/tf2g/- Team Fortress 2 General

1st for the literally dead ringer

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La Plata

VALVE TESTED POSITIVE FOR PERFORMANCE ENHANCING DRUGS

sandman + cleaver deserved it

Reminder that Manthreads will be OP as fuck for a week when the update hits then Valve will nerf it

>>180359110
That's not a buff to the overall class though, that's nerfing the most powerful (while annoying) options of the weakest class in the game.
>demo/soldier/medic(ubers) counter engineer better
>scout flanks better
>sniper picks better
It's like valve wants spy to become completely irrelevant

And even then they forgot the fucking diamondback which is ten times more annoying than the amby
>free crits for doing your job
>unlike FJ, has high accuracy so you can two shot snipers from halfway across the map with less aim than the ambassador
>no way of knowing if a disguised spy has the diamondback and has crits or not
>can easily three-shot a fucking heavy
Also
>ambassador is a bad weapon
only if you can't aim
I do love me some stock revolver though

>>180359215
based gsg crossposter

>>180359471
La Plata belongs in every general.

>>180359441
The Dead Ringer wasn't ever powerful, just annoying.

>>180359607
It essentially lets a spy live forever though if he can get to ammo

>>180359652
yeah, but they rarely ever got kills because they were so skittish
it's only powerful if you think living as long as possible comes ahead of getting picks

>>180359735
>spy
>good at getting picks
if you want picks that bad just play sniper

What is the least used weapon if Mantreads were the 2nd least used?

>>180359786
sharpened volcano fragment

>>180359819
Some people actually use that in Medieval Mode and even outside of it for just being a meme, the Sun on a Stick on the other hand it's shit even for a meme, so my guess is that.

>>180359874
if it was sun on a stick they probably would've addressed it in the scout updates
it has to be a pryo weapon because they'd mention it being the least used, if it's not the volcano fragment then it's probably the third degree

>>180359786
stock syringe gun

>>180359786
I mean I would like some explosive resist when I'm using the mantreads maybe just like 20% or something. I would like to not be locked into using it with the airstrike or the liberty launcher.

what if mantreads also gave fall damage immunity

>>180359607
The big thing I didn't like about the dead ringer is that if you drop the cloak you keep the buffs from the dead ringer. Speed buff and afterburn. It's annoying to see it used as just a giant middle finger to pyros.

>>180360320
That would be interesting. Would make people jumping around with the rocket jumper basically have free jumps all the time though. I'm not quite sure how it would work out.

>>180360320
it does if you land on someones head

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>all these faggy sniper mains breaking their fucking arms jerking themselves off over the ambassador nerf
>"lol spy wasn't meant to be a sniper haha get fucked :^)"
>meanwhile, heavy and soldier can still set players on fire for no obvious or logical reason, nobody fucking cares
I feel sorry for pyro mains.
t. neutralfaggot who knows better than to put all his eggs in one basket with a single class

>>180360582
>implying people who like the amby nerf aren't people effected by it, such as scouts, pyros, and medics where a single lucky headshot will remove whatever advantages they had
better idea; force spies to need to scope. headshots do 90 damage. done, shitty sniper for spy mains, less reliable in close combat

>>180360749
>better idea; force spies to need to scope. headshots do 90 damage. done, shitty sniper for spy mains, less reliable in close combat
that's literally the opposite of what should be done(or what Valve wants do to, for that matter)

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>>180360582
>everybody arguing against something must be ideologically opposed to it
>a valid game design argument doesn't count
>special cases from other classes that are heavily restricted, like a pointless aoe circle around an immobile class and a charge attack that essentially stuns yourself for a considerable amount of time and is widely regarded as completely useless matter in that discussion

>>180360861
yeah well valve wants to make rng the ultimate decider to whether or not the crosshair is actually accurate so i dont give a shit. using weapons like beggars bazooka is the most infuriating shit, i dont care if i can risk my balls deleting a heavy around a corner 2 feet away i cant do shit against a sentry outside of it's range of effectiveness. point being i don't think making the weapon more inaccurate is good balancing, they have not removed the ability to get headshots, its just now if you get headshot across the map you will feel like you are being fucked over by rng and not just a poor unlock

>not one post about the rescue ranger
Engies deserved it desu, when I played more it was unreasonably good.

>>180361057
i think that and the crusaders crossbow is widely agreed on. i wish they would remove uber gain from crossbow altogether just so i can use other primaries again "because i prioritize building uber over healing across the map" so then i could actually have fun with the overdose again

>>180361009
I see what you are saying. Perhaps giving the abby a range were the headshots simply don't work anymore. Though this may be hard to telegraph to the player if someone is in effective range for a headshot.

>>180361009
Valve want's it to be worse at long range but still acceptable at medium to close range
they tried to do that with rng, which is retarded, but it doesn't mean they still shouldn't try to accomplish the same goal

>>180361187
they wouldn't go for that, im pretty sure ive read somewhere maybe even the notes page itself that they didn't like having items where people had to guess how effective they would be like that

>>180361259
what about nothing but minicrits on headshots? surely having no damage falloff would be a pretty big deal in itself without seeming absolutely bullshit

>>180361340
that would make it less annoying, but it would also make it way worse than the other revolvers
what they should do is simply add damage fall-off, so if you are at close range it deals 102 damage but if they are at the other side of the map it deals way less

>>180361340
minicrits with enough damage to still 2 shot a sniper might be interesting to use.
What about damage scaling on distance from medium range off?

