/civ4xg/ - Stellaris, Endless, Civilization and 4X Games General

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>>181063108

1st for Riftborn bullying and nice tags fuckboi even Spiderfag is better than you

How does one stop blobbing in Stellaris?

>>181063228
no dubs on /vg/ you dumb shit

>>181063228
Need to fix the dubs/trips thing friend.
Pls anything but Lumeris and Sophons.

>>181063340
Last time I played blob is everything, so be the bigger blob I guess.

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>>181063238
Please do not bully the Riftborn.

What can you guys can tell me about Aurora 4x?

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>>181063520

>>181063663
I really hope you like looking at a shit ton of data.

>>181063776
>tfw riftborn about to bully horatio
I shall avenge.

>>181063520
Riftborn is for hug.

>>181063108
>tags still missing
You're a moron and a faggot.

>>181063951
Riftborn is for fug

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>>181063951
>>181064336

>>181064448
fug is about dominance, if you hug you show weakness and lessen your dominant position

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>>181018282
Would be cool if you showed your math.


Seems like focusing planets for research is better for me with my modifiers.
While minerals is slightly worse.
Going for tiles with minerals have the problem with sectors though where you make a multiplicative 25% loss.

Planet focused minerals would have the additional benefit of making more use out of processing plants, they're only worth it if you produce enough so I discounted them.


This was just for tile yields of 1.
I probably should be more careful of putting mines on research tiles with 2 yields though.

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>people who play Civ with yield icons on

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>>181066000
>people who play civ

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>>181063776

In ES2, how do Carriers compare to medium attack ships? Are they worth it?

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>>181066084
>people who play

>>181066281
Yes. They get a lot more out of the+% damage boosts, and have good buffer Health to survive while they murder the enemy. Two hunters at half health is one Hunter. One battle ship at half health is still one battleship.

>>181066281
They are better, but usually problem with them is that unupgraded carrier is less efficient (cost/benefit) than upgraded hunter. Thus you need upgraded carriers to justify their use if you are playing military heavy game, and for that you need T3 resources, and for that you need T5 tech.

I think they really fucked up by moving T3 resources to T5 from T4, as it is in EL.

When do you usually sector planets? I haven't played since early Stellaris when sector AI fucked up everything building all the shitty buildings before those were streamlined, so I'm pretty leery now of sectoring especially with the massive planet limit now.

Is it a good strategy to fully develop the planets yourself before offloading to make some planet limit room or can the AI safely handle them now?

>>181065320
t. Zelevas

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Where is the stupid fuck who was arguing the Vodyanis are balanced ?

>>181066970
>Is it a good strategy to fully develop the planets yourself before offloading to make some planet limit room
I believe it is suboptimal, but it works for me on standard difficulty.

I have a core limit of 16 now with repeatable techs. I keep mineral and energy worlds among my core to avoid the 25% loss of resources.
My research sector is so huge now that I could probably add an energy world to it just to power it. Instead of manually adding energy credits to that sector.

>>181067562
I didn't know anyone was arguing the Vodyani are balanced, but if you were taking someone talking about having rough early games as the Vodyani then here I am.
I probably just suck but it feels pretty hard to get started.
Don't feel like playing them again until that one ability gets nerfed though.

Can someone explain to me what exactly is in the civ 6 digital delux edition?

Does it just come with all the DLC civs?

>>181068000
>all the DLC civs
Ha, you wish. Only 2 of them.

>>181067675
I should add, the reason why I ask is because I plan on expanding by annexing big chunks of my neighbours so I'd prefer to keep plenty of limit room to avoid penalties when I do. Is there a better way to do this?

>>181068095
Why would Firaxis do this?

>>181068343
>devs
>having input in how DLC is managed
lmao

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>tagfaggot crying again
Please, OP, never use tags again, it's great.

So I guess I should just wait a year until Civ 6 gets a complete edition or just gets even cheaper?

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h-how about them cravers

>>181070221
Those are peaceful warships. Cravers are a species of peaceful insects

What are the differences between Tropico 4 and Tropico 5? I tried Tropico 4 after Tropico 3, they were pretty similar.

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>>181070221
how about them pirates.

>>181070351
They're clearly refugees fleeing from the Craver terrorists.

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>>181069921
I'd pirate it, it's not worth more than 20 bux right now as is.Not like there's some big multiplayer scene you're missing out on with it. Most of those type of Civheads went back to 5 for the time being.

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>>181070492
>>181070351
>>181070221
Nonsense. Clearly, these are humanitarian ships sent To Serve Man for dinner.

>>181070593
>Most of those type of Civheads went back to 5 for the time being.
What was the reason for that?

Saw that an nqmod was made very early for civ6, and it immediately had a tech penalty based on #cities so people could keep going 4city tall

>>181070651
I really like the cravers design if only for the fact that they use their second set of arms for a different purpose than their first set.
Makes it really neat.

>>181070836
>that picture of the craver two handing a heavy gun and using a pistol in his free hand
Baller as fuck

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>>181070836

>>181071840
>tfw craver prime skin doesn't extend to craver heroes
JUST

>>181070836
No, they use them for the exact same thing. To kill.

>>181072469
No, they're also for suffering.

"""""""yoshi"""""""

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>I SPEAK ON THE BEHALF OF THE FOUR FAMILIES...

Just kidding, game is shit. Go play stellaris instead.

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ES1 was mostly bright and cheerful.

ES2 is very dark, some of the art & lore is very much space horror genre. Are you happy with this change?

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>>181072825
reminder: being a frog, those "tits" are probably air bladders or egg sacs or something .

>>181072863
Don't see why I wouldn't be, considering ES1 never really had an overarching story.
Hell best I can remember ES1 didn't even have quests.

>>181073490

The only way to be sure is having them squeezed really hard against the face.

>>181073490
She's an alien.
Not a frog.

>>181073760
>>181073490
She was a frog, but a frog in the Endless galaxy and Dust is everywhere and everything dust touches becomes humanoid.

>>181074597
Like in Kemono Friends?

>>181074597
>She was a frog
Her species didn't start on Jenes, but a frog species from earth were planted there and turned into the lumeris?

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>>181073760
Anphibian, whatever, says so in the flavor text.
>>181074597
Those are sacs full of eggs, if they're that big they probably are seething and crawling with squirming tadpoles.Just becoming humanoid doesn't give you milk making jugs.

>>181074916
>Anphibian, whatever, says so in the flavor text.
Still an alien and can't rely on superficially similar species on earth for information.
Saying those tits are air bladders or egg sacs is just dumb.

>>181074783
More or less. Look at the Vodyani, generic grey ayylamos turned into perfect humanoid female (suits) after excessive dust use.

