/arena/ - Arena FPS General

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>tfw no qt quake gf

>>179676406
[pitched down HUH]

>>179676394
they dont exist anon

>>179676406
>Those Blizzard-tier pauldrons

>>179677691
https://1d4chan.org/wiki/Pauldrons

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>>179678102
>Tiny axe...

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>Ranger
>ever not having pauldrons the size of his head

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>New player to the game in chat
>he claimed Sorlog the cutest voice and best girl

They learn so fast ;_;

Also they gonna fix this cluster fuck of not being able to get in games because it stays stuck on the ready button?

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>all these news and leaks

>>179682919
More leaks other than the pics in the last thread?

>>179683326
I took a break so I was just reading the last general, and saved this place from page 10.

Surprised Doom is not called Slayer but Marine, probably paving the way for classic costumes.

>update beta
>click play
>game opens and immediately closes
nice
epic
i like it

>>179683940
works for me :^)

>>179683940
The game is insanely wonky right now.

>>179684072
a-at least the patch notes show they're working pretty hard

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>>179683617
I can't wait to go berserk with my boy Doom.

>>179684072
>>179685379
Game is a beta , they'll get to your problems soon

>>179683617

The brown women is Athena with a grappling hook

Keels ability is a grenade launcher

Strogg coming soon

>>179686231

Which strogg?

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>bug report the grammatical error in Clutch's shop description
i am saving the genre

>>179686329
strogg infiltrator

bitterman when?

Quake champions at its utter core is the best game i've ever played
The shit netcode, insanely horrid cpu usage, and a littany of other fuck ups to the games fine tuning take it down a few pegs
I sincerely hope they polish and balance it out before the game releases

>>179688436
its a beta for a reason

if theres anything id does well it's the tech

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>Texture quality at medium by default
>Game says my computer can't handle any higher
I mean my rig isn't great, but I've never had a game outright tell me I'm simply not capable of anything higher than medium. Usually I can get highest texture settings in games without an issue, but an arena FPS can't?
What's so special about the textures in Quake Champions?

>>179689301
you probably dont have enough VRAM

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I'm playing QL on an obsolete video card so I thought I'd pop by and ask everyone: how are you enjoying the new ztn?

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>>179676406

>>179688661
too bad it's up to saber and not id then

The duel format in QC is absolute trash.

>>179688436
So much this, I really hope they fine tune that shit. Earlier versions I had no problems with, these last two though, have given me aids.

why does the music in this game suck so much
give me them aggro industrial tunes back yo

>>179693852
I think Mick Gordon is doing the music, but this is definitely not his best work. They should bring Sonic Mayhem back.

>>179692605
On this topic:
What do people think about having no frag limit and very short round timers (5 minutes mb) but you get OT unless you lead by more than 2 frags?
People speculate that Bethesda made duel like this to avoid having long winded stomps like you get in QL, CPMA or virtually any afps. Introducing a system like this would limit game time when there's a stomp significantly like most other games do (OW, mobas and CS all end up at approx half of max game time when there's a stomp). It's a better experience for everyone as a stomp isn't enjoyable for virtually anyone.

This of course makes certain maps with huge swings like aerowalk very random. It could be dealt with by having map specific win conditions.

I think it's better than the current system. And I'd like it in other games too as I really enjoy the close games the most and would easily have games be 20 minutes if I could guarantee that the games I got weren't bad.

I don't think Sabre will fix that though as Bethesda seems hell bent on killing duel.

>>179693953
There is no indication that he is doing the score for QC, I recall him mentioning he is working on a project for someone outside of the U.S.

>>179694121
As a spectator sport, last year's QL Final's between Rapha and Evil were some of the most enjoyable Duels I've watched. With the 3 champ format, I don't think we will see Duels like that ever again.

>>179694194
I think I heard it somewhere but I don't remember so don't quote me on it but nonetheless the music is boring.

>>179694568
It's more Q1 than it is Q2-3, albeit Q3 had some pretty low-key tracks. Such as:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j7H7KpUBbKI&index=5&list=PL996FB4FA945EAFA9

I would flip all the fucking tables if Mick Gordon remixed Q3dm6

>>179676406
Dont HUH to me or my son ever again

>>179694568
no doubt about it
music is a huge part of the feel of this game
the music playing on ruins of sarnath feels like a lullaby or a sad scene from a shitty american movie

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>>179677245
>tfw quake girl sounds qt on voice chat but she might not be qt irl

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>>179695160
>tfw she turns out to be Lucy irl

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>>179695442
>mfw

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>>179695442

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>>179694891
remix that shit and I will cum buckets.

>>179696512
>cum buckets
I'm sick of how we have to express things so crudely here all the time.
Can we not just stop that and be normal?

>>179696902
>1996+21
>expecting things to be normal in the house of those touched by the black goat of the woods with a million young

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>>179696512

In Q1, telefragging works by standing in the place of the teleporting individual's destination in order to kill them. When they appear and you're in the way, they explode into gibs. This can be done in both multiplayer and singleplayer.

