/shmupg/ - Shoot 'em Up General

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Play Strikers 1945

Play Imperishable Night

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>>179710090
when are the toaplan, psikyo, and milestone e3 shmup conference?

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Top ten senpai!

Could have been top 5 I think, but I made a small mistake at the final boss. Does anyone know if you actually get bonus points for the amount of bombs/lives you still have at the end? If I didn't make this mistake I could have 2 lives more

>>179714617
top ten on normal is completely irrelevant

>>179714693
I don't know... there are pretty good players in the top ten...

>>179714617
Congratulations!

>>179714781
there are good players in top 10 of ccwi novice too, the same people as in top of original, but that doesn't meant they took it seriously.

What are some shmup pearls. Graphics, Gameplay and fun?

>>179715029
I know I am shit. Not everyone can be a superplayer like you.

>>179715029
Also, ccwi novice mode is a mode you can clear on the first try.
Raiden IV on normal is actually pretty difficult already. That's why it#s dumb to compare this.

>>179715290
you are not shit kraut, just saying that you are wasting your time. it's like pumping hours in ccwi novice, it's pointless becouse if you got in top of the original, you can easily get in the top of novice.
>>179715493
that's still a waste of time, get 2-all in arcade and 2-all normal will seem like a joke and you'll easily get in top.

>>179715589
>just saying that you are wasting your time
You clearly have no clue about the game. The routes for normal are exactly the same as for original. You just have to be a tiny bit quicker. I wasn't wasting time at all, since I learned the routes for both modes.

This isn't ccwi novice mode, where you can play without any routes at all.

>>179710401
finally did it on normal, lets play next game

Does Touhou 8 pass Kraut-kun's criteria for a good shmup, since it has a lot of bullet cancelling (aka timed kills)?

>>179710563
f*ck off cream you vapid attention-whoring twat

>>179715834
>You just have to be a tiny bit quicker.
yet it makes a lot of difference, especially in second loop. bosses and enemies also get more health. it's similar to rating in garegga in ccwi, you should know that the difference between low and high rating can totally fuck you up, even if it's just "tiny bit quicker".

>>179716857
>no homing lasers
Why would you even ask this?!

>>179719024
>bosses and enemies also get more health
Complete bullshit. It's exactly the fucking same, except that the bullets are a bit faster.
I'm not saying normal is as difficult as original obviously, but saying that I just wasted my time is just complete bullshit.

>>179719747
>Complete bullshit. It's exactly the fucking same
it's true, even for old raidens. but whatever, you learned that stars affect rating only after 300 hours in ccwi so it's stupid to expect you to notice.
>but saying that I just wasted my time is just complete bullshit.
i guess you can learn something about a game even on easiest difficulty, but going straight to your goal will save some time, even if in the end you'd decide to go withh normal, after learning arcade will make it seem like a piece of cake.

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>>179720318
Show me your clear of ANY mode of the game, or STFU. You are just talking out of your ass.

I already played Original too, and it is really not that much different. I basically can already clear it with the same fucking routes from normal, I just have to not make any mistakes.

>>179720784
> basically can already clear it with the same fucking routes from normal, I just have to not make any mistakes.
you can't 2-all, if you can, prove it.
>Show me your clear of ANY mode of the game, or STFU. You are just talking out of your ass.
i've had to stop playing becouse fps is too low on my laptop in some levels, but i played enough to notice that rating behaves the same as in r3 and early raidens, and many other games.
anyway, this isn't about this particular game, in any shmup playing hard mode will make you a lot better on normal, so might as well not bother with normal in the first place.

>>179710090
>vanha
Puukko. Sauna. Pekka.

>>179721249
>might as well not bother with normal in the first place
Normal is much better for practice, since you can see the bullets better. If the bullets are so fast that it's hard to see them, then it is also hard to see where you have to position yourself.

And again, you are talking out of your ass. The routes are the exact same on Original.

>>179720318
>you learned that stars affect rating only after 300 hours in ccwi so it's stupid to expect you to notice.

Savage, Kraut-kunt eternally BLOWN THE FUCK OUT.

>>179723173
Come on, it's really not easy to notice in this game.

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>>179723370

>>179723370
It's very easy to notice. Go to practice mode and fight the TLB with 0 stars then fight it with 750000.

>>179722498
yes i am about to go to sauna today lad

>>179723040
>The routes are the exact same on Original.
even if that's true(and it's not), you still need superior execution in original, and to learn that execution you need to play original, not easy mode.
>>179723173
i don't intend to btfo kraut, it's just sad to see a strong player wasting his time, instead of going full shmup and inspiring us to do better.

>>179723563
Yes, that's exactly how I noticed this, dipshit.
I didn't start practicing the TLB after 300 hours though. I first had to practice scoring routes in the rest of the game.

>>179723652
>you still need superior execution in original
Yes, but that's something totally different.
Again, I never said normal is as difficult as original, I just just said that I can clear original with the same exact routes as I did on normal, since it's not that much different.

I already made it to 2-4 on original, and just died due to some dumb mistake, but the routes are the exact same.

>>179723652
>it's just sad to see a strong player wasting his time, instead of going full shmup
or he can play whatever the fuck he wants and have fun doing it
take your retarded memes and kys

>>179723803
if it's really only dumb mistakes preventing you from clearing, you should do it on no-time, then i'll be proven wrong.
>>179724874
you are right, let's all just shut the fuck up, no need to create some actual discussion in here, god forbid some retard will think i prevent him from doing what he wants.

>>179723653
You shouldn't start scoring on a game unless you've already 1cc'd it.

>>179725964
you should, if you feel confident and serious scoring is your end goal, just don't come bitching here about how hard and unfair the game for not letting you get a clear with arbitrary % of WR.

wtf td was super easy compared to ufo/sa

>>179725321
>you should do it on no-time, then i'll be proven wrong
I make quite often dumb mistake, so it could still take a while.

Stage 4 is also really hard with such fast bullets. It's mostly the same routes, but some parts make it a lot harder.

>>179728276
play lolk, it's even harder than sa/ufo

>>179725964
This

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>>179731150
He says you have to be able to, not that you have to do it.

