EVE Online General /eog/

Ah shit, I guess I finally decided to jump on this boat.
Does it really matter which race I pick?
Any tips/things I should know?
pls no bully

>>175727639
unless you sub you will be stuck with that races ships and weapon type

>>175727639
race changes how you look and what ships you can use unless you get the game
Give me your lunch money kid

>>175727871
>>175727826
in your opinion, which has the most A E S T H E T I C ships?

>>175728004
minmatar

Are there any corps/alliances based out of Thera who are there because they can strike anywhere on the map from there?

>>175728004
minmatar or caldari
desu id go minmatar so you can live your wewuz fantasy and ontop of that minmatar ships are prob the most versatile

>>175728004
Amarr, in most people's opinions, has the best looking ships, but their alpha clone ship selection is pretty poor. If you're looking to play as a non-subscriber for a while I'd suggest picking either Caldari or Gallente. Of those two Caldari has the better looking ships.

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>>175728125
EvE-Scout maps Thera.
But I think if you're looking for a PvP based WH corp stick with Hardknocks, Holecontrol, Holesales, LAZERHAWKS, Wingspan etc.
Pretty much every c5, c6 corp can strike anywhere on the map. those guys are deep enough down inside the grid --

>>175727639
Pick Gallente / Caldari, those races got really good alpha ships, Minmatar are good too but ugly asfck & Amarr while shiny are just fcking bricks.

>>175728004
amarr or gallente

Amarr has best paint job and the ships look good all around but none look amazing except the Avatar which looks like it's a giant suicide ship. Shits bretty gud.

Gallaente has tristan and incursus which are literally the best looking ships in the game and they are just frigs

can someone give me a quick rubdown on FW

I just did a novice capture and now I'm doing a small one in my frig. I sorta enjoy getting 300k per npc destroyer kill and they spawn pretty often to make a couple mill just afk orbiting for 15 minutes.

What should I be focusing on though in terms of fun

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Everyday until you like it

also why are the npcs that spawn and defend from my own faction? Am I killing my own bros? Am I scoring a goal for the enemy team?

Can I kill a Skiff or Procurer with my exploration frigate?

>>175729298
not in high security space (0.5 to 1.0)
and i guess a procurer got enough drones to defend himself, so attacking it with anything else than minimum an astero might not work...

>>175729165
Fighting other T1 frigs is a lot of fun

>>175729294
Because you're clearly a treasonous faggot

>solo videos
>they deal with small groups without getting fucked
>I try to 1v1
>barely survive if I'm lucky
>anything beyond that is die trying to take someone else with me
Help, I dont know how to git gud.

>>175730514
>tfw I just died to a catalyst in FW

we just have to blob our shitty T1's together and kamikaze into the enemy bro

>>175730514
>what fits are you using
>what are you trying to fight
>how are you flying
?

how many tracking disrupts should I have for PvP. Should I use two on one enemy for maximum no range?

How do I use the tracking speed part properly?

>>175730514
>what are staged fights

>>175729165
>300k per destroyer kill
The tags for destroyers are 30 not 300 k
Its the LP where most of your income comes from anyways, keep track of that

Fuck around for a couple of days in shitty t1 frigs
Once you get to know the area pretty well for navigating without having to look up the map or routes, and once you meet the local gankers farmers and pirstes, so you know who to avoid, get a decent frig fit and try fighting

>>175731569
they are listed as 300k in the tool tips so maybe someone is messing with the market? But I had a couple million from killing a few npc destroyers.

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>>175731674
>>175731569
yea double checked. Even in history at their lowest they sold for 150k.

>>175731792
no wait actually there is a small drop for a few days where it went to 70 but that was for 15 days like last month.

It moves at around 20-30 units a day lul.

>>175727191
>Is it too late to start playing EVE? No
Thats a blatant lie and you know it.

>>175732546
>lying about lying

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>ywn nut on Jamyll's face

>>175732546
I have 1.5m sp and ive killed 3 guys who have played for several years today
One of them talked to me, he says he has 75m sp
Ive also earned about 1.5 billion last week

Its not too late if you arent a shitter

Is the planetary management stuff still useful? I started again recently, and had completely forgotten that it was something they added.

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>set destination without paying much attention to the actual route
>realise one jump before it's too late that I'm heading into a bubble camp
>close one heh
>turn around and get smartbombed on gate

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>>175734430
Ofc

mid-grade nomad epsilon

>being lulsec cuck to fill the time
>other lowsec pirates invite me to chat
>turn out to be total bros
>join fleet
>spend rest of day ganking lazy whales

Wew, I thought it would be a lot more unfun than this.

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>>175734570
>not having AT LEAST 6 bookmarks around every gate in low/null
thats why you got smartbombed scrub

>tfw I thought /dog/ did the reply-without-giving-yous thing a lot but now I check /poeg/ and I find they do it a lot more but without reaching /sc2/'s levels of off-topic posts and IRL blogging
Every general is a country.

Stabber Fleet Issue

>calling it you
>being a newfag

I could call them light blue clovers with red exclamation marks if it appeases your autism.

Can anyone suggest some decent alpha clone dragoon or arbitrator fits for doing some missions? I love drones but i absolutely hate the looks and lore of gallente.

Not looking for anything amazing, just stuff that will work.

>>175740250
>stabs in lows
>oversized prop
>warp speed rigs

That should get you out of highsec as fast as possible.

>>175741210
>recommending shitfits

>>175740250
Just play with the simulation a bit or download pyfa or EFT.

The gist of the fits should be damage control, small armor repairer for dragoon/medium armor repairer for arbitrator, cap recharger mids, energized adaptive nano membrane, explosive and maybe kinetic armor hardener. 1mn and 10mn afterburner respectively.

>>175737541
is that thing even decent at brawling?

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Daily reminder that All-Out has been reformed.

If you're a newbie and you have an interest in wormhole space, you should contact us. We're tailoring this to be accessible for alpha (f2p) characters, as insane as that sounds.

Apply or join our public channel OwO What's this?.

>>175742509
what wh are you guys basing out of

>shilling reddit corps

>>175742629
C2 with C3/hisec static this time around. We're gonna take it by force from its current loner resident.

