/sthg/ - Sonic the Hedgehog General

first for speed

second for fast

Third for furious

fourth for team dark

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Group of Shadow-like creatures: destroyed!

>>181526715
Seventh for Amy is cutest girl.

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>>181425572
>>181428619
More Fleetway.
We're now on the so called "Death Egg" saga run. Effectively Robotnik's constant attempts to relaunch the Death Egg serve as the kind of series McGuffin for the S&K Fleetway story arc.

You may recall that after its discovery by Knuckles' embedded skull chip, Sonic and Co. abandoned their underground lair and disgused themselves as carnies.

I just had my mind blown. I've never before seen the 99 lives glitch with Rouge in Security Hall.

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>>181527260
Bob Beaky is Fleetway Sonic's alter-ego / disguise. Or is it like Superman and sonic is the disguise? Normally in soviet attire, Beaky features a top hat and innuendo here.

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>>181527503
At least they're lamp-shading how Robotnik is transporting materiel up to the floating island here, but really this raises more questions than it answers. Why doe the thruster need to be driven across a bridge instead of flown. Why a helicopter? Why not uses cranes? Why do I care about the efficiency of fictional booster rocket transportation? I hate growing up.

Why Fleetway Tails is allowed to man the computer is anyone's guess.

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>>181527881
So here we still have a rather Egg Shaped Death Egg.

There's a rather interesting choice of broken/floating sections of the island in the first panel. This will become relevant in the next issue at the conclusion of the Knuckles Carnival Night Conspiracy storyline. But for now, well never mind...

Anyone else think the Eggman's Brother episode of Sonic Boom had weird animation or something?

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>>181528334
I wonder what the specific impulse of the thruster is? What kind of Delta-v would it take to get something like the Death Egg into orbit? Hard Mode: No orbital assembly

I don't know how I feel about Sonic planting explosive mines. This doesn't seem like something the UN would condone.

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>>181528546
This more advanced Badnik guard is a kind of proto-type for the Brutus character who comes up inthe Cybernik stories. I think.
Mostly he reminds me of a cross between Megatron and an Orc Warboss.

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>>181528797
I swear half the designs on this page are from a Transformers episode.

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What am I in for?

>>181525743
Just a heads up that the /sthg/ Level Development Kit was updated last thread

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw9wQojS0lxpbXpxRWZiOFNWSHM/view

>>181529291
An online fan version of the old Fleetway comic endorsed by the original staff (who have also worked on the online version) that apparently hasn't been updated in over a year.

I haven't read any of it so I've no idea of the quality. Have fun.

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>>181529291
>Sonic
>blue bomber
wut

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Rail Canyon is a cool level!

>>181530971
We need another game with Heroes' and Colors' aesthetics. A mainline game with Riders' aesthetics would blow my dicc right the fuck off and into the sun

>>181530971
Worst level in the game.

Bullet Station is far better.

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Hang Castle is cool too!

Reminder that there's a Sonic block later today on SGDQ

Sonic CD 2011 (Tails Any%)
Sonic Generations (Any%)
Sonic Colours (Egg Shuttle)

>>181532557
I assume you're going to be talking, anon?

>>181532691
Of course

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>>181532557
>GDQ

>>181497961
>Also he's not a great character designer. Not a terrible one, but he really should leave to people who are actual ARTISTS

What character designs do you take issue with?

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I used to think Power Plant was the worst level in the game but I changed my mind after learning about all the cool shortcuts and high paths there are.

Uh anons, I got my pants but there's something else in here that I didn't order and I'm wondering if they're giving a nod to Sonic's crossover.

>>181531748
>Bullet Station is far better.
And has the best theme.

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>>181533950
Obviously, it would make more sense to have the picture..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLpYdISEq9k

>>181534710
I haven't been following your posts, but I'm assuming those are the pants but what's the Hello Kitty thing?

And I bet you did order them

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>>181537129
A-Anon please, they were already unavailable before I bought the Sonic ones.

They're also pants apparently.

>>181537568
Well now you have to wear them, anon.
Show Sonic how much you appreciate his crossovers they probably just wanted to get rid of them

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Are you all wearing your Sonic The Hedgehog™ merchandise as you prepare for the Summer™ Games™ Done™ Quick™ Sonic the Hedgehog™ Block tonight?

>>181537687
How does one take a picture with a chaos emerald?

>>181537667
I will anon! I would have though Hello Kitty would be popular more but maybe not for Insert Coin.

>>181537687
I can now, anon.

I just discovered sonic dreams collection and I'm highly confused. Is there a deeper meaning to whatever the fuck is that? Or is it just a meme?

>>181537821
I screamed on the toilet a hella long time.

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>>181538270
Yeah, I hear that shit sucks. Hope you didn't have to get stitches. I've had time stones before, myself.

Soda: Not even once.

>>181529643
>>181529291
It gets grimdark. Like, we're talking realistic violence and blood.

>>181539269
It's not as bad as you're making it sound.

