/hsg/ - Hearthstone General

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First for Glyph into

>>175905309
>Golden Yogg
I'm actually considering that, golden Noz as well

>>175905309
>top two
>patches + cold blood
>patches + rogue quest

>wild growth+yogg
>not innvervate+yogg

What's wrong with you?

>Watch StrifeCro stream
>12 wins with renolock
>almost every other opponent is renolock too

Good that this cancer class is dead in standard.

>9-1 with Midrange Hunter from Rank 15

so close to ten, and then i can play with shit decks again for a bit

Last time I got to rank 5, I did it with probably one of the biggest win streaks all the way from rank 10 to 8 then 8 to 5, only two losses. I honestly thought I was very lucky that time- is it an actual grind to 5?

>my 12.8k dust control paladin is doing worse than my hunter deck

reminder that midrange hunter is viable for climbing if you're having a shit time- only needed two epics

>>175905309
Imagine this nowadays.
>Jade Idol + Wild Growth
>Mana Wrym + Primordial
>Tide Caller + Grimscale Chum

Fuck, why can't Blizz into good Tavern Brawl ideas any more? It's the one thing to look forward to in this game.

>>175906278
Thats because control pally is hard to play and you are a rank 15 shitter. Play easy decks and you'll climb.

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>>175905309
Lads, I have a question. Let's say you're playing an aggressive deck and you need 1 crucial card, but only have 3-4 synergy cards in your starting hand. For example:

>Pirate Warrior
Bloodsail Cultist + Dread Corsair + Southsea Deckhand + Bloodsail Rider

Now this is a sick curve, but you need a WEAPON to go with all this shit. How many cards do you mulligan and which ones? Alternatively:

>Aggro Mage:
Arcane Missiles + Mirror Image + Sorcerer's Apprentice + Primordial Glyph
Now this would be a sick start with the coin, but you desperately need Mana Worm to go with all this shit. How many cards do you mulligan away digging for Mana Worm and which ones?

>>175906278
The fact that mid-face hunter can do so well against decks that cost near ten times it bothers me in this game. Its a sad feeling knowing that I will be playing hunter for the next forever months because everything else costs a fuckload of money yet gets beaten by something I half-assed over a week. Not that I want the game to be P2W(it already kind of is) I just wish every class had a 2k budget deck that was good on the ladder.

>Reroll awful 50 class cards quest
>Win 5 tavern brawls
T-Thanks blizzard

>>175906682
did you not read, I got to 5 last season- didn't even mention I got to legend

>hard to play
>hearthstone
>clear board with pyro+eq, have board late game, heal, heal, heal, search for eq with 4/4 to blow up more fields
>primordial + eq
>ten minutes+ a game
>use ungoro pack for more security
>summon n'zoth to get back tirion and etc.

I'll admit I'm inexperienced with it though.

i'm not autistic enough to play 10 minutes a game with a 60% winstreak when I can do it with hunter

>>175906794
bothers me, too. I wish hunter actually had more options than aggro because I like playing as hunter.

Hey anons, what's the best counter to all of this disgusting aggro cancer I keep going against?
It was bad enough when it was just Hunter, now it's Shaman, Warrior, even fucking Priest

>>175906890
Sounds easy, you're not bad at the game are you? It's only $10 to essentially buy 3 golden legendaries and 5000g worth of packs

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>1/3 any wins
>50 shaman cards
>2/5 shaman/pali wins
>Make a deck of 30 shaman cards just to get card quest out of the way
>Only card above 4 is Fire Elemental
>Beat pirate warrior
>Beat quest hunter
>38/50 shaman cards left

>>175906703
The more aggressive the deck, the harder you mulligan.
In your Warrior, sending back everything except Deckhand and maybe Rider is alright if you know you have 2x N'zoth's First Mate and 2x of War Axe in your deck. Your best bet is to curve out until you can play the best things like War Axe + Upgrade or Reaper later on and win.
Now, in the mage example, you send back everything except Glyph and Apprentice because those other cards aren't going to help you unless your opponent is Hunter.
It just depends on what's the match-up and how the cards you keep will benefit you.

>>175906890
Why on earth would you ever reroll a 60g quest?

>>175907519
"Waaaaaah everything is cancer"

>>175908130
this game is cancer so yes.

>>175907995
It was the 40 gold version of that. Probably got the numbers wrong.

>>175907568
No wild cards

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Why does Blizzard like this word so much?

>>175908803
Cause stories

>>175907519
Play Wild instead and make Renolock/Mage/N'zoth Priest. If you don't like any of those then you'll be stuck with Midrange Paladin or Taunt Warrior.

Does every mage in arena have pyroblast now?

>>175908803
rawr.xDpasta.pdf

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>Kripp wins
>cocky and petty faggot who BMs for pathetic reasons

>Kripp loses
>entertaining as fuck to watch him cry like a little bitch and makes the stream worth watching

Why is Kripp so gay?

>>175909008
not enough protein can cause the human body to decrease productions of testosterone levels.

>>175909008
He is a vegan.
This has been said multiple times in multiple threads

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What the fuck is his problem?

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>>175906682
Hunter is easy to play braindead, but there's more depth to it than it's had since gvg with it's "token combo" playstyle. Going turn 1 is very important in the mirror but if you know how to play it better than your opponent it often doesn't matter, most people just give you back tempo for free at some point.

Reminder that Leeroy is the correct 5 drop in Hunter, have been trying a Roc or Stranglethorn Tiger over Rhino, though.

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Arena predictions?

>>175910026
>cucknapper

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>>175908803
I forgot if it was during GvG or TGT reveal that they started buying into the whole rng = fun. One of the developers had an entire panel dedicated to talking about rng and how it actually increases skill level and then started comparing it to chess saying it would be more fun if the back pieces were randomized so every game was different. Also because stories

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>>175906703
The answer is that it's really matchup dependent. You can keep certain cards in matchups when they just provide nuts value against a certain class, even if not right away. A good example I can think of is Rogues keeping Tomb Pillager in every non-aggro matchup.

If you're playing aggro mage and had that hand, you're absolutely golden in faster matchups, if it's against hunter, rogue, warrior I'd 4 keep or possibly consider mulliganing the glyph but probably not. In a slower matchup like say Taunt Warrior or Priest, I'd mulligan Missles, Images, Glyph to hard mull for the Wyrm, you want to snowball and most importantly play shit on curve.