>>175742645
No redditors allowed.

>No redditors allowed.
Why won't you leave white stag then?

>>175742705
>hisec static
that's just asking for trouble...

what's the J number?

Give me the rundown on ShekelSquad.

>>175742778
But we did.

>>175742838
j01N4110U7

>>175742879
I'm not interesting in joining unless I know the J number

What does it mean when the womrhole screams HAAA HAAA HAAA?

>haha just tell me ur homesystem haha :^D

>>175742990
We're not even moving to j-space until we have enough tax revenue to buy a keepstar.

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>>175742990

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>>175720573
>5'

>>175742996
It means your FC thinks you have a shitfit.

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>>175743759
Alphas can't do PI, neck yourself.

>>175742148
Yes

>>175743575
>Shad
Are you trying to put people off on purpose?

This null life is pretty lame. It's all ratting and gate bubbles. I'm really thinking about dropping corp. Is WH any better?

>>175744661
Do something else then, Produce, mine (LOL), FC, go on small roams with your corpfags and no F1 blobbers. and who knows else.

Or fuck the nullbearing f1 blobbing faggotry and go WH/lowsec and become the solo god that you truly want to be or join with other intelligent god-tier pilots and forget the sheep life.

>>175744661
WH is love
WH is life

>>175744661
desu im thinking about getting into WH stuff too but im not sure what corp to join

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>>175744661
>>175744919
I am second guessing even linking this but here goes
>>175742509

Maybe learn to breath with your mouths closed before applying.
It will be fun desu.

What can one even do im wormholes?
Highsec-mission running, incursions, carebear mining, trading and industry for marginal profity
Lowsec-fw, pvp small gang/solo skirmishes, mission running again, piracy
Nullsec-bluespace carebear mining, ratting, industry for jewing out your fellow blues, mandatory fleets where nothing exciting really happens since its just blobfests and superdrops
Wh-sleeper sites exploration PI....what else is there besides that?

>>175745165
I assumed All-Out was more tailored for Alpha clones and new dudes
iv been playing on an off for 5ish years now

>>175745228
Wormhole brawling
Evictions
Roaming gangs all over null
Black Ops
Ganking ratters, both in W-space and K-space
PI
Sleeper sites
Exploration
Gas huffing
Industry and capital ship production

>>175744254
>Oh my god an artist I personally dislike

The picture looks fine. I really dont get this attitude. You do realize half of the actors in america are utter fucking tools and the other are religious nuts or leftist morons, right? Yet I bet you still watch the movies they make.

Or is separating the author and the artwork too much to ask?

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>tfw you realize that you are flying for hours absolutely alone and doing nothing and you like it

I heard there's a war going on because of smug anime girls or some shit? What's wrong with you people

It's just discord drama. Ignore.

If i fill my training queue to last for years and then drop to alpha clone will the queue clear as soon as i become alpha while im offline, or when i next log in?

>>175746320
wot you gonna do when the new scanning system comes in

>>175746320
>clearly a pvp fit
>core scan probes
u wot m8

I'm cloak camping provi so hard they've all stopped ratting and sometimes even logging on. They simply won't undocumented to defend, rattle or anything. Now I'm taking their sov and they're getting even more discouraged

>>175746419
>What's wrong with you people
We are all anally ravaged that this game is dying while pretending that it's doing just fine. This causes a lot of frustration and passive aggressiveness in all of us.

Dead Game
Dead General

>>175747902
>They simply won't undocumented to defend
dumb phoneposter detected

>>175747658
You can still turn it off

>he doesn't know

Expanded launchers are a fucking meme. Nerf the cpu fitting cost.

>mfw t3ds have a fitting free ticket for probe launchers

>>175747996
Phoneposting best posting
Just turn the autocorrect of if you arent a cuck and get decent app for 4chins
>Not utilising every display at your disposal

>phone
>not tablet in bed

>tablet in bed
>not being plugged in to the neural web

I'm plugged into the buttplug web xDD

>Not squatting on your chair at the local internet cafe that you practically live in

>>175748036
they are permanently removing the old one on may 9th

>>175729298
a procurer can solo everything under a cruiser

>>175746320
your fit is garbage and will die to everything

>>175747920
>tgis game is dying
>doing way better than it was 2 years ago

>>175750637
>except it isnt
>its a fact look it up urself

>>175750693
>player count is up from 2 years ago
>more content, quality of life changes and tons of shit
Yea m8 I looked it up

>>175750637
No.

It's doing well financially because of microtransactions in SKINs and skill injectors, but the overall player number is dwindling, rapidly.

There are less concurrent players now than right before alpha clones were released. Not even "free to play" was able to revitalize the game.

>>175750756
>stats released by ccp show the OPPOSITE
>"quality of life"

fucking ccp apologists ur the reason ccp thinks it can do no wrong

>>175750825
>but the overall player number is dwindling, rapidly
The population is growing stupid ass it hadn't been declining since well over a year ago

Post evidence faggot

>people tell me the game is dead

I have fun playing it, and so does the people I play it with

okay

>>175750825
just post links or any kind of info instead of trying to convince anyone of anything or gtfo


why waste your own time

>>175750897
you first

o wait
doesnt exist

>>175751000
>my (made up stats) say you're wrong
>prove it
>nut uh u first I couldn't be bothered to back up my claims

Still no evidence the game is dying

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>>175750897
>>175750991
This information isn't hard to find you insufferable little shits.

I knew the alpha shit was a dying breath, only to fall on its back months later when all the F2P fags realize this game is archaic shell of a stupid design.

The end is nigh.

>>175751105
>made up stats
>RELEASED BY CCP

it was posted in the previous thread im not gonna search for it to educate a garbage can player

>>175751205
Hey wow Player count is way up. Thanks for proving me right

>>175751205
>22k

lmao

there was 32k like yesterday and usually in the afternoon. it's 22k right now and it's wednesday monday when everyone is at school or at work.

Nice source.

