/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>>180321050
why did you butcher the op in this thread and the last?

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HAK HAK HAK

>the new thread is dead

yeah this general won't last out the year

>>180322052
more like month

>>180321247
so is tachyons still the META against these guys or is Kinetic Artillery the new GOAT?
Related to the KA, is the Giga Cannon even worth it on a battleship?
>two KA vs. 1 GC on a battleship

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reposting because end of thread last time
>be playing as sophons
>UE start on the other end of my constellation
>initially bitter rivals during the colonization rush
>i pay my dues and eventually we mellow out
>going for science victory, but have an intense lust for blood, hatch a plan
>i pay my dues with the ue, start researching alliance tech
>once he really warms up to me, i propose an alliance and he accepts
>he immediately declares war on fishtits, am pleased
>start feeding him high-tier military, strategic, and industry techs
>vodyani is in the constellation between us and fishtits, the two have been in a war since the dawn of time
>since she's desperate, instantly invite her into the alliance
>i literally haven't made a military ship all game, i've just been researching and giving the tech away like candy
>conquering the galaxy purely through proxy wars
>mfw

i haven't had this much fun being a gigantic sack of shit since roving clans
goddamn i can't wait to play sophons in multiplayer

>>180322861
fuck outta here with your memerunes

>>180322861
Love the memerunes

>>180322861
>treeniggers on the opposite side of the galaxy
you lucky bastard

>page 9 in 10 minutes
What the FUCK?

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>>180323373
dunno what i would've done if they started closer; luckily they're wedged in between horatio and the cravers, so they haven't been too relevant

a bit worried about the cravers, though, since they have a full 700 more score than me - pretty sure they control all of the huge chuck out to the west that i haven't explored

>>180323153
>>180323191
it makes starports and notifications confusing as shit
kinda makes me more hype about making meme rune localization mod

>>180325138
ded general

>>180325384
That's not dead general.

>>180325187
>immediately after the post there's a whiteknight sucking their cock.

Paradox must be laughing, their last two games are utter shit with dreadful AI, they've fucked over huge swathes of the planet with ridiculous DLC pricing, and they still get whiteknights defending everything they do.

>>180325674
Why do you think they never get out of Paradox Plaza, which is restricted to their hugbox anyway?

>>180325749
>Why do you think they never get out of Paradox Plaza
who never gets out of paradox plaza?

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Please do not bully the Riftborn.

>>180325794
The devs. You can count on one hand how many time they left Paradox Plaza for an uncontrolled envirronement.

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>>180325187

>>180325867
You don't know shit.
Even Johan says mana because of /gsg/ and has mentioned 4chan by name

>>180326001
You just proved you have no idea how the world work.

>>180322552
lance a shit. KA all the way. Giga ok but KA>Giga

>>180326059
You're delusional

>>180326287
Is that how you treat your customer, Wiz?

>>180326380
dat cognitive dissonance

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Are there any new 4x games coming that can save the general?

>>180326478
everyone on the east coast of burgerland is tuckered out from playing ES2 and needs to sleep for work

no one exists in midwest/west coast burgerland that goes here

>>180326631
It slep time bunner

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Let's see if I can help revive this damn place
Choose who the AIs should be.

>>180327096
Team 2 Ghandi

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Here's my current picks, any objections?

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what
I thought I couldn't get this event because I'm pacifist
guess the ethics in the list referred to pops

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The war does not go well boys. Ever since the extra dimensional horror pulled itself into my universe it has slowly been consuming worlds. Its already consumed three empires. My federation declared war on it to protect the galaxy but its mulched our fleets. I just now finished rebuilding but my federation members have not. I think were going to need to pull in a fallen empire but none of them have awakened yet and probably wont for a long while.

>>180327645
Changed Mehmed II to Washington because on second thought we need to ebin Americans here too

>>180328073
What mod is that thing?

>>180328073
what mod?

>>180327645
>Hitler
>Lenin
>King Kong Il
>no Stalin
Shit mod.

>>180328702
Well Stalin's there, I just put Lenin on instead. Should I change Lenin to Stalin? I already started but I could probably relaunch if you want.

>>180328675
>>180328676
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=902526212

This one mixed with a mod my friend is making. That lets the extradimensional horror pull its self through and spawn the empire with a huge free maintenance fleet. It still needs tweeking. I'll link it once he uploads it somewhere and says its ready.

>>180329810
will it interact in any special way with the worm?

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Well since nobody's answering ;_; I guess I'll just continue
Here's our start. I like caves.

>>180328991
Nah, keep on. Tell us how it went.

>>180330525
yeah I just restarted the program to force borderless fullscreen, shit was lagging when I was trying to take screenshots otherwise

>>180330635
Sorry for the delay, I'm going to sleep.

>>180330382
Oh right, quick note
I have literally no fucking idea why they did this, but the weird log icon in the bottom left next to Caves / Plains is food (it's supposed to be a ham), and the rock is hammers. I have no idea what the fuck was wrong with the original but there you go.

>>180330706
;_;
W-well I'll keep posting for a bit

>be me
>colonizing like a only a robot boss can. It's ok tho because I have forced religious happiness.
>something happens
>now the pacifists are in control
>religious mind control law over
>my 43 systems make my robots unhappy due to expansion penalty
>anarchy
>democracy
>anarchy
>federation
>anarchy
>dictatorship
>anarchy
>federation
>anarchy
>democracy
>and by the way 35 of your planets are being invaded by land forces you can't beat.
>lose every fight
>I now control 7 shitty systems spread out all over the universe.
So is this GfuckingG?

I'm so frustrated that this happened. Everything was super fine, and I was Terra-forming everything to be barren to only allow robot life. My custom species was set to religious and both industry and war made them more religious too, so it was fucking foolproof until some god damn event.

Is there a way to prevent this?

>>180330130
The worm in waiting? No idea. Hes not telling me much about it just asked me to play the game and report what happens.

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>>180330382
Aight so, for people who don't know what C2C is
Observe the top right and notice the date.
Anyway so, since I start on caves, I research Nomadic Lifestyle. I do this because Nomadic Lifestyle leads directly to Cave Dwelling, which is very important to get rid of the Housing (Homeless) you see was automatically built in my first city, and gain the massive buffs having caves next to me should give.
You'll also notice that my unit has a 'promotion' that gives it +1 movement at the cost of strength. I'm using this because early game, scouting is more important than fighting, and because aggressive animals don't spawn until later (and this guy can't beat them anyway). There's another version that's +2 movement for -50% strength, but it's too risky because he'll get unironically killed by a monitor lizard.
I'm also building an Alpha Male, because it gives me an early hammer, and in C2C's early game the hammer is king - food just gets wasted by Unhealth, and there's no easy ways to boost commerce.

>>180330920
building redundant happiness buildings is an effective, though somewhat expensive, method of combatting overexpansion penalty
also, if you're planning on going as wide as 25+ planets, you should try not to over-rely on the religious forced contentment law because events and shifting game states can force it out of the government - especially since the religious party is obnoxiously difficult to get in power
don't knock the transvine system improvement - 25 happiness is a lot, and two instances of it in your improvement plans means it just nullified the effects of 5 whole systems over the cap

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>>180331493
Got a free healer unit from a goodie hut. Healer units obviously heal your troops, but more importantly, they can reduce disease. Since a Wise Woman is a shit-tier early game healer, she can't do much - but it's still better than nothing.

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>>180330382

>>180332189
I laughed at this.

I'm so immature.

>>180332041
So animals have started spawning. This means that next turn, I'm taking off his fast movement promotion, as he might fokken die to raccoons otherwise.
Also, in between this shot and the last, another goodie hut gave me Language, the other starting tech choice; this means I made my first civic change so my people are speaking in, well, speech, instead of grunting.