>cowmangler still not nerfed

>>180359735

In all honesty even if it wasn't overpowered I just found excruciatingly frustrating to go against. My autism forbids me from letting an obvious DR spy live because I know he'll come back and get me when I'm not paying attention or he'll just annoying and kill some poor schlomo on my team. If a shitty spy is being obvious coming up behind me I wanna punish him for it by killing him, but instead he just feigns and fucks off only to come after 10 seconds to annoy me again leaving me overly paranoid or I have to waste my time chasing him down making sure he's dead. Shit's annoying and I hate it so much. But really I'm just one autistic fuck.

The real issue is that fall-off is the actual game mechanic for dealing with distance. They should make the Amby headshots deal damage based on distance and double it, instance of making it crit.

>>180361618
Isn't it still shit because of the slower reload? I haven't played in a year but I'm jumping back in.

>>180362028
pretty sure they fixed that

>>180362028

They fixed the reload now. It's pretty much the same as the other rocket launchers now

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>We don't want Spies to be sniping at long range
>But Snipers quickscoping at short range is A-OK

>>180362028
All it has is lower damage to buildings iirc

Infinite ammo rl

>spy will never be fixed
>he will always be the worst class
why the FUCK is he still in the game then it pisses me off

>dubspol
>2 sentries on last
>medic ubers me
>start spamming
>for some reason he just takes my uber off and gives it to someone else
>get shredded to pieces by enemy fire + sentry aimbot
i'm kinda mad
just a little bit

There's nothing to fix about spy, he's fine, stop being autistic

>sniper picks better
>demo/soldier/medic counter engineer better
>scout flanks better and also arguably counters sniper better

>Sandman feels random so we nerfed it

Random crits removed soon?

Underpowered classes are fine, the game doesn't need to be rock paper scissors.

>>180363663
I'd bet my first born child that random crits are gone this update

>>180362865
What do you propose they do?

>>180363809
For the Ambassador, beyond a certain distance of hammer units, critical headshots become mini-crit headshots.

For Snipers, the reverse. Headshots are mini-crit headshots unless past a certain distance of hammer units.

>>180363756
spy is beyond underpowered though, he's straight up outclassed.

>>180363869
>unlock compared to a stock component
nope

>>180363869
I'd be down with that change.

>>180363923
>Spy's role is close to mid-range combat
>We need to fix that
>Sniper's role is long range combat
>Nah fuck that let him be effective at any range

>>180363318
>uber shitty soldier running blackbox because hes the only person i see nearby
>oh look a demoman came walking in he would do the job much better
if you get ubered do damage to sentries but don't jump straight into them. imagine you are invulnerable but that invulnerability can be taken at anytime there

>>180363984
>implying having to fucking zoom in, whereas spy doesn't at all, isn't enough of a detriment for a class with 125 health

is pyro still useless in meta and fine for pubs?

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>escape plan
>you are marked to death AND medic can barely heal you
Is it really so hard to deal with a low hp fast running Soldiers? Buff that thing retards.

Also, they literally killed sandman and the ambassador. I hate you valve stop pandering to skilles f2ps.

>>180364102
If you can't see the hypocrisy in Valve's train of thought, then make sure you put your tard helmet on before you go outside.

>>180364116
for now yeah, maybe when the update drops it might change that
don't bet on it though

>>180364116
in highlander pyro is considered very valuable as he can keep spam and spies away from the combo, as well as denying ubers

>>180364102
The amount of Spies who can headshot long-distance targets with regularity is amazingly small.

The amount of Snipers who can headshot short-range targets with regularity is amazingly small.

Why change one and leave the other unmolested. That's not balance, that's playing favorites.

>>180364291
You have the numbers on that? Nice. So how's the update coming along?

>>180364174
there is no hypocricy, sniper is not effective at close range. he CAN hit headshots at close range, after he zooms and accurately tracks with 20 fov, and you know what, even after this nerf the ambassador CAN still hit headshots at long range. theres no hypocrisy in that because they never said they didn't want sniper to have options at close range, but they did say they didn't want spies to have options at far range.
>muh fairness in a game designed to be imbalanced for the sake of classes and relying on teamwork to win
next youll cry that every class in the game doesn't have a pocket sniper

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VALVE SPEAKS
spy boys btfo
excited for whats to come please dont hurt me again

playing some casual (NA) for a few rounds. Send an add or a message if you want in.

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How will valve treat the banners in the future?
The shotguns are getting revamped with the panic attack actually being good now
The mantreads are good because you can bomb medics much easier, scouts don't push you back and you can move at weird angles

Why would a pocket run a buff banner or a battalion's backup? Are they doomed to just being pub weapons?

should i still use the ambassador and DRpost-nerf or switch to stock, i have no problems using either

OUR LORD AND SAVIOR MR PALADIN IS STREAMING ATM

>sandman
>Max range balls now do 50% increased damage (from a base of 15)
literally "applies afterburn to players who teleported on a monday" tier of useless stat

>>180365076
w-with a whopping s-seven point five extra damage, i-it'll surely pick up more long range k-kills, r-right?

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>these new mantreads

>>180364924
I really want to see a change in the Conch. I play Demo a lot and it really pisses me off that simply having that thing equipped means I have to hit him with 3 pipes instead of 2.

>>180365382
why didn't you use png's of the turners
why didn't you put any effort into that picture

>>180364953
anyone?

>>180365181
I mean, the cleaver went from 50 to 68 if you hit someone literally 2fort balcony-to-balcony with a projectile.
Now, that was completely useless.
>removed crits on stunned targets instead of making it unique to the cleaver aka fixing bugs
motherfuckers
>-1.5s recharge if you hit someone at a little more than medium range
whatever, it charges friggin fast already

>>180365382
Has someone played that mod that STAR_ created where the scout bat made him jump into the statosphere and made him turn like that?
gardening people will be a shitton of fun, literally all you have to do now i practice the swing time, 200% aircontrol is crazy

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>>180365654
>[email protected]

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So, Samurai.

