/rlg/ - Roguelike General

>>181327279
tfw can't ever see the winning strat in brogue

>>181327715
I think the thing I dislike the most about Brogue is that you'll be forced to make a decision where there is a correct and incorrect answer, only once you figure out that your answer was wrong, you won't have enough food to change your decision and you'll be locked in this really uncomfortable situation where you have to keep playing knowing that you picked the wrong thing two hours ago.

It doesn't help that the enchantment pseudo-refund opportunity is almost always going to be too far away from the decision you wish you made to use it properly.

i've come to the conclusion that no good roguelike exists and that we should let this thread die

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Remember not to dive too fast, okay?

>>181328692
Conmutation's fine, it's for stuff you find, not for vault choices.

The most idiotic thing about Brogue is monsters respawning.

Game has limited resources, monsters don't drop shit, you can't grind for xp and has a tight hunger clock. Why the fuck do monsters respawn?

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>>181327715
I won today.

Conjuration is tedious, but very powerful.
Recording: https://ufile.io/zhtj1

>>181328847
Ally empowering is a trash mechanic, and the game really goes on for too long, too. Should have like 33% less floors or so.

I think that's all the major apparent flaws with Brogue. Vaults and shit require a deeper look.

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>>181327279
So I actually faulted this game when reorganizing my wand inventory by forgetting to take out a teleport and invis wand like usual. I walked down a staircase to GC6 and ended up right beside a freshly spawned Veteran Kamikaze Dwarf.

I actually died for three separate reasons:
>I forgot that there was a gunpowder bag on the staircase last time I left the floor and didn't ascend to take the blast on the floor above
>I didn't have a teleport wand out
>I did not Invis myself before I walked down the staircase

and the major fourth reason:
>I did not go to bed and sleep instead of continuing to play when I knew my concentration was waning

BUT ON THE OTHER HAND
>about three-five games later after a string of first floor splats, one of which to a zombie with a god damn thunder hammer blocking me in the entrance room
>I drink from a fountain because I'm CRAZY that way and actually I just was feeling ambivalent and wanted some rings
>Get permanent leprosy
>cure it for 20 gold (whew!)
>keep drinking
>get slow
>ok
>get permanent haste
>get permanent you will not get this if you scum fountains all fucking day haste

I better take a nap

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I'm in the process of designing a cyberpunk roguelike. What kind of features would you guys like to see in it? So far I have in my scratch list:

- Top-down, tile & turn-based, i.e. classic roguelike style
- Procedural cities, streets, buildings, corporations
- Local economies, all city property must be owned by a corporation that exists in a trade or war relationship with other corporations
- Biology-based combat, you don't have HP, you die when blood pressure in your brain becomes abnormal
- No XP or leveling, character progression is done through cybernetics/augments
- Powerups are procedurally generated drugs (chemical effects on your character's body cause random things)
- In true dystopian fashion, the goal of the game is to get as much money as possible while screwing everyone else over

Settings I'm looking at:
- The street: Interaction with street gangs, skate punks, drug dealers, pimps & prostitutes, bioengineered mutants, and other seedy futuristic street denizens
- The corporations: You can visit to conduct a legitimate business deal, or just infiltrate to steal and hack things
- The "jungle": Densely populated urban areas where humans are heavily packed in, mostly controlled by violent gangs
- The catacombs: Creepy sewers and tunnels inhabited by mutants and monsters
- The matrix: a separate graph-based game mode primarily used for information gathering, and occasionally hacking and infecting other computers

Does all of that sound fun? Anything else cool that I should try to do with it? I figure realistically, I can get maybe a few of these done in a reasonable amount of time to launch an alpha version, and then after that I'll see what features people are most excited about. Pic related, a mockup I threw together. I don't know if I will end up using these tiles, but it's fun to give it at least some rudimentary art.

>>181329057
ally empowering seems fun until they get negated and all of them die or you misclick a staffbolt from fatigue and your naga waifu disembowels you and there's no way to change her mind

I'm going to play Brogue.

>>181328873
Congrats. You spent a lil on poison, I see. Revenants or...?
>>181329309
>ally empowering seems fun
Does it, though? From the get-go it sounds boring to me.
It's also infuriating just how good it is.
Negation isn't much of a problem in my experience but yeah, bolting them is horrible.

>>181329149
>What kind of features would you guys like to see in it?

Everything from Shadowrun non-magic stuff.

>>181329562
Yeah, I found a +4 staff of poison at some point and spent a couple of enchants on it for revenants. I found the firebolt much later.

>>181329398
Have fun, it's one of the best games the genre has to offer

>>181329265
>a character generation system similar to mutant chronicles
>actual factual jobs that you get assigned to do where you have to do something that isn't just "kill the things" like shadowrun
>instead of just drugs, have retroviruses and vaccines that interact chaotically with each other and may need to be purged or recombined
>unique NPC rivals with access to all the same capabilities and motivations that you have
>comrades who may betray you

>>181328873
What do lumenstones do?

>>181330175
E-peen

>>181328692
I feel you.

I've considered modding Brogue and making these changes to Commutation
>Vault can be found at any depth now
>Instead of two altars, vault now contains a non-scroll consumable (Orb? Stone? Chalice?)
>Consumable can be used at any time to commutate two items
>This consumable also drops very rarely through the game

>>181329057
This. Ally empowering could be fun, if you had better control over what allies learn, and over allies in general.

>>181328847
Also valid criticism.

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>>181330175
More dosh for your adventurer upon retiring.

>>181325453
>Most variants have that interface now.
I tried unnethack and it still has that same old interface.
You lied.

>>181328701
Aweeg

>>181329057
>I think that's all the major apparent flaws with Brogue.
Stealth is really stupid in general.
Very related to that, the light mechanic is not great, either.

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>>181329738
It better be.

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>>181330632
OPTIONS=windowtype:curses

should i get caves of qud or unexplored?

>>181331149
That and searching. (Granted, searching in Brogue is less painful than in a majority of roguelikes, but it's still unpleasant.)

The dev should either get rid of light levels entirely, restrict them to '1 step away from light source OR unlit', or remove that beautiful color variation in dungeon floor tiles for the sake of light readability.

Also fuck the whole stealth range shit and obscure monster "scent". I don't want to play the whole game with that gross orange overlay, this stuff should work with LoS or something. Or at least make the stealth overlay prettier and permanently on.

And square, to calm my autism.

>>181329596
I have been considering using shadowrun as the basis for some things, at the very least I was gonna take Decker, Street Samurai and Face as clases. And yeah it won't have any magic stuff, it's too much to work into the design.

>>181329739
I definitely won't use the Shadowrun combat/mission system, I agree that it's kinda boring. The biochemical stuff is definitely what I want to flesh out more, in particular, there SHOULD absolutely be viruses and diseases and vaccines that the player has to discover. If I get time I want to make "research lab" another setting.

On the topic of AI, the way I'm writing it everything should be governed by an economic simulation. So if for whatever reason an allied NPC calculates that you aren't making it money anymore, it will turn on you. I won't have to program this in specifically either, it should just work. And yes, they should have all the same capabilities as the player.

>Mutant Chronicles
I have never played this, but it seems a lot more balanced than Shadowrun.

>>181330632
It's also never enabled by default, you have to enable it in your RC file.

