleets of the exact corresponding size and have them deathmatch each other on no items final destination.

To save you the trouble, the 2 good builds are:
1) massively-over-fleetcap lowest-tech-level corvette zerg swarms
2) cruisers with plasma weapons, kinetic batteries, and shield capacitors

>>182344403
They were L slot, so you could use them on everything from corvettes on.

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HAK HAK HAK

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> vassals can't colonise outside their borders
> but vassals can build frontier outposts
> so just drop an outpost on the star before you land the colony ship and it's like the restriction doesn't apply
I don't know whether this is an exploit or not.
(When you can't tell whether it's a feature or a bug, it's a clue that your game designer is a drunk, incompetent Swede)

>>182345178
>vassals can't colonize outside their borders
>frontier outposts extend your borders

I don't see the issue

>>182345471
The ease of the solution renders the penalty nigh-irrelevant, which makes you wonder why they bothered putting it in at all.

DUDE

>>182345701
PRAISE THE VIRTUAL ENDLESS

>>182345701
DUST

https://mobile.twitter.com/lysannschlegel/status/884695738755756032

>>182346132
What's that supposed to be

>>182346586
We'll be able to customise the 2nd species when we take that civic that adds a 2nd species to your homeworld.
Also there's a new civic shown. No idea what it is though.

>>182346691
So they're adding something a mod already does

amazing work by paradox as usual

>>182346691
Corvee System: feudal unpaid labor.

I'm guessing it's for the cast system, an alternative to having them designated as slaves.

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>Awakened Empire one the other side of the galaxy wants to conquer me
>Neighbours hate me because I purged some filthy xenos
>factions are getting pissed

Wat do

>>182347216
Still neat to have it properly in the base game.
Not like it's the only thing they are doing with 1.8 either.

>>182339489
Ah, that's about the only I time I felt good about Stellaris. See, there's an option to modify the species that makes them indifferent to happiness. At first I thought what the fuck why would anyone do that to their species. But then I realized that it's basically nerve stapling - you conquer a bunch of planets, prep the ovens, modify the species, and while the pops await their turn on the holocoaster they exist in sweet lobotomized bliss never even dreaming of rioting. I'm not sure if that's the intended mechanic for that trait (wouldn't surprise me if it isn't), but I liked very much how it worked out.

>>182347216
Modders have a short lifespan, and major paradox patches break mods routinely, so you should be happy it's being incorporated into vanilla instead of having to repudiate the mod every nth months.

>>182347873
Nerve stapling is obviously intended for slavers, with associated the food and mineral bonuses.

>>182347873
>tfw +500 years in and still can't genetically modify species

I feel as if I am too Aggressive to play games like Stellaris, or hell pretty much any Paradox game in general
Like no matter what I try, I end u planning my next 5 wars in advance with War being my primary means of expanding and conquering half the galaxy because of it

>>182347548
Prove worthy of your name and grind them to a stand still then start your offensive and purge those fuckers for messing with humanity

>>182351405
Playing aggressive is the only way to win in Stellaris.

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>negative cost reduction
Jesus christ, Amplitude. Are they doing it on purpose?

>>182351405
>Stellaris
>too agressive

>>182351405
Thats literally the only way to have fun in the newer paradox games lad

>>182347548
The answer is always to purge the xenos.

>Inwards Perfection
What a useless civic
Pacifism paired with xenophobia is just asking to get your shit pushed in.

>>182352515
>>182352140
yeah, but there is practically no difference between my fanatical purifier/other runs
only difference is whether I purge/enslave/grant full citizenship to everyone who ever shares a border with me when I inevitably conquer them the moment I can

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>>182352119
ES2's alliances
>peace veto (blue button)
>war veto (orange button)
Guess which one means you don't want your allies to declare war on someone and which one means you don't want them making truce.

>>182353229
Well since i know what a veto means its pretty fucking clear

>>182353843
In ES2 "peace veto" doesn't mean you veto peace proposals, it means you veto war declarations.

>>182352119
>+3 per pop on planets per planet with strategic resource deposit on systems

>>182336272
It's basically a natural anomaly whose probable existence is less than zero.

>>182354641
fucking france

>>182354518
Jesus Christ

>>182354838
What FIDSI penalty is it referring to? Can i deplete planets with no drawback?