>>181538439
No stitches, I try not to watch comedies while pushing one out, it's too distracting.
>>181538349
So for me would the equivalent of this be slamming the busty™ bat for a week?

>>181534064
No contest.

>>181531748
Both of them suck. So does Frog Forest.

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>>181539987
>So does Frog Forest
Too far buddy.

>>181539987
>So does Frog Forest.

How about you shut the fuck up?

Every Heroes level sucks, the only question is which ones sucks less than the rest. It's usually the ones with interesting spectacle like the intros to Egg Fleet and the atmosphere of Final Fortress, but it's not actually the level design that are interesting in those levels.

>>181528471
The sections where the shapeshifter took on the looks of others was cheap. You could easily pinpoint the moment the model was replaced with theirs, the special effects doing diddly squat to actually cover it.

>>181540374
But Egg Fleet does have good level design?

>>181532557
How later we talking here?

>>181530971
>getting to that part with everyone on a different rail
good shit

>>181540495
No it doesn't, it has level design that's slightly less shitty than the rest. Heroes is simply too fundamentally flawed to call any of the gameplay good.

>>181540374
More than half of Heroes's levels have good level design. Rail Canyon, Bullet Station, Frog Forest, Lost Jungle and Final Fortress fucking suck, but the rest are fine.

Yes even Bingo Highway. Only babbies who can't git gud hate that level.

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How can someone not like Final Fortress? The advanced shortcuts you can take with Team Dark in it are great.

>>181540587
About 3 hours I think

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>>181539987

>>181540854
>That time Amy referenced Sonic Adventure.

>>181541072
>That time Knuckles referenced Sonic 3 and Knuckles

>>181541072
>that time Amy said "Oh my God!"

>that kid who spin-dashed into class

>>181541312
She said gosh

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>>181541697
No

>>181541867
God exists in Sonic's World?

>>181541867
>>181542069
jesus the hedgehog confirm?

>>181542069
We have Solaris at the very least, or we used to, that is.

Do you think Sonic believes in God?

>>181542132
I think Jesus would be a Lamb or something.

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>>181542296
>not getting the joke

>>181542435
>Implying a know every single inside joke in this fandom.

>It works better in-game.
https://twitter.com/sonic_hedgehog/status/881919189509824513

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>>181542270
Of course

>>181542596
Fuck I forgot about that picture...

>>181542596
You know, I sometimes wonder why you guys cry autism when shit like this is obviously made by children. Kids are going to be cringey.

>>181545189
>implying we get happiness even in death

>>181546058
Oh, you don't get happiness.
Everyone else does.

>>181542225
Still Have dark Gaia, and Chip, pretty sure those two are gods.

>>181546915
Very true.

>>181546915
Also Chaos. Hell, even Forces is bringing him back, so he's more relevant than he's been in years.

>>181542069
>>181542225
>>181546915
YOU KNOW NOTHING, FOOL! IT'S CHAOS! THE GOD OF DESTRUCTION!

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>>181540725
>Yes even Bingo Highway. Only babbies who can't git gud hate that level.

There's no "gitting gud" when the controls are absolute garbage on those bingo tables. This isn't even up for debate. It's a fact that the controls in those sections are incredibly overly sensitive and almost always lead to death at the slightest twitch.

Even after you learn how to properly wrangle the controls and coerce Sonic and friends to stay on the table, there's no guarantee that you won't suddenly be launched to your doom for no good reason. The same applies to a lot of sections in Heroes.

tl;dr Maybe Sonic Team should have gotten gud at programming pinball physics instead.

For the record, I don't even hate that level. But anyone who doesn't have their head jammed up their ass can tell you that it's hilariously broken.

>>181544713
It's like cringing over OCs, even though the majority of those who make them are like 10 years old.

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>>181547035
this duo is just so cute, And since Chip has a cute form why not dark gaia as well.

>>181547790
They're still crap though, and deserve to be mocked, if only to dissuade people from doing that

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Shadow may not believe in god. But he is the only one of the main cast who will go to heaven.

>>181548919
Because he fucks Bridget?

>>181549130
Because he is moral. And not a narcissist who does things in vain.

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It's time to take a bath, Sonic!

>>181549257
careful with his ears! he could get sick

>>181548919
I'M THE CHOSEN ONNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNE

>>181549376
https://instagram.com/p/BWFC1wABPHt/

>>181547862
Chip doesn't have a cute form, he is the cute form. He just controls a temple mech.

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interestingly enough if you think about it, Mobius has a pantheon.

From left to Right. Mephillies, Iblis, Dark Gaia, Light Gaia, Black Doom, Mother Wisp, Lumina, Void.
(pic by Cylent-Nite)

>>181549957
>counting aliens
>those awful redesigns of the gaias
The aliens and Iblis look neato though.

>>181549957
Chip became a big boy

>>181549957
>aliens
>beings from a dream world
>Mephiles and Iblis never existed
I do like the design of Light Gaia, though. Not so much Dark Gaia.

