/agdg/ - Amateur Game Development General

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What tool/functionality are you waiting for?

>>181188679
Viable water physics, it's 20 god damn 17

arise chicken

>>181188679
huh, nothing. There is literally nothing holding me back.

fug new thread and I just posted this in the old one, oh well I'll do it here too:

I live in New Zealand so there's not many Americans here, but I need American voices for my game, so what's the best way to get some? Just post an ad on upwork or some other site? Or just hire some kiwi actors to do american accents (is it super obvious to real americans when they're faked?)

>>181188520
Name the top two things to focus on to get a game noticed.

>>181188679
three dot zero

>>181188839
For pay? VoiceBunny is a thing
Otherwise ask googem, he's on your timezone and is an american

>>181188875
art
advertising $

>>181188875
spamming reddit with "funny" gifs of your game

>>181188875
shilling and graphics

>>181188875
Spamming LPs with a low enough frequency not to be caught by their spamfilter.
Fucking gaym journalists.

>>181188964
>advertising $
REEEEEEE

>>181188679
motivation injections

>>181188679
nothing, 2.1.4 fixed the weighting problem in the A* algorithm, i can literally make any functionality i want using the engine's scripting language.

>>181188839
I thought Hugh Laurie was American when I was a kid. In fact, he got cast as House right after the casting director said no more British actors.

I have been led to believe that American accents are very easy to imitate.

>>181189174
>no audio buses

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monster girl gamu is soon!

>>181188784
>can't make an interesting game happen in a single cubic meter
Point at him and laugh.

>>181188679
The ECS library I'm using just released a new version that changes the entire API, and I'm debating with myself whether to move forward with a rewrite now, or wait until they make further changes

>>181189069
>Fucking gaym journalists.
This is the best, most reliable method.
The downside is you have to have sex with a game journo.

>>181188964
>VoiceBunny
Thanks, looking at that site now, wish I could refine the search by accents within america though

>>181189225
Yeah but you also hear about how bad peoples american accents are all the time, for instance the girl who plays Jean Grey in the nu-xmen movies. Maybe though. Were you able to tell the guy playing Judge Dredd in Dredd is from New Zealand?

>>181189337
>breaking backwards compability
Crime worse than murder.

>>181189475
It's pre-1.0. I knew what I was getting into when I used it.

>>181189436
I couldn't find a good clip for Jean Grey and wasn't sure exactly what to look for, but I just watched a 20-second clip from Dredd and he sounded American to me.

I have never heard something that sounded to me like a "bad American accent," although it's possible I just didn't realize they were trying to sound American.

>>181189174
Currently looking to compile the binaries with something that won't plant telemetry methods in my files. There is like 1 guy who did it and wrote about it.

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>>181188875
Followup question:
What is the least important thing for a game to be noticed?

>>181189997
Game feel and graphics.

So, for some artists I took more than a decade to sell their first shit, working day after day.

Some, it took even more than a decade and half before mastery.

>>181189997
Clean and elegant code.

>>181189997
gameplay

>>181189337
>not making your own custom functions and call them instead of directly dealing with the api
now instead of changing just a part of your code you need to rewrite everything, it's your fault

>>181190016
no
>>181190075
yes
>>181190087
no

>>181190065
Lots of artists don't get recognition until after they've died.

Edgar Allen Poe died broke and HP Lovecraft wrote a lot of his stuff just because he was desperate for money. Notably, he hated Reanimator.

>>181189997
gameplay balance
it can't be shown in screenshots, videos, etc

>>181189997
Coder here.

Don't listen to >>181190075 or >>181190157 nobody cares about your code and only art will get noticed even in this general.

>>181189912
what telemetry methods?

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>>181190308
>nobody cares about your code
>so don't listen to the guys saying it doesn't matter

>>181190308
>coders in charge of reading comprehension
LEAST

>>181190360
https://www.infoq.com/news/2016/06/visual-cpp-telemetry

>>181190412
>>181190436
You don't get it.

I didn't read it wrong, he wrote it wrong and wanted to ask for the most important one.

>>181190618
After already asking for
>the top two things to focus on to get a game noticed

>inb4 just pretening

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>>181190618
Are you bullshitting to save face on a an anonymous Mongolian shadow puppetry forum or do you actually believe "what is the most important thing to get noticed" is a follow-up question to "what are the top two things to get noticed"

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>>181188520
How do I lowpoly 3D model?
And also, what are a bunch of objects that are good practice to model?

>>181190954
Cube.

>>181190954
Talent.

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>>181190954
>How do I lowpoly 3D model?
Just don't add as many polygons as for a mid to higth poly object, duh.

>>181190308
I think you misunderstood my post>>181190157

I was advocating that game feel and graphics were more important than elegant code. although i might have misunderstood the original question since it was worded quite awfully. also I too am a "coder".

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>>181190954
>How do I lowpoly 3D model?
do a high poly and then use topogun

Why are those waiting for 3.0 not compiling it from git? Are you holding out for a stable release?

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Added sound to my game today

i might had made a terrible mistake, the colisions of the meteors makes a sick beat,

>>181191238
he understood you
it was the original question he didn't understand

>>181191780
I'm gonna wait til the official alpha release. I know it'll still be buggy, but at least it'll mostly work.

>>181191780
No one is actually waiting, it's like the Vulkan hamster

>>181191780
because a pre-alpha is not exactly very usable

>>181192015
>pong
Looks more like Breakout to me.

>>181191780
no one here actually uses or wants to use godot
there is nothing wrong with godot but nobody actually uses it

>>181192183
>>181192102
I do

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How do I go about finding a programmer for an indie game who doesn't respond to queries with "My rate is $3000/minute"

I want to hire people to work with but the only applicants I get are:

1. I've never finished a game before, but I can make you a Tamagotchi.
2. My rate is your entire budget.

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>>181192183
>nobody actually uses it
That's a flat-out lie.

>>181192272
>I don't want to pay a lot but I don't want to hire an amateur either
Make up your mind

Or just learn to use Blueprints. Speaking as a programmer who can't do art or music, I feel pretty confident that this is the easiest of the three to learn from nothing, and Blueprints make it even easier.

>>181192272
Find a programmer who wants to team up for a gamejam, then befriend them and suggest your project afterwards

>>181192312
>enginedev getting GODOT'D

>>181192312
There are about 5 devs on /agdg/ using Godot and at least twice as many shitposters who were either never going to even try it out or used it for 1-2 days and are just praising it for sake of an enginewar

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>>181192312
>no one here uses godot
>that's a lie, here's a screenshot of someone on another site using it

>>181192413>>181192272
I do art, and I've been looking to make connections with programmers, but those that work have an insanely high price, or are flakes and leave after the fun part ends.

