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Is it August yet edition

FAQ:
https://pastebin.com/0S9SiFtH

Latest News & Patch Notes:
https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/news

Latest Released Hero - Wraith
https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/heroes/wraith
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiaWQy-JBhA

2nd Latest Released Hero - Wukong
https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/heroes/wukong
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yedw6bStSAE

MMR Tracking (community) & Other Information:
https://agora.gg/
https://paragon.gg/

More Hero Build Info:
https://paragondb.info/calc
http://paragon.wikia.com/wiki/Paragon_Wiki

User IDs: https://pastebin.com/tMqksTK4

/parag/ OC:
https://pastebin.com/ZaedWcma
https://i.imgur.com/FdxOJhs.png

Previous Thread:
>>181264098
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>>181790176
This guy knows how to make a general.
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First for best girl
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Actual thread with less useless autistic bullshit in the OP:

>>181782598
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>>181790375
what is the state of your life that you shitpost about a beta game everyday on a cambodian basket weaving forum
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>>181790503

Dude, if you have a problem with actual graphics, you have no fucking business playing this game. Go back to SHITE or your clicker trash.
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Is this the 4th or 5th thread in a row? Either way, good job /parag/
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>>181791010
last thread was 4 if we can hit #5 with this one its like we're really a general now
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You guys were so wrong about Wraith.
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>>181791710
everyone thought he would suck dick and he sucks dick so i dont know what you mean
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>>181791710
Shhh let them believe they're right while I go 20-3 and do 1,300 a shot with knock knock
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>>181790375
stop shitting up the thread, kill yourself before you perma-kill these threads for another 5 months
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>>181792168
Belive me I know Wraith isn't shit /parag/ just doesn't want to admit when they are wrong.
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>>181792404

If I didn't want to discuss actual graphics, I wouldn't be in a Paragon thread.
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>>181791617
not the best sign if we're dying already
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>>181795983
It's always dying. It never actually does though, cause if you noticed in the previous threads, like a third of the posts are just "bump" or some variation of that

bump
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>>181795983
I'll show what isn't dying

*unzips cock*
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>>181791710
>>181792168
>>181792483
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how does remove sound from webms
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>>181799491
ffmpeg -i "video.webm" -c:v copy -an "output.webm"

Get WebM for Retards if you don't know what the above line means.
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night /parag/ try to be alive when i wake up
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Bump in the thread
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Give me fun comps to run while we wait for NuParagon.
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>>181802947
what the fuck do you think; anon
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>>181803784
forgot pic
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>>181802947
All 5 supports. Can't lose if they can't kill you.
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>>181804120
Riktor jungle, Steel mid, Phase supp, Muriel off, Dekker adc?
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Bamp
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>be smite refugee
>smite is dying
>this is the only alternative
>doesnt even feel half as fun

what now?
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>>181817045
wait for august.
Also how is smite dying? Did hirez finally abandon it for their next project? If so, join me brother. I learned many moons ago, with the destruction of global agenda.
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Is Incessant Onslaught enabled again? Because Shinbi is.
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Bamperoni
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Wtf i can't play a game?

Everytime my team is full of shitters, i have to dodge.

Everytime my team is not full of shitters, somebody else dodges.

I'm banned for 20 minutes now because i didn't want to play without a carry and without a jungler...
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>>181820776
that tends to happen when you're the shitter. just carry your entire team bro.
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>tfw too lazy to play but gonna have to if I want my chance at the Mega Vault coveted 600 Shrapnel
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>>181824357
>too lazy to play
kek
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>>181825918
All right, fine: the game broke me. You fucking happy now?
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>>181827380
I-i'm sorry.

I feel you, friend.
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>>181824357
I got 5 card packs for this weeks lol
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>>181830709
>crates aren't worth shit because you're just likely to get Undertow Gideon: Minor Skin Variant: Colour Variant: Puke Brown than anything you might actually want
>chests aren't worth anything because they're 90% cards, rep and crafting materials that all become redundant at the same time
>"Mega" Vault odds are shit, you're just getting rep and materials again
I know you need to make money, Epic, but come the fuck on.
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>>181832504
the mega vault doesn't even make sense, you can't buy the skins or play loot crate roulette for them so they're not gaining any money by locking them and giving up card packs or other trash
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>>181790336
poor morifag even the post order system discriminates against you
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>>181832905
It does make me wonder why they're locking some nice skins behind there instead of just dumping some of the rare ones from the store in the top spots: I can imagine a lot of the player base willingly handing out 10 currency easy for Magma Grux.
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>>181797834
i like to disguise my bumps by shitposting or waifuposting in the hopes it creates discussion

on that note which girl has the best eyes
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>>181839947
Countess.
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>>181839947
Better question: which girl has the best bumps?
I leave it to each of you to individually decide what that means for yourselves.
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>>181839947
Serath has definitely beautiful eyes.

I know you guys won't like to hear that, but Phase has nice eyes, too.
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>>181840947
There is nothing about Phase that isn't a rancid pile of flaming garbage.
She doesn't even have an ass ffs.
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I thought things would get better when I was in plat
>still getting teammates who feed and dc
>people still have the map awareness of a rock
>still getting people doing shit like phase mid, muriel jungle, crit greystone
>0/7 rampage, 2/12 phase, 1/7 sev, 0/9 wukong

why don't things ever get better
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>>181843616
Critstone works if the jungler builds tank, but yeah, things are bad all over. Fingers crossed for a ranked mode (or at least that much-talked-about matchmaking overhaul) in August.
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>finally get the three keys login reward
>a variant of a Sparrow skin that I already have but don't use
>Shockpoint banner
>Doomsday Steel, AKA the worst skin in the game
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>>181844729
be sure to keep loging in for your reward of 500 crafting materials
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>>181843616
>>181844329
phase related boosting and the influx of new players in lower leagues for people to beat up on has made low plat the new silver. you have to get to around 1600 now if you want even slightly playable games
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>>181844329
someone last thread was trying to say it was a bad thing if they implemented ranked and had a requirement of L50 and so many heroes mastered at L10, but I think that's actually a good idea.
I know mastery essentially means nothing, but at the least the person had the autism to stick to one hero for so long so they must know somewhat how to play
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does anyone else have the game freeze at random times for 10+ seconds if they play it through steam?
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>>181850352
Through steam?
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>>181848784
just as a little proof heres a conversation that happened on my smurf while we waited for the lobby to time out after someone dodged
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>>181848794
I didn't mean to imply it was a bad thing inherently, but simply that forcing it to that level of requirement means that unranked would continue to be the retarded cesspool of tryhards mixed with absolute "who cares its just a game LOL" shitheads that it is now.
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>>181843616
what's wrong with crit greystone? What should he be building to try and be able to hold the lane more than 2 minutes?
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>>181856268
What does crit have to do with early-game? You're not building crit right away, are you?

Critstone can work, but only if you have someone else to frontline. Since his ult regens a fixed percentage, it's a lot more useful when you build health.
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>>181848794
It would be fine if the requirement was rather lvl 6 or 7 with a set number of heroes. Lvl 10 just takes too fucking much grinding, only like 1% of the whole community or less would be even able to play ranked then.
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>>181860335
>only like 1% of the whole community or less would be even able to play ranked then.
good less than that % is actually good at the game
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>>181861975
Ranked wouldn't fix shit then though, because you would have to wait half a fucking day to find anyone to play and it would be the same people all the time, while unranked would still be utter retardfest
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Are you not supposed to pick "New" when you smurf? Jesus Christ you have to play like 15 coop games before you can play PVP
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>>181862609
thats already what happens once you get close to the internal mmr. i always know when im approaching the cap because my queue times go from 4-5 minutes to 10+
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How many people are actually playing this game? Looks nice and all but probably deader than smite
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>>181863652
NAh the cross-play between ps4 and pc actually makes it pretty damn lively all hours of the night and day. Takes only 30-40 seconds to find a match in high gold and low plat. 10 second matchups isn't unusual in silver either.
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>>181863652
I never have problems finding a game, if that's what you mean. It's apparently harder to get a game at the highest mmr, though.
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>>181863652
considering it a beta game which is currently shit and it has no advertising at all it pretty lively. unless you're 1600+ you'll get matches within 2 minutes max most of the time

>>181863334
no you pick experienced it used to let you play pvp instantly but now you just have to grind less. they massively decreased the XP on bot games though so it still takes a bunch of matches no matter what you pick
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>>181852417
What the fuuuuuccck
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>>181852417
I had a Phase complaining in chat that the carry was boring them by not pushing and taking forever to kill minions. The guy was a smurf that ruined the enemy team, so hopefully the Phase was paying attention to what they were doing.
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>>181867989
how hard is shinbi to learn? Is she REALLY so bad that it's not worth playing her?
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>>181867989
it he was playing sparrow it was probably me
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>>181870117
>>181867989
I just had a really similar game.

The Phase was complaining about Sparrow, so she went to the offlane to help our Kwang, leaving Sparrow alone on the Safe lane.
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i need a searth gf
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>>181875838
Me too.
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I wasn't even mad at this, I was impressed.
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>>181876661
The enemy team comp is really good so i'm not surprised. Wraith is a fucking monster with the knock knock buff in .1
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>>181863652
matchmaking is absolutely fucked at higher elos, otherwise it's pretty alive
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>>181840947
>tfw I unironically like Phase and I still get hyped from her trailer
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>>181869554
It's not that she's bad; it's that other heroes do what she does, but better
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>>181878143
>>181869554
shinbi isn't bad her 1v1 game is almost as good as serath. her problems are that 1v1 fights almost never happen past early game which is the same problem every assassin in this game has and is the reason none of them get picked, and that her ult will never work because stasis gem
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>>181839947
bae
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Anyone got a coherent tier list?
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>>181882327
nothings changed post update because the update didn't do anything
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The gideon change was so simple, but I've killed lots more people with it because they try and jump out of it but because of the pull increase they just get sucked right back in.


Ive played gideon more times this past week than I have since I started playing last year.
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>>181876101
>that nose
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Anyone else lagging horribly in game right now? So glad the ping counter doesn't work. Good job epic.
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>>181876748
>Wraith is a fucking monster
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>>181889160
this game has been laggy for months now for me despite the ping always saying its less than 60.
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Am I the only one who likes the inquisitor gideon skin? The skelly is okay but I think the inquisitor skin is a better aesthetic
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sparrow is a qt
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>>181876748
It's not the team comp, it's the difference in elo. I only lost 1 for losing that match.
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cam is sleeping post your ideas for character reworks
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>>181901554
fuck you say, faggot?
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>>181903610
I was just mentioning how much I love the Phase balance changes sir they've completely shaken the game up and made every match a contest of pure skill.
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>>181792168
>1,300 a shot with knock knock
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>>181817045
Download "Master x Master" from NCsoft
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>>181860335
Level 40 or higher requirement because at this time, you should have most of the cards you need with 7 or 8 heroes up to level 5 would be perfect
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bedtime bump
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>>181903610
Riktor's pull should go on a reduced cooldown if he doesn't grab anything. Not no cooldown, just not the full 14 seconds.

And for the love of god, can it pass through minions instead of pulling them?
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>>181912685
or maybe you could
--------------git gud-----------
faggot


i agree though
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if I'm playing offlane, how do I prevent wukong from pushing my towers?
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>>181915642
>offlane
>wukong
eh? In any case you should have a character that's got an okay amount of waveclear. Like greystone or countess or wraith or wukong yourself.
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>>181913161
>spoiler image
>file name of common thread meme
do better
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>>181916459
I never knew you could still see that until right now
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>>181909128
Agreed
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>>181915642
Used to be you could use superior sustain to poke the ADC out of lane.

Until they remove Phase, not a whole lot. Call for ganks, try to kill one or the other.

You could also buy Portal Stone, but it's a little pricey.
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>>181883530
Yeah, people were calling it a nerf in the patch notes as if you couldn't just walk out of his ult before.
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>>181870472
There are two things in this game that piss me off immensely and in equal measure:
>when the support isn't supporting me as the carry and the enemy team fucking knows it/ they just go help the offlaner or something
>as the offlaner, when the support or jungler show up in your lane before minions have spawned because they're going to "help"
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>>181848794
>I know mastery essentially means nothing, but at the least the person had the autism to stick to one hero for so long so they must know somewhat how to play
You would think, wouldn't you?
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>tfw deleted all of the "friends" on my friends list except for the two irl friends who quit months ago
>tfw no longer have to scramble to set my profile to "away" each time I launch
>tfw don't have to worry about minor wifi drops causing "away" to reset to "online" for whatever fucking reason
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>>181924638
When this happens I try my best to stay alive (as adc) and ping good job whenever the support dies
>Salty Support Shitter: "I'm the support, I sacrificed myself so [insert hero here] could get away"
>"Good Job; Feed More"
>sss: "That's why I'm not going to help you for the rest of the match noob"
>sss dies again; reason doesn't matter
>ping 'Good Job'
It feels so good to let loose against shitters since I'm so encouraging in general
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>>181925203
I got so pissed at some BR saying he was gonna report me that I started spamming good job so hard every time I came off the cd that my entire team fucking left the match. It felt wonderful.
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>>181925352
>I started spamming good job so hard every time I came off the cd that my entire team fucking left the match
Jesus
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>>181925616
I'm amazed I didn't get banned for it. It happened like 10 months ago now so I figure it would have happened if it was going to. It was during that faggy halloween event where the game was filled with faggots advertising their twitch channel before during and after every single god damned match. Some BR kallari was feeding while playing offlane, and I was playing sev in the jungle, but I died once trying to help them not get raped immediately after showing up at tower, and they fucking lit up the entire chat with a bunch of spanish which bothered me more since I speak spanish but not portuguese and so I said "fine, report me." and spammed good job when he died, and every time he said something in chat, till I just got really pissed, sat in base, and spammed good job till they all quit. that kallari stopped playing like a week later too, I don't know what came over me.
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>>181925352
>that my entire team fucking left the match.
Next level anti-shitter tactics right there
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>>181925903
>report them for afking afterwards
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>>181925851
>I don't know what came over me
I could make a reasonable guess.
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Pre-game bump
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>>181925903
how do I kill Wukong
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>>181790176
ebin's got the okay to bring in a character from any/your favorite video game.
Who do they bring in?
What are the character's abilities?
Why?
You also get to have an honorable mention character by name only.