>>180332189
>when someone's paying enough attention to make OC
Yay!

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>>180332436
oh fug I'm a tard

>>180332546
>research : nomadic lifestyle
...? But weren't the first homo sapiens hunter gatherers, so already nomadic?

>>180332709
It's just the starting tech. The other one is Language, which doesn't make any goddamn sense either since language is generally thought to be Homo Erectus or earlier. Gathering and Scavenging are also early beeline techs which makes no sense.

what do you guys usually do in 4x games when you lose a big ass battle and lost most if not all of your units?
just try to rebuild new fleet ASAP and try to win or just try to surrender?

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>Researching titanic weapons
>Attitude: Impious

As if a fucking dimensional horror invading the galaxy is not enough.

>>180332806
It's dumb. It's like researching a tech to figure out how to sweat or stand.

>>180332856
I rebuild them ASAP, because otherwise other AIs will use the occasion to fuck you up.

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>>180332546
We've finished our first building; there is now a huge chinese guy in the middle of the tribe taking Wu's ass every morning. Now, I'm going to start working on an Alpha Female, but in reality this is just putting the hammers to use; as soon as Nomadic Lifestyle is researched, the build of greatest import is the Wanderer, which moves fast (ergo a scout) and has a defensive bonus against animals.

>>180332856
It depends on the game. Older games often have no way to come back, so you might as well GG and give up.

Newer games have comeback mechanics, like
>other races befriend you because you are weak and no threat to them.
>small races get huge boost to economy/tech
>smaller races can win fights though stupid ammounts of micro.

If you are playing an older 4x...just give up. Or stellaris. In stellaris each "war" has one real fight, that then decides who will win that war. You can only war once every 10 years and you can't take more than like 10 planets per war.

Stupid mechanic to compensate for the pointless combat mechanics imo.

>>180333027
>there is now a huge chinese guy in the middle of the tribe taking Wu's ass every morning
Oh my.

>>180321050
>that pic
WTF I am fond of pigs now!

>>180332189
kek

>>180333027
>the build of greatest import is the Wanderer
https://youtu.be/IkoidwsLXCg

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>>180333027
Now! Exciting things.
First off you'll notice my city is no longer a one-tile thing. In C2C, you need 80 Culture to have a city radius at all. Now that it's expanded, the city is able to actually work tiles.
Furthermore, I've selected the Evolving Leaders option with Start with No Traits. This means leaders gain positive and negative traits over time.
Right now I'm going to take humanitarian. By giving myself more health, I can leverage my Caves to grow to actual complete health very quickly, and begin growing a hundred or more turns ahead of schedule. This obviously puts me ahead of the competition caves fucking broken as shit

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>>180333690
Also, witness the shithole that is the Tribe of the Chinks.

>>180333542
Chinese m8 can't go on Youtube
What's it about, just a song or something?

>>180333847
>Chinese m8
gook, is that you?

>>180333847
>need a technology to figure out how to live in caves

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>>180333847
>goodie hut gives me 210 research towards Cave Dwelling
Epic
Also, notice why I call it broken. This is in an era where +1 hammer takes 10+ turns to build and there's not that many buildings to begin with. This is for FREE. The other two "housing" autobuildings, Tree Hollow and Animal Burrow, give nothing and +1 unhealthiness respectively - better than the +2 unhealthiness Housing (Homeless) gives, but a far cry from what this is giving me. And it's free.
We move to Gathering now, which is the equivalent of Farming. You'll notice there are no resources visible on the map (the things that might look like them are actually map features that allow certain buildings in your cities). Gathering reveals a shitton of agricultural and otherwise "lol just lying there" resources.

>>180333932
No it's PRCanon from /gsg/.

>>180333972
I mean it's dumb but

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Are there any kinky Civilization mods?

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>>180334289
>when there's nothing left to build so you start building wonders
Also I'm growing already, which is borked as fuck.

>>180335131
>chinks
>growing milennia ahead of everyone else
historically accurate mod

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>>180335131
>when the Neanderthals are living gods

>>180335447
Don't speak so fast

>>180335131
What kind of wonders are around in 47000 BC, Large Fire?

>>180335559
Well actually the Great Firepit is a national wonder and Captured Fire is a world wonder, but I'm not allowed to build it yet because I don't know what fire is.
It's a cave system, honestly it's not even so much a wonder as spending hammers for a right to have say "the caves next to me are ACTUALLY these really cool caves and not just random shitty caves".

>>180335559
the sphinx :^)

>>180335632
>the Great Firepit is a national wonder and Captured Fire is a world wonder
That's amazing.

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>>180335550
oh dam
I have Barley, which is okay, and LEMONS, which is amazing, as it permanently disables Scurvy outbreaks / autobuilds for my ships / cities.
Now, notice the gatherer sitting on the barley. Gatherers are Workers, with two differences - firstly, they're girls and kind of hot for being low-poly models. Secondly, they're consumed when they build, as presumably they sit there picking at the ground forever or some shit. I got a free gatherer from a goodie hut, and Gathering gives you a free gatherer (or two, if you're the first to discover it).

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>>180335946
My bad Captured Fire is a national wonder
Still a damn good one though

>>180335946
>Secondly, they're consumed when they build
I always hated it. I get it that I'm not supposed to have a great big infrastructure this early in the game but fucking hell it's bad enough that they work so slowly. At least they're quick to make.

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>Been doing a riftborn playthrough over time.
>Gradually stagnate as the planet I need to go to for the main quest is across the entire fucking galaxy in an 8 player map.
>Neighbors are UE and Vodyani, so not really in a good position to make allies.
>Getting really tired of just micromanaging my systems and researching the time away.
>Decide fuck it and start a Cravers playthrough.
>Start relatively close to Sophons.
>Decide to take it upon myself to be the hero of the galaxy for the time being.
>Progressing on quest well, research going well, military stronk and getting stronker.
>Suddenly the game is actually fun.
Did I fuck up the riftborn playthrough or are 4x games just not for me? Because while I like the empire aspect but at the same time it feels kinda boring if there isn't at least SOME conflict involved.

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>>180336360
Quiet lately
I picked up Scavenging, my city borders expanded again, the other gatherer is busy grabbing the Lemons, and I've delayed building the wonder in favor of building really cheap buildings with culmative effects like +1 food.

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>>180338085
OH SHIT LADS LOOK WHO IT IS
Ok I'm going to leave this question for an hour or so before continuing while I go and get some food, please tell me what to do - does his head look good on the end of a pike, bad on the end of a pike but that's where it belongs anyway, or does he get to keep his head before the Son Daughter of Heaven?

>>180338517
Sounds too early for war. Unless expansion is at stake or he some REALLY nice resources there's no much reason to kill that dirty fucking gook.

PRAISE THE ONE TRUE CRAB GOD!

>>180338616
Mind you "war" here doesn't mean I'm going to build any real military units, just be aware; the idea is, do I ruin our relations, or do I play nice?

>>180338517
>Nomad
wtf?

>>180338757
Play nice for now. Don't seem like there's much to gain from antagonizing him (besides laughs).

>>180338517
Remember I'm still waiting guys

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What mechanices and factions would you like to see in future ES2 expansions ?
We really need shit like spying

>>180340153
I want trading companies, space stations, spying, diplomacy...

any tip on how to play as Commonwealth in Stellaris?
tried it twice and on both playthough I keep getting cockblock by fallen empire who just hate me for being near them

>>180340419
don't go near xenophobic FE's

>>180340153
>Spying
>Play UE deciding I only want imperials
>Lumeris sends a spy
>HowDoYouDoFellowImperials.jpg

>>180338517
Guess I'll keep going then

>http://www33.zippyshare.com/v/v1I1RVmc/file.html
COMPLIMENT THIS

>>180340153
Why is Horatio so ugly?