>>181192590
>not recognizing the game
dumb wojak kidnapper

>>181192143
its also not a rpg, thats the joke

>>181192590
>someone on another site
Welcome to agdg, newfriend!

>>181188679
LOVE 0.11 I guess, for queueable audio sources, although I'm not really waiting and I may give up my dynamically synthesized music idea, I haven't even really started on it yet

>>181192590
>another site
>stick rpg anon
common, he makes that game for longer than i've put PMP on hold

>>181192640
>>181192681
>screenshot of a game I've never seen
>posted on a different site
>i-it's from here, I swear!

>>181192801
kys

>>181192698
>queueable audio sources
That doesn't sound like something that requires a complcated workaround.

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>>181192801
lurk moar before memeing

>>181192640
>>181192681
>om nom nom delicious bait!
KYS yourseves

>>181192801
>4chan filename
>"posted on a different site"
KYS yourself as well

>>181192851
well I have no idea how streaming (or non-streaming) audio works, so I'm not about to cook up my own solution

>>181192102
>>181192183
A few people here do use it. And there's more people outside of /agdg/ that also use it. This isn't a Vulkan situation, Vulkan isn't an engine. And it's not like Polycode binaries either, since Godot has been around for a couple years now, it's not something brand new, it's something that's being worked on by several people and is already proven to be good.

79 posts
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>>181192801
https://itch.io/jam/agdg-demo-day-12
Tender Arms
Now go fuck yourself.

>>181192864
>4chan filename
>"posted on a different site"
>KYS yourself as well
That is a snipping tool screenshot I just took. 4chanx changes the title to 4chan format upon posting.

>>181193394
If someone gives me a tutorials on how to low poly I will post low poly video game progress once I finish a model.

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What are some good character sprites generators?

For side scrollers preferably?

>>181193543
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=low+poly+modeling+tutorial

>>181193618
ms paint

>tfw steam sale ruined my productivity
I'm playing games instead of testing my own game
demo day will be a disaster

>tfw not going to make demo day again

>>181194738
>>181194795
Anons, pls...save demo day

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So Gogems new game is a Western RPG? I thought he was working on some detective shit?
How is he going to turn the Wild Wild West into a spreadsheet game /agdg/

@181195086
you already posted this

>>181193394
>unironically shitposts about shitposts

wheres your game?

>>181192272
>>181192615
Show me your art, if it's good I'll work for you (on the game you want to make) for revenue share.

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you can't escape the bone beatdown

>>181195214
>unironically shitposts about shitposts unironically shitposting about shitposts

>>181195086
who the fuck cares

>>181195251
Make a stamina meter that says "PARKOUR"

>>181195251
Please tell me those are your hands. And your skeleton

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>>181188679
Soft body physics on skeletal meshes - Nvidia's FLEX is close but not there yet.
Better and flexible collision on skeletal meshes - Spheres and capsules fucking suck.
Nvidia GameWorks support on poor people's machines with AMD cards - Until then I'll simply tell them to fuck off.

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>>181195503
this is a good idea

>>181195547
they are indeed my hands, taken in my kitchen with my awful cell phone camera

>>181195251
nice fight knight clone

>>181195251
What engine is this?
It looks kind of BUILD-y but with less distortion from moving the camera vertically.

>>181195225

It's probably too attention grabbing to post my art on 4chan, I don't feel comfortable doing that.

>>181195913
looks like gamemaker to me

>>181195913
>>181196124
It is indeed just GM:S

>>181196089
This is really elaborate, good work.

>>181196089
No anon, we're creators here some of us we'd love to see your work.

>>181195336
now we've come full circle

How do I get a reference to a panel inside a widget in UMG?
WidgetSwitcher panels become variables automatically but grid panels, canvas panels, etc. don't.

>>181195734
福

>>181196124
>>181196195
I never even looked at GM's 3D because I assumed it was unoptimized garbage. Does it have that 90s FPS raycast look by default?

>>181196547
>ふく
>fuku
>fuck u
hmmm

>>181196547
I don't even pretend to know what that thing is - my girlfriend's stepmom gave it to her and she hung it up

>>181196650
It's pretty basic and unoptimized. I use Unity for more fleshed out 3D stuff but I already had a 3D maze generator built in GM:S and this game jam is only a week long

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Which starter would you pick, /agdg/?

>>181196784
>I don't even pretend to know what that thing is - my girlfriend's stepmom gave it to her and she hung it up
It says "good fortune"

>>181196650
>Does it have that 90s FPS raycast look by default?
If that's what you program.

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>>181196819
snek of course

>>181196819
This isn't games development, this is just /v/-tier posting.

>>181196819
legendary assemblee when?

>>181196865
Neat, thanks non. I learned something today!

>>181196819
Rubink of course. Do I look like some kind of plebian that would go for the snek bait?

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Well, I was going to post this with a dropbox link to the EXE so I could get one of y'all to break my game (I've been working on making sure you don't get stuck on corners or warp), but I guess I have to pay YoYo games 100 dollars to build to executable, despite the fact that I bought GS1 twice. Ah well, maybe later.

>>181196518
nevermind, I just found the "is variable" checkbox
For anyone else wondering the same thing, it's at the top of the details panel in the designer view.

>>181196532
Oh wow, it passed.

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>>181196532
I'm sorry bro

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>>181194795
IKTFB

>>181197283
The fuck are you talking about

>>181197283
>despite the fact that I bought GS1 twice
are you using GMS2? If you bought GMS1 then that means you just haven't put in your license into the program.

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>>181194795
>tfw not participating in DD because you are paranoid as fuck

>that feeling when you dont know what tags or what genre your game is

What genre fucking pong is ? Strategy? Puzzle?

>>181198027
Sports.

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>>181197003
>>181196819

Yeah ok but what about this menu

>>181197909
>tfw nodev to stop people stealing my ideas
don't think I don't know what you Jews are up to

>>181197246
Rubink is waifu-tier

>>181196532
wait, why are you sad?

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>>181196225

>>181197881
Sorry, here:
I wanted to post a link to an exe with that pic related so that you guys could mess with it, with the hopes that you'd find an issue I didn't. I'm working on getting the collisions solid so i can have my character move fast and jump around without clipping on corners. I was having problems before where he'd clip into a wall then warp out. Unfortunately, I can't build to exe because I don't have a GMS2 License.