>>181550448
For you.

>>181549246
He's pro-Steal-Candy-From-Babies.

That's over the fucking line.

>>181549957
>Mobius

>>181550276
the concept is that these deities all have different form depending on there power, so in essence low power equals look like Chips from in Sonic Unleashed. Awakening is mobian form, and eventually the become crystalline like mephillies, then monsters of increasing size and ability..

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here are their mini "chip" forms they look adorable.

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I dropped an old tv on my foot, meaning I can't go fast.
Well /sthg/, what's your excuse?

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>>181550724

>>181550724
Shadow's just thinking of the babies health. If they eat too much candy, they'll end up getting tooth decay.

See? He's a nice guy.

>>181551395
I dropped a tv carefully onto my table and I can't stop watching it meaning I can't go fast.

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Sure is dead today

Human on Mobian is the purest love

>>181553670
Make it lively then, anon. Just do it nicely,
please?

>>181553835
I'm too busy watching SGDQ. Sonic block next

>>181553670
Dead like Sonic will be at the end of Forces.

>>181554018
You mean Tails.

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>>181553670
All my OPs are cursed. Onward.
>>181528958 >>181424343
I don't understand what the blanked out boxes on this page are about. Some editorial reference to the earlier story maybe? Anyway Grouchio's call here references the other half of the conversation in >>181528334

>>181554118
You mean Sticks since Sonic Forces will sell so well that Sega won't bother making another Sonic Boom game ever again not to mention Sonic Boom isn't getting another season either

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>>181554402
Is it just me or does the transport ship for the paying park patrons resemble the prisoner transport from an earlier storyline?
The economic implications of this boggle the intellect.

>>181554630
Nah. Sticks was made by Sonic Team, also known as glorious Nippon. She's already been shilled outside of Boom, and will continue to be shilled so that Sonic Team proves its superiority in character design and all other aspects possible!

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>>181554816
Did Knuckles come up from underneath, or tunnel through the arm? It's all a bit confusing this issue.

>>181555148
It's looks like they can feel it for quite a while, so it might have all been through the arm.

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Reminder that the new build of the Sonic Level Dev Kit is in the OP. Thanks to whomever did that, by the way. If you need info on what you can do with the engine, or you need some guidance, I'm here.

>>181554630
>Sonic Boom not getting another season
Well, at least it'll end on a high. No cliffhangers, no unfinished plots, no looking back on it and going "Well apart from the episode with Helen it was all bad"

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>>181555148
The eagle eyed will note that Knuckles is sporting his OC boxart smirk in the first panel. I think Elson broke it out for any of Knuckles' debonair moments.
I'm pretty sure the badniks this issue are sans-batteries. Or else this park is far more sinister than it appears.

>>181555624
but my waifu will be gone

Sonic block is on at SGDQ

>>181556339
fuck off

YOU GUYS TOLD ME WOMEN DIDNT PLAY SONIC

>>181556436
But fast!

>>181556339
Nobody. Gives. A. Damn.

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>>181556321

>>181556620
Why the anger? It's just a speedrun.

>>181556339
>Sonic CD
>as Tails
no thanks

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>>181556620

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Why does official art Sonic only have three spines?

Why so slow, /sthg/?

>Generations Green Hill blindfolded
I feel like this will cause shitposting.

>>181558491
>speedrunners are autisitc
What else is new? What Green Hill can you not do blindfolded?

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>>181558708
Are you implying that Green Hill Zone could possibly be completed merely by holding a single button?

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>>181558267
The same reason Mickey Mouse's ears always face towards the camera, barring Kingdom Hearts: To keep up that recognizable silhouette.

>>181558491
It depends on if it's Act 1, or Act 2. I do Act 2 blindfolded all the time as a party trick. People love it because they have no idea how easy it is.

>>181558708
Can you do Adventure 2's?

>>181558918
Someone can, but not me. I suck.

>>181558913
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_sn-tzO5YU

>>181558918
They never specified, but I would hope it's both acts.

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>>181559265
>It's only Act 2
Boooo. Casual.

>>181559493
>It's neither
Scammed

>coolblue

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>>181558913 >>181559104
Emerald hill is completeable pressing only right I think.
>>181555765
Kitching captured a lot of the real Groucho's wit here in Grouchio's quick retorts and barbs.
It strikes me that Knuckles could in theory drive the customers off of the Island. I guess you're not supposed to think this far in.

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This general is TOO SLOW.

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>>181556339
>/sthg/ dead during Sonic speedruns
>/v/ thread getting spammed by Freedom Planet autist

Is it ok to dump Team Dark images if the thread is dead anyway?

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To get this thread moving, post some of your favorite badniks to please the metallic overlord.

>>181562156
I like Mecha Knuckles. He barfs missiles.

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>>181562156

>>181560270
I honestly kinda like how Fleetway Knuckles hair constantly goes up & down. Wonder if any other media had that.