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>>182354518
Its a french thing.

>>182355323
>tfw to complex too peace veto

>>182308848

You dont stop expanding in mid game, anon. Thats when you war the AI for lebensraum and blame it on the Riggans.

>>182356096

>smash doomstacks
>you win
>now you have to manually bombard down and invade every planet one by one while single enemy corvettes are milling around in your territory
>repeat this every 10 minutes till you blobbed enough
>none of the planets you conquer are unique or interesting, just queue up a bunch of buildings and kick it off to a sector

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>>182351405
I have the opposite problem. I find myself planning and getting ready for a war, but I get stuck in the getting ready phase without actually doing anything, always waiting for "one more unit/upgrade/tech/building" in every fucking game.

Has anyone tried playing Civilization 2 and 3 using WINE?
I haven't played Civ for a long time but I'm missing it and I lost my job today so I have some time now. I don't really mind what version as long as it's not that Freeciv shit.

>>182357219
I always forget to recruit enough armies for long wars. All I usually have is 11 armies, which means I can capture only 1 planet and have to wait until I get more. And so blitzkrieg tier war turns into meat grinder.

>>182357219
>I find myself planning and getting ready for a war, but I get stuck in the getting ready phase without actually doing anything, always waiting for "one more unit/upgrade/tech/building" in every fucking game.
AoW3 campaign fucked me over because I did this. Taking one city then waiting for reinforcements to build before moving onto the next, but tip top around too long and the opponent starts producing stacks of those god damn Shadow Stalkers. I think the enemy in pretty much every level starts with many more cities than you do so taking too long to do stuff eventually has them produce unbeatable armies if you don't start stealing from them.

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>>182356369
>none of the planets you conquer are unique or interesting, just queue up a bunch of buildings and kick it off to a sector
I agree with your diagnosis of the problem.
But how is it solved?

>>182358625
I use Guilli's Planet Modifiers and Reworked Planetary Diversity to TRY and spice up planets a little, though they are practically all identical when it comes to empire buildings.

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>>182348374
What the fuck anon, how?

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>>182358625
Solve the problem of "zzzzz war capture every planet" by centralising loads of things on the sector capital. You only have to capture the sector capital planet and the rest of the sector surrenders.

Solve the problem of "zzzz all planets are the same" by incorporating "CUHRAZEE Planet Modifiers" a'la >>182358865 into vanilla. And massively enhancing strategic resources so you actually require them to build certain modules. Kinda like strat resources originally were in v1.1, but... more. When a strategic planet falls, I want your fleet to stop working and your economy to collapse, overnight.

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>>182359490
> you will never build A E S T H E T I C static defenses ever again
THANKS WIZ

Stellaris: How much fleet power should I have before tackling something with "skull" fleet power?
There's a spectre roaming around just on the outside of my borders.

>>182360265
You can ask the Curator enclaves how your current total military power would fare against them.

>>182355196
I think it refers to the penalty from negative anomalies.

>>182360385
t. curator

>>182360652
They do it for free, though.

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>>182360265
When you get to 35k you might just about be able to take them.
But you shouldn't do it, the value of the ships you'd lose is greater than the value of the loot they'd give you.
When you get to about 80k you can take them with negligible casualties, so wait until then.
Tactically, see if you can jump right on top of them with a well-angled warp jump. Most leviathans have high range and can do substantial damage before you even get to engagement range if you try to impulse drive into battle.

Since when did Military Academy buildings give 2 society and engineering research?
I don't remember that the last time I played stellaris.

>>182344295
Not that guy, but please do, if you're still around. I would much appreciate some wisdom on that subject. I mean, I saw the pastebin already, and thats all well and good, but its not really geared to the recent versions, is it?

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>forgotten are my neighbors
>every single one of my cities is getting fucked by spies every turn

>>182362131
heh, nothin personnel, duster

>>182361517
A bunch of building outputs changed in 1.6, so now every building gives you at least something.
clone vats 4 society, mil academies soc and eng, slave complexes food and minerals, frontier hospital gives soc, and the colony capital now gives energy and unity instead of food and minerals.

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>>182309160
>tfw this pops up all the time after conquering an empire and startING up the genocide
>perceived unfair
>perceived
>unfair
>genocide

I always just imagine one of those muskrat niggers coming up to android warbot drone #145E63AE9 and asking in meek tone to respect his civil liberties before getting promptly greased.

