/gerg/ - Giant Extreme Robots General

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Norm is the true Klord leader of kong. Worship Norm.

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>>181012004
All hail Norm.

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>>181014001
oh gosh. can it be saved?

I'm still new to the game for the most part. I actually completed my 25 cadet matches a week ago and just kept using trial mechs.

Bought a Supernova recently and am hoping to get a Battlemaster from the event. It's a good thing I like energy weapons.

Game has been shitting itself every few matches with lag spikes and disconnects. What the shit?

>>181016123
I get crashes to desktop but I haven't encountered lag spikes on NA this week. I do see DCs in every match or players that take the entire time to load.

play crossout

>>181015082
The BLR-1G is probably the best energy mech in the game, good luck.

Guys is MWO p2w?

I'm still waiting for AyyMD Vega. Motherfuckers sure are being tight lipped about price and performance even after numerous delays. How the fuck am I gonna enjoy my giant robot games in high def?

>>181015082
Can't go wrong with the Supernova. 2LPL 6MPL my man.

>>181029568
It's pay to not grind.

Usually.

>>181029898
>Not already having a 290x
>Not enjoying all games with144fps with freesync


Im also going to grab a Vega when it gets released

>>181031162
Vega might be shit though, I hope Raja Koduri isn't pooing on us.

>>181031268
As long if it is a upgrade compared to my current GPU I will grab it

>>181031408
Remember to grab Crossout

>>181032027
what?

>Second domination match this morning in spoopy junkpile that team abandons two of us to hold circle while they hillhump and hide, and are annihilated by coordinated pushes by opposing team

Today the idiots are out harder, for some reason, and I don't know why.

>>181035843
For some fucking reason people still haven't figured out that standing still is death in this game.

>>181035843
>domination on frozen city or grim plexus shit side spawn
>team thinks going into the circle is a good idea

>>181035843
they're idiots because they don't play crossout

>>181015082
Which Supernova?

>>181038641
>talking about a dead Mad Max car game in a thread about giant robots.

Go make your own general.

>>181039309
But anon, almost everyone here plays Crossout.

>>181040214
It's still not a mech game.

>>181040214
Then why don't people post more about it? Like giving in game strats and such? Oh, because you're the only person here who plays it.

>>181041215
It is if I equip mech legs.

>>181041378
Because we either talk about it to each other while playing it or it gets posted about in /egg/.

And no, there are like 12 people that took to playing it recently between Mumble and Discord.

>>181041530
Mumble? What is that?

>>181042370
A voice client for old people who're afraid of Discord. The IP adress and PW are in the the OP.

Pfffft, lol if you aren't old enough for Ventrilo.

>>181042639
Discord is a piece of shit compared to Mumble though. Everyone playing Overwatch and HotS use discord and its complete ass.

>>181043567
Who cares? It's the popular newshit, and life is easier when everyone is using the same voice client.
>>181043169
The weird push-to-talk noise from Ventrilo is forever seared into my brain from countless hours of raiding in WoW.

WHERE DO I POINT MY ROGER WILCO AT

>>181044661
WHAT?

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>>181043567
>Discord is a piece of shit compared to Mumble though.

>crossout players

>>181043567
Can you explain some of the problems you are having? My friends and I use discord now for about everything, and it works easily as well as mumble ever did for us. Sound quality is about the same. I'm almost half-way around the world from them too.

>>181048083
For 1 it doesn't do auto leveling like mumble does. I realized this because my mic is shit and everyone has to turn me up on Discord.
2: it doesn't do attenuation AT ALL. Like its in the settings, but shit don't work. I like to have my game/music up a bit while playing, so using discord I basically have to have game/music super low so I can actually hear when people talk.

Those are my 2 main gripes.

>>181048083
You can download and host a private mumble server for you and your friends. A friend of mine does that for me and a couple irl buddies and we use that all the time. Also Discord tracks all the shit you do.

>light goose rifle
>its shit

who would have thought

>>181051872
Is the PTS out?

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>RACs are extremely rapid-fire Autocannons, but can jam if fired for too long

inb4 they're as shit to use as clam uacs

ggnore

>PTS for new tech is up
>thread is ded
ribly meks you tink

>>181049164
>Also Discord tracks all the shit you do.
What are you doing that you're so worried about other people seeing?

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>heavy large laser
>17 heat
>1.7 duration
>16 damage

>RLs
>Differing range between sizes
What the hell?

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>>181052697
>if you aren't doing anything illegal you shouldn't have a problem being spied on!

>>181053036
I don't do anything on a voice chat program that I need to be worried about, so why does it matter? What are you doing?

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Is PTS meme gud or minimally viable?

>>181053232
yiffing

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>>181053232
>right to privacy? what's that?
>principles don't matter!

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>heavy PPC.
>12 damage.
>14.5 heat.

>stealth armor is a word for word copy paste of CBT rules.

>1.1 spread on heavy megaguns.

>LAP uses no crit slots. Memetastic.

>>181054368
>LAP
?

>The majority of 'Mechs have not yet been retrofitted to support the distinct visual appearance of new weaponry. For example, the Rotary Autocannon will appear as an Ultra Autocannon when equipped onto the majority of 'Mechs. Support for these new weapon visuals will be released in stages in future patches following our July Civil War Patch.
Until then, placing new weapons onto a 'Mech which does not yet support the unique visuals will cause those weapons to appear as their similar counterparts. For example, Rocket Launchers will appear as LRMs.

PGI doesn't have people to draw stuff correctly.

>>181054954
I bet the UAC models don't even rotate for the RAC's then.

phil the shill streams new shit btw

>heavy ppc damage nerfed because they can't position change themselves out of fucking the clan ppc
>heavy memeguns have spread out of the ass on top of 80m optimal range
>heavy laser damage nerfed and flashlight duration as expected
Any word on whether they gave ATMs minimum range or not, since it doesn't say on the webpage.

>>181056736
Supposedly they do, 180m.

Also they are slow as fuck, but they deal massive damage at 270m.

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>>181056736
guess what

>>181056831
>180m minimum range on a weapon that's specifically made to be possible to use at point blank
Ayy fucking lmao

Instead of fixing the minimum range on lurms they just allowed the aids to spread on the next weapon too.

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>>181057038
Fucking piggy.

>>181057037
>guess what
You play on a potato of a computer with shit resolution.

>>181057037
Classic pig.

>>181057246
It's a screenshot from a 720p stream, I'm too lazy to download the PT tbqh.