>>180365750
you know the rules

>>180365942
nice tf2 post

>>180362865
>Be a useless untouchable fuck half a mile away
>Sometimes click on people the right way
>This is supposed to be fine
>Be a long range class caught in a CQ situation
>Manage to hit a fast moving target while under fire with a considerably lowered mouse sensitivity and fov
>Skill must not be rewarded

>>180365976
/vg/ isn't /v/ senpai

>>180366036
whats tf2?

>>180366153
A recently revived video game

http://www.strawpoll.me/13247863

>>180366036
>>180366153
>>180366218
Well shit I am in the tf2 tab, thought you were making a demoman joke.

>>180366042
>Be a useless untouchable fuck half a mile away
>Sometimes click on people the right way when they finally get in your face
>This is supposed to be fine
>Be a class using a weapon that is based on having good aim
>Manage to hit a moving target the size of a gnat with considerably higher mouse sensitivity and fov
>Skill must not be rewarded

>>180365660
if they ship the update like this, the amby is dead, a non perfectly accurate gun will never be able to headshot in this game.
DR will still be usable sometimes, but since it takes 20 fucking seconds to recharge with no way to speed it up except etranger/big kill, i'd see the % of spies using it drop by at least 60%

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213663081<<
your next post will say "i was merely pretending to not understand game design"

>>180366619
are backwards quotes your signature or something? or do you do that to attempt to get the last word in the matter because good chance they wont reply back to you because no link?

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>being so assblasted about your crutch finally getting what it deserves you change your alias and spam binds

>>180366323
The Jill screenshot has been posted a gazillion times by now, how have some people still not seen it

>>180367302
it does suck, they could at least:
>no picking up sentry metal
>small ammo pack = 5% cloak
>medium ammo pack = 15% cloak
>large ammo pack = 25% cloak

>>180367605
They are trying to discourage predictable pickup behaviors. If they made it like you suggest, all the gibus spies would just die on the way to ammo packs, even though they aren't really worth it.

>>180367302
how was their fragging

>>180366992
Because people here derive satisfaction from posting inane shit and seeing people riled up
This way you actually have to read my post to make sure i'm replying instead of just following the red notification

For those who missed it, this is what rocket jumping will look like with the new mantreads
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3ncHrm_8Io
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_gfMedqIyd8

>>180367302
shitters actually think that people will agree with them if they become annoying cunts and spam binds

I really should've expected this from people who actually like the dead ringer

>parachute nerf
Aw fuck, it was like the funnest thing they've added to the game
I mean yeah sometimes it was obnoxious and this kills ez mode gardener fags, but still

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>>180367825

>>180368119
looks super powerful
how can gunboats even compete

>>180367314
EU times and i've worked all morning, literally just read about the update, only come to /tf2g/ sporadically
What pic?

how do you think they buffed the axtinguisher

>>180368414
glad my loadout is still used as a meme

>>180368115
So you really think the red ! is what people go for?

So, with that in mind, you denying people the red !, why post at all? You can not post and deny them the attention and the red !.

Sounds like you just want the last word in the matter and hope they dont read what you posted so you feel like you won.

>>180368414
>not only 102 damage

>>180368382
>this kills ez mode gardener fags
please refer to >>180368119

>>180368661
5% extra damage if you took more than 120 damage from explosives on a full moon on a day that's a prime number

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>>180368578

>>180368480
More jumping potential I doubt mantreads will be able to skip jump with any reasonable health left over.
This change seems nice, a new way to rocket jump.

I'm fine with short range headshots for snipers, on most of his primaries.
Quickscoping is a skill, especially when the enemy is in your face harassing you.

The exception, of course, is the Huntsman. It shouldn't be able to headshot at point blank range by just dropping an arrow on them. Either implement a range threshold, or make it so that uncharged shots can't headshot players.

>>180368821
i just want to tell them they're dum dums without the satisfaction of being replied to
now reply to this if you've understood what i said

>>180368862
air control has nothing on the jumper for being utterly retard easy to shovel, although that is pretty bad now, and unfortunately part of the classic "ebin trolldier" loadout so you'll see millions of those useless fags

>>180368480
Longer/farther single jumps vs more jumps available at any given time
I could see people pairing the Mantreads with the Liberty Launcher though

>>180369000
Yeah but you would make an even greater statement by not replying to them. Ever see someone flailing for attention and being denied attention? they go nuts and thats more fun to watch.

You, you just enable them and yourself but you do some mental gymnastics thinking not giving them a (You) makes everything go in your favor.

>>180368979
make hunstman minicrit on headshot instead of full crits
it can already 1shot bodyshot light classes, it doesn't need strong headshots

You think the valve devs read the thread?

>>180369000
>satisfaction of being replied to
not him, but you did reply, you just avoided 4chan's notifications, he'll still read it despite your odd passive aggresive stupidity

>>180368891
>as mentioned, these changes are not set in stone
aka why i'm complaining.
balancing with RNG is shit and they should stop doing it.
This will also mean that you can literally still HS people at long range when your crosshair is not even on their head.
Rest assured i will still try to go for long range HS with it

>>180369130
it also helps with airtime i guess, but if i had to choose between airtime and the ability to do 360° turns in midair i would take the nu-manthreads

>>180369134
>Liberty Launcher
literally no chance.
Either jumper for meme trolldier, or medic and you just use stock, MAYBE airstrike since it still has 15% self damage resistance, so you can bomb a sentry around a corner

>>180369257
how about fuck you

t. part time huntsman

>>180369257
>one shot bodyshot light classes
>does 120 damage on fully charged bodyshot
>light classes have 125 base max HP
>125 - 120 = 5
???