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I don't like this

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>>181332064
wow

>>181331482
Searching is kind of a tough one to fix. I would be fine with no secret doors/rooms, Brogue isn't Doom

Traps, though. You could make it so you only get a roll to find them when you first spot the tile, but I think that makes it so you will maybe stumble on it and nerfs hard leading enemies into them

>remove that beautiful color variation in dungeon floor tiles for the sake of light readability.
You can disable color effects but it's broken on Windows, pender is a macfag.

And yeah, scent is bad. A stealth build gets no penalty for being spotted, they just stop moving for a turn and enemies go back to wandering. Meanwhile heavy armor dudes will never ever lose enemies.

Agreed on squarelos.
>>181332414
You start with darts, friend

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How was I supposed to know this would happen?

>>181332587
ever watched any treasure hunt movie

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Fuck this. I'm going back to Crawl.

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>>181332719
>Crawl
Of course.

Brogue looks really cool. Looks a lot more immersive an engaging than others I've seen.

>>181331482

Or just use tiles > : ^ )

In all seriousness I wish there was a roguelike with decent tiles that didn't look like shit. Crawl does not look good either btw, it looks okay, but a lot of times text looks better.

Maybe the way to go is make walls and environment more realistic and enemies can still be text. Text looks better IMO but gradient lighting is hard with pure text.

>>181332914

>laughing gay clown

Christian XXX isn't gay he just does it for the money.

>>181333067
Tiles doesn't fix the lightning, past making torches actually visible. Well I think the NotEye build does but it's a pain to deal with.

They do look good, though, in my opinion.

>>181332719
>Crawl shitter can't even get to D:3
lol

That said the rat vult can actually be an unavoidable death sentence under the right conditions.

>>181333216

A lot of times tiles doesn't look as good as text because it's enough to no longer be abstract but not detailed enough to look good.

I like tiles too though, they're just lacking aesthetically usually.

>>181331438
pleas?

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>There's pee on the floor

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Is this fine?

>>181335785
It's alright. You can empower your ally for free, by the way, if you decide to take something other than empowerment.

>>181332507
>Searching
I've actually got this planned in case I ever make my own roguelike.

From my design doc:
>There is no "search" button. Because traps are never hidden. Instead, every dungeon level is peppered with "trap spots".
>Traps spots are squares which @ intuitively figures may hide a specific trap... or maybe nothing.
>They mostly generate in optional paths: in the middle of shortcut corridors, in front of treasure, etc.
>@ can spend multiple turns examining a trap spot. This reveals the trap if there's one; otherwise the spot disappears.
>Stepping on the trap spot, or baiting a monster into doing so, has the same result (and triggers the trap if it exists).
>Traps can be disarmed from an adjacent tile, or triggered from a distance, but trap spots cannot.
>Secret doors and other hidden passages follow the same formula.

>Therefore dealing with traps is a simple choice: do you want to sacrifice food clock time for whatever resource the trap protects, risk hit points instead, or ignore the prize altogether?

>Various skills, spells and gear exist to make this easier:
>Display the chance of a trap existing under a trap spot (10%? 80%?)
>Chance to instantly solve trap spots at first sight
>Take less turns to examine a trap spot

>And of course, curses (Paranoia status spawns extra, empty trap spots when you visit the next room; shakiness gives you a chance to trigger traps you examine, etc.)
Does this sound fun?

>>181332587
>How was I supposed to know this would happen?
Every Brogue challenge room, unfortunately. But the game doesn't have too many of these, so the trial and error aspect is limited.
Also, if you quit forever while on the first depth because you didn't expect something nasty... maybe roguelikes are not for you?

>>181336007
Already have a charm of teleport. According to the pastebin, any melee weapon that aren't runic/broadswords or something are shit. Would the chainmail, staff, or ring be the best? (I have a staff of obstruction.)

>>181336315
Sounds interesting, however the not triggering at a distance kind of breaks it. I understand why, but still.
>>181336909
How enchanted was your telecharm when you found it?
As for that vault, I would take chain I think? Blessed chance is decently high.
Watch that spear be quietus in the recording

>>181337159
Telecharm's at +2. Do strength requirements matter much? Not strong enough for chainmail.

>>181337335
They matter quite a bit for armor.
But next floor you will have your inventory full and you will need to quaff id, and you'll find a strenght pot in your inventory.

By the way, a highly enchanted telecharm can be very, very powerful, if you want to follow that route.

>>181337159
>triggering at a distance
Yeah, I just don't want people to bypass the search timer with a thrown rock. Maybe I'll restrict it to certain kinds of (heavier) objects. Or maybe I'll make rocks rarer to come by.

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>>181337480
>you'll find a strength pot in your inventory

Are they guaranteed?

>>181337827
Yes, they spawn more frequently and are guaranteed to do so. Same with enchantment scrolls.

>>181338140
I have three enchantment scrolls. Should I put them towards the broadsword (found it but can't wield it) or do the charm? what's the benefit to enchanting charms, lower cooldown?

>>181338561
The sword would be the more comfortable choice for a beginner. But it's up to you. The horrible anxiety of deciding what to enchant is a big part of brogue

Enchanting charms reduces the cooldown and makes the effect more powerful. On telecharm, only the cooldown is affected, however.

>>181338876
Then I guess two scrolls for the charm since it seems more readily useful.

>>181339359
Oh fuck, the scrolls reduce the requirement for strength. Welp.

>>181339359
>>181339516
Read the dang descriptions.
If you still wanna go melee build a +4 charm isn't bad to have, anyways.

>>181339658
I used the scrolls on my invisibility charm instead of the tele too by accident

Wouldn't a troll berserker with claws slowly become.. Outdated? His weapons won't get any sharper, and you can't enchant them right?

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Well

>>181338876
Enchanting also recharges the charm, which can be a good desperation use on the teleporter.

>>181341148
Bats are surprisingly tough. RIP anon.
>>181340654
Unarmed skill is really really good.
>>181341539
I assumed that's why he only used only 2 of his 3 scrolls but seeing that he didn't know enchanting reduced str requirements now I'm not sure

>>181331827
What's your ethnicity? I don't want to get excited about a new roguelike if the 'developer' is just an ideaguy who isn't able to actually program it.

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I.. Think this is good? I mean it's five plus slaying and some resistances.

>>181342852
The resists are irrelevant, the -dex is bad, but the slaying heavily outweighs it.

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>>181327279
I should have tried out turn-count speedrunning earlier.

It actually makes playing crawl fun again, also thank you based trog for that beautiful exec axe.

>>181340654
Claws rip through everything at all stages of the game.

The only problem with Troll is the equipment restrictions but they're so strong and thicc that it doesn't even matter,

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>>181342958
Damn, I'm getting some randarts that just enforce damage huh

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>>181346681
what the hell

>>181347554
worst/bait armour

No resistances = shit.

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Discord is the best spell (Y/N)

>>181330175
the same thing as the fourth+ runes in crawl

>>181336315
sounds fun except for the part where the food clock is apparently so tight and restrictive that spending a few turns examining a trap is a significant cost

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rate my lair:1 loot

>Insatiable Hunger
>Regen+
ha

>>181349542
Ant/10

>>181341892
>What's your ethnicity?
Gnomish manlet

>I don't want to get excited about a new roguelike if the 'developer' is just an ideaguy who isn't able to actually program it.

My art is shit cause I spend all day programming.

I just found out you can edit your player character by pressing numpad - in crawl

>>181347554
>>181347753
Actually it's really fucking good.

>>181348214
personally I prefer dat cord

g - the scarf "Yraqoal" {MR+ Dex-2 Slay+5}
or
u - a +2 cloak of invisibility

i feel that as a formicid the invisiblity will help alot because of limited escape options

>>181357451
MR+ and Slay+5 will help alot more than invis, especially since you need some evo to even use it decently.