>>175910910
It's frustrating because while I agree that some rng is fun, it's all over the place. Add a random card, discover, do 1 damage randomly, etc etc.

Card games already have an element of randomness since you draw cards, I don't understand the insistence of doing it with every card.

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>>175906703
>>175911204
If you want to learn how to mulligan/play Pirate Warrior a little better, shoop (Dreamhack winner) and Astrogation (top 16) are streaming gameplay right now.

twitch.tv
/shoop22

Sherazin or Lyra? Which legendary i the most fun to play?

>>175911349
Don't do that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-jenlSf2E8o

Watch this tutorial instead.

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>>175911567
Also a decent option. Playing Pirate Warrior *******optimally******* is much more difficult than people think because they don't play it """""""correctly"""""" themselves

yup

>>175906275
And people say this game doesn't take skill when strife wins everytime...

>>175911805
At the highest level it's undeniable that some matches are determinded purely by coinflip. Be it some random effect or just the draw of the cards but shitters like Kripp and his followers constantly shit talk with like "I can pick up any netdeck and be win a tournament".

If the game was so infested with RNG we wouldn't see players continually winning tournaments, getting top 10 legend or getting 12 wins in heroic brawls.

so im playing this mid hunter since ppl thinks is rank5 viable but im having a lot of difficulties.
i think im at 30% wr with It. rank 15 atm, made It to 8 last season but couldn't get any further. I don't think I'm retarded but I'm pretty sure I'm doing something wrong.can you recommend a streamer or a fucking video of someone playing that deck good? hell if you are good just drop your id and let me spectate you

>>175912403
Make smart choices for early trades, hope you don't play against taunt warrior/quest priest with a bad opener.

A majority of the time where you win, is because you domninate the first 5 turns with great early value. Alley-cat, Hyena is near a win in every matchup.

>>175912403
Same, I've been having a lot more difficulty with mid range hunter this season compared to the last one.

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Minus a Hunters Mark for an Eaglehorn Bow, any suggestions?

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>>175911805
Controltheboard, the only real main wild streamer has a 10 average in Brawls over like 12 runs so far, and multiple 12 wins. Not many good players actually play wild so the metagame is about to change for the Spikes soon. Also, wild combo priest is the hardest deck to play correctly in the game but it's tier 1 if you make decent plays

>>175912950
Fledgling sucks, get another bow.

>>175912768
problem is, i find it nearly impossible to have board nor tempo the first 5 turns. my 1/1 are just shit. every other deck outstats me till houndmaster and I don't run removals. even buffed hyena gets easily removed every time

>>175913037
Read what I said. Fledgling has won me games before and forces removal, not sure if that's what I want to remove. I think I'd remove a Macaw or Bat before I removed the Fledgling.

Which one is better, freeze mage or discover/burn mage?

>>175913072
>People still want to know how to play Hunter
Smash your head with a hammer a couple times and you'll be on the level with them

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>>175912950
Consider 2 Golakka Crawlers or Hungry crabs over Fiery Bat depending on your preference. I would honestly cut a wolf for another bow, the tempo is welcome and you don't always get value off of wolf.

Consider experimenting with your 5 drop combos. Roc, Stampeding Kodo, Tundra Rhino, Tiger, and Leeroy are all viable options. I don't know if Hunter's Mark is worth but I run just 1

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What kind of winrates do you guys usually wind up with on your decks? Since I started tracking my shit I started getting demoralized, nothing I ever build myself gets above 55% after a couple dozen games, it's all aggro, quest rogue and quest warrior
Why even play if I'm gonna play against the same four decks every game

>>175913214
I said get another bow bitch. If fledgling was winning you the game you were already winning. If you pull fledgling while behind its a dead card 99% of the time whereas a bow is versatile enough to make an impact through either instant damage, choosing a target and board control.
>>175913072
All of your 1/1's serve a purpose. Crackling razormaw gives them retarded value. Macaw is to make up for hunters no draw, alley-cat is easy beast synergy with Roc, houndmaster, Hyena, and companion calls. Bat is the only questionable 1-drop but he's won many games for me due to razormaw buffing him early to get great trades.

>>175913321
>People still want to know how to play Hunter

it's amazing how much a boring shit the hunter class is. they've been playing the same deck since forever it seems. curve into highmane and hope you topdeck shit. any other playstyle blizzard tried to make with the class tanked

Somehow, out of nowhere, I lost all desire to play HS and I wonder why.

>>175913387
The amount of times I've unleashed and hunters marked a 8/8 taunt or some shit makes at least one mark worth the time. Instant trade in your favor even if its a 2:1, as hunter that shit is godlike.
>>175913590
I look forward to even more beast cards being forced.

>>175913037
>>175913214
>>175913509
Having another 3 drop is pretty important for curve, although I feel like the stickiness of Pack Rat makes it objectively better over the coinflip snowball of Fledgling

>>175912950
I'd be getting rid of either Hunter's Mark, Fiery Bat or Dire Wolf for another bow and another Fledgling, and a Roc for a Tundra Rhino.

>>175912950
>No tundra rhino
>No 2 bows
>Fledgling
>2 direwolf alphas
No wonder you are losing.

>>175913509
I know they serve a purpose IN THEORY. but if I don't have crackling? that's why I'm asking for good streamers. I want to understand how to play it when you don't have the right theory cards

>>175913830
Nigga that's why you mulligan hard like every other aggro deck.

>>175913037
>Fledgling sucks
>A 3-cost "Use removal here or auto-lose" is somehow worse than a 3-cost "do 6 damage over 2 turns"

>>175913905
are you telling me you get the cards you want from mulligan 100% of the time? cause I usually get Savannah and roc ffs

>>175913509
I said in the first post I made that I was dropping Hunter's Mark for another Bow. Read, retard.

>>175913387
I'd like to put in a Hungry Crab but as a F2P player, getting 400 dust is a pain in the ass. You think Wolf is the next thing I should cut if I make improvements, though? I feel like Macaw is really underwhelming a lot of the times.

How good is Kodo? I don't like Rhino much, it's really only good with Grandmother and it's not really a 5 drop you can put out unlike Roc. Then again neither is Kodo, but I feel like Kodo answers on 5 unlike Rhino which has to answer at 6 at the earliest.