But in the final level of the SP campaign, the Quake guy kills Shub-Niggurath by stepping through a portal and teleporting onto the boss's location. By the usual mechanics of the game, the Quake guy should explode, but instead Shub-Niggurath does.

>makes you think

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>>179696902
I would flip all the tables bro

eat my balls bro :^)

How is it that this patch brought back so many issues?

>>179697172
no Ranger TPed to Shub since she was there first she gets gibbed while Ranger lives.

what the fuck is happening with matchmaking?

>>179697341

Yet when the player runs over a a regular enemy's spawn, they get telefragged.

>>179697479
>>179697172
it's because in quake- like in doom- telefragging is always in favor of the player

>>179697479
>>179697605
also it wouldn't be fun if you die out of nowhere.

If two players had perfect accuracy would clutch be an ideal pick?
>get stacked
>slow walk during fights for damage reduction
>shield to negate opponent's active

>>179700658
Yes

>>179694121
With how the stacks work too it's pretty much whoever rails better wins. Blowjob also has killed dueling since you literally just grab LG and get a free kill.

>>179700969
>Blowjob also has killed dueling since you literally just grab LG and get a free kill.

surley he will get changed his active is game breaking as shit

>>179702350
it's not as much as his activity itself as the fact that you can't see that he's using it until it's too late

What's the best ability and why is it Bullrush?

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>>179704643
I WILL LEAD THE WAY

>>179704643
good escape
good finisher
good booster

it does everything

>>179707438
on par with dire orb I'd say
bullrush can't allow you to go in one direction, look the other way, grab red and then instantly appear at rail for example

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>>179695442

>>179700969
Yeah I agree. But with how duels are now they're simply too short when you get a good game. Too much waiting. Imagine a tournament with 20% waiting in lobbies while casters try to figure out stuff to talk about.

>>179704643
How about BJs ability. It really is the best. It's just not on a strong character (for good reason).
Scalebearer with that would be unstoppable.

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still accurate

>>179708184
i love how everything else is edited in some way except the shambler

Never played an Arena shooter before, how should I get into the genre?

>>179708171
BJ's passive compliments his active really well though, since his ideal playstyle is pretty much to spend as little time fighting with one gun as possible. That free 25 health seems to make a pretty big difference for survivability and fleeing.

>>179708862
It's $10, but Quake Live free for all is a pretty good place to start. Do the QL movement tutorials, as many as you can finish (or just hop into ffa and do them later), watch a video on strafejumping, and bind all the weapons to keys near WASD and/or mouse buttons. If you like it play ffa until you want to play a team game, then do some Clan Arena or freeze tag. Basic strafejumping is important but easy to learn. One big thing that took a while for me was getting used to the weapon hotkeys, enough to the point that they're instinct. Like, it took me months. During the early learning phase it's good to focus on just aiming properly with whatever weapon you have out instead of worrying too much about having the right weapon out for every situation; you'll learn that over time.

In ffa/freeze tag you'll find that the same players win every time, it's because of how well they time and control items. Learning item/wep spawns is huge. You don't need to worry about that in Clan Arena but you'll often find yourself getting btfo by people who know the maps well enough to predict where you're going.

You can start with Quake Champions too, but it's lacking tutorials atm and I think QL is a better place to start since everyone's on equal footing; there aren't character differences and abilities and shit to distract you. QL has clan arena too which is nice for learning maps, hotkeys, basic movement and rocket jumping around because there aren't items, you start with all weapons and take no self damage.

>>179709706
>wall of text
tl;dr I recommend starting with quake live

>>179697172
bruh thats not how teleporting works in quakeworld

>>179708862
join the /arena/ discord or join us during one of the wuake nights
there are newbies you can learn the game with

>>179708868
>free 25
It's 12 on average. Since you only heal up 24 hp if you're one above the next bracket.
It's not that big a compliment for a fighting ability. It's rather poor sustain. Ideal would be anarkis mobility with BJ.

In ztndm3/blood run for QC you can just camp the teleporter near rail with no repercussions and wait for your HP to go to max since there is a blood pool now.

>>179716330
You lose map control. It's no doubt a successful strategy to stand there a lot of the time but healing to max health isn't a big deal.

>>179708408
It explains itself. It's actually more accurate now that BJ is in the game with the double handed LG
He's like a mini shambler with way better fire rate for christs sake

>>179716883
getting stacked isn't that big of a deal either

i just realized Blazkowicz dual wielding MGs make his silhouette look like hitler from wolf3d

Damn I forgot how fun Quake is.

ded

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these maps are such a pain in the ass
also let thread die to fix the OP y/n?

i just updated my game and why do i have 950 crystals all of the sudden
last time i left i had like 100
what happened

I SAW BOSS BABY IN QUAKE CHAMPIONS?!? (NOT CLICKBAIT)

>>179725037
your gear was baleted

>>179725037
idk i got 350, had like 80 before or something. everyone got a bunch, not sure how they decided how many

>>179725037
you nigger it was so close to dying

>>179725172
its far from dead lmao

>>179725096
(HE ANSWERED!? OMG)

>>179725251
if their netcode "improvements" continue it will be

Why do people defend 2x damage? Why do they say it's actually balanced? What is wrong with their brains?