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So which option do I choose? Burn the moving forest or study it?
Keep in mind I'm a hive mind.

>>182362513
Oh interesting.

>>182362489
It's not fucking fair
I am playing vaulters though so I guess it fits

>>182362758
I study, then build 4 labs to surround the moving forest preserve for a huge amount of science.

>>182346691
>We'll be able to customise the 2nd species when we take that civic that adds a 2nd species to your homeworld.

I really wish Paradox would fix the broken core features of their game before they spend time pandering to niche RP players of a niche playstyle who send all day bitching that the inability to select the precise colour of their sex slaves means the game is Ruined Forever.

That they have their priorities in this order makes me feel like both the recipient, and supplier of, a great deal of contempt.

>>182362986
I think they took out adjacency-bonus tile-blockers in 1.6. Because the sector AI was too dumb to understand them.

>>182313013
Yea, what is up with Tropico?

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Is it just me, or does civ 6 kinda suck? The map art is a huge turn off, and the giant "RESOURCES HERE" symbols just look like shit.

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So does this mean that it adds 5% consumption per faction spliced, or does it actually mean what it says by "per Spliced Population"?

For example, the first population I can splice is the Z'vali which I start with, which requires 2 Z'vali pops. Would that add 5% consumption from splicing the Z'vali, or would it add 10% consumption from the 2 pops required?

>>182365904
I dropped CIV 6 solely because of the map art.

>>182366170
I played 3 hours then went back to 5 tbqh.

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*Lands on your planet*

>>182366031
I'm pretty sure its per/faction spliced. so having 2 spliced populations will mean Horatio's will consume 10% more food.

>switch out my kinetic batteries for plasma cannons
>fleet power drops
I thought plasma cannons were the tight shit?

>>182367315
Their dps may be lower, but they don't give a shit about armour.

>>182367314
Thanks. I really wish the game would be clearer with some things, but I guess some confusion is to be expected from a non-English speaking dev.

>>182367315
Who gives a fuck about fleet power? Judge them by their performance, not by some arbitrary number the game applies.

>>182360265
20k-30k. You can optimize your fleet for the fight by reading about the thing you're going to fight. Generally speaking, cruisers and battleships are going to have a bad time, but corvettes and destroyers will be better off.

Like, the Dimensional Horror will one or two-shot cruisers and battleships, but if it only has destroyers and corvettes to shoot at, it will take out a lot less of your strength in one shot.

>>182367248
Saathid is the best arthropoid name

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I want control of that black hole and its Dark Matter but this mother fucker has defensive pacts with half the fucking galaxy.

>>182366268

>went back to 5 not 4

>>182358625

The simplest explanation: add more fucking content to it. Like everything in Stellaris, the basic concept is good, its oozing of potential but its simple as a stick and boring as fuck.

The entire planet management system should be scrapped and reworked from the ground up. Just look at how interesting it is to build cities in Civ4. Every placement is a tradeoff, especially in the early game, constant strategic choices, it affects your entire game pattern and how you develop them, how you micro your workers, your build orders hugely impact the game. You even get to use slavers to mess around with food production, food boxes and reshuffle tiles around to maximize production. Later on you specialize cities on a case by case basis. Every game feels different based on what terrain you got, what neighbors you have and what build plan you have in mind.Even what you managed to capture is impactful, you often have to redevelop conquests to be optimal.Its also really fun to see your level 1 shitheaps stinking because you plopped it in the jungle grow into a gigantic metropolis surrounded by towns, mines and farms.

In stellaris you click +1 on building levels. Why its so hard to include something to DO with planets? Every planet should be its own thing, a dozen plus modifiers based of its climate, atmosphere, geology, chemistry, local life, precursor ruins etc. Even local culture and specialization should be a thing, losing an important trading hub or a mining center filled withfactories and surrounded by orbital shipyards should be a crippling blow. Building up something like a "Coruscant" or a "Kuat" should take centuries of ingame time, you WOULD want to scramble your entire navy and arm every citizen to hold those.

Vaulters a shit.

dead

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>space pirates in charge of not being retarded

>>182376207
"Science team has vapor for brains."

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>>182352119
>>182353229
>>182354518
>>182355323
It's a Parisian thing. More specifically the 40 Immortals of pic related. Yes, their official title is The Immortals.