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>>180341434
The first World Wonder to ever grace the earth now lies in the Shithole of Luoyang! Long Live the Empress-Cocksleeve!

>>180341562
?

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>Asteroid heading right for my new colony
>Fleet is to far away
>Resign myself to accepting their death
>Federation buddy swoops in to save the day

Space friends are nice.

>>180341923
The Asteroid thing is dumb as fuck
Literally today we have a massive catalog of NEOs and their orbits.

>>180341727
DO IT

>>180341976
This is true but look at my planet list. It was a new colony. Cant expect them to keep track of all the space rocks when they are still trying to set up farms.

>>180341727
What mod is this?

>>180342086
No that I get I just think it's dumb when it's literally your home planet
>2300
>Earth, Greater Delhi-Beijing
>EXTINCTION EVENT TIER ASTEROID COMING OUR WAY SIR
>WE ONLY HAVE A MONTH TO STOP IT!!!

>>180342179
Caveman 2 Cosmos lad

>>180341976
There is literally nothing we could do against a comet with a highly elliptical orbit coming from the opposite side of the Sun. It's basically Game Over. They cannot be found ahead of time.

>>180342270
Asteroids are not LTCs.

>>180342214
Do you recommend it? I was thinking of going back and playing some civ 4 with mods.

>>180342319
Sure? I'm playing it right now. Bloated as fuck though, and it WILL lag you to shit.

>>180342298
Give them time to cook is all.

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>>180341727
Hahaha oh shit
I'm sorry I declared war on Kim in the end anyway, it was too delicious, he had a Gatherer next to me escorted by some scouting faggot
I was expecting to just capture the gatherer but I got a fucking Civilian Captive
aka
FREEEE FUCKING POPULATION
ON TOP OF THE IMMINENT GOLDEN AGE GIVING ME EXTRA GROWTH
FORGET 2 POP I'LL BE AT 3 POP FOR FIFTY TURNS BEFORE ANYONE EVEN HITS 2

>>180343841
>"Anarchy!!!"
>three exclamation marks

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>>180343841
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA ITS HERE

>>180343986
Probably because my actual government form is called Anarchy right now. Somehow.

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I wish I could stop playing 4X games.

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>>180321050
>That feeling when you spawn near a Militant Isolationist Fallen Empire.

>>180344521
I wish I could enjoy RPGs.

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>>180344834
Y-You go guys.
I believe in you.

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>>180344096
I've gained my second trait. For this, I took Creative, and Megalomaniac as my drawback- note that Creative and Megalomaniac aren't purely good or bad traits. I've also finished researching weaving; despite this, the weaver's hut won't be buildable until much later simply because the materials needed won't actually be obtainable until then.

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>>180345172
Wonders in the World: 2
Wonders built by China: 2
Year: 40 000 BC
Also, I'm tired as fuck. I'm going to rest for a bit, might continue this tomorrow or the day after.

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>>180333271
>newadmiral.png
I'm annoyed that the new admiral doesn't get traits like cybernetic or psi if the empire researched those techs.

You see this cruiser that I got in an event, digging it up from a newly founded colony's ocean? Beautiful. Except it has wormhole ftl while my entire fleet has psi-jump drives.

>>180326896
Why were we put here?
Just to suffer?
Every night, I feel my feels.

>>180345172
Is this c2c?

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>AI tells me they're nervous about my fleet on their "border"
>offer a peace treaty
>they reject it

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>>180344941
If I could post a crying emoji wth a gun to it's head in this post.

I would.

>>180346169
yupper
I've been posting it the whole thread but it slep time bunner now

>>180346498
Good luck, I hope you're the first person to ever complete a full game of c2c

>>180346325
The Lumerian cries out in pain has she stabs you in the back.

>>180346548
Doing a google, looks like at least a half a dozen people have claimed to finish games of c2c. Ranging in 100 to 120 hour playthroughs.

>>180346737
Are they scripted to backstab? Because I will have like twice their military and they'll still backstab me.

>>180346813
I managed to reach the medieval era equivalent years ago. Completing a full game is amazing

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>>180344941
>>180346427
Don't worry anon, one day you'll get your revenge and it will be one of the sweetest fucking feelings ever.

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>>180346883

>>180346813
They won, they didn't finish the game.

>>180346956
So they're *rubs hands*, got it.

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>>180346913
Turns out the fucks were pissed off about some fucking tiny Frontier Outpost and not some colony I had near them.


And to think I wanted to play as a Xenophilic, Pacifist, Egalitarian UN.

My first FIrst Minister also died the very same day the Fallen Navy entered the Sol System. Probably killed herself out of grief or had a heart attack. No these fucks want 10% of my pops and to humilliate me even tho I already blew up the outpost.

>>180347003
I haven't played a game where they didn't backstab so Lumeris might be scripted but I can't say for sure.

>>180347042
Time to go full Earth Alliance and turn into a dictatorship because of this,

>>180347042
It was the dawn of the third age of mankind – ten years after the Earth-Minbari War.

The Babylon Project was a dream, given form. Its goal: to prevent another war, by creating a place where humans and aliens can work out their differences peacefully. It's a port of call – home away from home – for diplomats, hustlers, entrepreneurs, and wanderers.

Humans and aliens, wrapped in two million, five hundred thousand tons of spinning metal . . . all alone in the night.

It can be a dangerous place, but it's our last best hope for peace.

This is the story of the last of the Babylon stations. The year is 2258. The name of the place is Babylon 5.

>>180347184
The b5 intros are so cheesy but still really good.

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>>180321050
I am stuck at a Vodyani quest to build an Academy of the Virtual Saints. I already built an academy embassy ages before reaching that quest so its not that building.

Does anyone know what the solution is? Did the quest just bug out for me or am I missing something?

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>>180347358
Can you destroy the building then rebuild it?

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>>180347142
>>180347184
>>180347042
It begins.

>>180347609
I could try but I am not even sure thats the correct building. It doesnt even have the same name as the one mentioned in the quest but no building does. Its just the closest one that I found.

>>180348134
I guess look through research and see if the building is there?

>>180347358
You should have gotten the Academy of Virtual sains as a reward for quest.

Do you currently control the real academy? I seem to remeber it be required for accomplishing both branches of Vodyani quest.

>>180348203
>>180348538
I figured it out. The building is called Academy of Virtual Purity instead of the name the quest indicates. I didn't have to control the academy at the moment, but I have had an ark there in the past so I do not know if this influenced anything.

https://hydra-media.cursecdn.com/dota2.gamepedia.com/c/c7/Undying_lasthit_02.mp3

whats the cheesiest victory you can grab on the higher difficulties of ES2? I assume economy doesn't work that well with all the bonuses the AI gets.

>>180350457
Nah, economic is still it. AI is not really making good use of trade routes compared to what a knowledgeable player can accomplish.

>>180350457
Economic victory is still broken easy to achieve on Endless difficulty. Despite the AI bonuses they're still not good at optimizing trade routes. You'll probably get one or two "nearing victory" warnings for fucking AI Cravers due to combined difficulty and depletion bonuses, but once you get your own trade routes going you'll surpass them easily. For added cheesy bonus get Pacifists leading the senate and peace treaties with everyone, because the AI are easy as shit to bribe friendly for the entire game.

>>180350515
>>180350829
I suppose fishtits is the best in that regard?

>>180351182
Trees can also let you snowball because of food gains.

