Spessmen on a Space Station - SS13 - /ss13g/

>>181883895
There's a blacklist due to no visual indicator that you're about to get meme'd hard

>>181886820
Yep, it's 27. t. didn't bother to check and assblasted myself right before I was gonna meme it up as a superman

>>181893757
Go to the robotics control console. select the borg then click destroy. The emergency blow all works as it tells you.

If you're gonna slug it out with the niggers, here's some considerations

They can't open ID locked lockers normally. A hacked secborg or a combat borg can SHOOT it open, wasting charge in the process, just be aware.
Borgs pushing an ED-209 or combat/secborgs can't tase/shoot you when you're pulling something. Usually supplies. Water tanks/pumps/etc are indestructible. closets can have perps welded inside them. Crates can hold medbots.
Flash's and the autoflasher from the brig stun them. Be in a locker ready to move and flash
Borgs only take 60 dmg to their 300 health from the heavy radius of a welderbomb. Don't. It's unlikely to break anything that matters on a good day, if it's healthy you'll likely only break its armor plating
Blinder's, flash powder, flashbangs, ion rifle kinda and EMP's provide AoE stuns
Never EVER go into a door after it's clear silicons are rogue. Cut AI control, power, AND backup power then bolts to kill the door if you can't smash around it Cutting AI control isn't enough and you fucking idiots never learn that
"mysterious" comms troubles means somebody just ate shit
Properly utilized EMP is capable of instantly killing a 100% health borg
Blast cannons, explosion grenades and one-tank bombs will gib a borg if in dev range. This is usually in a maint killbox or in a locker by something the borg will stop at for a split second. If the air is hazardous already you're in the clear to use them. Otherwise, make it count and don't complain about the dayban if you fuck up.
-continued-

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IT'S GONNA TAKE A LOT TO TAKE ME AWAAAAAAY FROM YOU

>>181899164
If a borg is not slaved to a roundstart AI it A, is emagged, or B, someone cut its sync and either way holy fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
If there's borgs but no AI, get one and then slave them to it immediately or just suicide so your ptsd doesn't get you banned
If a borg's interface is slightly damaged, it has been emagged, hacked by a malf, or had an illegal equipment module installed
Open a borg up, remove cell, screw, cut all wires, crowbar to eject the mmi.
A borg without its cell can still move fine. Open it up, remove the cell, find and cut lockdown, and crowbar out its actuator, camera, and keep those with its cell at a bare minimum. Close it and re-lock it so it can't get any literal retard to fix it.
You need to reapply the stuns partway unless you want to get fucked
Keep a station bounced radio with you in your pocket at all times. Be ready to whisper while in crit to give us a garbled warning
Pay fucking attention when the borg is sizing you up for a murder/seeing if that carbon is the target and just generally pay fucking attention especially around chokepoints and airlocks. Especially firelocked airlocks. Those things are murder factories
Always have your GAS MASK on and internals ready if not on so you don't eat shit to an N2O snipe


B U D D Y S Y S T E M

If the silicons act up after a remote purge asimov, blow them, DA/pacid/fuel tank the mmi's, thermite to, kill, card, DA/pacid/fuel tank the card. Fucking around is just gonna get you 6 feet under. You aren't gonna stay ahead forever.

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>>181899296
>tfw following a sec officer as a sec officer.
>"stop stalking me, the buddy system is for pussies"

every time.

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I can't figure out why you can't play silicon while adminned, whats that about exactly?

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WHO IS THE BEST
IS
THE
BEST
>Captain

>HoP

>CE

>CMO

>QM

>Clown

>Mime

>>181900137
>HoS
>Warden

>>181900137
>Captain
Dimples
>HoP
Dimples
>CE
Dimples
>CMO
Dimples
>QM
Dimples
>Clown
Dimples
>Mime
(You)

>>181900278
>HoS
Dimples
>Warden
That warden who does his job and doesn't powergame by asking for lethals to be ordered roundstart

>>181899949
Boot up a local server and just go through your motions.

As a silicon, you have an extreme impact on the round. Meanwhile, you're getting attack logs from people getting fucked, you're hearing people that got antagonized ahelping in case it was nonantag griff, you're getting logs about all kinds of chems. You're getting logout logs. You're getting exact explosion source and location logs. You're seeing plasma in all forms being manipulated. All passively shitting up your chatbar.

>>181899949
People can play while adminned if they have a reasonable expectation that they'll not compelled to "go against" this or that person. Heads of staff and sec are often expected to do this, and silicons are often outright compelled to detain people if not kill them (lings etc.)

>haven't played since back in january-ish

what's changed mates

>>181901327
so you are one of the summerfags?

>>181901492
No you dumbass, he's a winterfag.

>>181901802
Winter means it's summer somewhere.
And Holiday Boomers are as bad as summertime players

>>181901492
>>181901802
>>181902117
Naw, I've played on and off on pomf's server for years in bursts that usually last a few months. I just haven't had a chance to since winter because of life has that fucking mick celt finished winter map

>>181902427
Celt left an overly dramatic note and left. No strong attempts have been done on the snowmap front.

>>181900137
>captain
fuel tank tom
>hos
Vulgaris Magistralis or Locker Shooting Pompadour Man
>hop
shakes mcgee
>ce
Syd Walker or Nick Weller
>cmo
Brooke Burns
>QM
Ivy Stocker
>clown
Giggles the Faggot Clown, Nipples, Hugh G. Rection
>Mime
Razz Vozz is literally the only memorable one

>>181902980
>shakes
>vulgaris
>ivy
>brooke
>anywhere other than a bottom-3 list
lol

>>181902583
rip in piss you irish fuck

>>181899442
>tfw only say that because I have genuinely no idea what the fuck I'm doing as Sec until CRIME starts occurring outside of bullying the HoP/clown

>>181900137
Rambling manieac will enver not be my fav. Watching him seize and get stripped faster than a rolls royce in LA really makes my butt tingle

>>181903169
You don't need to know what you're doing. Go and arrest malicious lawbreakers and stick together that way when inevitably you bump into the antags they spill their spaghetti, try to kill you guys, and fail because BUDDY SYSTEM

so what exactly happened on Antonio's wild ride, apparently he grey'd so hard the hos murdered four people trying to stop his execution and got away with it

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>>181902980
>Razz Vozz is literally the only memorable one

>>181899442
That guy's a real hardcore pro, I can tell since I am also a real hardcore pro myself.

>>181903391
i'm glad this shitter is gone, we need to ban all those who unironically use cat ears

>>181903367
No, HoS tried to syringe him to death against the captains (note the s)'s orders (HoS was a general shitter that shift and kept harassing everyone for the whole of the 5 minutes he was in the shift) who wanted him stoned to death instead. When the single sec officer and the captains plus their assistants went to stop him, he started lasering people to death.
Antonio grey'd so hard that the only sec officer on station never got to leave the brig, but HoS was the real LVP.

>is a shitter and gets banned from every server he plays for attention
Just another Rin

CAW

I was one of the three deff votes and now i'm going to bed ahahahahaha

>>181903728
Honestly, captain authority is a meme. There's only the most basic accountability and qualification for a captain. If they're telling us what we can and can't do he likely has a flawed grasp of the case if he isn't straight up just a grey helping enable other greytiders to get out of trouble as happens often enough.

>emag borg and get it to kidnap the roboticist for us
>borg is a brand-new player and fucks up like nothing else
>roboticist is hidden for the rest of the shift, forced redtext achieved
EBIN :DDD

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I was a leech on the station's economy.

>>181904084
Spoiler: i was watching the CMC and i saw the robotocist get spaced

>>181902980
>nick
I heard Nick described in this way once by a fellow engineer
"He is a retard, but he is our retard"
he is a memorable meme engineer, but not the best CE

>>181904058
t. cancerhos. Guess the metaclub is alive and well, since that's the only way you're not permanently banned from all head roles at this point.

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>>181904084
>tfw i launched myself into space away from the borg once the stun ended

Vox are pox

how did you guys save the rd? i took his entire jumpsuit, turns his sensors off, and took his headset.

>HoS asks if anyone is up for an away mission
>Say I'm game
>Figure I'd be doing a field medic thing
>We're just hunting down the vox
>Still contribute because I stole the captain's gun
>Try to take the vox shuttle from the vox
>Go into crit because I rushed in
>Round ends before our boarding mission is over
Now we'll never know if Frank took over the ship and made it back home.

>>181902980
>nonhuman hop
AHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

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>The ling and I kill each other, and both of our bodies are brought to medbay for cloning
>They choose his body first

>>181904268
I will open a banrequest on the forum then. Thanks for explaining the situation. Enjoy your permaban.

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>>181904162
YOU FUCK I HAD LIKE 60K IN CASH AND YOU REDUCED ME TO 20K

but beyond that

>Cozy mining round
>ripleyan
>mineral providan
>hangan with other miners

wasn't part of much save for FUCKING MIND READING MONEY THEFT but had a good time.