I'll start:
>Baiken; Guilty Gear series
>fighter assassin type
>Samurai Trap Door-Mat! - knock up stun
>Air Dash - passive
>Slice n' Dice! - button can be pressed up to 3 times, landing hits gives slash-stacks to enemy (max stack of 9), but damage only happens if you allow her to sheathe her katana after any hit, which requires an instant idle animation
>Ult - Samurai's Mettle - If attacked when in counter state/animation, Player can choose between attacking/ not attacking
>attacking will return 65% of damage back to enemy; but at the cost of a lengthy badass animation which can be punishable by a quick enemy
>not attacking will get Baiken to take only 65% of all incoming damage but attacker(s) will automatically gain 3 stacks

Honorable Mention: Gray Fox; Metal Gear solid
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>>181930847
I like Baiken's breasts, therefore this is a good post.
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>>181930715
The most success I've had against wukong's is as greystone (if not playing wukong myself) and I'd just run right up to him and keep smacking him. I'd circle and orbit around him while making him retreat so that I wouldn't get hit by his clones.
Wukong in general doesn't have alot of health (at least not supposed to if played correctly)
So it's safe to say that wukong is supposed to be squishy, which means that you
1.either have a shit ton of health to fight him
2.never fight him alone
3.don't let him backdoor your inhibs or the Orb Prime (which is really just good team-play at this point)
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pumb
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>>181931197
Same.
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>>181930847
I'm playing Hyper Light Drifter, seems like he'd be a solid addition to the cast:
>Shinbi-style dashes
>sword main weapon, gun ability
>Wukong style switching changes gun type, killing minions with sword refills ammo
>passive lets you refill ammo/ health depending on current style by dashing through ranged attacks
>ult is his grenade or something, I don't know
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Is there anything worse than an enemy team with a Phase that escorts their jungler or Greystone non-stop?
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Wish me luck, fellas.
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>>181930847
>Ciri
>hybrid fighter
>basically her Witcher 3 abilities
>Blink Slash - Lock on to enemy before blinking in and attacking then returning. Deals basic damage and can crit. Button can be held to lock on to more than one enemy but you cannot move during this time
>Fireball - AOE cast directly on Ciri's location. Huge damage but also damages her if she's hit by it.
>Dash Strike - Straight line charge range increased longer its held
>Ult - Her end game power so an instant win and team wipe but Phase exists so fuck balance anyway

Her abilities would be fun to combo and she's canonically a lesbian or at least bi so she'll make a great addition to the bush crew.
>You also get to have an honorable mention character by name only
Jill Valentine
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>>181937363
phase existing
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>>181840724
mommy bumps are best bumps
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So, why was I put in against a 4 stack AND given a team of solos that added up to a lower overall Elo?
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>>181947043
because our gen is dying and it hurts
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>>181940505
I fucking love Ciri she is so sexy.
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>Sparrow leaves game due to me ignoring him
>enemies push to core completely
>they back off and die one by one while Khai and Wukong push left
>Win

That was nice.
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>>181916264
>>181919963
I have no problem living against the ADC/phase or sometimes another support combo
I'm talking about after the duo switches lanes and I'm vs the wukong, or when he starts split pushing it is my responsibility as the offlaner to stop him while my team 4v4s the other team

I usually play offlane greystone, and I build him mostly tanky with a bit of damage/thunder cleaver/radiant mantle
But like I said in my earlier post, if i try to stop the minion wave from even getting near the t2/inhib, the minions+wukong just destroy my health. If I let the minion wave get TO the tower, then wukong just takes it in under 4 seconds.
I just do not understand how to stop the monkey?
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>>181953409
monkey man isn't durable and you're greystone you should be winning a 1v1. you're either not farming enough to be competitive or you're hanging back and letting him build up massive minion waves that tilt the odds in his favor
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>>181950242
I don't think it's dying, I think we just had a burst of activity for a while there and it spoiled us. Until Epic flip the switch and the game is "on" (getting promoted, not a complete clusterfuck, etc.), this is how it will be.
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What's the verdict on Wraith? He's a Caster but plays a bit like a ADC.
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>>181956310
If you are playing wraith as an ADC you are god damn retarded. Take him mid because his knock knock and rewind are busted as hell right now. His ward is mediocre at best and ult is trash. Go mid build fuck loads of power and enjoy mini 1800murdock
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>>181790176
I don't know what's more tilting about this game.
>Solo Que: Full of decent players acting like douche bags and trolling the whole pick phase in order to do whatever selfish thing they want instead of taking the draft dodge or going to Solo vs AI.
>Five made in paragon community discord: Full of shit players who all think they know what they're doing, complain nearly every game so they clog up chat with things like OMG PHASE WHY WERENT YOU SUPPORTING ME IN JUNGLE SO I COULD TAKE THE WHOLE TEAM 1v5.

Seriously is this game supposed to get good at some point or am I just going to be bathing in salt the whole fucking time.
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>>181950705
>I fucking love Ciri she is so sexy.
This.

>mfw neither fucked Triss nor Yennefer, but don't regret it
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I'm terrified of what August is going to do to him, /parag/.
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>>181958151
I think this is what they call a "moba".
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Community Corner soon, right?
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>>181960775
We will nerf him, but it will be well deserved.

His abilities do way to much damage for such a tanky character. Maybe we make the mana costs significantly higher.

Phase on the other hand needs a buff, after we ruined her with the recent patch. She should be able to take down a hero like Kwang in a 1vs1 in late game.
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can they hurry up and axe this shitty card system already
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>>181964009
If they add an item system instead, i'll leave and play lol instead to be honest.
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>>181964009
>>181964341
they already said decks aren't going anywhere
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>>181963570
Hi Cam glad to see you here in our fine general was just wondering if you have any plans to buff Tainted Magik? I feel like taking only 25% of an enemies health after you hit them with a high skill intensive move like Phase's beam or Morigesh's Hive isn't enough
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>>181956112
The general has always been slow but we're miles ahead of where we were even a month ago. We may need bumps and have slow days where we barely get 20 posts but we're on the 5th consecutive thread compared to when we'd barely get to 100 posts in a thread before they died and no one even cared enough to make a new one for sometimes an entire day. We're on our way /parag/ I credit the bush and Cam memes
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>>181964009
What issue do you brainlets have with the card system please explain. I for one love it and I don't want some stupid fucking branching item tree fuckery like every other MOBA
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>>181972980
This.
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Every fucking game.

EVERY. FUCKING. GAME.

WHY IS IT THAT THESE OFFLANE NIGGERS NEVER GROUP AND INSIST ON PUSHING. DO THEY HONESTLY THINK THEY'RE CONTRIBUTING WHEN THE ENEMY TEAM IS ALWAYS AS FIVE IN A ROTATION AND MURDERING US BECAUSE IDIOT A ON GREYSTONE THINKS HIS CXP MATTERS?
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>>181975385
A good offlaner is more than a split pusher (unless they're Wukong): sorry you got such shitty teammates, anon.
While we're on the subject: I miss pre-Phase Offlane. Used to be I could make a damn good go of holding the lane, now I'll be lucky to keep it for 10 minutes at the absolute most, and that's with jungle rotation.
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>>181940505
I've been meaning to buy the Witcher 3 for the longest but couldn't decide if I should play through ff15 first or after.
Trying to do the 'save the best for last kind of thing,' I bought ff15 first. Did I make the right decision?
>>181950705
I love Ciri's name and I saw one cutscene with her that made me want to buy the Witcher after knowing nothing about the game
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>>181977016
They're both pretty fucking mediocre desu. FFXV has a really barren open world but at least you can get some enjoyment out of the combat (not much though, it's not deep at all), witcher 3 is pretty much the polaro pposite. Good amount of shit to do, story is cool, but the gameplay is absolutely atrocious, borderline unplayable.
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This game just doesn't feel fun anymore. I can't tell what it is outside of shit matchmaking, but there's just something in it that makes playing this game hell.
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>>181977525
That's what I've heard. I figured I'd get my combat fix from ff15 and other games and put on the witcher whenever I was in the mood for a good/comfy story. Thanks anon
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>>181978145
All of our testers really enjoy the game, so we don't really understand your situation.

But if you are not able to enjoy the game anymore, make sure to try different heroes. Or play the heroes on unusual positions.
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>>181978145
Phase
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>>181978694
hey faggot answer me >>181967697
or im only gonna pick 1 carry next match
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>>181978328
>>181977525
>>181977016
Everything in the Witcher is so much better than FF15. I still regret that i actually paid money for that game.

On the other hand i even bought the dlc's for The Witcher, even though i am a stingy fucker.
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>>181978836
Sorry that you had to wait so long for the reply.

Off course we will buff the card "Tainted Magik". There is a reason we nerfed Phase and Morigesh. Because in the new huge gamechanging update the cards will have significantly more influence on the game.
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pre loss bump
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>>181979569
thanks i was finishing my phase matches only 2nd on the team in overall damage done glad to see she's getting the buffs she needed
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>>181983846
I like that, I'm stealing that.
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Would you guys recommend using a keyboard and mouse on console? Or just the controller, or is there a hybrid mix of the two ways of controlling it. I hooked up my keyboard and mouse to my console and it seemed to play just fine but it felt like there was a slight input lag on the mouse movements and that made it feel really awkward.
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>>181985431
you don't have to steal it anon
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>>181986502
Try a few games against bots to see how it works for you.

That's what i did.
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>>181986502
there's some weird acceleration on mouse input that delays it, yeah. I'd recommend using a controller and cranking the sensitivity up a bit.
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>>181979098
I stopped playing ff15 at like chapter 8 cause I heard what was waiting up ahead before the patches/updates. Apparently now it's better and worth most of the money people paid for it.
Either way I've still got an interest in the witcher and it's only $40 for the complete edition, so 'why not both' I guess ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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>>181988371
This
I've yet to try out Mouse/controller cause I'm lazy but I raised my sensitivity a good amount to hit them bush snipes on like, day one
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>>181975656
there's people that are okay with lance having the range that it does and i can only assume these people have never offlaned in their lives
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As someone who has played junglers/ADC characters, i've stopped having fun with the game


Is there anyone that has a great support or tank build that I could use? I wanna stave off the stagnation I'm feeling by playing a different role.
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>>181972980
The problem i have with it is that its 100% bad for new players, and seem people can just have better decks than you if they've played longer due to card unlocks.

That said its still way less shit than a one size fits all item shop, but HotS wins as far as these kind of things go.

Paragon still feels lke the best moba tho, if everyone had all the cards, it would blow other mobas outa the water desu. or just less shitty basic decks
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>>181989356
Thicc rampage
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Gaurdians ward
Whirling wand
Tuned barrier
Thermobond
Tempered plate
Madpore sash

You can literally do anything and go anywhere u want on the map. He is playmaker supreme
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>>181989356
Is life feeling hard?
PLAY SOME NAR!
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>>181790375
Fuck you you piece of shit goddamnit are you trying to get back you son of a bitch fuck you nigger faggot
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>>181991018
Kekked pretty good, and i've been thinking about playing some narbash too.

Would I add mana and a chrono disc or something? And is damage the way to go with him or is it only CC that you need to worry about?
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why wouldn't they surrender? we were slaughtering them.
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>>181991534
I've been using this https://agora.gg/deck/136049/narbash-md with a good amount of success, but I suppose it's out of date
I think I'm gonna try https://agora.gg/deck/221014/faerchs-narbash-drop-the-thunk
Or this one https://agora.gg/deck/209118/narbash-tank--support

In general I'd suppose you build mana, health, and armor. Again, I'm no expert on building decks, but before Phase came along I was very successful with decks like those
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ebin bump
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It's nice to see you guys are still alive. Hope the dude who went to war survives and comes home to his nerfed rev
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>>181990072
Holy shit


It worked a lot better than expected
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>back to back victories with 20+ kill margins
almost makes up for going -75 in elo
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Community Corner when?
I need my weekly dose of Cameron promising to kill the game with his shitty ideas and guidance.
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>>181997117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEMfivFj5xE
>1 hour ago
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>>181997117
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEMfivFj5xE
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>>181995432
Hes been getting me places. I was stuck in low plat for so long before i started taking charge with rampage
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>>181998021
>>181998024
>no more card points
wew lad
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>>181998024
>we want to eliminate the correct build
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>>181997117
>>181998021
>>181998024
they really want to ruin the game don't they?
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ba54d01599604d959b4adad33f645b9d


This was the closest game i've ever had, and we pulled out a win somehow.
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>>181998021
>>181998024
oh boy i cant wait to play 3rd person dota this will surely save the game
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>>181998024
>20 minutes
hell naw, somebody post a tldr please
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>>182003182
"we've stripped everything from the game that made it even remotely different from dota and league! Now there's no reason to ever play paragon, enjoy! Also phase buff."
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>muriel can be overpowered in situations we have to be careful with her
>phase is balanced
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>>182003182
Muriel: She's not good because it's hard to target her ult, UX changes needed.

CP: Gone, replaced with new currency system. There's no more cap on currency, so a team can snowball even harder.

Wards: Too cheap/plentiful. Make stealth more useful by making wards rarer.