>>180351182
Obviously. They have +Dust pops, their quest gives fucking +7 / turn on every single luxury deposit (that you can sell to market and use the Dust to upgrade trade routes even more) and they can build one additional trade route. You'll be swimming in Dust and hitting 999 cap of luxury resources every few turns, even if you don't buy luxury resource freighters. Unfallen are also good for economic victory due to starting with Pacifists in the senate and having pretty much permanent empire wide Ecstatic (for +30% Dust bonus).

Not that Economic victory is even remotely hard with any other faction either, those two are just even better at it.

>>180338085
>That Twilight cover technology

>>180345596
What mod are you using for that shipset?

>>180347042
>>180347184
>they fight bravely
>they know they will die anyway so is this bravery, or mere desperation?

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http://www92.zippyshare.com/v/6AWq5jNd/file.html
moar?

Alright I got tired of ES2 being buggy and downloaded Endless Legend

how do I play it

>>180354646
>how do I play it
Slowly. At first, very slowly. Manual in the OP, so is the wiki.

>>180354694
>manual link is dead, and wiki is missing information for the most recent expac

>>180355150
The manual link works for me.

>>180355150
no it is not
>>180355150
>wiki is missing information for the most recent expac
Feel free to fill it.

If you have any questions there plenty people here who can answer.

Is there ever a reason not to get Mercenary Market in EL?

>>180354306
Can anybody confirms this works fine?

>>180355484
Generally you want it every game, but sometimes, very rarely, you don't have excess dust or resources and as such you can't take advantage of it. I haven't played EL in quite a while so I can't give you a solid example, but ES2 I sometimes skip it when playing factions that focus away from dust like riftborn and empire because I'm simply not making enough dust and lux to bothe trading it.

>>180355739
Thanks, thats what I was suspecting. Passing up governers just seems too much of a sacrifice for most games.

>>180355794
Cultists can do without it if they don't want to try and make heroes lead armies.

did anyone get anything on the gog sale? And will you be getting something on the steam sale?
Personally I got expeditions: conquistadors, elven legacy, heroes of annihilated empires and fantasy general.
Thinking of getting ultimate general: civil war, pike and shot, omerta, maybe steel division too

>>180356519
I might pick something up from the Steam Sale, my backlog is far too big at the moment though

Could someone share this awesome mod with us?
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=948883955

Is there a git gud guide to EL anyway. I'm kind of shit at it and I have 50 hours in it too.

>>180357743
Complete each faction main quest.

>>180357743
I don't think there is a good "how to win" guide. Not that I know of. Here's some videos explaining topics people have trouble grasping, but it's not a proper guide as it were. There is also a number of steam guides on various topics.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLa53kfJdPTHCyWFQi02JSD64RZ-milhmO

But ultimately you just have to git gud as it were. What problems are you having?

>>180344834
>>180344941
What graphics and ship packs are you using?

>>180321050
Are there different outros on factions depending on which route you went during their quest?

>>180358189
Thanks, I'll give them a watch.
I'm having trouble with not falling behind

>>180356702
BUMP

>>180358556
That usually means you are failing in either buiding prioritisation or expansion planning.

Who do you play and when do you usually fall behind?

>>180358723
I've tried nearly all of the vanilla factions and around era 2.

>>180358495
Each ES2 faction has one victory outro movie, but different voiced narration depending on whether you
-didn't complete the Academy quest or completed it on Defender side
-completed the Academy quest on Rejuvenator side
United Empire is the only exception and they technically get three outro movies, but it only changes Zelevas' uniform depending on whether you went UE / Sheredyn / Mezari path. The narration again depends on the outcome of the Academy quest. You can open the .xml subtitle files normally and they're stored in the same path as the video files themselves.

>>180358838
Thanks

>>180356702


Are you that same annoying cunt from the other day who kept pretending to be multiple people and went on for hours and hours begging for someone to upload this mod?

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>>180358838
>unfallen are the only ones happy that the lost are back

>>180358912
No, I wasn't begging for the same mod, but I guess we are not alone wanting this.
So gif?

>>180358961
Yeah. What bothers me the most about the Academy quest is that it seems the Unfallen are literally the only faction who could have a real motive for siding with Isyander's scheme considering their Heart is a Lost as well. All other Rejuvenator side faction outros are basically
>"lol we just resurrected gods for NO RETURN whatsoever, let's ignore them and let them do their thing / let's try to surpass them anyways"
Fuck, the Riftborn and Craver endings in particular basically say that they simply don't care. Kind of beats the point of picking Rejuvenator side, doesn't it?

>>180358769
Usually I'd recommend playing vaulters until you can curbstomp Endless AI with them but since you already seem to have some experience, I would instead advise faction you enjoy playing most and not switching to others from it until you are very comfortable with it. This is because while there are similarities expansion and development patterns, are different for different factions but tend to be more or less the same. between games of the same faction. 2nd era is pretty early so I advice making sure you follow this general rules in early game:
1) Minor factions can be of great benefit. If you can snag one with an easy quest prioritise that region for expansion.
2) Build your capital in industry rich area. Not having enough industry can be an early game death sentence for a run.
3) Try to have your first expansion just after your first empire plan.
4)Make sure you have strong enough army to deal with any interference from neutrals/AI

Once you can reliably follow these your playstyle should noticeably improve. If you tell us your preferred faction someone might be able to provide more detailed advise.


>>180358495
In endless games - there are different bonus and narrative results of faction quests but but oucome of campaign at large is usually inflenced by meta story, assuming you win of course.

>>180359256
Thanks anon, already from those videos I've found something that'll improve how I've been playing (don't beeline anomalies with districts, make sure your districts level) and I'll try to focus on industry a lot more for my capital.

I don't really have a favourite faction yet, but I'll take your advice for Vaulters as I try to git gud.

>>180359251
Here are some factions that might follow rejuvinator side narratively:

Heretic Vodyani
Rage against machine Cravers
Pacifist riftborn
I'm sure there are other factions for whom it would make sense, but I haven't yet finished ever faction so who the hell knows.

But gameplay wise I agree, the whole thing feels halfway cooked.They probably should introduce scaling rewards based on how many people are in your faction vs total players and joining factions should be done publicly in order of score so that you could have insentive to join faction opposite of your enemies.

>>180359251
>>180358838
are the subtitles released somewhere? I don't have the time to play through all the options myself and I don't know where to look for the exact .xml files

>>180356702
We ask any fellow chinese to help out a kin and upload it.
請

>>180359574
I think gameplway wise they should tone the number of lodestone systems way down. If it was just 1-3 star systems in the center of the galaxy it would actually feel like king of the hill instead of "whack-a-mole with stars".

>>180359635
...steamapps\common\Endless Space 2\EndlessSpace2_Data\StreamingAssets\Movies\Factions

>>180359760
I am not sure what the number currently is and whether or not it scales with galaxy size, but I disagree with the idea that low number of systems is good.

This quest is supposed to be the culmination of the meta story. IT should feel galaxy spanning the sides should have to fight tooth and nail to accomplish it.

Last time I bothered with it I really liked how I had to deal with multiple AI's some of whom hostile having lodestones in their areas of inflence. To accomplish it I had to bribe some of them, outright declare war on others etc. And I thinks that's the way it should be. The biggest problem right now is that AI isn't active enough in it and thus it feels like you are doing a solo quest.

In an MP game or against a decent AI it would take way less effort from any one player since there are others trying to accomplish the same goals, hence idea of rewards scaling with number of participants.

>>180359635
Endless Space 2 > EndlessSpace2_Data > StreamingAssets > Movies

>>180360048
>>180360083
Thanks a lot

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Well? Who should I play first?

>>180359574
Yeah, the biggest issue with Academy endgame is how pointless it is gameplay wise. Sure, it has three whopping cutscenes dedicated to it and also changes your own faction's outro movie narration, but the actual rewards are so minuscule they may as well not be there.