>>175913742
Is Rhino really that good? I'm really not sure it'd work out too well. Also 2 Fledgling doesn't feel very good, I had it in my list for a while and one really feels good enough.

>>175913819
I never said anything about losing. I ended up Rank 9 last season because I didn't have time to play much and I'm shit at the game, but I feel like this deck could make Rank 5 pretty easily.

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>>175913830
It's not considered a top tier deck at high legend so it's kind of hard to find streamers who jam it right now. Some legacy SMOrc players that you might catch playing hunter sometimes might be JAB or Orange maybe? There might be some decent guides on hearthpwn but it's a deck that really tests your fundamentals rather than focusing on the synergy of the deck for the most part imo.

The classic explanation of how you should play is to be able so set up a modest board for long enough that you can transition it into one or two big burst turns (houndmaster, Rhino, drop Roc to protect little guys, etc.) so you can just leverage out the rest of the game with chip damage if you haven't killed them already. The setup is always more important than the SMOrc

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>>175914290
Absolutely do not cut Macaw, it's an important highroll card to have. Add 2 Golakka Crawlers then, Fiery Bat is not worth the tech slot and a 2/3 butt to drop is decent.

I run a variation of >>175910256 and personally think that the 5 drop is the hardest part of the deck to build. Right now I've been running Leeroy and Tiger for dat SMOrc, but Roc is honestly something you should run at least 1 of. Try mixing it up and see what you like, the best way to find the one you feel is the strongest is to try all of them and they are all similar in powerlevel. It should be noted the primary reason to run Rhino is because it REQUIRES your opponent to use removal on it the next turn lest they be blown out by a Highmane face, so it's more of a "pave the way" card in most cases, that's why you play on 5.

I think 1 wolf is enough, honestly.

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>F2Player
>Can only craft one quest deck
>Try taunt warrior
>taunt warrior is totally shit

Welp

>>175914780
Do you mean Rhino when you say Roc there? I'll try a Crawler instead of a Bat, though, thank you.

>>175914889
Midrange hunter is the place to be for us poor folks, friend.

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>spamming in twitch chat
>accidentally make a typo
>immediately close the tab and start pacing around the room
I can't be the only one who does this

>>175913926
Because it is. Fledgling is a win-more card. You picked a trap option.
>worse than bow
forever a shieldbearer

>>175914036
Welcome to fucking card games, hard to think how cards are situationally useful depending on when you draw them huh?

>>175915160
anon you seem to be exaggerating a lot

>>175915160
>participating in twitch chat

yeah, reddit, you are the only one here who does

>>175915160
>Spamming in twitch chat
KYS

>>175915260
>Master of obvious
thanks genius, this revelation really helps me play better in those situations

>>175915875
Then don't bitch about variables in a game built on them you fucking chode.

>>175913457
About 70% usually, this season I'm going lower because I'm completing my quests in ranked as I don't feel like grinding. Atm rank 12 just from quests, will probably grind when I'm close to a checkpoint (10 and then 5, I've been already Legend once and I'll never force myself in that shitty grind again)

>>175914889
I crafted a priest deck. at least im having fun at rank 15 i fuckin guess

>>175916654
15 is the perfect place for those that don't want to spend more time than needed on the game. After climbing to legend last year I've only pushed to 15 since. Extra dust is nice, but the time investment is absolutely insane the higher you get.

>>175916863
Rank 10 or 5. Minimum is 10 for me. It isn't even hard to get to 10

>>175916954
I streak until I lose rank then call it a day after 15. If you aren't gaining you're losing time.

>>175917036
10 is easy as fuck to get. You can play retarded fucking shit and get to 10 so long as it isn't the first 5 days of the reset. I am already 10 and I have been playing elemental priest.

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>opponent plays free from amber
>This guy shows his face
>post yfw and the theme that starts playing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7RzA_Oomra8

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>>175917885
>Mfw I was playing Miracle and it was supposed to be my Auctioner turn

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>I always post this image
>i dont care tho.
post images of when you used to actually have fun playing this game.

>>175918213
>tho

>first 7 games playing aids taunt warrior
>4 of my opponents concede by turn 8

This deck is just as retarded as I thought it would be. I should have joined the faggotry sooner, just for laughs.

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>>175905309
A game already reduced to net-decking in order to regularly achieve legendary status, not to mention over 99% of ALL competitions having the same decks run against each other EVERY competition, has been further reduced, further put on rails, by QUESTS.

While this idea looked good on paper, and is exciting in practice, at first,[i] over the long-term, across a longitudinal study, QUESTS will prove to be a major hinderance to Hearthstone and Blizzard should already be considering a way to phase them out of play.

If it isn't obvious to the reader why this is the case, allow me an example:
Example: Pirate Warrior--
This deck plays itself. It has a single objective, with a decision tree lacking any real branches. This is what QUEST decks are. They are premade decks, prepackaged by Blizzard, for you, customized by the top players in the world, and played the same way by everyone, everywhere.
Their objective is on rails. Their decision trees, per deck, are identical in identical situations.

This means that every choice you can possibly make has already been made for you, not by you, and deviating from these choices will only lower your win rate.

Watch it unfold.

>>175918305
The laughs end after around 20 games or so when you really feel how little fun there is to be had with the most auto-pilot deck in the game.

>Made a new account on different server
>Rank 20 and casual is nothing but tier 1 netdecks
I can imagine how horrifying the new player experience is

>>175918748
Not that I'm defending cancer taunt warriors, but there's this so called midrange hunter that only has to make ONE decision the whole game and that is whether or not to coin on turn 1.

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>>175918856

For me as an "arena" player it makes easier if I don't rank up, but you are right.

Enemy with that 1/4 taunt ape doesn't have much of a chance vs somebody who has Antonidas and Co in his deck, even if you play super poorly.

Any reason why Hearthstone couldn't be converted to a physical card game? I know that there was a WoW card game but it was shit.

Pretty much every mechanic could be resolved with dice right?

>>175919169
At this point most of the classic set should just come standard for new players. Not saying every leggo or whatever, but at least a lot of the core class cards should to make new players not get absolutely fucked. The choice as a F2P player to craft a 400 dust epic when you need 1600 for a legendary is one of the worst feelings in videogames total. There are a ton of options they could do. But man the new player experience is the worst game on the market.