What's the spooky heat status on the heavy lasers? 2?

>loading a light with 6 HML for one-shot butt explosions

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>firing a Heavy Gauss round will incur both reticle and cockpit shake.

>>181054653

Light active probe, senpai.

>>181058070
Still better than in TT, where it has a chance to knock you on your ass, more so if you're moving.

>>181058189
Thanks. I thought that's what it may have been but without the B from Beagle it threw me off.

>>181040214
I don't. I'm busy playing Brigador

>12 damage
>14.5 heat

not even worth testing

>>181058917
Shitteroids will know the pain of piggy's made up memestats now. Well everyone will with the CW patch, with Advanced Minimum Range Missiles, Overweight PPC and Heavy Searchlights.

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This whole thing is FUBAR.

>fubar

old man general

>12 damage obese pepsi
>those ghost heat limits on RACs
>180m confetti atms
>searchlight heavy lasers
The whole civil war patch except for snubnose and light engine is DoA

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brrt

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>>181063557
Oi! dats sum gud dakka

>>181062993
heavy lasers will hopefully be adjusted before release. Then again most things will probably get some adjustments before release.

>>181066448
You really think they're going to adjust shit when they've been doing nothing but nerfing clan stuff for half a year, and not even considered fixing their shit with things like clan LRM minimum range? The fact they even considered giving ATMs minimum range let alone even put it in a pts tells you all you need to know.
As usual they're going to fuck everything up and not fix anything ever. If you equip advanced piggy missiles, your missile hardpoints are getting a facefull of nigger dick and you'd literally be better using LRMs.

THE WEAPON IS SO BAD YOU'RE BETTER OFF USING FUCKING LURMS, THEY PUT MINIMUM RANGE ON A WEAPON THAT IS EXPLICITLY

EXPLICITLY

NOT SUPPOSED TO HAVE MINIMUM RANGE AND IS SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED TO PERFORM AT POINT BLANK

>>181067024
Eh, it's fine
You gotta use em "tactically", not just mindlessly facehug.

>>181067548
>use them tactically
>200-270m is where you can burst damage, everywhere else they get eaten COMPLETELY by AMS
>not mindlessly facehug
>when your enemy will just be within 200m to render your IS LRM tonnage weapon utterly useless

>>181067548
There's literally no reason to ever use them if they have minimum range. ATMs are heavier and bulkier than LRMs, have lower ammo/ton, and it looked like they can't fire indirectly either. With the retarded piggy's original weapon do not steal minimum range there's a miniscule bracket where the ATMs do full damage, after which they have ridiculously bad damage per ton of ammo, and even on the 2 damage range bracket ATM12 vs LRM20 is just 24 vs 20 alpha damage. And because LRMs have damage falloff instead of Pig's Confetti Zone, they are better at brawling than ATMs, a weapon that was specifically made to be able to use an ammo type that maximizes damage at knife fighting range.

What a sad joke. They shouldn't even need a PTS to know that's fucked up.

>>181067827
You're right, ATM should have the best damage per ton of any missile system outside of one-shot Rock It Lawn Chairs. With the only drawback being that they suffer damage drop off when they fire from up to LRM range when they feel like it.

>>181053027

Straight from TT, actually. For once, this isn't piggie being retarded.

The pig fears the pepsigoose, no matter what form it takes.

Also, apparently HPPC's are directly modeled on Clan ERPPC's, because they too get the splash damage.

Just for a weapon that's four tons heavier. And minimum range.

ATMs in BT do have a minimum range but it's 120 meters, not 180. Still the case thought that min range in MWO shouldn't mean 0 damage anyway, especially when the point of the ATMs is to do more damage at closer range. Heavy PPC is pretty much a waste of time at 12+1.5+1.5 damage for how large it is, and apparently the Light PPCs also have the same ghost heat limit of two like regular PPCs which negates their usefullness. Stealth Armor completely trapping all heat and preventing it from dissipating also isn't accurate despite its description, it just does 10 extra heat every ten seconds while active which they obviously took into consideration by not letting it be reactivated for that period after being turned off. Looks like they decided to go the no fun allowed route for the new tech overall.

>>181069734
not surprised
pop-tart meta scared piggy good, they've been trying to limit alpha burst damage ever since.

ggclose, piggy.

HLLs and HMLs have a 1.7 and 1.6 burn time, respectively. Laservomit becomes laserdrooling.

>>181070194
>ATMs in BT do have a minimum range
Retard

>http://www.sarna.net/wiki/Advanced_Tactical_Missile
>Minimum Range 0/4/4

>>181073550
HEs don't, but standard and ER do.

>>181074726
Which means the ATM doesn't have minimum range.

>>181075598
2/3rds of them do so yeah they do.

>>181076092
What part of piggy can't into ammo switching, so they ostensibly were making the damage dropoff represent the missile ranges don't you understand? The HE loads have zero minimum range, and Piggy's version shouldn't either. Not only does it shit all over tt, it also means there's no compelling reason to spend cbills on them.

>>181078282
Not only does it shit 100% on the lore, it shits 100% on the intended function of the weapon too. MWO ATMs are worse than MWO LRMs, and MWO LRMs are the worst weapon in the game right now.

>>181078548
ATMs are not worse than LRMs by any stretch, you are fucking high. They deal amazing damage at 200m, stupid amounts.

Ask Spectre and Dashing how much they like ATMs :^)

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>>181080306
>all that fucking salt from darshing trying to fight hairy becks ATM clam bots

>>181054954
I don't see how this is a thing for most weapons.

Are they saying they have to manually add all weapons to every slot for every mech because they are too incompetent have the new model automatically snap onto the hardpoint? Because that would just be silly.

>micro lasers have ghost heat
>racs and light ppcs are limited to 2 before ghost heat
>atms have minimum range
>heavy ppcs have the wrong damage
>heavy lasers have ridiculous duration

>let's release all this new tech and then make it DOA!

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>Firing more than 2 @ui_loadout_warning_heatscale_group_11 simultaneously will result in a heat spike higher than normal.
>instantly overheats you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmHcDWrMH-8

>>181068309

ATMs are supposed to be scary as hell at close range, why is PGI suddenly scared to add new stuff to the game after creating all those spheroid quirkzilla skilltree monstrosities?

>>181081189

You forgot

MRMs have xbox hueg spread, low velocity and fire in streams.

Everyone of these new tech additions is a "Yes, but.."