>>180368979
>requires minimum charge to headshot
>requires minimum distance to headshot
>headshots at mid range only minicrit, long range is full
>shrink the hitbox for fuck's sake
Y/N?

>>180369404
he doesnt actually play the game, he just hates getting shot because he goes into panic mode after the arrow landing sound and runs back to spawn not knowing this is effectively respawn time and gets mad at the item, not himself and that pisses him off more and redirects that to the item again

>>180368891
on a side note, what forum is that?
I though it was facepunch but that's not it

>>180369676
teamfortress.tv

>>180369404
>5 health off max health
basically just a scratch away from death
can't remember the last time I fought a huntsman as a light class

are you ready for every amby user to switch to the diamondback

Reminder to email valve to nerf the diamondback unless you like getting three-shotted as a heavy, two-shotted as a sniper halfway across the map and getting crit for just glancing at a headless pyro.

sure

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>watch Uncle Dane vs Stabby
>its actually Uncle Dane vs bo4r
Anything Spy can do, Sniper does better! Sniper does everything better than Spy~!

Reminder to email valve even if you have no problem with the changes, or else whiny spy mains will keep the dead ringer as-is

WHY DID THEY NERF THE BASE JUMPER
WHY
THERE WAS LITERALLY NOTHING WRONG ABOUT IT
IT WAS FUN AND STUPID AND NOW IT'S GOING TO BE SHIT
REST IN PIECES YOU MAGNIFICENT BASTARD

>>180370176
>like getting three-shotted as a heavy
instead of getting one shot by a stab or two-shot by a sniper?
The revolver is not THAT precise, i bet that at sniper-like range, there's a 50% chance to hit a sniper with the second shot, and you have to kill 2 people beforehand anyway for it to work
>b-but it's not hard to kill 2 people
Then i'm sure you ran eyelander 100% of the times since it's a free 5 hp and 16% movement speed.

Remember that eyelander bonuses re semi permanent in that life AND you have a shield usually, which makes getting in melee range pretty easy, compared to a backstab

>>180371248
It gives 15 each head

>>180371248
>>180371372
Yeah, but i was specifically mentioning "when you kill 2 people"
3 people give 30hp and 16% speed, but -25hp because of the downside means 180hp aka 5 more than base demo

>>180371504
>3 people give 30hp
15*3!=30

>>180371725
i also said 16%, eyelander gives 8% per head, i obviously meant 2 heads.
If you have any counterpoints to what i said in >>180370741 state them, otherwise stop nitpicking on typos

Diamondback needs to have something done about the fact that you can look at a Spy who's disguised and have no idea of his insta-crit potential. I wouldn't bother a head-on fight with any other class who clearly has 100% guaranteed crits, but that decision cannot be made against a Spy unless you just assume every single Spy always has DB crits.

>>180372085
consumes and delivers crits only when undisguised, the way i see it it's a weapon that is meant to be used if you can't run away but you just stabbed/sapped and are forced in a 1v1.
On that note make the enforcer non shit, remove the firing speed penalty and replace it with -75% secondary ammo or something so i think it's 6+6 in reserve

Damn, I should've typed out my email to Valve beforehand, because there's a lot of stuff I forgot to mention, like having tutorials for 6s and improving bots so that people can actually be forced to practice before jumping into games or competitive mode. Also a forced 200 hours played minimum to prevent hackers from jumping into comp, because not a lot are willing to idle that long just to get their griefing kicks. Also probably some other stuff, maybe some Youtube rollout tutorials and other basics.

>>180372327
You can whip up an undisguise - attack script in 5 seconds

>>180372447
you have to be undisguised to .5 seconds then?
that's the time it takes to switch from knife to gun, my goal would be stab->oh shit there's another guy->switch to gun->make him eat a 102 crit.
Anything more would make that reaction impossible, anything less would be too little to react if you use a script

>>180370367
it seemed a weird change when I saw it first, but watch b4nny's video on this - he makes good points on parachute redeployment issue

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i cant wait to abuse the shit out of the new manntreads
land behind enemy nests and fuck the engineer while his little cuck sentry watches and jerks off in a corner
GOD these changes are making me so fucking horny

>>180373335
http://www.strawpoll.me/13248707

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Daily reminder that just not even trying after you lose one round is perfectly okay and acceptable.

>>180373059
I agree that the random deploy-undeploy shit needed to go, but the decreased air control i feel it's a bit too much, can't say for sure how big it is tho, technically the booties have "200%" turn control but you can barely change your course by a couple of meter if you strafe in a single direction for the full charge

>>180373059
banny is a autist who can't deal with new items or strats. please don't listen to him.

>>180363809
I think the proposed Ambt changes are good for now. Af least gunspy has to be more active now. As for sniper, give him a .4-.6 second "wind up" so to speak. Insta quickscopes would do mini-crits for the first half second. It would still give sniper the ability to fight back, but 100 damage is a lot less scary than 150

>>180373656
>Punishing skill

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>>180373396
Daily masked autism incoming;
Every time I lose or die or even if the last point is capped, I immagine I am a polish soldier in the battle of warsaw https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Warsaw_(1920) and that I can push them back, even against all the odds. And this autism has helped me win many times

>>180373631
Yeah, let's listen to people on an anonymous imageboard with completely unsubstantiated opions instead, that's a great idea.