>>175919290
How do you resolve Yogg RNG with dice?

>>175919290
Less control over the market.

>>175917885
>Unpacked a Nozdormu recently
>Toss him in any deck with free space
>Against some aggrivating slowpoke Quest Mage
>Wait until the end of my turn, then drop him and hit end turn asap
>Watch him get flustered and fuck up turns entirely, 4 mana left by the end of the rope
>Well played.
>Concedes

>>175919345

Have a seperate spell draw pile.

>>175919290
no

>>175919507
Then you need all the spells possible in a side pile

>>175919528

Yogg probably wouldn't be included in the physical game.

>finally made it to rank 10 with midrange hunter

guess i'll play some shit decks or forfeit to help guys in rank 11 until i feel like climbing again

Is there any use of Pyros? Any mage deck I can fit that card in?

>>175920117
Why play a minion when you can cheat out non-interactive kill spells into the opponents face?

>>175920162
Well, I'm playing the cancerous secret mage deck and I just packed that bird. I thought it might come in handy but I can't find anything good enough that has pyros.

>>175920205
Because it isn't.

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>tfw a meme deck beats you and they start emoting

>>175920162

>Mage pulls a Cabalist's Tome out of a Glyph
>Pulls an iceblock out of the Tome
>Iceblocks for three turns in a row whilst freezing and removing my shit
>Alexstrasza's themselves
>Throws a fucking pyroblast at me from another Glyph

God I fucking hate mage.

>>175920205
Do you mind posting the secret mage decklist?

>>175920394
http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/deck-library/mage-decks/secret-mage/

From those 3 , I'm playing Latryna's secret mage.

>>175912327
>If the game was so infested with RNG we wouldn't see players getting top 10 legend or getting 12 wins in heroic brawls.
yes you would. the likelyhood of achieving either of those things goes up with how often you play.

>continually winning tournaments
do players really consistently win tournaments in hearthstone?

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>>175920508
Thank you!

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>>175920336

Just emote back.

>>175921003
Think before making retarded OC.

>almost june
>still no tespa packs

>>175921092
Whats wrong with this glorious amazing card that totally should be in the game?

>>175921123
right, I'll give you the (you)
apothecary, kara kazhan, 2 times that card

>>175921182
>a 4 card combo that only works if you are at full hitpoints

Wow, it breaks the power curve. No other combo like it exists in the game right now. So strong. Too OP.

WTF IS THAT PRIEST QUEST ONLY 7 DEATHRATTLE CARDS! for a whole 40 fucking hp

>>175921212
You only need 16 hitpoints genius

>>175921264

>plays alex

nothing personal, tyrande

>>175921289
Then it only does 16 damage, genius.
For it to be an OTK combo, you need to summon more, thus need more HP.
Basically it requires you, as a warlock, to have specific card, and more HP than the enemy. Meaning, its not OP.

>>175921296
i try to but you still have to get past the first 25hp

>>175921113
>almost june
>literally 5 days into may

get a load of this retard

>>175921332
>my one mana burn spell isn't trivial to otk with therefore it's not op

>>175920598
Cheers.

>>175921264
It's pretty weak, anon. Most games end before you can get the reward, and even if you get the reward you can still be punished with Alex.

>>175919345
have you never played a physical cg to determine that

>proxies
>list all cards in a randomizer
just use a token card as a substitute

>>175921513
You are completely unaware of the Hearthstone power curve.

>>175921401
it was a hypothetical joke

get a load of this autist

>>175921763
That's true. I'm just saying your reasoning is flawed. Not being immediately broken in the most obvious abuse case doesn't mean it's not op.

>>175921850
You not being able to produce an "unfair" situation for the card, without contriving the most unlikely case, does mean its not OP.

If you are taking 10+ damage in your turn, as a Warlock, without Reno or Malganis in the game, you MUST kill your opponent on that turn.
So the card is either tap+play for a 3 mana deal 2 damage draw a card, or an OTK card.

>>175921795
you have no fuckin idea what hypothetical means

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right i havnt been able to get past rank 15 with either of my mage decks fuck em, please someone give me a deck i can do well, id rather not drop down to pirate warrior

>>175921912
You can't tell whether a situation is 'unfair' that easily with literally 0 playtesting.

If at any point in the game you can utilize health loss cards to do a large amount of damage to both players your card is op. Are you claiming that no situation like that ever occurs? I actually don't know. But you have to look at other situations like that too, you can't just say 'welp looks like my card can't completely destroy someone in a single turn, must be balanced'.

>Primordial Glyph can discover Primordial Glyph and the cost reduction means you can cast it for free
>Can potentially mulligan until they get the spell they want
>No other discover card lowers the cost of the spell

As much of a retard as Reynad is sometimes, he was bang on with what he said about mage.

>>175922168
1. Priest, a class that has a lot of health gain, got two cards that deal damage to both players in a past expansion. Neither was ever used.
2. Warlock has no health gain.
3. Warlock is almost always at lower HP than the opponent, unless they are about to kill you right now.

>>175922308

blizzard went full retard with some of the discover spells this expansion, there's no downside at all to the rogue, priest and mage spells

>>175922324
Your card isn't dealing damage to both players. You have other cards that have some overly strong effect in exchange for a health loss drawback and a 1 mana card that basically says 'the drawback for all that other shit applies to both players equally'.

And that's assuming you only have 1 of them. If you happen to have multiples it could get stupid fast.

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>>175922496
>card that removes drawback from other cards

Hmmm....

>>175922439

>Priest drops 2 Radiant Elementals and Lyra
>Cycles through about 20 cards before finally fizzling out
>Wipes out every single minion I had and heals himself back to full in the process

Fighting priest was bad enough when all they did was Thoughtsteal your Rag and then MC the one you played, now they're combo-ing like mad whilst making every game a huge stall fest.

Mages are still the worst, but holy fuck are priests cancer. At least the rogue games are over quickly.

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>>175922496
>>175922618
HHMMMMMMMM.....

>>175922702

>you are now remembering streamers and /hsg/ valuing lakkari sacrifice over rogue quest

>>175922618
>>175922702
>there are cards that remove a drawback from a completely different mechanic, therefore my card can't possibly be broken
k

>>175922750

>HS streamers once upon a time said that Dr Boom would not be good
>Trump insisted that priests wouldn't see play in Un'Goro

Laughing at how wrong the streamers were has become something of a past-time.