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>>181075079
Less dumb than thinking a non-mammal has tits desu lad

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>>181075772
No it is on the same level of dumb to think they are mammary glands specifically.

And of course they're not mammals, they're aliens.

>>181075614
presumably the endless were humanoid

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In any world where platypi exist you have no right to say that mammals/reptiles/fish are allowed or not to have anything.

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>>181076356
He is a mammal so it's fine if he has tits.

>>181076356
I always love the fact that they're such fucking weird looking little cunts that people thought they were a hoax originally.

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Jesus Christ.
I guess nonstop warfare will do that to you, but what can you do when your neighbors decide to backstab you just after you made fucking cravers beg?

Are the units in Civ 6 different for each civ? Like, a western civ gets a plate mail warrior but a japonese civ gets a samurai looking warrior.

>>181078915
It's pretty hard to keep any party but the Mils in power if you war very much at all.
Doesn't seem like the AI differentiates between off and def wars for such purposes.

are you ever supposed to have enough strat resources in ES2

when a single medium ship can cost 25 of one resource, you run out real quick

>>181079186
I think the influence from ship construction and battles should be toned down maybe, since you have to do that anyway in self defense, even if you're mainly pacifist.

>>181082348
Use techs to get more income.

>>181082348
You can get up to a +4 per deposit bonus before you even reach T4 economy, and their total industry cost is under 2k. Its not that hard to make sure you have plenty.
How many deposits do you have in your empire?

>playing trees
>pirates start fucking with my vineships
>build some basic ships to get them to fuck off
>suddenly half my home planet is militarist
what the heck

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>>181084608
>Playing with pirates on.

>>181084787
Yeah, how dare people not play exactly like you! How dare they have fun!

>>181085070
>pirates
>fun
They literally only affect the player. They're just annoying

>>181085070
I find pirates far from fun my friend, but whatever suits you.

>>181085368
>They literally only affect the player.
do they really?
what the fuck

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So anons, how are your entrepreneuring trading companies faring?

>>181085472
Of course they do ;)
Why would anyone on the internet lie?

>>181085771
>smileposting

>>181087285
I'm not good enough to draw a shit in ASCII

>>181087285
are you triggered :^)

>tfw considering joining a federation where 3/4 empires are xenophiles while I'm a xenophobic isolationist because I'm spooked by an awakened empire

so much for the dream of creating a federation of just likeminded peaceful racists

>>181063228
Rolling

>>181088440
ffs im not playing Vody again

>>181088292
Insult the AE and immediatly join the federation.

>>181063228
>99/0: Reroll
>0: Reroll
Are you genuinely retarded my dude?

>>181084221
Even when I'm getting like 20 a turn, it's not enough to fight a war the way I would like. I'm forced to make ships that use generic weapons.

boomp

How does FTL Inhibitors work? If a fleet enters that system they appear by that station?

>>181088867
I'd say you should get your generation techs sooner then, so that you have a good amount stockpiled when war comes and you're able to churn out what you need when you need it.
What do you mean by "the way I would like"? What's your fighting strategy?

There's currently a leecher orbiting a system I have colonized where there's a wrecked ark. I currently have a fleet orbiting the system blockading it.
If I take off that fleet to go do something else, is that little fucker going to be able to just reclaim it even if it's on my own colony?

>>181090567
>What do you mean by "the way I would like"? What's your fighting strategy?
I just want enough fleets to cover every potential threat and go on the offensive at the same time

>>181090762
why don't you just kill the leecher

Is Master of Orion 1 still the best space 4X?
Is Master of Magic still the best fantasy 4X?

>>181090763
Having a stockpile going beforehand should help you with that, I'd say.
Unless you're trying to defend 10 or so systems at which point I don't know how I can help you do that outside of yeah just generic ships.
Now if you want to improve the quality of your generic ships, I'd recommend exploring ruins early on.
The loot you get from them is actually pretty good, and the weapons that you get aren't too far off from their Titanium and Hyperium counterparts.
Now don't get me wrong, the strategic weapons are still better, but the ruins weapons aren't AS bad as the basic ones you get from tech.

>>181082872
Why wouldn't militarists come to prominence in any society on the defensive?

>>181091775
>Is Master of Magic still the best fantasy 4X?
Yes
>Is Master of Orion 1 still the best space 4X?
They made a sequel

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>Finally get T4 curiosity finding.
>Explore the ruins and life forms in my system.
>They all get discovered in one turn.
>Finally discover T3 luxuries for the first time.
>"Oh that's neat I wonder what bonuses they provide."
>...
What in the fucking fuck.

>>181093346
They're pretty good.

>>181093818
I expected them to be good but this is fucking ludicrous.
Hell this probably makes the T4 curiosity level one of the best techs to get in the game.

>>181094061
It is. Get curious and explore all that you can.

>>181094061
That's assuming you actually get the good ones, you could get the shitty influence one

>>181094432
I did, but only one planet. I have both the science and industry ones in abundance thanks to trading companies.
Plus the influence one isn't terrible if you feel like spreading your culture across the entire galaxy in five turns.

I hope they'll eventually add a Concrete Endless hero

>>181095537
The Amoeba count in an extremely technical sense, but I don't know if concretes were able to immortalize themselves as well as the virtuals did.

>>181095798
they would just need to make up some nonsense about cryogenic preservation or whatever

Holy fuck why are these threads so dead?

>>181098445
only like 12 people bought ES2 and stellaris is shit, so we have nothing to discuss

>>181098445
Not alot to talk about.

>>181098705
>>181098624
>nothing to discuss
There's a sale going on usually that brings in a bunch of people. Unless it meant all the regulars here bought new games and don't have time for civ4xg anymore.

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>>181098445
bro do you wanna look at my elves?

>>181098870
So I guess you're gonna benefit a lot from that gene template update whenever that hits, if you keep doing your elf thing.

>>181098870
So many elves...

>>181098870
>elf
>superior

>>181098870
Like to see Morgoth exterminate the Sindar now

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>>181098445
Wanna talk about T3 luxuries?

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This looks neat.

>>181098445
Wanna talk about our lord and savior, Torin the Chosen?

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>The diplomatic name and Zelevas's outfit changes entirely based on what his quest chooses.
That's actually really damn neat.

>>181104195
what's his new diplomatic name?

>>181090174
In stellaris? Yeah, the magnet icon should be pretty self-explanatory.

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>>181066315
>people

>>181106863
Many different ways a fleet could be pulled towards it.

Like if a fleet entered an adjacent system it had to go to that system because of the inhibitor.

>>181106298
Sheredyn.
His icon changed and everything.
Just a nice touch to the faction quest.