>>179731568
What is that even supposed to mean, your potential? By that logic I'm able to clear most games.

>>179731568
Well what's the point in learning to score a game before you know you can even clear it?

>>179731150
the fuck does this scrub know? you go FULL SHMUP or don't shmup at all

which shmups have the deepest, most complex, most mind-fucking-blowing scoring systems of all time?

>>179732483
raiden dx

>>179732483
Imperishable Night

>>179731150
able doesn't mean you have to do it.
>>179731758
playing for some time is usually enough to know. besides if you like a scoring system, ignoring it until you clear is dumb.

>>179732435
you have to be talented, before go full shmup

>>179732728
or you can simply play for 20k hours
the choice is yours

I'm able to clear Mushihimesama Futari Ultra even though I've only played it for an hour

>>179732483
Battle Egregor

>>179732483
Guwange, only expert multitaskers stand a chance

>>179732838
anyone who devotes himself to a genre is relatively talented, people who completely lack natural ability quit competetive play pretty fast and start saving up on garegga cab.

>>179732916
not bad but i 1cc DOJ the first time i played it. maybe some day you can reach my level.

>>179732483
Crimzon Poover

>>179732483
any game that loops infinitely has endless scoring potential.

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>>179716751
But did you 1cc it with every shot type?

>>179734310
The next step after 1ccing normal is 1ccing lunatic, not that completionist nonsense.

>>179735125
>starting with normal instead of hard before moving onto lunatic
git gud

>>179735693
>wasting time on poojins when there are arcade games to play
git smart

>everytime I post in these threads some scrub thinks it's a joke

>>179735826
>irrationally hating a game because it wasn't released in the arcades
git objective

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>>179738515
Touch Fluffy Tail?

>>179735826
poojin diarrhea drinkers btfo

>>179738603
Nothing irrational about preferring a higher quality product over a lower quality one

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>>179741053
>being released in arcade automatically means the game is higher quality
ok, kid

>>179741751
That's one of the notable exception but it's true as a general rule

>>179741751
Ikaruga might be shit, but it's still better than any poojin shooter at least

>le ikaruga is shit meme XD
So funny guise

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>>179741953

Allow me to offer an example from the other side of the coin.

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what a bitch

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>>179738719

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>>179747134
What'd I do?

>>179748978

Excessive lewdity.

Although I too wish to touch fluffy tail...

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Autism/love knows no barriers!

>>179750086
Veloce is cute, CUTE!

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>>179749372
I don't actually want to touch fluffy tail. You know what happens after touching fluffy tail, right? Yeah, nah...

>>179753214
What happens?

>>179753214

I plead the 5th now.

>>179753938

Head on over to /mgg/ for your answer

>>179754358

Because he can't 2-All DFK novice

>>179754147
T-This isn't shooting games...

>>179754358
I do.

MAGA!

>>179754358
He's a kikelover and americunt

>>179754358
I love Trump. Our country needs a leader with backbone, who isn't afraid to tell all the Mexicunts and Mudslimes to get the fuck out.

>>179755794
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>>179754358

Post your scores and replays /pol/ or gtfo

Why is ZUN such an unoriginal hack?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PgkeDdGK1Z0

>>179755794
>muh donald kike drumpft
>muh wall
Grow up, kid.

Dirty scrub using a continue to keep the thread alive

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Bahmpu~

>>179761802

How is Patchy so impossibly healthy given her lifestyle choices?

>playing arcade games at home

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>>179762297
carrying books all day requires a strong back

>>179762875
>travelling all over the country (or outside of it) just to seek out and play games that I can play comfortably at home

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>>179754002
That's okay, I'm just not especially in to Tamamo.

>>179761802
Sheesh, I feel hot just looking at this because she's wearing a sweater and it's still unbearably hot outside

>>179762875
It's the only place I can. America doesn't believe in video game arcades anymore. The only one I knew of anywhere near me closed down like two years ago... I guess I could go to a barcade but there's no shmups there.

>>179762875
lol what's an arcade

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Bahmpu~

What's the most important 3 features of a shmup to you?

1. Good Upgrade system
-Unlimited upgrades is best, I hate hitting walls
-Variety in weapons. Autoguns. Missiles. Lasers. Blasters. Nukes. Etc..

2. Co-Op
-Local is must, bonus if 4 players
-Online is awesome (but so rare??)

3. Controls
-Support gamepad. Keyboard is OK but not how I want to play. I hate mouse movement/touchscreen movement.
-Stick sensitivity - I many shmups have 100%/0% movement. If I push my stick a TINY bit it should move my ship very slowly. Jets n' Guns is an example of movement I don't like. It's all or nothing, no inbetween ground.
-Remapable keys. It's 2017, let me remap them.


(honorable mention) Graphics / Aesthetics
-Doesn't have to be AAA quality, 2D is fine but it has to have a good aesthetic and everything needs to be visible. The background shouldn't be too distracting.

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>>179773229
>upgrades
>co-op
>plays on analog
>a e s t h e t i c s
normalfags have arrived

>Internet being slow
>Run speed test
>0.60mbps down, 5.5mbps up

I guess I could stream tonight in theory, but it probably wouldn't be the most stable thing in the world.

>>179773229
>What's the most important 3 features of a shmup to you?
1. Presented by CAVE
2. On SH-3
3. Not a Yagawa game

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>>179776458
Rude.

>>179773229
1. Tight, fast paced gameplay
- must require lots of memorization to be good
2. Aesthetics
- art style and graphics (handdrawn sprites are archaic honestly)
3. Music and sound effects

>>179776458
>3. Not a Yagawa game
bananafaggot still can't play a shmup with rank? sad.

>>179775757

But how else are you going to practice doubleplay without a 2P option?

>>179776458
>2. On SH-3
top kek what a fucking idiot, sh-3 is total shit.

>>179779252
practice it in your head, you weren't going to get any doubleplay clears anyway

>>179773229
>What's the most important 3 features of a shmup to you?