>>182376207
What am i looking at here?

>>182376657
>0% short range efficiency
>Turtle
The AI is using a short range tactic when their ships literally cannot fire at short range.

>>182376858
wew

>>182376858
Still better than Stellaris AI.

>>182378185
At least the Stellaris AI doesn't cheat.

I dont know what to play guys

>>182378764
Put yourself in a coma for a few years so ES2 is finished

>>182378348
At least ES2 has personality.

>>182378764
Nothing, playing games is loss of time.

This thread is as dead as Auriga

>>182379291
That's about all it has.

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Don't fucking die you piece of shit.

>>182342549
For $20

>>182343931
disregard ship parts, spam naked corvettes

>>182384487
That is the most boring strategy in any game ever.
Its so annoying that its the best strategy. I hope paradox fixes this.

>>182384960
Wiz has a post somewhere that they are fixing them. Something about increasing base cost and reducing component cost.

>>182384960
What they need to fix is the fact that spaceports have 1500 military power and it takes decades for a fanatic militarist to get that much in corvette spam or anything else.

>>182351405
Play Victoria 2 then.

>>182385308
Something wrong with your ability to build mining stations?
Fanatic Militarists somehow can't build things that produce minerals?

>>182383103
Yet it's still better than Stellaris.

>>182385308
>let's make it much harder to declare war on people in a game that stops being fun after about twenty in-game years
Sasuga Paradox

>>182387543
How is declaring war on people hard in stellaris?
Hell its easier than CK2 or EU4. At least in Stellaris you don't need cassis bellis.

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>assimilate Gnashast
gg no re fags

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>>182390032

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Whoa, so this is the power of snorting Dust...

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>>182391301
>steal Academy from Riftborn
>blitz an Ark there
>park my starting hero
50 turns later.

>>182386645
At 90 minerals each, a 2-mineral station takes 45 months to pay off, at which point it's still only bringing in 2 minerals per month. You run out of star systems before you can afford to wage a war of attrition built on mining stations.

>>182286918
not really, but endless space 2 might qualify in the vaguest sense

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>>182391493
>Academy system is Deki in absolute centre of the galaxy
>Vodyanoi hero has insanse influence bonus
>influence bubble of the Academy dominates the galaxy
I don't how it will be possible to top this in any other session. And it's even my first time playing Vodyanoi.

>>182391657
Not all mining stations are 2 minerals. You also have mineral buildings on worlds, and various ways to increase mineral yields.
Its really not hard to build up fleets of naked corvettes. That's why its such a lame cheesy strat.

>>182391825
By naked, do you mean without shields and armor?

>>182391909
The basic corvette design

>>182391909
As in the corvette design that's in there when you start the game.

>>182391825
By corvette, do you mean second tier of ships?

>>182391825
By lame, do you mean like the entire game?

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Are there any dope WW1 mods for Civ V? All I'm really finding is WW2 and napoleonic stuff.

>>182391493
Vodyani are so fucking broken it's not even funny.

>>182392462
By corvette, i mean the ship class corvette.

>>182392794
If you want to play in WW1 I would suggest you get a wargame and not civ

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>playing Horatio for the first time

>>182371360

It's somewhere between sad and insulting that 90% of the micro in this game is taken up shitting buildings out because Paradox couldn't even make it as simple as a grid of icons you could drag and drop onto tiles. No, I have to spend 5 minutes repeatedly selecting buildings from a fucking scroll bar (that resets to the top each time) just to fill a planet up with mines if I don't want to lose a chunk of the planet's output to a sector.
People complain about fleets, and playing cops and robbers with the 2k power fleets is annoying, but I feel you spend far too much time in this game slowly plopping the same four buildings on tiles.

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>tfw nobody plays favorite 4x/rts hybrid
/v/ won't even shitpost about this game, let alone have a discussion. :^(

>>182395750
We had the dev posting on /vg/.

>>182395874
Must've been a while ago, is that why everyone seems to ignore the game or something?

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>>182395750
B-b-but I'm currently playing this one right now :(

>>182396208
B-b-b-but SoaSE-kun Star Ruler 2 is like if that game was set of a way larger scale!