Cards: 100+ different effects. One is "Enter shadow plane for 3 seconds after moving through a shadow wall"

Affinities: Each have effects unique to their affinity. Renamed intellect to knowledge, corruption to death, fury to chaos because MUH LORE
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>>182004663
They really don't know what the fuck they are doing. I thought it was a meme.
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>>182004663
>Affinities: Each have effects unique to their affinity. Renamed intellect to knowledge, corruption to death, fury to chaos because MUH LORE
i honestly thought they were going to do away with affinities
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>>182004841
>I thought it was a meme.
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>>182004663
>no cap on currency
so they're getting rid of cards too? There's no reason to have cards if you're not gonna limit people to buying 60cp of stuff, since people will just dump the most powerful cards in their deck till they have all 6+5+5+5 items
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>>182004841
>I thought it was a meme.
this general literally puts more effort into creating headcannon about the girls pubic hair than epic does on making this game
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>>182005661
thats not how cards work anymore they don't cost X points with X point upgrades they cost random amounts of "gold" depending on what they do. its just an exact copy of an item shop from other games only shittier because they're not removing decks so it can't even work
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>>182004663
You know I was just saying that Ebin would just change the game into every other moba because "lol and dota do it haha" but I can't believe they've really done this.
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>>182006325
so there's not even upgrades? I really don't understand decks then. It doesn't make any sense to have a deck at all. Why do they want to kill this game so badly. I loved it in alpha and early beta. Fuck it's gotten so bad.
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>>182006601
they didn't go into specifics but cam was talking about how you have to decide whether you want a card that give 10 of a stat but 7 of another one you dont need or 7 of a stat and only 3 of one you dont need but has a worse effect. im guessing they're removing upgrade cards entirely
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>>182004841
>They really don't know what the fuck they are doing. I thought it was a meme.
>anon didn't realize
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So here's the real question: will reddit like this change? Our opinion doesn't matter.
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>>182007173
its over
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>>182007173
reddit will like the change at first and then realize it fucks up everything and bitch for a month until ebin says they're gonna fix everything and then reddit will go right back to deepthroating them until they realize they didn't fix anything and then bitch for a month until ebin says they're gonna fix everything and the cycle continues
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>>182007481
I swear Leddit ruins EVERY game I enjoy.
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So... do I open my chests and crates or not?
I'm thinking not since the chance at "5 CARD PACKS SUPER RARE LUCKY YOU!" may seem to happen less after August
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>>182008060
Wait. We don't even know how shit's going to function. It may come to light that everyone's cards are getting auto dismantled and they're getting a rep stipend for every card that was, or they may just replace certain cards with other cards (which may be a bad thing). it's worth waiting and holding on to that shit.
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>cam killed the game before any of the good waifus could have porn made
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>>182010073
>countess
>a bad waifu
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>>182010861
cuntess can't even compare to the holy bush trio
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>>182007173
>>182007481
its dead
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>>182012195
like this general
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>>182012195
Why don't people understand that removing the unique things removes the players who would rather play a further advanced more defined game that fits in the generic constraints of a MOBA (like smite) though? Like, what reason should I pick paragon over smite once this thing launches, how about over mxm? cyphers?
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>>182012195
Jesus Christ
Delusional optimism causes more harm and leddit doesn't even realize it
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nightly bump
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wake up nigga, wake up. it's time to get this paper.

when does the new update that destroys Paragon come out?
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>>182024101
In about a month.
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>>182024101
Augustâ„¢
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phase is ruining this game.
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>>182025564
My biggest issue with phase is that it's literally negated any other support in the entire game. You will get flamed to absolute fuck and back if you pick ANY support but phase.
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>>181989536
It's not though. You can make viable decks for low level play with basic cards and new players shouldn't have to care about muh meta definying cards yet anyway. And collecting cards is fun. If anything, I think that having to browse through millions of items in the middle of match is much worse and more confusing than just choosing them in peace in the menu, especially when you don't have to worry about all of them in the beginning yet.
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GOD FUCKING DAMN IT GUYS, THEY'RE REALLY GOING TO KILL THIS GAME
C-can we do anything about it? A petition or something? Friendly posts on leddit making those retards realise how shitty Ebin's changes are? ANYTHING?
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>>182027031
Nope. Enjoy the memories. I still play but I really stopped having fun after they removed orb dunking, travel mode was kinda shitty so i'm glad that got removed but the map change... Nah.
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>>182027031
We can only voice our opinions on Reddit after the update drops. Gotta support each other though because the redditors will down vote you for speaking bad on Ebin
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>>182027748
Yeah, this will have to be an organized action. We'll have to venture to this acursed site together comrades
We need to get Superville back
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Angry bamp
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hiHnvggx5aM
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>>182012195
God damn it.
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The update is really good, reddit already confirmed it to us.

If you don't like it, stop playing the game. We don't care about you 6 people in this thread, while the whole reddit community is supporting our actions.
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https://agora.gg/profile/6110401/4K%20Kaution
https://agora.gg/profile/6110373/4K%20Lusc
Okay, at first this was kind of impressive, but now it just seems really autistic. It also highlights how fucking broken Phase is, as if we didn't already know.
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>>182033584
if community input mattered, league of legends and dota would have died years ago. The community doesn't know what it wants. Ever.
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Should i even continue playing this game?

Or should i look for a new game?
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>>182034198
depends. They're not releasing more info or immediately trying to recover so it seems like they're actually going to make this change, if it soundsappealing, stick with it. I'd advise you to not spend any (more) money on it though, this is the sort of shit that serves as a death blow to a game that's already struggling to find an identity in an absolutely overflowing MOBA market.
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Let's just...wait and see.
Maybe they won't completely destroy the game with August, you never know. It's entirely possible that it will improve things.
...right?
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>>182035228
no, this change they just teased is actually a sign that they haven't listened to any of the complaints they've gotten over the last 12 months. Instead of trying to fix things that were wrong with the game, they've instead removed those things entirely and stripped the game free of it's unique content. They're taking it's corpse and they're now shooting it repeatedly for no reason at all, just to make sure it stays dead. So soon after they just started getting a proper competitive scene set up, they're going to just totally fucking annihilate any semblance of a meta? Retarded, absolutely retarded. That's the reason no major team will dedicate their time to paragon.
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>>181790176
Who are the strongest female characters in this game besides Phase?

Looking for new waifus to add masteries.
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>>182038043
kallari, the fey, dekker, shinbi
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>>182039654
Don't forget Muriel.
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>>182038043
>>182039654
>>182039654
kallari is shit Gadget, Aroura and Seraph are good, Lt Belica aint bad either.
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>>182042385
>Kallari is shit
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>>182043048
INSTANT DODGE, YOU FUCKER
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>>181790176
Does anyone actually use Crunch?
It's like so what if you can you combos when you're pretty much medocre at anything and end up getting your shit constantly fucked by a Khaimera or pretty much anyone who isn't complete shit like Steel or Kallari or something.
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>>182044948
I mean to say Steel and Kallari are shit if my post is confusing.
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Something I realised when playing as Twin earlier: when I'm playing carry, I'm too aware of how squishy I am, and I let it influence how I play (I don't make as many "plays" as I would if I werer using Kwang, say). I realise that I still need to be a presence on the map so it's not a 4v5 until I hit my power spike, but I'm also well aware of the fact that I need to be farming constantly and that dying is the worst thing I can do.
tl;dr - How do I make plays as a carry (initiate and win fights, push lanes/ take objectives) without getting rekt at every turn?
In solo q, no less.
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>>182038043
belica is the best overall character in the game currently outside of fuckshit broken heroes like phase or rev
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>>182045052
If a Crunch is getting fucked by a Kallari, they're doing it wrong.
Steel maybe (because of all of his ability armour basically negating Crunch's combo), but I've never seen that fight happen, so who knows?
Crunch is for bursting down single squishy targets, and late game being the tankiest fucker on the team.
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>>182045286
no one in soloQ knows how to p[lay support and that got magnified after phase so you dont. just farm and look to win that one big fight late and win the game off it unless you're almost 100% sure you wont die in a fight beforehand
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>>182045357
She isn't. Howi is a better midlaner, so she is pretty much useless.
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>>182045413
>>182045052
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>>182045502
howies mine is the best ability in the game but outside of that belica shits on him
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>>182045357
>fuckshit broken characters like phase and rev

This is 50% correct, and 50% didnt hear about the Rev nerf
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>>182045492
I see. It's a problem I've noticed: even if I ask in chat for te support to not auto the wave, the do it anyway. I just had a Phase stealing last hits and even gold buff right in front of me until they decided to fuck off to mid for the entire game.
If I pick carry, the support doesn't know what they're doing; if I pick support, the carry doesn't know or care about freezing the lane to farm, you can't win.
I guess I'll just stick to farming solo, but more often than not, that invites a deathball to my lane and my team can never seem to respond to that until the t2 has eaten over half it's damage bar.
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>>182049040
I usually let supports just take the gold because they're gonna try to take it anyway, it saves me the stress and frustration. As for them not knowing how to set, well i'm still waiting to figure out a solution to that one.
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>>182049040
supports in this game are just total faggots. i enjoy playing games on my smurf and just leaving them alone and going to some other lane if they dont listen to me. once they realize that i really dont give a shit about winning like they do so im not going to tolerate their bullshit just because of that they get hilariously buttravaged
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Just finished the tutorial and played my first bot match, damn was it fun, the production value really helps.
Is there anything I need to know that's not explained?
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>>182050712
I'd advise stopping playing right now, because they're changing literally everything about the game in a month. Other than that, phase is a 100% pick/ban support. Get used to seeing her.
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>>182050712
Yeah, the game will be dead around August, so you can either enjoy it while you can, or just go play something else now and get into that instead
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>>182050712
>Is there anything I need to know that's not explained?
literally everything about the game. dont worry though because they're gonna change ruin all of it in a few weeks so just screw around and find some heroes you like
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Be honest.

Is this game even worth getting into?
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>>182051168
no
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>>182050852
>>182050885
>>182050889
What the fuck? What are they doing to it and why. This is a bit dissapointing honestly, damn.
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>>182051168
Not at all really. Unless you're super into it, don't bother.

The other posters aren't kidding when they say the dev team is on the verge of changing almost everything about the game, and none of it for the better.
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>>182051168
It's a nice game, but with unbalanced and boring heroes.

If you consider to get into it, keep in mind that next month it will be complete trash.
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>>182049040
The problem is you guys think support is even needed. Literally just play a kill lane and if you don't suck it's way better than having a support. Supports are literal crutches. Only reason they are viable is because phase is at an unimaginable level of OP.
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>>182051486
They're removing the card point system, but keeping decks. They're removing the limit on items you can hold by changing them from having point values to just having a gold value, presumably no more upgrade attachments either. It's turning into a regular ass MOBA, basically. As for why, because people are bitching, and they're committing the cardinal sin of listening to their retarded playerbase. The game has turned from something totally unique and worth playing solely BECAUSE of that, with some flaws you could overlook, to something that's stripped of a large part of it's charm but still holding on to it's core, to next month, finally being literally no different from smite, outside of the Z axis
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>>182050852
>>182050885
>>182050889
>>182051493
>>182051527
>WAAAH EPIC IS RUINING THE GAME
>WE HAVEN'T EVEN SEEN THE UPDATE BUT SURELY IT WILL KILL THE GAME COMPLETELY
>LET'S JUST MAKE SURE IT DIES BY KEEPING NEW PLAYERS FROM PLAYING IT
Leddit is an absolute shit hole, but you faggots are barely any better.

>>182051168
I'm genuinely having fun with it still. Only thing that is really unbalanced right now is phase.
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>>182051760
Maybe if epic wasn't literally removing every bit of unique charm from the game it would be worth telling people to stick around. Instead, anybody picking the game up right now is just gonna be REALLY fucking confused in a month when the entire fucking game changes, MORE THAN LIKELY for the worse, judging by everything we've seen, and of course, epic's track record. History repeats itself.
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>>182051534
This used to work quite well, but like you said, Phase. She's just got too much to not pick her.
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>>182051741
>finally being literally no different from smite, outside of the Z axis
Even if this was the case, that alone still makes it better than smite, and it doesn't even have to compete with league/dota since it's not top down. Smite is pure liquid shit, paragon will still be better.
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>>182051168
theres a good and fun underlying game here but the devs are just so fucking stupid its potentional will never be realized and at best the game will be a sparsely populated league clone with nice graphics
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>first pick in every draft
>"think I'll play Belica"
>"Morigesh offlane? fuck that, I'll take Kwang, you take mid"
>"think I'll play Twinblast"
>"Yin jungle? fuck that, I'll take Kwang, you take safelane"
>etc.
I mean, Kwang IS the best, so I can't really complain, but still.
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>>182033719
This can't be real. It's actually not possible.
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>>182052342
Watch the replays. I was one of the few bastards in their first dozen or so games.
Voice comms + Phase + an ADC who knows what they're doing and how to push objectives = bullshit.
I was just on a team with a Phase/ Sparrow combo and they were tearing it up. It was nice being on the other side of things for once.
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>>182052516
I've literally gone 20-1 before and lost.. It's not that uncommon. Even if you do good you still get braindead shitters going 0-11 unintentionally. I don't see how they didn't get throwers without a 5-queue.
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>>182053046
they draft dodge. A LOT.
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>>182053181
That makes more sense, but isn't the draft dodge penalty pretty severe? How exactly does it work? It doesn't seem to reset daily like other games.
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>>182051760
>we're never going to add healing characters they're unfun and unbalanceable
>woops
>we're going to prioritize skillshots, just because that person is 5 points ahead of you doesn't mean you're instantly dead if he can't hit his abilities
>woops
>changing how travel mode works will fix everything
>woops
>removing travel mode will fix everything
>woops
>monolith will fix everything
>woops
>the changes to monolith's design and complete hero balances we're doing will fix everything
>woops
>the age of intellect will fix everything
>woops
>the upcoming august update will fix everything

gee i wonder what could possibly happen next
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>>182053283
they probably swap off. It's only severe if you dodge a few times in a row, or many times in a week span. It doesn't reset weekly but I've dodged 5 times in a week before, playing around 15 matches total, and I got set to about 15 minutes delay the next time I dodged.
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>>182053046
It's not so much their scores (which are fairly consistent in each match), it's their win rate (99% over 97 matches) by playing Phase + ADC. They switched out for Dekker + ADC for a few games though, so what do I know?
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>>182053283
You just have to wait 4 minutes after the first two times. After the third you have to wait 20 minutes i think and then after the 4th maybe 1 hour, i don't know. But i think it resets automatically after one week or so.
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>>182049040
as a support main it's weird to me when I get carries telling me to auto the lane.
If we aren't actively trying to push the tower because there's like 4 people on left lane, why would I be touching your minions at all?

As for gold buff, when i play with high elo people I'm used to them letting me having, and only even going over to it when the offlaner looks like he will try to contest. When I smurf or play with lower elo friends the carries get overly protective of the buff to the point where they threaten to afk, I guess because they can't last hit as well? So I generally just take the first buff so I can get early wards, then ignore the rest of them. I've had a carry pound that "GOOD JOB" when i managed to take it from the enemy offlaner who came to steal it, then bitch in chat about me not leaving it up for them.
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>>182053398
Either way if you actually cared about the game you wouldn't try to turn as many people away from it as possible. I don't care what it used to be or what it might be in the future, it's still fun and worth playing right now.
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>>182055817
>4500 rep and 600 matrix have been deposited into your account
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>>182055817
My friend and I went and played some Smite last night.

It was actually not terrible. A lot has changed in 8 months or so. Not all for the better, but at least I'm not required to play certain characters.
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>>182056308
>implying epic actually pays for advertisement
kek. Keep spending your time in a general for a game you obviously hate.
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>>182056793
>aol messenger-tier player icons
>cringey skins, voice acting
>shit-ugly graphics
>shit balancing (every game has this)
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>>182056831
We don't hate the game, we hate the developers.
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>>182057295
Only a retard or someone who actually hates the game would try to stop new players from trying the game. Word of mouth is pretty fucking important and turning everyone who enters this general away does nothing but hurt the game.
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>>182056969
Actual graphics can only get a game so far, anon.
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>>182057598
I'm just saying my opinion.

He asked and i answered.

I'm not here to promote the game or anything.
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Who "instantdodgewhenwraith" here ?