>>181197891
Using GMS2. I used 1 for a loooong time. Was sort of hoping they'd give me a discount or something.

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>>181198076
yeah but would you call this sport?

>>181198290
They had a discount on GMS2 for GMS1 owners for a long-ass time.

>>181196819
My friend is a Carbink fan and really liked this. Passing along the compliments

>>181198360
"i can't see shit" sport

>>181199184
baseball then?

>>181198360
Anon. You've been working on this for longer than I thought you would. Are you ok? Do you need help? I don't know how much more complicated you can make this game mechanic. You've already passed anyone's expectations for that game.

>>181198290
You might want to take a look at the multiplayer tutorial for platform collisions. It uses an interesting bitwise collision system which is solid as fuck. Honestly, I'm still a novice coder, and that $Ff31786 or whatever the fuck value is still voodoo to me, but it completely obliterates the sticky corner issues GMS is famous for. Plus, the network code is easy as fuck to learn from.

>>181199296
>past the hardest part of gamedev
>wanting anon to stop and start something else from scratch

>>181199505
>the sticky corner issues GMS is famous for
First I've heard of it.

>>181199732
Can confirm that's a thing.

>>181199732
Its easy to work around after learning gml, but sticky corners are a novice trap and probably what causes 95% of beginners to drop GMS/gamedev in general.

Probably a good thing in the long run.

>>181199798
Is it an "issue" as in "things are working precisely as they're supposed to and beginners don't know what they're doing" or is it an actual issue?

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>>181199296
thanks man,. i actualy prety much done with the gamepl ay. last thing i did was planet gravity. but i think i going to scrap it.

im doing the itch.io page for the Demo day. then i might start doing some Story more or extra chalenges/ missions then i going to sell lemonade to try to put it on steam. 5000 bucks is a lot of money

>>181199505
Got a link?

>>181200018
m8, please dont.
im glad you made something, but steam doesnt need more learning games.

>>181200018
>5000 bucks
The latest I heard was 100.

>>181192938
dog isnt a queue just a table of audio sources where when one audio playback is done, you remove it and move to the next item?

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Newbie here, I'm learning to code and I have experience with art and music but how does one sit and make a game? What is the planning and production process like?

>>181198285
spicy

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>>181200091
Sorry no link, grab from GMS client. It's a really interesting demo codewise. You will need to do a bit of research to understand some of it (I know I did) but I got more out of this than any other demo/tutorial I've come across.

>>181200483
Do you think there's some magical answer to this question that will unfold the mystery of game development?

>>181200374
from 100 to 5000, depends of the quality of the game,

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>>181200483
>planning

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>>181200463
what? dog?

>>181201090
That's a really weird thing to lie about, anon.

>>181201090
Those figures were the range given by interviewed "professionals". IIRC there was a followup announcement that mentioned 100.

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>>181201080
>>181201202
I just like having things neatly organized

>>181201332
oh i didnt saw the followup annoucement then.

>>181196819
Golanger of course.

Girlmons are shit, rubink is a rip off of a pokemon I don't even like and blue is the best colour

>>181201453
You post was misinfo either way, nothing ever said that it would depend on the quality of the game.

>>181200483
open a TXT file and write everything you want to put in the game

>>181201595
These fucktards would rather take the time to make a post and complete a captcha than hit ctrl+t, tab, and type their question into google.

>>181201587
i might have mispoken it, i thought it was something like, Indie shites had to pay 100 bucks and triple AAA games had to pay 5000 because its 70 gb of cutscenes and use of valve servers for online or some bullshit like that

>>181201595
still 100 dollars too expensive.

I am scripting out a narrative driven game, and my approach to writing is so pretentious it's making me insecure. Every time I see an interview with a story designer they always describe their methodology as incredibly simplistic.

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>>181196532
>>181197723
>>181198272
Hes pouring one out for a scrapped character.

Getting a ton of complaints about the cat so I think il have to revise his character to be kind, and a basic tutorial cat rather than the grumpy personality he had before.

His character is that he gets mad at boku and bullies him, telling him along the whole adventure he cant do it, he sucks, that hes too stupid to solve the puzzle and boku constantly proves him wrong throughout the game. Hes actually based on agdg and people personally I know with direct quotes, based around comments that I couldn't make a game, finish a game, or that my game is stupid. At the end of the game I wanted him to actually apologize.

I like to design via taking all feedback into consideration and putting it to good use so Naggy the box cat was my way to making use of the shitposting.

Additionally he may tell you for example to jump off the stage (which sounds mean at first) since hes so annoyed with you, but secretly he likes you why else would he tag along? and the truth is hes telling you how to solve the puzzle because the solution is to jump off the stage. He just doesn't like to appear nice even though he is. I liked this because it created a situation where I could have a character that helps players who are stuck but without it being so casual as you would have to think about what his "mean" comment really reveals. Another puzzle if you will; instead of the developer telling you the solution out right.

However im actually getting tons of sad emails from 80% of kickstarter backers that they dont like him, and hes not helpful and way too mean with very little people maybe none besides myself maybe understand that hes trying to help as they just judge him on the surface. I wanted to teach maybe even younger audiences that just because someone says something that appears to be mean doesn't mean they necessarily don't care about you and you have to really think before you judge someone.

>>181201748
t. shovelware dev who'll never sell enough to get the deposit back

>>181201951
post some samples lad

>>181200483
you can copy any of a hundred workflows but you should know by now that what works well for one person is likely to not work as well for another person
some of it is more generic as far as personality but depends more on scale or type-- making a small project, a medium-sized project, a large project, and a huge project are all different, and a lot of advice on making other things doesn't apply to games very well
I'd recommend you bang out a few tutorials and one, two, even three programs/small games of your own, and by then you should have a preferred workflow; if you don't then you'll at least be able to to ask better and more specific questions to improve it

>>181201973
>implying i would pay them 100 dollars to put a game on their shovelstore to begin with

>>181201951
>narrative driven game
I hope that means an RPG with lots of dialogue and not an FPS that constantly interrupts the action.

>>181201969
the thumbnail looks like a crying car

>>181202015
Maybe later.
Besides, it's not the writing itself, but more.. intent? I'm always gravitating towards grander concepts than I have any way of carrying off well.

>>181202134
googs confirmed for never releasing a game again

>>181202134
So how do those grapes taste?

>>181201951
As a consumer of writing but not a writer myself, being a pretentious cock at the beginning of one's writing career seems nearly universal, and it also seems like the only way to work out of it is to keep producing shit.

So start producing.