Manual of armor, 2 scrolls of aquirement or a ring with *slow rF+++ rC+++ and -2 dex

>>181348752
Examining a trap wouldn't take too much time.
Examining all traps on the level definitely should.

things that need to change in the /rlg/ fork of brogue
>let me move diagonal near walls
>no more food
>no more respawning monsters
>more intuitive, less ugly stealth implementation
>remove allies
>"classes" that influence what drops like in that one guy's brogue fork
>option to make the game not look like a bunch of color barf

>>181361626
>>no more food
>>no more respawning monsters

>Killing the clock
Yeah, no. It's there so you can't wait until monsters walk into your killing corridor one by one until they're all gone and you can loot the whole level.

Otherwise I agree.

>>181357451
The scarf

>>181358297
Background and race?

>>181362328
what if we remove the clock but also make it so ou can't ascend unless you have the amulet

>>181362328
I like how Unbrogue made 'smart' monsters like goblins too smart to go into the corridor. They lead you into their room instead.

>>181361626
>>let me move diagonal near walls

CRAWLSHITTERS LEAVE

>>181363548
um u can do it in rogue and sil and shit too sweetie

>>181362802
It wouldn't really fix the problem. Leading monsters upstairs is a really minor strategy. The problem is, killspots are relatively easy to find, and that's okay. They shouldn't be exploitable with every monster on the level though.

>>181363112
That's a good idea but I can't see it applied to every monster...

>>181363548
Nothing wrong about diagonal wall movement. Though it would probably require a level generator rework. Stuff might get broken.

>>181357451
invisibility is not an escape option
if you're in melee range of monsters already it accomplishes just about fuckall
you use it at the BEGINNING of a fight against non-sinv monsters
since you're a formicid and you can't haste or cblink anyways, invis is the only source of contam you're ever gonna use so you can just freely use it in every fight without worrying about "oh if i have to haste later i might get some mutations"

>>181361626
>diagonal near walls
would be a huge nerf to the player desu
there are almost no corridors in brogue; your only way to fight conjurers or packs of nasties 1-on-1 is to stand in a doorway
if you allow diagonal movement/attack then you are suddenly only able to fight 1v3 instead of 1v1
even axes would be nerfed, since instead of attacking 3 monsters while only 1 hits you back you'd be taking damage from all of them

>>181362802
>have conj staff
>find para trap
>press z for 99999 turns until every enemy on the level wanders into the room so you can paralyse it and gangbang it with paralysis-immune swords

etc

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>>181363112
They don't go in it in Brogue either. The leading is new tho
>>181361626
>>let me move diagonal near walls
Don't care enough to fix the level generator
>>no more food
I think it's an okay mechanic. Makes the player move, and stick to their choices.
>>no more respawning monsters
Agree.
>>more intuitive, less ugly stealth implementation
Let's hear it
>>remove allies
And rebalance the game how? Brogue isn't NetHack, you don't have as much choices in general. Removing a whole strategy will have an impact in the game. The removal of ally XPXP had already made a lot of seeds straight up unwinnable in the past.

Plus you need to remove quite a few items too. Domination, empowerment, staff of healing, staff of proteciton.
>>"classes" that influence what drops like in that one guy's brogue fork
Fuck that. Your class is Rogue, you kill and steal shit being the most dishonest cunt you can be.
>>option to make the game not look like a bunch of color barf
Disable color effects already exists. It's just broken on Windows

>>181362802
Staves and charms, anon. The drawback is that they recharge over time and time is limited. You could go into each level with full charges, and once you cleared some rooms you can rest till they are full again.

>>181329265
Don't forget the Combat Zones: areas that are just abandoned cityscapes full of maniacs and gang wars. I already hate the art style if that's what you're going for. It's too cutesy for a Cyberpunk setting. Use ASCII or gritty art.

PLUS
THIRTEEN
HASTE
CHARM
NIGGA
RING OF REAPING
RING OF TRANSFERENCE
AND A MOTHERFUCKING BROADSWORD

>>181370417
Jesus, nice. And here I am, about to die to a wraith

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Oh boy.

>>181370913
ull b ok

What's the best/worst draconian color?

>>181371047
Yeah, didn't get detected. Also I think they wouldn't have followed me.

>>181371985
>best
grey
>worst
acid? or maybe black

>>181371985
Yellow/acid is kind of pointless, especially since rCorr is neither super-necessary for the game nor very useful as a resist anyway. The breath isn't utterly terrible, but it's nowhere near the best breath.

Black/elec is probably second worst, just because it has the worst breath attack by far. But rElec is dope, as is permaflight.

>>181372213
>>181372527
Got red. Worth keeping or should I just restart?

imo startscum drwns until you get a matching skin color and spellbook

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>try to run away from adder due to running out of powers cause constant enemies
Mistakes were made.

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That this works is silly but I'm worried that either my truck will stop working or the window will get destroyed.

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SHIT

>>181373742

Yeah, I'd be worried. Vehicles are tough, but they're not invulnerable. On the plus side, you're driving an APC which is practically a tank, so normal z's probably can't do much to you, but if there are hulks or other special z's, or worse like triffid queens or something, your vehicle's gonna be in trouble.
Did it have any cameras installed? Those would be handy, at least until they got smashed.

>>181372751
Red is very good. You basically have a god-tier version of Conjure Flame, where you can actually set the flame on top of the enemy (when aiming your breath attack, use period (.) instead of enter or f to aim at the ground).

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>>181374512
>Did it have any cameras installed?
Yes but if you turn them on, the turrets will shoot at you, so you have to line up, pull the curtain over the window and drive forward.

All I really wanted was to get rid of the turrets and get the loot, but I probably destroyed it all hitting the turret that got knocked between the buildings (which is narrower than the apc). Some of the plating got destroyed on the front, but all the important bits are fine.

>>181331827
>>Mutant Chronicles
>I have never played this, but it seems a lot more balanced than Shadowrun.
check the source books which you can probably find online and check out the different character creation sections

it builds like a story for your character that gives you different bonuses, pretty cool desu

>>181375384
>Yes but if you turn them on, the turrets will shoot at you

Weird! I could see that if the cameras had lights attached to them maybe, but AFAIK they're not supposed to.
Is this the latest experimental you're playing?

>>181373742

How derpy are big trucks to control?

Whenever Cata trucks make turns they become almost incomprehensible to me. Cata feels like a live action game crammed into a roguelike.

Worst draconian is gray.

Doesn't even have a breathe attack, can't fly. Walking through water is a dull ability for draconian.

Also sucks to play an elementalist and get a color that makes it harder to learn your spell school. Always start over at that point, unless I found super powerful weapons.

Once I found a sword that could 1-hit kill everyone and summoned demons and shit on D:5

>>181376293
Wrong, grey is one of the best (verifiable by looking at Dr win rates).

The boost to AC is absolutely no joke, especially for a race that can't wear body armour at all.

>>181376768

I want a breathe attack if I'm playing draconian. Otherwise I'd just play as a character that could walk through water (or fly) and wear armor.

Gray draconians are bloat pls remove.

http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/Ketziah/Ketziah.txt my ant progress
thinking of doing abyss now, then possibly slime, then pan

>>181372913
no just roll drcj and quit when you get anything other than purple grey or red

>>181376042
Very. My favorite is the long and narrow bus that practically twists like a snake when you start to turn it.