>complaining about the effort in sources
>takes and posts in an image instead of posting link

its like there is something you don't want us to see :^)

>>175751271
are you blind or incapable of understanding a sudden spike (alpha clones) and then a rapid downward trend

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>>175750825
Are you just pulling facts out your ass or what?

>>175751348
>>takes and posts in an image instead of posting link
Are you merely pretending to be retarded or do you not see the giant letters saying EVE ONLINE STATUS MONITOR

>>175751224
>didn't post any stats
>posts a "source" like he's sourcing Google.com

>>175749895
wut r faction frigs?

>>175751609
>insinuating a procurer cant solo faction frigs

ur fucked in the ehad

>>175751401
Did you even stop and think at the graph you just posted? That huge spike in activity is the F2P release. We reach about 40k concurrent players at that point.

Right now it's about 32-33k. That's a 20% drop in 6 months.

>>175751918
that was posted in reply to
>There are less concurrent players now than right before alpha clones were released.

which is clearly false. Also I'm not the fag you're arguing with, he's delusional, just don't lie.

>>175751862
https://zkillboard.com/kill/61989505/
Literally today.

>>175727191
>peopele always call the minmatar the we wuz race
>when you can make them hillbilly crackheads
Trailerpark race best race.

>>175752256
>mining ship
>PvP mid

whats going on here?

>>175752395
They have the shittiest ship designs. It looks like wrecks with engines slapped on them. Like they pilot maneuver the ships by pulling on ropes.

>>175752256
>nitpicking

dude nice
>>175752412
its to kill retards/survive until niggas show up

a NON retard procurer can easily solo everything under a cruiser

>>175752138
Fair enough. I was going off memory in my initial statement.

If the current trend persists though, it will be true in a few months.

>>175752412
Made to kill people trying to gank it, and it still can't get a kitey frig.
Literally just orbit in warp disrupt range, kill drones, apply dps. Life on ez mode.

If you are a bad pilot, you may struggle, but a lone procurer is useless.

>>175752526
>>175752578
seems dumb as fuck.

>https://zkillboard.com/character/96733674/

Should being Russian be a ban-able offense?

>>175752493
They're literal scrapyard hillbilly rapists.
>>175752256
>no rigs
Congrats you killed a retard! Was he using t1 drones as well?

https://zkillboard.com/kill/61905922/
https://zkillboard.com/kill/61886401/

look mum i can do it too XD
>>175752663
its not, but u are

>>175752663
>extra survivability by webbing enemy drones
>web and scram to ensure you catch for the batphoning party
>slightly less tank on a ship worth only 25 mil

Mining barges are content creators at best, how new.ru?

>2 nano
>200mm plate

>warpstabs
>trimarks
>ceptor
wtf

Why is /dog/ so averse to direct links?

>>175752852
i wish /dog/ was averse to shitters

atleast i get to remember im not shit when i read this thread

>>175752691
>Uhhh, uuh, ahaha, no rigs, that's why he died to a frig!
https://zkillboard.com/kill/61960089/

Procs die to frigs all the time, get over it.

What's /dog/'s opinion on Bombers Bar?

>>175753228
They abuse cloaky camping, will all be banned soon.

>>175753262
Thanks for making me laugh anon

>>175753228
faggots

>>175753262
>being this butthurt about cloaking
Show me on the doll where the hot droppers touched you.

>>175753228
trash players, trash fcs and trash fits

although I can't blame the people who fly with them too much, all the current alternatives aren't much better

rip pizza

>>175753262
noob

>>175752916
At least post some killmails that don't contain shitfits. I can't fap to this.

>Triggered 6 man corp nullbear is back
Disgonabegud. Also
>removing the cancer that is capitals from space one roam at a time
>bad thing

>>175753460
>Go to zkill
>Search procurer
>Press solo

>Profit

I just clicked random killmails and of the first 8 I clicked on screen, 2 were frigs.
If you want to fap, I can assure you there is material out there.

This was just to prove a point.

>that null fag whose mad he can't kill a few blops in his ratting carrier so he demands nullsec become even safer

>it's the faggot mad at capitals

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>>175753262
>abuse
>cloak camping

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>he enjoys the PL/Goon blobs

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>game is often advertised as having one of the steepest learning curves of any game
>may people scared off and intimidated by this
>the game is actually packed with mouthbreathers
Why is this a thing?

'Radical' Damage Control

>>175755656
some people, specially normies don't heed to this warning that intimidate so many autists, so they end up playing regardless and just stay being shit players forever.
in turn the average autist or neet would take it too much to chest and take extra preparations to ensure he doesn't suck ass, resulting in not playing at all
so there you have it, average joe that doesn't know he sucks but sucks ass, and autismo that is too afraid to play

>anon get on comms

I can't wait for nullsec local delay, finally CCP doing something good.

>guys I'm tackled
>x up in fleet bro
>I'm not in fleet guys please hurry

>>175757897
If this were an actual thing I'd cum. No need to run black ops to get content without targets instantly docking up.

>>175758162
>you enter warp
>local spikes

>>175751918
to be fair isn't that usually what happens after a game goes f2p? Casuals pick it up, then they drop it.

>>175758396
>it's a hot drop
>land on top of 30 black ops

>>175755656
Because mouthbreeders dont isually stick around for long
Notice how players are either brand new or several years into the game 90% of the time

why does this game have graphics? wouldn't it more fun if it was just a spreadsheet?

>>175759975
This thread would be more fun if you were dead.

>omega lapses in 4 hours
>can't afford to chain plex any more
>only got 7m SP this year

Time to wait for my free 10 days again...

dog

vagabond

Man assault frigate are garbage whose bright idea was it to give half these things the same fitting as a t1 but with more guns

>the only part of eve that isn't fag cancer
>all these non-frigate people want to turn it into fag cancer 90% resists retarded unbreakable logi cancer gangs

please go

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Every fucking fight. Every single fucking fighty my faggot CEO just mjd's away and gives us this stupid fucking look when he leaves us to die.

AFs are useless. Dessies are better at everything

>>175766458
Fuck off loser. Assault frigate are shit because they've been neglected for what? 8 years?