1. well designed game not dependent on rng to be hard or at least the rng is of the memorise multiple things kind and not the grind until it let's you win kind.

2.OST is very important for me, no butt rock or droney gay synth shit.

3.no retard slowdown, if there it needs smooth transitions.

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>mfw watching trap15 fail at gradius iv

I've started playing again myself, want that 2 loop queer.

>>179780157
Not with that attitude you won't.

>>179782275
an ubermensch like me doesn't want something as silly as a double clear. i was talking about you, buddy.

>>179782346
Double play requires true multitasking skills.
Not this fake multitasking like in poowange.

>>179782346

Forgive me. I can see how you misunderstood. That wasn't directed at you, rather it was more of in a general sense. I was simply using your response as a jumping off point to address the rest of the people in this thread that actually matter.

>>179782647
i'd forgive you, pleb, if it wasn't for this jab
>that actually matter

>>179782752

Discourse has little need for those content to simply sit in their ivory towers.

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>>179782639
>fake multitasking
Doing 2 thing at once is multitasking, there's no "fake" version of it you docile fuck pig.

>>179782987
It is fake because you controll both characters, the player and its spirit, at the same time with the same inputs. Plus you also hardly have to move them indepently.

In double play you actually have to controll both ships each with their own inputs, and playing for score like this is insane with the amount mind boggling multitasking you have to do there.

>>179782752

Please, we all know you're far too proud to indulge in something as pedestrian as forgiveness.

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Pew pew

>>179784446
Autism

>mfw just found out you can use pause exploit in Raiden IV
Well, so much for arcade authenticity, and leaderboard credibility

>>179786970
there are plenty of ways to cheat in a singleplayer game, usually there is no protection from cheating becouse you'd have to be one sad fuck to cheat in a dead genre.

>>179787698
>there are plenty of ways to cheat in a singleplayer game
For example? Only other way to cheat in a shmup would be hacking the game, and this is usually very noticeable, and also requires to actually know how to hack.
It's very different from just putting auto-fire on the pause button, which is something everyone can do.

>you'd have to be one sad fuck to cheat in a dead genre
Or just someone who likes to impress others without actually putting much work into it. There are umpteens of replays for Raiden IV which mention using this exploit. I don't wanna know how many don't mention using it.

>>179787963
>There are umpteens of replays for Raiden IV which mention using this exploit. I don't wanna know how many don't mention using it.
who cares? you are doing it for yourself, if anything, being one of the few people who don't cheat feels fucking great.

>>179787963
>For example?
there was a programm that let's you pause or slowdown and do bunch of other shit to any game you want, i used it a long time ago becouse wargame european escalation was unpausable, but i wanted to pause and slowdown like in total war games. this won't be noticeable in a replay.

>>179788578
>you are doing it for yourself
Of course, but it completely negates the point of leaderboards when everyone can just easily cheat.
And I also perhaps would like to show a replay of my run to the world, to let the people see what I'm capable of. But why should I do this, when the person watching it can't be even sure if it's legit or not.

>>179788915
>Of course, but it completely negates the point of leaderboards when everyone can just easily cheat.
it feels good to be on top of suckers who cheated
>But why should I do this, when the person watching it can't be even sure if it's legit or not.
stream it then or record your hands or something, better yet, stop caring what they'll think.

>>179789148
>stream it then
Streaming gives lag for me.

>or record your hands or something
That's too much effort, to always set this up everytime you play the game. It'd be just annoying.

>>179789270
>Streaming gives lag for me.
that chink guy played ddp online on some chink site, the lag is insane there, yet he still got wr.
>That's too much effort
well then stop giving a shit, this isn't diablo 3 or some other mmo where cheating is rampant(saying this as someone who knew top players), most people will presume you aren't cheating if nothing is strange, i.e. you clear a game every other day or you got a world record in less than 1000 hours, or your replay is chockfull of luck dodges etc.

>>179789497
>that chink guy played ddp online on some chink site
I wasn't talking about input lag, I was talking about frame skipping, and slow down.

>well then stop giving a shit
Why don't you stop giving a shit? Posting replays of something you easily could have cheated is completely pointless.

>most people will presume you aren't cheating if nothing is strange, i.e. you clear a game every other day or you got a world record in less than 1000 hours
Jaimers clears games on the assembly line, and has only 40 hours in Raiden IV on steam while still holding the western record, yet nobody would ever say he is cheating, probably because he is playing the genre for such a long time already.

>>179789929
>Why don't you stop giving a shit? Posting replays of something you easily could have cheated is completely pointless.
unlike you, i don't give a shit. i post replays, people say i did good, nobody accuses me of
cheating, but if they will i won't give a shit and keep posting 'em.
everbody knows jamers is good and legit, 40 hours for a western record is nothing outrageous anyway.

>western record

>>179790112
>unlike you, i don't give a shit
Then why are you posting replays, when you don't give a shit?
If you wouldn't give a shit what people think, then you wouldn't even post them.

>>179790112
>everbody knows jamers is good and legit
Doesn't mean he is a saint who is unable to cheat sometimes.

>>179790112
>40 hours for a western record is nothing outrageous anyway
Depends on the game. Raiden IV is definitely not an easy game, and there are many very good Raiden players in the west.

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>>179773229

this is pointless, there is nothing more to say, so i'll stop replying.
>>179790182
pm this lmao

>>179783241
>at the same time
wrong.

>hardly have to move them indepently.
wrong.

As usualy you form opinions having no fucking clue what you're talking about. Remind us of your score? i could use a laugh.

>>179790419
>pm this lmao
Post your western record if it's so easy to achieve them. Especially in a popular game like Raiden.

>>179790406

You cannot mean to say Tyrian was a bad game. As far as I can recall it had almost all of those things (including online co-op via null modem)

>>179789929
>only 40 hours in Raiden IV on steam
Ever considered he played it for practice elsewhere?
>>179790347
>and there are many very good Raiden players in the west.
Nah only saucykobald everyone else played dumb down raiden 4 for small hitbox plebian shitters.

>>179790730
>wrong.
You use the same inputs for spirit and player, so of course you controll them at the same time.