>>181904162
I've done this before and you quickly find out that money can't actually get you anything because people don't use points of sale. Eg. chemicals from chemistry, drinks at a bar, food from the chef, shit from science

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>>181904373
What, getting away from the guy kidnapping you is permaban? Crazy rules you got here

>>181904084
roboticist was fucking dead in space, I telescid him and he was MIF I think he rolled borer

>>181904305
You guys barely made it past the airlocks, the round ended because we reached homebase.

>>181904403
T I N F O I L
I
N
F
O
I
L

>>181904278
He was standing on his GPS/Had it in his bag/Pocket so I teleported him in

>>181904373
>Getting away from a killer cyborg while in space is ban worthy
Get fucked shitbird

>>181904443
I don't care. Tate secured that cash in his bank account and he's going home literally $100,000 richer since I stole one more batch from the miners before being able to deposit it.
>>181904403
sorry, but miners need a little bullying sometimes. you guys have way too much money

>>181904446
Spacing yourself on purpose to deny an objective is bannable, yes.

>>181904446
>>181904538
you both ate the awful bait. congrats

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>>181904403
>could hear that the ripley saved your life from my host

Good feels my man, i love building mechs but everyone says ripleys are shit and shouldnt be built.

Its not too often i get enough silver or phazon to put together a different mech, not like medbay ever wants an odysseus

>>181904590
How the fuck does that even work? Is there a piece of equipment that allows you to steal from people's bank accounts?

http://www.strawpoll.me/13374836
http://www.strawpoll.me/13374836
http://www.strawpoll.me/13374836

>>181904828
Look at the filename for the screenshot I posted

>>181904403
Watching you walking into the mining dock area, then immediately "noping" out of there when you saw the monsters was pretty funny.

>>181904869
>engineering or medbay
should have been engineering or service

>>181904793
I was the miner with the ripley, don't remember specifically when it saved my life save for running in to some xeno eggs and them not infesting me on sight. Might have been another, but still fuckin thanks man.

>>181904621
I was already in space, i just moved away from him. It just so happened that way was the void of space. Its not like i was suited, i wasnt making it back to an airlock

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https://github.com/vgstation-coders/vgstation13/pull/15344
holy shit i got it done
thanks for the sprites Bilgecrank, they're splendid

>>181904793
>everyone says ripleys are shit aand shouldn't be built
They can go fuck themselves. If a miner asks you for a Ripley, and he brings you the shit you need to keep working, then build the man the best Ripley you can build. Ripley miners are the only good miners anyways, everyone else just runs off for MUH LOOTS MUH DUNGEONS MUH VAULTS.

>>181905464
A different palette for the pressure would work better.

>>181905464
Having that rough pressure meter will be really nice, particularly for doing search and rescue stuff. I'm sure YOU know this but only engineering borgs get atmospheric analyzers.

>>181905728
Please elaborate. Throw some feedback here or on the github.

>>181906286
Apart from the highest values, the pressure and heat indicators are all based on carbon damage values. Should help a bit.

>>181906437
>Please elaborate
What isn't clear here? You are using two different meters and the exact same colors for both. Since red=hot, blue=cold is already the norm, then it's the pressure one that should be changed.

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>>181904162

>getting mind reading as geneticist
>mfw

players aside, what role do you usually trust the most and trust the least as antag and non-antag?

>>181910104
>role
Bartenders. I have never had a bartender hurt me before, and they're usually pretty bro-tier as long as you don't break their glasses.

>>181910104
>least
medbay
>most
security, hos, hop and cap

>>181910104
I dont know about trusting people but shaft miners and clowns are the least trustworthy fuckers there are. Miners specifically.

>>181910104
plasmamen
they're fucking moe

Brotherman bill is the BEST captain and the most LEAST shit at everything else!

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More transformations when?

>vote metaclub
>leave

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>>181913567
Hey guys whats going on in-

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>>181913604
>Mfw

Hey virologist, maybe start using bodybags that you have access to if you want to drag the critical condition chemist into your deathcave all the way through medbay. Maybe then the CMO wont spot you and call security.
Also, where did you hide the geneticist, you monster?

>>181910104
--as antag:
>trust the most
traders
>trust the least
HoP

--as nonantag
>trust the most
security
>trust the least
HoP

Why do people even dislike metaclub I don't get it.

>>181904231
I know a Nick Weller IRL, unfortunately he's un-redeemably retarded.

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>>181913862
It's not box

>>181914168
>un-redeemably

>>181913862
The rooms are incredibly cramped, oddly shaped and jammed into one another awkwardly. It sucks in every possible way a map can suck.
Deff is worse because everything is spread out further, important rooms are smaller (RnD wtf) while unimportant rooms are bigger (Double dorms and triple theater WTFFFF) and a million other shitty things, like intercom placement makes it impossible to ever hear it or be picked up by them, half the rooms don't even have them, even HoP doesn't meanwhile cap's has 2 and one in the hall.

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So, why can't https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRXQsQKGqIU play during changeling rounds + power outages? Would be spooky no?

>>181915550
it'd get annoying after a while

>>181915550
because bloating and bloating and bloating the download size of the game with music tracks for everything is bad

I already think we should cut some of the fat from the jukebox or introduce a song rotation that cuts out some songs and replaces them with others every month or so, with the overall amount of songs on the serb at any given time being lower than it is now

>>181915550
Not everything needs a sound backing

>>181916293
Jukebox is streamed

So I was at Convergence. Which one of you fuckers has the Paradise Space Lounge running? I definitely heard definite spessmen music.

>>181915550
>le sp00key nursery rhyme
>>>/2005/

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>>181917707
>>>/2005/

Trust me I do want to go back ;_;

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>shitstended
>make an ebin rape chamber with a viewing room
>tons of fun interacting around it and eventually even sees use despite being just a flavour set piece
>people actually start using it
>tons of neat RP around it
>lol i grief you crew takes action 5 minutes later, starts throwing up random walls, removing walls, breaking airlocks
The furry Hippy meme is real.

>>181899164
>borgs cant open id-locked lockers

this is false.

just equip something, select it in 'hand', and touch the locker with it

>>181916515
fug man I want them to be shittier then, my game sometimes chugs when I go into rooms with the juke playing

>that fucking feel when a mommi is playing juke music in every department and you switch it off and every few minutes it just happens to be on again
fuck crabs

>>181918446
That unlocks/locks it.

>>181918607
oh right thats what you mean

for hiding in i guess

>>181918602
Disable streaming

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>>181918113
Get the fuck out of here

>>181918446
this toggles the lock

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>>181918665
No___

>>181918654
I've actually set streaming to off a bunch of times and every time I log in its back to on

>>181918748
disgusting secondlife trash

>>181918772
Don't get upset if this seems like a stupid question but have you actually saved the settings?

>>181918857
t. TTT player

>>181918884
Is it save slot or a different button? because I hit save slot

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Lane Holdeman survives yet again by hiding in a closet for an extended period of time.
This time it was the one in the Paramed's office. The vampire rolled by the window a few times but didn't seem to notice the glass missing from the broken window (since Lane was naked from his escape from the vampire death machine)
He waited until everyone left, picked up his old Engineering gear, and got to work fixing it back up.

Pic related is the last Lane Holdeman round where he hid in a closet for at least 1 and 1/2 hours with three other men whispering worriedly as syndies and death squaddies rolled by the window.

>>181918914
roleplaying is fine, you're a space man on a space station and the game is more fun that way

being a slutty bimbo in a rape simulator shoehorned on top of this is gag tier

>>181918748
I love it.

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>>181918748
>tfw love rp
>tfw only get to rp without being judged during the purge

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>>181919001

>>181919346
>RP good
>ERP not good unless you're on vore

>>181919453
>RP great
>ERP even better

I see some of you fucks on that one roleplaying website, I'm not saying names but you're a cool guy

>>181919381
brb removing self from gene pool for inadequate information parsing skills

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>>181919556
>tfw look at mutal servers on folks in the discord channel
>tfw see vore station listed

>>181919381
>>181919648
Whenever I hit "save setup" it resets all my antag preferences the next round, so I always use the special roles "save" button when I make changes to my settings.

>>181919140
I RPed as an engineer though, build it and the the slutty bimbos will cum.

>>181919779
Same here. Why are the coders so bad? This is a game breaking bug and it's there for ages.

>open discord
>one guy complaining
>go to sleep
>wake up
>open discord
>same guy complaining about something new now

>>181920836
>open discord
There's your issue kid.

So what happened to the mining changes?

>>181919718
This is actually my fear.
Not with vore of course but I have this paranoia of someone finding a certain NSFW server I go to and doxxing me.

>>181922321
why are you ashamed of yourself when literally everyone has a sex drive or a medical condition preventing one

>>181922703
Have you never been to dorms? I think less of anyone who posts there and I'd hate for others to see me like that.

sopa de macaco added when

>>181922824
uma delicia

>>181922768
Porn isn't uncommon or immoral

>>181923171
It should be considering the garbage taste and fetishes of people there.