>>175762079
Free 10 days? Explain

>>175767628
yeah look what hacs and t3s did for cruiser pvp I'm sure adding the same thing for frigates will make everything so much more fun and skillful

What alliance is everyone in?

>>175767831
PL is the official 4chan corp

>>175767936
well, it would appear that urgaypwned

>>175767831
I assume most people here are Panfam or Goons

>>175767752
Hacs are fine, they've been in a good spot for a number of years. T3cs were never used on the scale they are today because only now do people want bigger better faster stronger so they keep going up the meta. How do you think machariels got so popular

>>175767831
Shadow Cartel

>T3cs were never used on the scale they are today because only now do people want bigger better faster stronger so they keep going up the meta. How do you think machariels got so popular

how can you think you know so much about something you know very little about

>Hacs are fine

high resists + logistics is always cancer

>>175767831
Pandemic Goonswarm Coalition Please Ignore

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>null<>jita JF service
>600isk/m3
>tip 15%
>"wow cheapass"

>log in
>"GUYS GET IN COMMS MAX DOODS"
>log off

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>>175768851
>tfw 20m for full JF to low

>>175768851
How dare you not compensate the man with a royal sum for logging in a few cynos and pressing a few buttons.

>>175768851
>tipping someone for doing his job
No.

Tfw I bully people out of their isk, blow them up and the pay them back their ships value if its lower than what they gave me

They thank me every time

Eve players are natural cucks

>>175770104
your a cuck

>>175771054
you're*

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Show yourself, faggot. I know you are here.

>>175767723
If you're unsubbed long enough CCP throws "deals" your way. I think it's:
- 3 months for price of 2 at 6 months inactivity
- reduced price of 2 months at 12 months inactivity
- 10 days free at 24? months inactivity

Can't be assed to verify the numbers, but it's something like that for sure.

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>>175771378
>amarr

>>175771441
I was gone for 4 years. Just skimming my mail the most common offers were for 50%, $10 for 1 month or $30 for 3 months.

Why cant we have remote cloaking projectors, so that covops ships can cloak other ships by projecting at them like a remote cap booster almost
Except it would have very long activation cycles and keep the covops ships cap at a constant 5% as long as the cloak is active


Cloaky capital campers/fleets and ambushes would be fun

>>175773618
Mobile Scan Inhibitors hide all ships within it's area of effect from the directional scanner.

>>175771378
God damn what a garbage fit

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>>175771378
What's the point of this fit?
>somewhat low dps and alpha
>range isn't anything special, 20km with radio which kills the little dps it had
>handles like a semi
>1500m/s without overheat so slow for a cruiser
>if you have to rep yourself you'll run out of cap before the enemy is dead

If I want to play my races EW ship for fun in FW and I find a dps bro in militia chat, when we cap a outpost do we both get the loyalty points in full or is it split between everyone in 30k when timer ends?

>>175773897
I literally forgot those existed.

Wouldn't that be great for when you're doing wormhole sites?

>>175777292
I'm not sure how useful they actually are since the inhibitors themselves do show up on the directional scanner.

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>Change ship missile range bonuses to not apply to undersize missiles
Why are they always going after the wrong end of the problem?
This will make every single missile platform unplayble unless heavily supported by TPs.
>Increase all Heavy Missile damage by 5.6%
k, wow, it's nothing.

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>>175771378

>>175780567
is this real

>>175780567
What's wrong anon? Afraid of showing your capacitor with mwd and TP active?

>>175780531
>This will make every single missile platform unplayble unless heavily supported by TPs.

fuck, should I sell all my rocket and lml ships?

>Why are they always going after the wrong end of the problem?

the only problem with this change is it doesn't go far enough

>>175780531
>This will make every single missile platform unplayble unless heavily supported by TPs.
How does nerfing RLML's by removing their range bonus hurt cruiser sized missile platforms?

We know Heavy Missiles are absolutely dogshit compared to other weapon systems, HAM's are alright but at most you're gonna get 30km out of them (50km with a cerberus)

>k wow nothing
I agree the damage buff is literally nothing

>>175781926
>the only problem with this change is it doesn't go far enough
No, the problem with this change is that once again CCP doesn't understand their own game. They clearly don't understand why RLML are so good and why heavies suck.

RLML cruisers aren't going to give a shit about the range nerf. Maybe Orthrus faggots will, but fuck those guys anyway.

And a 5.6% damage boost for heavies doesn't mean anything when they still can't apply any of that damage in the first place.

>>175782547
>RLML cruisers aren't going to give a shit about the range nerf. Maybe Orthrus faggots will, but fuck those guys anyway.
the thing with the orthrus is that it gets a massive speed bonus at the expense of a flight time penalty. This pretty much means low speed weapons don't go much faster (HAMs) and high flight time weapons just get their balls chopped off (heavies, not like you should run a HML orthrus anyway)

Same includes the bhargest, Torps gain no range from the bonuses because they're so wacky and cruise missiles are already REALLY long range. RHML's already have a base 45km range so woopty do.

>>175782547
>CCP doesn't understand their own game

it's true, but they understand it a lot better than you

>RLML cruisers aren't going to give a shit about the range nerf

I think a rlml caracal with no range stuff will not hit an interceptor tackling it after the change, if the interceptor is pretty good

>And a 5.6% damage boost for heavies doesn't mean anything when they still can't apply any of that damage in the first place.

I think bringing other long range weapons down to the level of heavies would be good, rather than creeping damage application up to remove even more skill from the game

obviously just delete all rapid launchers because they're cancer

>>175782745
>This pretty much means low speed weapons don't go much faster

>200% velocity bonus
>they don't go much faster

>>175782882
>>200% velocity bonus
>>they don't go much faster
If you take something that goes 100m/s and jump it 200% thats only 200m/s woopty do thats not very fast

but if you take something that goes 1000m/s and jump it 200% thats 2000m/s which matters a lot more in the grand scheme because thats a 1000m/s jump instead of just 100m/s

>>175783028
if it were me I'd delete this post

>>175783126
>>175783028
>>175782882
the speed of a missile hardly fucking matters anyway. The problem is RLML's were super fast to begin with and had a high flight time to boot so they benefited the greatest

HML's on an orthrus get out to 95km, HAM's get the regular 30km which is unsurprisingly enough still shorter and slower than RLML range without a range or speed buff

>>175783328
>30km torps on a bhargest
>220km cruise missile range
I hope they relook at these ships bonuses because you're right they're all fucky. Short range missiles don't get any farther than other ships and long range systems are unaffected as well. The only thing the bonus is doing is increasing the speed a lot which just makes the missile take less time to get to a target not like it was ever an issue anyway.