>>175922750
I know I never did. Its one of the slowest cards in the game, for a class that can't stall these days.

>no giants + taunt enablers because of nerfs
>no reno

>>175922773
>i can't name a situation where your card is broken, thus your card is broken

k

>>175922918
I never claimed it was broken, fucktard. I claimed that your reasoning "if it isn't broken in some otk combo it must be balanced" is stupid.

>>175922990
Either the card is mediocre removal, or it ensures you die next turn.
Yes, its not broken if its not OTK.

You are arguing for the sake of arguing, without having anything to say. We are done here.

cn vs eu stream is starting

>>175923042
>your one mana card may have a mediocre effect
oh no what a travesty

>a card that doesn't damage you will ensure you die next turn
no it won't. it would be other apparently completely unplayable cards ensuring you die next turn

>i don't like the point you made despite being unable to refute it therefore you were arguing for the sake of arguing
>i only engage in highbrow constructive arguments on this mongolian interracial porn aggregation website
k

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>>175918213
>ReignofBlood

>>175922070
any suggestions?

>>175922070
>>175923736
google hearthstone tier list shitlord

>play taunt warrior
>only face aggro
>tech in anti-aggro cards
>only face control

Does the matchmaking algorithm check if I have whirlwinds and armorsmiths in my deck before deciding who it wants me to play?

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>>175918213

>the game will never be this pure again

>>175924249
>feelsnostalgiaman

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Ice Block is a fair and balanced card

Why the fuck is the brawl a 1000 gold arena?

>>175922067
i only posted that to trigger your autism

>>175923736
New report is out

http://www.vicioussyndicate
.com/vs-data-reaper-report-46/

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>>175924447

Don't forget discover cards!

>>175924584
The jews did it

>>175924584
To promote Wild mode.
You can use this expansion and the rotated out expansions to make crazy decks.
Its actually a good timing for it.

>>175924584

for healthy competition and not to drain gold hoarding at all

>opened 25 classic packs since last legendary
Should I wait a few weeks to open a new legendary or should I craft Antonidas now?

>>175924824

the odds of you getting uncle tony specifically are pretty low lad, I'd just craft it now

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>>175924676
"History has been made. For the very first time since the vS Data Reaper launched (May 2016), no deck in the game has a win rate that exceeds 52% at legend. Tier 1 is literally empty, and when we looked at these results, we started wondering if there’s a need to “move the lines” and/or define tiers differently (we’ll keep it as it is for now, just to highlight the current, incredible state of the game, but might change it in future reports). It’s apparent that while the Murloc-based Paladin decks and Pirate Warrior are certainly powerful, they can get countered at higher levels of play to the point where they are not clearly the best choices (Crabs have been doing work). "

Neat. Token Shaman feels jank as fuck to play but it's definitely underrated, I still don't understand why people aren't farming quick wins with Secret Mage

>>175924891
>I still don't understand why people aren't farming quick wins with Secret Mage

Do you mean some aggro deck that peaks at Kabal Crystal Runner?

>>175925021
Welcome to quest rogue dude!

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>make a hunter deck with only basic cards as a personal challenge since taking a break after reaching rank 10
>go on ladder
jesus christ

>>175924891
Why do people not understand this isnt because Ungoro was or is good, its because we lost more cards than ever before?

We even lost more cards than last rotation
2016 we lost GvG and Naxx ~ 160 cards
2017 we lost TGT, LOE, BRM ~ 200 cards
2018 we lose WOG, Kara, MSOG ~ 270 cards
2019 we lose 3x expansions ~ 400 cards

>>175925139
Last time I tried it was in the Old Gods expansion, but back then I got to legend using only the base set cards, no expansion stuff. Face hunter, of course, and taking trades if they are really good.

But I remember I was at rank 1 for like a week, with about 50% winrate, until I lucked out into legend.

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>>175925064
Pretty much. This is what I run, but I cut Yogg and Spellbender for 2 Primordial Glyph. The Pyro actually fits the curve perfectly, you usually want to close it out around turn 8/9. I got to rank 8 with it day 2 before I started playing Control Shaman and fell back to the floor

>>175925207
>the game being the most balanced it has ever been isn't good, its actually bad!!

>>175925273
>I am a retard
>I cant read english

>>175925273
it is not due to the value Un'Goro is adding to it, though

>>175925207
>2019 we lose 3x expansions ~ 400 cards
2019 confirmed for best meta, too bad the game will become unplayable at some point before then

>>175925372
Its getting there already now. F2P playerbase is going to die out completely come whatever expansion is next, same for moderate pay to play players. Quests flat out fuck card design for 2 years and team 5 will not address this at all making decks even more cancer than they are now. The push for more heroic brawls is really cutting into people's wallets and goodwill as well.

I'd say a huge chunk will leave come next expansion, then most will die off the following one if they continue their hungering jew tactics.

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>>175925207
Why must you try and rationalize that the only contributor to the game being in a good state is some sort of afterthought? There's room for improvement that spans canyons, but overall the game is decent right now and it's obviously due to the combination of rotation and the new set. Some of the new cards are pretty sweet (or at least have degenerate powerlevel to boost otherwise shit archetypes to an acceptable place, looking at you Rogue Quest and Crackling Razormaw)

>inb4 $0.02 has been deposited to my Blizzard account

>>175925516
>>inb4 $0.02 has been deposited to my Blizzard account
Oh, I dont think you are a shill. I think you are a cuck, not in an offensive way either.

I think you are desperate for Hearthstone to be good and have become such an addict for Blizzard games you will defend them and CONTINUE to give them the benefit of the doubt when they have continuously fucked every one of their games communities.

If everyone stopped for a minute, and told Blizzard "No." All of their games would be better, without exception.

>>175925510
They'll make some Questing Crab card that gains stats every turn that the opponent starts with a quest active.
Like, make it 0/1 stealth for 1 mana and we are set. Its not even OP, because all the questing classes can deal 1 damage AoE relatively early on.

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>Friends does heroic brawl
>1-3
>he is thinking about trying again

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>>175925516
you changed BenBrode15b into brode4

>>175925516
The games meta might be diverse but in the ways that are in ways that are extremely unhealthy both for the economy and design-wise. Rotations should happen for cards, Hall of fame was a good choice. But until they stop printing retarded shit like quests, and address ridiculous cards and mechanics like Ice block, discover cards in general or how they pigeon-hole entire classes to play one playstyle and that's it. I'd say nah, fuck em.