>wrong.
You can't even move them independently, dipshit, since you control them together, you dumbfuck.

>Remind us of your score? i could use a laugh.
How about you post a double play score of yours? Oh I forgot, you don't even have one, because double play is way above your level.

>>179790746
it's easy if you are jaimers or someone else who is talented and experienced. and like was noted here, raiden iv was available for a while before it came into steam. for all we know he could've played xbox version or drm-free version before he played it on steam. personally i play a lot of offline, so steam doesn't track my time.
>Especially in a popular game like Raiden.
raiden iv will never be as popular in the west as og raidens were, no wonder taking western record was easy. not to mention that steam record doesn't mean western record.

>>179790798
>Ever considered he played it for practice elsewhere?
Of course I have considered this, but then you could consider this everywhere. The person I responded to mentioned playtime, but then why even mention it, if there is no way to know the playtime anyway?

>only saucykobald
Ben Shinobi is also very good. Raiden is a very popular game in the west. There are many good Raiden players here.

>>179791023
>it's easy if you are jaimers or someone else who is talented and experienced
No, it's not easy, when people like BOS, DKA, Errpo, etc already played the game. Jaimers may be talented, but he is not that talented, that he easily can beat players like this.

>>179791023
>for all we know he could've played xbox version
Again, I was just responding to the person who talked about playtime.

>raiden iv will never be as popular in the west as og raidens were
Even if that would be true, doesn't mean they have no competition.

>>179776458
this
ygw is okay if ikd is there to babysit him and make sure he doesn't fuck everything up

>>179791329
erppo is a better player than jaimers, neither of them played raiden 4 for long

>>179790893
>so of course you controll them at the same time.
it's absolutely impossible to do this in the game, stop chatting utter bullshit when you can't even play the fucking game. Spirit use stops the character from moving north south completely and he sways slowly left to right, i can assure you when you now how the fuck to play which you don't you worthless cunt you'll find you are constantly jumping between spirit and character control a lot according to route execution.
>>179790893
>How about you post a double play score of yours?
I've never even tried or played it and have no interest where as you DID try guwange and what happened? thats right you fucking FAILED at it so fucking badly that a casual speedrunner could beat you in a day.>>179790893
>You can't even move them independently
Take your finger off the spirit button and use c now what happens? the spirit stays still and only the character moves now fuck off you low test illogical beta cunt shit.

>>179793662
>erppo is a better player than jaimers
how? if you compare every game they both player jaimers has the higher scores generally, both are very good however.

Play time means absolutely nothing you morons. You could memorize a game completely before ever playing by studying a couple of replays with all of the strats laid out for you. Or you could play the game and learn everything yourself. The latter will clearly take much longer.

>>179794160
erppo has more good scores in total and higher scores in harder games. gaymers is a quantity over quality player.

>>179793662
>neither of them played raiden 4 for long
got any proofs to back up this claim?

>>179794110
Chav, you controll player and spirit with the same directions. This is something completely different than controlling 2 players with 2 different inputs.

Double play really fucks with your brain due to the amount of multitasking you need there. Its not even comparable to Poowange.
And i didnt fail at guwange, i just stopped playing the game

>>179794705
>got any proofs to back up this claim?
They're erppo and jaimers.

>>179794174
what if there is no replay, aside from maybe superplayer dvd? i'm playing strikers 1945 rigth now and there are no public 2-alls with zero, only one 1-all. before that i played poojin with no good replays anywhere. what i'm saying is, if you are doing something only few people did, playtime matters, since replays are not available or won't teach you much.

>>179795395
What does it matter for?

>>179795517
playtime matters if you go for actually something worthwile. if you just copy a replay, you won't beat a player, maybe by 1% or something if you don't make mistakes he made. not to mention, copying an actually good replay takes a shit-ton of time.

>>179795643
Obviously it matters. I think what anon meant was that it isnt always comparable between players.

>>179795395
then you can take solace in knowing that if you create all your strats and upload your replay, then some monkey comes along and copies everything you do move for move, you are the better player

>>179794979
They certainly play more than just 40 hours usually

>>179795793
are you forgetting to count time they spend watching replays?

>>179795875
You won't get better from just watching a replay. You also have to execute it.

>>179795979
execution in raiden is easy compared to cave games that top players always play

>>179796021
Complete bullshit. Raiden 4 high level play is just insane. It's full of bossmilking and extremely risky grazing/point-blanking the whole time.
And even when just playing for a clear it's still harder than most cave games.

>>179796191
>Raiden 4 high level play is just insane.
and it's still easy compared to cave games that top players always play

>>179796287
You troll never even watched a high level play of it, so stfu, cavedrone,.

>>179796334
>stuff i'm not familiar with could never be as hard as the stuff i know!!!!!
look at our local chav, he dedicated his life to guwange and only got 50% of the wr

cave is for
HARD
NIGGAS
ONLY

>>179796710
Isn't cees playtime in guwange just a couple hundred hours without proper savestate practice?

>>179796710
>stuff i'm not familiar with could never be as hard as the stuff i know!!!!!
I already played CCWI which is very much inspired by cave, and also already watched a ton of cave superplays. You on the hand have zero idea what you are talking about.

>look at our local chav, he dedicated his life to guwange and only got 50% of the wr
That's just because Cave has retarded scoring systems, where the score just depends completely on following the system. It doesn't mean it's harder, it just means it devides mediocre players more obviously from really good players.
That's why you have leaderboards on CCWI where the #1 player has almost twice the amount of points as the #3 player.

>>179796842
*thousands

>>179796982
>That's why you have leaderboards on CCWI where the #1 player has almost twice the amount of points as the #3 player.
could also be because CCWI is a poojin that only 1 person cares about

>>179796710
cave for weebs
even touhou better games

>>179797107
It's better than cave at least, and also has way better players on steam than cave games.