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>>181922768
>I think less of anyone that posts there
>caring this much about what people that play a 10 year old atmos simulator think of you
How pathetic can one person be?

>>181923328
Everybody poops

and has tastes

>>181923437
And some taste poop

>>181923352
Post all your fetishes and ckey if you're so proud.

>>181922768
Porn is embarrassing and cringeworthy.
Don't be like serwind.

>>181923636
>It's a "SerWind accidentally mentions being a footfag and gets roasted over it forever" episode

>>181923608
You're also confusing pride with security. I'm not so insecure that people like you dictate how I act.
And I've already posted my fetishes to the dorms.

>>181923608
Robot girls with soft feet
dogs
majestic_mastadon

>>181925350
>no possum picture

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>admins try to make the round fun with bus lmao spawn an antag
>it's always fucking awful

>>181925578
what hapen

>>181925931
Just what I've noticed.
Not prompted by /vg/station but it usually is the case here too.

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>>181918602
>Be on bagel
>Grab the Sax and start laying down some smooth jams
>Get cloned and lose it in medbay
>Later get arrested, and on my way out grab the Trombone
>Start belting out some rockin doots
>Head over to medbay and the paramedic throws me my Sax
>"Here kid, show us what you got"
>Proudly take a horn in each hand and load up the same song
>Crank out that trombone rhythm and start marching around in a circle
>Wait for the next round of the song and start up that sweet, soulful saxophone
>Sounds great for a few seconds
>Then one instrument fades out, then comes back and the other fades
>My marching becomes irregular and jittery
>Paramedic "Whats wrong?"
>Sound becomes erratic and slightly garbled, waving in and out in volume as I slow down further
>See a doctor running down the hall towards me, only to be suddenly slowed down as he gets closer
>Doctor "What the fuck is going on??"
>Music is muting in whole chunks with a static chittering
>It grows softer, then muffled, and finally completely silent
>Can barely move, cannot hear anything even doors opening or closing
>Everyone losing their shit
>Throw the horns down
>The affect slowly fades
>Doctor throws my horns in the trash

Shit was fucking crazy. No idea what causes it, something about the two instruments layered on top of each other I guess.

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>>181923708
Nothing wrong with liking feet.

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>play necromorph
>can only nuzzle for most of the round
>admin grants me power to harm
>someone attacks me
>screen freezes
>mfw

>>181926653
I can verify that playing two instruments at once is a dark power byond cannot contain

and the harmonica fits in the mask slot

>>181927327
>Knee symbols when
>Backpack drum when
>Ankle accordian when
>Crotch Kazoo when

>>181927934
Wouldn't an anus kazoo make more sense?

>>181900480
>doesn't powergame by asking for lethals to be ordered roundstart

ordering combat shotguns ISN'T powergaming.

DO YOU HEAR ME

>assault rifle does 20 damage
>SMG does 25

explain this

>>181928176
Illegal hollow point bullets SMG.

>>181928538
still doesn't make sense

>>181928176
Rifles are long range weapons. Their rounds are large, meant to travel long distances and still have penetration power through surfaces. You shoot someone with a rifle, it goes through them..an smg is designed for close quarters combat, specifically to do damage to soft targets in short ranges. The rounds are small and vicious. Their mass and speed is so low that entering a human body will cause them to slow down enough to change momentum, forcing them to tumble through the body and sticking there, likely with shrapnel as well.
It's like asking why a precise scalpel doesn't hurt as much as a rusty hacksaw. They both cut, but one will just fuck your shit up.

>>181928581
A standard bullets goes through you.
Hollow points blow a hole in you.
Assault Rifles are standard issue and follow military conventions.
The SMG is an illegal Syndicate weapon with no qualms about conventions or ethics.

>>181913784
He was in disposals

>>181928682
SMG rounds are usually pistol rounds, which are usually complete shit. Their terminal ballistics are terrible, and you should know that. Rifle rounds have a shitload of extra force behind them and can be relied upon in pretty much every scenario to have a higher chance of putting someone down in a comparable amount of shots. The reason SMGs use pistol rounds isn't even because of some tumble meme, it's because of being able to have a higher capacity with lower weight, allowing a small weapon either for CQC or personal defense to be able to shoot a lot and quickly.

Let's compare .45 to 30-06. .45 was used in Thompson SMGs in WWII. It worked with the thompson because you could shoot the shit out of a lot of somebodies up close, not because the .45 is actually a very effective round, at least compared to the 30-06. The 30-06, while a rifle round designed to go long distances yes, also will do a shitload more damage to the human body simply by the nature of the kinetic energy behind it. Let's just compare the muzzle velocity of the two rounds so we can see what really separates a pistol round from a rifle round

.45 fired from a thompson SMG: 935 ft/s
30-06 fired from an m1 garand: 2,800 ft/s

This is the reason pistol rounds are shit and why SMGs aren't actually used by people who seriously give a shit about killing somebody in the modern age. I could do more comparisons if you like.

>>181928736
it's still dumb and it's clear you pulled it out of your ass

>>181929674
>when you need to compare to a ww2 battle rifle to make your point instead of an assault rifle.

>>181900137
>cap
Me
>HOP
Larry Limbless Johnson
>CE
Nick
>CMO
Amelia
>QM
Never cared
>Clown
Me
>mime
Razz

>>181929827
okay I can do more comparisons with the modern 9mm SMG round to our modern 5.56

9mm parabellum: the obvious round that influenced our 9mm SMG.

7.45 g (115 gr) Federal FMJ - 1,180 ft/s

5.56 NATO: Our modern assault rifle round, used in the M16 and M4 rifles.

4 g (62 gr) M855A1 FMJBT - 3,100 ft/s

It's worth noting that the 5.56 is actually the round that is more likely to tumble around and fuck shit up, not 9mm parabellum. You could look up actual kinetic force behind the two rounds, I just chose muzzle velocity because I feel it says enough about the differences between rifle and pistol rounds.

different ammo types when

gib hollow points and armor piercing rounds

>people will still defend the SMG doing more damage than a fucking assault rifle

>>181930602
MilFags will cry this hard about a weapon that can take someone down with a burst not being even better.

>>181930602
What caliber rounds does each fire? In-game I mean, not real SMGs and assault rifles.
Most bullet guns in the code actually list calibers that they're compatible with.

>>181930685
>burst
>meme implemented by some retarded coder

just remove burst entirely tbqh

>>181930791
SMG fires 9mm in our game. Assault rifle fires 12mm which is kind of hilarious in its own way, but maybe it was just intended to say something about the ballistics of the future, IE 12mm is considered an intermediate round or something. It's just really dumb that the SMG does more damage than the assault rifle, and seems like a stupid oversight. People will defend it, because there are a few turbo autists that really have something against ballistics in space, and there are a few other people who don't really understand the game and how combat works that are afraid of the ballistic boogeyman giving them internal bleeds.

I really don't know what to think at this point tbqh. Ballistics are kind of fucked from a balance perspective and a realism perspective. Nobody wants to do anything about it, and there are some major retards responding with knee jerk bullshit whenever ballistics get brought up. I've never quite seen anything like this in any game I've played, or any general I've visited. I blame whatever retarded coder started this shit, and science for being a terrible department. I still remember talking to the coder too, a brainlet with his head up his ass. I think it was PJB or something.

>>181931136
Do 9mm bullets have a higher damage value in the code than 12mm bullets?

>>181931136
The SMG does more damage becuase it costed more to produce. Assault rifles used to only need metal to make while SMGs always needed silver.
Then because of GunSci being really bad for a while, they nerfed Assault Rifles to do less damage and cost more materials, while leaving SMGs alone IIRC.
Before the GunSci nerf SMGs were more expensive and worse than assault rifles.

>>181931273
Yeah, pretty sure they do. I think I found them here

/obj/item/projectile/bullet/midbullet/assault
damage = 20
stun = 0
weaken = 0

/obj/item/projectile/bullet/midbullet2
damage = 25
stun = 0
weaken = 0

I know the SMG does 25 from in-game testing. Assault rifle does 20. There's no conveniently named /obj/item/projectile/bullet/SMG unfortunately, so I'm going to go ahead and guess it's midbullet2

>>181931526
I pretty much know the reasons behind why we're left with the mess we've got right now. I remember gunsci, I even remember arguing with the guy that made the changes before he made all of the changes. I specifically told him his changes would only work if he also compensated the assault rifle in some other way, IE removing stuns= 30-40 damage to make up for the fact that it would be shit. I can see now he fucked everything up refused to set things straight. He was a genuine entry level sci fi anti ballistics "guns in future are stupid lmao" kind of retard, by the way. I'll never forget that kind of idiocy. I guess I'm not really surprised this wannabe game balance designer fucked everything up, but it's really frustrating. There were a lot of ways to tweak assault rifles, even more to fix gunsci, and he took pretty much the worst possible route.