>>181549957
Mephiles and Iblis are just two halves of one god, though, and they definitely aren't gods on their own. Dark Gaia and Light Gaia could be considered gods. Black Doom is just king of the evil aliens. Mother Wisp is just alien momma. Lumina and Void are in the same situation as Mephiles and Iblis, though they might be powerful enough to be considered gods. Furthermore, if you consider all those people gods, you'd have to consider Chaos a god.

I'LL MAKE YOU EAT THOSE WORDS.

I'm honestly kinda liking this slow /sthg/. GHPAnon uploaded a 2.0 of his dev kit, right? What type of stage do you guys plan on making?

>Japanese Generations Rooftop Run is just called Orange Roofs
Weird.

>>181563321
First thing I tried was to see if some kind of pinball was possible.

>>181561970
frokenok's sonic gens run crashed. rip

>>181563526
I don't think that's how that works. If you have more than 3 options than it kind of defeats the purpose.

>>181562992
i do just there is no picture with these guys i can post.

>>181563793
That sucks.

>>181563869
He crashed at Planet Wisp Act 1, after doing Act 2 to boot.

Forces better have a good PC port.

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>Cash Cash's Super Sonic Racing

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>that fucking spike glitch

>>181564150
Don't worry, Gens and Lost World did.

>>181564207
No clue that existed.

>>181563619
Did it?

>>181564428
I'd need to mess around with some of the options but yeah I don't see why not

>>181560270
At the time, the only other reference for Knuckles' dredds wre, well, dredds.

>>181564207
>the caterkiller glitch
>the slope glitch
fuck man

Oh, he's doing both Green Hill acts blindfolded.

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>>181563619
Interesting! You should know that there isn't currently a 2D Spline component in the engine, so something with forced 2D might be difficult. What did you have in mind for it?

IF YOU BELIEVE IN SONIC

DON'T BOTHER TO CHOOSE

IF IT'S GENERATIONS

OR ADVENTURE AND BOOM

JUST GO AND PLAY 'EM

IT WILL START SMILE

THAT WON'T WIPE OFF YOUR FACE

NO MATTER HOW HARD YOU TRY

YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING

SO DON'T EVEN TRY

GET SOME HELP

DON'T DO WHAT SONIC DOES

SONIC, DEAD OR ALIVE

IS MINE

>>181561363
>>181561970
>tfw still don't have internet at my new place to be able to post freely.

>>181568029
GET FUNKY

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I wanted to practice digital painting and Sage is fun to draw and cute.

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>>181570072

What is THE popular opinion among Sonic fans that is killing the franchise?

>>181570072
Sage is the best

>>181570618
That that game I don't like is good.

>>181569613
top 10 video game bromances

>>181570618
Classic Sonic is good and needs to be a mainstay of the franchise.

Now 3/4 of the past major releases have all had Classic Sonic, and it's just a fucking waste to be honest.

Generations is justified, Mania is too, but Forces is 100% indisputable proof that Iizuka is tacking on Classic Sonic to everything because its what he thinks fans want now.

>Generations was popular, lets just copy that formula again! Classic Sonic, remixed locations, old bosses, they'll love it... Again!

The classic games were never even that fucking good in the first place, move the fuck on already

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>>181570763

>>181570618
Pretty much this entire post >>181570930

>>181570930
So what's your favorite game(s), anon?

>>181570618
"Gotta Go Fast."
Not really an opinion, but it's a constantly spouted phrase that has managed to infect the very way that the games have been designed. I believe that that phrase is the reason that a Boost Pad was placed in front of that loop in Forces.

>>181570930
all the genesis games are the pinnacle of platforming my friend

>>181571482
2D Sonic games have nothing on Donkey Kong Country games.

>>181571479
I wonder what other retarded shit you believe in.

>>181571645
they're actually pretty, for one

>>181571456
3&Knuckles, Rush/Rush Adventure, Shadow and Heroes and Generations.

Yeah I know, my taste doesn't exactly lend itself well, neither to my post, nor what makes a good Sonic game.

Main point is I don't want more Generations, one was perfect. I'm looking forward to Forces for all of the things that make it different from Generations, not similar. I'm sick of Classic Sonic. Modern Sonic is like 65% 2D anyways, Classic Sonic is fucking unnecessary. I've played and beat all the classic games, and Generations, I will play and beat Mania. Why the fuck do we need Classic Sonic in any more games, like Forces (and beyond?)

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I'm so thirsty for more info on Forces, I want to play it so badly

>>181571732
He's right though. "Gotta go fast" has resulted in the franchise abandoning speed as a reward in favor of just giving it to you as the core gameplay.

>>181571732
A boost pad in front of a loop is kinda dumb, tho. You don't need that to go fast in a Sonic game & I say this as someone who's hyped for Froces

>>181571918
Not that, stupid.

>>181571918
>speed as a reward meme
THIS is what needs to die

>>181571810
Huh, you seem more all around/well rounded than I thought you were based on spoiler. I will admit that I agree with nearly all your points though otherwise.

