/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

woops missed the old thread link:
>>175806418

>>175907558
>seriously just play the game, mix corvettes and destroyers and watch how they don't die first
destroyers with 2 cloud lightning weapons will absolutely obliterate enemy corvette based fleets in the first 20 years of the game. It's a shame there's no upgrade path for cloud lightning.

>>175907768

>arc emitters are the closest thing
>they're x slots

gay as fuck desu

File: desu.png (1MB, 1920x1200px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1920x1200px

Name my ringworld segments.

>>175842148
I really wish the game was more modular in general.
Give us the option of not having to worry about the new features and whatnot.

>>175907867

Energy
Torpedo
Corvette
Spam

>>175907867
Detroit

>>175907812
Imagine if ship components were all based on a "base technology" which could be improved through research. Laser, mass driver, missile, mining laser (particle beam?), cloud lighting... Instead of Lasers Mk2 it'd be increasing the damage or range or accuracy or reducing the cost/build time, sort of repeatable techs but allowing the player to design their own weapons through research.

>>175907575
Dude read past the first sentence of my post, destroyers can't tank. They are literally worse at it than corvettes.
>>175907610
I understand large destroyers pre-cruisers is a big no-no. They don't have significant extra tracking until you get good sensors and chip, though, and their own lack of evasion is to be factored in too

>>175907768
Cloud lighting any good? I figured it was just a waste of research like arc

>>175907971
That would make the game too good, and thats verboten.

>>175908381

Put them on destroyers and melt any army in the first few decades of the game. They're very good since they haev 100 tracking/accuracy so nothing can dodge them. Very hand against corvette spam. The only con is you might not come across void clouds to get the tech.

File: civ vi.jpg (144KB, 628x655px) Image search: [Google]

144KB, 628x655px

I might have missed a mention last thread, but just in case, they announced that Digital Deluxe owners will get the next two DLC Civilization + Scenario Packs for Civ VI as well.

At least two new civs from Africa and Southeast Asia, and three leaders total.

>>175909151
Hey, awesome.

>>175909151
PLEASE BE MALI PLEASE BE MALI PLEASE BE MALI.

>>175907946
DONT STOP BELIEVING

>>175909570

I wouldn't mind Mali, Mansa Musa is a funny fucker.

Why haven't the Hittites ever been in a real civ game? They are pretty important historically and fit an empty era. Sumeria too, they've been absent since BTS I think. Genuinely can't think of any African civs beyond Mali and to some extent South Africa.

>>175910102
Mali, Songhai, Aksum, and Nubia are the only real black civilizations.

So, Horizon Signal. How far down the decision tree do I need to go for the achievement? If I decide to ignore the signal at the very first decision branch, does that count as "not closing the loop" for it? Or do I need to get to the very, very last one before it counts? (I'm on ironman obviously so there's no room for experimentation.)

>>175910745
>If I decide to ignore the signal at the very first decision branch, does that count as "not closing the loop" for it?
First one and second one isn't enough.

Horizon Signal feels wrong for Commonwealth of Man since they're colonists who didn't evolve on the moon they start from.

File: r8.jpg (959KB, 3840x2160px) Image search: [Google]

959KB, 3840x2160px

r8 muh spess elfs

They are based (stolen) from Master of Orion.

Alpine is best biome. This is literally irrefutable.

>>175910989
why not use the space elf mod

>>175911031
Why is that?

>>175910989
Insufficiently blue.

How long until we can blow habitats out of the sky?

>1.6 Adams Update

>Humans are now Adaptive, Nomadic and Wasteful instead of Quick Learners and Nomadic

File: 1466519317146.jpg (130KB, 536x900px) Image search: [Google]

130KB, 536x900px

>>175911249
Or at least find creative and interesting ways of re-purposing them.

>>175911320
whats wrong with this

>>175911320

Wasteful was a mistake. It should be gluttonous. High/Low Metabolism traits with more or less food consumption.

>>175910974
I see. I'm not really receptive to the ethics changes it causes, so I may just sit on it and do it as the very last thing before quitting my current empire. I had the RNGesus smile on me and stumbled on the signal about ten years into the game, so I immediately jumped out of the system and left it to hibernate in my situation log.

Who hype for Endless Space 2?

>>175911442
>And an other change is that humans are going to be adaptive, nomadic and wasteful.
>Yeah, I don't know why they were Quick Learners considering what happened in 2016.
>And that whole Trump thing.
>Yeah

>>175911627
i just hope it comes out on steam so i can get chevements for my e-pen

>>175911442

They should be deviants instead.

File: 1493111508148.png (2KB, 219x169px) Image search: [Google]

2KB, 219x169px

>>175911320
>elects a female negro
>not wasteful

File: 20170505060743_1.jpg (571KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

571KB, 1920x1080px

>>175910330
>aksum

Yes please, I want my spice boys

>>175911694
They're such good little swedecucks it's unbearable.

>>175911751
>He doesn't know

> Possible to repair ruined Ringworlds with the Mega-Engineering technology
> Reworked the empire diplomacy rooms into a set of 16 different rooms themed around AI personalities that can be freely chosen between when designing an empire
> Replaced Growth Time modifier effect with Growth Speed and rebalanced related values
> Added the ability to drain sector resource stockpiles, giving you 75% of their stockpiled resources at the cost of 100 influence. The cost is reduced to 25 influence during defensive wars
> It is now possible to terraform inhabited planets if you have researched the new Ecological Adaptation tech
> You can now set taxes for Energy Credits and Minerals on sectors separately
> Ironman autosaving is now quarterly instead of monthly

>Share the Burden edict is no longer possible for synthetic empires

So why would I ever choose synthetic ascension now? Just go full bio for you main pops and have better synths as well?

>>175912364

>not picking every ascension anyway

What a shitter

>>175912486
>Mods will fix it XD

File: Zerg.jpg (29KB, 388x343px) Image search: [Google]

29KB, 388x343px

>Unbidden now turn planets barren after destroying colonies
>The Prethoryn Scourge crisis will now show up more often and the Unbidden less often
>More than doubled the base strength of the Prethoryn Scourge invasion fleets
>Doubled the base strength of the Extradimensional fleets, and their initial fleet has been more than quadrupled
>The power of crisis fleets now scales to the size of the galaxy
>The power of Fallen/Awakened empire fleets now scales somewhat to the size of the galaxy

Anyone been playing GC3: Crusade? How is it? Does it make GC3 more of its own game and less GC2 with better grafix?

>>175912573

Welcome to the modern age of video games where devs are free to be lazy because some nerd will fix it all anyway for free. Steam Workshop was a mistake.

File: Weyland-Yutani_Coporation_Logo.jpg (80KB, 575x269px) Image search: [Google]

80KB, 575x269px

>Corporate Dominion civic no longer requires you to be Egalitarian.

Fucking finally.

>>175909151
OOOOOOO SHAKA

File: Riddicklord02.jpg (132KB, 525x550px) Image search: [Google]

132KB, 525x550px

>It is now possible for Fanatic Xenophobe Spiritualists to be Fanatic Purifiers

>>175912364
Someone said before that Wiz was confused when people told him that synth sucks.

>>175912585
You know this doesn't translate to fun, juts tedium.