>>181925578
But anon, all my buses are about not ever clicking anything and then the round becomes extended and people call the shuttle because they've been bored for several hours.
The few times I've tried to set up a real bus (always because it's *actually* extended), the crew usually fucks it up and the shuttle has to be called. The last time, I was so close to being done building the ship I wanted to send to the station and then someone accidentally let loose the goose on Bagel.

do you think tinky is still alive out there?
cruising the cosmos in his stolen syndicate shuttle?
will we ever see him again?

How is it possible to make the burst fire mode of the gatling gun fire sporadically? What is the difference between the gatling gun's burst fire and the assault rifle/smg's burst fire? coders answer pls

>>181932156
I honestly don't think we should have modern ballistic weaponry. I like lasers and energy weapons in my sci-fi. But without them in the code then fun busses wouldn't be possible and "summon guns" would just give everyone boring laser weaponry.
Honestly I'd like more WW2 and earlier guns. I mean, wouldn't it be cool as shit to have flintlock pistols? Have real duels with the captain over the legitmacy of his captaincy.
I think the bartenders gun should be a blunderbus too. Not like the makeshift one we have coded. Something like Loopers, this crude pump action brick that shoots just heavy beanbags.
To me, ballistics are weapons of war and energy weapons are one of control. Which is why I think the station should only stock energy weapons and it makes sense to me why the syndicate carry CR20s.

>>181932653
>I honestly don't think we should have modern ballistic weaponry.

why not? What kind of genuine reason could you possibly have for this opinion? What even makes people think that sci fi can't have ballistic weapons? That's such terrible taste

>>181932426
Seeing as his ckey self requested ban a few months back I doubt it. RIP

>>181932653
Its more that ballistics = breaches, energy = no breaches
Syndicate don't give a fuck if they ventilate the station while ventilating the captain.
Also fuck adding old fashioned firearms, where's the scifi ballistics at

>>181932724
>Using ballistic weapons on a space station with windows leading into space all over the place
Why the fuck would I have to even explain this to you?

>>181933114
Deityweapons.

>>181933176
I was more interested in the thematic question of why modern ballistic weaponry don't belong in a sci fi setting. I don't think I'll get an answer on that. As for ballistics on a space station, there is literally nothing wrong with their being there for emergencies, and being used in emergencies, so long as they don't shoot the glass. It's why we still have combat shotguns in the armory, and barely anybody shoots out the windows with a combat shotgun. Mostly because our station isn't actually made out of fucking glass.

>>181932724
For one they're ugly and I don't see them having a collectable status to last. Older weaponry has a lot more character and is way more collectable and to me is more likely to be kept and maintained into the future.
And like I said, ballistics are weapons of war. They have one purpose and their purpose is to kill.
Then there's the fact that they require a lot more raw materials to produce, and seeing as capitalism will always prevail, once real energy based weaponry became a viable medium every manufacturer would switch over to it for more profit and less production and maintenance cost. Policing forces would choose it over ballistic as now they have a way to actually control people without just shooting them.
Then you move onto the whole idea that we're in SPACE.
Ballistc weaponry.
In space.
Not only is that incredibly unsafe and beyond stupid, once you leave the confines of an pressurized environment you're gonna have a hard time maintaining your weapon.
You might call it "terrible taste"
but this isn't some 2050 future, this is a 2550 future. This is the logical progress.

>>181933409
One question is that why the fuck do we still use gunpowder rounds instead of magnetic rifles

>>181933447
>For one they're ugly

your taste is literally shit my friend.

>and I don't see them having a collectable status to last.

shows how much you know. Just accept that your taste is shit, which is probably why you settled on sci fi, and shit tier sci fi to boot. Not to knock sci fi really, some of it's pretty damn good, but it really draws out the lowest common denominator. I'm pretty sure I've argued with someone who's made these same exact arguments which show a wild disconnect from reality in the past, too. I really shouldn't have to explain to you the problem with hand held laser weaponry time and time again

>>181933409
I'd say modern weapons would be unfitting on a space station because the setting is 500 year in the future, we should be firing esoteric fishguns that 3d print miniature replicas of the targets face onto each bullet, not plain old glocks. Of course that goes double for older weapons, A luger would be antique as fuck.

>>181933661
Something something EMP resistance

>>181933664
ok /k/ calm your tits, go jerk off over your m16

>>181933447
>implying they haven't solved current issues with ballistic weaponary's use in space 500 years in the future

They have teleportation but workable and easy to maintain ballistic weapons? THATS IMPOSSIBLE

>>181933664
>I really shouldn't have to explain to you the problem with hand held laser weaponry time and time again
Nanotrasen has teleportation technology, portable teleportation technology in the form of a little remote.
Plasma rifles, energy weapons with enough power to penetrate solid objects.
Blue space and plasma is a massive maguffin in this universe that I'm sure they have fixed the major problems surrounding energy based weapons

>>181933664
SS13 is soft scifi. I like to think of it as a space movie simulator, that's why the AIs always try to kill you, the captain is always a zany caricature and the security team gets mown down in a heartbeat.

>>181933661
that's a fair question, and the answer is that we have coders and contributors that don't care about weapons except for how they play into the game and a sci fi setting. IE, they're shit and dumb

gauss rifles and caseless rounds when?

>>181933754
It's not even /k/, it's just that there are some serious problems with the taste of sci fi fans tbqh. Lot of sci fi fans are retards, if we're going to be real here. It gets better with hard sci fi, and there are some good trekkers, but then you have the star wars denomination and the bad trekkers. Their opinions are shit in pretty much every aspect, and they just don't go away.

If we're being real here anyway. I personally like soft sci fi. Shit's fun. But it's filled with dumbies.

>>181933891
The problem is that if you get that far, there will always be better alternatives. But let's recognize that the lore for this game is an amalgamation of shit, and there really isn't any central idea behind any of it. Shit's just thrown together. We can go ahead an throw ballistic weaponry in there no matter what, and we already have. The only remaining question is, why aren't ballistics better? They're here to stay, no matter what the soft sci fi kiddies have to say about it

>>181933783
why would they make maintainable ballistic weapons when energy based ones are cheaper and just as effective?
Do people still use and make black powder loaded rifles? I highly doubt it because it's incredibly inefficient for the only purpose a gun has. It's just the natural progress of war and weaponry. We're already moving forward with how railguns are being researched, they even have a plasma railgun in research in the 90s and one day someone will pick it up again. Once we discover how to downsize these things into something more portable and such they will just replace ballistic weaponry. Just like how the cannon progressed into black powder muskets, into flintlock pistols, and from there onto modern weaponry.

>>181934101
>why would they make maintainable ballistic weapons when energy based ones are cheaper and just as effective?

there's that nonsensical argument again

>>181934079
I think you're just really autistic about guns for no reason. Must be an American.

>>181934158
did you even read the rest of the post you moron

>>181934178
I have a passing interest in guns, being American. I knew more about them without giving too much of a shit than you probably ever will by the time I was 12. I'm sorry if that bothers your delicate european sci fi kiddy sensibilities or whatever.

>>181934248
I must have read it a dozen times over the last couple years, it's always retarded.

>>181934308
then explain how its retarded that FIVE HUNDRED years in the future a better alternative of weaponry hasn't came along.
Tell me how, with how fast we scientifically advance that ballistics still remain at the top.
Put some fucking backbone into your words and counter the points people are telling you.

>>181934101
A logical reasoning for maintaining energy and ballistic based weaponry is that armor will adapt to protect against the most common type. assuming we're being a tad realistic for a moment, the chances of creating body armor significantly resistant to both ballistic and energy based is extremely small and would be horrendously expensive if created.

>>181934425
Well first off, we have to break down your post and recognize it makes several assumptions. Obviously better weapons will come along, technology will progress, especially weaponry. The assumption you made however is that it will undoubtedly be laser weaponry. There is absolutely nothing to say that we won't have EM propelled ballistic weaponry in the future, in fact it's pretty much guaranteed. For every proposed theoretical futuristic laser weapons system, there is a proposed EM propelled ballistics weapons system. We can even see just how easier and more effective it is for such systems to be made in modern times, with railguns already having been made and very nearly being used in actual combat, versus lasers which aren't QUITE there yet. If it wasn't already obvious to you that we'll either be using both or something else 500 years into the future, there you go. I'm pretty sure I've explained this in this thread half a dozen times, probably to you specifically on more than one occasion.

Your second assumption was that energy based weapons will be cheaper and just as effective as ballistic weaponry. We just can't know that for one, but it's VERY unlikely that effective energy weapons, which would probably use a comparably absurd amount of energy compared to gunpowder weapons, would be cheaper than gunpowder weapons. We obviously just can't know how widespread their use would be in the future, or what kind of developments we'll see in warfare and gunpowder/energy technology, but it's a fair guess that fuel propelled weapons will always be around in some capacity. You can make the same insubstantial argument that "TECHNOLOGY WILL FIX IT" with gunpowder as you can with energy based weapons.