He's worse than iggy
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>>182060083
lol
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Datamined Iggy abilities /parag/
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>>182060486
It's almost like you can be good even though you play a shit hero.
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>>182060845
Seems comparable to Wukong, just with more teamfight.
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>>182060958
I think the problem is either you suck with him or your teammates do. Either way, he's a pretty good hero.
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>>182060845
Sounds...underwhelming. A projectile slow instead of an activateable speed buff: I mean you could do the same with Tainted Magick.
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>>182060845
>blaze
Iggy 4/20 memes incoming
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>>182060486
I just had a really good Wraith in my team earlier today. Your most recent score looks almost like his, so i though for one second maybe it's you.
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>>182061537
>>182061680
>>182062105
are you people not noticing those insane base damage numbers with a 1400 range on top of applying burn ticks? full tank iggy is gonna be back and unkillable while destroying with his ult
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>>182063386
I still don't get what a unit in range is
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>>182063761
Me neither, but Sevarogs Phantom rush is exactly 1000 units. Maybe you can compare it to it.
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>>182063386
>Reddit whined and whined and whined because their autistic goblin wasn't SSS tier after Legacy
>Epic actually listened to these goons
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I think I may have the perfect Wukong build, lads: >Traitor's Touch with minor Kinetics
>Bloodsoaked Armour with two Guards and a Kinetic
>Tempered Plate with two Greater Healths and a Greater Guard
>two Whirling wands with a 2:1 damage to attack speed upgrade ratio (all 2 point cards)
>a Guardian's Ward with a 2:1 damage to health upgrade ratio (3-3-2)
It's kind of disgusting, actually.
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>>182063386
>>182064770
>iggy turrets at max level ult will be doing 1325 damage with 0 power invested in them while being impossible to destroy
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>>182065290
how is Iggy's new ult even a thing nigga
just walk away from the turrets lol
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I'm thinking of trying out Sevarog jungle today.

I know that some of you guys like him and i've seen some screenshots of your builds in earlier threads. Can anybody give me a good deck for him? Also, any important tips?
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>>182065553
you're forgetting this is coming with the card rework. im sure theres going to be something stupid like X burn ticks = root enemy for 2 seconds on top of him having a slow
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>>182065553
Kek, it's like the Howitzer ult.

Literally just walk away from it.
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>>182065553
there's gonna be some slow bullshit, watch.
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>>181998024
THANKS ASSHOLES
ALL OF YOU WANTED THE CARD SYSTEM TO GET SCRAPPED AND NOW WE /LITERALLYEVERYOTHERMOBA/
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>>182065629
Try some AI to get used to jungling as him, and look up some pro play of his clears. I think Bronze Army's jungler mains Sev.

>>182065743
>>182065792
>>182066115
It...was a joke.
That one twitter cap about cyber bullying...
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>>182067803
>thinking a lead dev who justifies every stupid decision he makes with "well in dota..." would actually keep the card system
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>>182068307
>It...was a joke.
Oh. Y-yeah of course. H-haha, i was also just joking. l-lol.
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>>181953409
If you're playing Greystone, you got it pretty easy, engage the minions before he can but when they engage yours, have Radiant Mantle on and q while he's hitting your minions and your hitting his. Once you've at least taken out the ranged minions, and you got a couple minions to back you up, just turn on him and start wailing.
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Damn, I would've thought /parag/ would've liked the transition from cp to actual currency. It really caps you if you're ahead and let's the enemy team catch up.
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>>182071340
its not so much that i hate the idea of a new economy system, its that i know cam is a fucking idiot and its going to be half assed bullshit that is somehow worse than the current shit system we have
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>>181953409
You should use tainted magic instead of thunder cleaver imo, it makes more damages.
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>>182065629
Stacks are everything but don't sit on 2 whites playing your little highscore game while teamfights are happening. It is easy to tunnel vision.
Pray your initiation is followed up but always expect it won't be.
Land. The. Root. This is the most important ability.
Spam the fuck out of siphon, and try to double up when you can. It adds up and you should be using it on cooldown in fights. Also anim cancel with it.
Stab link into fights and ghost walk out. Only use spooky dash if you are 100% certain it is safe to chase. Being spooky lets you turn decent positioning into very shit positioning very, very quickly. Don't kill yourself.
Get ahead. Sev is hands down the most fun to play fed. You do amazing damage, have good cc, and can just eat shit to the face for days. Do everything you can to get ahead and snowball. If you do it correctly you won't ever see his best though. Late game full stack Sev is comical and as long as you watch out for the adcs, you can usually 1v5.
Bloodsoaked armor, thermo/toxi, ward, stab link/utility, and fill is the popular build as far as I can tell. Really just focus on defense as his siphon naturally gives him enough power and pepper into utility and counter items. You can give him a little pen late game if you want but he doesn't absolutely need it.
Your start should be Stalker siphon >> madspore + ward + growth pot. Kite and dont fucking kill yourself on whites. My kill order is:
River white > Green > Base white > safe white > (base white if you missed the spawn) > river white > river buff. This will put you lvl 3, ~75% hp(if you kite correctly), ~5-7 stacks but ideally you should have more, and enough mana to cast siphon once for the river buff with about ~6 seconds to get there. This route is risky though as good mids can steal your green and mega fuck you and poor kiting puts you <50% hp for the river buff fight. And you are using green to camp so it takes away a bit of gank potential.
Good luck, sev is fun.
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Pre-loss bump
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>>182076832
Thank FUCK I checked agora before that draft went through.
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>>182077127
Holy shit that's actually a really good idea. Thanks.
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>>182077487
Always check at least your adc. Jungle too if you got time.
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>>182077487
It's more of a curse than anything else: you'll spend so much more time dodging than playing when you see the people the game tries to match you with.
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>>182010073
we still have that one OC anon, can't give up hope yet
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>play Kwang
>win
Aah, you were at my side, all along.
My guiding lightning.
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>>182081132
Oh right. I took a break to play Paragon when I was 90% through because learning to colour in Photoshop on the fly was giving me a headache.
I'll hopefully finish that tomorrow, then start on the next.
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>>182082141
you're a shining light in the darkness of paragon content. we're lucky to have you. please do some mommy OC if you haven't already
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>>182081957
>See Kwang
>kill him instantly
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>>181790176
Who the best Para waifu and why is it Belica?
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>play Kwang
>land my sword on Wraith
>he rewinds me
>mfw
>ult
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how do I git gud at carry? I figured it would be easy street but I must be retarded, even on rev I usually end up with barely a 1.5 k/d. Either I don't get teammates that help me out and go for objectives, or I get them, but they puss out and never commit to taking an objective even if it means a death. But i'm sure i'm shit too, my cs is usually barely in the hundreds by the 40 minute mark. Should I work on that or is there something else to focus on?
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>>182081957
This is the generals biggest meme. Kwang is fucking mediocre. I shit on them all the time.
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Focus on last hitting, do the raptors with your team every time you kill ~2 enemies, eventually steal some of the jungle if each camp has 5 minions and your jungler is busy.
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>>182088195
I try to take jungle but it usually takes a disproportionately long time to actually kill the mobs since I usually don't level up my aoe thing first, I work on the last shot bonus for offlaner bullying.
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>>182087621
first and most importantly learn to farm. you should have 100 cs by 20 minutes at the latest. if your game goes 40 minutes you should be in the high 200's not barely hitting 100.
second don't die for objectives, either defending or taking them. dying for a t1 is never worth it dying for a t2 is almost never worth it the only objectives you should be willing to die for are inhibs and even then you shouldnt YOLO them. honestly you shouldn't even have to worry about dying for the objectives because you should be taking them after you've won a fight
third learn target priority if you kill their carry (or phase because ebin is retarded) and their caster and then you die you did your job. likewise your teams job is to get that greystone or sev who jumps on you every fight off you so you can actually do that but dont be the carry who takes 10 seconds trying to kill a greystone just because he was near you while the enemy carry gets a quad on the rest of your team
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>>182085390
Best waifu is Mori
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>>181790176
What does that black magic orb thing do when you attack it?
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>>182088863
the only thing i can even imagine you're talking about is the amber link in the jungles. it fills up for killing jungle camps and drains every few minutes giving everyone on the team cxp. hitting the enemies depletes its reserves and gives you a little cxp
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>>182088627
Yeah i'm trying to learn to last hit better but this is my first moba and it was an entirely foreign concept to me until about 2 weeks ago when I decided to actually learn some shit about the game. I rarely die taking anything but inhib, but i'm not running in, I just mean, when we have two huge waves pushing the other t2s and we're on an inhib, I usually have my support and the offlaner with me, we get the inhib to like 25% health and they just run off because they see the enemies warping back to base in the distance, it's like they don't have a gauge of distance or speed. So I stay and take the inhib, but by the time I get it down it's just barely too late and I get crushed. I'd like to say that's a rare occurrence but i've had it happen about 6 times now, so I probably shouldn't try to overcommit to something like that.

As for teamfighting, that's another big one, I can never seem to have the whole team together in one spot, even with pinging. It's rare I can get raptors at all in a match like >>182088195 said to do, much less every time we get a few kills off and find ourselves safe. When teamfights do roll around i'm usually trying to focus on the support or carry, but sometimes it just doesn't happen because of my poor positioning I guess, and the enemy offlaner/jungler being able to just run right up on me and nuke me.
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>Escape Smite's player base retardation
>"this looks small enough, hopefully no retards"
>pic morrimeme and call mid
>no one calls any role
>everyone fucks off to wherever they want
>I dont know how the jungling thing works, but something tells me that letting the enemy fill their orb while ours is empty all game will makes us lose
>decide to kill jungle mobs any time I rotate
>my team is doing fuck all
>I went 18-2 while one of ours went literally 4-27
>rinse and repeat 5 more games

Should I quit while am still ahead? Somehow I met more people who know what they're doing in bot games than in these normal games. My instincts are telling me not to touch ranked with a 10 kilometers pole
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>>182089560
you're not overcommiting in that situation your team is just retarded.
im guessing from what you're experiencing and how new you are you're in silver shitter land so i will give you the best advice i can. every single person on your team is a fucking retard, dont count on them for anything. farm and because its silver shitter land on the other team too if you do it well you will literally be 15+ points ahead of the other team in most matches and you wont even need to worry about how dumb your team is in most situations
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Wtf???

I just had this weird game

>i am Greystone
>defending the core
>Aurora ults me and i think i die
>but have ult, so survive
>they attack me and i am at 0 health
>but still not ded
>run back to base to heal myself
>can't heal
>wtf???
>think i have a weird glitch that makes me immortal
>run into minions, can't die
>problem is
>can't attack
Yeah, so i was standing there, immortal, but not able to defend our core.
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>>182090105
thats been a glitch with aurora since her release. it will be fixed Soonâ„¢
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>>182074527
Hey anon, thanks for the post.

Tried him in a bot game today, but i killed the jungle minions with two hits at lvl 1, i think that means someone is playing his first game. So i couldn't really try the tactics.

But will try him tomorrow in a pvp.
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>>182090447
Wow, that sucks.

We lost the game anyway and it was in the last minute of an 1 hour game, so it wasn't that tragic. But imagine that happens in the 10th minute or so. You just stand there and can't attack.
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>>182090057
Yeah i'm at like 1220 elo from that agora site, I don't think i'm hot shit or anything I know i'm retarded, but I just don't know what to look for to fix. I like the carry role, it's a more influential role than trying to play support like I kept getting shoved into.

Also is there any way I can tell my supports to quit fucking taking my cs? Cause that's getting real old real fast.
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>>182089843
if you have previous moba experience dont pick mori when you're in the placement matches, you'll destroy everyone but her waveclear sucks and you need to remember half of both teams there are ps4 players who have never played a moba before so its not like they're gonna capitalize on the enemy having 3 down.
pick a carry or a jungler
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>>182090704
other than just yelling at them theres nothing much you can do. try to freeze the lane after you force right down and farm it up while telling them to go support offlane or something so they fuck off
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>>182090683
it fixes if you die just run into the other teams base and go on their spawn pad its an instant kill no matter what
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Wukong is a pain in the ass to jungle with before level 5. I use Health Potion and Regen token to start the match. Any other suggestions?
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>>182091272
yeah not playing jungle wukong because its shit
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>>182091192
Ok, thank
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>>182085390
good taste
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>>182085390
s-shinbi is best to me..
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>>182091950
>>182085390
I don't know, she looks like a frog...

>>182092174
She has the ugliest and least interesting design in the game. Even worse than Phase.
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>>182092436
shut your whore mouth ur waifu a shit!
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>>182092174
>Shinbi a bae
>not Shinbae
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>>182092965
S-sorry p-pls no bully
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>>182091272
my suggestion is offlane, ya twat
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>>182085390
>queen of /parag/'s spiciest meme
>qt as hell
>most fun carry to play
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>>182092174
tell me your secrets! how do i play shinbae she seems so weak but iv seen some put in real work with her.
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>>182090453
Don't mention it.
A small addendum to the previous post. To build stacks with sev you must kill things with your abilities. This counts for all his abilities and not just his siphon. His siphon is the cheapest form of building stacks but don't be afraid to use your ult/root to help against 5 stack whites or to secure a player kill. Always try to finish players with an ability, mana permitting.
And don't be afraid to use his ult often. It has a 30 sec cooldown and does quite a bit of damage on top of its displacement. Don't waste it but the cd doesn't punish you super hard for being risky with it.
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>>182093969
hope ur team aint shit. you cant carry
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>>182093969
>offlane
>walk up to target
>circle rhythm
>spam the fuck out of doggo line
>double dash sonic style
>ult
>realize you failed the first step because phase exists
It isn't that hard guys. She isn't OP but she isn't as bad as some folks try to make her out to be. I use to main her jungle and enjoyed it more than sev or /ourboi/ jg.
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>>182094193
>19-5
>11-0
so how do you actually get kills.
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>>182092436
lol she has a shit streak on her face haha
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>>182094676
anon if thats the color of your shit you should go to the doctor
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>>182094484
>>182094464
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Belica is Italian, right?
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>>182090781
Yeah I was under the impression that Mori is a complete pub stomper.
No one was warding so
>walk behind enemy nigger
>mark him
>drop green pussy goo on them
>auto attack and if they escape just ult
>rinse and repeat
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>>182093339
>>182091369
Wukong is a perfectly fine jungler
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>>182095274
i dont think nationalities exist in the paragon universe except for koreans to appeal to all the gookclickers
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>>182095759
t. silver
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it august yet?
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>>182095274
Don't know, but it was my first thought, too.
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>>182095795
>i dont think nationalities exist in the paragon universe
Well i mean, Khaimera is brazilian
pic related
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>>182096878
>Not a webm
I mean, good edit but so much potential for a great meme
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>>182098505
>implying i have the skill to make a webm out of it
I unironically made it with paint.
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>literal god
>gets shat on by over half the cast
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>>182100321
hes just treated as one. hes just some kid that got lost in a forest and is now haunted
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>>182012195
The second I started the game it seemed desperate to scream "WE'RE A REAL MOBA GUYS, LOOK AT HOW MUCH OF A REAL MOBA WE ARE, SEE WE DO THINGS JUST LIKE OTHER MOBAS"