I like to stick with motorcycle-size vehicles for anything that needs to go into town, since otherwise you spend half your time trying to twist your vehicle to fit between cars.

>>181377563

With a big enough vehicle you can just shove them out of the way.

>>181327279

JIHAD is the best roguelike ever senpaitachi. Anyone know how to get out of the 1st level?

but really this game is funny af lol

>>181376293
>>181376768
>>181377010
Gray Draconians are like Gargoyles that don't suck

>>181377430
and is it possible to get shatter online like this?

Okay, so do I need to turn wander spawns off for C:DDA? I haven't survived past day 1 on any in-city spawns.

>>181376293
5ac is better than breath gimmicks

>>181379842
i like to keep it off or i get cucked too quickly

>>181378651

What's this nigga talkin bout aye

>>181379842

I don't know if that would help, anon. Are you making a lot of noise? That will draw a crowd.

I used to do chars who spawned inside a house in the city, with high Z spawn rates meaning the city was crawling. I couldn't get out of the city until nightfall and had to stealthily close windows and try to avoid notice -- the trick to it was to stay indoors somewhere away from windows and doors, and basically sit tight and quietly wait for darkness. Line of sight is your enemy, they will beeline for you if they can see you.
Scent is a secondary problem, but as long as you keep near the center of the building it shouldn't be too likely to lure one in.

In your case, I imagine you're spawning with Zeds in full view, so hiding isn't an option. I'd suggest making a run for it, zigzagging between buildings to slow down pursuers. Every turn they spend banging on a wall slows them down and causes other zombies to come towards them instead of you.
Also manage your stamina and remember " to run when you're in trouble. If you're wearing anything very cumbersome on your legs or feet, strip that crap off and just bolt for it, butt naked if need be. Faster you are, the better.

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I'm still waiting for Beogh to fall off.
This is win 3.

>>181381014
how many turns
how many runes

>>181380043
I dare you to say that to my face nigga.

>spits elemental something at you
>misses

>>181380916
Thing is, I figured out a lot of that stuff, but it had to have been scent that fucked me this time, because I sincerely doubt they would have taken 8 hours of sleeping to find me in a fully blacked out house otherwise. I literally had a brute come knocking on my door at 5 am like the world's most smelly, roided Jehova's witness.

The real thing that feels like it's a pain in the ass if if I did wait for nightfall, where would I go? I always start in snow/rain with heavy wind and I'd freeze solid if I don't have shelter, so I often have been trying to quietly shelter in place, reinforcing the house and preparing to use the cover of night to scavenge, though usually I'm tired around that time.

In a nutshell: I get eaten or I freeze, how do I prevent both?

Mind you I started the character with fabrication 2, so I'm not worthless and making shit.

Best dcss class for a new player as an orc?

>>181383940
Always be HOMo.

>>181383940
HOMo of Zin
pick the axe to start with

>>181383737

Oh man, you're doing winter spawns too? Those are a bitch.

At night I'd suggest at least moving to a house on the edge of town, where you're less likely to get hulked. Stay off the roads where possible, travel behind the houses, there will be fewer monsters.
Sooner or later you need to make yourself a wood or bone needle, or find a sewing kit, and start grinding your tailoring, because it's a lifesaver in winter.

If you're feeling brave, grab a blanket and run out of town just before dawn. When you get clear of zombies you can wrap the towel around you for warmth -- it'll slow you down a lot, but it beats freezing. All you need to do is find a gas station or a motel or a campground or something out there, even a parked car will provide a little shelter from the cold. Then you can start putting a base together and building your skills. I think More Survival Tools mod has a recipe for building your own shelter from Pine Boughs -- I've never needed to use it but I've seen it in the past few games I played.
Just stay clear of towns as much as possible. Raid them at night and try to exit from the sides so any zombies who follow your scent out of town will be pointed away from your base. They're stupid, they'll often just keep going.

It also helps to switch what towns you hit, and take a break between runs, because going to one spot over and over will strengthen your scent trail and you'll start to get a few neighbors come knocking once in a while.

Also take a peek at any cars you see, all you need is one working car and you can be way gone in no time. Especially if you fill a gallon jug with gasoline and fill it up before your start driving. Also bear in mind you only need a wrench (or makeshift equivalent) to swap a dead battery out.

>>181381441
3 runes
Turns? Wtf do turns have to do with anything?
3.5 hours

>>181383737
I don't know either. I wait until night and leave, but by then I'm cold, very hungry, very thirsty and have a crap weapon like a pipe so I just die if bumble into anything. Especially if you happen to start in a big city so there's a ton of zombies wandering around and nowhere obvious to head to.

>>181374360
Purple scales is good though?

>>181386435
He's saying he is a berserker, which means the bonus to spell stuff is completely worthless.

>>181385998
>Turns? Wtf do turns have to do with anything?
Turns are the direct metric by which your score is determined.

In DCSS there are 6 main things a player's ability can be judged on, or a combo's viability.
>the total score, i.e. winning a 15 rune game in the lowest number of turns possible yields the highest score
>the number of turns you can win a 3 rune game in
>the amount of time in hours/minutes/seconds it takes to win a 15 rune game
>time to win a 3 rune game
>the number of different combos you can win sequentially without dying and without just repeating race/background (since that's basically winrate)
>the ratio of wins and losses a player has regardless of combo

if you were going to take as many turns as you like you should be able to win any race/background combo even with no god, so when you say "Beogh is actually good" the question is "good compared to what exactly?"

By what metric is Beogh good? What kind of actual stats are you pulling down? Winning alone isn't really a huge deal for an experienced player who could probably win a Hill Orc wanderer without any god, and when you assess the potential of a god you have to compare it to everything else you could have done, you have to consider the opportunity costs.

>>181386704
he could train spellcasting for bonus MP when wearing a spirit shield ammy

>>181386704
Disenchantment breath and MR though, seems pretty good for a DrBe to me

>>181386704
You get bonus MR, Evo Apt, and Dispelling bolt. You may as well bitch about every single scales ever if youre bitching about purple on a Be.

>>181384403
What does zin do? it seems kinda.. not very important?
Like yeah you can say some stuff against specific enemies, and trap a singular one, later in the vaults, it seems kinda.. i dunno, like if you were with the shining one you get a bonus to hit, negative resistance, and other stuff. What am I missing here?

>>181388157
High invocations Recite is basically Mass Confusion (at worst) against all intelligent enemies. It can also insta-kill wights, and do lots of fun stuff against demons/shapeshifters/undead.

Vitalization, at high invo, is also a great stat booster, and very nice for when your resistances aren't perfect (e.g. Swamp with no rPois).

>>181386838
Yes, turns matter for score which is relevant for turncount speedrunning and irrelevant otherwise.

Beogh is good relative to other gods when your aim is simply to win the game. It isn't the best god in the game because it takes awhile to get things going but once you're up and running, Beogh is the strongest.

The idea that Beogh is a shitty god who falls off after the midgame is false. Anyone who thinks that doesn't know how to play it properly.

If I want to use magic without wanting to kill myself as a GrFi how much dex should I get before pumping int?

>>181389645
None. Just raise int, anon.

>>181390924
I meant spells like silence or regen, isn't my ev going to be too low?