I'd also finally like to point out we were still using firearms 500 years ago. They're just an effective tool of war, nothing will ever change that.

>>181934767
This is also a fairly reasonable and insightful post.

>>181934079
I thought people were complaining about people adding modern guns, not ballistics in general.

>>181934767
that's reflected in the game too, ablative armour has no ballistic protection, and the bulletproof vest has no energy protection. All other armours are a compromise between the two and less effective than the specialised.

>>181935047
we may as well complain about adding vampires and memes

this game is an amalgamation of popular sci fi culture and anything else that can be shoved in that the playerbase would like to see. Some of us like seeing modern ballistic weaponry in the game. Which is why we have ballistic weapons.

Now that I think about I'm actually curious as to how the discussion devolved into arguing about ballistics in space when the original argument had something to do with the assault rifle STILL being shit. I guess I'm not surprised, considering the same people who don't want to see the assault rifle get better are the same people who just don't like seeing ballistic weapons.

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>code bullet holes in windows
>this way a single bullet won't break the window like if a truck hit it
>mfw atmos techs going crazy checking every window to see which ones have holes and are venting the room

>>181935228
CODERS CODE THIS PLEASE

>>181935228
uh no
thats not how it works in a vaccum
thats why theres no gun on a submarine

>>181935216
Vampires are shit though and you want schezuan sauce you dumb fuck?

>>181935407
vampires are necessary for the game because they add variety, which we desperately need. And I don't give a fuck about some sauce, if somebody wants it fine. They're probably more involved than you or me in the food part of our game.

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>>181918748
Oh wow.
>"Lux Tuft" just meta ocked me over PDA
>got us both bwoinked by the admin.
>he actually came here, saw my post, and got butthurt over memes twice
>then spent the entire round ERPing his waifu
>d-detective can't do anything against lings
>I got to play greysec in his place, 9/10 round

>>181934948
>NT has the ability to teleport and manipulate gravity with machinery
>but replacing ballistics is too far
must hurt to be a brainlet

>>181935749
You deserved it senpai.

>>181936339
Deserve what?
Only thing that bugs me is I'm still working out in my head just how a good rape scene would go - so I haven't unleashed le BBC meme. There are a lot of peeps who ask for noncon play including fuckboi's favourite haunt.

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nice to see someone is actually doing something about excessive greytiders
just ironic that its maipai after being one of the worst the server ever had

>>181936541
At least he's not playing anymore lmao.
Shame he wasn't just banned though.

>>181936541
my nigga diavil dindu maipai is just trying to boost their ego and rep among the admins so they're not discarded like the worthless shit they are

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>>181936541
>just ironic that its maipai after being one of the worst the server ever had

Shitters are good at dealing with their kind.

>>181936112
can you tell me about it?

>try to do something like open a cannister or hack a door
>get a white screen

is this because I have 511 installed?

>>181937727
Give it a second, it's probably just loading

>>181937920
I know, but this shit has gotten my killed like twice now and has inconvenienced my many many times. Is there a fix at all?

What's Kolith's current static?

>>181938142
Fuck off Isaac no one is impressed

>>181938273
but I hate Isaac

>>181913862
It's literally just a worse box. People don't really dislike meta, it's just that if you're going to vote meta, you might as well vote box instead.

>>181932156
The gun's dm tells you what casing/beam it uses, bullet/beams.dm tells you exactly what it does.

>>181935228
Just unsecure the window. You can already give them ptsd

>>181898693
I just want to say the admins in this server sound like strict assholes

It's just a game, chill out

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>lock myself in plasteel cage at round end
>smelelele
>pull out my protokinector and shoot people
>it has unlimited uses

>>181939026
dorf fort tier exploit

>>181938273
it wasnt even me though

>>181930495
N.O. We already have too much click and the little picture goes horizontal. It's bad for gameplay health.

>>181939026
Shaft Miner turrets outside perma when?

>>181939103
What? No we don't

>>181938050
>>181937727
Read the message of the day. Specifically the fucking part where it tells you what to fucking do

WHY DO I ALWAYS MISS ROUNDSTART

FUCKING BYOND DOESN'T LOAD

>>181939174
When you git fucking gud, you'll notice that yeah. we do.

>>181939381
Because lummox is a piece of shit, either keep refreshing the server admin logs and jump in or just keep trying to join instead of sitting at the blackscreen after it's already failed to join cause serb isn't up. The autoreload feature is busted as shit .

>>181939493
Okay go ahead and give me a detailed and well reasoned argument as to why we have enough shit to kill people. Don't say some dumb bullshit like it's bad for the game, it literally does not matter.

>>181939594
>Okay go ahead and give me a detailed and well reasoned argument as to why we don't have enough shit that instacrits or kills in less than 1.5s
Go ahead, I'll wait you fucking autist.

>>181939594
We have basic force 15 melee weapons all over for everyone
There are easy to make/grab better ones
There are ~40 damage multi-shot ranged weapons for anyone with just a toolbox and half a brain
Basically everyone is able to make guns that are a death sentence from 2-3 hits and crit in merely 4-5 if they aren't retarded
Basically every dept is able to double fist meme someone faster than they can scream, we don't need it even more common and easier to get than it already is to assemble a meme kit
That's not even getting into the rest of the broken bullshit

Turds in the pool isn't justification for taking a steaming dump now do the world a favor and fucking kill yourself.

>>181939753
Nice to see you lack the confidence to take the initiative.

It's not about that we don't have enough, it's that it would be cool to have, and in the grand scheme of things it doesn't matter much to include something like specialized ammo types. Hollow points could do more damage to unarmored targets while having no penetration through windows and being wildly less effective against armored targets. Armor piercing could give people using ballistics an option to be more effective against armored targets. It doesn't have to be easy to get. I'm sitting here wondering why an idea like that somehow makes the game worse? I've yet to get an answer. I especially don't see the big deal in giving another option to kill people that isn't stuns when we have so many things in the game that can stun you. If I recall, a lot of people like to whine about lethals being completely outclassed by stuns. Maybe if you made lethals more effective, people would complain less about our stun oriented combat.

It's not like it makes much of a difference to people who are going to die anyway, IE the people that complain about dying too fast because they're either shit or put into a situation where they shouldn't come out on top anyway. I feel like you're about to make the argument that some unarmored chef should have a chance to not die when he's shot down in the kitchen or something, as if it matters that some dude doesn't have a chance to fight back when he's unarmed against a dude with a gun.

>>181940123
I fail to see why making it easier to kill people would be a problem. Go ahead and tell me why that would be so bad. It honestly sounds like you're a massive whiner that can't stand dying in a game that's supposed to be unforgiving.

>people are STILL whining about dying in ss13

guess some things never change.

>>181940208
>>181940310
The people that cry about lethals being bad can't hit the broadside of a barn. Shitty newfaggots, including you, don't get an opinion and you're partially at fault for enabling them. Take your power creep down your slippery slope of well we have x2, so I should get x5!!!!!!! REEEEE HOW DARE YOU NOT AGREE WITH MEEEEEEEE and fucking kill yourself.

Go play fucking call of duty if you just want to autistically deathmatch. We don't need to drag the code's health down further by enhancing the binary state of alive or instantly [meme'd]

>>181940402
The problem is that you don't agree with it and so you just keep saying hurr I don't get an answer. Fucking kill yourself.

>>181940208
If you don't see a problem with an a chef being instantly killed, this game isn't for you. Leave.

>>181940484
>get shot nearly have a dozen times by some rev squad nigger with an SMG
>stun them once and beat them to death
>they whine in deadchat about how the SMG is useless and they're never using it again

Like you can make these assumptions all you like. I've played this game long enough to know from experience that some of this shit doesn't sit right. I can give genuine, real examples from my experience to back up my arguments. You shy away from it, I don't know why, but I wonder if it's because you don't have any, or you know I'll tear down any that you give.

>>181940582
Sort of right. You can't actually give a concrete answer as to why it would be bad. I know that. I also know that it's because you're probably some shitter that can't stand dying in this game, even when you deserve it. You probably can't adapt to things that are deadly at all, and call them bullshit, turds in the pool, broken shit. I know this, because I've seen it hundreds of times before, in nearly every multiplayer game out there. You shits infest everything. Hell, you see this kind of entitled whining behavior everywhere. You're entitled to have a good time, you shouldn't have to die when somebody shoots you a few times in a video game, you need EVEN MORE chance to get away and invalidate someone else's efforts to kill you. I'm sick of it tbqh, and I know you won't give any sort of real reasons as to why we shouldn't have more shit to kill people, because you can't stop thinking about how it might be used to kill you in the future

>>181940786
But he's not instantly killed. It takes time for someone to pull out a gun. It takes time to shoot. It takes time for the bullets to land. It takes effort to aim properly. I don't see why someone should have even more chances if they fail to react properly to any of this. Not only that, but your claim that this game isn't for me when we already have plenty of this bullshit that also makes this game great seems pretty dumb. Maybe it isn't for you?