2x damage > 1x damage
How imbalanced it it? 2x imbalanced

Just fuck my game up ID

Getting tagged by the lightning gun should not guarantee you to die instantly
Shit does too much damage and fucks up your movement in a game where movement is the most satisfying thing ever

>>179727332
>id
Its Sabre.

>>179730418
>tfw id will keep getting shat on based on saber's design flaws

>>179730520
They chose this fate.

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>casters calling the QC quakecon tournament the Quake world tournament
1 million dollar quakeworld tournament. You heard it guys!

>>179731014
bethesda did. id didn't purposely develop their next engine for doom4 and then pay a third rate company to do a separate engine

>>179731476
just bloom my shit up

Have they fixed projectile delay yet?

>>179733051
yes but only on lan

>>179733051
No.
>>179733147
Was there rocket delay on Lan too? Weird.

Tim willits was the one who pushed for multiplayer deathmatching back during quake 1's development. I wonder if he ever thinks about that and the impact it had on the gaming industry as a whole

>>179693953
>Mick Gordon
Umm.... no. If anything, he's working on Wolf 2. It's Chris Vrenna (check the comments, not the title). Game music is fucking shite, but this theme is tight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GGg5EM7bLpo

when are the duel finals today?

>>179737212
>duel finals

??

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How would I go about playing Quake 1 with co-op?

>>179737447
twitch dot tv slash quakechampions

e3 tourney

>>179739587
wow fuck I had no idea, I didnt watch any of e3 save for the BJ reveal

>>179739587
looks like I missed everything, hope there's gonna be vods

>>179739345
>pic
Why you do that to yourself?

I wan't to play the game but the game doesn't want me to play it ;~; keeps kicking me from the match.

>>179739587
>devs vs team liquid
>car mechanics vs formula one drivers
fun to watch though

>>179742348
it is actually surprisingly interesting

Does anyone else think the Quake Champions netcode is beyond ass?

>>179743504
Yes, one of the main issues with the game.

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What happened with the servers? At the start of the beta I had 28 ping, I now have to join the Virginia server with a ping of nearly 100

Also an edit of pic related would be cool can't come up with what to do though

Here we go, Stutterbox.

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>they go to the dev's comms
>complete silence as they get shitfucked
>one of the devs start flaming the other
>tim willits smirks

>>179744786
why didn't you clip it?

Zero4 carrying hard

Haha those frame drops. My sides.

>>179743998
Doomguy not understanding the lightning gun due to there not being a real equivilant to it in his home series

>>179745571
chaingun in doom 3

>>179745571
We'd need to summon a drawbro for that

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what will doomguy's ability be? We know that he will have double jump (I hope with some air control)
also, I'm assuming deathknight is the skeleton in pic related

>>179746412

>what will doomguy's ability be?

It's Berserk.

>>179746412
Death Knight:

Passive-Spook: DK spooks nearby enemies periodically damaging them

Active-Boned: DK targets an enemy champion and gives them his 'Bone' instakill.

real match going to start soon, liquid vs yurop

>>179746412
Glory Kill an opponent at 25 or lower health

Can someone explain to me what exactly you guys mean by crappy netcode in Quake?

I just got into Beta yesterday and it seems to run pretty good on my rig, also network ping seems to be good as well with ~40.
This is coming from someone who tried playing PUBG and had to refund cause it ran like complete ass.

>>179747661
>works on my machine! :)))
exactly
its shit because it cant run well on everyones machines

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holy FUQ

>http://live.e3expo.com/esports-zone

>>179748463
tim is actually bitterman from quake 2

>>179748463
>http://live.e3expo.com/esports-zone
RAIL CHAMPIONS

So the way you use Tri-Bolt is backpedal and spam. Really gets the HUH going

>>179749205
kovaak was right rail was a mistake

Surprised Strenx is so shit at this game given how aim heavy it is.

>quake movement was always better than Unreal

>http://www.shacknews.com/article/100340/e3-2017-quake-movement-always-felt-better-than-unreal-tournament

well fuq, ut is the slowest game ever

>>179749538
wtf i love cliffyb now

>>179749538
>Cuck Blizenski

Opinion discarded

>>179749950

>Butthurt UTfag

How long until the game leaves Pre alpha eh?

Even the 90's porn goddess Asia Carerra is now playing QC, and she used to duelstomp everyone

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Will Quake Champions ever be able to support mods (deFRAG) or custom maps?

>>179750386
No. you dumbass.

>>179750386
yeah for MONEY creators club

>Rapha uses Sorlag
WTF? I LOVE RAPHA NOW

Will QC revive Reflex and CPMA?