Thank you for sharing.

>>181572029
It's not a meme though, it's the truth.

>>181571858
follow nakamura on twitter, otherwise wait until after mania releases

>>181571960
Not that anon, but it's easier to point out what you're referring to that would make you say that instead of calling someone stupid for misinterpreting you, anon.

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>>181572029
>games shouldn't reward the player for being good
>there should be no challenge at all, just let the player press a button to win
Your mentality is killing games in general, not just Sonic games.

>>181572029
It's not really a meme, tho. In the classic games, the more momentum you built up, the faster you were able to go. Now I don't hate Boost, but in games like Generations, it was far too easy to go fast in that game. It's why I'm glad the Boost in Forces is only possible by getting the Wisp capsule.

>>181571479
>>181571930
A boost pad before a loop probably has more to do with the casualization of games in general.

>>181572292
They are stupid for misinterpreting me when I repeat the same keyword as the post I replied to. You'd think he'd make that connection.

>>181571479
I wish people were more open to Sonic in other genres. You can't really go fast in something like an RPG or a fighting game, but I want to see those things because I like both those genres as well as numerous of the other characters in Sonic.

I think my dream Sonic game would be an action RPG with combat that's at least as fun as Kingdom Hearts.

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Sonic Adventure remastered when?

>>181570618
That having ANY automation at all is a bad thing. I 100% agree that there are instances in modern titles where automated segments can be obnoxious such as in that segment of Classic's gameplay from Forces, but in a 3D environment where Boost can get a little slippery it's good to align the player and take care of parts that otherwise may be awkward like corkscrews or loops. Plus it gives the player a little breather.

>>181572340
>implying boost is just "push button to win"
If you actually take a few minutes to dissect the gameplay of boost games, you'll know that it absolutely still rewards good players, you just go faster.

This has basically been the case since Sonic 2, only boost creates the visual illusion of going faster.

As the games went on, they were ALWAYS getting more and more streamlined to present "setpeices" where the player finds it easier to go faster with little-to-n obstacles. Again, been like this since Sonic 2.

Boost has changed very little, the success of the mechanic revolved entirely around level design, not the stupid notion that pushing a button to move faster is inherently bad.

>>181572343
I know how momentum works in the games m8, and I actually agree about your point about the Wisp.

Again, level design is the key here. People who sperg out about boosting ruining muh "earn your speed" are retarded and completely missing the point.

>>181572214
>>181572340
>>181572343
Not him, but IMO the Genesis games weren't about rewarding you with speed. They were about giving you speed and seeing how well you kept it up.

That doesn't mean the game should play itself and you should press X to win like recent games have done, but giving Sonic a gas pedal would be pretty great as it lets you focus on avoiding obstacles and doing tricks.

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>tfw we're past E3
>tfw we haven't gotten any new Sonic Channel style art from the twitter or otherwise
>tfw just as the new guy really got the style down
I swear everything is happening opposite of how I'd want.

>>181572343
That's because the goal of Boost is not to gain speed. Simply put, it's to use speed to traverse an obstacle course as quickly as possible. The reward for being good in Boost is retaining your speed.

>>181572856
To be fair, when sort of thing is discussed, level design is something people bring up at times.

>>181572890
>They were about giving you speed and seeing how well you kept it up.
One hundred-no, oneTHOUSAND percent this.

And this is completely held true with the boost formula. Again, it's just the visual illusion of going faster for entertainment purposes.

>>181573236
I don't usually see that discussed, but credit where its due to whoever does talk about level design regarding this topic.

>>181572343
You get more boost by defeating enemies too.

>>181573589
You get to Boost more by beating enemies, but it looks like you initially Boost through the Wisp capsule. Smarter than getting more Boost by just collecting rings, imo.

>>181572856
>>181572890
There's a huge difference between how classic games worked and how boost games work because of two very simple things: momentum and speed cap. With momentum, I'm including the fact that it takes a few seconds to get to top speed from a standstill. The only way around that via the spindash requires you to be at a stop and charge it a few times to get to max speed. Additionally, the speed cap from simply running is exceeded when you roll down slopes. Properly manipulating both throughout the level is how you keep top speed. By comparison with boost you're given max speed just by pressing the boost button and the only way that changes is if you run into an obstacle or run out of boost meter.

I'm not one of those guys saying boost is inherently bad, it can be done well, but saying it's the same mentality as classic games is disingenuous.

>>181573321
>I don't usually see that discussed
To be fair, that's usually because 99% of Sonic Boost discussion is people calling each other Classicucks, Boostcucks, Adventurecucks, etc.

Why are you people afraid to say the Boost is outright shit?

>>181574493
Because it's not. It certainly has its flaws, but I don't think the mere idea of Boost is bad.

>>181574493
Im not afraid of anything.

In fact, I will proudly say that it's not shit, and is actually a good mechanic

>>181574493
Because boost works well in 2D and when the level design is so that boost is just one skill that you need to know how to use, it's only in 3D and when you have a bunch of wide open stretches of nothing where it's shallow garbage.