>>175783328
it matters a lot, especially in gangs. if we were talking about blobs all you missile shitters would be crying about how missiles should hit instantly like turrets and it's not fair. faster missiles hit sooner, they lose less of their range to moving targets

and hams are fine

>why does my short range weapon system only go out to 30km this is bullshit

>>175782882
>will not hit an interceptor tackling it
I haven't run those numbers so maybe, but that's just splitting hairs at this point. Generally speaking the nerf is worthless because you can still shoot out to your overheated longpoint range.

Sure it could potentially hurt some fringe cases like interceptors or some nullblob's RLML caracool doctrine (I mean fleet)

>>175783614
Not really. The only time I've ever seen HML's used was on the drake pre 2011 and Cerbs post 2013.

HML's are shit for virtually everything thats not a Cerberus. Even then It takes less than 10 seconds for a Cerb's heavy missile to go 100km to a target, its woopty do.

No one is gonna use HML orthruses at all, no one is gonna use HAM orthruses either because both are shit

>>175783614
A rapid light missile launcher on an orthrus still travels faster and farther than a HAM with the speed and flight time bonus

30km HAM's is extremely generic, every missile ship with a range bonus gets 30km HAM's. Only the Cerb with its double range bonus gets HAM's to 50km.

>>175783849
this is because medium rails/beams/arties and drones are overpowered, not because your hmls got a 5% dps nerf

>>175783668
being able to solo tackle a cancercal will be nice, but obviously all the brawling frigate bros will just get F1d and still eat shit in 2 seconds because balance

>>175783984
yes, light missiles probably have too much base range. 40km on a frigate weapon is retarded.

>generic

do you know what this word means? what are you talking about?

>>175784106
>this is because medium rails/beams/arties and drones are overpowered, not because your hmls got a 5% dps nerf
holy fuck this is NOT about medium guns at all. You simply refuse to admit that HML's got massive application nerfs as well as their damage nerf years ago and have been absolutely useless since. No one uses them because they're shit. They're shit because they do piss damage and can't hit shit for any respectable amount of damage because their DPS application method is entirely 1 dimensional where Gun DPS is 2 dimensional.

>>175784106
>do you know what this word means? what are you talking about?
Every missile ship with the same 10% to flight time gets 30km HAM's. almost every missile ship gets a flight time bonus, its highly generic when every missile ship has the same bonus. What missile ships get anything different? The Typhoon has the only "tracking" bonus for missiles (save for the Caldari Navy Caracal which no one uses because who cares)

Even the Tengu will get 30km HAM's. The only ship that will make HAM's go further is the Cerb

Wow another 30km HAM bote that no one uses

Oh man Heavy Missiles already have a HUGE ass base range that challenges your lock range, that extra flight time bonus does nothing.

They should really just redo missile weapon systems, ship bonuses all around because its either 5% to RoF, Damage or flight time and the occasional special snowflake like the Cerb getting a double range bonus or a typhoon that gets an application bonus.

People use RLML's because they're good, they apply good, do good damage. I've never ever seen any fleet concept or doctrine ever consider using HAM's for anything or Heavy Missiles for anything that wasn't a cerberus. Your missiles either have REALLY short useless range or they have stupid fuck huge range that you'll never use.

Please tell me when you're gonna use 220km cruise missiles on a raven that can't target beyond 90km

>>175784695
>Please tell me when you're gonna use 220km cruise missiles on a raven that can't target beyond 90km
inb4 "just use 3 fucking sebos" lol

>>175784695
>holy fuck this is NOT about medium guns at all

of course it is

>You simply refuse to admit that HML's got massive application nerfs as well as their damage nerf years ago and have been absolutely useless since

you're a very big retard. this patch mostly restores hml to their old stats. and they're still doing ridiculously less dps than the weapons I mentioned. it's because those weapons are overpowered

>their DPS application method is entirely 1 dimensional where Gun DPS is 2 dimensional

missile damage application is not a weakness, it's just different. I cannot go full speed damage mitigation mode in a turret ship and still hit my target effectively

>almost every missile ship gets a flight time bonus

I can't think of any except cerb

>What missile ships get anything different?

fewer range bonuses would be nice, they are aids

>because they're good

more like because they're op as fuck and can be used effectively while sleeping

>>175784909
I unironically tried this once. It was really neat right up until I got lazy and didn't prealign or check dscan and got caught by combat probes. It was insurance fraud anyway.

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>>175784695
>Please tell me when you're gonna use 220km cruise missiles on a raven that can't target beyond 90km
Once upon a time I ran lvl 4's in highsec with a FoF cruise raven.

Was cool.

>Please tell me when you're gonna use 220km cruise missiles on a raven that can't target beyond 90km

please die. so you have this weapon that does nice dps at plebby mid ranges like you probably want, and it has really high velocity and strangely long flight time. so what you do, is you find out its max range vs a stationary target, see that it's very long, and then complain that it's too long. why? would ccp reducing cruise missile flight time make you happy?

>>175784695
> I've never ever seen any fleet concept or doctrine ever consider using HAM's for anything or Heavy Missiles for anything that wasn't a cerberus

Eve university unironically had a caracal HM doctrine a few years ago. It worked because it requires low pilot skills, 0 personal skill and of course they have a retarded numbers advantage.

I'm sure there are equally bad nullsec entities using similar doctrines. It's a shit fleet concept, but it exists.