>>181080306
>deals amazing damage in a tiny range bracket and if you go under it deals nothing and if you go over it's worse than lrm and it cant even indirect fire
>high weight high investment weapon system used best by heavier mechs except you can get pushed in, even though it's not supposed to have minimum range

>>181081189
Quality canacuckistan game design, just make all the new weapons useless so you don't have to spend effort to balance them lmao

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>LBX20 and Heavy Gauss Rifle can only be taken in a side torso with a standard engine

>>181082198
You mean like how they are in TT? OMG how dare they do that!

>>181082198
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>>181081849
They actually do have a degree of indirect fire, and the damage falloff is from 3 to 2 at about 300m, and doesn't drop to 1 damage until around 450-500 which it stays at until 1100m. Why would you ever use LRMs instead? ATMs are far better.

LRM5 is 1t 1 slot, ATM3 is 1.5t 2 slots. 5 damage vs 9 maximum, 6 at effective LRM range, 3 at ranges you shouldn't even be firing LRMs at. It's a no brainer.

>>181083006
At effective LRM range the ATM3 is doing 20% more damage for 50% increased weight and 100% increased slots, and has worse ammo per ton. You just explained why nobody should ever use ATM over LRM. If the weapon is so fucked that lurms are better, it's fucked.

crossout

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>every new weapon has some autistic screeching sound effect

>>181083718
The sound is majorly broken in this build. Every time I leave a match it goes to 100% until I increase or decrease the volume one tick.

>>181063557

>Mrms confirmed lava guns

I love being right.

>>181083718
That's why the ATMs suck cock, you're just launching live velociraptors at the target.

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Thanks...

>>181084448

>TheB33f

of course he would

>>181084172
>you're just launching live velociraptors at the target
so you're basically launching greg at the enemy?

>>181084448

The queef strikes again.

>>181081784

It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone.

The MRM40 is the highest dps weapon in the game by a pretty big margin, and while the ghost heat cap is 2, there doesn't seem to be any noticeable penalty for shooting two.

Spread could be a little smaller so that within SRM range you're spreading damage across a torso-sized area rather than an atlas-sized area, but being able to dump 18 dps+ from MRM80 out of something like a MAL-1R, without having to stare at the enemy seems pretty damn powerful. Maybe not for coring people out, but as a second line critseeking nigger in pub play.

>>181081784
>>181085497
I am not seeing the "fire in streams" bit. I have only used the MRM 20 and 30. It's a blob of missiles.

rocket launchers are a godsend to absolute faggots who like to get suicide with big damage in the first couple minutes of the match, collect cbills, join new game, rinse and repeat

>>181086491
>Archer with 9 RL
>instagib someone, gg go next
Ebin

>it's a majestic forgets the is erll was already in the game and spends several minutes being amazed about it episode

I'm not in a position to play the PTS
Did RACs end up being garbo?

>>181089183

Just about everything is garbo right now.

RACs get crippling ghost heat when you fire 3 or more of any type. They have low minute-of-angle compared to other autocannons so they don't deal pinpoint damage at a long range.

>>181089406

*high minute of angle

I'm getting the underlying feeling that everyone is complaining that the new weapons aren't straight upgrades over current tech.

Why can't Kong into game design?

>>181090062

>ghost heat is good game design

>>181090062
Problem is that they're downgrades, except murms might have benefits because lrms are so bad and it's an alternative for a missile slot weapon that has some range. Also heavy memeguns and snub nose pepsi seem to be pretty good from the streams I've watched.

Clans aren't so lucky with micro lasers with ghost heat, heavy flashlights and primitive tactical error missiles.

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>Hairy "ATM enthusiast" Beck meets Heavy Machine gun Spooder

>>181090345
Do you really miss the days of alpha strike nukes that blew through every mech save maybe an atlas like they were made of tissue paper instead of sci-fi space armor? Because I don't. Reducing time-to-kill requires sacrificing some builds. Yeah it definitely seems like "no fun allowed" but you at least understand the why of it right?

>>181091105

>3 Light PPCs
>3 RAC/2s
>alpha strike nukes

>>181091446
>3 snub PPCs

More damage per ton than an AC/20 with no ammo and can fit on just about any mech. Sure yeah, that's not a huge power spike or anything, boat that shit up senpai

>>181092152

nobody is complaining about snubs though

>>181092246
It's the same damage/ton so it's still a valid point

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Thanks Greg

2 spoopy heat limit on RAC2 is retarded, no other AC2 has ghost heat so why the fuck does the one that requires the most constant facetime have it?

>>181090062

They were straight up upgrades, the innersphere was stopped blowing itself up and started organizing.

It's also why clan weapon nerfs are bullshit as well, they hold up this fucking table top game bit, but turn on the game rules all together.

>>181094703
>actively desiring power creep

once again, why can't into game design?

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>no ghost heat in IS UAC20s
>-25% jam chance on MAL-2P

>>181096274
>muh power creep
One of the most used excuses for devs being retarded fucking morons and screwing everything up.

>>181096792
just because you got duped into shelling out money for TT rulebooks back in the day doesn't excuse you for being retarded now.

>>181096274

>RAC/2 with less DPS than UAC/2 plus pointless ghost heat
>ATMs with batshit retarded design
>Light PPCs getting ghost heat off of a 15 damage alpha strike at 500m
>"""Heavy PPC"""s that do a wimpy 2 extra damage for 3 extra tons, 1 extra crit and 5 extra heat
>Heavy Lasers with no sensor jam drawback, instead they just take even longer to burn their damage than clam lasers already do
>Heavy Goose and LB20X that require a ballistic side torso hardpoint + std engine, can't even be taken on the nightstar variant that canonically has one in the arm
>Light Goose with the same cooldown as standard goose despite only doing about half the damage, as if this single weapon is using tabletop balance and not regular MWO balance
>ghost heat on micro lasers

none of this is power creep

>>181099057
yup they put in some major trade offs into the new weapons as they should because most of the new weapons are more damage per ton.

Is every trade off perfectly balanced to make every weapon equally viable as current weapons? I wouldn't say things are perfect and I certainly can't say what would be, but hey there's a brand new test realm and feedback forums to go make your case on.
But go in understanding that most of these new piggy drawbacks are probably not going to be removed, probably just tweaked. For good reason.

>>181100247

The RAC/2 is literally supposed to be a more powerful UAC/2 that weighs more tons and has less range. PGI made it a worse UAC/2 in every way imaginable except it can't jam until the jam meter is full.