>>181574659
You literally blast through a stage semi-invincible with one push of a button. If that's not inherently bad for a video game, I don't know what is.

When exactly did they establish Amy's hammer? There is a lot of art of classic Amy using the piko piko hammer but I don't recall ever seeing it before Sonic Adventure

>>181574493
I don't think it's shit but I find it totally unnecessary when they could just integrate the classic movement into 3d, why go against what's tried and true?

>>181575008
Because they can't do it. Sonic doesn't work as well in 3D as Mario does. You have to sacrifice a lot to make it work. Boost is the best you can do. If they wanted to be good, they'd scrap 3D gameplay entirely and have Modern just be 2D Boost with Classic being around for 2D Classic

>>181575161
Explain Sonic Utopia then

>>181575002
Sonic the Fighters. She uses it as a weapon.

>>181574014
I never implied it was the same mentality. Just that there's absolutely no reason why boost and momentum can't coexist.

>>181575243
Glorified tech demo that likely wouldn't work as a full game, and attacking enemies was awkward as fuck

>>181575161
As someone who does enjoy Boost in 3D, the idea that Sonic can't work in 3D is silly, imo. Utopia, Green Hill Paradise shows that the series can work well in 3D without Boost. Hell, even the Adventure games (Sonic/Shadow) had a decent idea of Sonic in 3D.

>>181574924
>modern sonic has tons of 2D segments (so much so that people even complain about it not being 3D enough)
>3d sections also have lots of parts that require good timing to maintain speed/get to higher parts (look at Rooftop Run in Generations for a great example)
>3d tracks will maybe have 1-2 "setpeice" moments where you boost though for fun, because god forbid people just want a moment to enjoy the speed, not like thats been happening since Chemical Plant
>Still complain and pretend like Boost is inherently bad in 3D Sonic

>>181575161
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVKFRxgwSWE try listening to this guy, it CAN work you just have to try, SEGA right now doesn't try.

I enjoy the Boost Games, but I don't constantly boost, I only use it when absolutely necessary, like a power up, or tool to get to certain areas.

The Boost is a glorified QTE at this point. It's so easy to abuse and it renders 95% of the obstacles in a stage moot. It's even worse when most of the structure of stages have been reconstructed to be adaptable to the Boost – You just mash the Boost button and you spend up to 10 seconds of the stage just running in a straight line or curve. It's basically dumbing down the gameplay.

>>181575316
Boost single-handedly removes momentum. You press one button and receive speed. That simply cannot coexist with momentum at all.

>>181575590
>it renders 95% of the obstacles in a stage moot.
You better tell me right now how this bullshit you are spouting is true

>>181575590
>it renders 95% of the obstacles in a stage moot
Isn't this what people want? When you have to stop and actually fight things like in Heroes they complain about it.

>>181575646
It can, it just needs mechanics that aren't as shallow as pressing a button and hitting a fixed speed.

>>181575495
Thing is Shay doesn't believe in Sonic going fast. He wants a more atmospheric, platforming-based Sonic and doesn't like the idea of Sonic going at exhilarating speeds like the Genesis games made you feel at times.

>>181575646
That's retarded. What's preventing Sonic from gaining more speed from a slope? Cars go faster when going downhill versus uphill. Why can't the same apply to Sonic?

>>181575438
Boost in 3D sucks simply because of how big they need to make stages in order to accommodate it. If Sonic Team had infinite budget, time and workers then it wouldn't be an issue, but we live in the real world so that will never happen. Boost works in 2D because that's not an issue, such in the Rush games. You can just have a parallax background with tiled level design.

How would (You) fix boost?
Personally, I'd treat it similaly to 06's Mach Speed sections, having Adventure-ish style gameplay between Boost sections.

>>181575798
>boost can work if it's not as shallow as boost
Yeah okay.

>>181575872
Cars don't go from 0 to top speed instantly.

You know, this is honestly why I'm glad we can create our own levels now, /sthg/. We can actually show how we would design Sonic stages in 3D, because while we may disagree on what playstyle would be best for Sonic in 3D, I think we all have some interesting ideas & I'm curious to see how you guys could execute it.

We need more level designs like Seaside Hill Modern, it was fantastic and wide open.

>>181575671
You just blast through everything. It's like a scripted sequence. It takes control away from you and clears half the stage for you. Enemies? Boost them to bits! Chase section? Boost away! Activate something? Boost into it!

>>181575740
>Bringing up Heroes as a counter argument.

The classics didn't require you to blaze through everything with one button. They had obstacles you had to go through and physics you had to use. The same went for the Adventure games. The Boost is the antithesis to all of that.

>>181575963
Boost platforming should just be 2D, like the Rush games. You can have 3D console graphics, but the level design needs to stay 2D so they don't run into the budget issues that 3D brings. Complete 2D also means they can tighten up the level design so boost is simply a mechanic, with no long stretches of nothing.