>>175784695
>nobody uses the cerb
>what is hml cerb

>Please tell me when you're gonna use 220km cruise missiles on a raven that can't target beyond 90km
>what is C5 long range site running
>what is sniping phoons
>what is targeting range rigs
>what is remote sebo

>>175785332
that info seems neat how do you find it

>>175784909
>one of our "brilliant" FCs wants to bash a fortizar
>makes up this absolutely retarded raven fit that hits at over 250k but sacrifices everything else to do so
>he unironically wanted us to sit outside a fortizars weapons range and shoot it with piss poor dps and zero tank
>explain him in simple terms why this won't work
>nono guys trust me I thought this through

I logged off then and there. Next day I heard they got combat probed and absolutely shredded, who woulda thunk.

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>>175785497
Can't recall anymore but it had something to do with CREST or somethingsomething

>>175785145
>of course it is
No it isn't. Every one of the guns has their own benefits, strengths and weaknesses. No one fucking uses 720mm artillery because its shit, has shit tracking and because of the wickedly low rate of fire never actually see ANY light outside of the most gimped rupture fits because fitting is such a bitch. People will review the applications of each weapon and use them accordingly. For example Laser instant crystal switch is a huge benefit for hitting targets up close or at range meanwhile railguns have to wait 5 seconds of DPS they're missing just to get it going again. Even at that rails have 30% less tracking, slightly more range, and less DPS than Beams.

> this patch mostly restores hml to their old stats.
They didn't buff application at all, they're still shit this 5% damage buff does nothing to help their ass application which is what everyone has been complaining about for 5 years.

>they're doing less DPS
man thats weird, its almost like they're shit and have been neglected since 2011 because at one time they did the absolute most, lost significant amounts of their DPS and application which just further reduces DPS

A slowboating cruiser negates 50%+ damage from heavy missiles.

>missile damage application is not a weakness, it's just different.
Its a huge weakness, on average they do less damage across the board and theres nothing you can do to make it better flight wise. With other ships, I can adjust my range, speed, transversal everything to help my guns apply better. Missiles? Nothing outside of drugs, modules and rigs.

>I can't think of any except cerb
Caracal. Kestrel. Orthrus, Garmur, Bhargest, Raven, hookbill, Osprey Navy Issue, Raven Navi issue. A huge load of missile ships get the same generic 10% to max velocity or flight time. Few of the missile ships ACTUALLY get other bonuses to missiles.

>>175785145
>fewer range bonuses would be nice
really? because you just said you can't name any ships except the cerb that get range bonuses to missiles.
>more like because they're op as fuck and can be used effectively while sleeping
>I don't like it, anything that is good is OP, anything that sucks shit is fine

>>175785350
Just because I get a range bonus that goes SO fucking far beyond my targeting range doesn't magically mean its useful. Just because garbage is free doesn't mean I want that garbage ITS GARBAGE

>>175785438
>>nobody uses the cerb
I didn't say no one used the cerb. I said no one uses HML's for anything that WASNT a cerb

>>175785497
I tried it way back when all the cool fags were doing it. The info it provided was completely inaccurate. Seemed more like it rolled some random numbers.

>started doing industry and jita jewing for some easy ISK to whelp more without caring about the loss
>spreadsheets are actually kind of fun to use

g-guys whats wrong with me iv spent more time spreadsheeting than pvping in the last week and i ENJOYED it

>>175785872
>>makes up this absolutely retarded raven fit that hits at over 250k but sacrifices everything else to do so
>>he unironically wanted us to sit outside a fortizars weapons range and shoot it with piss poor dps and zero tank
Fortizar weapon ranges are 300km. the max lock range of any ship is still 250km. Enjoy getting raped by neut bombs, webs and ultra long range neuts

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>>175786332
>mfw I try to MJD away from a fortizar pointing me
>I'm able to MJD, but I'm still pointed

>>175786182
>what is the mjd kite drake
>what is the tengoo
>what is the clay collector claymore
>what is the hml bandit gila
>what is the legion
>what is the 100mn sacrilege
>what is the commando nighthawk
>what is the permapaintcose

>>175785973
>No one fucking uses 720mm artillery

I'm not even going to check zkill, but I'm sure you're wrong and don't know what you're talking about

>wickedly low rate of fire

are you that retard who thinks having worse alpha is a good thing? kill yourself

>tracking

do you honestly believe that tracking matters in blob fights?

>ok guys press F1 on this cruiser
>wait FC, he's within 5km, our railguns will never hit, even though he's triple webbed and triple painted
>solo thorax proceeds to kill 30 man ferox fleet because muh tracking

>They didn't buff application at all

10% application is nothing

>lost significant amounts of their DPS and application

no, they lost 10-15%

>A slowboating cruiser negates 50%+ damage from heavy missiles

not all cruisers are the same

>Its a huge weakness

no, it's not. read my post again, I explained it to you

>big list of ships with velocity bonuses

you said flight time not velocity kill yourself

>>175786332
It was a highsec target so there were no bombs or point defense.

I tried telling him what you said, among other things. Better to just fit something tanky with logi support and be able to actually take on a defense fleet as well.

But some people are simply unwilling to listen to advice and rather go through with their own perfect idiot plan.

>>175786182
>I don't like it, anything that is good is OP, anything that sucks shit is fine

who are you quoting, definitely not me

>cruise missiles
>garbage

again I think you have to kill yourself. cruise missiles are pretty good. and like I said before, having ccp reduce their flight time will not make them stronger, and I don't understand why you're so upset about the fact that their velocity * flight time is such a big number. missiles are not like turrets. you don't always ask eft what the big number is, then sit on the edge of your range

>>175786523
>>what is the mjd kite drake
lol what the flying fuck is this? I've never heard of it and its probably got more red than any green on its board.
>the tengoo
same flight bonuses as the other ships, 30km HAM's, 95km HML's
>HML bandit gila
are you just making this up
>legion
same range bonus, 30km HAMs, etc
>100mn sacrilege
same range bonus, 30KM HAM's, etc
>nighthawk
lol the fucking nighthawk is shit
>paintcose
thanks for these memes, laughed hard.

>>175786612
>do you honestly believe that tracking matters in blob fights?
it matters a lot. Lowering signature via links and bolstering speed is a direct hard counter to other medium weapons. It matters a LOT for blob fights. If it wasn't an issue why do they bring rapiers and huginns for long range webs and paints?