>>180364173
>this post
you're literally everything wrong with this community, fuck off

fuck off faggeta

this is almost as bad as wandernigger's deviantart shit

>>180365435
You have to do that if they're using the Backup too, retard 100+100 < 220

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>The Couple hundred hours I spent getting good with the Amby, literally useless after the changes.

Wew boys. This is gonna be another "great" update.

>>180373906
You have a point, I'll stop avatarfagging

Hey now, at least Fagetta's post was tagentially related to TF2 for once. That deviantart backstory is straight outta some super shitty 80s~90s anime OVA.

>nothing about reviving the BfB
>nothing about reviving the CoCa
>nothing about removing the scorch shit
>nothing about mini sentries
>nothing about fixing the """"""feature"""""" that medic can't US uber out of disguised spies
>nothing about the quick fix
>nothing about the heatmaker
>nothing about the cleaner's carbine

boo

>>180374006
>i spent 100 hours sniping in trade servers instead of just playing sniper

rofl

They're all bad posters

>>180374098
It's not finished, and scorch shot already got semi-neutered by DDS changes. What's wrong with the heatmaker or mini-sentries?

>>180373850
just look at esea s8 dude, battalions and piss.

>>180374000
You're right. I forgot about it though because I never ever see anyone using Backup, but I see Conch all the time.

>>180374006
I don't like the change proposed how it is right now, because I think making anything more luck based rather than skill based is bad for the game, but they still should make ambassador like mini crit on long range instead of full crit while keeping 100% accuracy on the first shot. Spies who c&d with ambassador just to wait for an opportunity when a sniper scopes somewhere else and then suddenly decloak and headshot them from across the map are a problem and when you go for headshots on other classes from far away instead of doing what spy is supposed to then you're a shit tier spy to begin with.

>>180374187
>semi-neutered by DDS changes
not that much really, you still take the full knockback, you can still be pushed off ledges and around corners, even if it does 8 damage and no afterburn.
Now, detonator, that one is getting fucked.

>get killed by someone using the BB
they really need to do something about this item

>>180374187
>mini-sentries
they're both useless and annoying

My autism went off today after I realized the Spy is a support class that hardly supports his team. He is meant to be a flanking pick class, but he sucks at flanking and he sucks at picking, so why not give him more ways to support the team other than poking people in the back? Here's some new weapon types that could be used for that.


Dart Guns: a new type of primary for the Spy. These have slower reloads, slower firing speeds, and do a lot less damage. In exchange, they put debuffs on enemies. The debuff wears off over time, and the gun can not be fired again until the debuff wears off. Could potentially not leave a hit marker, for added sneakiness.

Tranq Gun - A single shot pistol that applies a slowing effect. Movement impairing effects suck, and there's already plenty of weapons that do that, so this could slow things like firing speed or reload speed. Good for neutering that star player on the enemy team.

Tracer Round - Allows everyone to see players through walls. Lets your team take out high priority targets easier. The enemy team would also be able to see their teammate through walls, so as to make it apparent their teammate is traced, but not immediately.

Poison Dart Gun - Applies a bleed-like effect. Something not a sucky as bleed.


New PDAs: Because why bother with the sapper when you could just play Demo?

EMP - A tossable EMP grenade that doesnt disable a sentry, but makes its turn radius slower. Makes it easier for teammates to peek on it and clean it up.

Briefcase - The idea of a class being able to pick up ammo and health packs has been around for a while, most commonly as an ability for the Scout or Heavy. I think the Spy would be well suited for it. Sneak to the enemy side, steal their stuff, and deliver it to your team. Not a sapper in the slightest, because the enemy team wont always have an Engineer. Fill that slot with something useful.

Let the Spy do some actual espionage and sabotage. He is a Spy, after all.

>>180375079
tldr

>>180374187
Heatmaker is bloody useless, the ability is a fucking joke and you can't 1-hit light classes with bodyshots

>>180375170
Im autistic. Spy should have more support tools to make him more useful. Here are some concepts I came up with.

>>180375291
better

>>180374781
det at least take some skill to time getting everyone on fire. I just with that the scorch wasn't so brain dead to do the same thing.

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>baby face's blaster will never be great again
>asteroid will never be in valve server rotation again
>this game will never have actually working comp matchmaking

>>180374748
Your "shit-tier" spy strategy is the Highlander meta for killing the enemy sniper. They gave the sniper a weapon that nullifies the main mechanic of the spy, so they gave the spy a weapon to counter the Razorback in the same update. If the new change goes through HL is just going to be watching sniper v. sniper duels.

>>180375346
>asteroid
this could be the fun stalemate map but valve can't even do a full artpass

>>180374267
S8 was 16 fucking seasons ago. And b4nny wasn't even around then.

>>180360249
lul not even self damage reduction but a explosion resistance gtfo retard

>>180369326
I hope they actually avoid this shithole as much as reddit and listen to people who have informed opinions on the game instead

>>180375586
>21 posters in this thread alone
>Almost 50 thousand hours of playtime combined
But we know jackshit about the game

i need around 2 keys or so, got any advices about how to make some quick metal? i already got around 2.5 key pure, even stuff like buying from a bot for x ref and selling to another for x+1 scrap will work. reason is i dont want to give away my credit cart info to any site and stuff from steam market get locked for 1 week.

>>180375859
rig raffles

>>180375414
I'm still all for spy getting full ambassador crits from close to mid range, but generally I think the more close range spy abilities are the better

>>180375502
Oh god, you're actually retarded I'm sorry I ever attempted to bring something up. Please go back to drooling over awful players opinions and being shit in pubs.