>>181935749
>detective
>spends all round erping his waifu

Is Lux Tuft shiggypiggy?

>>181940786
This.

I got nuggetz

>>181942004
and why would you agree?

>>181942004
t. chef

>>181941026
I am telling you it's an objective fact that someone using burst fire that can actually hit its target kills the absolute shitfuck out of people. Using someone who can't even use an SMG right shows how fucking empty and pathetic you are.
I've played this game for 6 years and counting and I know from experience how fucking trash you are. You can't tear down fucking shit check your fucking attitude

I'm fine with dying, what I'm not okay with is people getting meme'd out of the round for no good reason instantly with no counterplay other than the AI happening to be looking there at the moment. There is never a good reason to increase the amount of instacrit in the game

I gave you the concrete answer of instakills are bad and you don't take it cause you're a fucking autistic deathmatch shitter who just wants to school shooter the place up instead of going and playing call of duty. probably cause your FAS prevents you from getting a job. It really doesn't take long to draw and double fist someone with all the killboxes and consoles everywhere and even when you are spotted you were already positioned where that doesn't matter in the first place. The average time it takes someone to kill someone else doesn't need to be faster than it already is. There is no benefit to reducing that time and in fact drastically spikes server health into the ground. If 3-5 shots as you school shooter by isn't fast enough for your boner, leave, you wont be missed. People that can actually hit a target instead of spray and pray have no trouble with stun immune targets

No, he is instantlyfucking killed because it only takes a split second to double fist and unload into the guy who is already positioned so he's fucked. Only idiots have trouble with a successful gank, there's no benefit in lowering the already scraping the floor bar

I can give reasons all fucking day but we don't share values so you'll just be autistic until the end of time. You don't need to ruin ss13, Fuck. Off.

>>181942348
>hit 4 times by the SMG
>shrug it off because it does no damage

doesn't matter if it's not burst fire. Burst fire is a fucking meme too and would just have put him at a bigger disadvantage because he couldn't suppress me any more and I could go right in with a taser. You're also continuing to make the assumption I'm trash. Why would you think that? I've been called pretty robust in the past, and I'll take the word of someone who's seen me play over some dumbass who can't understand the game after 6 years of playing it. It doesn't matter if burst fire does a shitload of damage if you land it on the first shot, you're still at a huge disadvantage afterwards and unless you have GREAT aim or the guy who you're shooting at is retarded, you're not guaranteed to land it. It sucks and is only good in very specific circumstances, under which circumstances I won't deny it's pretty damn good, but so is literally anything else.

Also, your "concrete answer" is shit. You cite getting shot a few times as an instakill. That's fucking retarded. You should be able to reason better than that. You know what's an instakill? A fucking railgun with good charge. Nobody complains about railguns, though.

>Only idiots have trouble with a successful gank, there's no benefit in lowering the already scraping the floor bar

Now I can finally get into the argument I wanted to make. There IS no difference in surprise attacks by making things do more damage. It just puts them on a reasonable footing that can compete with stun weaponry in an actual fight. That's it. It doesn't fuck over the dude who's already fucked. It helps the person who uses our shitty assault rifle against a dude with a fucking taser.

Excuse me you two but this thread is for shitposters only please leave with your paragraph long "arguments".

>>181943908
>>shrug it off because it does no damage
>shrugging off 100 brute + bleeding/broken bones
yeah nah

>>181942348
Also I'm glad I got a rise out of you you fucking brainlet, I'm smarter than you and I'm glad to fucking show it you arrogant cock sucker

Now back to the assault rifle versus taser. For someone with an assault rifle in the game as it stands to end an engagement with someone equipped with a taser takes five good shoots in a reasonable time frame, assuming they don't have armor. The taser takes one. This is unreasonable on so many levels. For one, it renders the assault rifle almost useless in this type of engagement. Cry all you want about how all it takes to fuck someone is a good burst from an assault rifle. All it takes is one shot from the taser. The taser has a clear and distinct advantage here, despite being a fucking mall cop issue toy. It STILL takes time after a burst landing for someone to bleed out. IF you land it. If you miss, you are now again at a huge disadvantage against someone who can shoot at you freely while your shit is on cooldown. Burst fire is an alright idea. It works on the gatling and bee gun. It doesn't work on the SMG and the assault rifle. It's a poor substitute for the effectiveness these weapons should do anyway.

>>181944207
>>>>>100 damage
>bleeds that may not be there
>broken bones that may or may not be there

once again you seem to make the mistake of thinking that this is guaranteed or somehow makes up for the fact that the thing does no actual damage and puts anyone who uses it at a disadvantage unless they're facing someone who is WELL below their own level of skill, in which case it hardly matters what you're using. That's not a reasonable basis for balance, that's retarded.

>>181944421
I'm doing testing now. Firing at the torso of a sec officer.
Getting a constant 50+ damage with the 3-round-burst fire of the SMG. Always causes normal bleeding. Sometimes causes internal bleeding.
It's really dependent on how much the RNG wants to fuck you.

Similarly, I fired a burst with the AR -- did a whopping 20 damage (with bleeding) meaning 3/4 bullets were absorbed.

Going to try some headshots.

>>181943908
One well placed shot lodging into an unarmored target is enough to take them out of the round without eventual medical attention. Even with medical attention it takes someone out of the round for 5-10 minutes. Stuns are a guarenteed win if they hit, but are less spammable than assault rounds, easier to dodge, cannot break windows/grilles, and have a very limited amount of shots. Additionally, all traitors have items that work around or counter Stuns to a degree. If you are limiting your critique of the games combat to just energy and ballistic weapons, you are only looking at 5% of the picture. What makes combat fun is the diversity of items and weapons, where a robust enough clown can bring security to its knees, or a I'll prepared sec force can fend off a team of ops with luck. You are sorely mistaken if you think that we need more damage on weaponry, because you fail to acknowledge that guns are really not that important.

>>181944421
You will always end up with bleeding at the very least and broken bones and internal is very likely. Stop being a retard.

>>181926653
This happens because the server is playing each note individually and each instrument is running in its own loop. So, two instruments at once in the same area is too much and the audio system gets overwhelmed. In addition, too many notes being played at once won't work because even modern soundcards can only play a few sound sources at once.

Would be better to send the sheet music to the client and play it with JS AudioSource() instead.

>>181945293
please fix instruments. Either have a way to upload midis or some other way, the current system sucks.

if i went up to my waifu and said "i just want a feel of your booty, grab the camcorder we can make it a movie" would i get banned?

>>181945076
Doesn't the SMG have a longer burst than the AR?

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>>181944421
>>181945076
Okay, so, simple findings;
Firing a burst of SMG at someone's torso is generally a waste of ammo. If they're wearing armor nothing happens, and if they're not wearing armor it does decent damage but no fractures or anything.

Burst-firing the SMG at unprotected bodyparts (limbs!) causes fractures every time. If shitbrick mcdick is trying to tase you, aim for the arm and blast him and you've remotely disarmed him.
AR is much of the same, except torso shots to unarmored targets seem relatively effective.

Burstfire aimed at the head, even against officers wearing helmets, seems pretty effective as well.

>>181945683
MIDIs are a binary file format, and BYOND can't handle binary files.

There's converters tho.

>>181945076
Yeah. I just don't think that the viability of the SMG/assault rifle should be reliant on RNG. Actually I don't care about the SMG. The SMG can be as it is right now for all I care. The assault rifle should have something to put it on a competitive level as other widespread weaponry. I just don't see why it can't have a more immediate effect in a fight that allows it to be viable in a straight up engagement. Broken bones is cool, but it's inconsistent. Bleeding doesn't have an effect until later, and if it comes into play at all it doesn't matter if the assault rifle does enough damage to incapacitate someone in a reasonable time frame.

I don't know why people will deny that the assault rifle is in a tough spot right now; it's clear that it is. Almost nobody uses it. Most people that use it regret it. The only advocates of it are people that argue that burst fire is the way it's SUPPOSED to be used, when burst fire is a shit meme that needs to be reworked. Everything about the assault rifle needs a change so that it can be more reflective of how dangerous an awesome an assault rifle should be. They're not toys, they're dangerous and powerful weapons. The assault rifle we have doesn't reflect that. There could be some positive changes to the weapon that have almost no negative effects on the actual game, which is what matters, not some theoretical hokey about MUH INSTANT KILL

>>181945101
But guns DO need more damage. Saying that they are a small part of the game has no bearing here. They're a small part of the game that don't act how they should act. You can fine tune this small part of the game without problems.

>>181945153
>very likely

It's possible. let's not go so far as to say it's very likely, or that it usually matters too much. It'll kill people occasionally, nobody is denying that. But it doesn't stop a threat immediately, and the only effect increased damage has is an increased likelihood of stopping an immediate threat.

>>181945870
SMG is 3 shots, AR is 4. SMG does 25 damage per hit, AR does 20.