>>181202139
isometric crpg.
Don't think there's anything wrong with a narrative heavy fps though, conceptually.

>>181202134
I thought you already did and that was your excuse for jacking up the price of that one game on itch.io?

>>181202178
We all mollyneux from time to time.
Just gotta challenge yourself to work around the scope

>>181202204
thats stupid. that implies games are only released games once theyre on steam.
when in reality released games are only released shovelware anime once theyre on steam.

>>181202262
fun

>>181202340
greenlight fee went to charity not to steam.

>>181201748
Are you retarded? It should cost at least 500 AMERICAN dollars to upload a game on steam.

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>>181202134
lmao I just looked up your games on steam and you've already got an upcoming releases
also I found this

>>181202436
>greenlight fee went to charity not to steam.
You literally get the $100 back if the game makes a few thousand dollars.
All it does is scare off shoveldevs like you.

>>181202381
>from time to time.
yeah that's the problem though. it's pretty constant. I can't seem to get into a character if it doesn't have a thousand layers and It becomes so forced. I think I lack the ability to write a well rounded character without gimmicky or "profound" elements because I'm such a neet shut-in.

>>181198360
as cool as this looks. I honestly believe you're wasting your time at this point.

>>181202436
>greenlight fee went to charity not to steam.
OK? I'm not sure how that's relevant to what I asked
did you or did you not put games on Steam before? did you or did you not jack of the price of a game on another storefront because of price changes in Steam?

>>181202302
The problem is that "narrative" usually means "cinematic," so we end up with shit like The New Order where an otherwise-great game is dragged down by pointless fake encounters and a laughable story that takes itself too seriously.

>>181202597
>that image
The best shit ever

>>181202850
>The New Order
>an otherwise-great game
o i m laffin

>>181202850
would someone working on a cinematic heavy fps game really come here for advice?

>>181202597
upcoming release didnt involve giving them any money to hold.
100 dollars recoupable at 1000 just means that they no longer trust that the store itself has the income to sustain staffing payment so they're extracting it from developers. it's a sign of steam's decline. ships sinking, find a new ship.

>>181203046
The shooting parts were good as long as you pretended the enemies weren't bullet sponges.

>>181203051
Some of the people who think that shit is good must want to make their own games.
Besides, it wasn't cinematics per se but just a fuckton of pointless scripted sequences that constantly interrupted the action.

>>181203197
It was a stock standard shooter at best.

>>181203154
I know you don't actually believe this but it's still depressing that your ego is big enough to allow you to say something so laughably false just because it allows you to avoid admitting that your games are part of the shovelware cancer that Valve is currently doing the bare minimum to fight.

>>181203345
>charging a fee fights shovelware myth
still makes no sense, how is that supposed to work?

>>181203289
It doesn't compare to Blood or DOOM but it's miles above the typical 2010s FPS.

>>181203154
the fuck are you even talking about?

>>181203479
because unless you're a big company or you're rich you can't just piss out a noticeable amount of money on a regular basis like that

>>181196532
>>181201969
>just checked
>bokube made it
Actually that's good. if Bokube had failed the shitposter would probably be constantly shitposting about it for a whole year.

And I still want to see the ridiculous pc requirements it will have on Steam.

>>181190954

Basically make with squares instead of triangles.

>>181203154
>>181203479
Shit nigga, you might be legally retarded

>>181203479
Because shoveldevs like you know your game can't make $1000 so you'll either lose money or make so little profit that a Steam release isn't worth the trouble.
It also prevents people from releasing garbage on purpose just to sell steam cards.
There will still be shovelware but there will be quite a bit less.

>>181203514
Nobody buys his shovelware, so he can no longer release on Steam because he won't make back the fee. This bruises his ego so he's trying to convince himself that Valve requiring a temporary deposit for each release means they're broke.

>>181203825
You should go dig in the archives when googz was trying to sell us on his INFINITE EVIDENCE idea.

>>181192272

Robably gonna have to learn programming yourself.

And alot of self advertised 'programmers' are incompetents.

>>181203586
>steam saw its biggest increase in game releases while charging a $100 entry fee to developers AND tasking them with advertising the steam store
>apple app store is the biggest shovelware home in the universe and it charges $100 a year
>itchio charges nothing and has no "shovelware epidemic"
explain to me again how charging developers stops shovelware, seems to me its the opposite. seems to me the $100 per game fee is going to increase shovelware as the shovelware profit margin gets smaller... like squeezing a hose.

>>181203289
It had a lot of heart and that was enough for me. More than could be said for many shooters on the market.

>>181204116
Explain to me how stores with a miniscule marketshare are not targeted by shovelshitters.

>>181204116
>has no "shovelware epidemic"
I have literally never seen an itch game, let alone a paid one that looked release quality.
Itch is synonymous with me for a literal shovelware platfrom. Like a second newgrounds.

>>181204116
Greenlight brought shovelware because, before that, it wasn't piss easy to get garbage on Steam. There was no fee per game.
$100/year encourages volume.
There's less shovelware on itch because there's a much smaller userbase.
Reducing the profitability of shovelware makes it less attractive to produce, as proven by your claim that you will no longer release it on Steam.

But you know all of this and you're just lying to yourself.

>>181201595

Hat is correct, with $1000 or so recoupable cost.

>>181204548
>Reducing the profitability of shovelware makes it less attractive to produce, as proven by your claim that you will no longer release it on Steam.
please stop calling me shovelware.
i know you fucks are nodevs so anyone who makes games is shovelware to you but i make 1-2 games a year and they're original works.
shovelware to yesdevs means someone who shits out reskins of the same unoriginal garbage however many dozens of times a year it takes to edge out a profit from a platform with "inherent views/sales/something". it's capitalist gaming, you do not solve capitalist gaming with more capitalist game rules, fees just make the game more fun for them.

>>181204116
>be 3rd worlder
>pay entry fee of 1000000 nigger dollars(0.01 US dollar)
>release asset flip with trading cards
>make 1$
>become the richest man in the village

Also
>be googs
>suck and fail at everything
>get an ego boost out of releasing trash on steam
>get butthurt and even more retarded when Valve tries to put an end to this

>>181204116
itchio is a fucking meme, no one knows it exists outside of your indie dev circle

>>181204871
>with $1000 or so recoupable cost.
No

>>181205054
good, normies ruin gaming.

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>all creativity appears after being awake 16 or more hours
>all ability to actually produce something disappears after being awake 13 hours

>>181205109
normies is where the money is

>hit a nerve with shovelware
wew

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>>181204979
>1-2 games a year and they're original works.
You need 6-12 month to make your garbage?