The Heavy PPC is not more damage per ton, you get 1.2 the damage for ~1.5 the tons and heat with same range and cooldown.

Light Gauss is not more damage per ton either, it's 3 tons fewer for almost half the damage.

ATMs are not more damage per ton either, they are more versatile and more heat efficient but also less damage per ton and easier to take down with AMS(less missiles).

The idea that 15 heat & 9 tons for 15 damage with a projectile weapon at 500m is somehow broken and requires the addition of ghost heat, is retarded. Light PPCs are a lesser weapon than Large Lasers, why do they deserve extra ghost heat?

Stop white knighting for PGI. Either they are braindead, or are intentionally making the weapons bad during the tests so they know which ones to buff. Either way, I'm sure they are getting some cancelled pre-orders from angry golds tonight

Fuck me I just want to play the game and made the mistake of thinking I could just pop into the beta.

>tfw group queue is full of bigger retards than qp, AND you have to fight big groups of organized people
I fucking hate these "play x matches in group queue" challenges. This shit is the absolute worst.

>>181107480
You just need a match rating of 80. If you don't get at least that, even with a shit group, you need to uninstall.

>all the new weapons suck and/or are boring
>people honestly expected something more from the pig

>>181110560
I got exactly what I expected. A lot of salty things to read on various forums.

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So here's the rundown on the PTS
>RAC2s are dogshit
>RAC5s hurt like shit but hitting targets farther ranges is difficult unless you are good at leading cannonballs
>MRMs have ridiculous spread and are kinda mediocre but a single MRM10 will do more damage for the same tonnage as a single SRM6 which is pretty gud
>ATMs are fucking absurd nuff said
>Heavy machines will eat out your ass incredibly fast and makes ATM boats *********harabec******** salty as fuck but requires you be arms-reach close to the target in order to do that dank armor-shredding damage
>Heavy lasers burn time are as ridiculous as the damage they do
>Micro lasers are kinda neat in the gimmicky sense but have also shown to be useful in certain nova builds
>IS UAC10 is nice but seriously needs an ammo boost as it devours ammo faster than RACs
>Snub PPC and Light PPCs are actually pretty fun and will definitely see use when this shit comes out next month
>Light Engines make certain STD engine mechs 5x better in terms of speed and mobility
>heavy goose and PPC are meh
All in all we are in for some gud stuff next month

>>181112363
>a single MRM10 will do more damage for the same tonnage as a single SRM6 which is pretty gud
SRM6 does 12 damage ya dingus. MRM 10 does 10. This is basic math. The MRM is supposed to be good because of massed firepower. As strange as it sounds the SRM is more of the brawler's surgical strike weapon comparatively.

>>181101218
>ATMs are not more damage per ton either, they are more versatile and more heat efficient but also less damage per ton and easier to take down with AMS(less missiles).

I did some preliminary testing, and found out that 1 AMS will neutralize an ATM3 at all ranges, an ATM6 at 300m or more (below 300m 1-3 missiles will make it through), halve the number of missiles on an ATM9 at 300m or more, and take out a quarter of your missiles on an ATM12.

But this was just ONE AMS on one mech. So since there are multiple mechs with AMS running about nowadays, I can safely say that ATMs are dead on arrival.

>>181082775
Heavy Gauss is limited to side torsos probably because of the recoil while LBX-20 can be taken in arms with crit splitting into the side torso.

>>181112363
>IS UAC10 is nice but seriously needs an ammo boost as it devours ammo faster than RACs

Nigger it was confirmed by PGI that they forgot to up the amount of ammo per ton for IS UAC10 and UAC20 for the PTS.

Which also shows they WERE internally testing single slug UAC10s and 20's for nigger sphere.

>Heavy lasers burn time are as ridiculous as the damage they do

Which makes them useless and utterly dead on arrival. They're a nigger trap to trick retards into using them for "huuuurr muh extru damug."

Heavy medium lasers also have a ghost heat limit of 4. Worthless worthless worthless. By the time ANY of the Heavy lasers finish burning for their extra 1, 3 or 5 damage, an IS mech will have finished firing before your burn was halfway through, has torso twisted to spread that damage and is most likely already in cover.

Dead weapon system.

>ATMs are fucking absurd nuff said

Absurdly bad you mean. AMS eats them alive, horrible spread makes them useless against lights and small mediums, they take fuckhuge amounts of space so using them on clan mechs is even more limited, and their "omg muh damage" range is limited to between 180m and 270m for a whopping 90m window.

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>PGI's face and theme as they rev up grab deals for vegas again
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dvt9wjObDAQ

do ATMs have the same spread as streaks?

>>181118480
Worse, actually.

ATMs have LRM spread, which means some of your highly expensive missiles will actually miss their target.

And how fast do MRMs travel?

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>>181120165

>>181120330
time for mega missile boats

bamp

>look at the tournament calender thing
>weeks start on sunday and end on saturday
how can one company be this fucking incompetent what the fuck

>>181132806
Many companies use Sunday as the beginning of the pay week, and Saturday as the end. Piggy sucks, but this isn't some remarkable or unique bit of stupidity on their part.

>RAC2 has nigger shit dps, hotter than the sun, ghost heat limit of 2 despite no other AC2 which are all better have ghost heat
>heavy lasers that have big hole punching power on tt are the exact opposite, with big damage spreading power and big ghost heat and no redeeming features
>ATM has minimum fucking range on a weapon system the whole point of which is being designed to use multiple ammo types for different ranges one of which is for close combat, making them heavier bulkier ams-vulnerable lurms with no indirect fire and less ammo
What the fuck were they thinking? It's not exactly hard to be a worthwhile missile slot weapon for clans when the competition are lurms with made up minimum range, useless streaks and surms that are inferior to the IS version in every way, and ATM fails anyway.

How hot is laser AMS?

>>181122736

Why not just use srms then? MRMs are awful.

>>181134032
>pgi
>thinking about anything
>with the exception of thinking about how they can prep their black, mozlem bulls for their wife and how to sell their lands the cheapest to chinese mobsters

>>181135115
Atleast MRMs have the advantage of having range on a missle slot weapon without being LRMs. Same can't be said of the turd clans are getting.

>>181135115
MRMs synchronize with standard and extended range large lasers pretty efficiently.