>>181945823
Only if she lets you

>>181945970
>The assault rifle should have something to put it on a competitive level as other widespread weaponry
One burst will get someone into crit if they're not tended to immediately.
Two bursts will insta-crit them and likely kill them from bloodloss.
You can dual-wield rifles to mitigate the cooldown.

In short; stop whining.

>>181945881
I thought BYOND could run MIDI natively, even lived through unsolicited admins playing shitty MIDIs

>>181945970
Gun damage is working as intended. How does increasing the damage add any value or fun to the game in its current state?

>>181946252
It can run them, but not edit them to be single instrument.

>>181946012
damn, i want to take her to dorms and get the camera out.
I actually remember a round on /vg/ where we had a pervert on the station who was taking female crew members to dorms and asking them to strip and stand on the bed where he would take photos of them.
someone stole all the photos and uploaded them to a newsaster

>>181943908
>>181944421
>Shrugged off 4, 25 damage hits
Cool so everyone is in armor which they aren't or you counted missed bullets on top of that. Oh wait, not everyone is in armor and an up to but rarely fully 75 damage burst from an smg or 80 from an AR is nothing? Cool beans, for most they need to get treated immediately. There's no reason he couldn't use a sidearm during cd other than his stupidity. That you even bring it up shows how trash you are. Even a decent shot has a high hitrate which only gets easier with any damage done. Back in the day before all this x-com billion guns for only metal then billion guns for a fraction of silver power creep you know how we killed the shit out of people? We pried up motherfucking floor tiles and we pounded bitches raw to the tune of 6 landed throws. Yes, Throws. A stun has no lasting effect and when an actually robust player on stims, stun immune, freedom implant if they go for the cuff the absolute madmen, or using ling/vamp powers stands right motherfucking up it's right back to square one. This is on top of just using cover/dodging effectively. A stun you don't nut is worthless.

After all the nerfs, the railgun is firmly out of the range of all but veteran engineers of which there's barely any. That's a far cry from pull two guns from your bag and shoot, middle mouse, shoot someone dead in less than 1.5 seconds. If you were actually robust and didn't cite things like a fucking smg not even in burst mode for why it's shit. If you were actually robust and had more experiences dropping people you would actually understand why instakills are bad so it's not a surprise you don't care about something you don't understand.

Because everything from your desire for even faster murder, your shitty underage attitude, your refusal to go play call of duty if that's what you want, thinking you're "robust" in light of what you say point to it-

>>181943908
>>181944421
Taser is a fucking meme and gets the user killed against anyone who bothers with stims, powers, or any counters really. Good luck with your taser if you're up against a cop that actually uses ED-209's

Turning every gun into a pulse rifle removes granularity, any point to armor beyond a storage slot, and headroom for counterplay from the game. if you have a problem with that, you're in the wrong place.

It's guaranteed bleed on unarmored and it's reasonably common on armored targets that aren't wearing bulletproofs


>>181945870
smg is 3x25, AR is 4x20. There's a tradeoff between absorption rate, theoretical max damage, number of projectiles vs the increased miss rate of aiming for a smaller target

>>181945970
Even at their height, there was a clear divide between people who could open lockboxes and those who couldn't. Now there's a time gate on silver delivery/getting it yourself so most people don't bother and just get the stun revolver.
Burst's do more damage in a single "shot" and are easily made and reloaded immediately than their counterparts. Sustained laser fire doesn't matter when you're cornershooting.
The AR is still cheap and effective from an objective standpoint. There is nothing to gain from making it stronger especially in light of complete denial of burst fire.

>>181945874

/datum/organ/external/chest
name = "chest"
icon_name = "torso"
display_name = "chest"
max_damage = 150
min_broken_damage = 75
body_part = UPPER_TORSO
has_fat = 1
vital = 1
encased = "ribcage"

/datum/organ/external/groin
name = "groin"
icon_name = "groin"
display_name = "groin"
max_damage = 115
min_broken_damage = 70
body_part = LOWER_TORSO
vital = 1

/datum/organ/external/r_arm
name = "r_arm"
display_name = "right arm"
icon_name = "r_arm"
max_damage = 75
min_broken_damage = 30
body_part = ARM_RIGHT

process()
..()
process_grasp(owner.r_hand, "right hand")

/datum/organ/external/r_leg
name = "r_leg"
display_name = "right leg"
icon_name = "r_leg"
max_damage = 75
min_broken_damage = 30
body_part = LEG_RIGHT
icon_position = RIGHT


/datum/organ/external/r_foot
name = "r_foot"
display_name = "right foot"
icon_name = "r_foot"
max_damage = 40
min_broken_damage = 15
body_part = FOOT_RIGHT
icon_position = RIGHT

/datum/organ/external/r_hand
name = "r_hand"
display_name = "right hand"
icon_name = "r_hand"
max_damage = 40
min_broken_damage = 15
body_part = HAND_RIGHT

process()
..()
process_grasp(owner.r_hand, "right hand")

/datum/organ/external/head
name = "head"
icon_name = "head"
display_name = "head"
max_damage = 130
min_broken_damage = 40
body_part = HEAD
var/disfigured = 0
vital = 1
encased = "skull"

>>181945970
Assault rifle used to be OP, was nerfed in two different ways at the same time, rendering it pointless as by the time you get silver for assault rifle ammo, you might as well make an SMG. Possible solution would be to make two different assault rifle ammunition types, regular and hurty. Regular would cost only metal and be as powerful as it currently is, hurty would cost the silver it currently does but deal extra damage.

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>tfw we'll never have Starbound-style instruments which don't sound like ass and can run off of .abc files
>tfw real honest to god bands will never be a thing in spess
fuck this world and fuck byond

>>181946937
Turn on burst fire and shoot a monkey human then tell me how much more you want

>>181947025
don't. It pains me when I have a perfectly good sounding .midi and the converter completely butchers it, and then the BPM isn't available so the speed is off slightly and I just give up.

>>181947078
5 more damage per shot with the higher tier ammo would put it in line with the SMG, at that point it becomes a sidegrade rather than a downgrade.

>>181947025
It takes 2 weeks casually to clear python tutorials.
Using half your space time, you'll get better at doing shit
In time you'll be able to make it
Think of how long you spent in space or any other hobby/time waster then tell me with a straight face that something productive is too hard or takes too much time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-sfG8BV8wU

>>181945874
burst fire is a dumb meme and the balance of guns shouldn't revolve around an inherently flawed mechanic. This has always been my position, but I need to point that out right now.

I see no reason why burst fire for SMGs and ARs can't be changed to be more in line with the burst fire on the gatling gun and the bee gun. It makes more sense in pretty much every way. It removes the dependence on burst fire for these two weapons, and puts burst fire for them more in like what it's ACTUALLY like in real life. Burst fire doesn't throw three shots in quick succession at the same place with a long cooldown to boot. It throws 1 shot where you're aiming and two more in a slightly different direction. Change the base damage values of the AR so that it can stand up to other weapons in an actual fight, without drastically affecting the game.

>>181946183
I won't ever stop because it's a shit mechanic that should be changed. Just because it can arguably work under very specific circumstances doesn't mean it can't be better. We shouldn't have to settle with some retard's idea to balance ballistics when we can fix them and remove this dumb mechanic

>>181946369
Okay mister oldfag, you didn't have to hit me with a bunch of bullshit anybody who's played this game for years already knows. Unfortunately literally none of what you said matters. science shouldn't even be able to make assault rifles easily tbqh it was never a good idea

>>181946494
It's cheap, but it's not particularly effective. It currently relies on a shit gimmick that is only REALLY useful under specific circumstances. There's no reason it can't be changed, and I'm sitting here wondering why it was implemented this way in the first place. I'm also wondering why there is such a vehement opposition to a minor change that does not drastically affect the game, but makes a currently underused and relatively ineffective weapon more desirable

>>181947078
How about not a reliance on burst fire?

>>181947296
Alright so stick with me here buddy
What is 25 times 4

>>181947408
Protip: Just print 4 AR's and cycle through them to get around cd. Enjoy admins bussing shit in to kill you after nobody is left alive
Because the spray on the gat/bee is a mess
Go ahead and read about the great gunsci debacle on github. In short, you'll wait until you die faggot
Because people with sense can understand that it will make a drastic difference?

>>181947454
Less than two shots from a revolver, mateba or shotgun, 10 more than a single buckshot, less than 1 shard fired from a pneumatic cannon, the same as those exact same 4 shots fired from a SMG

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>>181947721
*Slips your path*
Looks like your murder bone is over kiddo

>>181947780
smg only bursts 3.
A revolver/mateba/double barrel have to click twice
Shotgun needs to be double fisted as a bulky item or you need to pump and shoot twice

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>>181947864
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Mags stop non-lube and I've gotten used to packing the good shit for the inevitable #1 sec halocaust tool

>>181947883
>burstfire and pray your target doesn't answer back before the cooldown ends
or
>click twice

>>181948161
What is 25 times 4 please and thank you

>>181947721
Go ahead and explain specifically how it makes a drastic difference. What does it do? Make it easier to kill somebody when they're hit with bleeds and broken bones already? Gee, for all the posts in this thread, I could have sworn they'd already be dead.