>1000 Dust, 800 Science, 75 of Adamantium or Anti-Matter (fucking second tier strategic resource)
>no changes in the galaxy
>that's literally fucking it

No point whatsoever in dropping whatever you're currently doing. In comparison EL's final quest was a victory condition that won you the game if you completed it first. If not outright victory, ES2's endgame Academy quest should at least give some sort of massive unique rewards or pose big maluses on the losers so you'd actually have some incentive to participate.

The quest itself also triggers way too late in comparison to non-militaristic victory conditions and the game is pretty much always already over before the last step triggers unless you're purposefully delaying your own victory.

>>180360556

vaulters and wild walkers are the babbymode no effort factions

>>180360605
That's not quite true. Playing either right is very hard, much the same as other factions. The reason they are good for newbies is that playing them wrong is hard too.

>>180360556
if you click on your faction portrait you get brought to a more in-depth faction select screen
if you don't know shit about EL, wild walkers and vaulters are the most basic factions; once you learn how to play the game properly with one of them, choose whichever faction you like the sound of most

>>180360556
Wild Walkers are the easiest faction for beginners. Their Industry bonus is really easy to understand and something that is always useful no matter what you're doing and their starting ranged units are fantastic, easing early game fights as well. Vaulters are also on the easier to grasp side, but their Holy Resource mechanic and Technolover trait on all their units are more non-standard.

Also, Mezari are literally just a Vaulter reskin, they have the same main quest, units, techs, unique abilities etc.

>>180359574
What do we even know about the lost other than that the endless murdered them to take control of Dust? I havent played the Vodyani heretic side or any of the Unfallen campaign so I dont know if they reveal anything

The academy quest also sucks because it screws over hero recruitment and thats a very interesting part of the game.

>>180360605
>>180360826
>>180360862
It just struck me that basic factions of EL are basically dwarves and elves. I find this rather hillarious.
>>180360962
From Vodyni Heretic arc: apparently the Dust, in it's origianla form was part of the Lost physical form, probably after virtualisation of their own, tho that's me speculating . So they the endless din't simply kill them to control it they did so to gather dust from the corpses as it were.

Haven't played Unfallen either so can't comment about what can be learned from their quest..

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>>180360962
I haven't completed the Vodyani faction quest (neither path) even once because their last chapters have such ridiculous demands. Unfallen faction quest doesn't reveal anything other than that their Heart is a Lost survivor, but the Unfallen themselves don't know what its motives are either. The quest ends at pic related.

>>180361189
>It just struck me that basic factions of EL are basically dwarves and elves.
It's humans and elves.

>>180361375
Pardon me but:

>Live underground
>Worship Minerals
>Obsessed with tech

All sound more dwarwen to me than human.

I think roaming clans are human. Unless you think humans are represented by BDSM fairies, which is a distinct possibility in my mind too.

>>180361249
The Church Vodyani side is basically them being extremely intolerant of any form of questioning their faith, or even philosophical discussion and explanation of it to lesser races. They grow ever-so-fanatical and the church is extremely oppressive towards anyone who does not follow the orders perfectly to the letter, and it just ends with them proclaiming the supremacy of their church and how it is their divine right to do whatever the fuck they want as they become the new gods. We learn nothing about the Lost other than they are considered demons that spout heresy.

No idea what the heretic one is like.

>>180356702
I didn't now about this but I want it know!

>>180361483
Dwarves don't obsess with tech, they obsess with gold which can lead to better tech. And there are 0 dwarf units in Vaulters, while there is a minor faction of literal gold-obsessed dwarves.

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Amplitude forums are fun.

>>180362819
Eh, at least each patch usually actually fixes something.

>>180362819
>>180363102
Coincidentally steam just pushed a patch to the main ES2 branch for me. 633 MB

>>180356702
my gf wont let me have this
can you help out a bro?

>>180363218
Just fucking buy the game and pirate DLCs.

>>180363213
Patch notes:
https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/blogs/537-update-1-0-18-the-stellar-prisoner

>>180363303
I have the game but my gf locked me out of my account
she wants to play together and make me stop anime but i want to make a stand

>>180363303
A lot of countries including the likes of Russia are under embargo and don't have access to western products.
The more you know.

Now will you play nice and upload it or keep whining like a tard?

>>180347042

The game is clearly not realistic when it comes to humans.

All OP needed to do (if the game was realistic) was to prove that the demise of his foes would make lots of money to the kikes. The FE would fall during the next 5 years. Not sure how but it would (a fleet of 300 million would magically appear).

>>180363493
You are a ching chong, murder your gf and ditch her corpse in a river. The cops will never care because it's hard to search for corpses.
>>180363684
Nice try retard. But Russia isn't under embargo, select few russian individuals are.

>>180363684
The average Russian isn't embargoed and I doubt we have any North Korean or Syrian posters.

>>180363863
>>180363957
>Russia isn't under embargo, select few russian individuals are.
That's bullshit and you know it. There are constant stupid embargoes against Russia, especially from the EU that achieve literally nothing but annoyance and further self-sufficiency of the Russian market.

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>>180363321
>fixed unfallen home system not having a bonus of 1000 system manpower
whelp, the trees are now literally unconquerable until you get planet crackers

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>>180345527
>when bear grylls is a great hunter
Also, tragedy - someone has built a wonder I haven't gotten to yet. Gone are my dreams of wonder hording to infinity and beyond.
Notice what I'm building right now. Culture buildings are ways to gain access to unique units and buildings, like normally civilizations has on their own. In C2C, Culture buildings are how you get these (they're World Wonders) - otherwise, you get more or less fuckall.

>>180359651
>>180358593
>>180361754
>>180363218
没有人帮你你就差不多就可以了,有时候就是没人有这意思。

>>180363957
>>180363863
That's not how embargos work; if anything, select few Russians are the ones who are not under embargo.

>>180364109
You can literally google it, unless you're a russian industrial company, an Oligarch or living in Crimea you're not affected by software sanctions. It takes all of 5 seconds to find out what the sanctions actually are. Even the EU ones target certain companies and certain high level business to business transactions. It doesn't apply to consumer videogames

>>180364257
Yes it is? Select few individuals are denied services in the west and beyond that companies are denied the ability to do business transactions with the west as well as a straight embargo on certain product types, non of which include Stellaris.

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>>180356702
WANT

>>180364109
Are you okay? The curator won't pay you extra for posting ourside of russian forums.
>>180364257
>That's not how embargos work; if anything, select few Russians are the ones who are not under embargo.
Except they literally are, that's why Putin and his cronies got butthurt to the point they've banned russians from a lot of shit. Too bad he is too old of a commie to understand the concept of internet.

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>>180364257
Our nation has been culturally enriched by the neanderthals, as is historically accurate. Also why is my internet lagging right now it always lags to shit around this hour ffs.

>>180364485
>>180364606
Except it isn't true. Software sanctions, possibly, but on a broader scale the russian sanctions aren't limited to individuals, that's fucking retarded, how do you limit access to a market for "certain individuals" within a market? You'd just create a reselling market, evidently this doesn't work.
I never said he wasn't also full of shit, considering the Russians were in a fury about Paradox price hiking their games so evidently these aren't denied.

>>180364505
滚

>>180364485
>You can literally google it
>google
ok

>you're not affected by software sanctions
Sure thing mate, tell me more about my country and life.

> It doesn't apply to consumer videogames
Why would you think they don't? Vidya are nothing special.
A company like steam can sell in Russia, Iran, China and other countries. BUT if they are ordered to enforce the embargo they can take away games from people without a refund.
That's why warez culture is so deep in these countries. No point legitimately owning a software that could be taken away from you any time.