Kind of fucked up that your jam gauge on RACs runs up while it's still spinning up. I guess they don't want you to sit there and hold it spun up, but it has spin down time after you let go of the trigger.

>Mauler hero with 4x MRM10's, 2x LBX10s
>all that splat

bamp

I picked a scab from the edge of my nipple and now it hurts.

>>181137018
>I guess they don't want you to sit there and hold it spun up
I heard that it's to prevent macros from being able to do that.

>>181137018
>>181141441
That's not even an issue. The issue is the fucking abhorrent dps/heat ratio and putting ghost heat on a continuous staredown weapon, imagine if memeguns had ghost heat, it's that retarded.

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>pgi advances the time line
>adds new weapons
>they all have nonsensical nerfs and limits
>BUT THE FUCKING LBX20 HAS TO FOLLOW TT AND BE 11 CRITS

>>181142958
>piggy
>logic

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>>181054954
>The majority of 'Mechs have not yet been retrofitted to support the distinct visual appearance of new weaponry. For example, the Rotary Autocannon will appear as an Ultra Autocannon when equipped onto the majority of 'Mechs. Support for these new weapon visuals will be released in stages in future patches following our July Civil War Patch.

>>181133187
Yeah well I'm not getting paid to play MWO fucko

>>181142958
Who cares about lbx20? IS lbx and streaks are a fucking meme, shitteroids already have better pinpoint damage autocannons so there's literally no reason to use lbx, and streaks are just garbage for anything except trolling light pilots.

>>181143850
who the hell cares about your shit opinions

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>>181141441
>I heard that it's to prevent macros from being able to do that.
Muh macro boogie man argument

>>181135309
>Atleast MRMs have the advantage of having range on a missle slot weapon without being LRMs.

At least LRMs have the ability to track. You seriously think people are going to be able to hit the entirety of the volley at moving targets at anywhere near max range. Remember, the entire missile volley doesn't leave the launcher at once, they stream out and once you fire, not even moving your torso will influence the trajectory of the missiles that have yet to leave the launcher. Meaning, even if you lead a target during the duration of the stream your last out will still hit where the first out was targeted. You cant effectively deliver the entirety of the damage effectively like you can with srms or even locked LRMs especially when you factor in the spread of MRMs and not having the the ability to use Artemis. You might be able to make a case for MRM10s but SRM6 is still the better weapon. Past that, the weight, heat, slots for 20/30/40 make no sense. Its sandblasting garbage.

Sure they might be fine for turret warriors (both delivering and receiving) but then again so are a lot of bad weapons.

Like most of the new tech in this update, there are better alternatives for Mech Museum Online.

>>181145152
>add new weapons
>>but Russ this will make balance even harder
>you are like little baby, watch this
>all new weapons are worse than all current weapons
>>oh this is great we don't have to balance anything if their all shit good thinking Russ

>>181145152
LRMs turn into confetti inside minimum range and SRMs won't go beyond short range. MRMs work at point blank to medium range. Pig just recently turned every assault and clan heavy into an immobile brick with engine niggering, so big mechs can't avoid the salvo even at range if they're peeking or firing lining or some shit.

Compare that to the pile of coagulated black bull semen clans got, ATMs with pig-invented 180m minimum range when the weapon system is literally designed to fire missiles with 0m minimum rnage.

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>>181145075
>boogie man argument
I was checking out the NGNGtv Twitch stream yesterday to get a glimpse at the new stuff and he had a pgi dev on discord or something, (I forget who exactly because I don't know dev names) who was answering questions. He literally said it was an anti-macro system to prevent them from being perpetually ready to fire. If you don't believe me, check it yourself at about 02:03:57.

>>181132806
>pgi uses a normal calendar as a calendar

You're complaining that they are doing something correctly for a change?

>>181146259
>phil the shill and one of the cumguzzling canacucks responsible for rac ghost heat and atm minimum range said it so it must be good logic

>>181146703
No one said it was good logic. They said it was the logic they used.

>>181146259
whom are (You) defending here ? yourself, ghost hea,t NGNG or all of the above ??

>>181146793
Thank you. I'm glad someone here is capable of using their brain.

As for the post below yours, fuck off shitposter-kun. All I did was backup my statement with a source.

>>181146190
>LRMs turn into confetti inside minimum range

Sure but then again LRMs are most effective at medium range. Its just too bad most people use them incorrectly.


>MRMs work at point blank to medium range

And they aren't good at both given the alternatives. They synergize with nothing.

At short to point blank, you pick SRMs. At medium/short distances, Lasers or ballistics are better.

>so big mechs can't avoid the salvo even at range if they're peeking or firing lining

Sure but that doesn't make MRMs better than the already established alternatives.

My argument isn't that they cant be effective, my argument is that given all other possible weapon loadouts, MRMs don't make sense other than "I want to cause I can".


Again, the entire new tech patch is a "Yes, but..." shit show. Its new weapons just for the sake of having new weapons. They don't contribute anything meaningful to the gameplay. All these new items do is promote terrible builds. The only broken weapon is rocket launchers cause they will just cause huge alpha dive bombing gameplay and if PIG played their game they would have realized this.

I expect nothing less (or more) from Piggy.

>>181134180
i tried two on a myst lynx and it was impossible to fight effectively with them going off. i could only imagine them being used on bigger mechs with more sink capacity

>>181149260
>All these new items do is promote terrible builds
>people taking tactical error missiles and sucking shit even more than they would with lurms
>people taking racs and overheating like clan mechs without doing fuck all
>people taking heavy lasers and ineffectually smearing damage all over the place and dying to facetime

>>181150145
IS ER lasers, light PPCs & snub PPCs seem okay.

>>181150521
Unfortunately all the most anticipated stuff is complete and utter shit, because pigniggers felt the need to completely cripple everything with arbitrary bullshit like ghost heat and minimum ranges that don't exist.

Dat Laser AMS heat though

>>181154538
HOW HOT?

>>181158452
It would be extremely toasty
4U

Seriously though, considering they went full retard with the "heat is a slowly depleting and slowly regenerating mana bar" model in MWO, I don't see how LAMS is going to be useful for anything. Regular AMS is already questionable at best with how shitty lurms and streaks are, if you're putting what is basically a flamer mounted the wrong way around on your mech to counter the worst weapons in the game, it's so not worth it. You're just crippling your ability to put out damage for no reason.

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nice

Guess what happens when you click on a call-to-arms while a match is loading

>piggy coding

>>181160525
>tfw you're not a Konger and you still see your name.