> Sectors will now properly stop colonizing when you turn off the colonize setting
> Sectors will no longer settle planets that would anger a Fallen Empire that is superior to their own empire
> Sector AI should no longer build over Alien Pets and Betharian Stone with buildings that can't make use of them
> Fixed an issue where sector AI would construct buildings on tiles worked by Livestock
> Sector AI now prioritizes building robot Pops on planets with unworked buildings
> Sector AI now prioritizes building robot Pops on planets that have biological pops that cannot reproduce
> Sector no longer gets stuck trying to colonize planet in hostile system

>>175913025
Was he also surprised when people told him that Spiritualist is much better than materialist?

>>175913071

>waaaaa i can no longer sit in my corner of the galaxy doing nothing while the AI takes care of the galactic """""crisis"""""
>waaaaaaaa the """""crisis""""" is now an actual threat and it might interrupt my peaceful game of SimCity

Pacifists OUT

>>175913025
Did he say why? Cause honestly I struggle to see the upside at all.

>>175913164
>An actual threat
But it's not. It's just more fleets to chew through.

>>175913164
>>175913484
Also it's not like you can't just turn crises off. Though honestly, instead of just making planets barren, I wish that the Prethoryn and Unbidden just created unique biome types with 0% habitability for everyone, including synths, that could then be terraformed with a rare tech.

I usually just turn crises off because I don't like when the swam spawn and renders a quarter of the galaxy uninhabitable before I can deal with them.

>>175910102
hittites were in civ 3

>>175913172

Who gives a shit man, wiz is a fuckin idiot. You could present a document with 240k words on why Materialism is worse than Spiritualism and he'd just shrug and say "robots are good pops lol"

How he got promoted to lead game designer is beyond me. Total retard who can't balance for shit. Why the fuck is he making Warp even worse than it already is, for example? Were people clamouring for nerfs to Warp? Because I sure as shit didn't hear any of it. Most of what I heard was "unbidden suck, give us scourge" or "megastructures aren't worth making because by the time they are finished you have already won the game". Nah, better nerf warp instead.

>>175913484


I mean, it stops you from just charging to the portal/preth home from the instant they spawn and just killing everything off there and then and nullifying the event. Now with actual fleets you can't just drop on top of them and end it 10 seconds in. I mean, sure you can if you have like a 600k fleet, but like fuck you'll have one of those without some bullshit mods.

You can just turn endgame crises off if you don't like them, since there's no real benefit to having either of them happen anyway. It's just something to do once the game is already over and you're on top of everyone.

>>175913841
Stellar Expansion Terraforming is basically gonna be a requirement for this update, it lets you terraform barren planets into something habitable again.

when are they releasing 1.6?

>>175914438

Tuesday I think they said. Whenever the 1year anniversary is.

>>175907867
New Eden
Nirvana
Xanadu
Zion

Pacifism just seems dumb imo. You can't make an empire if you don't have others to subjugate.

>>175914438
Ninth of May.

>>175909151
LAN XANG
A
N

X
A
N
G

File: 20170425203328_1.jpg (285KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

285KB, 1920x1080px

>>175914557
This is how I pacifist desu

>>175914672
You let the Vehement kill everyone else?

File: Hydor1.png (931KB, 1028x702px) Image search: [Google]

931KB, 1028x702px

I wish I could use Authoritarian for fluff purpose but no migration and enforced slavery is shit.

>>175914891
Same here.

>>175914891

Authoritarians aren't locked into having migration controls on, are they? I seem to remember being able to change it. Enforced slavery too, since all they have is caste system which I think can also be dropped.

>>175914410
Yeah, I just wish Wiz would realize that making a quarter or more of the map completely unusable unless you want to build dozens of habitats isn't fun. I'm all for the crisis factions making a noticeable change on the galaxy that difficult to deal, but all this patch is going to do is make sure that people prioritize the crisis faction more since with the buff they're going to mop the floor with the AI empires even harder, meaning you're going to end up with a large section the galaxy as a wasteland. That's not interesting or fun, it's just annoying.

>>175915006
You drop caste system, and you get no bonuses.

>>175914891

You can be authoritarian without Authoritarian.

Each of the civics is actually misnamed. Pacifist should be called Anti-Militant. Authoritarian should be called Anti-Egalitarian. Materialist should be called Anti-Spiritualist. etc

>>175915067

Which is what the OP wants, authoritarianism for fluff purposes.

>>175915054
>ai
found your problem. Paradox balances for MP for some retarded reason even though the vast majority only play single player.

>>175915006
Well fuck me sideways, I never played much with the species right.

>>175915286
They play MP in the office and stick their fingers in their ears and scream that it means everyone else does too.

>>175914891

Personally, I think authoritarians should get something to combat unrest in general instead of being slavers.

>>175915392
>>175915286
Eh, who cares what Paradox wants to do with Vanilla? It's not like anyone here literally plays with no mods.

I mean, is there anyone like that? I bet even the cucks at paradox have a secret PC at home they don't let anyone at work know about where they have a personal fully modded Stellaris rig .

>>175915596
I doubt anyone will make a mod removing the planet-fucker ability from the crises.

>>175914891
Xenophile Authoritarian is broken.
Having xeno slaves means - 20 % happiness for the xenophile faction, which is what your biggest faction will be.
So fuck paradox.

>>175915642
There's a terraform a barren planet mod though. And who knows? If it annoys enough people, maybe there just will be.

File: 1354924938653.jpg (7KB, 327x240px) Image search: [Google]

7KB, 327x240px

>Can't complete this event chain because the Enigmatic fortress is in the system with the special project and one of the mods I have installed buffed it by giving it shitty little sniper drones that can ping anywhere in the system (shit accuracy, but a science ship has no chance, especially with the glacial speed it has while technically in combat.)

>>175915491
You can use Police State civic, though that's available to all non-egalitarian empires.

>Enigmatic Fortress nerf.

You will be missed.

File: secure.jpg (173KB, 826x1348px) Image search: [Google]

173KB, 826x1348px

>>175915828

Police State is available to non-fanatic egalitarian empires too.

What's with the Exile event? The one with the mysterious scientist on a planet? You can choose to raid his lab or take him in. Is there anything else to the event beyond this choice?

>>175915876

>power core, one of two usefuls
>shields, outdone by psionics, only other useful
>+chance to hit, tracking, does nothing due to bug that probably won't get fixed
>fortress module, need I go on

Yeah, definitely save scumming that or modding it back to how it was. Love it when a game that is mostly played in single player gets dicked by XD MULTIPLAYER balance.

>>175916056
>shields outdone by psionics
Actually, it has the same stats.

>>175915876

How is it getting nerfed?

>>175916168

Ah, okay. Well, the point still stands, it's useless if you have the psionic shields, great if you don't. So, 3 out of 4 are useless under certain circumstances, else 2 out of 4.

>>175916285

You get a random tech instead of all 4.

>>175916285

One random enigmatic tech instead of all of them.

File: 20170505155321_1.jpg (258KB, 1280x1024px) Image search: [Google]

258KB, 1280x1024px

I like the dynamic borders mod but it needs to modify the AI so they are more likely to drop outposts around and make Xenophobes try to actively build shit in your borders and take stuff, border range is a stupid concept, needs to be replaced with claims.

We need to have a de facto and de jure owner system, maybe when the space UN update comes it would make sense.

>>175916475
>Having to build observation posts in every goddamn system
Fuck off, democratic authority.

>De jure
You've claimed that star for ten years. You have de jure on jackshit.

>Space UN
Considering hives and purifiers, you shouldn't be forced to engage in this faggotry at all.