>>181388157
Vitalization makes you immune to poison (not resistant, IMMUNE, this is important), and prevents Confuse, Sickness, Rot, Stat Drain (this is pretty major in Tomb and Abyss), and Petrify (it will stop you from petrifying if you're already stiffening). It ALSO increases your stats y 1/3 invos, so by the end game that's like a ring of +9 to all stats that you can basically use all the time. Vitalization is cheap as hell and you can use it in every hard encounter just for the stat boost if you want to, and stack it with Might or Agi or Berserk pots or whatever you want.

Recite is something you can use every single time you see almost any monster except for animals with natural holiness. So all humanoids, all demons, all undead, all chaotic beings like abyss creatures, and especially all enemy priest type enemies like Orc priests, Elf Priests, Mummy Priests, Troll Shamans, etc. etc. The shit it does is actually ridiculous at even a modest investment to invocations, causing confusion, corona, paralysis, PERMANENTLY burning the eyes out of their head, Sleep, Daze, Fear, Muteness, Insanity, or just fucking instantly turning them into a pillar of salt and killing them. This basically wrecks everything that could even think of smiting you and lets you walk up and disembowel them while they wander around completely fucked up in every way. Recite costs NOTHING and can be used every encounter with a cheap and short cooldown.

If that wasn't enough, sanctuary lets you completely protect yourself from all harm while you sit there and heal/cure yourself back to full.

And then when you want to do the hells you can just switch to TSO at no penalty, keeping half of your built up piety. You could even do so just to get a holy wrath weapon and then switch back, no problem.

>>181389645
>>181391231
13 Dex is the most you'll need

10 is probably fine if your weapon skill is high.

You're not going to invest a lot into dodging, maybe like 10, armor and shields are more important for garg

>>181391614
Thank you, I'll probably splat anyway

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what

>>181391231
If you're just trying to cast utility spells then you usually don't need to raise int at all. Keep in mind no character needs to cast Silence before Tomb and stuff like Regen is pretty easy to cast.

>>181391929
its a trap

>>181392062
personally I just get passage of golubria going then stop on melee characters

Silence is too much XP, and I prefer yakkity sax instead of fighting in tomb anyway

>>181392203
Well yeah, I didn't mean to suggest you actually need Silence to do Tomb. Point is that's about the only area where it's worth considering.

>>181391929
Didn't detect a flood or a keytrap.

Or the downstairs for that matter, had to quaff descent. There was an explosive acid jelly on the level, fuck that

>>181391929
You teleported eels, or threw descent on the level above.

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>get to d:11
>start getting cucked
>go to lair and die
reeeee

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welp

Regeneration build is really fugging powerful once you get going.

This seed hasn't been generous at all with enchanting but it's still a breeze to get through

>no rogue likes with Z levels (inb4 DF)
>CDDA promised but never delivered
>tfw wouldn't work well anyways due to 2D
>no multiplayer roguelikes

>>181397090
those are called MUDs

>>181396934
???

The fuck happened to your Dex?

>>181397631
2 quasits. somehow got raped almost every hit they drained me. also i got purple drained by 3 orcs weilding drain daggers one floor before that. i was doomed

>>181397090
>CDDA promised but never delivered

They're at an experimental stage, but you can play with 'em right now. There's some deep structural stuff that needs to be de-spaghettied and reworked before further progress can happen, but it's being done bit by bit. Progress is slow, but it'll happen.

>no multiplayer roguelikes

That would be super tricky, since roguelikes are turn based. Best go with >>181397603 because that's your best bet. Heck some MUDs used to use a roguelike view for overmap travel, dropping back to room-based when you went indoors. I imagine there's some of those around still.

>>181397775
>using weapons with bad delay by D:7-8

well, there's your problem. You need fast, accurate attacks to deal with quasits and drainers -- otherwise, they'll cheese you to death.

I'm trying to get the online Curses version of Slash Em Extended to work that was posted last thread - I changed the OptionType to curses but all I got was the game crashing after choosing a role (which was already glitching out with most of the choices being the same letter) and it looks like the save file is killed because I can't even get to the role selection screen again

What am I doing wrong?

>>181398571
i know. i was already fucked though, i was literally purple drained before they showed up with 0.0 in all skills and i just basicaly gave up. they couldnt kill me and i couldnt kill them, and then as soon as they died that hungry ghost showed up and i ate my last 2 bread rations and said fuck it

>>181397603
The only relevant MUD is HellMOO, which has as many players as this general has posters.

>>181399530

>HellMoo
>80 players

>Not Aardwolf
>207 players

>>181400562
>2003
>still over 200 players
I love autism

>>181400805
More like 1996
Anyway this is adorable. MUDs are to MMORPGs what roguelikes are to actual games.
Free shit you can run on a 10+ year old computer.
I'll have to give it a whirl later

Reading up on the history of muds on Wikipedia is really interesting too
I can't believe people had to go through all this hassle just to connect to the internet 30 years ago when we can do it with our phones nowadays
Also
>During this time it was sometimes said that MUD stands for "Multi Undergraduate Destroyer" due to their popularity among college students and the amount of time devoted to them.
Hohoho.

>>181401462

Rogue likes are real games stop bullying!

>>181401462

You can do a lot of stuff with a MUD that you couldn't with an MMORPG. OTOH, most MUDs are just grindy level-up quests anyway. It's weird, IF went through an experimental phase and came up with all kinds of new stuff that the old "grab treasure, put in box" adventure games never did, while IF's retarded cousin, the MUD, has pretty much stagnated and died.
Well okay, that's not entirely fair, there have been some pretty imaginative MUDs but the playerbase seems to want "fantasy MMO but in text" all day erry day.

Huh. I oughtta load up my shitty mud again and tinker with it some, I really want to figure out how to program some drivable cars and a freeway to drive 'em on.

Dammit, playing CDDA and skitterbots just mobbed my "trapped in a lab" broken cyborg. I even knew where the exit was, I just had no way of getting out past the turret.
It would have helped if I had found a single measly first aid kit down there to help me get all my broken bionics out. Did those things stop spawning in labs? That's gotta be an OSHA violation.

This is pure gold.
A story of a tree is the story of how a guy pretended to be a Norwegian supermodel and then made a huge guild in a MUD, then he quit and after a couple months faked "her" death.
People were so pussy-hungry they believed her and they made her a national hero of the game and created a permanent zone with a tree under where you could put permanent cards to remember her death, like " in loving memory of her" and stuff. It got so big they eventually cracked out the case and found out there was no Norwegian supermodel that had died in an accident and that the photos were from a contestant, that when asked about MUD just went "uuuuh what"
And they kept that fucking room
It wad all a scam but they kept it
Fucking amazing
Also
> creative writing instructor Cynthia Brantley Johnson of the University of Texas writes that after a discussion of the Dibbell article and Sherry Turkle's book Life on the Screen, which also mentions LambdaMOO, she has her classes log on to LambdaMOO en masse and congregate "in the 'room' where the virtual rape occurred" before sending them off to explore on their own
What the fuuuck.
This is crazy. I get why people talk about raping kids in hellmoo now

>>181403232

I know a guy who owns his own MUD. Not posting it here but he's autistic as fuck, I like the guy though, he's very nice.

what is the reddit of roguelikes

>>181406569

Is this a zen koan? Or just a very stupid question?

>>181406569
dcss obv

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>kill ikiros with mustard gas
>all his stuff gets trapped in a cloud of acid
>I have no potions and can't get it without dying
>use door creation
>successfully erase mustard gas before it can all get melted
>door creation generated locked steel doors
>have to dive until I find a seges altar and grind leg strength to 20 to kick it open
*sweat*

in case anyone is wondering, you have about 30 in game days to put your character together and reach Elpuri's depth before things start to get really bad, if you don't have infravision or ESP by that point the game will start spawning invisible suicide bombers to stalk you through all the dungeon levels at random times

>>181408082
How much rF would you need to withstand those spawns?