>>181205187
>normie developers
>normie consumers
exactly why shovelware is exploding on normie platforms

>>181205018
honestly I fucking love when googem show up and start talking shit like he knows whats good. I close my eyes and think about those shit ui-sim games that nobody likes, the neck arts and the poor quality youtube videos where he cant even follow his own script and need images from agdg to have anything interesting going. Truly, the man is QUALIFIED to talk shit with such knowledge of profound fecalness.

>>181205018
the entry fee is not adjusted. its 100 dollars no matter where you are

>>181205372
but normies are into anything AAA related, esports and whatever looks good, not shovelware stuff. Just look at blizzard or bethesda games.

>>181205398
gogem is great because he is literally the bottom of the dev food chain, but anons are still jealous of his minor success

Will the next YESDEV talk about shovelware and why capitalism is ruining gamedev?

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>>181205348
you need an entire lifetime to produce nothing?

In ue4 can you do displacements without tessellation? I just want to make some spheres wobbly with displacement but I don't want to add a bunch of extra geometry with the tessellation.

>>181204979
Did I hit a nerve? You don't like hearing how your garbage is shovelware with no value?

> fees just make the game more fun for them.
No they don't you moron. A lot of the garbage on Steam was being released to take advantage of trading cards, which is no longer profitable.
If it's not profitable, they won't do it. That's capitalism at work.

>>181201969
Hey bokube I think you should find the happy middle ground, where you can make the players happy and also be happy yourself with the creation.

Goodluck!

>>181205556
>using a reaction from a show you didnt even watch
Youre the normie, googs.

>>181205642
You have world position offset for that.

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my game is not shit

>>181205796
Look on the bright side, anon: it might be shit, but at least it's not shovelware.

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>>181205642
yes, you can.

>>181205796
at least you're not googem

I've been working on the same game since I was 5, I'm 23 now, and it's still bad.

>>181205862
pretty *_*

>>181205981
maybe you should upgrade your engine by now, nobody uses basic anymore

>>181205981
this is p romantic, keep working on it for the rest of your life. finish other games on the way of course

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Completed a 2 person, 7 day wave defense game. You can laugh at it now.

>>181205556
lel you really do take pride in releasing shovelware on steam
>b-but I have games on steam
>I am someone!
>mommy do you love me now?

>>181205642
Also don't forget to make your edges soft in Maya (don't know how to do that in Blender) - otherwise your polygons will split like in the left side of the webm the other guy posted.

Heard joke once: Man goes to agdg. Says he's depressed. Says life seems harsh and cruel. Says he feels all alone in a threatening world where what sells ahead is vague and uncertain. Anon says, "Treatment is simple. Great shitposter and neck-memer gogem is in the thread tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up." Man bursts into tears. Says, "But anon...I am gogem.

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>>181206157

>>181205642
Wait I think I just have to use displacement and set the tessellation to zero.
>>181205774
World position offset looks so confusing to use. From what I've seen, I can't just use a displacement map.
>>181205862
That looks like some position offset wizardry that'd be beyond my understanding.

>>181206098
>looks better and probably plays better than all of gogems shit combined
>made in 7 days
Jesus Christ man, are you trying to drive gogem into suicide?

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My game is getting comfier by the day.

>>181206710
Why does he keep shouting?

>>181206156
Oh good to know. I've got it smooth already but that may save me some headaches later.

>>181206481
You need to multiply your displacement map by a vertex normal before popping the output into world position offset.

>>181206710
Looks pretty good.

What's that giant spinning sphere in the background?

>>181206056
At age 50 it'll finally be complete, I'll name it "Hello World"

>>181206845
Complete it at 80, push the last commit on your deathbed, and name it "Goodbye World".

>>181206984
what kinda fantasy world do you live in where we haven't solved aging in 60 years?

>>181205740
you realize i have an anime video series where i mention the shows i watched right?
realistic highschooler sexual comedy show starring fattits mc2pure4thisworld was one of the best of whatever season that was.

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>>181206794
What!? I thought I was already doing that because that's how I was using the displacement. Thanks man, I must have skipped a beat somewhere.

>>181207102
haha nice

>>181207137
Shouldn't you be working on your next shovelware release?

>>181207137
>hate SoL
>watch it because cowtits and sex
God googs, every day i just manage to hate you more.

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>>181207137
>you realize i have an anime video series

>>181207205
what are you laughing at anon.

>>181207391

>>181205709
>garbage on Steam was being released to take advantage of trading cards, which is no longer profitable
i dont know enough about this to say one way or the other but if that was the problem and they solved it then why are you also saying the fee solves it? the fee does nothing aside from making unprofitable products (90% of steam) more profitable for steam than they were before.
if we're going to follow the logic of capitalism... steam is now incentivized to get more low-quality unprofitable games through their doors because it's a no-loss scenario, they either win with the fee or win with 30% of a hit.
steam may have solved the current problem with trading cards but they are now incentivized to return that problem and/or make many new exploitable problems to incentivize shovelware devs to pay them.

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>>181206512
I, uh, thanks ? I'm not up on my /agdg/ lore.

Added a last minute mechanic to water plants to revive them. Would have made it more complex, but ran out of time.

Moving onto another project that's going to be a simple first person sci-fi puzzle thing.

>>181206710
Looks neat. The moon(?) in the background looks odd.

>>181205981
>>181206056
>spend entire life working on one game
>in the mean time, work on and release other games using what you've learned on your main project
>all your side projects are really good
>you develop a following of loyal fans who love your work
>you don't keep it a secret that you've spent your entire life working on a single game
>fans can't wait to play it
>years go by and the pace of your releases slows down but the quality increases
>you're now 150 due to the Google brand death vaccination
>on your deathbed dying of dickhole cancer you caught from one of your groupies
>decide to release the final build of your magnum opus, finally complete after 145 years of development
>fans all over the world download it, excited to see the greatest work of their favorite developer
>it's shit

>>181206147
WYG? (steam.exe not required)

>>181207234
>SoL
it's a gag comedy
>watch it because cowtits and sex
i continued to not drop it and enjoy it because it was funny.
you need to work on your assumption skills.

>>181207745
Which engine and what shader?

>>181207571
Where will the games come from if nobody has any incentive to make them you colossal retard

>it's a no-loss scenario
It already is. Because of economies of scale, it costs Valve effectively nothing to release a new game. If it doesn't sell well that means it can't place any kind of strain on their servers anyway.