>>175916475
>>175916537

Borders should just be taken out of the game

>>175916634
Because having no borders totally makes sense when every 4x and grand strategy has some version.

>>175916679
>Gotta have borders
>Why
>TRADITION

>>175916537
>Fuck off, democratic authority.
Outposts have no influence upkeep in this mod, kinda makes sense since their range is just big enough to cover one system.

>You've claimed that star for ten years. You have de jure on jackshit.
If you controlled a system long enough, their claims could disappear over time

>Considering hives and purifiers, you shouldn't be forced to engage in this faggotry at all.

This would likely what would happen

>Give xenophobes the ability to make more claims
>Purifiers claim the entire galaxy
>No one takes it seriously/defends their claims because everyone hates them
>Eventually get their shit kicked in after a bunch of territory disputes with no one coming to their side

>>175916679

Stellaris has plenty of unique mechanics, no reason it can't make up some more instead of clinging to archaic shit from the 90s.

>>175916734
>>175916537
Another thing, you don't need outposts, can claim/control systems with ships as well

>>175916727
>>175916752
Because it's a logical mechanic. Every empire is going to have territory that belongs to it. This is represented with a border.

Also, you are clearly a samefag.

>>175916734
Building outposts is still ridiculously tedious and mineral consuming. You want games to take two thousand years now?

>If you controlled a system long enough
You aren't understanding. De jure is essentially an ancestral and historical claim to a system. It takes a lot longer than the timeframe of most Stellaris games to justify claiming you have 'de jure' on anything beyond your home system.

>This would likely what would happen
And this is a problem because those play styles are meant to be viable, moron.

>>175916870

>40 seconds between posts
>samefag

This retard lmao

Fuck off dude, nobody cares about your shitty idea and your walls of text. Your first idea was garbage, the others probably are too.

>>175916868
I sure do love the slowdown of devoting 300 1 corvette fleets to every single one of my systems. Would make it impossible to use military too.

Look, you can like any mod you want. Just don't advocate forcing shit on everyone else.

>>175916913
Don't pretend you don't have a pass like all goodboy retards.

>>175916948
>Look, you can like any mod you want. Just don't advocate forcing shit on everyone else.
This guy is so embarrassed he's now hallucinating.

Why does Alpine and Savannah look so bad compared too all other biomes?

>>175917134
Laziness

>>175916870
>Building outposts is still ridiculously tedious and mineral consuming. You want games to take two thousand years now?
Make it cheaper and faster, are you retarded?

>It takes a lot longer than the timeframe to justify claiming you have 'de jure' on anything beyond your home system.

Claims would basically be the border range now but people could go in and violate it but, you'd basically have a right to destroy their shit and/or escalate it to a war

>And this is a problem because those play styles are meant to be viable, moron.

If you want to be assholes to everyone you'd have to constantly build up your fleet, makes sense in real life (see. North Korea)

>>175916948
>Look, you can like any mod you want. Just don't advocate forcing shit on everyone else.

This mod may not be the best solution as the AI can't cope with it well but the borders need to be revamped, the no borders thing would be interesting as well

File: ring.jpg (110KB, 1014x656px) Image search: [Google]

110KB, 1014x656px

>>175917134

They were added in post release so they probably got the same retard who made the new ringworld graphics to do them

File: Wheelo1.png (508KB, 1024x768px) Image search: [Google]

508KB, 1024x768px

How often does the AI pick Cyborg/Mutant/Psi evolution perks? How long does it takes for the AI to do so? I saw only once an Inwards Perfection + Agrarian Idyll combo become cyborgs and that was a century or two after I pick it first.

>>175917051
>hallucinating
>>175916475
>border range is a stupid concept, needs to be replaced
Really makes you think.

>>175917175
>Make it cheaper and faster
Anything is slower and more expensive than free.

>But people could violate it
So the AI can fuck you over even harder, they can all hate your guts for being 'aggressive', pacifist is even more of a meme, and there's more tedious war everywhere.

>Securing your territory
>asshole
Are you Swedish?

>Borders need to be revamped.
No they don't. They work perfectly fine.

>>175917375
>Securing your territory by threatening nuclear annihilation
>Not being an asshole

and
>No they don't. They work perfectly fine.

Tbqh, this is because I had +14 mineral system and a few systems with +12 engineering and + 9 physics research, because some F. Xenophobe slaver put 3 colonies near them, my homeplanet's borders extended there first, I build research stations and mining stations first, I have a big enough fleet to fuck them off but as I was pacifists, I couldn't do anything to take them back and even If I weren't pacifists I may have not wanted to take their shitty 12 sector planets anyway while wanting my systems back

Does -leader lifespan affect rulers, too?

>>175917597
yes

>>175917671

fanks tham

>>175917597
Speaking of leader lifespan, does anybody know how to set the -minimum- age that leaders are recruited at?

I tried to make a sort of swarm-like species of short-lived insects, so I took multiple -X lifespan perks, but when I started playing, leaders wouldn't last for 1 year before dying off. Then I realized no matter what, leaders are recruited at around ~30 years of age. This ruined my immersion since my little grubling race should be mature by ~8ish years old and die by around the 30 year mark.

If there was a mod that already does this, can somebody kindly point me to it? It would be really appreciated by this total stranger you met in an anonymous imageboard.

>>175917586
>Nuclear annihilation is the only way you can secure your borders.
You really must be Swedish if you hate national borders so much. Everyone has them, senpai.

>I couldn't do anything
The solution to your problem is to have rigid borders instead.

>>175918363
North Korea is securing it's existence than anything, also what are you talking about me hating borders? I'm just saying if you played backwards assholes who wanted conquer everything, you would need to have your own might to back your own claims

>The solution to your problem is to have rigid borders instead.

Or maybe turn it into shared borders, either way, needs to be fixed

Each empire gets to declare their own borders

>>175917586
Something I've always wished for in a 4x game is the ability to delineate borders as an agreement with your neighbors. I always hated how in most 4x games your border are basically arbitrary, based on some kind of influence or cultural pressure, or are just some set distance from a city or planet. It'd be much better if after meeting with another empire you would both stake out your shit on the parts of the map you both know about, and then a permanent border is drawn there until you renegotiate it or move in in a war.

>* Symbol of Unity building and related technology have been removed from the game
>* Artist Monument no longer affects happiness or unity as a modifier, but instead has its unity ouput increased from 3 to 10

Can you build more than 1 artist monument on a planet? Because if you can that is hugely OP

>declare war
>"shift borders" demand
>can take borders of systems that are not inhabited that are also adjacent to your own borders

y/n?

>>175918740

Why dont they just take unity out and replace it with a mana system lamo

>>175918749

No. Every Empire gets infinite borders until a peace settlement between themselves and another empire determine which areas are off limits.

Non aggression pacts, Federations, etc. also establish borders between members

>>175918649
I would prefer it if, instead of set borders (which are usually made up and virtual in any case), they would jsut do fucking diplomacy right and allow you to make various complaints that effectively come together to create a 'sense' of a border' without this cheesy rigid totally unrealistic colored patchwork.

For instance, you could complain about so-and-so military units being somewhere you claim, and if they themselves believe they claim it, then it's on. Just right there - organically occurring border friction/dispute. No need for a dumb numerical counter popping up of your colored blobs touch or not. Want to secure a "line" for yourself? Build a fence, patrol it with military units. You know? Just like how it is done in real life.