>reeee poojin
this is the best argument

>>179797210
>It's better than cave at least
lol
>and also has way better players on steam than cave games.
everyone plays cave on xbox and playstation, steam is for poors

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real niggas score in danny phantom

>>179797343
>everyone plays cave on xbox and playstation, steam is for poors
No shit, I was also just giving an example to show what I mean, you fucktard.
And the really good players play in arcades anyway, you braindead faggot.

do you know, gus futari ultra is not legit

>>179797512
there is no need to be upset

>>179797618
there is rather no need to be a liitle faggot, you fucking cavedrone
cavedrones are on the same level as touhou tards

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>>179797685

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soviet Cirno

speedrunning similar to scoring?

>>179802002
one in the same

>>179802002
It unironically is, though of course there are differences.

>>179802002
Hell no.
First, speedrunning mostly makes the gameplay even worse than it already was, meaning you are basically just glitching through the fucking game. Horribly to watch and also horrible to play.

Second, the skill ceiling is much lower in speedrunning. Shmup superplayers are on a whole other level.

Is CAVE making more steam ports?

>>179802002
not really, becouse scoring consists of utilising a score system, while speedrunning consists of pulling off a bunch of tricks, ofc there are shmups with a shit-ton of tricks like garegga, but the most scored shmups have some carefuly designed systems. in spirit however, they can be similiar, both consist of endless singleplayer grind.
>>179802324
>meaning you are basically just glitching through the fucking game
not the case with every game, some have very few glitches. speedrunning can be interesting to least watch, becouse it's a very agressive play, bosses have to be taken down instantly, enemies killed before they appear etc. it all really depends on the game, something like jrpg or point and click speedrunning is a fucking joke, but not a lot of people are intrested in non-action games.
>Second, the skill ceiling is much lower in speedrunning
even if it's true, that ceiling is still high, "perfect" tas runs can be quite faster than real runs.

>>179805112
>not a lot of people are intrested in non-action games
Even if it's an action game it's mostly shit. Dark Souls speedruns for example are a fucking joke. Only speedruns which can be decent are mostly from older games, but even then playing shmups is still way more fun.

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>>179762875
I play ketsui at arcade m8

>>179805335
>Only speedruns which can be decent are mostly from older games
doesn't have to be old, just in a classic genre, like shovel knight, not in a modern genre like open world craft shit.
>but even then playing shmups is still way more fun.
i agree, but it's still subjective, it's not like speedrunners don't enjoy games.

>>179805586
>it's not like speedrunners don't enjoy games
No, they just have shit taste.

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>>179793075
>ygw is okay if ikd is there to babysit him and make sure he doesn't fuck everything up
then how come ygw's games were better when he was at raizing than at cave?

>>179805401
You mean playing on cabinet at your HOME?

>>179806534
because they aren't

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>>179807043
literally everyone else disagrees with you, contrarian-kun

>>179807219
pork is better than these raising games. ibara and pink sweets are trash but thats what happens when you leave ygw on his own, he's a fucking retard meme developer

fuck microhitboxes
fuck slowdowns
fuck cave

>>179808023
what's wrong with micro hitboxes?

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>>179806793
nope

Also, Pink Sweets is objectively Yagawa's worst game, and he made that while at CAVE. Pork ain't so hot either. The only good thing he did there was an inferior Garegga rehash.

>>179808023
fuck YOU

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this fucking piece of shit right here is undeniably the worst fucking creation of man in existence. absolutely nothing ever will top this neverending ride of fucking bullshit rng and shit bosses and shit enemy placements and shit hitboxes. put shortly theres nothing but fucking shit in this fucking epitome of bullshit

this game is designed in a way that the enemies sometimes move more downwards than usual which makes you collide with it or sometimes shoots in so fucked up way you are guaranteed to die no matter what you do or how skilled you are. then there are these absolute fucking worst ever designed """"""""bosses"""""""" that have literally no redeeming qualities and are there just to fuck you up and act more as a vacuum for your money assuming you are to play this on arcade. then the actual rng bullshit on top of it causes varying bullshit effects including but not limited to enemy health, spawns and fire rate. there is literally no fucking way this fucking shit could be a good idea according to anyone ever exept the degenerate whoever shat out this half assed piece of shit and called it a day

this right here should be put on a pedestal as a display of how not to design a game or just be erased from existence because there is no fucking way to play this without getting mad as fuck. in the end no one takes this shit seriously and the so called luckiest men on earth known as """""""super"""""""""players do this only because they have nothing better to do

>>179808842
mmp is his magnum opus, you pleb

>>179809105
Sure, if you are a casual scrub.

>>179808979
git gud

>>179809402
post you're scores

>>179803158
i have a feeling they're working on a new game instead of a new port

>>179811064
mobage

>>179811308
degica posted that they're still working with cave but not ready to announce anything yet. they haven't announced anything in over a year and haven't released anything in nearly a year. their ports are half assed as fuck, it doesn't take that long to shit out another port so what else would they be working on than another game?

>>179809105
>mmp is his magnum opus
Fuck off is it, mmp is his most simplified dumbed down lazily shit out game he's ever made. You end up getting over 20 lives if you score ffs, it's fucking shit.
>>179808842
>Also, Pink Sweets is objectively Yagawa's worst game,
I dunno man it's just radically different I still think porks the worst desu just because it's fun but ultimately super shallow.

>>179807396
>ibara trash
In what reality is ibara trash? it's fucking amazingly well executed expands on garegga in the right way and is the best programmed game on sh-3 (significantly less slowdown than any other game) you just have an issue with any game that's even moderately complex because your fucking rowntrees fruit gum water skull can't figure anything out.

>>179814459
>significantly less slowdown
lmao shit taste

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>>179815117

>>179815323
dumb frog poster

>>179814459
>it's fucking amazingly well executed
https://youtu.be/T0Ol7KkwHI4?t=6m24s

you only think that because you're too awful at the game to score it properly

>>179816920
I bet my scores higher than yours penis breathe therefore you get no authority here. Why are you showing me this ancient ps2 super play anyway? it's 4 million less than his wr but still shows nothing but a fantastic game with well executed features. You're shit we get it now fuck off.