>if that was the problem and they solved it then why are you also saying the fee solves it?
The fee is the reason it's no longer profitable you moron.

God, it's no wonder you make nothing but shovelware when you're this stupid.

>>181207881
Unity

Slightly modified toon shader. That's the programmer's job, I just make the pretty colors.

>>181207826
What SoL isnt a comedy?

>>181207745
>>181206098
Not bad, did you make it for an university course?

>>181208191
looks like the normal toon one too me
did he add normal maps to it?

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Hey, I need some feedback. There are feedback questions in the end for feedback direction. Answer them as a response to this post, if you would be so very nice. It will take 2 min max.

https://writer.inklestudios.com/stories/g363

Its a prototype for the quest events within the game. I am trying to see how this format works. Its in inklewriter since quest even itself didn't require special features and its easy to write in inklewriter.

>>181208025
>The fee is the reason it's no longer profitable
explain this properly. explain how shovelware business model has existed even on pre-digital game consoles days when development was extremely expensive and so were the fees.

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>>181208297
No, this was just for a gamejam. We are both interested in making short games for hobby practice, so even without being held to a jam, we're doing self-imposed time limits on future games. Me and him have both separately had past issues getting sucked into collab hobby projects that got way too bloated by somebody who was trying to make a magnum opus.

>>181208303
No normal maps, it's all just achieved with color maps. The grass for example had a cloth ambient occlusion overlay for the colors, which made it look like it does. Really simple and quick stuff.

I'm not sure what was changed on the shader; programmer said it was basically the toon shader. He may have changed line thickness or something.

Pic of how it looked on day 2 when it was real rough draft.

>>181208807
>[Kalev]: What the fuck! Are you in the shit-pit?
stop

>>181208846
>release game in stores
>has millions of eyes on it every day
>dumb parents buy it for their kids because neither party knows or even cares if it's bad
Wow it's almost like physical games released by professionals exist in different market conditions than digital releases developed by tiny teams on no budget

>>181208282
slice of life means the focus is on the lives of the characters without any typical dramatic structure of a proper plot. comedy is common since it fits the structure but it's comedy stems from character interactions/reactions and not all SoLs are comedies.

gag comedy follows a standard comedy format and typically involves jarring scene cuts so that it can be paced like a traditional standup comedy routine of SETUP->PUNCHLINE (repeat)

i think some anime/manga get labeled as SoL when theyre actually gag comedy (especially if they're shit gag comedies) so that might be a source of your confusion.

>>181208868
>cloth ambient occlusion overlay
Damn. I too am working with an artist and shader things are the only thing I haven't tried to get into yet.

>He may have changed line thickness or something.
Probably that, I don't recall the Unity native toon shader looking that good. Maybe I should give it another try since my artist like that shader.

>tfw ended my 5 or 6 day struggle with analog sticks because I found a typo
>a typo from when I copied and pasted my own code and forgot to change "horizontal" to "vertical"
but yay it works
now I just need to change how settings are set, because it turns out when vertical stick movement works properly, you just scroll right past the setting when you're trying to set it

>>181209168
>and not all SoLs are comedies.
So give me an example.
Galko is a SoL, youre just in denial because you realize your blanket hate for them is niave.

>>181209101
replace "store" with "steam digital storefront" or "ios appstore" etc and youre making my point for me, the conditions are exactly the same, fees didnt cure shovelware then, it doesnt cure it now.

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>>181199732
So, the issue was propagated by youtube tutorialists, and I think it originated in the yoyo forums originally. Like, EVERY single tutorial which targets novices uses this code almost verbatim. It's a method of collision detecting as follows:
*Logic to adjust hsp and vsp based on moving*

if(place_meeting(x+hsp, y, oBlock))
{
while(!place_meeting(x+sign(hsp), y, oBlock))
x+=sign(hsp);
hsp = 0;
}
if(place_meeting(x, y+vsp, oBlock))
while(!place_meeting(x, y+sign(vsp), oBlock))
y+=sign(vsp);
vsp = 0;
}

So it sees your dude would hit a solid horizontally, so it inches him forward one pixel at a time until it is flush with the wall. Then it lowers him vertically the same way. Which does not play well with diagonals at all. I've mentioned this problem several times over a long while on agdg (I've been in and out of here for 3ish years) but no one's been interested enough to discuss a better alternative.

pic unrelated.
>>181198520
I was very poor for a very long time. Must have missed it :/ Thankfully, I'm at a point now that dropping 100 to build my games is feasible.

>>181201074
I'll definitely take a look.

>>181204116
well obviously $100 isn't enough, I'd say $150-$250 (although honestly I'm not eager to see that because lolwageslave)

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>>181209348
>the conditions are exactly the same
Do you actually believe this?

>want to make hack&slash game but my controllers are broken in some way or another
>too poor to buy a new one

is it possible to set up good m+kb controls for this genre, or am i going to have to go buy an xbox controller

>>181205109
>>181205372
what the fuck do you even want?
if you want money or you want people to play your games you're going about it all fucking wrong, and that's without even getting into your content or themes

>>181209542
I don't know what "hack and slash" means these days, but if people can play DMC4 in the 95th percentile of players using KB+M then you can most definitely concoct a KB+M setup for your game.

>>181209542
>too poor to buy a new one
Just don't buy a sandwich for 3 or 4 days holy shit

>>181209542
People played and enjoyed dork souls on MKB, anything is possible.
But yeah, youre going to need a controller to playtest on.

>>181209542
Why wouldn't it be?

>>181209542
I knew a guy who loved DMC3 and only played it with his keyboard.
He was Chinese though so maybe white people can't do it.

>>181209258
Ambient occlusion is one of my favorite things. I use a generated AO map on the texture of almost any model to help add more natural shading as well.

As for the toon, I probably helped that I made sure to oil painting filter the most textures and make the colors on all the models bright. the big bushes for example and just a close up photo of a bush run through an oil painting filter like 5 times. The toon shader didn't do anything to it except add an outline. The soft textures matched well with the shader.

>>181208807
What did you like about this?
It's not terrible but not good either. Overall felt pretty neutral while reading it.
What annoyed you most?
The writing felt a bit immature and Riki in general
Did it feel like the characters had their own agency?
I guess Riki really likes to kill people and Daxum doesn't mind letting pirates on her ship?
Did you feel like you were in the shoes of main characer(Kalev)?
No

>>181209353
>(I've been in and out of here for 3ish years) but no one's been interested enough to discuss a better alternative.
Uh

Are you telling me you've been here for three years and in that time you couldn't concoct better collision code yourself, and that you expected people to solve such a trivial "issue" for you? That's so ridiculous I'm having trouble believing it, am I taking what you said the wrong way?