Though I suppose something formal, like an agreement you propose would come in handy once certain norms are established.

>>175918786
>Fantasy version of Stellaris
I would be okay with this

>>175918509
>CLaiming empty space as your own
>Backwards
?

>>175918987
I would download this mod, tbqh

>>175918873
Yes anon, because nations nowadays don't have solid borders that are definitely there. It's totally fuzzy and only a vague sense of ownership!

>Boosted defense stations substantionally
>Increased minimum distance between stations

Knowing paracucks this will be a huge nerf

>>175919095
There is a difference between claiming empty space and claiming everything, also being genocidal maniacs while claiming everything

>>175919171
Everything is empty space at the start of the game, outside of someone's home system.

>>175919138
>I am absolutely ignorant of world politics at large
You should stop this train of thought before you really embarrass yourself, kiddo..

>>175918873
That's exactly what I want.

If I see some resource I want to mine, I should be able to build a mine on top of it, until some other asshole comes and tells me I just built a mine on his property, then we can either fight over it or make an agreement over who actually gets it. None of this magical borders that forcefully prevent action all on their own. Borders should be backed up by either military power or diplomatic agreement, not some forcefield of color that prevents some workers from another empire from coming over and taking my shit through magic.

Is One Vision +10% unity output worth it?

>>175919213
Please tell us about America's completely fuzzy border that it has no control over, anon.

>>175919130
>takes place on a single planet
>each race is created like in Stellaris, but with a fantasy focus
>more importance in leaders, who you can also outfit similar to HoMM3 with magical gear
>can choose your race, sub races (i.e. orcs, goblins, ogres, or just orcs, or just goblins, ect) and then outfit those races with gear to make soldiers which you train

So basically Total War: Stellaris [Fantasy Edition]

>>175919171
If you have to declare war to keep your border then the AI will always hate you for it like it does now, so you're just encouraging more military focus and less diplomacy.

>>175919350
America's borders are maintained through diplomatic agreements with it's neighbors through internationally recognized treaties, and even then those borders are not always properly enforced, hence why America has an illegal immigrant problem. Borders are just lines on a map, what maintains them is a strict legal framework, and a protection of that framework with legal, diplomatic, and military action.

>>175919350
Please tell us about the America's very clearly defined borders in 1600, anon

>>175919337
Unity is an all or nothing thing. Dont bother just taking one unity aspect.

>>175919512
Just make it so that you can work out borders diplomatically as well.

>>175919350
Ah, an American. I guess it would be unfair to fault you for thinking that the world comprises of the North American continent.

Now, I don't want to embarrass you more than you're doing to yourself, so I will simply suggest you google "Sakhalin Dispute", "Senkaku Islands" or "South China Sea Dispute", as a start.

>>175919350
>Please tell us about America's completely fuzzy border that it has no control over, anon.
Kay

US-Mexican border

>>175919532
These are solid borders that nobody is flinging a goddamn colony onto like you suggest for Stellaris.

>>175919538
You mean when such a nation didn't exist?

>>175919612
>AI demands your strategic resource for 30 years to remove its mining drones from your home system.

>>175919282
I agree with this.

Unfortunately, I can only imagine how ridiculously difficult it would be to make an AI that can handle this... Hell, the AI now can barely handle the current simplified mechanics.

>>175919689
Not fuzzy. It's even defended. That some special interests bribe the government not to deport people doesn't mean Mexico is claiming control over it.

>>175919653

Hell just google "Taiwan" to learn about a state everyone knows exists except officially it doesn't

>borders
If they wanted to make this good, they would have to turn it into its own mechanic

But no matter what or how deep you made it, you could get around it by just attacking someone and taking their land away, so it would be a waste of time making it a deep feature.

What we need is other forms of diplomacy and sabotage, the ability to influence political groups and leaders inside other states to shift them towards your own ideology.

>>175919694
The only thing that makes them solid is that other nations respect them. There's no physical barrier stopping Canada from just claiming a part of America as there's, or vice versa. What maintains that border is that both countries have an agreement as to who owns what and have set up legal systems to enforce that. Borders aren't magic, you need to be able to enforce them in order for them to exist, this is something that no game I can think of reflects accurately.

>>175919769
>that backpedal
Okay kiddo

>>175919812
>What we need is other forms of diplomacy and sabotage, the ability to influence political groups and leaders inside other states to shift them towards your own ideology.
This. I actually think they're moving towards this direction, what with the addition of internal factions being the first step. Something similar to HoI where you can send spies to support factions in other countries being the next.

Or... at least I fucking hope so.

>>175919839
So you think Canada can magically plop down a city and a mine next to DC, despite the distance, if it just gave up on obeying the treaty?

>>175920610
Not him, but if circumstances were different, and they would get away with it, and, if it actually was worth anything to do it,

obviously fucking yes.

Just peer halfway around the world, you ignorant twat. You don't need to juggle your tiny little mind around hypothetical scenarios. Literal border grabs are happening right-fucking-now.

But of course you won't.Because then you'll lose an internet argument. And your fragile little ego won't let that happen, will it?

>>175911627
I've never even played the first one and I'm looking forward to it just to end the flood of Stellaris posts.

>>175920610
Yes because in real life cities and mines don't take time to build. For an actual real life example, you get shit where logging camps are set up by a company from one country in anothers land, then there's usually a legal battle over it, or situations where an oil well starts tapping reserves on the wrong side of the border.

As to you original example, even if one country could magically just plop down town and mines inside another's territory in disregard of treaties, what would actually prevent them from doing that isn't some magic line on a piece of paper, it'd be the threat of military, or even just economic retaliation.

>>175920861
In Stellaris it takes six months for a colony to be built that absolutely cannot EVER be removed except through genocide or displacement, which takes over 50 years. The cost/benefit absolutely would be to throw shitty colonies in everyone's core, because then they can't do shit about it.

>>175920803
You think advanced space empires are like fucking Africa? I know the Earth is run by some black woman in Stellaris, but come the fuck on.

>>175915596
>early dev stream, forget which one
>wiz and his fagboy are starting a game up to talk about new patch stuff
>chat notices little merchant ships zipping about
>everyone gets exicted asks if thats in the new patch
>wiz actually fucking says yes at first
>other guy figures out is the Civillian Trade mod someone installed and not part of the build
>wiz doesn't even know what's going into his builds

>>175921021
>You think advanced space empires are like fucking Africa? I know the Earth is run by some black woman in Stellaris, but come the fuck on.
You'll have to educate us on how interstellar politics is like then, High Consul Bal'gar the Unendowed.

>>175921081
I don't like how civilian trade clogs up your civilian ships list. Makes searching for science/construction ships a hell of a chore.

The density of civilian shipping also clogs up my wormhole network.

>>175921021
>In Stellaris it takes six months for a colony to be built that absolutely cannot EVER be removed except through genocide or displacement

Except that's not true, the game already has a system in place for colony abandonment, and like you said, it take six months to set up colony, there's no reason another empire couldn't call you up and say "Hey that's my system, could you please no found a colony there?", the game already does this if you try to found a colony too close to some one's borders or close to the borders of a xenophobe FE, it wouldn't be hard to tweak that system.

>>175913096
Apparently according to their metrics Spiritualism isn't a popular ethic.

>>175921021
>System in place for colony abandonment
What?