>he throws the soul onto the enemy Obelisk

what did he mean by this?

>>179750858
no it will put them in the grave permanently

is that makiavelli casting on the left side?

>>179751258
This makes me very sad. We put so much work into Reflex...

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damn tim is a manlet

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>>179752151

>>179749538

everyone knows that

quake had the movement, UT had the better gunplay

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>Make a game with incredibly solid and FAST as FUCK movement
>The strongest gun in the game completely fucks over your ability to do anything movement related, and is a death touch at every single inch of its retarded ass range
W h y ?

>>179753171
UT having better gunplay is a meme
flak cannon is sweet but rocket launcher is dogshit and slower than quake 2
snipers are even worse than railgun because it does 150 damage with a headshot and there are huge head hitboxes

>>179752984
WHEN WILL THEY LEARN?

>>179753589
I think Rail max ammo count GREATLY reduced would help

also fuck trying to stack up is hard as hell, the armor you get from frags needs to be more significant not light/heavy good but not shit either

If they fix these two things QC will feel perfect

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>blowjob gets free kills on whoever he sees when his ability is up if he has an lg

ebin game my dudes

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>>179753830

>UT having better gunplay is a meme

quake has 3 guns, none of which even have an alt fire

your argument is invalid

>>179754065
Does BJ actually have to pick two of the same weapon to dual wield them?

>>179754258
by that logic UT has 1 with two modes
great game

>>179753909
Not rail gun, the lightning gun
I guess i should have been more specific
Rail isnt the best right now and im fine with its push back i guess, it just needs to be 85 dmg with or without scope because fuck trying to slow the game down for no reason

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>>179754323
nope, just has to have the active up

whatever weapon he currently has out gets dubs

>>179754335

except UT is not just the shock rifle, but quake is really just those 3 guns

>>179754723
increasing rail damage slows down the game, not vice versa

>>179755043
My point isnt the fucking rail gun i dont care about it
The god damn problem with the game right now is the lightning gun its so god damn retarded i hate it

>>179754778
jew armor customization when?

>>179755119
That and fucking lockbox, which is related because the lightning gun spawn is right next to the rocket launcher spawn surrounded by dumb ass stage hazards

>>179755195
Probably after beta ends/Colossus is released

>>179755119
I think the only problem with the LG is it's range

it's a little too far for how good the weapon is at all ranges especially mid and close other guns don't have an advantage over it

>>179756453
Decrease pushback for it, put damage drop off and reduce the range

>>179756561
lol, sounds like you're just garbage

>>179754258
Quake 3
>all weapons are deadly and you can be useful right off spawn
>well thought out armor system that encourages moving around the map and building up stacks instead of camping
>item times that encourage strategy as well as mechanical skill

UT99
>weapon balance all over the place with a focus on gimmicks over functionality
>retarded armor system even more unbalanced than quakeworld with shield belts completely reducing all damage
>item times had no thought put into them with odd numbers and decimal points like 27.3 or 54.5 seconds

UT99 is shit and almost nobody duels on it for a reason.

>>179757143
>unbalanced armor system in quakeworld
oh boy

>>179757982
Quakeworld red armor doesn't reduce damage by 100% and stack.

can someone explain this? 1m51s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iDRnj176DZs

>>179760914
Explain what exactly?
I didnt notice anything weird at the time stamp

>>179760914
there's a grate right there

>>179761110
Oh, the weird flick thing, nevermind

>>179760914
Reminds me of when I forget I have the shotgun out in TF2 and try to rocket jump, but QC has viewmodels.

Either that or he was aiming for the grate and missed. Or was trying to throw off his opponent with the sound.

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>>179762527
>tfw you rocket jump and forget you have quad

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>>179763075

Get rekt nigga

what server is everyone playing on?

>>179764536
the "can't play until weekend" server

>>179764536
Zimbabwe east

>>179708184

>Oh god we're getting our asses kicked by the enemy team so hard and this random fucking Shambler comes outta nowhere to fuck us even more

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>>179763075
>big glowing PURPLE weapon
>guess I better rocket jump

who the fuck looks at their weapons

>>179764536
The Dojo - Texas 4
(reflex Arena)

>>179768551
>tfw the game sells skins so zero chance of being able to disable viewmodels

>>179769038
Reflex does the same. And it lets you disable view models.

>>179769495
free weekend when, shill-kun?

>>179769038
>>179769495
and tf2
funny thing is lots of people buy expensive golden weapons and then make their game look like shit using configs and disable their viewmodels so ironically theyre the ones to see their pretty weapon skin the least
>>179770865
>talking about an arena fps on an arena fps general is shilling
:think:

https://www.twitch tv/dondeq2
why haven't you played quake 2 ctf yet?