>>180375346
bfb is ok desu.

>>180375586
every community is full of shitters.

>>180375992
I agree. I'm not opposed to nerfing the Ambassador. It's just nerfing it's accuracy is the worst way they could go about doing it.

>>180375803
So, the most popular board with the most people is automatically the most informed? Huh. I did not know that. Reddit might be the smartest community after all.

>>180375947
i already enter high price raffles and shit, getting a craft hat once every two weeks isnt going to help lol, might as well buy keys from market. how could i rig raffles tho? is this a meme or something?

>>180376128
yes, it's a dumb meme

>>180375324
not like hitting scoped snipers is difficult at all but yeah.
It's a shame because i run detonator most-ish of the time and harrassing snipers now it's a thing less that i can do.
They really need to lower the self damage and make it jump a bit higher since DDS snipers can just ignore pyros now

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I HURT MYSELF TODAY

>Base Jumper is nerfed because Valve claims people using it are too hard to hit
>In the same update they plan to give the Mantreads +200% air control when rocket jumping

>>180375280
you can activate the focus even if the bar is not full
no full charge bodyshots sucks too.
maybe buff it up to 130 so that it shots scouts but not medics

>>180376291
Why does sniper get secondaries that completely counter the two worst classes main abilities?

I would rather the Danger Shield stays the way it is now than changed to what Valve proposes.

I detest Snipers and my favorite thing to do in this game is make them miserable with the Scorch Shot.

>>180376291
I run det because of the aoe fire at range. If you time it right everyone will be on fire all the time. The being able to remove stickies is great, the jumps make pyro much better. Badlands for example you can jump to spire from both sides that are raised. Not to mention you can take strange routes that people don't expect pyros to take. It gives pyro some much needed mobility.

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HELLO DARKNESS MY OLD FRIEND

>>180376392
this is something i do not understand, but i also dont disagree with

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>>180376373
to see if I refill

>>180376016
"ok" doesnt mean "trash that littereally no one use" silly

>>180376291
>They really need to lower the self damage and make it jump a bit higher since DDS snipers can just ignore pyros now

they probably will do that, giving pyro more mobility for flank opportunities while not bumping the damage.

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WHEN IT ALL COMES TUMBLING DOWN

>>180376392
>a parachute that lets you hang out for hours in the air and an item that just gives you more air control for normal jumps are the same
Really charges your brain infrastructure

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>>180376517
I've come to shit on you again

>>180376517
>speed buff gone
>bfb useless
I JUST WANT TO SANIC VALVE PLEASE

>>180376392
you can't fire 3 times the clip on stock when falling at manthread speed.

>>180376446
because you can only use one of the two, you give up a support/damage secondary in both cases AND both those classes have a way around them (2-3 revolver shits and flaming/melee the sniper to death, although the flaming part is nerfed now i guess)

>>180376464
that's my reasoning too, low but reliable damage + forcing people to waste medic heal time/packs just to be set on fire again is great.

>>180376586
we can only hope

>>180376581
TIL im no one

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lol

>>180376701
l2jump scrub

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CRAWLING IN MY SKIN

>>180376754
Sapper Ammo?

>>180376754
I don't get it

>>180376754
haha

>>180375280
>Relying on bodyshots
Baddie detected
Hitmaker punishes bodyshots and rewards headshots
Basically just git gud lmao

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STANDING ON THE EDGE OF THE CRATER

>>180376951
the only thing I'll miss after the update

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Discuss.

>>180377102
I like tf2 now
It keeps the normies away

>>180377102
only accurate if you're a returning oldie or fresh install with some knowledge of the game's history

>>180377102
games became serious as people grew up

>>180376775
the fuck does that have to do with anything? there's no reliable way to go over the speed cap now, either gimped bfb or soldier whip
I can play seriously, but if you're dicking around faste=fun, more faste=more fun

>>180377102
Reddit tier humor

>mutated milk and self aware beauty mark are still direct upgrades

>>180377394
>no reliable way to go over the speed cap
You are already the fastest running class in the game.
Either ask a soldier to concheror you, or learn how to not get hit while you are running at the speed of a jet.
the cola is not even the best pairing tool for the BFB, pistol means long range no risk involved boost, while the cleaver will get you a full boost at the cost of being a projectile, while also having a short as fuck recharge rate, now even faster in this update

>>180376906
>rewards headshots
it doesn't even though

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I'm gonna miss you, you beautiful seductress.

>>180377703
>pairing tool
who said using them both?
>just never get hit lmao
if a pistol grazes you half your speed is gone, if you jump half your speed is gone, that's hardly reliable
they should have just kept the original and let you jump once

How many tick are tf2's servers anyway
I could swear my aim's spot on but whether I get kills or not seems to vary massively from match to match

best:
>dr finally becomes what it should be
>ebola gets fucked
>both sandman AND the cancerous guillotine combo get fucked
>pbpp becomes usable
>atomizer rework and hilarious airborne minicrit addition
>MANNTREADS ADVANCING THE ROCKET JUMPING GAME HOLY SHIT
>dds gets fucked and becomes cool
>crossbow getting a much deserving fix
>heavy's nerf is finally reasonable and not just straight up stupid

worst
>ambassador more luck based instead of skill based
>yer becoming more attractive to unskilled players and putting those who can use it at an disadvantage - who seriously thought this is a good idea?
>there's literally nothing wrong with current base jumper air control capabilities, leave that shit alone

damn so it's generally alright, who would've thought?