>>175921195
>The density of civilian shipping also clogs up my wormhole network.
>tfw wormhole's could be balanced with civilian trade by just making them less economically efficient that the other FTLs

>>175921302
I'm not surprised, most Paradrones are edgy atheists.

>>175921265
>>175921304
You can't do that. Only the AI is allowed to make such demands. And what if they ignore you? Permanent fucking colony unless you commit genocide.

>>175921302
>only way to access 1 of 3 ascension routes
>of the 3, psionics has the most story potential (End of Cycles, bargains with Shroud entities, things coming out of the Shroud to kill you)
>"it's totally gay guise, do synths instead which are perfect"

>>175912717
What are good ethics foe Mega corp? Mine have fanatic materialist but without egalitarian I don't know what to choose.

Also who else play as mega corporation?

>>175921370
>balanced
You have no idea how awful wormholes are with high traffic. It's one ship per jump period. Meaning if you have five ships it takes 4 months for them to get through. It wouldn't just be 'less efficient', it would be nonfunctional.

I think xenophiles shouldn't be upset for alien slavery if all aliens are in a caste system and not chattel slavery.
Right now it's fucking bullshit.

>>175921304
You can't do it actively right now, but theoretically you could mod it in. Currently other empire have the ability to demand you abandon a colony, which causes your colony to disappear and all pops on it to relocate to other planets (if all your planets are full they die), then there's also the cleanse planet war goal (that might be from a mod I have, not sure) which does the same but just kills all pops on a plant out right, could be tweak to just relocate all pops.

>>175921470
You can build more than one wormhole station in a system, I usually have 4-6 in my core systems so I can move fleets in parallel.

>>175921397
>You can't do that. Only the AI is allowed to make such demands.
No reason why you can't allow the player to also do it, wouldn't even be hard to code.

>And what if they ignore you? Permanent fucking colony unless you commit genocide.

No you can just go to war with them with a new war goal of "Remove your shit from my space" which gets rid of the colony, and any stations of your choosing and relocates all their pops, all doable with the current systems in the game.

>>175921505
>asking you to abandon a colony relocates the pops
Could you just build a bunch of colony ships and settle near xenophobic FEs to grow your actual planets as an alternative to trying for a high food surplus?

>>175921471

Xenophiles love xenos and don't want to see any of them be forced into the shitty spots.

>>175921635
At that post the cost actually becomes a huge detriment to where you wouldn't want trade at all.

>>175921759
Then authoritarian empire with more than one species is not worth it.

>>175921648
>No reason why you can't allow the player to also do it
It's Paradox.

>Remove shit from my space
It's called cleanse. It counts as genocide, so everyone hates you forever.

>>175921705
Xenophobe FE's usually demand you remove your colony as soon as you start to establish it, so I don't think that would work.

>>175921370
>>175921470
I found that by building mulitple wormhole stations in each planet system, I could increase throughput, though.

Sorta balanced?

>>175921798

Indeed, it isn't. Certain ethics lend themselves to certain government types.

>>175921837
>It's Paradox.
Yes they suck, I know, doesn't stop me from dreaming.

>It's called cleanse. It counts as genocide, so everyone hates you forever.
Just modify the wargoal so that it relocates pops instead of killing them and make it have no malus, simple.

>>175921894
>Certain ethics lend themselves to certain government types.
What does that have to do with anything? You shouldn't be penalized just for trying to play authoritarian.

>>175921759
>>175921798
>>175921894
Supposedly that will change in the patch. Xenophiles will now want aliens to have the same rights as the founding species, so if your founding species has a caste system, Xenophiles will be cool with aliens having a caster system too.

>>175921874
cost 75 minerals per station, plus 0.25 energy upkeep, and all that clicking on shit to build 5+ stations in every system

Warp is better

>>175921903
Paradox would see no reason to do so, because Cleanse exists and only people who don't want their alien friends to live wit them would want those colonies to be gone, and thus they are evil and don't mind everyone hating them for a Cleanse war goal.

>>175921994

Xenophiles being perennially buttmad at you is the counterbalance for being able to do whatever you want to slaves without them revolting.

>>175922137
>Xenophiles being perennially buttmad at you is the counterbalance for being able to do whatever you want to slaves without them revolting.
You mean the Egalitarians, and they are already doing that.

>not wanting fast-breeding, wasteful, stupid ayyliens clogging up your planets
>getting rid of them makes you worse than hitler

Truly a game for our times

>>175922225

Well yeah, that's the point.

If you made a policy to exterminate/sterilize all people with genetic disorders people would also say that's bad, even if it would be beneficial to the genetic health of everyone.

It seems most 4x games only basically let you 'rush' victory by exterminating everyone with weapons. Every other victory condition is just build up to a certain technology or arbitrary number of gold earned or whatever. Seems kind of lame.

>>175922015

I think it's very appropriate if Xenophiles are completely edged out of their own societies by Xenos they give more rights to than they give themselves

File: 1478537833783.jpg (22KB, 305x462px) Image search: [Google]

22KB, 305x462px

>Give people social welfare living standards and full citizenship
>They all never stop whining about muh democracy
>Apparently I need to put pops into a shitty caste system and subject them all to living in poverty to make them like my government

why would you EVER use enigmatic coders/decoders? they are complete trash and thats before you even bring enigmatic shields which are the single best ship addon in the game into the equation

i agree that the enigmatic fortress rewards were extremely op and needed nerfing somehow, but giving you rng loot which includes 2 complete pieces of shit is really not the way to go

>>175918740
no its a planet unique plus you can only have 5 of them max for your entire empire

>>175922451
They're not even the same species though.

I get the 'no wiping out the sick, old and retarded' because it could happen to me one day or my cousin or whatever.

But these are literally fanatic purifiers that I put the boot too in early game, and if I wipe them out everyone will hate me.

>>175922752
Psionic admiral, Precognitive Interface and enigmatic encoders really stacks on the evasion for corvettes.

>>175922943
if im at the point where i have top tier tech i will be at the point where im building my unbeatable cruiser m plasma meme fleet

>>175922706
I swear half the reason the pacifist spiritualist xenophobe meme works, outside of the unity output, is that unless you really fuck things up you only ever get three factions and they all love you.

ok, I'll admit, post 1.5 I haven't played pacifist or xenophile at all

In my militant/spiritualist/xenophoe/authoritarian empire there are always factions popping up wanting Xeno love or citizens rights or whatever - I suppress them.

But in the hippy species-mixing love and peace empires, do they get militarist imperial factions showing up?

>>175924157
I'm playing a materialist xenophile egal game and I've got militant and xenophobia factions up and about

Is there any way to mod in research that adds to the maximum number of trait picks or is there just the stuff that increases everyone's trait picks including the AI?

>>175924482
you mean this one?

http://stellarismods.com/repeatable-genetics-mod/

>>175924586
No, that only adds trait points and I've made my own mod for doing that. It's the picks that set how many traits you can have but there doesn't seem to be a modifier for it in the files other than editing the base stats for all species

I don't understand how to play multi-species efficiently in 1.5. Before, you could be collectivist and get rid of all the pops you didn't want, enslave whoever you want, etc. With individualism, everyone at least was somewhat happy even with wrong ethos. In 1.5, you have a choice of either not having any control of what pops and factions are doing what and where or be literally worse than hitler and purge everyone with no option to save at least some of them. Without individual purges, you can't abandon conquered planets at all without purging every species present on it. And god forbid if you're a materialist and there's a robot on that planet, because you can't abandon it at all.