>>180364852
>China
Made a mistake buddy, I'm Chinese
The ONLY entity capable of enforcing an embargo on Steam games is, in fact, not Steam within China; it's the Politburo.

>>180363321
>Fixed a bug where the Horatio population collection bonus level 3 had overpowered, unintended industry effects

rip horatio being broken as shit

>>180364606
>butthurt to the point they've banned russians from a lot of shit
Huh. As a russian - this is news to me.

>he is too old of a commie
har har har
Putin's a silovik, siloviki hated CPSU by the end of the union, them flipping their shit is one of the main reasons union is not still around.

All this aside can you fuckers all go back to pol? This is wrong fucking board for this discussion. Some poorfag not wanting to pony up few bucks for stellaris is not a good reason to shit up a general.

>>180365049
Mind you if he's poor he should pirate it.

>>180364842
>how do you limit access to a market for "certain individuals" within a market
Do you just ignore the news or something? They refuse to allow them to do certain transactions and heavily penalise companies found allowing them to do them. If you actually did your own research instead of talking out of your arse you'd see that its not an embargo on bread or cars but the kind of thing thats fairly easy to track.

Fuck there were several high profile cases of big banks breaking the embargo by processing fianancial transactions for certain high level individuals, how do you not see this?

>>180364852
>Why would you think they don't
Because the official government embargo lists don't include them

>BUT if they are ordered to enforce the embargo they can take away games from people without a refund
So you admit the embargo doesn't actually exist for software. Thanks

>>180365049
>complain about embargo
>actually the embargo doesn't affect you
>go back to pol!!!!
Fuck off

Why can't you just give the animefags what they want? When they get their dose they will shut up and go off wanking to their waifus. But no, you keep arguing instead and letting them make you look like clueless idiots.

>>180365134
Are you really this mad no one is giving you your mod?

>>180365132
>Everyone I disagreee with on pol is the same guy.

Fuck off yourself, newfag.

>>180364938
well, they also got the health of their carriera MORE than doubled, which should help them out

plus, they produce more than enough industry from their population (especially once you splice an industry faction like remnants or pulsos)

>>180365134
Because sometimes you just literally cannot be arsed and they need to stop whining if nobody feels like helping them.

>animefags
Don't group all animefags with this retard (singular).

>>180365134
Never, I'd feel tainted just by being the conduit for such activities.
Stellaris was 12 bucks recently ffs. How poor are you?

>>180365190
You are the one sperging out.
People in western countries are so stupid, they don't even understand how deeply they have been brainwashed and act so clueless. I bet you don't even know how hundreds of people around the EU had been arrested by the police for MERE FACEBOOK POSTS in the past week.

>>180365249
>>Everyone I disagreee with on pol is the same guy.
I have no clue what you mean, you're the Russian who originally whined about Embargos and I'm not on /pol/ and nor do I post on it. You are making me wish the embargo actually did affect people like you, ideally they'd extend it to deny online services like this too.

>>180365375
Sure bud, give all of your personal info to a government monitored DRM company.
Truly, nothing bad could come out of this.

>>180365410
>explain how sanctions work
>stop sperging out!!!
Also theres nothing brainwashy about the official pages listing sanctions for use by multinational corporations. How do you think they work?

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>start new game in new patch as Vodyani
>first neighboring system has 5 planets and one of them is the new unique planet
Wew, time to steamroll everyone.

>>180365297
>well, they also got the health of their carriera MORE than doubled, which should help them out
It was just a fix to make Horatio carrier as good as the other carriers. Previously Horatio carriers mistakenly had half their intended HP, so it's less about doubling power and more about setting them to the same base line as other factions.

Let's not forget, all you had to do is not be a jackass and share this fun mod for the community demand.
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=948883955

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Looks like I came back at a terrible fucking time right now

>>180364842
So here we see one of the unique units. Neanderthal Culture is actually kind of unique - instead of actually giving you any specific special units like english longbows or keshiks, it gives a bunch of Neanderthal versions of early units, which cost more hammers (~30 more it looks like) but have +1 strength. Right now I've built a Neanderthal Tracker, which actually has the same combat strength as a Master Tracker (a great person type), but less of a bonus towards animals.

>>180365410
Shut up you idiot.

>>180365563
He's insinuiating they are not truthful, which, mind, would not be a first.

>>180365639

It's not the community demand, you annoying opportunistic chink. It's literally just you and you only come and shit this place up when you want someone to download a mod for you. Fuck off and figure it out on your own.

>>180365134
>Why can't you just give the animefags what they want?
Because I hate you.

>>180365420
>you're the Russian who originally whined about Embargos
I'm not and to me he doesn't sound Russian
>I'm not on /pol/
Than stop with politics.
>You are making me wish the embargo actually did affect people like you
Huh, I simply don't give a shit about retards like you. My only problem is that you, personally are shitting up the thread with irrelevant discussion, and to add insult to injury you clearly know total of jack and shit about what you are talking if you think Putin's a commie.

>this triggers the civfag

>>180365774
>posting worst anime of the season
as expected

>>180365661
How am I not being truthful look here
https://www.state.gov/e/eb/tfs/spi/ukrainerussia/
https://europa.eu/newsroom/highlights/special-coverage/eu-sanctions-against-russia-over-ukraine-crisis_en
Two government sources actually detailing the sanctions for the use of corporations when dealing with Russia that back up my claims over the active sanctions. With how much they're crippling the European economy theres not much to worry about them being made worse.

>>180365741
Stop samefagging mate and anyway he/you're the one that brought the irrelevant discussion over sanctions into it

>>180365746
>你能不能滚蛋找别人去?
没有

>>180364158
Gas the trees
Herbicide now

>>180364842
>Software sanctions
No such thing exist. I think you are mistaking whatever bullshit your government shits on you to cover money laundering with sanctions.
>I never said he wasn't also full of shit, considering the Russians were in a fury about Paradox price hiking their games so evidently these aren't denied.
They didn't "hike" the prices, they've just adjusted the price to the current exchange rate because the ruble is in rubbles since 2014. Valve itself didn't adjust and instead region-locked russian-bought gifts completely, but in the end the publisher decides if it wants to adjust or not. Besides, the swedes need A LOT of money to pay tax-funded refugee asylums, so they didn't have problems adjusting the price for some 3rd worlders.

>>180365049
>Huh. As a russian - this is news to me.
Of course it's news to you, because you are a literal russian retard.
>Putin's a silovik, siloviki hated CPSU by the end of the union, them flipping their shit is one of the main reasons union is not still around.
Your slavshit is showing. KGB was the most commie thing in a commie Russia, sans maybe the communist party. Putin is ex-KGB. Hope your brain, even when heavily damaged by vodka consumption, can connect the two.
>All this aside can you fuckers all go back to pol?
You've started it in the first place, so don't bitch.

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>>180365876
>over-ukraine-crisis_en
What are you, twelve?

>>180365639
Nobody gives a fuck about you or your mod, so ask someone in the mod comment thread if you care so much.

>>180366079
it is not our mod but we are allowed to seek it

>>180365583
yes, but the horatio carrier is by far the most beautiful, so you have an inherent advantage

>>180365883
没有什么?

>>180365876
>how am I not being truthful
No, you misunderstand, he's saying that the sites are not being truthful. I don't know if I agree but I'm just saying that not-fully-disclosed sanctions would hardly be a historical first.

>>180366018
>No such thing exist. I think you are mistaking whatever bullshit your government shits on you to cover money laundering with sanctions.
I'm Chinese, not Russian, calm your shit.