You could also incorporate boost as an on-foot racing game, but that's not a platformer.

>>181575963
What if the Boost, instead of putting you at a set speed, instead served as more of a gear shift? You get a higher top speed and a higher acceleration, making things trickier at slower speeds, but if you can manage it you can pull off crazy level-breaking stuff.

Basically, do what Lost World tried to do but instead of making it between Mario speeds and Sonic speeds, make it between Sonic speeds and Sanic speeds. Then sprinkle in some momentum and slope physics.

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>>181576318
This. Tbh Sonic works best in 2D. It's one of those things that's clear as day. 3D Sonic was a failed experiment, one that needs to be dropped. It's been 20 years, they haven't gotten it right

I hate each and every one of you.

http://www.strawpoll.me/13350641

>>181575798
>It can
Explain, in detail, how it can work. Because I can't figure out how to implant it while keeping momentum and physics without removing the Boost outright or giving it its own specific section like Mach Speed in 06.

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>>181576496
>implying a large-scale 2d game from anyone but nintendo can sell in this gen

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>>181576050
For fuck's sake anon, we're talking about how boost can be fixed to have momentum-based physics. Not that boost today is perfect or allows that.

>>181575963
I'm a fan of Ryan Bloom's idea of giving Sonic an accelerator. People get too caught up on Sonic being a platformer so obviously that's a horrible idea, because why would you control a 3D character with anything but the analog stick for movement? No platformer would EVER get away with a control scheme like that.

Oh wait.

>>181576562
I don't hate everyone in this general. I love our drawfags, writefags & gamemakerfags like GHPAnon & the guy who did Bump in Sonic 1. I hate how we can't discuss Sonic gameplay styles without some idiots coming in to shitpost, tho.

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>>181576064
That's what it's all about, man. That's why I do what I do. Got any screenshots yet,
by the way? Last I saw was Izuka Zone.

if tax/stealth ever remake Sonic 3&K I hope they get Tiddles (Sonic 3 Complete) on board.

>>181576727
Well then just make Sonic a smaller franchise and focus on the stuff that sells like Football manager and Miku and whatever. Either that or make Sonic into a racing game. The appeal is going fast, right? So just make Sonic about holding down the X button and going through tracks

>>181576562
Nah. There are at least a few people in here who know that Shadow is stronger and a better character than Sonic, and I can't hate people like that.

I'm not a fan of the Boost formulae, but I will agree it's NOT "Boost to win".

The problem with 3D Sonic is how he should control and how his speed is incorporated, Adventure took a slower approach with a few fast segments and he controlled.... eeh still my favourite personally. Boost controls sort of like a rocket, that will on occasion slow down and jump around, this controls alright but in my opinion it's kind of uncontrollable.

Just played through Utopia and it feels great asides some camera annoyances

>>181576846
I'm about to get started on Iizuka Zone in 2.0, actually. The heat was killing me for most of the day.

>>181576496
Don't use my post to justify your shitposting, Hamlin.

>>181576743
You don't understand. Boost by itself eliminates momentum completely. It is 100% incompatible with momentum. You cannot "rework" it without basically creating a brand new mechanic completely. The best you can do is design the game to understand that boost is incompatible with momentum and create a platformer around that.

>>181576947
>Edgy donutsteel emo recolor
>Better than the main character who saves everyone

>>181576892
Anon we've seen what an iconic series becoming niche has done to Megaman.

so can anyone explain this guy's voice

https://youtu.be/OWhhCSR1ut8?t=133

>>181577074
>"press this button to give yourself a BOOST of speed"
>it increases acceleration and top speed and automatically propels you forward
>same damn thing as boost except you're not automatically at top speed and it's not static, it's boost
>still dynamic, you will slow down when going uphill and go faster when downhill
Do you have autism?

>>181576846
Rome wasn't built in a day. Can you ask, like, once a week instead of once a day?

>>181578075
I'm making progress on a stage day by day. What's your excuse, anon?

>>181578130
My excuse is I have a job and can't work on free projects I have no prior experience with every day.

>>181578228
Sounds like a personal problem, my man

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What's going on here?

>>181578518
More tumblr crap about Shadow crying over something Maria-related even though he only knew her for a fucking week.

>>181577287
fr, idk about you I personally think the shit was already dead when 9 and 10 were coming out, lame, unsubstantial experiences that subtracted good features and content for the sake of the fucks who unironically think mega man 2 is the peak and epitome of the franchise

>>181577380
Who's? The announcer or my boi Frokenok?

>>181578518
Someone said he's not the coolest.

I don't know about you all, but I thought Sonic Advance 2's boost mode was great.

>>181578518
ULTIMATE CRYBABY

>>181579736
pls no bully

>>181576050
Epic shitpost, nigger.

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I want them to come to the mainline games.

>>181581034
Yeah, no.