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kids these days

>>181406569
dcss

>>181408452
at least a cloak and a ring at all times. if you happen to be near a spawned mine (which can be undetected, and also come in a "BIG" variety,) or pack of gunpowder it increases the threshold even higher and you'll probably die even then unless you wear an amulet of life saving or elemental protection

it's basically assumed that you will get telecontrol midgame by eating a certain enemy in large quantity, and then keep a wand of teleport in your inventory at all times to move yourself to safety

but then explosions will set off explosives and wands in your inventory unless they're inside a box, and there are wizards and stuff that can smite you with electricity which could fry your dick and kill you or cripple/dismember your limbs, and the worst thing of all is the ones that have the same effect as a wand of striking, which shatters items like potions and wands and explosives and can break your equips, so you could find yourself very quickly running low on teleport wands unless you reach the intelligence event horizon and get ESP to see the bastards coming before you're in direct danger

>>181406569

DCSS

The worst thing about DCSS is that it has such a simple interface compared to other roguelikes. DCSS is made by the interface, the rest of it is sub-par desu.

>>181408082

>same tiles for every area in the game

Why even use tiles if they're going to e this small and similar?

>>181409512
you should try playing the game because you're totally wrong

>tfw no roguelikes where you play as woodland creatures
>tfw can't tear apart other woodland creatures in graphic detail

>>181409651
I think some anon was talking about wanting to make a Redwall themed roguelike

>>181409614

Walls all look nearly the same wherever you go. Game looks cool but the tiles look so repetitive.

>>181409717
>Game looks cool
IVAN's tiles are tome4-tier.

>>181409708

But anon on want to play as a wolf and run around eating deers and fucking wolves and pissing everywhere to mark my territory then using my wolf pack (generated by fucking wolves) to raid a nearby human village and slaughter all their cattle which then leads them to pursue me into the wilderness where I get cornered on the side of a cliff and make a last stand before a human lights me on fire with a torch and I grab him in my jaws before leaping off the cliff to my death.

>>181409852
are you some kind of nigger? I don't know why your fantasy ends with defeat instead of victory but I'm ashamed to have participated in a conversation with you.

A roguelike that simulates cattle locked in a pen and doomed to death would be closer to your caliber.

>>181409651
You could do that all in dwarf fortress adventure mode but i wouldnt say it'd be better than an actual roguelike game.

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2/3

I'm storing these up on GC1

if you're not on the same map corpses and rations won't spoil

also, don't try to fight these guys. it's a bad idea.

>>181398650
Known bug, we'll have to find a solution for that. For the time being, activate the curses interface only after choosing your character, or set your character in the options file directly.

Example: OPTIONS=role:Aci,race:Hax,gender:Fem,align:Cha

>>181409839
I've always thought IVAN's tiles looked pretty cool, while ToME's looked too fake to immerse myself in the game. Still, free country.

>>181409156
If you wear a tin helmet, you block ESP from the inside and outside, so wizards can't see you and zap you.

>>181391392
>Vitalization makes you immune to poison (not resistant, IMMUNE, this is important)
no
vitalization prevents the poison status effect (as if you were casting Cure Poison each turn or something) but it does not prevent direct damage that would be reduced by rPois such as that from Venom Bolt

>>181411773
wait what

are you fucking serious

knowing this game I could totally believe that. you better not be rusing me anon

>>181412153
Hmm, actually
https://attnam.com/posts/28056
They made helmet soundproof, but removed the ESP block from tin helmets.
Still, it's all trunk stuff.

>>181328747
Is there a roguelike that lets me play as the best dad?

>>181328747
SOON

>>181412729
There's one that lets you kill the worst dad

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>tfw later depths are choke-full of good stuff
>!Levitation, !Fire immunity, !Telepathy, two staves of lightning I don't need, more potions, jesus
I keep drinking potions the moment I see them because there's just no more space in my inventory. And I just dropped my =Awareness +1 for a Charm of Protection +2, not sure if this was a good idea.

There's a fourth potion of life on the level. Should I drop an utility potion to get it, or drink it immediately?

>create a kill hole in the wall with wand of digging
>luring all sorts of monsters in there
>tfw get pushed up against the wall and raped by a troll
>die by bleeding out of anus

Little insta-death "Easter eggs" like this are so annoying.

>>181413598
you probably skilled your char wrong trolls are easy

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angband.live is a thing faggots, go now

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basically lucked through this one with a random teleport

no scars this time either

I did accidentally blow my own leg off with a wand of lightning though

>>181413093
Jesus fuck what in god's name is that seed
>There's a fourth potion of life on the level. Should I drop an utility potion to get it, or drink it immediately?
Fuck man I don't know my runs are always like a hood nigga tryna survive, not whatever this is

>>181413927
It's also a really sloppy thing. Nobody wants to play vanilla PCB when there's the variants around, Angband is a snorefest and if I wanted to play Sil I would play it offline where I can change the font and size with what I want.

Also the permanent chat is incredibly annoying.

>>181413598
i didnt know maidensnow eve had wands

>Sonja evaporates and reforms as a spriggan!
>Sonja picks up an uncursed dagger of distortion.
uh oh

>>181413810

>The troll holds you down and thrusts it's green penis into your asshole
>Your intestines are torn out like confetti
>It seems like hours before you feel a blast of liquid travel up your rear end
>Troll cum drips out of your mouth and nose
>The troll leaves you on the floor like a broken toy
>Blood and cum flow out of your ass into the floor
>You die

>computer is terrible and can't run any fun roguelikes somehow
>DCSS runs fine though
>tfw so pissed off at how shit DCSS that I'm modding the game out of pure spite

>>181415509
say hi to lugonu

should i receive necronomicon or brand pain
probably necro since i got excruciating wounds right

>>181415573
anon I make a point to never make rape jokes ever. there's a reason and if you don't know what it is it's because the jews already got you

>>181416227
Why would you ever not get Necro?

>>181416589
nigga take your pills

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>trying to grind some healing potions with mellis
>spend most of the actual time irl chasing townspeople around to brainwash them with beautiful music and chasing angels around talking about the inner mysteries of the universe to get more smarter

>>181416763
I'd rather take your balls if someone hadn't beaten me to it

>>181416849
why do you play alpha in the fucking roguelike general lmao

>>181416589

I agree that the Jews are a serious problem but fail to understand your point.

>>181416763 KIKE SHILL DETECTED

>>181416589
>jews get blamed for political correctness
>jews get blamed for rape jokes
>point this out
>jews get blamed for being both sides

>>181417095

Jews takes both sides of the war to hedge their beta.

>tfw no tal-MUD where you play a kike

>>181417203
Lel, every time.
This general really has gone down the shitter, that's sad.
>>181417228
Kek

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strangely, charming npcs makes them wander around and sort of congregate in a friendly mob near the bottom left of the map

>>181417619

>someone profits off of roguelikes

Anon I agree with you that the Jews are a problem haunting our society, but come on man, this is a roguelike thread not /pol/

>>181414086
I know right? I spent my last five runs dying at D13 without finding a single Detect Magic, surviving on scraps, and suddenly bam, Ali Baba's motherfucking cave.

I guess Dar priestesses are just broken, they let you ignore the food clock and grab as much stuff as you'd like.