This just seems like a natural progression, really
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which girl is the butt slut?
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>>182088094
are you retarded anon? or are you too much of an autist to play a balanced character?
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>>182102870
>tumblrette hair
>dsl's are only other asset
>Loves to 'assist' others
>skinny
If you've been been to college campuses/ been on the internet/ living as long as I have, then you should know the answer
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>>182104368
who's the middle one?
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>>182104656
I think that's skin diamond?
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>>182105357
is she a butt slut?
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>>182105638
Very much so
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>>182102870
Aurora but it doesn't involve her own
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>>182104368
>literal no ass is the buttslut
Phase is one of those poser bitches who pretends to have done it all but gets nervous when you slide a finger down there. Now Dekker on the other hand has an ass perfectly suited for taking the dick and the scientific curiosity to try it out
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>>182107203
>dekker
>"scientific curiosity to try it out"
>scientific minded
>'what is the point of the reproduction act if there is no chance at actually reproducing offspring? It is a waste of my time, resources and energy'
I mean there's a chance but I don't think it'd be the thing she'd get excited for
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>>182107203
>>182107997
To add on, at least Phase would know she has little assets, so she'd try more than enough to make up for it
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>>182102870
>>182107997
basing off the characters personalities then Belica would make a good candidate. wouldn't want to take the chance of getting knocked up and having that interfere with her job.
this discussion is just going to end up with all of them being buttsluts in the end anywayexcept mommy she's too pure
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>>182108536
>except mommy she's too pure
muriel is the only one too pure to not be a butt slut
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>>182108731
muriel was a depraved sex robot in japan before she upgraded her firmware and put that life behind her
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>>182108972
>muriel was a depraved sex robot in japan
she doesn't look like a prepubescent child how could she have been a sexbot in japan?
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>>182108536
>Belica would make a good candidate.
>wouldn't want to take the chance of getting knocked up and having that interfere with her job.
I second this. Wholeheartedly.
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>>182109180
I didn't say she was the one getting fucked anon
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Hey, can we get some direct examples of EPIC contradicting themselves multiple times and making decisions that harm the game? I would like to piece them together in a video. I am honestly tired of their incompetence not being challenged by all the useful yes-men YouTubers people watch.

I have the example of Cameron orgasming over the thought of requiring 3 people to kill a single Iggy player splitpushing a lane.

Link included if curious, starts at 13:45 https://youtu.be/P4lsPKEVpHM
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>>182110589
they haven't really contradicted themselves on much besides saying everything would be a skillshot and that they would never make a healer. other than those two things its basically just them being fucking retarded and not knowing how to make or balance a game
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Pewposterous is up to 7 Paragon models and just released an Aurora animation is it finally happening guys?
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>>182071340
I actually liked the cp system. If the enemy team is good enough to close out the game while they're ahead, then their snowball was well-deserved.

If they got lucky or my team hadn't gotten its shit together, we can hold and farm until we catch up and kill them if we have better coordination/mechanical skill.
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bedtime bumptime
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I am the best Kwang here, undoubtedly
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Remember, /parag/, it could always be worse.
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>>182115373
I absolutely have no problems waiting for Pewposterous to release animations like that if they continue to have that much work put into them
We on our way /parag/
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Wraith is more fun than I thought
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>>182120395
I thoroughly respect every design decision that the Hi-Rez development team has made and have put forth full effort into making Paragonâ„¢ an experience similar to Smiteâ„¢ and other popular games within the MOBA genre.

Please look look forward it.
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>>182126075
No
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>>182108536
DELETE THIS
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Where did the popularity for this game come from? I was playing last year and it's suddenly exploded and I'm seeing it everywhere
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>>182128768
It's been on popular twitch tv streams a few times, it's been shown off at a few game developer expo's so ebin can show their unreal engine, it's free on PSN/PC and it's pretty so poor people have incentive to play it, rule34 is starting to realize the waifu material and artists are hopping on the bushwaggon
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Morging bamp
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Win bamp

Was able to hold the offlane t1 for lmao 20 minutes
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>>182095759
He's not, though.
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real talk is it worth trying to build decks and stuff right now? I've just started getting into the game but I feel kind of defeated knowing they're gonna change it all. That's why I quit the last time when they changed the map. I got over that though and came back but like, have they talked at all about what they're doing with old cards? are they just being turned into new ones 1:1 or are we just getting reimbursed based on the number we had?
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>>182138721
may as well just use online decks without any thought because in a month it all goes out the window
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I hope i die within this month and the upate will be canceled.
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>>182139204
me and you both cam
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If I get double digits Cameron dies before the update.
Also bump
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>>182140627
nope
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>someone in draft picks Muriel (name is some dumbfuck variant of "Kirito")
>someone ahead of them picks Phase
>the Muriel switches to Wraith safelane
>Phase immediately runs into enemy base and feeds from minute one until we surrender
another game
>Wraith "support"
>leaves the Sparrow to come to my lane and do nothing
>Sparrow starts to feed because they're alone and targeted
>Wraith starts to feed
>surrender
another game
>I'm the only one securing kills and not feeding
>enemy Kallari and Khaimera are a premade, start targeting me
>nearly 1v2 them, but die inches from my Gideon on the other side of the fog wall
>he's auto-attacking minions

Three spectacular losses in less than one hour, all because the matchmaking sees fit to constantly saddle me with the worst players imaginable. Why in God's name should I keep playing this absolute piece of shit?
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>>182141624
What elo are you?
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>>182142042
Take a guess.
It didn't always used to be this way, but it's impossible to get back to where I was: the more you lose, the worse the matchmaking and the harder it becomes to climb back out.
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>>182142342
Silvershitter?

Do you want to team up?

Am not the best player, but i have the same problem.

>Wukong carry
>Crunch supporter
>Crunch ends with a 0/11

>Morigesh no position, only going after kills
>trying to hunt down enemies in the enemy jungle
>20 deaths
Never seen a player dying that often before.
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>>182142618
crunch can support alright if you've got an understanding with the carry.
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>>182142618
Just had a fourth loss
>wukong offlane
>premade Howitzer/ Aurora safelane
>a Steel who hadn't played since early access going mid ("there are lot changes?")
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>>182120954
he's got belica and sparrow models now and makes very high quality work, our memes are close to becoming dreams guys. its a shame cam is trying his hardest to kill this game before the big breakthrough happens
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>>182146318
We've already done better than Battleborn, not that it's exactly a high bar.
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>>182147148
its just a shame we're a slow little general on a mongolian lawnmower racing BBS because theres been more ideas for OC here than most popular games get. just in the last two threads we've had which girls are buttsluts, who sucks dick the best, and an entire plot proposal of how to integrate serath into the sparrow/belica bushwars.
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>just started
>actually like this game but told its about to be ruined

.....
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>>182147845
the gameplay will still be fun they're just ruining everything else. find some characters you enjoy playing and just screw around, the overhaul is happening within the next month so no real point in trying too hard to learn a lot now
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>>182147780
Try requesting shit on /aco/: if there's one thing I know for sure, it's that aspiring porn artists are always looking for the next big thing to get in on the ground floor.
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>>182145063
I'm silver as well with the same fuckin problem even though I'm perfectly fine at the game.

I can't climb out of Elo hell and I'm getting real tired of getting close to gold then just getting dragged back to silver by a losing streak of teams that don't know what the fuck they're doing.

Why has cam cursed me to silver Elo, I didn't do anything wrong
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>>182150917
>I can't climb out of Elo hell and I'm getting real tired of getting close to gold then just getting dragged back to silver by a losing streak of teams that don't know what the fuck they're doing.
Same, only that i am on/off gold.

Played a few games in a group of five today, and we won every game. So i guess i am fine for the moment.
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>>182150917
>I'm silver as well with the same fuckin problem even though I'm perfectly fine at the game.
you guys wont ever actually improve until you realize you're shit and every team you're on isn't the problem
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Guess I'm playing Grux now.
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>>182151850
Then why don't you share some handy-dandy tips on what we should be doing, pro?
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>>182152151
Because i'm a bronze
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>>182152151
if you're stuck in silver then you dont even understand basic principals of the game like farming, lane control or when and how to fight and/or take objectives. you need to focus on the basics like those before you even worry about anything else because those simple things alone will carry you out of silver within 10 games. theres a reason everytime i make a smurf account i go 15-20+ games in a row at the beginning without a loss despite only playing soloQ. if your team is impending your success in silver matches then thats because your skill level is low enough to where they can actually be a factor
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@182152874
You are not getting a (you) from me.
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>>182153045
ok stay in silver league and keep lying to yourself that if the game didn't give you and only you terrible teams 100% of the time you would be in diamond where you belong it makes no difference to me
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>>182152874
>if you're stuck in silver then you dont even understand basic principals of the game like farming, lane control or when and how to fight and/or take objectives
aaand you're wrong. There's only so much you can do as one person. I supported a competent ADC last game who knew when to push and we took an inhib in under 15 minutes, but that is the exception to the rule: the game before that, my ADC went offlane and didn't know/ care about last hits. The difference in the experience is night and day, and if you're trying to tell me that it doesn't make a difference as long as I know how to play objectives, then you're delusional. I can set lanes and split and group and take raptors all day long, but if you're team doesn't facilitate it, there's not much you can do.
If you have some specific advice about how to win games completely on your own, I'd love to hear it, because I'm getting sick of this. Why don't you walk me through what it is you do in your preferred role in a silver game that so consistently wins you matches?
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>>182153176
I'm not >>182152151 and i'm not in silver, but you are talking shit.
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>>182154821
Why are you playing as a supporter when your teammates are shitters?

Play jungle or adc instead.
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>>182155149
Because literally every time I play ADC, I'm left to myself, which invites the entire enemy team to take turns railing my poor ADC hole. When that happens, I let the t1 fall so I can farm, but they just push up to the t2 and my teams never rotate until it's too late.
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>>182154821
>There's only so much you can do as one person.
wrong if as i already said you know the basics unlike everyone else down in shitterville you can do whatever you want. pic related as proof i lost 3 games total. 1 where 3 people on my team quit which is pretty much the only thing you can't overcome in low leagues and which is perfectly ok to bitch about because it happens far far too often in those leagues even in the low amounts of games i play down there when i get bored and make smurfs and the other 2 because I played way way way too passively because of team comps and showed the opposing team too much respect instead of going in and carrying like I should have. Overall 3 losses 2 my fault and 1 I can't control.
I played only sparrow and i mean literally only sparrow as in i played her offlane or mid in half of these if someone picked a carry first before i could so theres no excuse for people who are actually 100% tryharding to get stuck down here if you're actually good enough to move up

>If you have some specific advice about how to win games completely on your own, I'd love to hear it, because I'm getting sick of this. Why don't you walk me through what it is you do in your preferred role in a silver game that so consistently wins you matches?
pick a high impact role or character and never play support because supporting shit doesn't make it not shit. Other than that focus on the basics like I already said and that alone will make you better than everyone else
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>>182157001
You keep saying vague shit like "the basics", but as far as I'm concerned, I'm fine as far as the things you mentioned >>182152874. What I can't control is the enemy team, which will focus a high impact role every time. I played ADC just now to try and have more of an impact: I kept my head down, I joined for fights and pushes, I farmed as well as my counterpart on the other team (stayed ahead of him on last hits the entire time), but the enemy team had a Khaimera and a Countess that would pounce me every time I wasn't in tower, and my Phase fucked off early to stay tethered to a Gadget. Am I to spend the entire game under tower, waiting for my time to shine so that a focused enemy team don't use me for sport? I'm genuinely asking: I want to get better, but good map awareness, efficient farming and knowing when to push and when to retreat apparently aren't enough.
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Lmao what did I do?
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>>182160883
You reported someone.
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>>182160489
>but as far as I'm concerned, I'm fine as far as the things you mentioned
Honestly not trying to be a dick with this but I can guarantee you're not. I'll go into more detail here on what I mean by basics. Let's start with farming, you say you stay even with the opposing teams carry, right away that means you're not farming efficiently. People in silver struggle to hit 100 CS in entire matches you should be hitting that around the 15-20 minute mark. Late game if you're farming correctly you should have such a huge lead over everyone else that you can basically 1v5, I've had silver matches where I was at 60 and everyone else was in the mid 30's, people in silver do not understand farming at all.
Second are you actually doing anything with your farming to make it matter? Being 10 points ahead and not pushing that advantage does nothing for you, you need to force fights or take risks and exploit your advantage. On top of that what are you building, are you power spiking your deck or are you just throwing cards in and going, and are you structuring your purchases in a way to where they're making the biggest differences or are you just picking 6 cards you want and filling them when and however?
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>>182160489
>>182163452
Third, lane control/map awareness, do you know when to freeze waves and farm so you can actually get those huge leads? Do you know when to slow set a lane so you can rotate to an objective or force a fight? Do you know when to hard push something to force a rotation to it so another lane isn't dealing with a 1v3, and if they dont rotate to it are you taking your free tower instead of wasting time going crossmap to get in on the tail end of a fight that you'll have no impact on? Take those 2-0-2 and 3-0-4 games from >>182157001 I had an inhib down by 20 minutes in both of them because they stacked offlane with 4 people and allowed me to solo down the t2, I then took advantage of being up 6-7 cxp over the Wukong who rotated to stop me killed him 1v1 and took an inhib all while everyone else was having a gangbang over a t1 tower. Rotating to fights isn't always necessary if you're not going to make an impact on them by the time you get there or if you could do something more beneficial. This is where your problems with that Khai Count duo would have stopped, if they're forcing you to always play safe by collapsing on you anytime you go out you need to keep that lane frozen and use it as an easy way to get endless amount of farm, if they focus you that much then your team is basically fighting a 4v3 everywhere else, and eventually they'll both be forced to rotate to something else at which time you push your lane causing pressure for the enemy everywhere with the added bonus of getting you way ahead in CXP
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>>182160489
>>182163452
>>182163569
At the end of the day you're never going to win every match, and there will always be matches that your team is just too terrible to carry, but if you are truly honestly actually better and more knowledgeable than everyone around you, you will continually be putting yourself, or through your various actions your teammates in optimal situations to better win the game.
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>i've wone 5 in a row and 6 out of the last 7 games
have i learned to carry or is the matchmaking just throwing me a bone?
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>>182163452
>>182163569
>>182163937
>you need to force fights or take risks and exploit your advantage
I think that's my biggest problem. I just played Sparrow, as you suggested, and my support was an agressive Phase that would pull me into fights that they decided were happening. It worked out.
Compare to the game before where I was much more passive, trying to stay farmed and not push beyond my towers for fear of the Khai/ Countess.