>>180377414
it was literally posted on reddit lmao

>>180377102
kys nigger

I own a strange ambassador with almost 4000 kills and only have 20 long-distance kills 18 of those were farmer

I own a strange ambassador with almost 9000 kills and only farmed all of them

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S-see you guys on TF2

>>180378131
>>both sandman AND the cancerous guillotine combo get fucked
Sandman deserved a nerf, but the guillotine combo got hit too hard. Something like a +50% change speed or dropping the damage down to base of 40 would have been much better.
t. engie main who likes fucking around with that combo

>>180378085
>let you jump once
you mean literally how it is now?
only air jumps deplete boost
>who said using them both?
the reply chain refers to the cola nerf, since the bfb is unchanged i assumed the guy was whining about the cola + bfb combo
>pistol grazes you, lose half speed
2 pistol shots graze the enemy, you get the boost back.
Literally learn to flank when moving at the speed of sound and run the fuck away if they turn around

>tfw you airblast a scout and they die because their cleaver reflected and crit since they were "stunned"

>>180378090
66
>>180378131
i wonder if the danger shield will keep the 25 hp, otherwise i will ditch it

>>180375859
pls respond

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>>180378605
>tfw this will never be possible again

>>180378556
yes, only airjumps deplete, but original didn't even allow that, adding that on would have made it dumb fun, instead they went full retard
and the original meant both major speed boosts were shit now, not the combo
you can scream "git gud" all you want that doesn't make the bfb not shit
>inb4 BUT ITS NOT GIT GUD

>>180378680
panic attack, pocket pistol and danger shield all have new stats marked as "new design", so burst shots on panic attack, damage vulnerability and fall damage immunity on pbpp, +25 hp and explosive vulnerability on dds won't stay clearly

>>180378958
The speed it's literally gamebraking in pubs.
as long as you spot people first, you will get away, at 0 boost you still run faster than any class but another scout
No one will use it in comp but that's another matter.
>>180379079
RIP danger shield, welcome back jarate, maybe cozy camper if they have 13 heavies on the other team

>>180379079
future danger shield buff: re-added +25 max health
because how often are pyros a problem

>>180379528
afterburn immunity on a class that needs to be accurate is pretty damn strong when theres three scorchfaggots on the enemy team

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But why

>>180379528
scorch shit spam and huntsman gameplay in general

new overused scrub spy loadout
diamondback/l'etranger
YER
dead ringer still

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>>180379783
>Nobody equips the Yer
>Let's nerf it

>>180378327
more like

see you guys on top of the dustbowl skybox

>>180379783
>50% more cloak drain
completely and absolutely fucking worthless
>but muh etranger
basically forced to be used in pair just to offset the downside
>dead ringer
cloak last 3 seconds and take 20 to recharge
>cnd
walk a picometer, meter is drained

>not only does the Mantreads allow for crazy rocket jumping now, they're a big "eff you" to combo Pyros
I love it so much, glad I got a strange professional killstreak pair while they were still cheap. Reminder that they only came from one of those extra rare crates, so theyre gonna soar up in value once people actually want them.

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Is this tf2 hell?

>>180380474
more like a tf2 nursery

>maskettafag is in the game
Yes, it's tf2 hell

: I

>>180380474
last time I played on hoodoo I had 5 spies on the team and we actually won

lemme get ummmmmmmm some goddamn uhhhhhhh

manmelter buffs

>>180380203
>already doubled in value
gotta buy fast

>>180380474
>1 spectator: Jesus
lol

>>180380474
>1 spectator: Jesus
the opposite I think

>>180380474
What suppose to be wrong here?

>>180373771
They've been doing this for years.

>>180380764
>doubled
More like quintupled, they went from 10 ref to something like two keys

>>180377102
Do people do all that much calculation? I just know the damage people can do to me and what I can do them plus where I need to go at all times.

Are people writing calculations out before playing?

>>180380908
>almost all of his team is silver badges
>5 spies
>3 snipers
>only three non-pick classes on his team
gee i wonder

redpill me on the sniper rifle

>>180381662
noscoping is actually viable

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Is this tf2 heaven?

>>180381662
it's good but if you can actually get consistent headshots you should use the heatmaker/bazaar bargain

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Is this tf2?

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Should the Targe get back it's afterburn immunity? It feels like such shit compared to the other two shields.

>>180381789
>3rdscore below two pyros
>more deaths than doms

>>180382068
all shields should feel like shit
it's not allowed to be a viable strategy

>>180382068
>targe
not tide turner

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holy shit you guys were right about strange mantreads
>>180381976
>half the people you were domming had no profile pic
those frags are big but they aren't big enough friend

>>180382310
where does the arrowless implication meme come from
I see /co/ do it a lot but I kind of assumed they were just stray reddos

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>inb4 valve doesnt actually buff the mantreads and all tgose idiots wasted money on nothing

>>180382219
I should've typed fun instead of shit
Screen lets you charge super often and does pretty good bash damage and the Tide lets you have full charge movement.
Targe just gives you meh resistances and nothing else

I really like the dds, the set almost feels cohesive now instead of babby first sniper
>pee rifle for long range pee
>cant pee on yourself so shield makes you fireproof so you dont need double pee
>if you get a pee quickscope finish them of woth the knoif
the bushwaka is still the problem, since no one in their right mind would use the full set instead of just takin jarate

>>180382531
>inb4 valve goes full bipolar and nerfs them instead

>>180382871
>>cant pee on yourself so shield makes you fireproof so you dont need double pee
apparently you can hug a wall and piss on yourself with it

>>180382880
Does anyone even use the mantreads currently for anything other than fashion?