What can save rotaries and atms at this point, whales threatening to refund their annihilators and mad cats?

>>181160987
The very first thing for RACs is for piggy to fix the ghost heat applying just for firing two of any kind of RAC out of synch.

>>181162231
The very first thing for RACs is fixing the ghost heat to not exist.

IS UAC2s are pretty effective en masse.

But then again so are CUAC2s. At least I don't have to play clan for maximum dakka now.

>>181162375
That'd be in the category of "general improvements"

>>181162231
The half second I got to fire the RAC2 AND RAC5 together was fun.

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When the 6 ac/2 jagermech-dd works just right.

>>181166806
absolute madman

>>181160525
Kakos are you trying to emulate my success in the Summoner?

y. Kinsman

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>mech barber: what kind of build you want
>me: give me that casual 70 pinpoint damage

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>>181168626

>>181162542
IMO cuck2 hbkIIC is shit rn

MRMs are fun

>>181168626
>Right arm
>no armor
wat?

What's going to be the best gun combo on the victor-9b when future tech comes out?

>>181160987
ATM's should have an optimal firing range of 270 with a missile doing 3 damage at that exact mark. Then it should scale down drastically to 1 damage per missile at range 0. It should also scale down from 3 damage to 1 damage at its maximum range, more gradually.

It's not brain surgery. It would deliver what table top values intended, less the full damage value of 3 at point blank range where it would edge out the validity of A+SRM for clan. A dead zone of 180 is just a copy and paste of the Inner Sphere LRM code. They're a bunch of supremely lazy fucks.

>>181113060

Yeah. Especially since they're also as slow as LRMs, meaning AMS gets all the time in the world to BRRRRT through them.

The biggest ATM launcher basically is as vulnerable as a Clan LRM 10 to AMS fire. That is, a fucking lot.

>>181113718

There is only one thing heavy lasers are good to aim at.

Legs. They're kneecappers, since you can't spread leg damage like you can whip a torso around.

>>181170806
It should have no minimum range or damage scaling meme shit, period. The minimum range should be plain 0 and it should be doing 3 damage between 0-270. Anything less, it'll be dogshit that's obsoleted even by mwo's dogshit lrms and it'll be nothing it's intended to be.

Atms by unaltered stats already have numerous drawbacks that make them inferior to lrms at range and inferior to srms at point blank, and add to that how powered up srms are in mwo, atms launching sequentially like clan lrms and ams chewing the atms up much worse than the other missiles. There's no justification to giving a weapon that already weights more and takes more space and has much lower ammo per ton a ridiculously crippling flaw that obsoletes the entire fucking purpose the weapon is invented for.

If they don't fix this shit and the new chinese dataminer spyware portal they're going to force on us sucks nigger cock, I'll probably just quit the game. I'm not a hard to please man, I couldn't give less of a fuck about shitty new maps or gamemodes or inverse memeshitmatics or graphical downgrades, I just wanted them to finally implement more of the interesting weapons and for them to be fun and viable but piggy can't even deliver that.

>3 LAMS shitfox
>12 heat

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>>181172106
>not going for the full LURM package

I'm happy how the rest of the IS uacs turned out.
IS uac10 is my new raifu

My nipple is better now.

>>181174638
Casual. Replace it with a hard point for a PPC.

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>>181174907
>not running double futa med laser build

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The true fapping arm has arrived

>>181170806
How would it edge out SRM's when it spreads damage, and dribbles out in a stream like clrm's?

>>181177650
That is just waiting to be shoved in some mech's face.

>>181177650
Try putting in RLs for even more tubes

>>181177752
Not to mention
>ATM3: 1.5 tons 2 slots 9 damage
>SRM6: 1.5 tons 1 slot 12 damage

>>181176068
Onii-chan! What are we going to do on the landing pad? =3 POMF!

>>181011821
is crosscuck /gerg/?

>>181177650
>Mr. Fister will see you now

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>>181177650
I fap with this hand.

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4/4 ballistic UMR when?

>gauss rifle challenge soon
Rev up those quad gauss kodiaks

ps the aidsgobblers at google need to fix their shit with this captcha

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Piggie network is down and all I wanna do is make frankenstein's monster mechs.

>stealth armor disables heatsinks.
>makes your heat rise superfast.
>disables IFF.
>disables doritos.
>MMO cooldown meter.

Piggy is at the peak of their game.

>>181180759
>disables IFF
>pretend you're an enemy light to your own assault lance, laser them in the legs a bit and circle around them or something
>stop still and get teamkilled
Out fucking skilled

>>181180921
Video footage when

>>181180921

Trendy new killsteal build: heavy megagun raybans with meme armor.

Golds won't even know they're getting hit by friendly fire, and will kill you instantly for dat 30 second que penalty.

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>Piggy announces rotary meme cannons.
>worse DPS than non-rotary meme cannons.
>worse high roller potential than ultracuck cannons.
>5 second mana bar.
>takes 10 seconds for the mana bar to regenerate.
>DPS face tiem weapon in a broadside world ends up with less DPS than goose rifles.

PGI senpai, plz. This is embarrassing.

Aww yiss, got my BLR-1G from the challenge. What can I do with it?

Also
>challenge gives out FRR white color
>it's literally indistinguishable from the titanium white we got from the event that gave the linebacker
Bravo pig, bravo.

>>181181889
Don't forget how they gave continuous facetime weapons with a huge pile of drawbacks fucking ghost heat, when ghost heat is supposed to prevent big alphas and rotaries are anything but alpha weapons. They even gave rotary autocannon 2 ghost heat when it's fucking worse, heavier and bulkier than literally any other autocannon 2, none of which have ghost heat.

>http://mwomercs.com/news/2017/06/1852-heads-up-shoot-n-loot-bag-event-starts-july-3rd
An another multi-week event right after the previous multi-week event, they really want to discourage people from hibernating until the new tech hits.

Ayy lmao

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>>181182121

>take two rotary meme 5s.
>spooky heat.
>okay, uncle Russ, you win.
>take one rotary meme 5 and one rotary meme 2.
>get the same spooky heat as you did with twin 5s.
>5 second meme potential mana pool.
>it takes almost two seconds to spin up memes into their ready state.
>ten seconds to regenerate meme bar.
>jams last 10 seconds.
>if you let go of the meme button, you must wait almost two seconds before you regain control and can fire.
>individual boolits do 0.00fuckall damage, creating the comical scenario where 8 gold men are sitting across a ridge and shitting thousands of ineffective rounds at each other.