>>181070473
>What are the differences between Tropico 4 and Tropico 5? I tried Tropico 4 after Tropico 3, they were pretty similar.
They changed a lot, pay/rent is now 1-4 "dollar" icons instead of setting it manually, game now takes place in different "eras", from early colonial era, to 19th century, to early 20th, to 50's to modern.

I didn't like how much it changed.

>>181106863
>>181107313
Would love a version of the interdictor that prevented jumping to anything but the interdictor system.

Along with a way to continue to improve defensive stations so they're a challenge to fight. I'd like to make my own enigmatic fortress.

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GIBE RIGHTS

>>181111532
Get purged tin cans.

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>>181111532
>Materialists

>>181073490
I don't really care what they're full of so long as she'll let me thrust my dick between them.
Well, OK, I might care if they're full of dick poison

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>>181111865
>>181111897
I'M NOT FUCKING AROUND

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>>181111970
>disassemble

>>181111970
>deny rights

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>>181112254
Don't make me bully you.

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>>181112254
>2
Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get crazy here.

>>181112254
>3 Planets
What do you anons think is up with that, they must have some bonus for having so few planets. Not even Materialist FEs have so few planets.

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>>181112254
>Opinion: Berserk

>>181112254
[X] Insult

>>181113046
>>3 Planets
>What do you anons think is up with that, they must have some bonus for having so few planets. Not even Materialist FEs have so few planets.

It'll be 3 sections of a ringworld. Fourth section will probably be kill.

I once had a materialist FE that had 3 ringworlds. One that was up and running but filled with "ancient ruins" tile blockers, a second which had 3 broken sections and 1 working section (again, tile blockers), and a 3rd completely destroyed ringworld.

If I cared enough after defeating that empire to have kept playing I would've been able to repair them which would have been 30 tiles.

Funnily enough though, the Master of Nature ascension perk lets you clean up Ancient Ruins for free. So after a few minutes I still had 125 tiles of perfect habitability, sprinkled liberally with OP Fallen Empire buildings.

>>181113094
>>Opinion: Berserk
I wonder if it will eat you, or just forcibly try to vassalise every empire in the galaxy.

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>Start first game
>Played as self hugging trees
>Getting into that peaceful groove
>Start producing a stupidly large amount of pink stars
>Buy out all minor factions around me
>Empire is filled with Kalgero, haroshem, hissho, tikanan, niris, and bhagaba
>Late game my Ally Sophons was like "Man, I'm sick of these Green space Jew Mobsters better star a war with both of the factions"
>I'm like "Well shit, my ships are mostly shit and all I really got going for me is a stupidly large man power to pull from
>Barely got to the Lumeris homeworld
>Think "This is a shit show welp better just fuck up their shit as best as I can"
>Mfw invasion began and my stupidly large army just blitz over the enemy without any mech or air support

I'm now stuck in a cycle of just mass producing the cheapest ships I can make and filling them with as many soldiers as I can possibly can as my military now. How the hell do I get good at space battle again?

>playing stellaris
>finally managed to get a ruler with both +10% to mineral production and +10% to energy credit production AND a +10% energy production agenda
>just in time for me to unlock engineered evolution so I can give my entire species the Venerable trait

>>181114420
Except you can't put genetic traits onto existing leaders.

Next batch of leaders will have venerable.

> got a big project to finish at work
> gotta get Voight-Kampf achievement before Stellaris 1.8 hits because Wiz will definately break it forever with the AI Crisis rework
Well guess its no sleep for me

>>181112254
> Invite to Federation

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Why does he need so many?

endless space 2:

Is there a mod to remove the voidanyi hero that has the bullshit +4fidsi * population * hero level skill? THat skill is such bullshit....I've basically just put that hero in a system near the center of the galaxy and he ends up having an influence bubble of the whole damn map.

Also is there a way to fucking remove cravers from the game? Way to fucking powerful.
>Don't care about map size
>don't care about happiness
>get 50% fidsi boost when it matters most
>can force people the conquer to also give the +50% bonus
>cheap ships, big fleets.

There is no way to win against them in multiplayer if anyone has any idea what they are doing. You simply can't engage with them in any way and come out on top. Everything they touch gets ruined, and everyone they touch loses more than they do.

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I'm so bad at this game, or rather the difficulty curves suck and the AI is allowed far too much advancement in science if you aren't totally focused on science, I had no chance to capture his cities at any point

>>181117097
so is there anything preventing cravers from just using other factions pops as slaves exclusively and ignoring depletion?

>>181116115
>getting achievements
Now that is the kind of autism I just can't understand.

>>181109296
>pay/rent is now 1-4 "dollar" icons instead of setting it manually
I understand the rest, but this boggles me.

>>181063340
Bigger blobs. Stop using things that aren't the default corvette.

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>>181120457
Top right, under "Budget", the dollar icons determine the pay/cost of a job/service. Instead of paying workers 20$ you click on the 3rd or 4th dollar icon to give them "wealthy" pay.

Otherwise, Tropico 5 was fine. I just really hated that change.

>>181121205
Ha, so you can't pick it directly.

>>181120369
I used to not care about cheevos either, but in Stellaris' case there's no other way of obtaining a feeling of accomplishment from the game. Since every playthrough feels identical and the RP is so shallow, I have little alternate recourse.

>>181109875
>Would love a version of the interdictor that prevented jumping to anything but the interdictor system.
It would be overpowered against the AI.
I'd just build a small station with just that thing in every uninhabitated system in my empire to force enemy fleets into the anti-webway

>>181109875
This is my main issue with defensive structures. They are basically useless at defending key areas. They provide nice buffs and debuffs to fleets in the system, which can be very useful defensively if you want to take on a much larger force under more favorable conditions, but Stellaris needs defensive options like SoSE has, where you can make systems that require a massive and very specifically designed fleet to even have a chance of breaking through.

How do I get to be capable of using tech to bargain with other empires in ES2? Is there a tech for it?

Where do I download all dlc+updates for civ6?

Is it possible to extend the range of celestial vines? I dont have range on any other systems outside my constellation except for the Cravers' home system

>>181123875
There's always that uninstall button. Clicking it gives you the ultimate feeling of accomplishment.

this kind of thing makes me wish we could use dust/influence to manipulate the elections in other empires.

>>181128134
was meant for >>181127846

>>181119219
The pop gives -5 happiness 3 each, so they will eventually starve. There are no uprisings for them.

>>181070473
>>181109296
>>181120457
>>181121205
Hello, this is 4X thread. Please do not discuss non-4X games in the 4X thread.
Thank you.

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It's sad how lacking War for the Overworld is. It really had potential, but it's too limited.

I had about 90 hours of fun with ES2 but I think I am ready to move on.

How is Stellaris?

>>181129806
Play Distant Worlds Universe instead.

>>181129806
shit.