>>179733642
eh doom already did deathmatch, iirc quake was actually designed around netplay first and foremost because doom multiplayer was so popular. do you have a source on tim willits pushing for DM? would be interesting to read

>>179745767
are you sure that wouldn't be MG? chaingun is more like the weapon used for long range and punishing bad positioning

>>179772079
chaingun in doom 3 is like the chaingun in quake 2 but with higher max ammo and 50 rounds at a time only

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>mfw que times in the Quake Champions beta

Just give me dedicated servers fuck

>>179774292
bruh just play one of the other arena poopers until they fix QC no reason to burn yourself out on an unfinished game

>>179774292
The age of AAA games with dedicated, player-run servers is more than likely over. Bethesda obviously wants to exercise maximum control over their game's experience (textures, the progression system, etc. for marketing/brand image purposes) so our best bet is to hope they will allow us to rent servers from them. That way they can get some money from an otherwise profitless endeavour.

It would be all right to rent, I guess, but something tells me they will severely limit the kinds of things you can do in games to keep them as aligned with their "vision" of Quake as possible. The last thing they want is a potential customer's first exposure to QC to be a low-grav instagib or something wacky. I heard Battlefield 1 is a shitshow when it comes cvars for server operators.

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>mfw que times

>>179774387
I live in Australia so I've kinda just assumed that they're all dead for my region

>>179775497
antilag/unlagged my dude
it wont be the best but its better than nothing

>>179755195
Possibly full of spoilers

>>179779721
They showed off the armor in the New Colossus trailer

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Is he /ourguy/?

>>179755119
you're a shitter that never played QL beyond rocket jumping around against bots

>>179781809
I've literally never played a quack or proper arena shooter before
How am i suddenly the worst shitty reddit tier player for finding it unfun that you fucking instantly die when you get pinged by the lightning gun, while it being extremely unsatisfactory to have your ebin movement train stopped by some monkey camping a room

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>>179782941
Play arenakino instead then

>>179782941
LG can be really hard to deal with honestly, but QC's version just has alot of knockback. Past iterations were really OP, so I don't think id will nerf it.

>>179782941

>I've literally never played a quack or proper arena shooter before
>How am i suddenly the worst shitty reddit tier player for finding it unfun that you

You become the worst shitty reddit tier player when it was made apparent that you had never played Quake or any other proper arena shooter before, by the time of the current year, 2017

Honestly the more I play the beta the more it feels like id doesn't give a shit.
>netcode shitty again
>adadarki still aids
>nyx still aids
>RL delay back
>nailgun still worthless
>matchmaking is shit

>>179784702
>>Nailgun worthless
Just fucking hit them

>>179782941
LG is nothing like an instant kill in QC lol. But yeah if you've never played an arena FPS or something aim intensive at least you're going to be awful. What did you expect?

also is anyone else getting this UI_BACKEND_ERROR thing when they try to queue in QC? I haven't been able to play any of the new maps or anything in this update

>>179785960
Its not an instant kill as much as a guarentee that you will die no matter what unless you can perfectly double shoot them with a rocket launcher or rail gun

>>179786039
unless you're playing 1v1 in an empty box map it's not that simple.
There's elevation, line of sight, corners, other players in the server.

Also it's not harder to kill with rockets than LG in an open fight, and if you have a pillar or something to play wiht line of sight you arguably have an edge if they try to go LG only. Also SG will kill faster at close range than LG if you hit your shots. Also you forget the damage output of the LG depends on the user's skill (and the quality of the target player's movement) unless you're playing a chalmpion with a big ass hitbox but then you can tank the damage anyway if you don't miss too much.

Remember combat skill isn't just aim and movement, it's also awareness and positioning. You can not LG someone without being in their lineo f sight, so if people can consistently get you with it withotu being punished you're doing something wrong

>>179786039

This guy did basic combat tutorials for QL, it should still work for QC. Good luck Anon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJLZLbJxjKA

>>179785319
Shits not that easy would be great if there was a bright contrail Like plasma that gave me an idea about where my bullets were going and the rate they were leaving my gun at.

>>179768507
>actually thinking actively while playing quake

>>179749338
he's an aim lord but he's also a very aggressive player. being aggressive is not very good in this game's duel mode.

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What does Visor say in his new select?

>>179787229
contrast with tox another aimlord who isn't so aggressive (and also a bigger gamebrain than strenx)

>>179768103
The shambler is supposed to represent someone with disgusting lg accuracy you dumb fuck

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>>179768103
>Quakeworld rune mod gameplay.html

Are we letting the thread die early so we can remake or should we keep bumping?

>>179782941
Dodging if huge when it comes to facing an LG. If you have a predictable movement pattern or are just moving/standing in the same straight line you are going to get pegged.