I give PGI's new meme 11/10.

>>181182938
And it still got fucked less hard than ATM, what a shit show.

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>>181183203

>IS ER meme lasers retain tabletop range advantage, giving them a silly huge range compared to technologically inferior clanner test tube babbies.
>heavy PPC is all meme disadvantages, zero advantages.
>light megaguns trade an effective 43% of the vanilla megagun's already shit damage output for insignificant range advantage.
>rotary pig cannons.
>advanced tactical pig missiles.
>rawkit launchers are either instant death bullshit or deadweight. Magically still affected by tube count spells from the pre-cancer years.
>medium range pig missiles only work against stationary gold men targets. This has given the goldforums the illusion that they're great.
>everything related to heavy lasers.

At least it's funny watching PGI of 2017 fuck up worse than PGI of 2013.

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>>181182873
>free shit from up to 150 lootbags
>bonus choose-a-reward for every 20 bags you get, until the last three which is every 10 bags instead
>two patterns for mech chassis of your choice
>two premium colors and two decals of your choice
>a standing item and warhorn of your choice
Sounds pretty good to me. Especially the bit where you get to choose what you want. Gonna be extra tough deciding on what patterns and colors I want though. Guess I better start figuring it out now.

>>181184232
Atleast murms are worth something by the virtue of being less shit than lurms, and heavy lasers are going to be on legging meme duty in scouting.

If only they would just pull their heads out of their asses and make both the hppc and cerppc 15 damage 15 heat 1gh limit, remove gh from memetary cannons and remove minimum range from atms it might be tolerable. Light memegun, streaks and sphere lbx were going to be irredeemable shit by default and rocket launchers were always going to be a meme so who cares about those.

>>181185536
If piggu could into ammo switching, we'd have a good use for lbx's.

>>181184232
At least IS uacs turned out fine
Granted, the uac20 is horribly ammo starved

>>181182873
Do we know what chassis will be selectable? New escalation mechs perhaps?

>>181186587
Disregard me, misread it, that's what I get for reading without my glasses.

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I feel the golds have gotten slightly funnier since last time I checked the dark pit they call home. Give them another 10 years and they'll be making memes shit enough for /fit/.

where the white mecha at?

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>oh no clams aren't OP like they have been since injection
>waaa

When I'm in my K9 I target any mech painted black first.

>>181193683
>endless IS roleplayer goldman whining and the complete retards in charge of game balance have made piggy completely butcher the most anticipated weapons in the biggest game content update they've done in ages because they're more afraid of something not being """""""""""""in line""""""""""""" with previous dogshit than the weapons being worthless and completely devoid of fun
>for both tech bases
Seems like a good reason to be upset to me m8

>>181194543
What's dogshit?

ATMs without the minimum range would of made SRMs useless. MRMs fired as a blob would make SRMs useless as well for IS.

Heavy lasers feel like how they should. I don't see why everyone is so up in arms over it.

The biggest problem was nerfing the damage of a lot of the lasers last patch. Stick with tabletop damage values PGI

>>181184232
>it's almost like it's a test or something

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>>181195204

Remember when clan ACs were simply a placeholder for LBX slug ammo?
Or the command console with no abilities was a closed beta test entry that would receive useful abilities 'soon?'

>>181195059
>ATMs without the minimum range would of made SRMs useless.
ATMs with minimum range make ATMs useless, and it totally goes against the exact intended function of the weapon. It's fucking retarded on every single possible level. Also learn some basic math, SRMs outperform ATMs at close range even by raw stats. Not to mention they gave them shit velocity, they stream out like LRMs, spread out like LRMs instead of placing damage where you want like SRMs and are really weak to AMS.

Ghost heat on RACs, and just the normal dps/heat on RACs even without spoopy heat make them suck shit. Ghost heat is supposed to prevent alphas but the way they implemented RACs they are continous staredown weapons and not alpha weapons. RAC sacrifices so much range, projectile speed, accuracy, consistency because >mana bar, etc that it has more than enough drawbacks to not stack ghost heat on it.

The shit they've done to those two weapons is completely unjustifiable on every level.

>>181195818

RAC/2s deal less DPS than UAC/2s right now

>>181195059
MRM's aren't horrible, even if they aren't ideal. ATM's are terrible. Even if they had no minimum, they still fire in a stream rather than volley, at a much lower velocity, and the spread damage just like LRMs. They would be like shittier streaks that do a bit more damage per hit, but they aren't gonna replace plain old SRM's for shear location deleting ability.

>>181196261
Even if they had 0 min range like they're goddamn supposed to, I'd still only take them over SRMs on big and hardpoint-starved mechs with free tonnage out of the ass. There are no superlatives to accurately describe how bad giving a weapon that's designed from ground up to be used in close combat makes said weapon.

>>181196751

They are supposed to be versatile but worse than LRMs or SRMs at those specific jobs.

>>181195557
>Remember when clan ACs were simply a placeholder for LBX slug ammo?
What what? I don't remember this.

>>181196913
Exactly, and by raw stats they are. With piggy's addition they're completely worthless at close range, worse LRMs at medium range, and a joke at long range. I can't think of one single mech I'd want to use a massively downgraded LRM launcher on.

That's what happens when the retarded faggots resposible for balancing the game neither know anything about battletech nor know anything about their own game. ATMs with minimum range shouldn't even have made it into PTS.

they need to fix this gauss challenge thing I wanna play with my new blr

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WHERE DID THE TONNAGE GO?

>>181197281
This is what PGI has to try to shoehorn in when they don't have ammo typing. They are terrible weapons in their current state. In TT you get a 120 meter minimum range. I can see a decrease in the damage at close range to 2.5 and then a minimum range with damage decreasing like Clan LRMs. They have to justify the value of SRMs.

Clan homing missiles period are just weak to AMS. It's sad what a single AMS can do to Clan LRM 20/30 shots.

>>181199590
Even with the missile quirks, 3476 missiles is going to be 16 tons of ammo. My guess is it went into a standard engine and heatsinks.

>>181199736

no dude the kodiak

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>>181199796
A Standard Engine to avoid the chest bomb Gauss rifles on a Clan XL. DESU you can run a Standard 350 in a Kodiak for some builds with CT lasers.

In theory.