>>179817147
>6m24s
>a fantastic game with well executed features
LMAO
it's worse than poojin

>>179817225
So don't do it? the trick is identical to gareggas stage 3 boss milk purposefully a homage so what's your point that garegga sucks to or? that trick is worth 800k/1.2mill ish so even if you ignore it entirely it's worth fuck all compared to everything else, clueless cunt go play with your my little pony fidget spinner.

>Did you have any difficulties recording this superplay?
>Y.S. 333: I fell asleep on the scoring section of the stage 2 boss
L M A O

should i buy dangun feveron

>>179819580

yee, great port just like their garegga port

i haven't been able to sink as much time into it as i'd like but it's been great fun what little i've played of it

>>179819580
no, shit game

>>179819580
no, only buy new shmups, stop supporting the shameless milking of 10+ year old dead games

>>179821434
but there are no new shmups

>>179821434

i'm already buying "new" shmups (raiden v when it comes out), but i want to support new (good) ports of old shit too

both the m2 ports so far are awesome

>>179821754
There are a few, but most of the are indie trash. There are some good ones though.

>>179822915
>There are some good ones though.
why do you tell lies on the internet?

ibara has good music

>>179823908
see >>179823406

>>179823406
I did preface it with "most are indie trash"

<_<

post your top 5 shmups made within the last 5 years

bonus points if they aren't indie/doujin games

>>179826215
trick question
5 shmups haven't been made in the last 5 years

>>179826215
OK, I like a challenge! In no particular order:

Raiden V - 2017
Akai Katana - 2012
BLUE REVOLVER - 2016
Sine More - 2012
[indie shmups]

For #5 I'm strait up saying the combination of the indie shmups on steam. Ya, I'm full of shit, but I still believe it. There really are some cool ones on there. They all have problems, sure, but so many are totally worth playing.

I'm not saying any of these are the BEST EVER, but I think they're good.

>>179828091
>but so many are totally worth playing.
what should one be on the lookout for?

>>179828443
I know this isn't a loved opinion around here, but it depends what you're into. Check out top sellers, find something that looks interesting, check the screenshots and the forums for it. And remember, you can return the game if you play less than 1 hour. This is key, because there is shit on there. Lots of it. But there are diamonds in that shit.

http://store.steampowered.com/tag/en/Shmup/#p=0&tab=TopSellers

>>179828091
>Sine Mora
I can accept that people like Poo Revolver, but really?

>>179828639
also instead of top sellers you can sort by reviews. Tick off things you want on the right (like split screen, full controller support, etc)

http://store.steampowered.com/search/?sort_by=Reviews_DESC&tags=4255

>>179828701
>cheaply made generic wannabe cave clone
>compared to high quality production r-type inspired game with really innovative mechanics
Sine Mora definitely has glaring flaws, but it's still better than shit like poo revolver

>>179826215
ghost blade
poo revolver
zangeki warp
twilight refrain
mecha shitz

>>179830948
Innovative mechanics doesn't mean shit if the game is really badly made in every way that matters and just isn't fun to play. Poo Revolver's a cheap game that does nothing new but it's actually playable.

>>179832041
>Innovative mechanics doesn't mean shit
Of course they mean something. If people always do the same and never make something new, then the genre also stays the same and never can become any better.

>if the game is really badly made in every way that matters and just isn't fun to play
It's way better made than fucking poo revolver. It has music by japanese professionals, arguably one of the best graphics ever made in a shmup, really good artstyle (except for the furrshit), the bosses are full of details, and it's totally playable.

Just because you rather prefer fast paced generic cave style over slow paced r-type style, doesn't mean poo revolver is better. I am not a big fan of Sine Mora, but it's still totally playable.

>>179832762
>If people always do the same and never make something new, then the genre also stays the same and never can become any better.
Doesn't mean that anyone should like half baked shitty experiments like Sine Mora. If someone can take its mechanics and make a solid game out of them then good, otherwise it's a worthless piece of eurotrash.
>It has music by japanese professionals
Akira Yamaoka was phoning it in big time, like half of the ost is uninteresting droning garbage.

I love R-Type, you're mental if you think an abomination like Sine Mora can be compared to it. It has more in common with the countless terrible euroshmups polluting the steam store.

>kraut-kun is defending euroshmups like sine mora now
how the mighty have fallen

>>179833050
>Doesn't mean that anyone should like half baked shitty experiments like Sine Mora
It's not half baked, dumbass. It just has flaws.
Revolver 360 also has flaws and is not the most fun game to play, but it's stil way above shit like Poo revolver, especially because it is incredibly innovative.

>like half of the ost is uninteresting droning garbage
It's still better than cheap cringy techno from soundcloud like in poo revolver.

>I love R-Type, you're mental if you think an abomination like Sine Mora can be compared to it.
Of course it can be compared to it. It has a very similar style you dumbfuck and was very obviously inspired by such games. It's about methodically using the games gimmick to your advantage in slow paced levels, instead of heavy emphasis on pure dodging like in cave games for example. If you don't use your special weapon smart in this game you will die very easily, just like you will die in R-type if you don't use the force pod smartly.

>>179833992
It was inspired by R-Type but the quality is so piss poor that implying that I don't like it because I don't like R-Type style games is an absolute insult to R-Type or any decent hori. The fact that it has random power ups is clearly indicative of how much the devs cared about making a good shmup.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkSyovW3Fg0

Musical masterpiece

>>179826215
ccwi was last shmup, everything else does not count

>>179834367
>the quality is so piss poor
Not any worse than in poo revolver.

>The fact that it has random power ups
The power ups being random doesn't matter much in this game. You will still end up with more or less the same power ups in the end. They just spawn at different times, but the frequency is always the same.

>Musical masterpiece
It's an atmospheric soundtrack dumbass. Better than loud annoying pleb techno.

>>179834963
It's a low quality atmospheric soundtrack that sounds like something a teen would make in fruity loops and doesn't even fit the levels it appears in. BR has some well made techno though. Being underpowered/overpowered for a boss or a section of a level simply because of luck doesn't matter to you?

>>179835674
>It's a low quality atmospheric soundtrack
It's a high quality soundtrack with high quality sound effects. It was made by professionals which is very obviously noticeable.