>>181129837
also shit

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https://forum.paradoxplaza.com/forum/index.php?threads/stellaris-dev-diary-75-fallen-machine-empire.1032960/

New dev diary.

>>181129970
Nobody care, Wiz.

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>>181129970
>the new synthetic FE is gonna be DLC
as expected of the eternal swede

>>181130186
Don't post Megumin.

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>>181130279
Don't try to divert attention away from you being a huge jew and shitting out DLC while the base game is still in shambles, Wiz.

>>181130186
>>181130396
saved your flat lollies

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>>181130396
Fine.

>>181129970
>making keepers of knowledge spawn with gaia worlds instead of ringworlds
lame

>>181129970
If Paradox could sell patches, they would.

>>181131225
But anon, you might end up too powerful with all their ringworlds! I'm sure you need them when you're so far into lategame that you can beat an FE and steal all their shit!

>>181131391
They already do

>>181131391
That's what happens when you only sell a game for like...$40. You need a way to keep leeching money off it because programmers are really expensive.

I think the price point for these 4x games is way too low. The complex mechanics take a lot of hours of testing or theorycraft, which is done by programmers and not artists, so even though things don't look as pretty they are still very expensive.

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Frenchies posted a cover for another ES2 comic

>>181132792
oh boy I bet these "stories" are as exciting as the game!

>>181132878
Thanks for the (you)

Where is the code for system automation in endless space 2? I want to fix it.

Also, where is the code for the AIs behavior in general?

>>181131391
They always did that, just look at EU3.

>>181114259
>How the hell do I get good at space battle again?
If you haven't specialized your ships yet the best thing you can do is scout out what your opponent is using and itemize against it.
A lot of the AI really like using missiles, so ballistics are pretty reliable.

>>181132792
>Riftborn
Aw hell yeah.

>playing Cultists against a friend in EL for the first time
>spawn in Space Australia, spend first 100 turns conquering every minor empire around me
>separated from every other Faction by a tiny 1-tile landbridge and a dozen pissed off pirate ships
Just hit Era III and am about to start spreading my message of peace. Cultists are stupid fun, thanks to that anon who posted a big rundown on how to play them several threads back.

>>181135691
Do you happen to have that rundown saved? I could never play cultists right, I always got my ass kicked. Sounds like you got an amazing start though

>>181114259
The "best" ES fleet is usually composed of hunters and defenders. The hunter gets medium sized weapons, and weapon support mods to make them hit harder. The defender can carry support modules like "fleet shield" and "fleet move" without paying extra. Carriers usually don't enter the game until super super late and aren't seen too often.

General tips: Shooting between lanes is always at long range.

each lane starts the battle at the furthest that you and the enemy select, then move 1 step closer to the closest that you have selected.

If you choose:
>long
>medium
>Short

and they chose
>short
>long
>short

Then the ranges of the battle will be:
>long, medium, short
>long, medium, medium
>short, short short

In terms of weapons: Long missiles are really good, but if they stack kinetics then you fucked.
Long lasers are good but lose to long missiles
Long kinetics lose to lasers, but win against missiles
Short beams could do double the damage they do now and would still be useless.

Support modules: Fleet move is important, fleet repair after each phase is OP with bigger ships, and fleet shields is great because you can then just equip armor defense modules.

My favorite load-out:
Hunter: Long lasers, kinetic armor, +% damage support
Defender: long kinetic, kinetic armor, (+fleet move, + fleet repair, + fleet shield) support.

2 hunters and 4 defenders is 10 fleet capacity, which is usually all I need until super late game.

Also: Always ditch infantry and use tanks a soon as possible. Once an enemy gets planes then go for 2/3 tanks and 1/3rd infantry.

>>181114259
>>181136248
PS: I often stack my forces in the middle lane only. the enemy gets some moral bonuses, but you focus fire better, the fleet shields work better, and you are always at long range to anyone not in the middle lane.

>>181136369
So an enemy ship in a different lane with stacked beams is useless for the entire battle even when they would have closed the distance?

>there are people who bought stellaris
>there are people who bought the dlcs

>>181136494
pretty much; using full beams is a complete mistake

at most you should use like one or two on ships to punish someone who goes for constant close-range kinetics

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>>181136796

Been playing EL a bit since i bought it yesterday, should I split my starting units at the beginning to explore as much as I can?

>>181137412
depends on your faction; usually you will definitely want to, though cultists are a large exception; the benefits of more efficient exploration are outweighed by the risks of encountering a rival empire while you're still vulnerable
also, broken lords could use the extra dust that splitting your units into separate armies would eat up; it also makes beating up villages easier, which is a plus

>>181136797
Beams existing are a mistake. They should not be close range only.

>>181138473
they should be reverse-missiles as far as effective range goes, at least being useable in medium range would mean that they can at least fire into adjacent flotillas after they clear up their own lane

>>181138659
>medium range would mean that they can at least fire into adjacent flotillas after they clear up their own lane
Other lanes are always long range.

>>181138764
Beams were a mistake

Is the first endless space worth playing?

>>181140492
Not if you can afford the second or endless legends.

>>181135984
ya boi
>micromanage your pops every single turn
>keep your hero in the army and search ruins until he hits level 2, then stick him in the capitol and never let him leave; you should be levelling up his FIDS skills and aiming for the "city ignores winter's effects" trait at the top of the common tree
>always parley with minor factions, if you get a really shitty quest out of them bribe them; burning the village down is a last resort, since it doubles the influence cost for converting them
>if you see another faction's borders with your first scouting preachers, WALK AWAY. the last thing you want is for another faction to know you exist while you're vulnerable
>build up a home army as soon as you can to guarantee your safety; fanatics are pretty much just a placeholder frontline if you don't have enough good beefy minor faction units, preachers should be given magewands and paired up with units that have all around high stats, and nameless guard are your DPS core
>assimilation bonuses are IMPORTANT! the three you want most of all are kazanji (+% influence), erycis (+movement speed), and tetikes (+vision range)
>INFLUENCE PRODUCTION IS IMPORTANT! the rate at which you can expand to grab villages, providing you with armies to defend yourself and strike out against rivals, is entirely reliant on your influence production
>RESOURCE TECHS ARE IMPORTANT! your converted villages will leech resources from their home regions, but only if you have the relevant techs for it! this is how cultists get pretty much all of their resources
>if you have shadows, SPYING IS YOUR WORST ENEMY! get security-boosting traits on your hero and research security-boosting buildings; the two worst things that could happen to you outside of a siege are being forced to round up your 60+ population or getting your only city sabotaged!
>if you have tempest, keep in mind that you can convert fomorians, making you one of the better naval factions (still not as good as morgawr, though)

>>181137980
Does building a city district over an anomaly/resource make me lose the bonuses or it doesn't matter?