And I think the whole idea of the CD is stupid. I remember one of the biggest complaints about gunsci was that every scientist had a billion guns in their bag, in part to take better advantage of burst fire, in part to never run out of ammo or have to reload. Why should we continue to put up with a mechanic that encourages that sort of behavior? That's part of why the assault rifle was changed in the first place. I don't fucking care about killing people with the assault rifle. I care that it's currently shit and the only way to make it not shit is to use a dumb fucking meme and to swap behind guns in each hand. That shit's nonsensical and dumb.

And making burst fire a mess would be more in line with reality and would make a more interesting mechanic than three shots to take out 80% of your healh unless they don't hit, then you have to wait 5 seconds to shoot again

go ahead and tell me who came up with burst fire by the way. Tell me who. Tell me you would have thought it'd be a good idea when you first heard about it. Tell me it's not a retarded substitute for the lack of damage these weapons currently have.

>>181948257
see
>>181947780

>>181948257
More than enough to kill anything that moves.

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>>181945874
>>181946183
To add to this, here's some wizards.
First pair were shot with two bursts from an AR, second pair with one burst.

>>181948389
No, it's not >>181947780
It's 100
What happens to your sprite when 100 thingamabob counters are on it

>>181948298
Downgrading what made it viable makes a drastic difference.

It still creates a differentiation between the arms without making it a useless meme. The tradeoff in damage rewards skill and reloadability plus the cd helps the vest stay relevant. The AR was changed mostly because Icantthink spammed new issues and PR's while holding his head in the sand for months until the majority of who kept up with him were asslickers with the same salt with sci as he had and was fifty times as autistic as you are but about getting shot by science when he tried to school shooter the place as antag or just greytide and nigger it up in there. The AR honestly isn't shit and kills people fine which is what baffles me about this whole thing. It already kills the fuck out of people and you have to acknowledge the cold hard reality that any buff will make that easier to do with even elss. Calling it a "dumb meme" in one hand while then saying it's currently shit reflects poorly on your skill and quite honestly your mental health. Continuing as you have been is nonsensical and dumb behavior.

If only you could hit your target, or used your sidearm instead of being a fucking idiot. Hell, just do what most of us do and setup a slip trap, burst then scoot behind it so the idiot necks himself cause he thought he was clever trying to get you while you were "helpless"

I'm not going to dig through blame logs and honestly I doubt there is an unbroken chain since it's no doubt been split merged and moved to heck and back like reagents and many other things. Feel free to open up the module and do it yourself.

>>181948590
Thank you. And that's why, No.

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>load up byond
>oh the rounds already an hour in, it should be almost over soon, ill just observe
>goes on another 90 minutes

>http://ss13.moe/index.php/poll/119

Post yfw yes wins

>>181950002
The metaclub won't allow it.

>>181950002
>tfw megamaw is going to rig it again

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>>181950001
>Join round
>Oh wow guys, there's like, 47 fuel tanks in the bridge! What treachery is this!???
>Boom boom shake the room
>The shuttle has been called.

>>181949320
You never explained why people would ever use it over the SMG which also becomes available at the same time and does more damage.

>Larry 'Limbless' Johnson [Common] (Captain) says, "OH MY GOD JC"
>Larry 'Limbless' Johnson [Common] (Captain) says, "A BOMB"
>The modified tank transfer valve slams into the reinforced window.
>Yatichitikayata [Common] (Security Officer) asks, "What, where?"
>Something bright flashes in the corner of your vision!

>>181947408
>what it's ACTUALLY like in real life
this is spess, some values are exaggerated or undervalued
>It throws 1 shot where you're aiming and two more in a slightly different direction.
all shots go for the same target in the current mode, why the fuck would you want to change that
>Change the base damage values of the AR so that it can stand up to other weapons in an actual fight, without drastically affecting the game.
there is no need to do this, just use burst fire for damage output

>it's a shit mechanic that should be changed.
it's a fine mechanic that works fine as is
>>>Just because it can arguably work under very specific circumstances
nigger i've told you this three times now, it works as intended at all times
If you shoot people with bullets and hit them in spots that aren't made out of fucking chobham kevlar space uranium bullshit they fucking die. One bullet, left untreated, will severely affect someone. One burst, untreated, kills someone fucking fast.

Why are you so fucking razed about needing one-shot-kill ranged weapons when tasers and shotguns are already exactly that?

>>181949320
It kills people fine under some circumstances. It isn't even close to being on par with the energy gun, is outclassed by laser weapons and the shotgun, and will even be dropped by 90% of people in favor of a taser. It can be made to be useful by a very specific subset of people who are better than everyone else who only use burst fire, which I will maintain is a shit mechanic that should be changed. Doing so would ONLY make it unviable if you did not also up the damage, which would place it firmly in the category of being useful at mid range engagements and actually able to stand up to tasers. Upping the damage is itself a reasonable change that hardly hurts anyone at the end of the day except people in an actual firefight with somebody using the AR.

Also, the vest would hardly be irrelevant either way. It becomes less a tool to make you invincible against ballistics when the damage is higher, but that doesn't matter. If anything, it would make the bulletproof vest which is hardly used more desirable. So that's a moot point. And nobody wants a gun that is harder to use specifically so players can say it "rewards skill"

I hardly ever used the AR by the way, just so you know you've been wrong in making these retarded assumptions this whole time. If we're going to bring up mental health, I'd say yours is in question more than mine.

>>181950405
every time

>>181950312
smg is better against armored, AR does more damage and is better against unarmored and costs less silver

I don't understand how the fuck do slimes reproduce, sometimes i feed them 2 monkeys each and they split, other times they eat like 5 monkeys but they never split. What the fuck.

>>181950537
>It kills people fine under some circumstances
Hey, you're repeating the same bullshit, so I'll repeat the same counter.

It kills people fine at all times.
You know who it doesn't kill? People wearing full-body bullet-proof armor. Makes sense, don't it?

>energytaserbitching
Yes, because the combat in this game revolves around stuns. Not ballistics, not damage, not bloodloss, not breaking bones, nothing else. Just stuns.
>Burstfire is a shit mechanic
Burstfire is what makes automatic guns viable. It's why they exist. They exist because they can burstfire. Not the other way around.
>Upping the damage hardly hurts anyone
It hurts everyone on the other side of the barrel.
The revolver is a syndie item. Matebas are relatively hard to get (this is not true, but holy fuck they should be). Shotguns have major drawbacks for their ridiculous amount of damage per slug, and buckshot is still really lethal at close range.

Get it through your thick skull that ranged brute damage is hazardous as FUCK if used right, and is easily on par with ranged burn damage.

>I hardly ever used the AR by the way
Why are you bitching about things you don't know how to use?

>>181950997
the longer they're not fed, the hungrier they get
gotta be on top of your game for it to take 1 monkey each time

>playing on laptop
>the ? key doesn't work in Byond
>have to instead CTRL+C CTRL+V it

>new shift
>tator
>oh boy
>another atmos tech shows up and says something
>forget I had copied my tator PDA code
>ask him "So, what are you going to do278 Delta"
>silence

>>181950889
It's only better against unarmoured that are also standing still, spreading the damage over more shots increases the chance of one missing

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>>181951179
holy shit

>>181951179
LOL

>>181951179
kek

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God bless mommi autism

>>181951421
>that
>autism
Crabs are on the decline.

>>181950446
>all shots go for the same target in the current mode, why the fuck would you want to change that

because it's dumb.

>there is no need to do this, just use burst fire for damage output

there's no need to keep a dumbass mechanic like burst fire either, but we still have it. It's not a question of need, but what's ultimately desirable. And to say that I need one shot kill ranged weapons misses the point. It could do more damage and down someone in three hits and make it a viable alternative against someone with a taser. Burst fire doesn't do that except where you have an easy shot against someone who can't use cover or dodge. Which is working as intended, obviously, it's the drawback to actually being able to do damage with a weapon that should be able to kill people.

>>181950889
In what world does this make sense? Who thinks this is a good idea?

good round

>restarting 30 seconds before start
Ban coders and admins

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>>181951179

w-what
why did you reboot the server
it was the first time in quite a while that I managed to join before roundstart

>>181951729
The hotfix for the infinite energy guns didn't get in for that round so I forced restarted it.
It was either that or I admin announce and warn everyone with a ban if they exploit it for the round.

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>When your favorite sec teammate stops playing
Awful feel

>>181951807
>banning fun

>>181951869
What's his name?

>>181951179
>not just adding a random string of numbers and a word after every sentence from then on
>not roleplaying as being a synthetic man trying to blend in with human society
>not using your traitor roll to "malfunction" and start killing when people question your weird strings following sentences

>>181951179
and then after you died I grabbed your PDA, unlocked it, and didn't buy anything because I spent all shift strugling to fix atmos

>>181951807
>banning for abusing bugs