>10% application is nothing
thats 10% more DPS you're losing
>they only lost 10-15% dps
so thats a total of 25% damage lost to nerfs and application nerfs

>not all cruisers are the same
all the missile ship flight bonuses sure are. but tell me how 30KM HAM's is different from these 30KM HAMs

>its not a huge weakness
yea its a huge weakness to have the worst DPS, application and 1 dimensional formula across the board. but please tell me how doing the worst is somehow actually great.

>velocity bonuses are COMPLETELY different from flight time bonuses guys! even if they get the same range!
they're the fucking same for all intents and purposes.

>>175785973
>No one fucking uses 720mm artillery because its shit
its only shit on cruisers
on battlecruisers its absolutely overpowered

>>175787202
>cruiser size shit is shit on cruisers
Wow really fires the neurons doesn't it?

>If it wasn't an issue why do they bring rapiers and huginns for long range webs and paints?
so your ship's tracking doesn't matter

>>175787271
if we're gonna talk about cruiser sized guns combat battlecruisers are included, like it or not.

>>175787034
>Lowering signature via links and bolstering speed is a direct hard counter to other medium weapons. It matters a LOT for blob fights. If it wasn't an issue why do they bring rapiers and huginns for long range webs and paints?

it's not an issue BECAUSE they bring long range webs and paints. nobody cares what ship you're flying or what your sig is or what prop mods you have when you're tripled webbed triple painted. you will receive full damage

>thats 10% more DPS you're losing

it might be 10% dps you're losing, because you're incompetent and are bad at applying

>so thats a total of 25% damage lost to nerfs and application nerfs

no it's a total of however much the damage nerf is. the really obvious reason why hmls are "shit" is the introduction of drone damage amplifiers, and the +33% dps increase on long range medium guns

>yea its a huge weakness

I already explained this to you faggot

>they're the fucking same

velocity is better

>>175787539
>because you're incompetent and are bad at applying
yea lemme just adjust my transversal to make my missiles apply better, its totally my skill as a pilot making my missiles lose 60% their damage to a slowboating cruiser

>>175787627
fitting your ship is a skill dumbass

>>175787539
>my completely wrong explaination on how terrible shit is actually good is right up there, read it again because I feel I'm right even though what I said was completely fucking wrong

>>175787627
>missile application rigs
>missile application midslot
>missile application lowslots
really makes you pod yourself irl

>>175787767
I'm waiting for you to explain how I'm wrong

I
have
all
day

>>175787897
>how am I wrong when I think lower than average DPS, application is actually better than above average dps and applicaiton

>>175788219
you can't explain why the missile application system is worse than the turret application system, so you're trying to change the subject

>>175788395
>this one dimensional weapon application system is better than the 2 dimensional one. Especially when I can't do anything to make my missiles apply better with my ship piloting skill

being able to increase my weapon application by changing my speed or direction is objectively superior to not being able to do ANYTHING about it

>>175788219
>what is mediocre dps and application at a higher base range no other system can function without massive application and dps sacrifices below that of the "mediocre" system

>>175788532
except it isn't

>my applied missile damage while orbiting the target at full sanic: 100%
>my applied turret damage while orbiting the target at full sanic: 0%

you are one dimensional

>>175788646
>>my applied turret damage while orbiting the target at full sanic: 0%
I don't think you understand how gun turret application works

>>175788725
I don't think you understand how sanic I am

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>my missiles applying for 100% their damage

CSM 12 results are in

>tfw pandemic horde cucks darknessdot out of a csm seat

Wait so what the fuck is max lock range now? People always say 250km but the in game fitting says I can get my naga up to 300km because I'm being a punk bitch and using sebox3 w/ locking scripts and tracking computerx3 with optimal so I can deliver fun from afar.

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>join owo what's this? to play with some /dog/bros

>[If you're omega fuck off]

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>GOTG

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>>175791409
the game lies, you simply can't target beyond 250km

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>>175792608
>satori

>>175793339
if you likie just give us a hollah,

I'm bored and i want to do some suicide gank, is this a good fit? I'm pretty noob so no bully pls thanks

[Tornado, MemeGank Suicide]
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II
Gyrostabilizer II

Stasis Webifier I
Warp Scrambler I
10MN Afterburner II
Optical Compact Tracking Computer
Optical Compact Tracking Computer

1400mm Howitzer Artillery I x8


Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I
Medium Targeting System Subcontroller II
Arch Angel Carbonized Lead L x160

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>Arch Angel Carbonized Lead L x160

>>175793696
your good

>>175793802
*shhhh let em do it*

never used combat probes
if you use them to locate someone several au away, can you warp to their exact location or do you need to warp to pre-existing saved locations close first?

>skillfully destroy a shiny daredevil by myself in a condor
>300m fit
>only the guns drop
REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>175793696
dont need a web or prop
add sebos instead
never meta 0 guns, are you stupid?
don't need those pg rigs, do you even have skills?
more problems but something tells me you shouldn't be using a tornado

>>175793856
>>175793802


God, i don't know which one is trolling, this fit will cost me like 100 mi, that's a lot for me, so i need to be spot on

>>175794039
its literally like warping to a member in your fleet

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>>175794097

>>175793696
>no bully pls

where do you think you are?

>>175794097
>this fit will cost me like 100 mi, that's a lot for me

So why are you suicide ganking then? You know you could fit a a few dozen thrashers for that isk

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>>175793696
>I'm retarded and know nothing about suicide ganking
>mmmmm
>lets start with a tornado

>>175794352

Because i'm part of a WH corp and we are moving, so i'm LITERALLY sitting in HS doing NOTHING

>>175794505

So, tell me a better ship to do it as a noob?

>>175794861
anon already mentioned thrasher, there is also the catalyst

>>175794191
really? never been in a fleet.
but that doesn't sound like it bodes well for PvP

>I will now move +3 km/s at all times

What will happen the price of PLEX after the changes? I want to start plexing my accounts with isk soon but I want to know if I should start now or wait until after the changes in case the price goes down.