>>181140674
2/3
i play a lot of cultists; if you've got everything down pat, it might be worth looking at advanced strategies (I.E. fitting an army with camouflage to instantly raze the opponent's capitol while your converted hordes are engaging their main forces, or using privateer tech to raise hell with the enemy)
just never underestimate how vulnerable you are; spies, hidden armies, and sieges can VERY easily be the death of you, so make sure you get your hands on true sight early (jf you're playing against forgotten or real players, because otherwise AI won't use camo)

>how do I deal with defending converted Villages?
building up armies early to guard them, or simply expanding towards villages farther from the prying eyes of other players; the greatest early-game tool the cultists have is hiding themselves
fanatics are there purely for the situation where you don't have any actual villages yet: they're cheap frontliners with well-rounded stats that have good synergy with preachers' +10% to all stats buff
if you're running into the situation where the harassment is too bad, remember that you can garrison troops in villages to defend them
if you're drowning in influence or you're converting villages far from danger, there's no real downside to converting villages past the point where you can reliably protect them
even when you're close to other empires that you're at peace with or that aren't aggressive early on, it could be worthwhile to convert villages near them (though that is always risky)
as a rule, try to keep your villages separated from other factions by at least one region

>>181140772
No; City Centers only take away 1 Food yield from the tile; all owned tiles are considered Exploited. Usually you want to build off the Anomaly to get adjacent benefits though

>>181140931
So I can build a city district over some Rumbling Stones without fear of losing the Production ey?

>>181141078
yes.

>>181126842
Bump

>>181141372
Yep, is Perfect Negotiations I think.

>>181140815
3/3; these are just my experiences from the one game
>Pops should prioritize Influence > Dust > Science/Industry (depending on your current needs) >>> Food
>Dust is needed for your huge maintenance costs, as well as Bribing shitty villages. Burn Gold as much as possible to lower your maintenance costs.
>Prioritize techs that give +FIDS/Pop and +FIDS/Tile. Later on, early era+FIDS% become more valuable and quick to earn
>After you stick your Hero in the Governor slot, split up your preachers and start spreading wide. Use the garrison troops made after Converting to protect them, or Fanatics if you have early armies
>Buy an Infantry hero with high DPS ASAP, combine them with Nameless Guard and a Preacher for when you need a strike force
>Avoid the navy minor faction unless you start on the ocean or have high Movement to get a fast Conversion quest, Naval combat will wreck you
>Use the Influence side of the Empire plan to get +5 Movement in Era III (you should be getting maxed Plans from Influence, but this is super important
>Sell the automatic garrison troops in Villages that don't need immediate defenses for free cash
>Assimilating the Dorgeshi or Silics will help with a low-Resource starting point, but with your Dust production by midgame, purchasing everything from the Market is feasible

>>181140674
>>181140815
>>181142183
Thanks senpai

>>181141862
Ah, I was under the impression that this one was for forming alliances, maybe its both and thats what blinded me. Thanks a lot.

>>181102364
Damn, 200+ hours in EL and this is the first time I see the blade of overpowered bullshit.

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>>181129576
This is the 4X and allied genres general.

Step up or get out.

>>181129643
You'd best back up your bullshit with some arguments because them's fighting words!

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>>181132792
inb4 it's yet another story about murder & treachery.

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>>181129643
Dont worry, Dungeons 3 will save us

>>181144240
I got that game when they were giving it out for free and still feel ripped off.

does stellaris still allow you to stack up all your 1 fleet ships like mutalisks and beat more powerful fleets because you're not bound by the retarded wedge formation?

>>181132792
The Endless universe is quite interesting, they could really make a huge franchise out of it if they play their cards right. 4x games are too unapproachable so they could look into other mediums or even genres.

>>181143930
Okay.
>no real strategy, just have more creatures that you put in training or in the arena until they're all level 8
>if you lose your creatures, you're basically out of the game
>traps encourage defensive plays, turning multiplayer into a waiting game until someone attacks
>gold is either on short supplies or ridiculously easy to get
>maps are so fucking small you can't build a "real" dungeon and are stuck with 4x4 rooms, 6x6 if you're CURAZY
>monsters lack a bit in originality compared to Dungeon Kepper who had beetles, spiders, tentacles and even custom eating animations for all
>most characters are just voices
>to have a lot of creatures, you have to max out your portals incomes, your beast den income, and to torture everything
I remember complaining about how Age of Empires 2 had too many ressources, but War for the Overworld has too few ressources. And the sad part is that it's still an improvement over Dungeon Keeper 1, who only had gold, not even mana.

>>181144240
I remember trying the first one, it was a mess.

>>181144625
First game is garbage, but i do like second

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>go pacifist/spiritual/xenophobic
>kind and graceful but keeping everyone at an arm's length
>blob a third of the galaxy and basically never hurt anyone who doesn't hurt us first
>gain access to the shroud
>make the pact

>become fanatic purifiers

>>181144625
>>>no real strategy, just have more creatures that you put in training or in the arena until they're all level 8
Well used spells can turn the tide of battle.
>>if you lose your creatures, you're basically out of the game
As opposed to all the other RTS where you're still in the game after losing your army?
>>traps encourage defensive plays, turning multiplayer into a waiting game until someone attacks
You can always git gud and strike before he's turtled up to hell. Or tunnel through the backdoor because it's simply not feasible to have a full 360 defence.
>>gold is either on short supplies or ridiculously easy to get
Fair enough.
>>maps are so fucking small you can't build a "real" dungeon and are stuck with 4x4 rooms, 6x6 if you're CURAZY
There's an editor if you want to go big.
>>monsters lack a bit in originality compared to Dungeon Kepper who had beetles, spiders, tentacles and even custom eating animations for all
Fair enough.
>>most characters are just voices
?
>>to have a lot of creatures, you have to max out your portals incomes, your beast den income, and to torture everything
So? It's different from other RTS where you just queue up endless waves to spawn from the barracks.

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>>181144920

>>181144730
Never played the second.

>>181145073
>Well used spells can turn the tide of battle.
They can? I remember Dungeon Keeper 2 having a earthquake spell that was almost mandatory to break in, but I don't remember much in WftO. Except maybe the possession spell.
They do depend on the creatures you have. Even the best spells can't save you if your last creature is a level 1 succubus against a level 10 inquisitor.

>>181145073
>it's simply not feasible to have a full 360 defence
I disagree, it's always possible. There are some maps where the possible contacts points are limited to bridge, so it's possible for one player to put on an augron wall. By the way you pierced through it, he'll have his entire dungeon filled with traps.