>>180382193
>more deaths than doms
literally false

I wish the Beta was still a thing.

>>180383214
i wish they remembered that they HAVE betas

>>180383214
You mean like the one they did for Meet your Match?

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>stabby's feedback
does he have a point?

>>180383529
I would argue that having 7200 hours on the class makes him LESS qualified to give feedback because hes clearly biased.
I would ask someone with 3 hours on spy but 4000 hours on demo or pyro

>>180383529
>DO NOT REMOVE ACCURACY
>amby literally getting an accuracy buff
st4bby confirmed unable to read

>>180383529
>I would quit, frankly, if such changes were implemented
Here we go with this shit again.

>>180383007
Only with a full charge

>>180383529
>>180383997
> - 1 cancer main
and nothing of value was lost

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>>180381976
No, this is TF2.

>wasting 7200 hours of your life on one of worst classes
He could be aimbot tier sniper or another pipe jesus. Instead of this he choose to be THIS.

>>180383914
I'm still not sure if that's supposed to be an accuracy buff for the first shot on that ~1 sec timer, like Amby currently works, or a 50% accuracy buff in general.

>>180383529
he's obviously right about accuracy aspect of ambassador, dead ringer not sure, but I'm gonna give this a pass considering his experience but the fact that he didn't even address yer which is honestly the worst proposed change in the whole post is just plain wrong considering he's sepaking on behalf of spy mains

>>180383408
I was talking about the Beta that ran from 2010-2013 where they actually tested shit before they shoveled all of the changes into the main game.

>>180383914
>amby literally getting an accuracy buff
pot calling the kettle black wouldn't fit the current situation.
it's more like #000000 calling #FFFFFF black

>>180383529
>7200 hours wasted on a shitter magnet class
>I-I w-w-w-would quit!!!
fuck off spy nigger
gas all spy mains

>>180384207
an aimbot tier sniper with a rightclick that gives 75% damage resistance and a speedboost and invisibility?

>>180384291
They also did one for MYM and they didn't listen to any of the feedback they got while doing it. Betas don't matter if they don't give a shit about it, which was my point.

Didn't Stabby already quit over a DR "nerf" not too long ago? Why does this person think their opinion is relevant?

>>180360320
>>180360491
Yep. The damage you deal with the manntreads is actually the fall damage you would have taken, it's just given to the person you landed on.

>>180383914
>>180384225
first shot and every shot will have 50% of bullet spread that every shot after first shot has now, that's literally making ambassador luck based, because headshots are only viable on the first shot of the weapon right now, but are purely based on your aim whereas they want to make it so you will always have a chance to miss, it's going to be shit and it's an awful way to tackle the current issue

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There are two different types of tf2 players

>>180384741
mr paladin also "quit", it's a ritual among spy mains

Fools need to fix Comp.

Everything else is fine.

>>180384821
>buffing dead ringer
EPIC

>Everything else is fine
>80% of the issues with comp is due to the weapons being reworked right now
What did he mean by this?

>>180384942
lol

>>180384821
>copied stabby's tweet, almost as though he's mocking stabby
is funke really /ourguy/

>>180384776
it's 10+(3*fall_damage)
but yeah

>>180376754
last night i electro sapper medium size ammo box your sister ???

>>180385110
>illiterates think it'll use metal every shot instead of just healing shots

I really hope they don't do what Stabby says. DR and Amby are broken

>>180385110
nice

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GEE I WONDER WHICH HAT HE WANTS

>>180385649
haha xd

>>180385385
>not even using the robe

>>180385649
gottem

>>180374098
The balance changes are a work in progress, and they're withholding the Pyro's changes because he's the focal point of the update.

>>180375079
I'd be fine with these.

>>180383529
>baw give me back muh ringer or I quit :(
see ya faggot

>>180386438
replace last panel with stabby's email

>>180383914
It's getting an accuracy buff compared to the stock accuracy because they are removing the 100% accuracy it had in your first shot. It's a nerf and a buff.

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>>180375079
>EMP
throwable cow mangler alt fire

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>>180386438
Fixed

>>180386695
perfect

>>180386438
Reddit tier humor

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>>180386695
perfect

>>180385110
I didn't bother checking, but for the most part wont it STILL be cheaper than whacking it with your wrench?

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>tfw this is gonna end up in the backpack of some 13 ref value brony

>>180387049
OwO wat diz

>>180387049
These have so little value I always forget to enter.

>>180387020
Considering most RR engilets hump their dispenser, yes.

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here's mine

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>>180387318
>/TF2g/

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>>180387318
>give lunchbox slot
>buff steak to allow shottys
>WM1 family buisness now a thing

Does anyone with 1000+ hours actually unironically enjoy gamemodes that aren't 5cp

I used to love maps like mountainlab but now it all just feels like a corridor where I'm only allowed to walk one direction

Blaris is tf2g's resident Heavy main, though

He is the greatest Heavy in the world after all

I never liked Mountain Lab. A/D and Payload are the worst modes in this game. Even CTF is better, imo. Give me Turdbine over Baddiewater any day.

>>180387318
>proposed balance changes are really good
what the fuck? it's obvious some of those aren't good at all even if mostly it's alright, stop sucking valve's moneydick

>"Lunchbox" loadout slot
what? is this a joke?

>and remove the minigin ramp up mechanic entirely
stopped reading there, this exists in the first place because jumprevving corners was one of the most broken mechanics in the game

fuck you and your shitty opinions

>>180387658
Payload is cool too.

>>180387806
>tf2g's resident Heavy main
>doesn't even come here anymore
you're stuck in the past nigga, just let it go