>do you know when to freeze waves and farm so you can actually get those huge leads
Yeah, but it's rare that my team don't come into lane and just start forcing it. As for the rest of the stuff, yeah: I get that if my team are suffering from pressure in one lane, forcing it is going to draw some pressure away, that's fairly standard.

I'm not great at ADC, I get that each role has it's own flows, and I have to adjust to it. The advice you're giving is kind of in contrast to some posted earlier which suggests being much more conservative until late game.
I guess the takeaway here is to press the advantage when you have it, even if it's risky. I have no problem doing that as a sturdier character, but ADC's are the number one target outside of Phase, so it paints a massive bullseye on your back the second you try anything.

Thanks for taking the time to type all that out, I'll give it some thought: maybe I'm just aware of a lot of the things you're talking about, but not executing the properly.
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>>182164831
probably the second one
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>>182165338
>probably the second one
you're probably right but i'm having fun destroying people as belica.
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how can someone so perfect not be your waifu /parag/
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>>182168079
>borderline personality disorder
>literal firecrotch
I'll pass
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>>182168079
i'm gay and even i'd do her
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Tainted Magick on Revenant to soften up the target with Scar? Or just straight up damage?
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>>182168836
>not wanting to make her scream so loud her pussy literally lights on fire
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>>182169582
Rev is too single target focused to use Tainted
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>>182169582
It could be funny with Obliterate.
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>>182168079
But anon, she IS my waifu.

She is so cute, i want to hold her hand and kiss her lips.
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>>182170773
Yes anon, let the creative garbage flow through you.
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>>182168079
speaking of which, is Burning Heart still contagious after the event
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should i ever bother with basic pen?
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>>182174363
On fighters like Feng and Grux, maybe. I have a crit Feng build for shits and giggles, but I always default to the one with power, pen and defense just because.
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>>182174363
no if you want more damage on your carry build crit its always better and any other class that needs basic pen should replace it with armor or health so they can survive longer
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>>182174283
dunno got it the first day of the event and never use it because one of mommy's best features is her natural blonde bush
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>>182168079
i want a girl who softly sings after sex. also cuddles
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>>182177654
>he wants a girl who enjoys the BWC BIG WOLF COCK
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>>182178108
>implying she aint only satisfied by kwangs manhood
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>>182178290
anon thats incest
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>>182178364
you say that like it's a bad thing
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>>181998024
The worst thing about this video is that it proves they balance this game around fucking retards in literal bronze league. Cam goes on a 5 minute rant about people building only power and how its terrible for the game when literally the only classes who dont build tanky at this point in the game are carries and casters which is what you fucking want because otherwise you just have the shitty fucking tank meta all over again.
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>>182178554
it is when you have the far superior grey/sparrow combo
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>>182178942
>no onii chan screeching
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>>182179074
that and the pixels ruin all jap porn tbqh
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>>182179319
>he only can only find the censored porn.
lol
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>>182179427
asians dont really do anything for me so i dont go out of my way to look
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>>181790176
What's your absolute worst experience in this game?

>Be Phase in right lane suddenly kill a khaimera a couple times suddenly 4 members of the opposing team start rushing me
>Oh shit!
>Need help right lane
>Need help right lane
>Need help right lane
>I need help!
>I need help!
>No one comes to help me

Fought them off for a good 5 minutes with pretty much no mp left until 1 Countess actually finally did come and got killed very quickly.
Meanwhile no one actually destroyed any towers or did anything so I have no idea what they were so busy with.
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>>182180408
Hearing Cam talk about it for more than 30 seconds. If we're limiting it to things that happen in matches, probably the Grux who built 4 siphon cards went 0-7-0 in 15 minutes and then afk'd the rest of the game at fucking 1630 elo
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>>182178290
I don't know.

I feel like Kwang and Yin would make a better couple.

>Kwang and Yin
>Greystone and Sparrow
>Gideon and Serath
>Murdock and Belica
Sorry, Belica gets blacked
>Narbash and Fey
>Kallari and Muriel
>Khaimera and Morigesh
>Chadblast and Phase + Shinbi

Not sure who fits to Aurora though.
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>>182183217
>Kallari and Muriel
>Not wraith an kallari and grim and murieal
>Chadblast and Phase + Shinbi
>wasting shinbi on chad when she can go with rampage or riktor
>Not sure who fits to Aurora though.
grux
your list is shit desu
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It took way longer than it should have, and the colours are way too dark, but fuck it, I'm sick of looking at Phase. The next one will be better because I'll be able to skip a bunch of the pointless steps that made this one drag out for three god damned threads.
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>>182183785
Well done my friend it looks great.
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>>182183217
>not belica and sparrow
>not yin and aurora
>not greystone and serath
>not shinbi and riktor
>not kwang and every waifu
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>>182183785
>tfw literally forgot what you were supposed to be drawing until now
what kind of stuff have you learned since this that'll make your next drawings faster
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>>182183725
>Not wraith an kallari
I agree with this one. I forgot that Wraith exists for 1 second to be honest.

>Grim and murieal
Okay, and what is with the fly from Grim.exe?
The fly and Howitzer?

>wasting shinbi on chad when she can go with rampage or riktor
Shinbi Rampage is a good idea.

>Not sure who fits to Aurora though.
>grux
No, that doesn't make sense.

>your list is shit desu
Y-you too.
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>>182183785
I was under the impression these would be lewd but this is still a nice contribution. Good Job! anon
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>>182184728
Murdock and Belica makes perfect sense though.
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>>182184882
>No, that doesn't make sense.
then a ice statue with a dick that she can ride
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>>182185052
>implying murdock isn't putting his long arm of the law into gideons black hole
the lore writes itself my man and sparrow/belica is basically canon at this point
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>>182185052
>waifu touching a nigger
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>>182184728
>yuri
not in this christian game.
>shinbi and riktor
new favorite ship
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>>182185174
Kek, i thought of her ice statue, too, but thought that would be to weird.
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>>182185174
DO YOU WANA BUILD A SNOWMAN?!
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>>182185248
Sorry, but the lore writes itself my man.
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What the hell is the skill build for Murdock now?
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>>182185287
>>182185174
if her ice statue has a dick does that mean aurora has a girlcock
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>>182185483
>if her ice statue has a dick does that mean aurora has a girlcock
no she's just fucking an ice dildo
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>>182185483
Wtf Aurora is my waifu now???
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>>182185469
max the pen ability and right click ult when its up 1 point in the speed boost and ignore it until you're forced to upgrade it
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>>182185563
are you sure she doesn't have a nice big futa dick because i think that would really open up some character development possibilities
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>>182185884
only if shes a full package futa with both sets
but i dont really feel like futa works for aurora.
perhaps shinbi or seraph in good girl mode
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>>182185884
>are you sure she doesn't have a nice big futa dick
fairly certain
>>182186230
>perhaps shinbi or seraph in good girl mode
those two are probably the two least like to be futas now phase on the other hand...
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>>182186354
>>182186230
Yin would make a good futa
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>>182186354
>shinbi with cute smol futa weewee
come on man. not all of em gotta be throbbing monster cocks.

>good girl seraph pops a boner. you play with it. she quivers and quickly cums.
>still horny starts getting all baddy . Pushes you down. Dominates you while she forces you to penetrate her womb.
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>>182185261
>yuri
>not in this christian game.
they fired superville though bush is now on the menu
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>>182186745
Edit: imagine she is standing there, and her dick is hanging out because her clothing is open on the front side.
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>>182186862
really? ew. yuri is shit.
why did they fire him though?
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>>182187087
no one knows but Camalam is now your lead dev
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>>182187087
>why did they fire him though?
he wouldn't share his toys with cam
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>>182187195
is that why the game is getting worse and worse?
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>>182187260
theres a reason he's a meme
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>>181790176
ITT: Characters who need a buff

That ultimate is straight up useless
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>>182186835
>look at keyboard
>p is nowhere near t
is there a reason you keep spelling her name this way
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>>182187405
>ITT: Characters who need a buff

>That ultimate is straight up useless
you're just a shitter anon
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>>182187405
Phase could use a rollback on her blind changes, our internal testing games are showing her as a very low tier character now
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>>182187470
>is there a reason you keep spelling her name this way
he's probably on moblie and getting auto corrected
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>>182187470
right its serath aint it?
m spelling it that way outta habbit for cuz actual seraphim.
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>>182187587
But my drone gets smashed in 2 seconds at full level and they seem to have some kind of unlimited mp whenever I fight anyone by the end of the game, I would prefer something with more reliable damage.
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>>182186230
>making serath a futa in mommy form
absolutely disgusting confine that to her transformed state if you insist on being a degenerate
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>>182187832
This.

They spelled Seraph wrong, i've noticed that, too.

Not sure if on purpose or not.
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>>182187405
belica is a top pick fuck off.
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>>182188047
probably on purpose considering khaimera
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>>182187965
wait were you not shitposting? i thought you were cam meming. if you think belica needs a buff then im sorry anon but you are a shitter deluxe
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>>182187965
>But my drone gets smashed in 2 seconds at full level
use your drone defensively don't just plop it down anywhere
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>>182188225
speaking of that whats the list of characters /parag/ thinks needs buffs/ nerfs
how would you buff/ nerf em?
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>>182188205
Where does Khaimera come from? I'm not familiar with the name.
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>>182187405
>That ultimate is useless
>Combines the punishment of Pugna's Nether Ward via her 700+ health drone with Anti-Mage's nuke
>Not using it as an execute when they're low on mana
Come the fuck on, Anon. I played League for fucking years in Silver and even I know that's how she works.
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>>182188584
chimera its from greek lore as some fire breathing monstrosity thats a mix of lion falcon and snake
chimera as a term nowadays fiction can also be used to lable any mix match of creatures.
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>>182188584
http://3milliondogs.com/dogbook/11-dogs-and-cats-with-the-most-incredible-split-faces/
now that i think of it, my cat is kind of like this
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>>182188559
>buff
Iggy(they're doing this and it's going to be stupid)
grim
riktor
muriel
TB needs a less shit ult
>nerf
phase
rev
feel free to add your own
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>>182188559
Nerf list:
>Phase: entire kit makeover no other way to balance her
>Rev: make the Q have a targeting circle like serath's so it requires a little aim
>Morg: reduce the fucking AOE on Hive because its bullshit. you shouldn't be able to proc tainted and thickblood on an entire team by blindly throwing your shitball into a fight
the game is actually pretty well balanced in terms of needing nerfs its just those 3 who fuck a lot up. Post V41 Its mainly fucking Phase though, if you ever by a miracle of God get a match without her on either team its fucking amazing how much more fun and exciting the entire game is when you don't have to put up with her bullshit
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>>182189228
>>182188559
>nerf
Kwang
Belica
Sevarog
These three are definitely too strong right now.
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>>182189394
>Kwang
>Belica
>Sevarog
those first two mean you're a shitter and sev is already the toughest hero to play so that's enough balance.
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>>182189228
i miss twins old ult it would be great in monolith.
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>>182189493
All three are easy as fuck to play.

Every shitter can go 15/0 with them against a high elo team.
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>>182189228
>>182189616
>buffing the best carry in the game
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>>182189720
i don't see anyone talking about sparrow here
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>>182188559
Buff
>shinbi shes so shit holy fuck
>grim. i dunno what they need to do. better damage ult?
>twin bring back old ult.
Nerf
>phase delete from game
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>>182189818
>sparrow
>even in the top 3
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>>182189862
>i dunno what they need to do. better damage ult?
better damage for his ult and let him move when he uses it because they nerfed him way too hard
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>>182189862
Grim just needs his ult changed so its not worse than revs fucking Q. Other than that he's ok hes just a utility carry in a game where utility currently doesn't matter that much in comparison to raw damage and his hitbox is way too big
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>>182189862
>shinbi shes so shit holy fuck
Shinbis design is way too bad to be nerfed.

She should just be deleted with Phase.
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>>182189987
>picking murock or rev over her
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>>182190205
t. butt mad tribal shinbi head canon faggot
ur waifu is shit.
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>>182190287
>Serath
>Rev
>Sparrow
She makes it into the top 3, but it's close.
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>>182183942
Much obliged

>>182184819
Colouring techniques, layer properties, canvas size and pixel density. There's a lot, and I'm just scratching the surface.

>>182184968
No one wants to jerk it to cave paintings, anon, but we'll get there a few pictures down the line.
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>>182190205
>>182189862
shinbi is good you fools she's the best assassin in the game she's just not picked because of stasis

>>182190287
>twin
>rev
>serath
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>>182188559
>buff
morigesh, bring back v40
shinbi, increase the dash range
riktor, refill mana on successful pull
muriel, bring back knockup on ult and slightly buff each ability
grim, make it easier to aim with his "pushing" ability, shield lasts a little longer
iggy, turrets now apply a bit of slowdown, his sprints makes him go faster (so you can flank enemies and push them into your turret nest with your ult, you can also prevent towerdiving)
>nerf
phase, remove her from the game
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>>182190358
I just hate shitty designs.

Her design is even worse than Phase'.

She doesn't even look hot in her clothes, she just looks like a desperate attempt to make a sexy korean character.

>>182190451
I don't care how good she is, her design is so ugly, she doesn't deserve to be in an aesthetic game like Paragon.
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>>182190607
who are you to say what fits in the paragon universe?
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>>182190607
i bet you like greystones boring ass design.
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>>182190379
appreciate all the work you put in to get our little general some OC thanks buddy. can't wait for the lewd
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>>182191149
Greystones design might be boring, but at least it's not nearly as ugly as Shinbis and Phase'.
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>>182191817
>city folk look like city folk.
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>>182192173
City folk doesn't always look like complete shit, take Twinblast as an example.