>It's different
Different doesn't mean better. In Dungeon Keeper and WftO, it basically means that the entire battle is decided on one fight, and unlike other RTS where you can keep building your forces to replace the one falling, in these games, training takes so much time that once the victorious and well-fed armies come knocking on your door, your creatures have just reached level 2.

Unless you immediately build walls as soon as you start to lose the fight, but the game will already be settled, with all the gold being usually mined by now and the possible trasure shrine being in enemy territory.

They are still fun games, but they lack in depth.

Which features of ES2 would you expand on if you had the choice/chance?

I would personally go mainly for its diplomacy and do something about the post turn 70/80 gameplay when it often turns into "Press end turn until you win". For example, the AI figuring out you are about to win soon and starting to do whatever it can to prevent that be it via war or via collaboration to block your trade routes, remove your scientific agreements, and forge their own. Basically - everyone trying to screw the person who is the closest to a win so you always have to be on your toes when the win is near. Some hidden modifiers and AI that can't be bribed so easily would be great, too.

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>>181145774
>Which features of ES2 would you expand on if you had the choice/chance?
Even more focus on interactions with the population. Possibly tying in with the inevitable espionage expansion.

>>181145774

I think some of the main flaws are in the win conditions themselves.

I really like the more novel win conditions in Civ and Endless Legend which aren't just based on numbers, but are based on exploiting the weaknesses of enemies in various ways. Culture, Quest, Wonder, Domination, Space Race etc. are all neat conditions that require players to accomplish a somewhat complex goal that has you running around doing various things.

Win conditions in ES2 can often come down to stuff that feels like score, economy, population etc. Unless you're just going for dominance. Making it a lot clearer who's winning, and AI joining together to drag down anyone who starts getting too far ahead of the pack would definitely help but would still feel a little hollow sometimes.

>>181146050
Yeah, I'd like to see espionage and the capability to manipulate the elections of other empires or inspire revolts. For example, if a Vodyani is harassing you during cold war, but you do not want to deal with them by declaring war since you are already on another front, you can push their population towards Industrialism so that they lose their Righteous Fury law.

Another population interaction I'd love to see is losing pops to empires with larger influence since they pack up and migrate there. This would open up some strategies that involve building pop while focusing on influence and not on food. Or if you are playing an empire with comparatively shitty pops you could maintain low influence so that you send them over to take up pop space at your neighbor and manipulate their ideology.

>>181146162
Yes you pretty much know the exact way you are going to win based on the luxuries you find in the first 20 or so turns. There is little room for doing anything creative or making every game feel like an unique story that developed itself. I started disabling the academy quest too since it made everything even more formulaic.

>>181146686
If you want to RP and make up stories in your head, play Stellaris

>>181148284

>if you want something other than score victory, play stellaris

how about play one of the range of other 4x games out there that have more engaging victory conditions than ES/ES2, including the last 4x made by the same fucking company

>>181148567
Yes the last 4x that also has several DLCs expanding the mechanics, which makes it easier for you to make up RP stories.

>>181148284
It is not about an RP story, but rather about the story of your playthrough. Who you fought, what you had to do to defeat them, how you achieved victory in the end, etc. from player perspective, not an imaginary space emperor or whatever it is the game offers you the role of.

With ES2 this metanarrative is rather samey and stale, with every game panning out in a really formulaic way.

>>181148880
It makes for good AAR and Let's Play but terrible game.

>>181148880
>It is not about an RP story
>story of your playthrough
Don't mince words. Play stellaris and stop pushing this into every game you see. Endless game are heavily focused on mechanics, and a lot of players like it that way.
>Yes you pretty much know the exact way you are going to win based on the luxuries
This is good you understand, no? This means that world generation has significant impact on gameplay.

>>181149758
The mechanics lead to a particular playthrough that can be memorable and distinct, or samey and boring.I am not sure how you fail to understand that or differentiate it from the story narrative that pans out in the game. A game of chess lacks any narrative elements, but it still has a story based on the actions you and your opponent performed. I am not sure how you are failing to understand this basic concept.

>>181149153
I would recommend it at a sale since its worth a couple of runs to check out what it has to offer, but its definitely not worth full price yet neither from content, nor from performance side.

>>181148669

>RP

it's not even RP, what are you even talking about

it's about shallow game mechanics in relation to the game victory scenarios in ES2

>>181149758

Are you really this dense.

A fucking team game of some dumb shooter like overwatch has a 'story', a game of football has a fucking 'story'.

Civ games are NOT geared towards RP particularly more or less than ES games, ES games themselves have an issue with predictability and that's coming from someone who enjoys the mechanics early and mid game. But Civ games STILL manage to create a 'story'.

ES tends to end up very menial and predictable and the game victory conditions themselves are pretty bare bones, the only one that's not essentially score victory being Wonder or Domination.

They just need to bring the EL AI back. ES2 Endless ai is comparable to EL normal honestly. EL AI was hard as fuck

>>181150050
>memorable and distinct, or samey and boring
Arbitrary distinction. Purely arbitrary.
>fail to understand
If you have a point convey it better, but to me it sounds you just don't like it there for it needs changing in your mind.

>>181150073
>it's about shallow game mechanics in relation to the game victory scenarios in ES2
Victory scenarios are fine, conditions on those scenarios need fixing. They balance is all out of whack, with 3 being so laughably easy to achive it undermines ability of a game to fully play out as it were. Adding additional victory scenarios w/o adding additional mechanics would be largely pointless. The only one it lacks compared to EL right now is diplo win, and that one was never fun, just something for Drakken to do so they can feel like they aren't wasting time on diplomacy. The issue right now is that game ends abruptly w/o letting people play out their hand, and that's a balance issue, one that can't be solved by adding some asspulled VCs. The trade routes need a nerf, the science and wonder costs need to be increased 3 fold, possibly more, and so on. You can't solve a systematic issue via just slapping more systems on top of already existing ones.

>>181150272
>Are you really this dense.
Yes, yes more people blaming the listener for their own failure to convey their opinion in enough detail to warrant a discussion.
>ES tends to end up very menial
The hell do you mean by this for example?
>predictable
The guy that's doing best in the game winning it is not a downside, unless snowballing is out of hand, and that's, again, a balance issue.
>>181150840
Yeah, that's for sure.

>>181150840
>EL AI was hard as fuck


was it really? Maybe they fixed in in patches but when I played it, once you get past their early game they lose bad since they have no idea how to use their special units

>>181151159
It's not brillian or anything, it's army comps are still imperfect, but they are competent, and it plays to it's strenghts more often than not. Endless is still mostly about surviving early game, but not only about that, and AI is quite competent at using inflitration, unique faction mechanics, stealing pearls and the like.