It's not even an "issue", it's code behaving precisely the way it should. You or the imaginary hypothetical person contending with this issue should use a different collision detection technique if you/they/he/whatever wants different results. Functions like place_meeting exist and you've been fumbling with diagonals for three years? No fucking way, man.

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>>181209284
if galko is SoL how come i know barely anything about the characters of that show? everything was always constructed to facilitate the comedy.
you can tell K-On! is a SoL because none of it's comedy has proper setups and just downright isnt funny if you're not an easily persuaded moeslave. SoL comedy is funny in the same way people say their freinds are funny.... you're only laughing because you like them, they're not being actually funny.

>>181210008
I'll try to talk to him about that. I absolutely have no idea on how to make things look cool so I can only try to code what he's asking me to do in the first place. I always thought of shaders as an artist thing.

Thanks for the suggestions anyway.

>>181210275
>how come i know barely anything about the characters of that show?
You learn a lot about each considering its a mini-series.
>K-On! is a SoL because none of it's comedy has proper setups and just downright isnt funny
You just hate moe.
And Galko wasnt funny for the jokes. It was funny for tho character interaction. Like certain genre were talking about.

>still no non-comedy SoL
hmm

>>181208846
"shovelware" is not one item, it's a spectrum, like your autism
the shovelware put out by LJN and the like is on another level than modern PC and smartphone shovelware
even most of the shovelware for the Wii was at least feature-complete
modern digitally-sold shovelware is shit that doesn't actually run on half the systems out there or has entire features missing or can't be completed or whatever, and that's what the term generally refers to nowadays

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>>181208934
>shit-pit
A specialized chamber carved right next to the leviathan's waste collector. Its purpose is to collect feces of people on board, in essence a toiler. Due to its location significantly below the creature's carapace it has come to be known as "the pit". More indigestible people have come to name it "the shit-pit", since it is a pit within one shits and it also rhythms with itself too.

would you preferred if they pooed in the loo, in a poo-loo?

>>181210627
Oh i had no idea that was you.
I guess it makes more sense. But i dont know, i just hate hearing common slang in my sci-fi. And two swears back to back is just bad.

>>181209393
you've explained an aspect of my point.
shovelware does not exist in a vacuum. shovelware is a percentage of the entire market it is in competition with.
on consoles there was less shovelware as an absolute value but percentage wise it was more or less the same as steam now.
if you bump up fees you lower the absolute shovelware the same as you lower the absolute non-shovelware but will maintain the percentage, less shovelware simply because they have less to compete with requiring less market saturation.
>>181209486 ^

the worst scenario possible would be to have a pump primed full of shovelware devs and then to start bumping up fees... the shovelware devs have to continue competing with each other as the real dev output plummets, the absolute rate of shovelware would fall but at a lower rate than real devs resulting in an overall boost of shovelware market percentage.
thats what has been going on in the appstores and is in the process of happening with steam.

>>181210530
>still no non-comedy SoL
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/SliceOfLife/AnimeAndManga

>>181210192
Well. I had no permanent residence for about a year in there. And I did come up with a few ideas, but I couldn't get them to work quite right. Because you can use trig to just do both at once, dial back on the line of travel, rather than x then y. . But yeah, I've been messing with making games a long time. There are long months I don't do anything. But if you want to call collision a trivial issue, I direct you to... any game? Watch the speed run and watch them clip the game to hell and skip to the credits, and come back at me with a "trivial issue." I have an interest in how people do it, like how they did it on games on the NES or Gameboy, algorithm wise.

And, as a point of order, I don't want anyone to "solve" it for me, it's an interest I have. I want to know what people have done and what are good ways to do it.

So no I haven't been "fumbling with diagonals" for 3 years, I've been trying a lot of stuff on and off as a hobby while I try to get my life together. Because this is a hobby I have and something I enjoy tinkering with and talking about. Google turns up the same novice bullshit, or suggests some awkward snap to tile alternative that doesn't work well for how I like things to feel. So, I apologize for wanting to hear what people who share my hobby have to say on the issue.

>>181210772
>But i dont know, i just hate hearing common slang in my sci-fi.
"shit pit" isn't exactly the type of slang that could only feasibly occur exclusively at a singular point in history, and people aren't gonna stop cursing or using phrases like "shit pit" just because time has advanced an arbitrary amount

also I wouldn't call "shit pit" "common slang", and my family and friends can cuss with the best of them so it's not like I wouldn't have heard it because of the company I keep

>>181210997
Thats not a specific example.
Boy googs, for having such """"""""eclectic""""""""""" """taste""" in everything, you sure are coming off like a massive, tasteless, pleb.

>>181210118
>What annoyed you most?
>Riki in general
that is good, exactly what I wanted
>writing felt a bit immature
that is not good. could you bring out an example(besides Riki)?

>Did it feel like the characters had their own agency?
>I guess Riki really likes to kill people
okay, that's unintended
>Daxum doesn't mind letting pirates on her ship?
she's kinda pussy and a few worded one at that. hopefully its more evident across more quests.

>Did you feel like you were in the shoes of main characer(Kalev)?
>no
Main character handling will need an improvement.

Thank you for you feedback. It was really useful for me.

>>181210605
>modern digitally-sold shovelware is shit that doesn't actually run on half the systems out there or has entire features missing or can't be completed or whatever, and that's what the term generally refers to nowadays
But it's still important to remember that, despite gogem's earlier claim, the term shovelware doesn't exclusively apply to abandoned early access titles and asset flips. It still applies to garbage like Wii Sports clones, every movie tie-in not titled Spiderman 2, and the works of Ryan Lambourn.

>>181210892
>if you bump up fees you lower the absolute shovelware the same as you lower the absolute non-shovelware but will maintain the percentage,
You're implying a small deposit returned after you've sold 50-100 copies will scare off serious developers as much as Pajeets making trash on purpose. You're also missing that a significant portion of Steam shovelware was released to take advantage of trading cards, which is no longer profitable because of the per-game fee.

Passionate devs will pay $100 to release their game even if they don't think it will sell 100 copies, which is an amazingly low bar anyway. Pajeet will not pay that because he isn't expressing himself or reaching out to a niche audience, he's trying to make easy money and that's now impossible.

Besides that, for developers who haven't already released a game on Steam, this is actually an improvement. The fee is the same but now you get it returned to you after you've made a few sales.