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>>175925718

>>175921332
Very late because I had to leave, but I assumed the card deals the amount of damage the moment it is played, not at the same time you take the damage.
As in you hit yourself for 15 HP and then play that card twice to the enemy's face.

>>175926279
How do you hurt yourself for 15 and have 2 mana left to play this card twice?
It will have to be a later game combo, so you maybe cant even afford to hit yourself for 15.
And it would require a lot of specific cards in your hand, and those specific cards aren't good at helping you get to the situation you need.

Combo is about draw, warlock loses health to draw, you need 16 health to OTK... its just not that easy to make this work.

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>when you help your bro play arena for the first time and he gets 10 win deck, when the highest youve gone is 7

though he is a seasoned yugoh player

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>craft murlock paladin
>kill pirat warrior until turn 6

>>175926485
First time my lady friend played on her phone she want 12-2. She had played Shadowverse before, so she wasn't a total noob, but clearly valued card effectiveness more than tempo and wanted to play very slow.
She was saved by getting stupidly strong choices from her discovery deck.

>have deck with 0 legendaries
>play 4 legendaries in a match

>>175914889
I am f2p too but i have murlock pal, taunt and pirate warrior, hunter, quest and freez mage and quest rouge

Jest grane your gold daili

>>175926465
>>175921182
This was my idea at the time

>>175908803
It's easy than designing and balancing a card

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>>175925064
I've been trying to tell people about this.
You basically play it out like pre-Gadgetzan Shaman.
Quest Rogue has nightmares about the deck. That's a pretty good perk.

>>175926741
You are right, its a 4 card 10 mana combo that can OTK unless the enemy has secrets/armor/priest quest/other funky effects, as long as you have 16 health.
When I first read it I thought you'd need to take 15 twice yourself, which isn't true.

I still think this combination isn't out of the ordinary for Hearthstone, there are other combos like that, and they are used by classes that have an easier time assembling them.
The Leeroy+PO+Faceless combo for Warlock was as strong, if not stronger (doesn't care for your own HP), and Warlock wasn't a broken OP class while it was used.

>>175926891
That combo needs thaurissan and 4 cards aswell. Also no taunts. They are very different in how you setup and I dont think you can compare them.

Going back to the OC card, if it said "Deal as much damage as you take this turn" it would be fine for me, because the effects couldnt stack.

>>175908803
>summon random minion replaced with "generic minion" - a 2/2 if its 2 mana, an 8/8 if its 8 mana
>target random minion replaced with "target senior minion" (came into play first) or "target leftmost minion" (brings positioning into the game more)

You can do these and with a little balancing still have a fun game.
Other random effects like "draw random secret from your deck", or "discover elemental" and so on can stay, they have at least SOME input in them, so they aren't full RNG shitfest.

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>>175927131
>Going back to the OC card, if it said "Deal as much damage as you take this turn" it would be fine for me, because the effects couldnt stack.

I don't understand what you are trying to say.
Would it be a delayed effect? You play it first, then you play out your turn, and when the turn is over the damage is dealt?
It would be like a debuff on the enemy character/minion, that deals damage when you end your turn.

I guess that fixes the OTK if you really want to remove it, but it makes the card bad as minion removal. You can't kill a taunt to attack whats behind it, for example.
Maybe if its a debuff like that, but every time you take damage, whatever you debuffed also takes the same damage.
>"This turn, whenever you take damage, deal the same damage to the target enemy".
That would be interesting.

Did you guys dust all your non-standard cards or did you keep them for Wild?

>Rares guaranteed (ofc)
>Epic are pulled 20% of the time
>Legendaries are 5% of the time
>the more packs you open at once the more likely you will get higher rarities

>no word on gold cards nor pity timer

underwhelming as hell

>>175927380
I haven't dusted anything yet, because I haven't played constructed yet. I played Arena and the last Brawls, and its not very good.

>>175927312
Obviously you play this at the end of your turn

>turn starts you are at 20 hp
>life tap -2, bloodbloom doom -10, play flame imp -3 = 15 total damage
>play frenzy on opponents face for 15 damage
all for 5 mana

>>175927380
Keeping most for Wild as long as it's still fun.

how there's no lewd mods for the game?

>>175924891
>that difference in winrate between rogue in lower ranks versus legend
Truly the patrician class

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2 mana, Warlock spell
Change your hero power to "Heal your hero for 2, discard a card".

>>175927380

I dust a lot of my gold wild cards, I kind of need to dust some more now that Lyra turned out not to be a meme

>>175927565
>pushing the discard meme
Stop, warlock should be about deathrattle, its ridiculous that they keep giving it to priest.

>>175927565
random discard is one of the main reasons warlock is in the shitter right now.

Is it too late to get started without pay2win?

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>>175927479
Zeriyah is a lewd mod for Hearthstones forums

>>175927450
play imp before doom you get more topdeck chance that way

>>175927630
Yes.

>>175927621
Discard should be tweaked like this:

>you select which card you discard
>you can't play a card that needs to discard if you have nothing to discard

So the discard is controlled, but mandatory.
Maybe tweak some mana costs too if some card turns out OP.

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>>175927642
muh dick
more

>>175927630
Go play Gwent. Seriously, a much smarter game.
It has actual bluffing and mind games, its much lower on the RNG side, and you are starting more or less on even ground with everyone else.

>>175927642
Moar!

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>>175927630
It has been too late since League came out.

>>175927748
>>175927782

>>175927630
You can play mid-range hunter for the next 2 years, that's it.

>>175927819
I'd fatigue her, if you get my combo.

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>>175927840
You better have a lot of food and shelter to do that.

>>175927895
Are you saying she's a gold digger?
No way, she seems so nice and innocent.
I will marry Zeriyah!

>>175927686
Discard should work how it does in weeb-verse. Discard the lowest cost card in your hand, they could build power easily around those mana breakpoints. Clutch-mother is a great card shackled to a shitty mechanic. Le randumb meme ruins what could be a strong thematic theme because their hero power is the best.