>>182396024
>is that why everyone seems to ignore the game or something?
No. Dude was cool. Didn't even shill it. Apparently, is sold so bad and he was so disappointed with the reeception it got that it will never get a sequel.

>>182396378
Well, I mean personally I'd say it's worth picking up on a sale. It's really more of an RTS but it's got some pretty unique ideas about how to do gameplay. If the first one was a creative sandbox this one's more like a large-scale management board game.

They went under literally because nobody bought the thing, the reception from buyers was great.

>>182396548
I just couldn't get into SR1. So never even tried SR2. Do you think it's different enough that it deserves a try?

>>182396348
I like the space battles in SoaSE better.

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>>182396378
>>182396548
>Apparently, is sold so bad and he was so disappointed with the reeception it got that it will never get a sequel
>They went under literally because nobody bought the thing

>>182396632
They're basically entirely different games, which is one of the reasons people who really really liked SR1 often didn't like SR2 as much. I couldn't get into SR1 because it was like some kind of complexity nightmare where the AI just randomly fucks you to death the second you let up on micro, but SR2 is honestly one of my favorite games ever.
>>182396718
Fair enough, I prefer the macross-scale nonsense of SR2.

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>>182396742
Apparently he contacted nearly every major games media outlet and got stonewalled to shit. Everyone either just never replied or said they'd do some article on it then cancelled, then StarDrive 2 released and got all the coverage and people probably confused the two. I feel really bad for the guy.

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>>182396989
Fucking games media. A thousand articles on the AAA games everyone's heard about already and not a single word about good games from new devs.

>>182397393
Yeah, his story convinced me not to be a gamedev, if you've gotta be in the in-circle and suck all the right dicks to sell a game as good as his was I don't want to make games. I am totally working on a mod for it though.

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>racing to complete wonder
>in 2nd place, but pumped everyone onto the lava planet for maximum IND
>finally overtake the no.1 spot
>riftborn pop into my system and drop a -25% FIDSI singularity

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>>182397786
Oh wow. I have not seen any such signs of intelligence by the AI but if that's not pure random luck then it's brilliant.

Smartest thing the Riftborn have done so far is to let me have the Academy system and then start sucking my dick in exchange for peace and alliance.

>>182398162
It probably wasn't intentional because it was the treeniggers who ended up building the wonder, just a random stroke of misfortune.

Riftborn purge incoming.

>>182398489
please no bully

>>182399051
>The Riftborn cries out in pain as he strikes you

>>182369836
>I want control of that black hole and its Dark Matter
No you don't, strategic resources in Stellaris are a nothingburger.
Anyway, the answer to "how to DoW ppl with pacts" is "patience". I once waited 154 years when planning an independence war for the diplomatic winds to change in my favour.

>>182400719
autismus maximus

>>182371360
> "Dude its easy just add more content"
> writes hundreds of words about how existing features need to be reworked from the ground up rather than new features get added

More content is the OPPOSITE of what Stellaris needs. Utopia was all megastructires and ascensions and xenophagy and shit, and it didn't improve the game at all because it was all just fluff.
It doesn't matter whether you send your conquests straight to the ovens or work them to death when every planet conquest is still just a boring "another indistinguishable world on the dysfunctional sector pile"

>>182400719
>No you don't
>not wanting +20% physics research just for having a research station there
Yeah totally worthless resource.

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=964327565

version of this mod that replaced all horatio pictures when?

>>182403463
>wanting to replace perfection

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>faction quests that make you conquer a single-planet system disconnected from all constellations

>>182403267
The prerequisites to unlock the dark matter reveal tech means that by the time you can get it, there's no good physics tech left that's worth researching.

>>182404564
>conquer
What? I just had to park a fleet over it.

>>182404754
I need to get its happiness to 70, which means I need to conquer it.
I remember I had to conquer one as the UE too.

>>182404631
Just all the high level energy weapons...

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forums/65-general/threads/24821-enfer-ai-debug-tools?page=1

So....they are open sourcing the AI for endless space now. That's neat. I fully expect for non-cheating AIs to be made that will mercilessly destroy me, but then not actually remove me from the game, just keep me on one system constantly under siege and bully me until they win.

I'm not sure how I feel about this.

>>182405358
That assumes ES2 has a large enough community to support a dedicated modding scene. Game didn't sell well.