>BR has some well made techno though
Doesn't mean it's a good soundtrack, when techno is still music for plebs. Same goes for the sound effects in the game which are of similar low quality.

>Being underpowered/overpowered for a boss or a section of a level simply because of luck doesn't matter to you?
Of course it matters to me, but it's not the case in this game. In contrary to you I actually played the game, and how well you do in it is absolutely not luck dependent. Perhaps high level scoring is a bit luck dependent, but that's the case for many shmups.

>>179836502
>which is very obviously noticeable
Where is it noticable? Point it out to me please, is it the repetitive drum samples or the pads that sound so stock they're probably just taken from a common library?

>>179836502
Also it can be significantly harder to kill enemies with low firepower which is a problem because you're on a timer. This is fine because?

>>179836846
>Where is it noticable?
It's hard to put quality of art into words when talking in such a general sense, without giving any specific examples. But the fact that Akira Yamaoka made the soundtrack should be enough evidence that is made by a professional and has much higher quality than shit like pleb techno in Poo Revolver.

>>179837071
>Also it can be significantly harder to kill enemies with low firepower
Your firepower is always more less the same though. Again, just because there is rng in it, doesn't mean it's completely unbalanced. You will always still end up with more or less the same amount of power ups at the end of stage 1 or stage 2.

>>179837179
>>179837347
just don't play this game and stfu

>>179837179
It really isn't if you know what you're talking about, but you don't know anything about music so you can't even give simple examples of what makes the music so professional and instead go with reputation. Akira Yamaoka is known to use almost unaltered samples from the same libraries amateur musicians use btw.

http://silenthillforum.com/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=16347

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>>179837814
>hurr I have no clue wtf i am talking about but i am a fucking cavedrone and just prefer generic cheaply made cave knock offs, that's why I will just insult you now because i don't have any arguments against you

>>179837849
>Akira Yamaoka is known to use almost unaltered samples from the same libraries amateur musicians use btw
Artists also use the same utilities as amateurs do, but they know how to use them better.

>>179837179
>higher quality than shit like pleb techno in Poo Revolver.
fuck off is it weaboo cunt, MUHHHHH JAPZZZZ you're such a fucking annoying cunt. If there's one thing i'll defend blue revolver`for it's the amazing sound track, you think tyechnos pleb because 1. your ears are shit and 2. you're a fucking thick flesh meat skull cunt who should of been murdered at birth if your mother wasn't such a sadist who enjoys the spectacle of her sons failed existence whilst she beast fucks the milkman.

>>179838142
>utilities
>using essentially prepackaged bits of music

>>179838142
>but they know how to use them better.
Translation =
>they know how to sequence them in formulaic fashion whilst surfing on their own established name to hide the laziness of their work.

>>179838464
>i have no clue wtf i am talking about

>>179838389
>MUHHHHH JAPZZZZ
>MUHHHHH BRITCUNTS

>>179837952
at least, they made something

>>179838678
You don't know what you're talking about kraut, actually listen to the samples and then look at their implementation in his music instead of dismissing it you thick faggot. You don't know what "professional" means and were only impressed by it because it's by an established musician and you can't think for yourself.

>>179838603
That artists take something already existing and sample it is completely normal.
That's the way Star Wars was basically made you dumbfuck.
Just because the musician takes publicly available samples, doesn't mean he just copy pastes shit and that's it.

>>179838826
>actually listen to the samples
I already listened to the soundtrack in contrary to you, who has no idea what he is talking about.
That artists sample is completely normal, and doesn't mean at all that all they are doing is just stealing. They are taking existing things and turn it itno something new. That's how 99% of artists do it, you dumbfuck.

>You don't know what "professional" means
>A professional is a member of a profession or any person who earns their living from a specified professional activity. The term also describes the standards of education and training that prepare members of the profession with the particular knowledge and skills necessary to perform their specific role within that profession.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Professional

Here I copy pasted it for you. The musician from Sine Mora is an educated artist, and already worked for companies like Konami. Meaning he is a professional.

>>179839036
Except he did, a lot of his tracks are simple ambient where most of the character comes from the pads he uses. But seeing as they're unaltered presets you'd be disingenous to imply that he used them masterfully. Fuck's sake, some entire tracks are just him pressing a few notes.

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>>179839036
i've past engagement and reached pity, you are literally african tier. Star wars is shit btw always loved by man babies and the emotionally underdeveloped.

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>>179839453
>i have no clue what I am talking about but i will just spout nonsense without any evidenc anyway

>>179839768
>no evidence
>posted a library of samples

>unironically listening to video game music
LMFAO!!!!!

>>179839927
Again, using samples is normal for artists.
This doesn't prove anything about the skill of the artist, let alone the quality of the OST.

>>179840147
There's a reason I keep bringing up that they're practically unaltered, and his implementation of them, both of which you'd realize if you actually bothered listening to the samples instead of jumping in with your kneejerk defense. Forget it, this is a waste of time.

>>179840317
>they're practically unaltered
Post an example of a sample plus how it sounds in his game then.
Do you honestly think I give a shit about your link when all you are doing is just posting a list of samples from some random forum?
Using samples is normal for musicians. You are just acting as if all he did was just stealing, because you have no clue what you are talking about.

>>179840635
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p233FWxFuRM

>>179840317
>Forget it, this is a waste of time.
I feel your pain but you have to treat kraut like a punch bag, you know you can't knock it down but it's fun to keep punching it anyway.

>>179840972
Again, this doesn't prove anything, fucker. It just shows some random samples.
It doesn't disprove at all the talent of the artist of composing with these samples.

>>179841494
Those "random samples" provide most of the character to his music. The drums are also premade loops by the way.

>>179841494
I know i'm wasting effort here but anyway good producers rarely ever use stock samples without altering them in some way.

>>179841587
Even if this would be true, it doesn't make his music any worse.
It's still very good athmospheric music and perfectly fits to Silent Hill and its mood. If it is done easily on was done difficulty doesn't matter.