>>175927630

the f2p decks aren't too fun

>>175927380

I'm enjoying wild more than standard atm

>>175927380
I keep wild cards and play meme reno decks like reno shaman, reno pally or even reno hunter.

>get the "play 50 mage cards" quest
>Make a deck with all the cheapest in mana mage cards
>Play a game
>Win
wtf I usually just empty my hand just to win the quest lmao

>>175928051
>reno hunter
my man

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Currently 10-2 on ladder with this.
eater was teched in over gluttonous ooze for obvious reasons.
Ysera is a consideration im having.
whatdya think?

>>175927819

>WOMENZ GET PLACES THOUGH BRAINS AND NEVER SUCKING THEIR WAY UP THE LADDER!

Yeah...not this woman though. She is fucking useless at any job. Her only interactions as 'community manager' is sarcastically responding to people on twatter..

>>175927819
Got any more of her in lingerie?

>>175910910
There already is a form of chess where the back pieces are "randomized". That smart nigger Bobby Fischer thought chess was too easy so he made his own form.

>>175928134
>Currently 10-2 on ladder
Irrelevant if you dont mention the rank. Also I'd rather have 1 priest of the feast instead of eater.

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>>175928446

>>175928559
Cheers , lad.

http://www.vicioussyndicate.com/vs-data-reaper-report-46/

>All 8 classes are pretty evenly balanced and viable.

Blizzard has done a pretty good job this expansion.

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>>175928559

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Anyone seen Trump's "F2P" ungoro run? He defeats the purpose by doing a bunch of arena runs and ends up 2000 gold and 38 MSoG packs. Why is this chink so stupid?

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>>175928134

>being a nigger priest

>>175928521
you say that until you dumpster every mage you play against when you eat their block

>>175928617
>being this slow to the party
And no, they havent. We just lost a bunch of broken cards>>175924891

>>175928646
this.
>>175928697
>implying cancer priests don't shit on mage anyways

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>>175928646

>>175928643

it's an allegory towards president trumps inheritance opening doors for him when he was a business man

>>175927630
if i had to start from nothing again and i couldnt put any money in i wouldnt

>>175928739
>implying cancer priests don't shit on mage anyways
it really doesnt

>>175928879
shh dont let the sheild bearers hear you they might learn.

is it safe to ladder

>come back after not playing for three weeks
>heroic brawl
>leave

>>175927380
Is there no chance for these wild cards to become standard again? That's the sole reason I don't wanna dust my gold ones, incase they bring them back.

>>175929662

Blizzard was very clear that once cards are rotated out, they won't be rotated back in.

>>175929613
what kind of question is this? its always safe to ladder. Are you seriously getting ladder anxiety at rank 20 or something?

>>175929723
Seriously? So do I dust all my gold ones then if I don't give a fuck about Wild? What a fucking waste of money.

>>175929742

yes

>>175929781

Just play wild instead

>>175929723
>Blizzard was very clear that once cards are rotated out, they won't be rotated back in.
lol you shouldn't trust anything they say

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What do you think about this deck? It's thijs's but I took out Mana Bind for Spellbender since it's more useful vs palla's steed.

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Some of you goyim are alright. Don't go into the arena for the next few hours if you don't want to face bullshit amounts of removal.

>>175929723
They've recently talked about how they might add some back into the rotation. You know, just to piss off everyone who believed them.

>>175930106
Is Betrayal the most underrated arena card of all time?

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>>175905309
>Thought I'd play N'zoth Priest in wild since there's the quest, sludge belchers, chow, shredder, curator, and sylvanas to use with mirage caller
>Play the deck in wild
>It's just super boring

>>175930225

>Someone drops a snail between two other minions
>Kreygasm

Am I right?

Twitch bait to see who bothers to read posts.

>>175930319
i read posts

>>175929798
Arena must be hell for you.

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>>175930227
>wanted to try this deck before with Amara and Majordomo for glorious 40 health Ragnaros
>realize Warrior just does the being Ragnaros game better in Standard anyway

>Blizzard designs multiple expansions in one go
>Next expansion quest warrior will be even more cancerous

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how the FUCK do I win the Freeze Mage mirror????

>spectator bug STILL not fixed

>>175930632

pop their block first

>>175930632

You get a 3rd iceblock from Paveling Book.

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>>175928643
Yeah, I don't see what's the point. Probably still gonna be an alright series, but it's basically just him playing Quest Rogue until he has grinded legendary. He said himself that he did this to show that good decks are still achievable in Un'Goro even if people are complaining that it got harder to play for free, but grinding 30 arenas with his above-average win rate for a month before even starting an F2P run sends the complete opposite message.

The other F2Ps were a lot more interesting. I started Hearthstone by using his first F2P series as an example, used a similar deck and had a similar progression. Watching him do well with a pretty basic deck was nice and seeing a natural climb made it easier for me to accept my losses, considering he didn't win all his games even at lower ranks. What a waste.

>>175930565

Yeah lot of jade and singletons in this set aren't there?

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>>175930697
HOW do I do this while still being efficient with my burn spells

>>175930668
Where is the China pack drop rates?

Where are our Tespa card packs?

Why does the game still crash when you try to close it?

>>175930824

Discover a way

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>not even this huge power creep of ungoro could keep jade down

>>175930854

they just released the overwatch drop rates, can't be too long now

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Woah! Golden legendary

>firebats a good analyser, the commentry is lacking a caller/banter though.

No wonder the quality of casting in HS is complete shit when people actually enjoy inane "banter" or someone going HUGE DRAWS GOING WIDE TO THE DOME

>Arena
>Mage on 8hp, about to die, clearly has no burn or I would be dead by now.
>I'm on 11 and last turn he discovered a spell from glyph.

Can you guess what skilled choice he made?

Literally the only thing that could make him win (10% chance)? Fuck RNG the class.

That little shit would have lost 90% of the time.

laughinghs is so salty his streams great

>>175931695
clearly out played

>>175931663
>>firebats a good analyser, the commentry is lacking a caller/banter though.
who are you quoting?

And all the best casters are good players
Chakki is hands down the best, Firebat is great, Even Reynad is good when he isnt wearing a suit and trying to look good for Blizzard, Kibler despite being a massive cuck is good to listen to, Zelae is top

Can you not buy League of Explorers anymore? I see there is no option for buying it with $$ but the gold option is there (it's just grayed out for me since I don't have enough.)