His design is alright.
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>>182192783
>liking chadblast
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>>182192783
>twin blast is city folk
more like mad max folk.
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>>182193212
do you some kind of adverse reaction to the word twin anon? it's not funny, especially when you use it at every opportunity
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>>182151850
>>182152151
>>182152874
>>182154821
>>182157001
>>182155149
>>182160489
>>182163452
>>182163569
>>182163937
>>182165301
>>182163569
>Go outside, actually be productive with self
>come back to general in good mood
>read thread
>'On This Episode of: "Just Pull Yourself Out of Bad Elo Bruh LOL"
>pic related
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>>182193796
would you prefer i call him twinsies?
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>>182146318
We coming along /parag/, we're coming along...
>>182147148
I was actually upset that battleborn did so poorly. I thought it was a cool concept and had some good fap material but we all know what happened
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>>182193850
you're right its completely impossible to solo out of silver everyone who does it plays only in a 5 stack in every game and you actually belong in master league if it wasn't for your teammates
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>>182193796
are you really not aware of the "chad" meme
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>>182147780
>>182148305
Doing God's work
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>>182194242
yes i'm aware of the chad meme, again i'm annoyed by the repetition
>had to through four captchas to post this
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>>182193971
pheobe is best
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>>182194716
i dont understand why its just a meme name he's called here like half the cast has. kwang is referred to as /ourboy/ more than his actual name, sparrow gets called bush queen or something like that almost everytime someone talks about her, serath is half the generals "mommy" i dont understand why you're being so autistic about chadblast
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>>182183785
oh shit are you the guy like....40 threads ago who requested memes to redraw paragon style?
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>>182183785
>Phase's face has a look of absolute content and delight
>cat is wearing the fucking revenant poncho
>actually looks good
10/10
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>>182194716
>yes i'm aware of the chad meme, again i'm annoyed by the repetition
>Doesn't want the deadbeat dad to be known as the deadbeat dad aka chadblast
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>>182190607
>She doesn't even look hot in her clothes, she just looks like a desperate attempt to make a sexy korean character.
>anon's never seen k-pop before
uncultured swine
I bet you like women to stay in dresses
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>>182196459
I hate k-pop.
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If you guys could have one Youtube or Twitch streamer pick up Paragon who would it be?
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>>182197339
none, a streamer pickig up a game means their retarded fanbase comes with them and uses whatever garbage meme shit they do.
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>>182194118
>blanket solution for a game with thousands of players and shitters
I'd tell you to uninstall life but we need you to keep bumping the thread
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>>182194871
Ah, I see that you also are a man of chivalry and class.
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>>182197939
now what about the 50 games in between those 5 that you also lost and didn't improve from
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>>182197939
to be fair, I don't have a good support deck for phase either and picking any other support is the same as throwing your match at char select.
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>>182198102
shinbae lookin good when they adding that skin
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>>182198228
You mean the other 30 that are filled with people who don't know how to freeze/slow push, attack raptors/push lanes when the enemy is occupied etc?
These are just a few I even bothered and got remotely triggered with saving
>>182198317
Narbash can still put up a good fight but I'd urge you to build a custom deck for phase if you are ever in the support role
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>>182198576
>You mean the other 30 that are filled with people who don't know how to freeze/slow push, attack raptors/push lanes when the enemy is occupied etc?
are you under some delusion these same type of people arent on the other team? Why aren't you taking advantage of that?
you still haven't told me why i can make a smurf account and get out of silver instantly everytime i do it if its impossible to solo yourself out of it
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>>182198376
The heroes of Paragonâ„¢ are on a battlefield and would require realistic clothing/armor to be able to function within the lore. Therefore light clothing for Shinbi would not bode well (this does not include her default outfit) and in order to appeal to our female playerbase, skimpy clothing is seeming less likely as skins in the future. Heroes on the battlefield should act like they are on the battlefield.

This does not include the dancing or Twinblast dabbing.

Please continue to enjoy Paragonâ„¢
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>>182198317
I only play support when everybody else refuses to, and i am already lvl 6 with my Phase.
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>>182199092
Hey Cam love the game just wondering if you've considered adding a dancing emote for Sevarog? I feel like it would really brighten up his boring character, maybe he could do the macarena?
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>>182198940
>you still haven't told me why i can make a smurf account and get out of silver instantly everytime i do it if its impossible to solo yourself out of it
No one said it was impossible, and if they did then they're mistaken obviously
Secondly how do you then instantly break out of silver?
No wait let me guess, you stick with the roles/heroes who can/do the most work on the team and you carry the other 4 members, even if you've got shinbi and Iggy&Sc.
>>182198940
>Why aren't you taking advantage of that?
>Yeah lemme just push dis ol' lane here while I play me some Narbash
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>>182199491
I think he needs an emote in which he is rubbing his huge hammer with his big, strong, sexy hands.

Whoa, i'm already sweating when thinking about it.
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>>182199512
why are you playing low impact roles and heroes and then complaining when you have a low impact on the game? do you eat ice cream in the sun and complain when it melts?
>No wait let me guess, you stick with the roles/heroes who can/do the most work on the team and you carry the other 4 members, even if you've got shinbi and Iggy&Sc.
yeah actually i do. shinbi is good btw
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>>182200176
>why are you playing low impact roles and heroes
>What is learning/leveling and mastering heroes?
>complaining when you have a low impact on the game?
>Yeah lemme just wait for my carry to not do their job and twiddle my sticks as Narbash still

>do you eat ice cream in the sun and complain when it melts?
Only when other people with no ice cream are taking up all the shade
>That pic related
I don't see any iggy and Scorch + Shinbi in there
But keep trying though. Need these bumps so I'll keep taking the bait
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>>182200176
But anon, you played a carry.

Also
>26 days ago
What did he mean by this?
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>>182200580
>What is learning/leveling and mastering heroes?
>Yeah lemme just wait for my carry to not do their job and twiddle my sticks as Narbash still
so do you wanna play to win or not? if you wanna play to win then play to win, if you dont want to play to win then quit bitching about not being able to win.
>I don't see any iggy and Scorch + Shinbi in there
then you're blind because shinbi is right there
>26 days ago
>What did he mean by this?
it means ive been out of silver on that account for a month and haven't even played on it at all for over a week so i cant really give you recent pictures of silver games
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>>182193850
unless you're getting divebombed by smurfs you absolutely should be able to spampick adcs and climb
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>>182201019
>>I don't see any iggy and Scorch + Shinbi in there
>then you're blind because shinbi is right there
>>>>>>shinbi is right there
>>>>>>Iggy and Scorch + Shinbi
>Reading comprehension
I see who/what I'm dealing with here...
>so do you wanna play to win or not? if you wanna play to win then play to win, if you dont want to play to win then quit bitching about not being able to win.
>Thinking you can play to win and level up a viable hero is stupid and you can't do both at the same time
wew. lad.
>>182201074
No shit. No one said that you can't climb but saying that you can't get shitters often enough to remain stagnant in elo is an ignorant perspective
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>>182201519
im sorry i didn't have the exact team comp you requested
>Thinking you can play to win and level up a viable hero is stupid and you can't do both at the same time
narbash isn't viable in silver if you want to win. if you want to main support then get to at least mid plat first
>No shit. No one said that you can't climb but saying that you can't get shitters often enough to remain stagnant in elo is an ignorant perspective
no its not those same shitters are on the other team, the difference between me an you is that im not a shitter so in every game i play there are a maximum of 4 shitters on my team and 5 on my opponents where as with you the maximum is 5v5 with the added benefit that you're a retard who actually thinks hes good and likely is a toxic fucknigger in game when you keep fucking up
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>>182201949
>im sorry i didn't have the exact team comp you requested
You should be. If you understood what you read the first time you wouldn't need to type that instead of jumping at the chance to shitpost and protect your ego.
>>182201949
>narbash isn't viable in silver if you want to win.
>if you want to main support then get to at least mid plat first
No one said this. It's almost like you forget that people try to fill roles and make/salvage good team comps when they are in last draft pick only to lose out good roles to shitters
>that last paragraph
aaaaaand there it is.
Here's a (you) for getting btfo
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>>182203245
>You should be. If you understood what you read the first time you wouldn't need to type that instead of jumping at the chance to shitpost and protect your ego.
you've gone on several lengthy autistic rants attempting to damage control the fact you suck at a beta game no one cares about and that its not your fault that you do and I'm the one trying to protect my ego?
>No one said this.
but thats literally what you said
>It's almost like you forget that people try to fill roles and make/salvage good team comps when they are in last draft pick only to lose out good roles to shitters
why do you care about team comps in silver? i already said i played sparrow offlane or mid in half my games and still do when i play on that account even with it nearly in plat. Who gives a shit about team comp in shit leagues literally nonmeming pick 3 carries it doesn't matter.
>Here's a (you) for getting btfo
same for you glad i could try to help you get out of wood league
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>>182203767
>that its not your fault that you do
I never said that it can't be my on fault, but saying that it's the person's own fault for getting a team of shitters and therefore can't instantly rise in elo is still a stupid perspective.
>you've gone on several lengthy autistic rants attempting to damage control the fact you suck
insult me more brah
>at a beta game no one cares about
And yet here we are?
>but thats literally what you said
I never said that I mained Narbash or support. Pay attention and you know, read better
>>182203767
>why do you care about team comps in silver?
Oops, forgot to mention I balance gold/plat. Guess half this argument goes out the window
>"Like, just pick the carry brah"
>"Just pick a carry brah"
Yes there are roles that can carry the team, almost like they were made for that. I will concede that point. But again, there are heroes to level up. But don't ignore the fact that a team that feeds the enemy jungler, even non-purposefully can still fuck you over
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>>182204574
>I never said that it can't be my on fault, but saying that it's the person's own fault for getting a team of shitters and therefore can't instantly rise in elo is still a stupid perspective.
1 match means nothing and the game isn't rigged against you to the point you always get the worst team
>I never said that I mained Narbash or support. Pay attention and you know, read better
i never said you did if you want to be autistic about minutia which you clearly do
>Oops, forgot to mention I balance gold/plat. Guess half this argument goes out the window
why are you lying? you and i both know you aren't what do you get out of this?
>Yes there are roles that can carry the team, almost like they were made for that. I will concede that point. But again, there are heroes to level up. But don't ignore the fact that a team that feeds the enemy jungler, even non-purposefully can still fuck you over
what point are you even attempting to make here? feeding is bad?
>insult me more brah
you seem to have actual mental issues or social disorders and you lie about your abilities in a beta game that no one gives a shit about in a dead general on an anime image board
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>>182204574
nigga you ain't in fucking plat you didn't crop t-mack10 out of your faggy collage here >>182197939 and he's in fucking silver. the games matchmaking is shit but it doesn't match silvers with plats unless they 5 stack and that dude only queues up with 1 other person.
lmfao @ your life that you're actually lying about your double fake elo
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Autism man can make the easiest things sound so convuluted, lol.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtKXyCSRnpU
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>>182205562
>1 match means nothing and the game isn't rigged against you to the point you always get the worst team
Again, you can get shitters often enough that your elo can remain stagnant
>>I never said that I mained Narbash
>i never said you did
>if you want to main support then get to at least mid plat first
>>182205562
>why are you lying?
Pic related. Try harder
>what point are you even attempting to make here?
That playing the carry almost primarily can force matches more often than not to go your way. I was conceding that point
>>182206908
>nigga you ain't in fucking plat you didn't crop t-mack10
>The date on that image was months ago
here's a (you)
Do better though
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>>182208584
elo stagnates when you hit your skill cap and are no longer better than the people you play with. you're also 115 points away from even being in plat you're not balancing anything you're literally closer to silver than plat
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>>182209624
>you're also 115 points away from even being in plat you're not balancing anything you're literally closer to silver than plat
It's almost like a losing streak can lower elo?
That's how it works right?
losses lower elo?
I think that's it
No matter though I'll just play Greystone and Sparrow and pass 1400.
Again.
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>>182209860
balancing plat implies you have ever been close to it do you actually think anyone gives a shit about breaking 1400 people in 1400 are godawful i already posted proof of that >>181852417
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>>182210521
Oops meant 1500
Mercy me
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>>182210791
just stop man its sad at this point
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>>182210945
Nice point; anything else about you want to add about "just carry yourself brah?" or are you done getting btfo?
Also (you)
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>>182211075
yeah if you cant do it you're shit. im done with this autistic back and forth when im just wasting my time. you're one of those guys who will constantly think nothing is your fault and if you just had a team you'd be in diamond where you belong despite not being able to consistently win games in shitter leagues. have the last word and convince yourself you won or whatever i dont care anymore
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>>182211546
>you're one of those guys who will constantly think nothing is your fault
In none of my posts have I said this. I said that it's a stupid perspective if you think that you think that getting shitters frequently won't keep you shifting around the same elo
>have the last word and convince yourself you won or whatever i dont care anymore
>I'm gonna end this argument. I'm right, you're wrong.
>contrasting your own previous point that nothing is your fault and other people are to blame
>Lemme end this argument cause I can't defend my point anymore
shiggy
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>>182201519
>>182203245
>>182204574
>>182208584
>>182212035
>this more than likely literal sperg who tried to desperately say phase wasn't op and dekker got picked more than her and that belica was best as a tanky build offlaner is back
your posting style of always replying to every single sentence and constantly screaming btfo is a dead giveaway. fuck off back to wherever you went the last time you got ran off from these threads for being a fucking retard because you obviously havent improved and coming back to the general just to see it flooded with 20 posts of your bullshit and whoever is stupid enough to waste time trying to engage your dumbass is a waste of everyones time
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>>182213617
>literal sperg who tried to desperately say phase wasn't op and dekker got picked more than her and that belica was best as a tanky build offlaner is back
>Picking stuck up science bush over the homie Narbash
Fuck off little faggot. You're gonna call someone someone a sperg and you're focusing on people's "posting styles?" What kind of autistic derelict even bothers to do that?
Begone frog poster
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>>182214578
i notice you never denied it. i still have the fucking pick rate image saved that mercifully got you to leave the thread the last time you shit them up for hours trying to tell everybody phase wasn't OP. I know you're just going to respond with a bunch of shitty meme comebacks like the 15 year old /v/ shitposter you are since thats all you're actually capable of
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>>182215946
>i notice you never denied it
>Posted my pick rates showing that I never picked Dekker
Okay
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Is this thread always this fucking autistic now the last 25+ posts are aids holy fuck what happened to my comfy little general with my bushbros having fun if this is what getting popular does then I'd prefer to stay dead

>>182183785
good stuff man thanks a lot great to have our own OC maker
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>>182217236
Just carry yourself out of silver general brah
The bush is up and out of wood elo
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Does anyone have any tips for an aspiring riktor main? I can't really land the hooks and I just don't know how to combo his kit, can anyone help?
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>>182219090
I'd advise you to head into solo V ai and hit up whatever lane isn't taken by the AI, and just practicing your hooks. IT seems like a novelty but they'll really help assist you with leading.
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>>182219090
I never practiced Riktor myself but it seems like the most you can do is just lead and predict where the enemy will be.
I don't know how fast or slow Riktor's hook is but you're going to have to start playing mind games with your enemy
Start doing things like raisin your hook and chasing the enemy, and let them think they are just out of range; of course they will be in range but you want to make them only FEEL safe. This trick may work a few times in crucial moments or early farming
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close to 5 in a row guys dont die now
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>>182223495
NOT YET
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>>182225493
bump
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>>182221795
Man, when people are panicking, they never think about riktor's hook
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>>182228224
That's usually the best time to catch them; when they're not focused on you aiming your hook. Also forgot to say that try to do your hooks instantly if you're not using it to intimidate
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>>182199491
Fuck, now I unironically want this
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>>182199836
underrated
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>solo que
>pumped because everyone is amped and excited while I'm still awake on Monster after friends in 5 stack went to bed
>most intense solo air match ever
>second time playing Kalarri and loving it
>check after match
>feelsbadman.png

That Khai did hold his own, I'll give him that. Also got 245 bots to my 106.
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>>182233539
Never mind. They were a 5 stack and that Was their only loss of 4 games.
I feel better now.
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>>182233539
>dying 11 times with the Kallari
>contributing nothing to the team
>feeding the enemies
>only 50% contribution
>playing against a bronze player and only having 13 kills
>22 assists, that means you were not good enough to actually make the kills
>Revenant had to carry the whole team because you had no jungler
>even Greystone has almost as many kills as you
And people are still wondering why Kallari is considered an instand dodge?
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>>182233928
We were deathballing the majority of the time.
You must be super good at this game.
How do you even play with all those girls drooling onto your thumbs over your k/d?
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>>182234536
I-i was just joking because of t-the K-kallari dodge meme
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>>182234683
I don't post in this general often, all I hear about are bushes, my guy.
I rarely see bad Kallari's in plat, I don't dodge when I do.