>>182378348
>Stellaris AI doesn't cheat
....wut

>>182405484
>falling for the bait
At least you'll keep the thread alive for the next 3 hours.

>>182393140
No. The one vodyani hero skill the, bottom one in the tier 3 skills, are broken.

+4 fids * pop * hero level is just stupid

Do you usually have your heroes go into space or do you have them manage systems? How do you make that decision? Do you have them specialize?

>>182406421
Leveling system is fucked. Everyone gets to babysit a system, even heroes that put their points into fighting. They govern a system to level up fast and then you send them off to war when you need them. After the war, back to being governors.

>>182405484
It's just resource optimization.

>>182406421
I almost always have them manage systems, unless their system management skills are seriously shit.

It's mainly because they gain xp fast as a motherfucker while governing, but you can barely scrape a single level after 10 victories leading a fleet.

It's funny,
>ES1
>heroes dominate battles so much that a fleet without a hero is guaranteed to lose in all circumstances
>devs balance ES2 around the idea that the presence of heroes should only tip the balance a little
>and slapped a big huge XP penalty to battles

>>182406595
Stellaris AI does have full view on you, though, so you can't outsmart it by staying out of its sensor range.

>>182407186
That's not cheating.

>>182405469
I think that there are a few modders who don't care about 4x who will buy it just to mod the AI.

>>182407241
Yes, it's cheating to have information that you're not supposed to have.

>>182407365
It's supposed to have it.

>>182407241
>>182406595
You really need better bait. It's not even interesting anymore.

>>182405358
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/blogs/540-endless-space-2-ai-modding-closed-beta?page=1

SOON

>>182407404
Why should NPC empires have information that is not given to them by sensors? They're supposed to work on the same mechanics as the player's empire.

>>182407579
They need it.

>>182407613
>they cheat
>lolno
>they extra resources and information in a way that the player can't get.
>yea, but it's not cheating, its by design.
>that is, by definition, a cheating AI
>lolno it isnt.

>>182406857
>and slapped a big huge XP penalty to battles
It's more of a massive oversight at least according to them. They're supposedly planning to balance hero EXP gains so they get less from both completing system improvements and winning battles, former because it's ridiculously high as of now and latter because it's useless anyways since it relies on the opponent's performance rather than your own, i.e. constantly sending big fleets for you to slaughter. As exchange they get much more per turn EXP depending on how big and advanced a system or fleet they're assigned to is.

Currently I'm just holding off from playing and waiting them to patch this shit along with the other massive balance issues.

/out/sider here. Never been very good at RTS games, but I am interested in getting better/ getting more from them. Where and how should I pick things up? Cheers.

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>>182408678
What have you already played?

>>182408839
Played Warcraft 3 and I played Company of Heroes. Stopped playing CoH because I felt I wasnt quick enough. Nice graphic by the way.

>>182409995
Give World in Conflict a try.

>>182407709
Players can get the vision by building megastructure

>>182408839
>Rise of Legends
I've never even heard of that, I assume it was shit?

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>>182410363
>I assume it was shit?
You take that back right now!

It was fun.

>182410291
So could the AI

>>182410473
But the AI doesn't need to.

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>>182397587
Make sure to post it up on the workshop when you're done; I always enjoy seeing folks' ideas on the gameplay.

>>182409995
>because I felt I wasnt quick enough
Yeah, I also have a mix of love and hate with RTS since so many devolve into fast-paced unit ability / build order / shitcamera / sheep placement APM hells.

I used to play RUSE multiplayer since it practically did away with crazy micro and focused more on army composition and unit positioning. Pretty comfy, but it's dead now and isn't sold anymore. Wargame is supposedly good and from the same devs but it's got an extremely steep learning curve whereas RUSE was very casual friendly.
Sins of a Solar Empire: Rebellion is obviously multiplayer focused but I've never played it with others, however it's good slower paced fun on your own as well and if you find even the default speed too daunting you can customize the speed of every element (research, ships etc.) separately in starting options. AI is or used to be kind of meh though so you eventually want to play against the resource cheating higher difficulties.

>>182410108
installing rn, should I play through the campaign raw or should I read a faq or something first?

>>182411126
Dungeon of the Endless is one of my favorite games of all time, all the management I need in an airtight package. I can pause, and I love the ability to kite back and forth between rooms. I give that game a hearty recommendation in return for the advice given today.