>>181417619
You're touched in the head in so many ways, man.

>>181417972

He's 6,000,000% correct on the JQ. Just too autistic to realize this is the wrong place for it. Don't be mean. He just cares about his people

>>181406569
dungeons of dredmor

>>181418093
No, you're both wrong.
>He just cares about his people
Like everyone in america he only cares about projected identity. Your man behind the curtain shit is part of that

>>181418402

If you deny that the Jews have a disproportionate amount of influence on American society you're denying reality. Let's try not to derail the thread though Mr. Goldberg.

>>181418402
I care about real people. You care about how you feel and that's it.

>>181418734

He is incapable of understanding that anon, he is unable to process it and will instead think your just using that as an excuse for your evil le nazi raycism.

>>181418974
He has the mirror neurons in his head. He just has to actually use them.

>>181418734
I don't believe you.
>>181418974
>evil le nazi raycism.
No, that's not the problem.

>>181418974
Not an excuse, but a sad delusion. If 4chan nazis cared about people they would abandon their impotent murder fantasies and support causes that actually help people.

>>181419343
>support causes that actually help people.
implying there are any

sereiously name ONE

>>181419549
Jackie Chan

>>181419343

>support causes that actually help people

They do. You're too much of a coward to challenge the status qou, you'd rather call people who don't want Muslim rape gangs in their countries nazis! Pathetic. I hope you'll learn.

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Lifehacks amirite

>>181420338

Have you won this game yet? I've heard it's almost impossible and that you end up dying to unfair RNG half the time.

Also Veronica please tell me you know about the Jews

>>181420498
I've killed Elpuri before but I'm still working on Oree and Petrus so I can become High Priest.

My current game is looking really strong so I'm hopeful.

The Jew fears the Samurai.

>>181421271

Good luck anon. Make sure to post your wins.

Hail victory

>>181422023
I miss the days of the fun autists instead of you faggots

>>181422294
>p-put down the gun goyim

>>181422294

JUDEN!

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>>181422294
/rlg/ is dead, anon. We should pull a dicks and leave for some months and try out other stuff. Maybe notroguelikes will do us good.

I'm playing a rogue in nethack right now. Which I'm sure isn't cool with the DCSS circlejerk ("omg, nethack has the worst design ever, how dare every mechanic not be immediately understood!", "no tutorial!","wherez mah tilez"), but whatever, I'm having fun throwing daggers at newts.

>>181422371
>>181422441
>why do they call us nazis :(
I just dislike you for ruining a good thing.

>>181422745

Anon don't worry, we all think DCSS is retarded. Hard to call it a roguelike at all with how simple it is.

Post screenshots come on anon.

>>181422816

I dislike you for ruining Western culture and countless countries/economies. Chill out my Jewish friend.

>>181422487
I had left for more than a year or so, sad to see this is what /rlg/ has become.

Vidya wise I'm into fightan now and DSII (late fucking comer, I know) is fun. Maybe I'll pay the Doom guys at /vr/ a visit, it's been a while.
>>181422745
NetHack's fun, until you win it. Then it's conducts or boredom, really.
>>181422970
I'm not Jewish or even a citizen from any relevant country (inb4 globalism). I just genuinely hate your kind.

>>181411370
Is there any way to delete my save file?

>>181423516
Whatever, edgelord.

RIP /rlg/. Oh well.

>>181406569
nethack, tbqh

>literally the "when does the narwhal bacon?" of roguelikes
>people still think they're the coolest hackers for playing it
If Nethack were more popular, this would be more obvious.

DCSS is more like the Facebook of roguelikes. It's shit, it's been progressively getting shittier, and everyone and their mother wants something else to replace it but refuse to just move on, because they're stuck in their old ways.

>>181424940
>everyone and their mother wants something else to replace it

I thought kids dumped facebook for snapchat and instagram?

>>181425648
One could argue roguelites and their popularity among people younger than 25 is the equivalent to kids moving to snapchat/instagram.

Doesn't really change the fact that DCSS/Facebook have massive userbases (compared to their competition, anyway).

>>181425826
That would imply most kids new what a roguelike is anyway. The average one playing boi or gungeon sure don't.

>Jap devs are supposed to be better than the west
>Elona is the most autistic thing to come from them

Step it up

>>181417619
Hey, corporations DO profit off our misery. They don't do it while cackling and high-fiving each other; the desire to reinforce or ignore misery so we don't change the status quo is implicit rather than stated, and I don't think segregation through race mixing factors at all, that shit's too long term for the rich to care.

It happens, of course. In meeting rooms or over e-mail, during the clinical and detached conversations between white, mostly Caucasian men in suits. In the end you don't need to involve the great jewish conspiracy and bloodline stuff for it to make sense.

>>181422870
I am literally just playing nethack, you know what that looks like.

has /rlg always been a bunch of anti-semitic bullshit, or did I just not notice?

So I've been trying to turncount speedrun recently, best I've done is gotten swamp rune under 6k turns with a MiBe.

I want to know what the species 'tier's for speedruns are, I assume it's like DD,VS as the best followed by Mi and Tr, with the rest being shite for getting 19k, 15-runes, right?

>>181428115
i think it's 4chan as a whole. i don't really hate jews but some of the other people here REALLY hate kikes. its weird

>>181425826
Roguelites are proof that the devil exists.

>>181428431
I find it bizarre. Like, even when I was a dumbass teenager, at least I wasn't a racist dumbass teenager.

>>181428594
Yea it's crazy. You should see >>>/pol/, they fucking hate niggers and jews over there. And liberals too.

>>181428431
THE JOOZ ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR EVERYTHING

I wish they hadn't cut Lava Orcs.
Lava Orcs of Qazlal are great fun.

>>181429508
where can i do this

>>181429692
Old trunk versions. I have one for .15 trunk just incase I want to play a QazlOrc

>>181429781
This is why I keep a very old version of DCSS: I like my mountain dorfs.

>>181429781
how though

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>tfw you really enjoy roguelikes but also suffer from dyscalculia

I probably know the answer to this already, but what is a game that depends on numbers as little as possible? I already tried Binding of Isaac but didn't like the aestethic of the game.

>>181430218
Have you tried DoomRL? The only thing it has numbers for is the rolled dice for weapon damage, which isn't that complex, and your hitpoints which aren't a specific number but always just a % from 0 to 200 depending.

>>181430218
DCSS

>>181429107
Looks like a bootleg helm of the alchemist

>>181430545
I haven't tried it and will check it out asap!

>>181430914
I'm not sure if you're serious.

>>181431439
>I'm not sure if you're serious.
if it's so bad you can't tell the difference between a +9 great mace or a +2 great mace, how the hell do you survive?
Numbers don't matter in crawl.

>>181430545
DoomRL is so fast paced it's almost a roguelite.

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>>181417920
Well, that was a win. Seed is 146218461 if anyone's interested.

>>181430218
The only numbers you really need to keep in mind in Brogue are % chance to hit/get hit (which automatically calculates the turns until you/the enemy dies 1-on-1), inventory space, and some charges/enchantments on your items. You're never subtracting hit points in your head or anything. Gold doesn't matter. Does that sound okay?

>>181423476
Hit y and then j, that should do the trick. No idea why the recovery prompt isn't displayed with curses; of course you can also just temporarily turn off curses in the options, then you'll see the prompt.

Also, as I said, the curses interface is still in beta stage; improvements will happen in future.