>They didn't "hike" the prices, they've just adjusted the price to the current exchange rate because the ruble is in rubbles since 2014
The effective income of the Russian citizen has not grown, the price hike was real and nearly doubled. For most people as far as I can tell, there was no increase in disposeable income, and there may have even been a decrease. It was, in fact, a price hike. That Pillars of Eternity jumped something like 60% in China was also unjustified, considering our currency has absolutely not devalued 60% against the dollar since 2014. Paradox did the price changes, not Valve.

>>180366213
You shouldn't shit up the fucking thread about it now fuck off.

>>180366029
Yes, and it gives the current sanctions on Russia, there aren't any other than in regards to Ukraine

Heres the complete list of their sanctions
https://eeas.europa.eu/sites/eeas/files/restrictive_measures-2017-04-26-clean.pdf
What a surprise, theres nothing relating to consumer software for the general public.
But keep insulting me to feel better over your inability to actually check things before claiming the west is evil.

>>180366213
>we
Stop doing that.
You are not even one person in the strictest sense of the word.

>>180366079
Don't you ever fucking talk to me like that again.

>>180366213
>>180366373
ebin

>>180366248
>I don't know if I agree but I'm just saying that not-fully-disclosed sanctions would hardly be a historical first
For something this wide-affecting they'd be impossible to keep remotely secret, companies can't run an embargo if they don't know for something like military technology, sure but not all software.

Maybe he's right but I'm sure there'd be a lot more outcry and talk about it if he was.

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>>180366296
>You are not even one person

Be honest, do you restart 2 or 3 times or do you just work with what the game gives you?

Do you scout a few turns for a starting city?

>>180366556
I restart far more than I should and it saps the fun out of games and I hate myself for it.

>>180366449
Yeah I know, I'm not entirely buying it, but I could still see where he's coming from because honestly from certain points of view, to Russians, it must feel like the US and EU sometimes have nothing better to do than fuck with Russia.

>>180366556
It depends how bad it is. Sometimes in civ iv I started next to a single flood plain in a vast open desert. That's GG material.

I didn't even want this http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=948883955 up until now, but now I do solely just to piss you retards off.
Can someone share this mod for us interested players and be our hero?

>>180366556

only if the land is atrocious

In civ 5 for example if I see snow with my first move then I restart without hesitation. I also restart if I'm on my own island cause that's boring.

>>180366636
Try being a new IP
Release and renew the binding on dhcpcd.

>>180366556
I only restart if I fucked myself over early game and don't want the tedium of cleaning up the mess I made of the game. The map generated is largely irrelevant to me so long as it's not literaly broken. I.E. not enough range to reach neighbouring star systems due to isolation in space games.

>>180366471
He's calling you subhuman.

>>180366605
I honestly sympathise with the Russians, I think the Russians were actually justified in annexing Crimea but people spewing bullshit about sanctions to make people feel sorry for them not being willing to pay is a whole different thing.

If he'd said "Paradox raised the prices in my region and its not reasonable to pay so much of my wage for something that I could lose at any time" instead of sperging out over how the sanctions pages are wrong for consumer services, someone probably would have given him the mod.

It doesn't even make sense for them to keep sanctions secret, our governments want to make a big song and dance about how they are sticking it to the Russians.

>>180366641
Civ 5 isn't really as started based as some 4xes, a shitty start on EL will cripple for the rest of the game but pretty much any non-tundra/snow start can be salvaged in Civ 5.

>>180366829
Depends how wideranging the sanctions are taken to be though. Sanctioning shit like bread is kind of over the top because it hurts the common folk, while this is "dude fuck the guys on top" to uproarious cheering from the crowds.

>>180366248
>The effective income of the Russian citizen has not grown, the price hike was real and nearly doubled
Guess what, the ruble exchange rate doubled compared to 2014, maybe the swedes found out about it only now due to negligible fanbase which pays with rubles.
>>180366605
>Yeah I know, I'm not entirely buying it, but I could still see where he's coming from because honestly from certain points of view, to Russians, it must feel like the US and EU sometimes have nothing better to do than fuck with Russia.
How is it "fucking" with Russia when they do it only when it tries to annex something?

>>180366687
That'll only change his local IP, he'll have to try things with his router to change his public.

>>180366897
Depends on your civ and game speed a lot.

If you fell for the 4trad tall meme and only play on quick a shitty start can be really devastated.

If you're playing on Marathon and you're gonna go for 100 cities anyways, then you have an easier time to manage.

>>180366897

It's more that it's boring. Your own island in civ 5 gives you dick all to do since they are usually small and nothing but you on your own or a couple city states.

The snow is just aids. It means you spawned in the polar north/south of the map and the majority of nearby land is tundra, which is just shit since you can't build farms on it unless it has a river, which is pretty rare.

>>180366943
>How is it "fucking" with Russia when they do it only when it tries to annex something?
Think about it the events leading up to the annexation and think about why the Russians might believe they haven't done anything wrong.
It's like when you people shout at us for Tibet - from our point of view that's Ming territory that declared a CSA, was never acknowledged, was kicked aside by major powers who recognized it was part of China - and now when it's convenient you shout about how it should be independent. It is literally as if we were saying that the US should release the CSA or that Cornwall deserves to be freed from their English oppressors. Try swapping viewpoints.

>>180367005
Ah right

>>180366213
You already found it, you're just too poor to buy the game and download it

>>180366917
The idea behind sanctioning shit like bread is to force regime change, make the conditions as shit as possible for everyone there and apply a bit of pressure in other ways and you force them to either back down or they install a foreign dictator. Thats why you often see medical supplies on embargo lists for countries they really don't like.

NATO allies aren't trying to force a regime change and know its out of reach so they have no reason to embargo every last Russian citizen, the economic and diplomatic damage from it just isn't worth it so the sanctions are aimed at powerful individuals, the military and corporations.

>>180367239
That's right. The goy must pay, you can't let him get away with it.

>>180367301
>putin buys a game on steam
>you can legitimately take his game away
>the game he paid for
>simply because 'fuck putin'

>>180367154
>Think about it the events leading up to the annexation and think about why the Russians might believe they haven't done anything wrong.
You are making a mistake by equating all Russians to the Putin gang. I understand, you are a ching chong and was raised in a culture which equates the "leader" with the nation, but come on. His cronies laundered so much money you won't come up with plausible excuse other than illusions of grandeur even if you'd be 100% delusional.

>>180367551
>EUSSR talking about USSR corruption
like a pottery

>>180367301
>The idea behind sanctioning shit like bread is to force regime change, make the conditions as shit as possible for everyone there and apply a bit of pressure in other ways and you force them to either back down or they install a foreign dictator. Thats why you often see medical supplies on embargo lists for countries they really don't like.
Yeah I know, that's why it's basically there for North Korea.
Which is dumb by the way; the reason NK is so rigorously pressing for nukes and the reason why even us pressing wouldn't work is because Kim feels threatened and thinks the west wants a regime change, and he remembers what happened to Gaddafi when he gave up his nukes.

>>180367551
>You are making a mistake by equating all Russians to the Putin gang. I understand, you are a ching chong and was raised in a culture which equates the "leader" with the nation, but come on. His cronies laundered so much money you won't come up with plausible excuse other than illusions of grandeur even if you'd be 100% delusional.
I like how you cannot make coherent arguments without insinuating that I'm somehow not thinking clearly.

>laundered money
Which has nothing to do with historical claims, geopolitical strategy, and the fact of having pro-Russian citizen revolts (backed or not). Also to be honest? The existence of Ukraine / Crimea as a seperate nation is kind of a fucking joke from my point of view.

>>180367626
So you equate Putin to communism after all?