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>>179791841
That might come as "shocking" to some newbies

>>179791841
it's very counter-intuitive for some people from CS backgrounds I think. A lot of them just aren't aware of their own movement and what they look like to people shooting them when they run in straight lines

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>>179792848
>mfw I often see shitters who never jump and thinkg that stopping + crouching is an effective way of fighting 1v1

>>179792965
>jumping while someone is using LG>RG>or RL

it's like you want to die, just drop your keyboard and let them kill you if you'r going to jump

>>179792965
there is an entire generation of FPS players that have never even seen an arena shooter (faux arena shooters like Sloverwatch dont count)

>>179793293
> not jumping to reduce floor rocket damage
> not surfing damage to safety

>>179750858
I think there's a good change that it will attract more people to the genre in general. People who like CPMA/Reflex probably can't really feel much benefit in playing QC over those games.
Question is if newbies will find themselves trying other afps if they're not feeling QC is good or whatever.

Not sure about that. But I think awareness of the genre is likely to be a multiplier on any marketing efforts for other afps.

>>179791841
Yeah. Kovaak made a good point about LG fights in these games in this interview with thorin:
https://youtu.be/leRZIz6vyso
They're overall fairly unenjoyable but Reflex does something to that. You can actually dodge LG more interactively because of the accuracy of the net code. I hadn't thought of it before but after playing since he said this it's so obvious. In QL you tend to hold a strategy for dodging and you adjust purely based on the dps you're facing or if your aim is being poo because of your dodging. In reflex you actually interactively dodge. It's only really noticeable in a contested control situation between equal players but it's so sweet when you feel it.

2gd has talked a lot about LG fights too and how they're very boring to watch. I'm sure that's mainly QL/Q3/Q4 that gives him that perspective. Not sure what diabolical is doing about their net code but this could be a great time for afps.
>meanwhile, in QC
You get LG'd around corners. I dunno how id dared to put their name on this product. It's worse than earlier quakes by a long shot. Issues like this might kill the game. Given how their main competition is OW (simply because they will dwarf other afps for a while now) they should nail the net code. OW isn't perfect but they're very good compared to a lot of games. If people try this game coming from that they will be put off. Even if it's just a beta.

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When?

>>179800006
>a guy, a man and a ger

>>179787285
"Им нe cпpятaтьcя" - "They can't hide (from me)" roughly

>>179800153
>and a BJ

>>179774387

>bruh just play one of the other arena poopers until they fix QC no reason to burn yourself out on an unfinished game

this.
the prospect of qc and the new ut got me back into the genre after not playing since ~2005, and i found myself playing quake live and reflex instead to get around the general inconvenience/shittiness of qc

>>179802691
last afps i played a lot of was ut2k4 good to see all the quake games still alive and being modded

>>179803297

same here, last one i played seriously was 2k4, though i had some friends that kept playin quake through the years(before becoming normie faggots), so i knew that quakes were still being kept alive by dedicated folks.

mostly i'm just happy for the prospect of new afps with healthy player numbers, but yea i've found myself having more fun with quake live and especially reflex than quake champions so far

>>179803729
You should've played CPMA with us last weekend

Has anything changed with Quake Champions over the last few weeks? Haven't been keeping up.

>>179803910
they added 3 new maps and a new champions but messed with the overall stability of the game

>>179803863

must've missed it in the thread, i'd be down for sure
i played more cpma than vq3 way back so it feels a lot more... refreshing? to me

>>179804027
no plans for one this weekend but we should have a quake night the sunday after this next one

>>179804262
Also there's a group that does CPMA CTF every weekend

>>179803910
some welcoming changes (three new maps so they aren't just Blood Covenant/Ruins of Sarnath/Burial Chamber, BJ Blazkowicz as a new Champion/Shameless promotion and a better Grenade Launcher)

but with an even less welcoming performance drop to boot. I literally can't load up my game this time despite it working properly in the last two CBT builds

>>179804768
What are your specs? I had issues at the starting of every round with FPS but it always cleared up before the round really started.

BJ as a character is interesting - i'm not surprised.

>>179791949
I tried playing overwatch as junkrat, some people in diamond would just move in straight lines and then ask how I would always hit them

>fighting nyx
>vanishes
>start running in a direction
>turn around and fire a rocket
>nyx appears and swallows my hot explosive load
predicted with ease

>>179804847
it's relatively low end for now 7th gen i5, nvidia 930MX with 8GB RAM, just to see if it's optimized like how nuDoom managed even run on a cheap laptop of mine

it can definately run on a crisp 60fps before but it simply refuses to leave the loading screen now

> daily challenge: get 5 assists
> man i don't feel like playing team modes
> reroll
> turns into get 10 assists
fug
guess i'm playing a round of TDM then

> QC chat auto censors 'bad words'
> can't write assist because it contains 'ass'

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bj is bullshit

everytime the thought "what should i do against X champ" creeps into my skull i shudder for a moment and realize that i am playing QUAKE and yet here i am thinking about CLASSES

YOU FUCKING NIGGERS IF I WANTED TO PLAY A CLASS BASED SHOOTER I'D PLAY TF2, THIS IS FUCKING SACRILEGE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>179809489

"her" is censored for some reason, too

>>179809489
it censors "her" as well

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>>179790368
>load up game on patch day
>psyched as fuck for BJ motherfucking Blazkowicz
>see that I have like 900 Shards
>buy Q3 machinegun to simulate pic related
>use ability
>kill someone
>'Get Psyched'
>my dick when

is LG still fucked?

i get hit once and i go from full health to dead

ALSO STOP VOTING FOR BU-RAIL YARD-BER YOU FUCKS

>>179780980
probably

how do i combo kill?