>>181129576
Its been ages since it was merged with rts and city-building general my dude
Or was that /egg/

>>181151640
There is a number of newfags obsessed with limiting discussion to 4x and removing tags from OP. Pay them no mind.

>>181151351
This
It knows how to play its own game instead of just cheating stuff in
But its fucking bad in tactical combat and army composition

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Would Centaurs be useful to get as Roving Clans?

I haven't played a lot of 4x games, but it always seemed to me that the way to play them was to blob out, then win. Whether you blob out and win on research, or blob out and win on culture, or blob out and win on conquest is basically all the variation you're gonna get.

>>181152295
Not really. You already have cav, and their food bonus is meh.

>>181152664
One of the exes stands for expand, another for exploit, so I fail to see the issue you are having. Some games offer tall options, but it wouldn't be 4x w/o default position being wide.

>>181152664
yep, usually
expanding is creating your own land to blob, while exterminating is taking land to blob.
Blobbing is really half of the x'es.

The question is more when to blob and how to achieve it, unless you're doing a challenge, or you're playing one of the games that nerfs blobbing like the tech penalty in civ5bnw.
Even then blobbing is a long term boost.

do the cravers permanently deplete planets for every faction? should i wipe them out as quickly as i can or just mind my own business and build up local systems

>>181153162
>do the cravers permanently deplete planets for every faction?
Yes, but deplition only affects base planet stats afaik, so it's not that big a deal late game.
>should i wipe them out as quickly as i can or just mind my own business and build up local systems
Depends on your means and goals.

>>181152728
There are minotaurs and wraiths also, would they be of any use?

>>181153554
I'm not very versed in RC builds, so I'm not sure. Wraiths are always decent because science is always important, plus they are flyers with chain lightning so if you have neighbours who like to go melee they are quite good. Minotaurs, I don't even remember the bonus. Damage maybe? Long story short with them - they are tanky cav, they can be good replacement for your basic cav if you want something more beefy but I'd probably go with wratihs myself.

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>Second Winter was a maximum turns one

>>181151159
They're not very intelligent in terms of battle strategy, but EL AI is super agressive and knows how to use its advantages.
For example, my very first serious game as Dosh Lords, I spawned next to Drakken and they immediately rushed me after building up a huge Production economy. Had it not been for a great start and a lot of stalling tactics they'd have wiped out several of my cities in the first 100 turns. That was the fight that taught me to Garrison early.

>>181155115
Well, since you are obviously playing best faction, that's not a problem at all.

>>181155859
But forgotten don't like the winter.

>>181155859
I'm Roving Clans.

>>181155162
>starting next to necrophages
>not having a ranged unit
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>>181156236
The only early defense from Necrophages is to either have heal units or chain lightning. I don't think any of the Minor Faction normal ranged units are capable of fighting them off.

>>181155898
>forgotten

Hahaha, and such a jokester, too. No, best faction, not worst.

>>181156624
>not worst
Did I say Allayi?
You've got quite the comedic value there friend.

>>181156719
>allayi
>worst

>>181156403
Or just get an army with disease immunity like sisters or silics.

>>181156719
>Did I say Allayi?

No, you said worst faction. I said best faction.

>>181153554
guaran are nice and beefy and have winter immunity; a nice pair with hurnas, but as roving clans you already have cavalry
wraiths are flying and have chain lightning, both diversifying your roster and offering very strong crowd control for when you fight big melee crowds (cultists, broken lords, necrophages especially)
>>181156403
disease immunity is also super important; a silic frontline decimates necrophages

>>181157027
So we agree allayi is worst.

>>181156939
>>181157083
Forgot all about Silics, yeaj

>>181156939
Is there any situation in which silics aren't a good option?
Last I checked harmonites are pretty good frontliners and strategic resource bonuses are hard to come by early on.

>>181157241
>Is there any situation in which silics aren't a good option?
You probably play factions that have native archers a lot. Because for all their goodness silics take up an assimilation slot for infantry unit, and that means no archers or flyers. Also sometimes you simply don't have enough strtegic deposits to justify their use vs other bonuses. Or you might have only 1 silics village versus 3-5 of some other beasties.

That being said, they are still great in many situations.

>>181157241
If you already have heavy tank infantry, Geldirus are a better Winter unit. But the assimilation bonus is p. stronK

>>181156403
tetikes will always be good against anything but wild walkers
they deal brutal damage and have amazing defensive capabilities for an archer unit

>>181151153
>a bunch of people telling him he is retarded with the same point
>I dont get it its your fault you can convey it better!
No, you are just dense and none of what you wrote addresses anything of what people actually tried to explain to you. Not only that, your response fails to follow up on any of your original ""points"".

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Having an issue with vaulter quest. Mobs waves that grant access to winter shelters simply didn't spawn. Is it possible it's due to the fact that I went down alternative route (searching ruins instead of building extractrors) due to doing it in era 2? Any ideas on how to solve it?

>>181153162
Yes.

No. They will rape you endlessly. Then if you survive, you get dinner depleted planets with Craver populations as a reward.

Box them in and they will be stagnant.

>>181084787
>playing with pirates off
Sorry I didn't realise you were a pussy faggot

>>181157894
Yes, but iirc their auto-counter only triggers once per phase. If you can get a big group of them fast they're good.

>>181160279
At least I'm not so pussy that I wait 16 hours to respond.

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>Alliance with treemen working well.
>Working on getting vodyani healthy enough to where they can join us.
>Horatio and UE the other alliance.
>UE declares war on our alliance, Horatio gets dragged in.
>Exact same turn war starts get this.
Kek.
I can imagine the talk at the meeting that year.
>You declared war on WHO?

>>181162886
What is hilarious is that it fits Horatio's flamboyant persona perfectly.

Vodyani are one of my favourite allies because once they get their heroes going I do not have to build a single ship since they start shitting them out and murdering anything that dares set foot in my territory.

>>181163627
Plus Vodyani are like the Unfallen in that they're not going to try and backstab, they're more than happy to be part of an alliance.

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Two questions:
First of all, can I destroy unique planets and does that count towards supremacy victory.

Second of all, on a scale of one to fuck, how cockblocked is this guy right now.

>>181163969
They are pretty cool. I hope they take their Heretic quest line as the canon one since it makes them far more interesting in that their leader knows their religion is bullshit and hates that they have to drain people of essence but still has to somehow hold the empire together because she loves her people regardless. Way more interesting than single-minded religious fanatics whose religion makes no sense in the first place.

>>181164170
I am also interested about the possibility to destroy unique planets. If possible I am surprised it is not an achievement to blow up all of the racial ones.

>>181164320
>whose religion makes no sense in the first place.
That's every religion, anon

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Oh boy, this is a doozy.

https://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2017/06/29/civ-6-euiv-and-endless-legend-designers-on-how-their-strategy-games-create-the-illusion-of-a-world/

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>>181165181
>illusion of a world
Could you say they are...BELIEVABLE?