>>175924878

Don't conquer planets you don't want, or give them away. Or cleanse or set to slaves.

>go to war in 2350 or so against the largest blob on the map
>their technology is pathetic
>their fleet capacity is equivalent to superior
>their fleet power is equivalent to pathetic
>every single one of their planets is either starving or has one or two robots
>most likely their capital still has slums or industrial wasteland tiles
>break their fleet
>wait for a few years just to see what happens
>not a goddamn thing happens, they never recover
>they just fade into extinction, leaving behind a few robots

They're going to sell the AI in a separate dlc, aren't they?

>>175925119
The game is meant to be played core planets only, no sectors

>>175925089
The problem is, AIs settle all the 10 tile shitworlds they can find, and if I want some of their planets without having AIs stuck inside my borders, I have to cleanse them. There's no way to expand through conquest without mass purges.

File: Screenshot 5.png (2MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1680x1050px

So I'm stuck home for the entire friday. I guess some people would think getting a consequence-free day off a good thing, but I'm bored. So I'm going to ask you guys how to build my next city to pass the time. First off, coal power or wind power? Both have their pros and cons.

File: 20170423015650_1.jpg (418KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

418KB, 1920x1080px

>>175925413

Cleanse them then

>>175925680
But I want to have at least one non-xenophobe game.

>>175907597
Hey, question regarding Endless Legend.
I've been trying to use the Tiled map editor to make a certain map file. Is anyone familiar with the tool? I'm trying to add preconstructed districts to the map, but there's no tile image for that since the maps are meant to be blank slates you start with.

>>175925680
rename the planet to 'The Pig Farm' please

>>175924878
I played F. Spiritualist so The Council for Metaphysical Cleansing dwarfed all the other factions massively. Enough so that I could ignore the eternal whining from the otherwise large egalitarian (who were thick because I used Imperial authority) and xenophile factions.

In other words, pander hard enough to a particular group and the butthurt from the other groups won't matter.

Everyone was more or less elated even if they were politically pissy because I plopped down temples and paradise domes everywhere.

Very multicultural society with social welfare standards. The only xenophobic thing was ayys had residency rather than full citizenship. Outside of that there were no population or migration controls or anything like that.

>>175925119

probably due to the fact that paradox are retarded and forgot to properly the code the ai to deal with the new galactic food mechanics so their entire empire is starving but they never fix do anything to fix it, its getting fixed for 1.6

>>175926349
You were like real life Malaysian Buddhists

Why did happiness get so fucking REKT in 1.6

>>175925469
Aw, no replies? I just want to mess around in a slightly different fashion from usual. Coal or wind power, that's all I'm asking.

>>175926680
Reply me back senpai
Go coal, winter setting could use some of that smog

>>175926580
There's almost no happiness management in mid till late game, unless you go full slave and just intentionally make pop unhappy.

>>175925119
And this is why the AI is built to fuck with players

>Fanatic Isolationist Fallen Empires demand you don't colonise anywhere near them, whilst letting other empires hump their borders
>Stronger empires demand you cede your capital planet in wars
>Your allies in federations/defensive pacts constantly demand wars in which you get nothing
>trade deals offered by AI are shit and they refuse trade deals that don't obviously favor them

Playing purge-and-burn empire is the only viable choice

File: 20170505121206_1.jpg (299KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

299KB, 1920x1080px

>That custom faction system

https://www.games2gether.com/endless-space-2/forum/65-general/thread/24794-small-question-to-the-devs?page=1#post-233630

>>175926713
Here's your (you) then, it's a lovely day to shitpost. And shit up the environment, I guess.

File: 1461428160204.png (169KB, 1080x1398px) Image search: [Google]

169KB, 1080x1398px

Hybrids in Stellaris when?

File: Screenshot 6.png (3MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1680x1050px

>>175925469
>>175926856
Alright, Fjórðarás has expanded a bit and has all services so far unlocked except a garbage dump(I hear composting can create a lot of heat). Where do we expand to, and do we go for farming or logging for our first industry specialization? (I could do both at once, but there's only so much demand for industry)

>>175925680
ah yes the good old planetary capitol in a fucking deadzone skit
I cannot be hard to programme the AI to function on a planetary level instead of relying on cheats to keep it relevant

>>175928246
L O G S
Make this the American version of smalltown

>>175928568
>small town
>not Twin Peaks
You disappoint me.

As a matter of flavor, which government type would work best for Fanatic Militarist/Xenophobe?

http://www.strawpoll.me/12898904

>>175928675
>>175928246
Alright anon, your mission is clear. You have to make spooky town

>>175928717
I voted democratic because I think of Starships Troopers were citizens can freely vote.

But becoming a citizen is hard as balls.

File: Screenshot 7.png (3MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1680x1050px

>>175928568
>>175928675
>>175928753
Alright, but I have no idea in which direction I should expand. Or rather, I know in which direction I would expand, but I'm asking you guys.

>>175928941
Always follow the river.

>>175928941
As an aside, does anyone know how to make Skylines save screenshots as jpgs instead of pngs?

>>175928985
^^^this, x1000. Natural growth

>>175928923
That's more of an oligarchy with mechanisms to join the oligarchs, isn't it?

>>175929017
Oligarchy suggests that there are different classes of citizens.
I remember the book making it clear that the moment you've done your time in the army, you're a full citizen.

Through, yeah, you could object that since most high positions are into military hands, that could be considered one.

File: 1493756162581.jpg (149KB, 1041x895px) Image search: [Google]

149KB, 1041x895px

>Playing through a game of XCOM 2 as a backstory to my first hugh munn campaign

>realize I can't include psioincs without becoming a stereotypical religious oligarchy

FIX YOUR GAME WIZ YOU DIPSHIT SWEDE CUNT REEEEEEEE

>>175928985
>>175928998
Alright, but I have to pick one of the four squares in >>175928246 so which one would be best? 'Follow the river' is a bit vague. The rivers flow from the north if that matters.

>>175929087
The book and the movie made some rather different points, didn't they?

>>175929253
I'd say east or west.

Also, the book was entirely serious and went into a lot of details about how a military democracy would work and why it would be the bestest thing.
The movie was intended to be a parody because the guy who realized it absolutely hated the book.

File: epic and based.jpg (1MB, 1830x3212px) Image search: [Google]

1MB, 1830x3212px

>>175929245
>bitching about shit that can very easily be fixed with mods
>wanting a human imperium-lite
>'wtf i hate wiz now'

>>175929737
A game shouldn't need mods to be good.

>>175929816
Game has it's own lore, with only bible thumpers achieving their 'own enlightenment', If you want to deviate from that with your own autistic creation, just download a mod

What are some mods that add good content to the base game of Stellaris?

I'm thinking of putting in Alpha mod

>>175922752
Yo, decoder is top tier for battery destroyers, shut your mouth

>>175929245
What is honestly stopping you from being a democratic Spiritualist society?

>>175929737
>WH40K owns the concept of psychics and Spiritualism/religion in space

Are you well?

>>175930024
I think I can say any Spiritualist+Militarist+Xenophobe game is Imperium-light

>>175910989
>spess elves
>uppity spess elves

would conquer and keep as rape slaves/10

>>175930182
>WH40K invented religious zealotry
Look, I appreciate what you're getting at but not everything is warhammer inspired.
You might as well call everyone playing space elves Eldar wannabes.
Is everyone playing with Synth ascension RPing as Necrons?
Are you going to say everyone trying out hive minds are copying the Tyranids?