>>180356702
dumb cunt
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=steam+workshop+downloader

did the specimens quest in stellaris for those who haven't bothered with it since release, here's the rewards

>500 society
>500 energy credits
>76!!! influence
>4961 unity (about 8-12% of my next tradition, equal to 10 months)

All in all, still a waste of time since I had to pay for a load of open borders and wormhole access.

>>180367885
>dumb cunt
back at you idiot

>>180366917
>>180366943


You people. Fine you want to have this discussion at least get it right. We are engaged in a trade war because the usual kind is not fun with Russia. Your govs sanctioned a bunch of irrelevant shit like Crimean companies and cooperation on Oil matters, tho they later reduced it from a complete ban to denial of high grade tech toys we don't have. In response Russia hit Europe with sanctions on foodstuffs, which we used to import by bucketloads, our gov used this trade war to prop up domestic production, with mixed succes. Yes there was a price hike on food, no it isn't important anymore since it's been replaced with imports from other parts of the world and/or domestic produce. All of these kind of sanctions with EU have long been subverted because, unlike US, EU doesn't update it's sanctions list when russian capital rebrands and relocates their legal HQ from Cyprus to London.

The sanctions that hurt russian economy are the ones on banking since it pays quite well to fuck around in European markets But ultimately, while painful, they can't hold a candle to the hit Rouble took from falling oil prices. And that was a saudi project to fuck with US shale oil ventures, that only hit russia in the form of collateral damage.

You should also be aware that course of Rouble is a largely irrelevant number for purposes that aren't selling oil and buying foreign tech/products, because we are very close to an autarky, compared to most nations, hell our central bank didn't even try to prevent Rouble fall when it was happening because Kremlin decided that it would be more useful to have Oil exports still bring as much roubles as before 2014, since internally value of the currency hasn't changed nearly as much as internationally.

>>180367551
>You are making a mistake by equating all Russians to the Putin gang.
80% popular support. Call me when your country manages that.

Does sector AI clear tile blockers if you disable all of their settings?

>>180368018
I'm Chinese but good on you for presenting actual arguments.
>80%
He's going to accuse it of being fake just like Xi's popular support is faked

>>180365583
>+15 influence per pop

what

So can we have nice things or shall we?
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=948883955

>>180368349
You're not going to get your mod. Not after everything that just happened.

>>180368349

The broken english pisses me off more than his persistence

Like what the fuck are you trying to say? Nobody here wants your shit mod, stop advertising it here and fuck off to /tesg/.

>>180367963
you can mount an isso but can´t use 5 minute
to use goggle?
No sir sir, your the dummest cunt.

Putin actually cares about Russia & Russians.
Wish we had a leader like him.

>>180368018
>80% popular support. Call me when your country manages that.
You might as well ask what the popular support is in China, Cuba or some other one-government state.

Anyone who expresses dissent gets crushed.

Anyone with a profile who expresses dissent gets killed.

>>180368521
hey, we finally elected a leader that also puts Russia & Russians first

>>180368407
>>180368421
>>180368489
why so tsuntsun?
be more deredere

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>>180365661
After what was evidently a temporary *mistake* in allocating wonders to players, work continues, and we get our fourth (the third is technically Neanderthal Culture) wonder in Luoyang. Luoyang now houses five hundred people (4 Pop); the closest rival is at a mere one hundred (2 Pop) while the majority of our competition is at fifty (1 Pop). The Chinese will breed everyone to extinction; blame Wu being an insatiable slut.
We've finished researching Trapping and Dance; I don't know what we're dancing to, as we don't have Music yet, but probably just some sort of merry tapping around our firepit and Captured Fire.
Also, we're making money! In C2C, most buildings that boosted commerce instead boost raw gold value (ergo banks do not somehow improve your research). This means I'm actually making more money than I'm spending despite spending 2 gold a turn in building maintenence (lookout post and something else).

>>180368349
Steam workshop downloader holy fuck how are you not banned yet.

>>180368620
After everything that happened, you're not going to get the mod. Try somewhere else.

>>180368623
>Steam workshop downloader
Why are you such a humongous retard?
You know full well it doesn't work.

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never seen such a tiny xenophobe FE, seems they fell pretty hard

>>180367678
>I like how you cannot make coherent arguments without insinuating that I'm somehow not thinking clearly.
What argument did you expect? I said, as a russian, that "sanctions" don't affect me for shit. You reply with some bullshit about secret sanctions, as if you would know about them in the first place.
>pro-Russian citizen revolts (backed or not)
I suspect your propaganda outlet forgot to mention Putin denied ANY involvement in Crimea thing. Even though there were soldiers present with russian military equipment during the "referendum". And the "rebels" had access to russian (not USSR) military equipment which they've just stumbled upon in a Ukrainian military depot.
>The existence of Ukraine / Crimea as a seperate nation is kind of a fucking joke from my point of view.
That's rich coming from a person living in a country which tries as hard as it could to censor the existence of Taiwan.
>>180368018
>80% popular support. Call me when your country manages that.
With 30% of voter turnout during the fucking party elections. And a bit of math on latest presidental elections showed that results were fiddled with on administrative level. Holy shit you are so retarded I wonder why are you not sitting on a bottle comfortably yet.
Also, nice try Ivan, you are not fooling anyone.

>>180368710
He's probably never had to use it because he's not poor :^)

>could have easyly prevented shitstorm by giving them what they want
>no, lets just sperg outta

its just and innocent mod, holy fuck just give it to them

just report him for the love of dog

>>180368568
See, what'd I tell you lmao
Hey westerner, in China we have a saying -
In the West, you can change the Party but never the Policy. In China, you can never change the Party, but you can change Policy.
Nobody's perfect but don't dismiss people who do better than you as just flat out Fake News that's stupid, it's perfectly logical for Putin to be popular considering he, at first glance at least, stopped the shithole that was 90s Russia

>>180368771
>the existence of Taiwan
Huh, that's weird. From what I can tell, Taiwan's official name is the Republic of China, claiming all of the Chinese mainland, and very few nations recognize its existence as a sovereign state.
It's not fucking censored you idiot it's not recognized, the country in the eyes of Beijing is a rebel breakaway province, a leftover after the civil war propped up by outsiders. Everyone knows where Taiwan is and that it exists.

This reminds me of when Utopia released and this happened all the time.

>>180368898
they have no steam account to report

How the fuck did mod begging turn into Russian product embargoing and Crimea? Also, not 4x.

Well, that aside, I personally wouldn't call people who could potentially help me as utter retards and fucking faggots but hey don't let me stop you.

>>180321050
Can someone sum up the Heretic vodyani questline for me please? I got to the part where I had to prevent religious laws from being passed for 16 turns and it really didnt fit my gameplan so I had to drop it

>>180368568
>Anyone who expresses dissent gets crushed.
Yes this is why Novaya Gazeta that spend last few months bitching about "muh gay goulags" continues to operate, as does Echo of Moscow, aka "let's dig up crap on United Russia" and Navalniy's, aka "Dima 2%", sham of a political career. Sure lots a crushing going on huh.

People should really not be talking about shit they know nothing about.

>>180368771
>With 30% of voter turnout during the fucking party elections.
Russians on average are pretty fucking forward about what we think of democracy. Putin keeps it alive either because he really believes in it, doesn't want the mess of removing it, or for international theatrics. People care more about when he will finally announce successor than they do about elections.


>>180368925
>See, what'd I tell you lmao
It's always the same discussion, isn't it. The only reason I bother responding is on an off chance someone else will read it and be entertained/educated. There is no convincing some folks.

>>180369021
>but hey don't let me stop you.
So you will share?

>>180369021
>gib mod
>just buy the game
>well what if he's russian and sanctioned
>stellaris isn't affected by Russian sanctions
>yes it is
>shitstorm
Like that