>>179841693
Good producers rarely also work on poojins like Poo Revolver

>>179842179
It does make it sound very amateurish to anyone with experience however. Ironically the "soundcloud" ost sounds more like the work of an experienced musician than this

>>179842482
lol btfo desu

>>179842486
No, the Poo revolver ost sounds like its made by an edgy teenager on extacy. The Silent Hill or Sine Mora soundtracks are actually good music.

>>179842668
Looks like someone got bullied by techno loving chads in high school

>>179842668
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY92NAdGaR4

>this
>good music
lol, shit taste, fritz

>>179842179
backpedal.gif

yes kraut you are free to subjectively enjoy it just stop confusing it with objective claims on something you prove to know little about.
>>179842482
Good production is simply that regardless of the commercial success of the individual. you still think like a teenage girl ie number 1 hits from bieber must be bestest music!!!
>>179842620
it really isn't, stop being 12.

>>179842668
>No, the Poo revolver ost sounds like its made by an edgy teenager on extacy. The Silent Hill or Sine Mora soundtracks are actually good music.
AGAIN confusing preference in style with objective analysis of quality.

>>179842875
fuck me thats legit painful.

video game music is pleb trash from top to bottom

>>179842875
To be fair that's meant to sound like an incomprehensible mess to make the player panic in classic horror music fashion.

>>179842875
this is pure anti-pleb art in its finest form. only a true patrician could appreciate the craftsmanship behind this masterpiece.

>>179842875
Are you kidding me? This is fucking awesome.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr6kUgO3Aqk

>>179843914
patrician af

>>179843485
This. Reminds me of the art by Kengo Iuchi. Also art in its purest form
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6MhlJTjzRIs

>>179834431
this
SHOOTING GAY NEVER DIE

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>>179844305
>>179843790

>>179797685
where is the lie here

>>179843914
SAMPLES! Samples EVERYWHERE!!!!

out of the way plebs, you don't know true art

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0kcF7E69C6Q

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Bahmpu~

Castle went live on Steam but I don't see any launch discount. Game is set at 11.99usd at the moment

>>179855415
wake me up when it's about tree fiddy

krautism

>>179855415

I see it at 9.95 right now with a 17% launch discount.

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>>179856613
Just now went to my wish list and looked. Showing 11.99
I then followed the link to the store page and still 11.99. Maybe I need to restart my Steam?

>>179856613

Well fuck me then. The game won't even fucking launch. Just endless crashing.

>>179855415
wake me up when it's a gud game

Ok got it running. First impression...woof. This does NOT feel good to play...

>>179855415
wake me up when it's mushi futanari, or at least an sh-3 non yagawa cave game.

I should've listened and remained in blissful ignorance. 2 and 3 are superior games in every conceivable way.

>>179858862
At least the devs did something right. It would be pretty terrible if you walked away feeling like the first was the pinnacle of the series and they just went down hill from there.

>>179858983

AGHHH! My ears! Jesus Christ the sound glitches even! What the fuck did Degica do just drop a dotemu rom or some shit into their UI or some shit?

>>179858548
mushifuta is overrated

gibsmedat ketsui

> it's very hard to enjoy the game when there's no music. XD

>There doesn't seem to be any music?

>No music? That's not a problem we've encountered during QA...

>implying degica has ever done any QA on any game ever

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Bahmpu~

Might as well stream this dumpster fire.

twitch tv/waywardsera/

>>179863315
Holy shit, this game looks like fucking garbage.

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Bahmpu~

>>179863315
>>179864379
I am legit entertained. Plus it is inspirational in some ways

>dfw not enough space for a console
Consoles really have some nice games, but I just don't have the space for this. I wished I could just connect them to my laptop, and not having to buy an extra screen for them.

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Bump before bed. Keep it up, /shmupg/.

>>179852507
Magic is great, isn't it?

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Bahmpu~

>>179869327
It is indeed

>>179796982
>I already played CCWI
lol if you think CCWI is the same as a Cave game. just lol

>>179802002
Yes and no. Scoring usually is an extension of regular play with better routing and knowledge of the score system that's in place. I say usually because there are games that utilize bugs, like Mushihimesama Maniac and Ketsui. Speedrunning usually has very little in common with regular play, unless it's a lesser-played game that glitch hunters haven't fucked around with. Aside from that pedantry though, they both involve heavy route memorization and practice, and many many attempts.

>>179819580
Sure. I love the game, and would even consider it one of their best. The port is also very well done, if you're considering buying the PS4 port.

this review is pure shit https://youtu.be/77MsWo0sXj4

How do I get Cho Ren Sha to work with obs

>>179872839
no its better than cave
still inspired b it though

>>179873305
>there are games that utilize bugs like cave games
gee wonder its only cave who utilize bugs

lolks so fucking weird

KoF98 best fighting game desu
The big roaster, teamplay, and really great artstyle just makes it the best

>>179879982

Wrong thread but thanks for the bump

>>179877558
>no its better than cave
>still inspired b it though
because japs always take existing things and build upon them.

>>179880107
I mean 3rd Strike is nice too, but it only has like 4 good characters with the majority of them being shotos. Apart from this is the parry mechanic actually annoying when you think about, since it heavily favors grapplers and totally negates the point of projectile characters

>>179880665
No, artists take existing things and build upon it.

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>>179877684
>gee wonder its only cave
Or maybe I only referenced Cave games because they're the only ones people give a shit about. :thinking emoji:

Just to humor you though, Battle Garegga's entire gimmick revolves around exploiting of weird coding, but for an actual bug you get points from killing the giant turrets in stage 6 twice if you kill them with a bomb. Scoring in Judgement Silversword requires knowledge of how to abuse the two shots (holding one and rapid-firing the other). Battle Traverse apparently has some bullshit going on, requiring weird timings to cancel bullets that are not visible or haven't been fired yet.

Also, while not really buggy, Bakraid's scoring is ridiculous.

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>>179881087
Didn't mean to attach an image to that post, but whatever. I wait warmly for some faggot to meme on me again.

>>179881087
>Cave and YGW games utilize bugs
gee wonder why it's only them

>>179881246
What did Yagawa have to do with JSS or BT?