>>175930457
That sounds about right.

File: Hidden Paradise.jpg (697KB, 3440x1440px) Image search: [Google]

697KB, 3440x1440px

In all my previous games I've never had the Old Guard lead to this. Is the chance of it leading to this just low?

>>175930639
Ok, you're baiting. Fair enough.

>>175929245
> Become psychic
> Discover literal realm of gods
> Be athiest
Nice tipping desu.

File: yes.gif (751KB, 320x240px) Image search: [Google]

751KB, 320x240px

>>175930457

File: Screenshot 9.png (3MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1680x1050px

>>175928246
>>175929346
Alright, next expansion has been unlocked even before I expanded into the first one. Might as well buy the next tile, though. Also, public transport and heating. Should I use buses or trams, and should I use oil or geothermal heating?

>>175931384
I'd say to build the town in Yellow Snow Land rather than trying to expand again.

>>175925469
>>175928246
>>175931384

>my old computer could barely run cities skylines
>get a new comp but forget about it
>these posts

Thanks man, I'm gonna make a city too.

>>175931384
>yellow snow land

>>175931474
>>175931521
The yellow snow means you can farm there! Even though it's perennial winter!

>>175931481
>mfw last time I played Cities Skylines, I had no idea what I was doing
>now I want to play it again

So I have the following number of custom alien empires, humans include:

Democratic = 4
Oligarchic = 6
Dictatorial = 3
Imperial = 6

How many more should I make. Obviously, there's not enough dictatorial ones. Should I make more or change some of the old ones? How realistic is this distribution?

File: Screenshot 10.png (3MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1680x1050px

>>175931481
>>175931723
Make sure to take a few moments sometimes to just look at your city. I'm usually a gameplay before graphics person, but when it comes to citybuilding half the fun is making a pretty city(even if you're shit at it) and Skylines is pretty good at that even unmodded.

>>175932119
I'm still waiting for a sequel to Distant Worlds where I'll be able to make a beautiful empire complete with space stations, supplies lines, passengers ship and all.

File: Screenshot 11.png (2MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1680x1050px

>>175931384
I'd still like to ask: Should I use buses or trams? And should I use oil or geothermal for heating?

>>175909151
How do I know which edition I have?

>>175914672
I have literally never seen the Vehement before and I'm on 700 hours
What happened to the normie extradimensionals?

>>175911320
If that's real that's stupid. Honestly humans should have no traits. Humans should be the default and anything else should be to show how different and alien they are to humans.

>>175932449
You're asking too much, I'm out of my league now.
Go for the non-polluting one I guess.

Loos like these small towns in GTA.

>>175932189

Did you actually have to micromanage that stuff in DW? Or was it kind of automatic?

>>175932534
The Unbidden need to reach a certain percentage of the galaxy owned and a certain period of time (30 years?) needs to elapse before the Aberrant and Vehement spawn, one after the other.

>>175907597
has anybody here finished stellaris? i mean captured the whole galaxy? and maybe purged the xenoscum

What will happen? does events still popup

>>175932636
Everything civilian is automatic in DW. That means you're not forced to build mining station, you can have civilian ships mining it themselves.

>>175932603

I disagree, I think giving humans Nomadic and Quick Learners is totally fine. Maybe deviants to go along with the frontier spirit, but personally those more then accurately describe humans. Giving them no traits just makes them too weak and shitty compared to other aliens.

>>175932634
I'm not asking for good advice here, I'm just asking because deciding everything on my own is boring. All those options are viable, by the way.

File: cute lizard.jpg (212KB, 1048x718px) Image search: [Google]

212KB, 1048x718px

Post your most aesthetic-looking flags!

>>175932778
>Tattooine
REEEEEEEEE

>>175932716
Go for geothermic, it has a nice sci-fi feel to it.

>>175911320

>Humans used to be quick learners and nomadic.
>Trump Wins.
>Sweedish now think quick learners doesn't fit and should be adaptive and wasteful instead.

>>175932707
I'm working on it at the moment. Full galaxy control rather than purging though.
I'll let ya know if I get there.

>>175932603
No traits would only work if trait totals for ayys had to sum to zero, otherwise humans are literally just galactic trash.

File: 1.jpg (53KB, 1200x800px) Image search: [Google]

53KB, 1200x800px

Fully fledged sequel to smoky skies never ever. Am I the only person that enjoyed it?

File: Screenshot 12.png (3MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1680x1050px

>>175932860
Alright, geothermal heating it is. Does any place other than Iceland use that? And man, is heating infrastructure expensive. I took two loans and I still don't have it piped to everybody. Still, this ought to reduce the burden on my power plants.

>>175932879
I love how racist that is.

>White Americans made a very big decision we think is clearly shit? Guess we should take off intelligent traits from the humans in Stellaris, because the other 7 billion people on the planet don't count for shit!

>>175932714
Most humans obey laws and follow their governments. The only nomads alive now are a tiny percentage in the steppes of asia. Most humans live in static urban communities. Quick learners is fine.

>>175933158
True it would be shit with the way traits are right now, there should be far more variation between species.

>>175907597
Fuck dude, I just watched "The Magician Doesn't Come Back"

He didn't deserve it.

File: 75394bc21d4cb2cca5f1fa68b34291bb.jpg (188KB, 551x816px) Image search: [Google]

188KB, 551x816px

>>175932603

Nomadic is the closest you will get for humanity's high stamina and excellent heat management. Few species can top us on that department. Also our ancestors were definitely nomadic. Ours is a planet with different seasons. Other species may live in tidal-locked planets.

>>175933443
Humans should have adaptive for that. Humans don't usually behave in a nomadic way though and haven't on a species-wide scale ever since we invented agriculture.

Who /AI War: Fleet Command/ here?

Just bought it on steam and did the tutorials. How do I git gud?

Humans are communal.
Humans are nomadic.
Humans are adaptive.
Humans are deviants.

>>175933576
>humans haven't on a species-wide scale ever since we invented agriculture.

That's a rather short time. Our bipedal form, heat management, hair distribution, and stamina are adaptations towards a more nomadic lifestyle. Our sedentary "modernity" is a blink of an eye within our history.

>>175933576

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endurance_running_hypothesis

>>175933576
If we were genuinely adaptive we probably wouldn't have split into a bunch of sub-populations with different specialisations just to live on the one planet.

File: Ancient Space Station.jpg (653KB, 3440x1440px) Image search: [Google]

653KB, 3440x1440px

The more I go through this playthrough the more I think something terrible is going to happen. First I find a completely destroyed ringworld near me that didn't have any omnious names to it (finally found an 'abandoned megastructure', yay), and now this?

Something bad is going to happen, isn't it. There are destroyed ships, stations and seemingly dead Swarm ships all over the system, and the only planet in this system is specially named too.

File: Screenshot 13.png (3MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1680x1050px

>>175933286
While I'm working on finishing the heating infrastructure, decide for me the next major investment: Buses or trams?

File: i dond ged id.jpg (15KB, 307x462px) Image search: [Google]

15KB, 307x462px

>unlocked all the way to level six spaceport
>can't build any shipyards beyond destroyer yards
>>only 64 years in
Something seems wrong, pretty sure those yards get unlocked along with spaceport techs. Never had this happen before and I haven't installed new mods for this playthrough.