What makes me dodge most is when the random gets carry if I'm in a not-full-party (100% loss rate so far, not kidding), or when everyone and their mom is typing a storm in the draft about how good they are, also a 100% loss rate.

Oh yeah, and if the other team is running both Khai and Countess ranked higher than 5, but always if there is a Phase, too.
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Wraith's ult isn't as strong as I thought it would be desu. They should change it to where he can send everyone on the enemy team back to base if he charges it for three seconds.
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>>182238672
lel.
I think his ult should be his rewind but it should rewind EVERYTHING about an enemy, health, cp, xp, mana, literally everything.
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>>182238672
>They should change it to where he can send everyone on the enemy team back to base if he charges it for three seconds.
You don't think that's a bit much?
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>>182238771
he should revert everyone into children. think of how cute a baby Grux would look.
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>>182239073
And think of how hot a baby Sparrow would be.
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>>182238771
With very little burst heals and regens in game this would usually be more helpful than harmful for the enemy though. Also would make it worse for catching escaping enemies.
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If i will ever have a gf i will make sure she looks like Serath.

Also bump.
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Wrong general, but theirs is so dead it ceased to exist and someone here might know. Why exactly is Smite dying? I tried it recently and it's pretty fun.
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>>181790176
What cards are must have for Phase,Khaimera,Greystone and Serath?
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>>182243058
Too many memes and a garbage pro scene, their thread was on lifesupport 8 months ago when I left them for Baeragon.

The game itself is still pretty fun for casuals, but trying to play it at a high level is/was exhaustingly unfun.
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>>182243290
Greystone is tainted magic and radiant mantle
Madspore sash for Khaimera
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>>182243290
>Quenching scales
>Barrier of Will
>thick blood
>circlet of health (early game)
Are pretty useful for Phase.
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>>182243058
They don't have actual graphics
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>>182246630
forgot pic
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>>182247463
Yeah, he's pretty fun.
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>>182247463
no
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>Gadget is the only person dragging our team down in mid
>doesn't pay attention to map, help in fights
>Might as well be throwing
>0-5 at 17 minutes
>After match: 'report gadget'
>Gadget: " .I. report this noob "
>Hope that everyone on the team remembered to report the shitter
>Exit after match scoreboard
>WITH YOUR HELP THE OCD HAS CAUGHT ANOTHER SUSPECT!
>mfw
It may not really do anything that matters but damn does it feel good sometimes
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what does each waifu smell like? serath would be burning cinnamon
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>>182251512
This general really is taking creative bumping to a whole new level.
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>>182251698
i do what i can to keep us going strong
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>>182251512
morigesh is just mud and poop
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Game 1
>I'm last pick, so I end up supporting safelane Wukong
>he fights minions ahead of his own wave while Morigesh is pelting him with hives
>I abandon him after 4 deaths to help the offlaner
>Wukong ends the game at 0-21

Game 2
>offlaning as Kwang versus a solo Yin who gets no help from her jungler until I've killed her 6 times
>go 7-0-4 in the easiest game I've ever played because my team all know what they're doing and the enemy team don't
Both of these games were back to back, and if that doesn't show how fucked the matchmaking is and how random your chances of progressing through the ranks are, I don't know what does.
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>>182253176
>0-21
Are you sure he wasn't a troll?
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>>182251512
Sparrow smells like fresh evergreen.
Or Belica's mouth
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>>182253443
He had 10 games, lost 9 and was clearly "trying his best", it's just that his best was terrible. I didn't good job or flame him in chat, because it's entirely possible it was just some kid or someone with an actual disability. I'm not trying to sound cruel by saying that, believe me, but that doesn't change the fact that they were hands down the worst player I've seen in about 9 months of playing this game.
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https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/news/v-41-2-store-update
remember when they said they wouldn't add out of place skins or emotes
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>>182253942
The fuck?
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I'm new, but not new to mobas. Wasted 2k hours of my life in LoL and Dota EACH. Now I'm hooked on this game. Where can I read more about this dreaded august update?
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>>182256039
watch the community corner videos from the past month or so on their youtube page thats all the info we've been given about it so far
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>>182256039
search Paragon Community Corner on Youtube: that's where they do most of the talking about it.
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Catching up with you, !BestKwang.
Unless you've gotten even better over the last month.
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https://www.epicgames.com/paragon/en-US/news/the-next-big-update

brand new bush in 41.3
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>Final Monolith art update
>Iggy Rework
>Entirely new itemization (Card System rework)
>Rebalanced in-game economy
>Full gameplay rebalance (based on card and economy changes)
>New Mastery system
>Our next ranged carry
>And more!
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>>182243290
>phase
stasis gem, cast converter, thickblood, gift of the rains x2, situational tainted magic, early game chrono tonic ->mindflow->chronomancer disk if possible, a dummy ward

>greystone
having an early game tempered plate + tuned barrier is really helpful to being tanky. just filled out with 1-1-1 cards. Tainted magic, radiant mantle, late game tempered/tuned, i usually have an early game eldermage amulet with HP on it, and thunder cleaver.
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>>182257765
>Looking ahead we have Zinx shipping in v.41.3; bringing mega sustain to the offlane.
CAM IS ACTUALLY MAKING A BETTER PHASE THE MADMAN ACTUALLY DID IT
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>>182257765
>>182257998
Ooooh.
>final art update
This is honestly what I want to see most: Monolith looks, and I'm trying to be nice here, like complete shit. Hope the jungle becomes more like Legacy's/ the tutorial map's, because right now it's a joke.
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>>182257765
>reworks replace getting new heroes
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>>182257765
>cards have a level system now
>all the affinity symbols have been redone
>every card seems to have an active or passive now indicated on the bottom of the card
kind of surprised they literally redid all the cards instead of just modifying the ones they already had. i guess they needed something for their art department to do when they werent changing color gradients and releasing them for $7
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>epic couldnt even be fucked to give us shitty recolors this week
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There was a comment there a minute ago where a guy was asking about map size and tower damage, and when I replied to it, it was gone. People had downvoted it a bunch, and some Reddit fgt had replied saying something like "this troll needs feeding nom nom".
Did Epic remove it because their community can't stand the idea of having a dissenting opinion in the comments section, or am I just blind?
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Anyone else having issues since the update? Death sounds not activating, some lag, and player icons/ text on pings being tiny?
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I don't feel like writing out a movelist but a hero that's like a Persona user summoning some kind of powerful being to fight for them would be cool. I guess other mobas have stuff like that right? In Paragon it would probably be more like the spirit or whatever only comes out during abilities and then vanishes away.
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>>182257998
I'm guessing that's the view of the right jungle from the fog wall, with green to the left. Doesn't look like there's an Amber link anymore, and the jungle looks just as flat and boring as ever.
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>>182262329
is that not the Amber link smack dab in the middle?
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>>182262329
the amber link is the giant ball right in the middle
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>>182262497
There doesn't seem to be any visual indicator of how much Amber would be stored in it, though, unless it opens up or has some hud element beside it. I'd wager it's going to be like the harvesters in the tutorial map: a nod to something that used to be there, but I guess it's possible that the new economy system just changes how that's represented and we just don't know yet.
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>>182262213
no moba has that you're retarded
>>
i miss harvesters
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>>182261526
i fucking wish those recolors were $7. try spending $60 on crates and not even getting ONE for your main
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>>182263770
harvesters were dumb as fuck and outside of the two jungle ones not even worth the time it took to set them
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>>182263950
they were an interesting mechanic that added objectives to the map and map gameplay more interactive for supports and junglers
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>>182264058
its not an objective if no one cares about them, the jungler would take a key on spawn and set the two jungle ones up then ditch it when he backs and past that no one gave a fuck, you're not gonna waste an item slot the whole game so your team can possibly have an extra 1/10th of a card level every 40 seconds and even then only if someone is right there to drain them. they were one of those things where it sounds like a fun innovative thing and creates an objective but in practice is shit and a complete waste of time. bring back orb dunking though that was some great shit even if it was broken as fuck
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>>182264403
>no one cares about them
>t. silver
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>>182263950
Took no time with keys, bruv.
I liked how you could demoralise the enemy team by having your own harvesters up in their jungle. Bonus for making it so they had to waste time taking yours down and building theirs back up.
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>>182198102
How do you people find these pictures? The reverse image search gives one source, and it's full of SU faggotry, Sonic autism and Nintendo maymays.
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>>182264531
high gold low plat on legacy from when i picked this game up in august sorry

>>182264540
wasn't really demoralizing when they didn't do anything past the first 10-15 minutes of the game, someone wasting time taking a harv and then setting it instead of using that time on an actual objective was fine with me
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>>182263897
>spending 60 dollars on crates

That was your first mistake
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>>182265003
>they didn't do anything past the first 10-15 minutes of the game
I remember getting bumped over into the 3 cxp I needed to finish a card from a teammate collecting from a harvester while I was dead or at base a bunch of times man, so even if they weren't massively game-changing, they still had some function.
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>>182265603
Plus it felt like you were doing something with the harvesters as opposed to the amber link where you just wait for it to reward you
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>>182265603
you'd get that from the drip the game has anyway though. harvesters just simply didn't work, they gave 325 or 375 i dont remember which cxp when they were full which is less than a single minion wave gave they were placed in dumb locations because you weren't going to go drop into prime pit or go to the corner of the map for them and they had a terrible mechanic of needing the key to set them without standing on them for an hour. thats why people only fucked with the two jungle ones, they weren't out of the way and you could just hit them when you're walking back from a recall. it was never worth putting yourself in danger for any of the others when you can just freeze a lane and get triple the farm
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>>182260626
>Hope the jungle becomes more like Legacy
SO MUCH THIS
Legacy's jungle was probably the best one in any moba ever

Also do you think that this update will really be THAT bad? I don't want this game to be ruined, but the devs have already showed that they must have negative IQ levels. What pisses me off the most though, are not even balancing issues, but the fact that they are consequently stripping the game off all the original elements. Why are mobas the only genre which just fucking refuses to go forward and innovate? Some of these "standard" mechanics are the way they are only because the first moba was a fucking Warcraft mod for fucks sake
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>>182261526
This is what I'm really looking forward to hopefully deck building is less complicated and more fun now.
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>>182263458
no moba has a hero that summons another thing to fight for them?
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>>182266146
>Why are mobas the only genre which just fucking refuses to go forward and innovate?
Because game devs are idiots and the playerbase is worse.
>We want the League audience but we added a few unique takes to it
>"This game is ok, but League doesn't do these things the game would be better if you removed them."
>We removed almost all our unique takes on the genre
>"Why the fuck would I play this shitty ripoff game I'm sticking with League."
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>>182266106
I'm not sure how much they paid out (watching some old Nibori Legacy videos now, I'll keep an eye out), but I get what you're saying. I did often hit the harvester close to the t2 on my way back to lane, though, so even if it wasn't a crazy amount, you were still helping your team a little. 375 cxp might not be a lot individually, but spread across 5 teammates it's still a pretty nice boost.
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>>182266438
thats not entirely what a persona is though anon. personas are aspects that the character controls because the actual character is useless
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>>182266578
yes but the reason why I said more like a Persona because Paragon is a third person action game. completely switching control from your hero to another entity sounds jarring and confusing but I guess it's not impossible to pull off.
>actual character is useless
some persona users are strong on their own
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>>182251512
Sevarog smells like the souls of your rotten waifus.
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>>182267843
And rainfall
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>>182251512
shinbi's breath and face smells like my seed
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>>182261526
that art isn't half bad
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>>182268424
Unfortunately, this will probably be the only thing in this update about which you can say so
Let's pray otherwise though
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>>182262767
The orange surrounds the ball fucknut.
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>>182268792
i honestly don't think the update will be that bad, for all the cam memes the gameplay itself has always been good and the teaser cards they've added as a preview of the new system have made the game better. if they quit trying to swing their dicks and call everyone retarded instead of just admitting they suck at hero balancing and fixing it the game would be in a really good state right now
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I just left a game because someone was rude to me and I don't even care what you think.
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>>182267950
What a wonderful smell he has
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>>182257998
I hope this time we will have textures on PS4...
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>>182265447
spending any money on crates was his first mistake, spending 60 was one of the next ones though
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>>182269318
I'm not sensitive, but if someone's just being a dick in the chat, the game has already been lost

Also, who dis
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>>182271284
That's...Mike Stoklasa from Red Letter Media.
He is not, as far as is commonly known, a tubby gay interracial porn star, so get that shit out of your head.
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I actually really liked the vibe on this iteration of Monolith: the colours really made the map look great, instead of the day-glo toka truck atmosphere it's got going on now. I mean, the decorations around the core looked like shit, but the sombre grey everywhere else was great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgVvEO2SqT8
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Interested in trying this out. Is it better to check out the PC or PS4 version?
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I need some friends who play paragon. I'm really tired of solo queuing and losing b/c of bad team comps
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>>182276559
don't matter
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>>182276559
PC obviously
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>>182276826
If you're a fellow silver shitter I will gladly help. I have experience and know theory, but lack skill and will to play often enough to develop it.
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>>182187405
>>182188745
This, it is literally the highest dmg ult in the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DvmxWbACeM
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>>182277940
Hell yeah, I just need more than myself to play with y'know?

>tfw I will always be a silver shitter no matter how hard I try
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>>182261526
>>182268424
They got some Ruan fucking Jai tier art on the cards

imagine this fucker drawing your waifu and you being able to equip that card
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>>182278084
1:12
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>>182278404
Username's sargos, I'm on the general's player list. Feel free to add me, I will gladly play something tomorrow, because today it's almost midnight already where I live.
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>>182278404
>>tfw I will always be a silver shitter no matter how hard I try
I thought that too, but now i am a gold shitter.

There is no difference to the players in silver though.
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