For the record, you very clearly fall into the Pajeet category, which you've made disgustingly obvious by endlessly crying about this fee and about Steam not allowing Patreon links in-game.

>>181211154
>also I wouldn't call "shit pit" "common slang"
ive heard people refer to the toilet as this.

Besides that though, good dialogue is hard. Just think about if the flow and exchange would really make sense.

>>181210892
>bumping up fees
Doesn't that depend on the type of fee? Yes a higher yearly fee would pressure shitDevs to release more trash but a sufficiently-high submission fee would kill off the entire shovelware market because now every game is a potential money-drain.

>>181211162
>Thats not a specific example.
it's a list of many examples
click the first example, there you go... specific

>>181211251
>You're implying a small deposit returned after you've sold 50-100 copies will scare off serious developers as much as Pajeets making trash on purpose.
there is so much wrong in this one sentence it's ridiculous.
-yes, a small barrier can have a huge effect. if you are a game developer you should be fully aware of this already.
-no, serious developers will not be scared off as much as shovelware developers... they will be scared off MORE because a serious small/new developer does not think of releasing games like a business in the same way that a shovelware developer does.
-pajeets are the ones that make the reskins, they are not the ones that own those games or pay the fees, you can thank white guys for that... you have a really fucking dumb assumption of how shovelware works.

>>181211212
>she's kinda pussy and a few worded one at that.
Her decision still doesn't make sense, did she really expect that the pirates would come on board, look around a bit and then just go back after they found nothing of value? This kind of wishful thinking is usually limited to poorly-written characters in horror movies that "want to talk things out" with the monster/murderer.

>>181211639
ill watch it then.

>>181210772
>But i dont know, i just hate hearing common slang in my sci-fi.
My reasoning is that these characters are just regular people outside corporate environment. And some people tend to swear in casual situations - some do it excessively. Also, I want to differentiate my writing from the neutered and safe style (according my ass) of regular VN's.

>And two swears back to back is just bad.
To be honest, I am taking this from my experience in military service. People from all walks of life - almost everyone preferring to be somewhere else - little civilian comforts and the most reliable way to kill time is to banter as creatively as possible with everyone else. Those dudes in the story are in an analogous situation, so I made them banter aswell.

>>181211342
>Yes a higher yearly fee would pressure shitDevs to release more trash
how is that pressure for more releases?
if the market were a vacuum where that single shovelware dev has no one to compete with but themself, what fee structure would cause them to put out more games? in a vacuum each new release they make end up competing with their own previous releases, there is no reason to make anything new in this scenario and it doesnt matter how you change the fees.

>>181211127
You sound a lot like me. I am the guy who suggested the LAN Platform tutorial. Here is a very interesting read related to that.
https://www.yoyogames.com/blog/46/an-introduction-to-binary
From yoyogames themselves
>Currently GameMaker devs use the frankly horrible command place_free(), and then when a collision is found, trying to slowly move the object out by either looping around an x—or y—(or something) while continuing to execute that horrible command, or by using the move_outside_all() command (which does this anyway. Take a look at my blog on precise collision and think about just how much CPU time you burn when doing this.

It's interesting how little this technique is actually discussed. It is deceptively simple to implement, and if you are interested in old GB, NES or SMS programming, you will find this is VERY similar to how collisions are implemented on those platforms.

>>181211327
character dialogue and its flow is a secondary interest right now
current objective is to get the quest system to mesh with the desired RPG'ness of the game

>>181212046
>character dialogue and its flow is a secondary interest right now
Bad characters in an RPG make it a trudge.
The writing is just as important as the gameplay.

>>181211903
I'll have to look more into that. I'm just not sure how to get slopes or moving platforms working with that tile based collision. I'd love to hear what methods the sonic or mario 3 devs used. I'm guessing a lot of clever trig.

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ok so planes are pretty much in, what next? and don't forget to donate to my hottub fund.

>>181211860
That line of thinking implies that the dev sees actual value in his game and doesn't just try to get a few random sales here and there.
If someone makes a living by spamming games on steam than his solution to higher fees/lower income would be to release more games.

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>>181211639
Nobody who is serious about getting their game to the world via the single biggest digital distribution platform will be scared off by "if I don't get 100 sales I won't get my $100 deposit back."
Especially since the previous system was "you will not get your $100 back ever because it's a fee, not a deposit."

>but that wasn't per-game
This literally does not matter to someone releasing their first game, unless they're a shoveldev like you.

>>181212110
>interpreting "that's not what I'm working on right now" as "I don't care about that thing" so that you can be sanctimonious about what he should or should not care about at any given moment

>>181212372
>If someone makes a living by spamming games on steam than his solution to higher fees/lower income would be to release more games.
yeah thats my point, it works inversely too though.
if a shovelware dev has 100% of the marketshare then they have no monetary incentive to make anything more. a serious dev will continue making games anyways because they have interests beyond money.

>tfw googem, his shovelware and people like him was the reason Valve changed the system

Feels Amazing Man

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sorry wrong pic.
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>>181211705
>did she really expect that the pirates would come on board, look around a bit and then just go back after they found nothing of value?
umm, yea

I think that this is more of an exposition problem. Half the world is effectively neo-feudal and the rest is anarcho-capitalist and enterprising people are setting up "tolling stations" along the minimally inhabited trade routes. Kinda like the medieval Fur road from Baltic to Black sea, where many people along the riverway asked for toll from passers by. What or how much they asked for toll, was entirely up to them. Also the robber barons of Mediaval Germany fit in here. Those toll stations were generally smart enough to not rob people naked, since the tolls would dry up pretty quickly that way.

That kind of "robber baron" phenomenon is common in their world(especially in Daxum's home world) and there is already an unspoken code of conduct, where people are expected to comply with regional authorities or go back the way they came. So, from Daxum's perspective, inviting them on board was common sense.

My mistake: Daxum should have given a sneaky exposition on barons and tolls.

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>>181212586
>tfw you have passion for your art and you're not part of the shovelware epidemic

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>>181212629
see if this gets through.....

>>181211860
>what fee structure would cause them to put out more games?
A fee structure not dependent on number of releases, whether it's a one-time fee or an annual recurring fee. This means you can release genuine garbage and as long as you make a lot of it, and make a little money on each one, you'll come out ahead.

>>181212372
If there's a per-game fee that makes truly heinous titles like Slaughtering Grounds or Social Interaction Trainer into guaranteed losses, the shoveldev is required to either find a new market or reduce quantity and try to make more money on fewer titles, since quantity alone can only result in losses.