>>175934159
They're separate techs and the tech tree is pure RNG.

>>175934159
You're just a retard. Cruiser and battleships shipyards are separate techs.

>>175934157
What with these buildings that look like cubes and are coloured in green, yellow and red?

>>175933706
Humans have changed. We don't behave nomadically anymore so there's no point having the trait. The trait is about the behaviour and mindset of the species not physicality.

>>175933870
>sub-populations
In the game mechanics it's all Human, so that's being adaptive.

Question about the pastebin on ship designing: the pastebin mentions a destroyer loadout with L weapons, but my destroyers don't have sections with L slots. Is there something I'm missing here? If it matters, I have New Ship Classes.

>>175934157
Incidentally, one of the downsides of geothermal heating in my experience is their tendency to catch on fire, at least in-game. I don't think they're prone to catching fire in real life.

>>175934250
They're houses. Do they not have houses where you live? That must be rough.

>>175934297

>The trait is about the behaviour and mindset of the species not physicality.

So, why can traits be remove/added with gene modifications, then? The only odd one is the decadent one (a gene that makes you an enslaver really?).

File: fug.png (316KB, 425x450px) Image search: [Google]

316KB, 425x450px

>>175934214
>>175934232
Whoops, guess they haven't turned up yet and I'm retarded. I've just never gotten all the way up the Starports without having the shipyards researched.

>>175934397
Our houses don't look like some kiddo's gaming cube.

File: Screenshot 14.png (3MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1680x1050px

>>175934397
I forgot my freaking picture.

Should there be a way in 4x games to 'surrender' to an opponent without actually ending the game for yourself?

IE; You're getting rekt by an army, you surrender, he can't keep killing your dudes and cities and gets to collect spoils or other bonuses, but you can try to rebuild and eventually overthrow him or support a foreign leader to liberate you? This state still counts as 'losing' unless you recover, so if you're the last civilization he'll still win a domination victory even though you're 'in the game' technically.

Would stop unwinnable slow death spirals and warmongers being unfun to play in my opinion.

Homo Sapiens = Communal + Nomadic.

>>175934473
Because it's genemodding their brain in some sci-fi way that changes how they behave. Same way you can genemod species to be conformist, deviants, wasteful, conversationalists, or communal.

>>175934624
Homo Sapiens = Nonadaptive + Intelligent + Natural Engineers

Prove me wrong.

File: Screenshot 15.png (2MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

2MB, 1680x1050px

>>175934525
And it freaking burnt down because the fire truck couldn't break the law and cut across a lane; instead it had to go all the way to Morning Woods to make a U-turn. I put in a side road but it was too late. RIP my finances, now I gotta build a new one.

File: b14a944d2f92ab94b59f3194aeffbbb1.jpg (402KB, 1277x677px) Image search: [Google]

402KB, 1277x677px

New ES2 minor faction. I suppose this will be the one that OpBot gets tied to.

File: poll.jpg (92KB, 1010x628px) Image search: [Google]

92KB, 1010x628px

>>175928717
Well this is quite the pickle.

>>175934801
Don't you get some kind of refund if you lost stuff accidentally? I think Simcity had something like that.

>>175934962
Constitutional Monarchy time!

>>175934624
Homo Sapiens = Thrifty + Industrious + Wasteful + Deviants
Human behavior is economic behavior.

>>175935221

the particulars may vary but competition for limited resources remains a constant

File: Screenshot 16.png (3MB, 1680x1050px) Image search: [Google]

3MB, 1680x1050px

>>175934993
Not as far as I know. Though there is the disaster response unit which allows you to rebuild structures instead of just bulldozing them I think? That might be slightly cheaper but I haven't tried it so I wouldn't know.

Anyway, I still haven't gotten a decision on this: Bus or tram?

>>175926831
do you think they will add an earth option? will it likely be modded in if not?

>>175935669
I prefer trams, but given you're in the cold, maybe bus.

>>175933995
Rip little science vessel

>>175935669
Use trams so that your system doesn't crumble under heavy snow.

>>175935669
Stunning view lad!

>>175934731
>Nonadaptive.
Wrong, we've adapted to absolutely every climate on Earth bar the extreme polar regions.

>>175935958
I think the Endless series doesn't draw anything from real world human history and it's just humans in completely fantasy world. The humans that preceded United Empire and Vaulters are just called Mezari, and at least I don't remember Earth being referenced at any point in the series.

>>175936372
Unfortunately for us, every sentient alien is simply even better at adaptation.

>>175936372
Existing in every environment does not mean thriving in every environment. In fact the only humans to have consistent societal success are humans in warm continental zones. The rest simply go crazy.

Since we're on about it how are Skylines mechanics?
I mean, does shit like pollution matter?
Education of the population?
Whether your city is densely populated or more spread out, etc.

Basically is it just build shit and just worry about basic needs or is there more to it?

>>175936637
Lol I dunno *asciishrug*
Just like RP what you like mang.

File: Civic_corporate_dominion.png (2KB, 29x29px) Image search: [Google]

2KB, 29x29px

Who mega corp here?

>>175936372

No, we haven't. We just steal skins from animals to bear the worst climates.

>>175937309
Yeah, that's adapting dumbass.

A Beaver builds dams and adapts its environment, that is still an adaptive feature.

>>175937397

Then every intelligent species is adaptive because ALL of them are likely to skin animals to adapt themselves to other environments.

File: ss+(2017-05-05+at+03.20.41).jpg (306KB, 1920x1080px) Image search: [Google]

306KB, 1920x1080px

>>175936637
The mechanics are easy to understand but hard to make it do what you really want.
Pollution is pretty much 'keep away from residential areas'.
Education is very important if you want your city to prosper at all.
As long as all the basic shit is connected (water, electricity and road) it doesn't particularly matter how your city is populated.
The one real 'bad' mechanic in skylines is how drivers will go full autist and use only 1 lane despite multiple lanes being wide open, like in pic related.

What mod for homogeneous human species? I want a space-faring African Union

>>175937287
The best choice. All about making credits and minerals, everything else will take care of itself.

File: Gravekeeper Awakens.jpg (620KB, 3440x1440px) Image search: [Google]

620KB, 3440x1440px

I guess it was a bad idea to reactivate the station surrounded by many dead things afterall.

>>175937397
A human isn't physiologically suited to living in a wide range of climates, it's just sentient and thus intelligent enough to change things to suit it.

Note that the climates individual humans are suited for differ between peoples but Stellaris can't model this unless you define every race as a different fucking species, and the adaptive trait on a generic human species turns it all to shit when the new growing portraits on the planet some of your people can easily live on pick an ethnicity that makes no sense for it and still get the habitability bonus.

>>175937935
If you beat it you can reactivate it as your own, like the ancient dreadnought.

>>175938089
> it's just sentient and thus intelligent enough to change things to suit it.
That's exactly what adaptation is, dumbass. Adaptation is not magical metamorphosis, it only cares about making it work.

>>175938246
So a species with the nonadaptive trait in Stellaris has made it to space without having the intelligence to fucking make thicker clothes when eking out an existence on cold planets?

Or are you saying adaptive should be an automatic trait for every species that isn't a pre-sentient?

File: 4a6.png (695KB, 994x738px) Image search: [Google]

695KB, 994x738px

>>175937935
>hull points: -1129/300