>>181576574
I haven't thought much about it but I see it operating similarly to how skiing in Tribes does. Have it increase Sonic's acceleration rate so he actually gains speed on flat surfaces without hitting a set value while also making slopes more effective for building momentum. I would keep enemies giving energy for boost but not have it be invincible to them without rolling first, possibly cutting down on his acceleration gain. This way, it can be used in just about any situation the player wants to achieve their goal, still grant speed to the player, and have momentum be integrated as an aspect of the technique.

>>181581034
I wouldn't want that, they were designed around the whole Eggman Empire thing and roboticizing which is pretty unique to the comicverse. What I do want is them and the comic exclusives to appear in their own spinoff game.

>>181580310
kek

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Hey, Advance 2 fag again, anyone wanna race? Techno Base Act 1, this is my best time so far.

>>181581329
>What I do want is them and the comic exclusives to appear in their own spinoff game.
So just a regular Sonic game with even more characters? Okay, gotcha.

>>181581448
Nah man, something like an RPG or another exploration type game.

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>>181581329
Just bring the whole Eggman Empire thing into it's own game, much better designs than those...things in Lost World.

>>181581824
>something like an RPG
So Sonic Chronicles with more characters?

>>181581034
Fuck no.

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Tell me about your ideas for a Sonic RPG.

>>181582112
Superstar Saga clone.

>>181582163
*Thousand-Year Door clone.

>>181582112
Tales of Sonic

>>181582112
Kingdom Hearts. Just Kingdom Hearts. Only problem is Sonic would have to wield a weapon or else it'd be weird.

>>181582370
Just give him another sword.

>>181581034
That could be nice.

>>181582370
I'd want it to be an action-RPG too. But I think you could make it work with homing attacks, bound jumps, spin dashes, punches, kicks and other melee attacks, as well as techniques like the Blue Tornado.

Shadow would have chaos powers too if he was playable.

>>181582370
>Sonic and the Black Knight 2, but with a non-shitty gameplay system
Fund it.

>>181582458
Just bring back Caliburn somehow, down.

>>181582112
Golden Sun but with Wisps in place of Djinn

>>181582786
What abilities does Sonic have in the games?

He can Spin Dash, Boost, Homing Attack, Insta-shield, Drop Dash, the Bounce Bracelet, Stomp, Light Speed Dash/Attack, Sonic Wind, Blue Tornado, what else am I missing?

>>181582902
>Wisps anything.

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>>181570930
>The classic games were never even that fucking good in the first place, move the fuck on already

>>181582959
Depends on what games you're looking at. Include games like Secret Rings, Black Knight, Chronicles and Battle and he could have a really fleshed out moveset.

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>>181583152

>>181583187
>kicks her in stomach
>she leans forward
Jeez Yardley's early art has not aged well at all.

>>181582959
Wisp powers

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He should have been in a Sonic game.

>>181583114
Battle had kicks and that burst of energy that Sonic releases by Spin Dashing, right?

>>181583152
How did Amy go from a kid-like body in X, to this?

>>181583568
Corset and bra stuffing.

>>181583429
He's one of the comic's worst characters.

>>181584449
You mean best.

>>181584449
You mean the only good one.

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>>181581401
Damn, close

>>181584520
You mean greenest.

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>>181583568
>X
>consistent proportions

>>181584621
>>181581401
Feels like an unfair race, Cream has way more movement options available to her.

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>Over parents house for the 4th of July
>Find old DS games
>Remember I never beat Sonic Rush because I couldn't get Sonic's last emerald
>Haven't played in over a decade
>Figure I'd give it another try
>Do it in 3 attempts

Why did this give me so much trouble as a teen?

>>181584895
I remember the second to last emerald being harder than the last one, actually.

>>181584895
>>181585000
I think it's a common saying that the second to last Emerald is harder than the actual last Emerald in Rush.

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>>181584765
Nah, I got hit by enemies on the way. Got it on the second try, tho

>>181585274
Almost got it*

>>181547862
>>181549706
And from that the cute dragon form of Dark Gaia would work too. She is just the puppet master controlling all that dark energy. When it broke up it became those hordes of monsters but she is the controlling factor that is Dark Gaia.

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I'm the chosen one.

>>181584702
Sonic a drunkhog.

>>181585990
I choose you, Shadow. I choose you to die.

>>181562992
Cylent-Nite accounts for the two halves thing in his pantheon. Mephiles & Iblis, Lumina & Void, Dark & Light Gaia, and Black Doom & Mother Wisp are two halves of single beings. Making 4 Gods, rather than 8.

>>181585990
WISH I MAY, WISH I MIGHT

BE SOMEONE ELSE TONIGHT

SOMETIMES I WISH I WAS NEVER BORN AT ALL

AND I'LL TRY TO SAVE THE WORLD

'CAUSE IN THE END I KNOW

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>>181585274
Still a pretty damn good run, I was never good with Amy.

>>181586228
Sounds like bad fanfiction.

>>181586228
What if Shadow was made using Mother Wisp DNA?