>>175931904

Just buy packs for dust and craft them goy

>>175931904

you can just craft the cards you want from it now

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>>175931904
>Can you not buy League of Explorers anymore?
>He doesnt know

Thats right friend. Once cards rotate to wild you cant get them anymore, no packs, no adventures. So you have to craft them using dust.

That means instead of spending 2800 gold on a adventure, you have to spend about... 13k dust.

Be sure to thank Ben Brode and Team5 for making Wild sooooo much more affordable to casual and f2players

>>175932156
fuck

Do I get the Murloc Package? Do I succumb to the Finja meme and craft him?

I can't think of any other legendary I want to craft.

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Is it just me or is it getting very hard to get 1~2 drops in arena?

>haven't played since first week of un'goro and haven't played for months before that
>spam arena because i can't be fucked to deal with ladder
>do okay, 6 wins here, 9 wins there
>suddenly get totally ass drafts
>like not offered anything epic or REALLY shitty epics, very few rares and just horrible commons
>retire run because it's so bad
>happens again
>fuck it, let's do ranked
>coasting up the ladder on a winstreak with a very unoptimized, slapped together deck
>lose due to the game just shitting itself and freezing
>suddenly every opponent is my perfect counter, even if i switch decks/classes
>climb back up after a while
>suddenly queue into perfect counters after a half dozen consecutive wins

I know it's just confirmation bias but THIS SHIT HAS TO BE RIGGED

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>>175932320

>spend 1600 dust on a meme
>get stampeded

>>175932320

Get the murloc package, go wide and just hit the dome. Also tech in the control package and the Tirion package and bring your late game online to transition out of piloting murlocs the early game.

>>175932380
>anyone using this except the paladins

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>>175932320
there's no reason to run the Murloc package since the Crab package is on the rise.

you can't just go wide on the board anymore. what you need is a burn plan to the dome with enough gas to reload from the hand.

>>175932334

>He hasn't listen to the Lightforge podcast.

Toplol m8. Curve starts at 3 since the 7.1 meta.

>>175932535

Fuck forgot burn and reload.

>>175932156
>Implying you need cards like naga sea witch or eerie statue

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At which expansion was the game at it's best?

>>175932685
>implying you need cards like purify or ferryman

its not about need, its about hearthstone being a fucking CCG, collectible is the first word

and telling someone, you have to spend 1600 dust on Maexna instead of 700 gold, is fucking disgusting

>>175932685
>Ramp Druid pre Gadgetzan
>Silence Priest pre Un'goro

>>175932734
naxxramas

>>175932535
Jesus christ I thought you guys were meme'ing about this, these retards cannot say anything without putting a "cute" spin on it to make it seem more impressive or more complex than it really is.
>You need to hand-blast your front-line in order to slap his ticklebox with the with a murloc armada

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>>175932559
Well I guess I will be doing pretty well then.

>>175932734

Old Gods

>>175932874
>wanting Maexxna
Even when she was brand new it never saw play, and if you had her but went against Priest, you might had just conceded right there

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what are the metaphysical differences between the Burst package and the Leeroy package in a Renolock build?

When should I start bringing the Infernal plan online if my opponent is on the value plan?

you have 10 hours to explain why the paladin quest is 6 and rogue quest is 4

>>175933107
I'll tell you now, they shouldn't. Rogue should be 6 and Paladin should be 4 but only adapts 4 times or something like that.

>>175932734
>expansion
Hearthstone was best when there were no expansions

Blizzard needed to spend the first year balancing the game, instead of releasing Naxx or GVG

By nerfing cards and creating the hall of fame blizzard announced, Rag, Sylv, Azure Drake, PO, Ice Lance, Conceal, Rockbiter, Execute, Charge, Abusive Sergent, Ancient of Lore, FON, Keeper, Owl, BGH, Hunters Mark, Blade Flurry, Knife Juggler, Leper Gnome, Arcane Golem, Molten Giant, Master of Disguise, Old Murkeye, Warsong Commander, Flare, Gadgetzan Auctioneer, Soulfire, Leeroy Jenkins, Starving Buzzard, UTH,

That is 31 cards, Blizzard admitted werent properly balanced and took years to fix, these cards should have been all balanced before any expansion came out

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TO FUCKING QUOTE FIREBAT
"If you have to think real hard to play your deck, it's probably just a bad deck
you shouldnt have to think that hard to win in hearthstone!"
god i fucking hate this game.

>>175932874
>Using maexxna as an example
kek

>>175932927
>You need garbage meme cards to build garbage meme decks
>Even without adventures, garbage meme decks are already the most expensive in the game

Really activates the almonds

>>175931810
>who are you quoting?
Random idiot from firebats channel. didn't think plebs actually enjoyed the inane rambling style of casting.

I do agree with you on those guys being the best casters.

What's this wide to the dome meme? I think I missed something

>>175933234
An example of what he is talking about: Blood Warrior Arcane Giants

An example that goes against what he is talking about: Old patron warrior

>>175933469
hit face, yes they are pushing that instead of just saying hit face.

>tfw you are that hunter that doesn't get any 1 drops

>>175933469
See >>175933010 >>175932535

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>>175933469
Something the casters at Dreamhack said A LOT

>>175933227

They weren't necessarily unbalanced, just too strong compared with cards blizzard wanted to introduce.

>>175932734
GvG.

>>175933581

Serves you right for not playing control hunter

Holy shit guys like the fucking powercreep in the game, like i'm just imaging some new player right now playing his vanilla two mana 2/3 on turn 2

>>175933497
Im glad you used such relevant and up to date decks to add to this point.

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this card is better than thalnos
prove me wrong

>>175933650
All terrible players make terrible casters, yet they keep getting work.

>>175933227
They don't and never will care about balance, they care about selling cards. The power-creep is insanely real, and Ungoro is the full transparency of that with its double class leggos. Perfect world they would have used that first year or so to balance the everliving fuck out of the game but they didn't they let shit sit until it was dominating/complained about enough for them to see a drop in sales, and then they fucking gutted whatever the offender was at the time.

Quest Rogue is going to get hit hard, Primordial glyph will as well. Only a matter of time until that shit happens.

>>175933650
I'm so happy hearthstone casters know when to come away from professionalism and do goofy stuff

>>175933736
All 4 of those casters consistently hit legend, unlike you