Heres to hoping I enjoy World in Conflict!

>>182385308
>What they need to fix is the fact that spaceports have 1500 military power and it takes decades for a fanatic militarist to get that much in corvette spam or anything else.
I've conquered empires in year 5. Fanatic militarist + aggressive leader means I need a warscore of like 10-12 to vassalize/cede planet an empire. I can do that by sending 2-3 infantry to conquer their first colony.

My fleet of 500-700 power never goes near their spaceport.

>>182411558
DotE is amazingly difficult even on Very Easy.

>>182410432
It sounds like a cool idea, I just assumed it sucked since I've never heard of it before.

t. oldfag who pre-ordered RoN

>>182411558
>World in Conflict
Campaign.

>>182410597
Oh hey man, I will don't worry.

>>182408839
Here are some more games:
>Original War
>Paraworld
>Dark Planet
>American Conquest
>Conquest: Frontier Wars
>Alien Nations
>Warzone 2100

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>>182412017
Awesome. Glad you're still having fun with the game!

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>>182412290

>>182412335
Oh yeah, a friend of mine picked it up during the recent sale so I figured I'd play some more, then it sort of came to me to make a mod to tweak a few things to make the games a bit faster and more intense, and also reward pre-building ships a little more since that's one of my favorite parts of the game.

Which of these games is most fun? I kinda want to build an interstellar empire

>>182412367
What's the source?

>>182414647
Master of martial hearts

>>182414420
If you want a more open-ended sanbox game, go for Stellaris.
If you want a more focused game with achievable victory settings, go for Endless Space 2.

>>182414420
I imagine that'd depend a lot on what you have the most fun with in such a game. There's a pretty wide spectrum and a lot of games that 'major' in a particular feature or feel.

e.g. If you like story-building in your games, Star Ruler 2 won't satisfy that thirst even if you like it -- whereas Endless Legend could potentially slack that thirst significantly.

Tell us what you like in a game so we can better suggest stuff you might enjoy.

>>182415071
I like a lot of freedom to build your empire as you wish and expand as you like. I'd prefer more customization over more streamlined day to day ruling. Combat is something I enjoy but I prefer the management.

I used to play a lot of Total War but as I got the new games I was disappointed in how they made everything management wise set to auto pilot. So I wanted to get into grand strategy (or something like it) in space because that sounds awesome.

>>182415329
Stellaris is probably what you're looking for. Garbage combat and nothing but tedious micromanagement.
Enjoy

>>182415329
Have you tried out Distant Worlds and/or Aurora?

Just trying to get deeper into where you're finding the fun.

>>182415538
Never tried either.

>>182415534
How garbage and how tedious?

>>182415806
Ah, I'll put it another way then:

Do you more like fiddling with lots of knobs that control lots of stuffs (e.g. you enjoy optimizing stuff and balancing things) or the freedom of 'doing anything'?

>>182415806
>How garbage and how tedious?
On a scale from not much to Paradox-tier, exactly one Paradox unit of tediousness.

>>182414420
Stellaris is full of irrelevant mechanics and bullshit non-choices.

Endless space is actually good.

>>182415945
ES1 or 2?

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>>182415906

>>182416054
2

No point in playing ES1 any more.

>>182415906
Now that's the thing. I've never played a Paradox game aside from Crusader Kings (I think that's theirs anyway) and didn't like it because it was focused on characters, not the empire itself.

But I've heard those games get crazy complicated. That's a bit of a turn off.

>>182415904
I do like optimizing but I'd say I like the freedom more. One's a way to accomplish the other more efficiently. I used to enjoy playing the old TW games that were much more in depth in terms of management and focusing less on the combat, although I still did plenty of that.

>>182415945
What kind of irrelevant mechanics?

>>182412290
>2200
>still believing that God is real
>still believing that God hates robots

>>182416141
>But I've heard those games get crazy complicated. That's a bit of a turn off.
They only look complicated. Once you understand, you realize how simple the mechanics are.

>>182402083

>Utopia was all megastructires and ascensions and xenophagy and shit, and it didn't improve the game at all because it was all just fluff.

How does that disprove the need for more content? The entire game is so barebones. I would love to actually build and manage an interstellar empire with specialized planets, local politics and governors, actually different and interesting building, a functional POP mechanic etc.