>>179812431
>deal damage with gun A
>swap and kill with gun B

>>179812431

play cpma for proper gunplay

people with slow brains can't comprehend instant weapon switching

>>179813069
instant weapon switching is not hard
you can use lg for 2 ticks of damage then switch to rail for instant spawnkill in cpma

twitch tv/quakechampions is live

>>179813275
>isn't hard
True on the mechanical level but on the strategic level it's harder. In QL switching weapons mid fight is so prohibitally expensive in terms of DPS that you can only do it when your hope of dealing damage is very low with the current weapon (I.e. Rockets->LG when a fight goes from short to long range). So the choices are always very clear cut. In instant switching games you get to consider things like terrain, how much your weapon choice will put your enemy off, if you can zone your enemy into a bad position with LG and then rocket him. Using grenades and cover to get unpunished damage. There's all kinds of stuff.
Switches to rail are not my favorite though. Rail should have an additional equip time.

YOU SAID THE LG IS FIXED
WHERE IS THE FIX
WHAT DID IT FIX
ITS STILL BENDING AROUND CORNERS TO HIT ME AND DOING 600 DPS
EXCEPT WHEN I USE IT
THEN IT PASSES THROUGH HARMLESSLY PLAYERS 90% OF THE TIME
WHEN CAN I PLAY THIS GAME WITHOUT IT SUCKING SHIT

>>179815560
oh shit its duel

>>179815560
but where's rapha though

ok now that i actually got to play anarki
hes pretty cool
can get some crazy speed

>>179809489
>>179809892
also censors "pawn," noticeable when typing spawn

protip: capital letters bypass it

needless to say the whole thing is beyond retarded

>let's show how quake dads stomp newbs in our esports event
shithesda marketing is truely genius

>>179819642
that's exactly what i thought watching their e3 presentation; they totally failed to mention quake is actually fun rather than 24/7 srs bsns pros only, even though they should be trying to get players who're new to afps interested in the game.

>>179819642
it's pretty baffling

>>179819925
But QC isn't fun. It'd be false marketing.

>>179819642
they should have got a few noobs, chucked them in a 4 way ffa to show how shit they are, sat them down with the pros for a intense coaching session during the middle of the event and show how they improve

What's this circle around the RG reticle? Does it charge when zoomed now?

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>>179800563
Thx man.

>>179820367
it behaves like the tf2 sniper rifle now for its extra 10 damage

>>179821041
So it can do 100 damage again? I'm actually okay with that.

>>179821214
80 normally, 90 fully charged

>>179820141
Yeah. That'd be cool. Have a coaching tournament. Coaching players commenting on the plays of their trainees.

That'd be awesome. Shit I'd watch that regularly. Take bronze players ship them out to a tournament and have the best coaches in the world make them win in a random quake mod.

> lockbox tdm
> camp quad room with a team of galenas with totems at the tele exit

>>179822179
yep galena seems pretty great on that map

>>179816952
I did notice it's DPS is broken again, and can confirm the bending around corners thing is back.

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>>179788802
>dat texture work

>>179823230
are rockets broken too?
> have quad and RL
> no frags
i'm just using the shotgun now, the only thing i trust to work

>>179823605
the rocket delay is back, i'm sure most of these obviously broken things will get worked out during beta, they just somehow managed to fuck pretty much everything up worse with this last patch

>>179824073
>back
It never left.

>>179824815
then i guess it got better, then rolled back to worse again

>>179770865
If you're the guy who had regrets buying reflex try the Reflex discord. They have pickups and all kinds of things. They have a special newbie channel too where newbies ask for games.
https://discordapp.com/invite/0SrnNbgr3f6Mz9kt

>>179824928
I think this is just placebo. I heard people say it got better when they said it got better but inspecting footage in slowmo there's no real difference.

>>179825457
No way, it was much better last week. I noticed it was back to its former disastrous state immediately when i played the e3 patch

>>179793293
jumping is good if you're timing it with rockets, but if you're just jumping you're gonna get fucked. it's almost never good to jump against lg though you're right about that

whats a good arena shooter to play when mommy and daddy are fighting again

>>179827409
vore tournament

>tfw no qt cpma gf to rail

>>179798103
if you're a hitscan aim enthusiast LG fights are actually pretty fun, but I guess it is a niche thing even within arena shooter playerbases

>>179827406
jumping backwards to push yourself away from LG is a valid quakeworld tactic

>>179827526
how do you gf to rail?

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>>179827486

>>179812431
i think it's bugged so that only rocket -> rail counts as combos in QC atm

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>>179827648
Backwards obviously

>>179823230
>>179816952
the lg is fine

>>179780453

It's not even really new, it's a variation of the armour Caroline used in The New Order.