>>181434671
Oh, also, the curses interface works best with a larger terminal, I'd personally use 140x40, and there's a (soon to be fixed) problem where certain messages require you to press Tab to advance them. And sometimes the Tab prompt doesn't even appear on the screen; the playing field will have a red border if it happens, though.

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>start in town in a church
>turret roadblock out front kills the zombies
>hop in an rv and drive off as the turret blasts at the door
How to keep this one alive? I have basically nothing, so while I could go live by the river for a bit but I doubt it would let met me make my character much stronger.

>>181436163

Hide out, wait for nightfall, loot a few houses on the western edge. Fleeing into a forest is a good way to lose pursuers.
Alternately, drive on down the road and see what you find. A farm or cabin or something is a great starter base.

You've got some isolated building down in the southeast. Gas station maybe? (Your colors are a little different from mine) It'd be worth checking out. Isolated buildings generally have few Zs. As long as there's not a fungal spire or triffid heart or something near it you might be able to build that into a base.

>>181436163
3 O' CLOCK
ROADBLOCK

>>181438005
It's a roadside food cart, that despite the name, had no more food than a can of cream soda. Though at least it had a fridge I could smash for a hose so it wasn't totally useless.

>>181428115
It's weird to be honest.
You see shit like
>>181428431
>>181429017
>>181429074
and just kind of hope it's satire.

Fun Cave is Labyrinth of Fun?

>>181438971
>and just kind of hope it's satire.
I think it starts as satire in the early dawn of the boards then new people start seeing these guys shitposting about hitler and nazis and fags and niggers and think that since so many think like that they must be right
and then the actual nazis fag-hating racists pour in thinking they're in good company

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>>181439405
oops, fatfingers temporarily got the best of my spelling ability

>>181439670
Ice cave, fuck the labyrinth really, if you do the caves fast, youll still have time for the labyrinth

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is there a darker color purple to drain? or is that it?

>>181440087
Why would you do such a thing?

>>181439670
I prefer the lab because .20 ice caves are complete bullshit nowadays, with white ugly things and whatnot. But >>181440000 is right, it'd be better to try out the cave, sprint out if it's bad or sprint in if it's ok and then try to reach for the lab.

>>181440272
science

>>181440087
Is purple drain 0 in all skills? I thought red was the worst ever.
Also harm a shit

So tranny dev's aside, what is it people have against DCSS? It's fastpaced, balanced, and fun.

>>181440445
yes. and yea harm is shit
it kept draining so i guess it just took me to zero and extended the length of time i'll be there. i did it 20 or 25 times. seemed like a cool thing to do

>>181440445
devs and the tavern always harp on about 'interesting decisions' and then they put in amulet of harm, which is legitimately worse than no amulet at all and has a hefty cost to take it off.

It's so retarded, if they wanted it to be interesting, the damage increase should be more drastic to actually make people want to use it.

>>181440919
it was meant to be a thing like amulet of inaccuracy. they just don't come cursed 100% of the time that's all

>>181440919
I'm going to bring this up next time minqmay is shitting up chat defending their decisions and acting righteous. I'd love to see his reasoning.

>>181440458
too much bloat. Just look at the different types of food. Just remove them all and reduce inventory size by 4.

Also remove all races besides MiBe

>>181440273
>white ugly things
At least those can just melee you to death

Frost Giants and Frost Fiends are worse imo

>>181440458
Those tranny devs also have some fucked up vision on what makes a game F.U.N. and how utterly fucked the code is, makes it so forking is impossible

>>181440087
so it only took me 3 dungeon levels and 3 actual XL to get back to dark red drain so maybe it stops stacking at some point

What is better, CDDA or Unreal World?

>>181441207
>>181441182
With al the people who are somewhat fluent in this stuff and the way the tavern clique works why can't we take over? One of our own trannys can start attention whoring and then we step in as the head clique members and start editing shit. If we don't have a tranny we can borrow one.

>>181441116
I wonder if minmay is actively looking to destroy crawl. Every single one of his GDD posts are retarded, but seem to be loved by the devs. Like making making paralysis unresistable, or removing all wands because they clutter his inventory.

>>181441476
I doubt people here care enough to induce change, but I guess it would be possible. But I will gladly try to make this game better as soon as I am a bit more fluent in programming

This is the average tavern thread:
https://crawl.develz.org/tavern/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=23806

no dissent allowed, even if you give no reasons for your proposal.

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>>181368265
Anon you're right, the art is shit and definitely needs to be more gritty, however I'm not an artist, I'm a dev. So part of my list for the future is to look for an artist and figure out how to compensate them.

>Don't forget the Combat Zones
Yeah that's probably a better name for it. I was heavily inspired by stuff like pic related. It's enough of a labyrinth to be a really good roguelike setting.

>>181441545
[22:44] <minqmay> so does literally anybody like lair branches
[22:45] <minqmay> like all they've done over time is get more and more annoying
[22:45] <minqmay> being ONE level shorter hardly makes up for each level taking 3x as long to do as, say, pre-constriction snake
[22:47] <minqmay> floor traps were only deadly in early D, once you could survive blade/zot traps they were no worse than they are now
[22:48] <minqmay> amnesia traps were stupid ofc
[22:48] <minqmay> anyway no I don't remember when lair branches were 7 levels deep or when floor traps in lair branches were deadly, because it is hard to remember things that never happened
[22:49] <minqmay> yes, they were trimmed from 5 to 4 floors
[22:49] <minqmay> which was good
[22:49] <minqmay> lair used to be 10, then changed to 8 and then 6,
[22:54] <minqmay> and i'd be fine with keeping the lair branches if they weren't engineered to annoy you to death
[22:55] <minqmay> if snake lost the slow monster spam and the constriction it would be a good branch
[22:55] <minqmay> and the poison spit spam ofc
[22:56] <minqmay> but instead every monster gets covered in terrible gimmicks and convoluted spells that do nothing to legitimately threaten you (e.g. draining gaze, ignite poison, engulf, everything about krakens and sirens/avatars)
[22:58] <minqmay> and don't forget packs because god forbid you find a naga mage and just fight the naga mage, instead of finding the naga mage and kiting its naga pack so you can deal with them separately
[22:58] <minqmay> avatars have always been shit
[22:58] <minqmay> to be fair shoals swamp and spider were horrendous from day 1, but two of those branches are dcss additions...
[22:59] <minqmay> and there has been almost no progress on making them less shit; the best you can say is that autoexplore sort of comes close to working in swamp and shoals now


...lol

>>181440273
>I prefer the lab because .20 ice caves are complete bullshit nowaday
The loot in lab got nerfed to oblivion its not even funny and lab was always bullshit, you should already know all the patterns and what can await you at the end, easy to adjust and prepare that way

>>181442117
did he actually say that or is this satire?

Isn't it awesome that we actually have a Roguelike General? One would think the genre is dead and kinda shit but we still manage to keep /rlg/ alive

>>181442275
i can screenshot it if you want

>>181442407
I can actually believe it comes from him, but from anybody else this would be ridiculous ...

>>181442117
Didn't slime used to be 7 levels in like .13 and before?

>>181442275
>or is this satire?
we try not to talk about him, but when we do the bullshit he ends up spewing is off the charts.

>>181442402
>alive
we're completely dead save from the shitposts

Is there a nigger race in crawl?

>>181442664
Naga?

>>181438936

I wouldn't have smashed the fridge myself. Hoses aren't that hard to come by, and rigging that fridge up with power can help preserve food through the hot summer months. Minifridges can be tough to get without lucking out and finding an RV or food cart.