>>181199595
>In TT you get a 120 meter minimum range
No you fucking don't, HE ammo is 0m minimum range and the ATMs are modeling the different ammo types with the damage falloff since they don't have ammo switching. You can't just ignore the central special property one of the three ammo types on the weapon when the whole point of the weapon is to be able to use those three ammo types. Anything except raw stats with anywhere below optimal range doing full 3 damage per missile is going to make the weapon system worthless and completely outdone by the alternatives. Which is ridiculously horrible considering the weight, slot and ammo count.

What piggy has done and what every suggestion suggesting anything except raw TT stats will turn the weapon into something that's completely not worth using. Saying it would obsolete srms is retarded, even disregarding all simulator mechanics like streaming missile launch, aimable srms and cooldown differences, 3srm6 does the same damage up close as an atm12 with way better efficiency on everything.

>If you own a Clan wave 2 and 3 HERO pre-order you will receive 5 bonus Loot Bags per Hero 'Mech pre-ordered (up to 45 Loot Bags in total).
But, there's only Clan Heros 1 and 2 available...

>>181202298

yfw clan hero wave 3 is heroes for the firemoth and piranha

If i usually play firesupport in mwo with my jaeger and i wanted something more brawly what should i go with? somethign like a hunchback, EJ, or marauder?

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LRMboats are more than just a meme

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>>181203840

>2010 era laptop resolution.

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>>181203840
>>181203991
MY BROTHER

>>181203641

always bet on the ebin

desu it's really not a particularly brawly mech though

>>181204353
why the epic though?

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>>181168915

>>181195557

Yeah I remember that.

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>>181195557
Didn't know someone had made an updated version for MWO.

bump for crossout

>>181199595
shitty ten man twelve dogs chicken out because there are some average players on the enemy team

twelve dogs run around like headless chickens

lose twelve to two
twelve dogs blame the enemy shitters were too competitive

my nipple started bleeding again

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Man this new weapon update has been a total shitshow.

Literally nothing is better than what we already have.

Heavy lasers and their 2 second burn time.

ATMs unusable.

>RACS

What a joke

>>181214537
>have two brain cells
>check patch notes
>ascertain it's not worth to play PTS

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>>181214764
Yeah I think PGI is subtly telling me to fuck off with my clanshit and go somewhere else.

Niggersphere are the only ones with working tech now.

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80s jeans bump.

>>181216362
What unit?

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>>181215085

>niggersphere.
>working tech.
>heavy peepeememes.
>light goose that's worse at everything than the AC10, for a bigger cost in size and weight.
>memetary cannons that do fuck all, yet suck away all your tonnage and crits.
>mandatory light fusion engine upgrades for no less than 75% of all IS robots.

This time, both sides are equally fucked.

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So guys what's your opinion on PGI's latest model change to the Kodiak? I think it has potential.

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>>181217204

The whole game looks like a joke.

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>>181218374
Sure is.

>>181216606
Light engines are a gift from the universe

Is there a torrent for the Battletech Beta?

>>181220393
Yep, it's called pay the money for it. It works great.

>>181220393

You don't know what you're missing. It's pretty good once you mod it a bit.

>>181220481
>>181222158

>paying
>for a beta

>PAYING MONEY
>to BETA TEST a product FOR A COMPANY

It's remarkable.

>>181223747
People spent over 5 million bucks on a beta here back in 2012. They never got much more than that. Battletech backers will get a finished game next year.

>>181223747

If you earn enough goodboy points maybe your mom will buy it for you.

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>>181202454
>piranha

by the way that was confirmed to be coming really soon.

Rusty Bollocksuckler said they had another new-tech mech pack lined up after the nova cat and whatever one that's the latest, but are holding it back a bit to do some of those model updates.

But yeah, Piranha mech, the clans first 20 tonner, "coming soon."

>>181213703
nice

>>181225506
It will be xbox hueg and either have a fixed engine or piggy will artificially limit the top speed to 151 kph.

Can't have arthritis goldmen complaining about not hitting anything.

>>181227634
>IS about to get their own Streak SRMs
>with 2 second lower cooldown compared to clan ones
>ARC-5W can pump out 36 damage every 3.5 seconds with the 12% cooldown reduction from skill tree
>if the piranha, THE premiere machinegun mech with it's 12 memeguns decides to try and stare someone down, it will get destroyed in 4.5 seconds from 3 volleys of 18 S-SRM missiles.

>>181225506
dakka dakka

>>181227634
Is it really that hard to deal with something like the Piranha's speed in-game?

my nipple is scabbed again and itches

>>181216606
Atleast the anus shitter mechs have LFE now, snub-nose is useful, and the heavy gauss meme is atleast fun and it's gimmic is functional. Meanwhile the only clan tech that mattered is one hundred percent DoA.

So where is Haruko?
https://my.mixtape.moe/pebomg.webm

>>181244037
literally who

>>181244037
Haruko?

Haruko Haruko Haruko

>>181246779
Haruko, Panther, Pantherposting, Panthers with LPPCs, Panthers with Snub PPCs, Panthers with a big ol' megagun, panthers with GOOSE

this game is bad please let it die

How much are light engines?

>>181249826

Too much for your bank account to handle, kiddo.

>>181223747
>pay money for a full copy, get to play the beta.
It's like you don't understand basic things.

>>181249826
They're 75% more expensive than standards, so they're still cheaper than XL's by 25%. On the whole it's pretty great.

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What's the best mech to buy to take advantage of the sale? (besides the wolf Hound or panther)

>>181254203
sale?

>>181255434
The current sale that's been going on for the past 20+ days. You know, the Resistance mechs.

>>181254203
>posting the inferior version
you do not deserve an answer

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>>181244037
>the barrels for the RACs spin

>>181256065
Mechs need spinners like black guys used to put on their cars.

>>181258307
>used to put

niggers do it to this day.

Now they also invest in other retarded shit like LCD screens all over the roof, walls and backs of the seats, or speakers larger than their worthless shit stained carcasses.

>>181258307
Or like how they have hubcaps that stick out 9+ inches from the wheel? That's fast becoming a big thing in certain areas of the city I live in.

Is it going to be worth coming back to the game after the civil war update?

>>181259737
>Or like how they have hubcaps that stick out 9+ inches from the wheel?
That sounds incredibly dangerous.

>>181261520
It looks it, very much so.

effectively something like this.. https://www.atascocita.com/message_board/forumimgs/14346585155b040a435a24.jpg
(spoilered since a little off topic from big stompy robits)

MRMs are fun