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>>179827486
???

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>>179827648

>>179828069
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YhvOBkWi98o

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>>179828671

>>179827868
I spawned in as Galena and got vaporized in 3 tics of the LG. It might be a bug rather than the gun constantly being broken however.

>>179829948
YA LOOK TASTY...

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>>179828671

sacrifice isn't so bad to spectate desu, they just need to focus on top fragger and it's ok

>>179830257
3 tics is 21 damage, but i guess this is supposed to be hyperbole.

Anyway if you're getting vaporized super fast it's because he's hitting super high accuracy, which is probably because of your movement. Even the best LGers in the world rarely reach 50% accuracy. Most good aimers will get in the high 30s and low 40s. But if you're jumping or moving in a straight line people can get like 80 lg on you sometimes.

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>>179828671

>>179828671
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=O0TQbRNmYus

>how are people so good at this game already
She's cute but wow, she's dumb.

>>179834505
observers seem to have gotten the hang of it, the first few sac games were terrible with the camera hopping all over the place

>>179838931
who?

is it me or are air rockets way harder to hit in this than other games for reasons unrelated to the delay? In QL and TF2 I can hit air rockets fine, even with high ping rockets, it's just harder i just have to compensate more. But in this game it feels like maybe the extremely high detail of the graphics makes it harder for me to do depth perception properly or something. Like i can't even do the basic consistent ones like when someone goes straight up off a jump pad in QC. There's osmething weird about it

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>>179841309
git gud

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>>179841309
Rockets are ass right now, in general QC is ass right now. Wait till they fix the netcode again

>>179841309
the netcode is f*cked right now play CPMA or QL and you'll notice they feel way better

This duel format is so ass.

>>179842753
yeah it's fucking awful
just play QL and reflex for duel. also I'm still playing QL FFA just because of the tiny map pool in QC. I'm sure that will get better as time goes on though
>>179842000
>>179841984
idk cause I haven't felt any net-related issues with the game except rockets are weird. But it's not the delay people are talking about...it's something else entirely. But since I'm unable to actually identify what it is, I'm thinking it might just be a placebo on my part triggered by the highly detailed graphics that I'm not accustomed to

>>179842753
it feels so short and forces you to play passive

>>179842753
Its way too snowbally

My sides.

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http://forums.reflexarena.com/index.php?/topic/4390-we-need-to-talk-about-the-state-of-the-game/&page=5#comment-36030
>dev gets bothered by comments all the time
>has started to shut up because it only harms to talk
Makes sense. I know none of you even play the game but something is coming. The update gap is 3 months now.
That's more than no matchmaking -> matchmaking update.

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[Eldritch Yaaaarg]

>>179850065
i play memeflex
free weekend when

>>179852778
>shambler
>not fuzzy

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>doom3 and quake4 master server went down like a week ago
>still down
fucking shit damn it d3 was my duel game and q4 was my ffa game, what do I do now

so why is nudoom's multiplayer bad? besides the rampant cheating, because thats what made me quit in the first five seconds of joining

>>179855679
you upgrade to d4 and QC

>>179855679
i'll play on sandwich server with you
not sober though so gonna play like shit

>>179856064
>d4
>upgrade
it's too easy. I played for like 300 hours and I would usually outperform players with max level and 700 to over 1000 hours. most of the top players would play in tdm which is like the gayest mode, with strong RNG influence. whenever they come into team play mix playlist i'd usually outperform them even though they're always in cute little parties with fellow stompers and I play lone wolf

>>179856008
imagine if the quad damage in quake live chose its spawn location randomly. that's what happened with the demon rune in most of the modes in DOOM. it was anti competitive trash. there's like four modes worth playing in that game and due to the playlist system you can't really play them consistently, you have to hope the good modes come in voting and then hope the players in the lobby vote for the good mode

>>179856696
cool, i'll just roll with mg only or something. you in there now? I can join in a few

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>>179856064
that's a downgrade

Why do mouthbreathers vote lockbox? The map just stutters to unplayable levels.

>>179859291
I too would like to know why people vote for that map, it needs weapon balancing a bit. A team that holds top usually wins

>>179811171
thats B.J baby

What's the least dead game right now in the OP?

>>179862174
Quake Champions by far

>>179862174
quake live

>>179859291
Not only that shit but every god damn mongoloid rg/lg camper ruins the fucking fun
>Oh hey you want to go to the one spot where the rocket launcher is?
>LOL I PUSH YOU INTO THE ACID XDXDXDDXD
>FIne i guess ill just go mid
>XD I'VE BEEN CAMPING UP HERE FOR 10 YEARS WITH THE RAIL GUN AND I NEVER MISS XDXDXDXD
On top of that dumb shit its way too confined

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Ybuo7ltw80
did this seriously happen

>>179864415
when the best upcoming FPS by far has the worst marketing by far