>>181165012
The answer is yes and no.
Yes as in you can destroy unique planets.
No as in it doesn't remove them from the supremacy victory checklist.
Basically not really worth it unless you just want to give a giant middle finger to the enemy empire.

>>181165581
Great, I always wanted to blow up the Unfallen homeworld to make sure there are no Lost left existing in the galaxy.

>>181165181
>civ6 describes a feature of EL in detail
Really makes you think.

>>181165479
I didn't think a face so punchable existed
estrogen is a hell of a drug

>>181165958
What, you've never seen Martin Shkreli?

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>>181165927
If you were to blow up every planet in the unfallen home system, would that then destroy all their vines?
they all connect to their homeworld, and if they do not have a home system anymore, wouldn't that do it?

>>181166121
In terms of story - blowing up their home planet should be enough since this is the origin of all the vines. In terms of gameplay mechanics - I doubt it, though it would be pretty great especially considering how hard this system si to invade because of the Guardian bonuses.

The last faction I have remained to play in ES2 is the UE. All I know about it story is that you have to pick between three options as the future of your empire. Which one has the coolest story?

If we can't build megastructure in Stellaris without the Utopia DLC, why is there still Living Matter strategic resources and megastructure tech? Are there any useful outside of building mega structure?

>>181166831
You still get the bonus for having them, and with megastructure tech you can repair ringworlds you find (Basically terraform damaged segments into habitable ones)

>>181167141
I am tempted to buy the Utopia dlc but it is on 10% sale only for now. Knowing paradox, the future dlc will also be as expensive as the main game so I am kinda stucked right now.

>>181166787
>Which one has the coolest story?
They are about the same. Just go with your fancy, you are given plenty chances to change your mind along the way.

>>181167284
Just pirate it lad, and then buy it when it's on an even deeper discount next sale.

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F for my 95yo Grand Admiral who sacrificed himself as bait to help catch their entire fleet

how much of an edge does tech give you in es2? is warfare just who ever can mass the most ships making researching industry improvements more important?

Who are the "Good guys" of ES2? It seems to me like it is the Riftborn and maybe the Unfallen if we assume that the Lost that is leading them is not going to try to make them go nuts for some reason. Every other faction seems to be a varying degree of Asshole with cravers and religious vodyani at the top.

>>181168328
it varies, It can help you, but other techs, especially industry, are of significantly higher priority than weapons

>>181168161
Those two species portraits make it seem less serious.

>>181168328
Its difficult to tell, it could vary. Both are viable strategies - working on tech to make better ships with more advanced shields/weapons/more modules, as well as swarming the enemy with shittier ones before they can get to that stage.

For example the Vodyani get retarded late game because they can start popping out top-tier max upgrade ships at ridiculous rates becuase of the way the FIDIS bonuses for their heroes work.However if you, for example, play as cravers or there are AI cravers near the Vodyani, they could use their early game advantage to remove them from the game before they are even a factor.

>>181168328
>how much of an edge does tech give you in es2?
Industry is god, Science her prophet. While you can outmass your enemy, it will only last you so long, as the other guy said, industry tech is more important than weapon tech, but it's still all tech. So quite a lot of edge. There is also lil something called strategic resources, they can swing battles easily, and you need tech to dig them up and yet another tech to put them to use.

So yeah, endless games do tech/industry balance well, generally speaking.

>>181168416
>Who are the "Good guys" of ES2?
I think everyone's here of their own story, and that's a good approach. You could say unfallen are nice, and yet they are ultimately dogmatic reactionaries obsessed with keeping status quo, you could say that riftborn are nice, but they are ultimately so alien that their very presence is a threat to all living things. Etc.

>>181168843
>Vodyani get retarded late game because they can start popping out top-tier max upgrade ships at ridiculous rates becuase of the way the FIDIS bonuses
You know, I refuse to play ES2 until devs deliver promised nerf to that ability. I still can't fathom how that got trough QA

>>181168416
Despite the memes sophons aren't really malicious. Just retarded,

>>181168931
There is nothing wrong with wanting to maintain the status quo when it has brought lasting peace and prosperity to your people. It is not like they maintain it through violence and oppression either.

I agree that the Riftborn could be dangerous but it's not like they are intentionally malicious so far. Neither them nor the Unfallen are truly flawless and perfect, but they are the kindest compared to the rest of the cast.

>>181169191
I would put them towards the neutral side of the scale. They aren't really nasty, but in the same time they seem like a people that wouldn't mind wiping out half the population of an empire for the purposes of "science".

>>181095798
Amoeba lore is such an asspull. I wish they would've saved Amoeba as a major faction for a new expansion.

>>181095798
>>181170684
Wait, there is actual lore for the Amoeba? They looked so dull and boring I always assumed they were just shitty filler and never even bothered reading their description.

>>181170990
In ES1 they had some intersting backlore and tidbits of interactions with UE/Sheredyn. They retconned it to "They're Concrete Endless that devolved lol" like wtf?

>>181169103
>be completely fucking useless early on
>not allowed to get useful later on

???

>>181171206
I am unfamiliar with Endless lore. Are the concrete/virtual endless supposed to have existed/disappeared before or after Endless Legend?

>>181171347
Horatio is a good way to do that. The vodyani are a retarded way to do it. They should cut that trait by 75% to bring it in line with everything else in the game. As it stands it completely retarded. Especially considering how fast vodyani heroes can get to it because of their XP bonuses.

>>181171354
Way before EL. To sum up the EL lore in a sentence is: "What happened to the surviving races of ancient Endless on this one Unique Planet of zoo-like experiments after they blew each other up?

Think of the entire game as that one planet's backstory.

What the heck does flotilla crew destruction mean on this module?

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>>181063108
well fuck.
>ironman mode
>designed my race to be aquatic/diplomacy /federation/science
>start federation
>do worm quest
>entire race transformed to be fanatic militarist
>transformed to not have aquatic picture
>population now part of anti federation faction
>whole empire has -25 happiness for being in a federation
>and i didnt even get the resilience trait.
welp that game is fucked
should i start a new one with a different race, or try again?

>start next to Cravers

Well, I didn't want to have any fun, anyway.

>>181171595
Interesting. I suppose I could give it a spin since I am tired of ES2 at that point just to see if I learn more about the ES2 main races and some things about the lore. I am genuinely interested but unfortunately these games do not seem to have communities that are really dedicated to documenting and dissecting every bit of lore, at least as far as I can see based on the lack of wikis and threads about it.

>>181167995
Argh. Fine. I have no idea why I bought stellaris anyway since I usually just pirate any paradox game.