>>175795048
that won't save you if you are not aligned, they can sling a ceptor or a recon and they will still get you

>>175794979

Sure, thanks bro. I will try to come with a fit for the catalyst or the thrasher and report back in a few

>>175795143
;___;

#permadock-bois

>>175796102
just warp out on probes

afk docking nerf when

>>175796223
yeah, sounds like a good rule to have.

#D-Scan-bois

>>175794979

[Catalyst, SUICIDE GANK]
Gyrostabilizer I
Gyrostabilizer I
Signal Amplifier I

Sensor Booster I
Stasis Webifier I

Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I x8

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S x1280
Scan Resolution Script x2
r8 and h8

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>>175797004

>>175797004
>Signal Amplifier I
???
>Stasis Webifier I
you want a scram or they will warp off

>Gyrostabilizer I
anon please, this was never funny

>>175797197

>Signal Amplifier I

Increases lock speed, isn't this useful as fuck?

>Stasis Webifier I

Yeah, you are right, i always mistake scram and webifier for some reason


>Gyrostabilizer I

Bonus to speed and damage of projectiles, how is it bad?

>>175797417
>Increases lock speed, isn't this useful as fuck?
No its not because you already lock fast as fuck

get T2

>>175797417
>Increases lock speed, isn't this useful as fuck?
you're on a destroyer targeting mining ships, other destroyers, catalyst is not for braping pods or frigs
you will lock cruisers and destroyers almost instantly with 1 sebo scripted for speed, also you want all the dps you can get and 2 is not enough for a suicide ship, and stop using meta 0 shit faggot

you want a thrasher with max sebo to kill frigs, and pods

>Bonus to speed and damage of projectiles, how is it bad?
yeah to projectiles, stop using meta 0 fag

you also don't need that much ammo

>used to play Erectile: Dysfunction
>still hang around the community because I was a PVPer there, we're an extreme minority in that shitshow, I care about my peers, and I like pissing carebears off
>see some faggot saying that EVE should have no consequences, and that EVE "has no skill involved" because of the slight advantage training support/primary skills gives you

Don't these mouthbreathing faggots have children to care for or something? I mean, there's a reason we call them forumdads.

>>175797692

So, you say i already lock fast as fuck and recommend me to get a T2?

>>175797780

My friend is a gallente alpha, so he is stuck with the catalyst


>also you want all the dps you can get and 2 is not enough for a suicide ship, and stop using meta 0 shit faggot

2 what is not enough?


Also, its weird how the gyrostabilizers won't make my Alpha strike ad DPS higher in the fit simulator

>>175798413
>So, you say i already lock fast as fuck and recommend me to get a T2?
yes

>>175798413
>Also, its weird how the gyrostabilizers won't make my Alpha strike ad DPS higher in the fit simulator
if you figure this out you will unlock your true potential.

>>175798413
projectiles are autocannons and artillery. blasters and rails are hybrids, you want magnetic field stabilizers not gyros

I was tempted to just post dogs and quote you but I made this mistake once as a newfag too back in the day

>>175795061
PLEX prices are notoriously hard to predict aside from two things
>it has an upward trend as time goes by (and no big gameplay changes happen)
>when something big DOES happen, it can go both ways, spike or plummet (for example introduction of citadels, people needed liquid isk, so they dumped their plex stockpile on the market, causing plex to drop under 1b for the first time in forever)

Anything past that is hard to predict. If you ask me, what theoretically should happen with the changes is
>everyone's aurum gets converted into mini-plex, meaning more plex ingame which will devaluate it
>under the new system, there are smaller quantities of mini-plex available for purchase, meaning more 12 year olds can spend their allowance on small plex packages, again leading to more plex being pumped into the economy
>no doubt there will also be a massive sale to celebrate the plex changes, meaning even larger supply
>this all leads to an extreme oversupply of plex while demand remains roughly the same
>value of plex goes down

But logic often doesn't apply to eve players. Most nerds will be confused as fuck and won't realize what 1 miniplex would or should be worth and they'll just buy whatever is on the market.

Speaking of which, remember to create scam contracts on patch day by selling 1 mini plex for 1.1b. That should be good for a few laughs.

>>175798604

Yeah, i figured it out like 20 seconds ago, thanks tho


[Catalyst, *SUICIDE GANK]
Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer
Vortex Compact Magnetic Field Stabilizer

F-90 Compact Sensor Booster
Initiated Compact Warp Scrambler

Anode Light Neutron Particle Cannon I x8

Small Hybrid Burst Aerator I
Small Hybrid Collision Accelerator I
Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge S x1280
Scan Resolution Script x2

>>175798219
Post a common ships-engagement.

>>175794042
wuts ur fit

>>175798945
SP farms will drain all the cheap PLEX instantly. They're gonna drop first but then climb again

>>175799659
Full kite with damps

His lock range is basically 0

>>175800334
That's even more cancerous than ECM.

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>7000 m/s

>>175800441
and hes flying a daredevil

>Be alpha, try exploring
>Buy Heron and fit
>highsec has nothing but shit, wormholes and worthless data sites (800k/site)
>jump into low through a wormhole
>can't pin most of the sites due to low skills
>the one I manage to get is worth 5mil ISK
>on the 2nd site I pin, some russkie pirate warps in and I escape through the WH back into high
>time spent: 2 hours
>money gained: 3.5mil
Yeah, right. And that was with maxed skills for an alpha.

Highsec incursions or carrier ratting?

>>175804921
highsec incursions if you have the autism to wait to get in

carrier ratting if you enjoy starting and stopping whenever you want

>>175804875
was he in oruze cruise?

>>175804875
I didnt had issues scanning except for some ghost sites as an alpha.

>>175804875
Use the 3m to buy the scanner probe rigs. The higher your probe strength the more sanic you can scan down sites to increase your isk/hour.

Tbh I'd be hard to believe you are making less than 10m per hour. Even when I spend 30 minutes exploring at the lowest I get 3-5m. You prob included your hi sec time in there. You can't explore in your own backyard. It's not actually exploring.

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>rat so I can skill into and buy PvP ships
>spend so much time ratting that I can't be bothered to PvP
How do I break this cycle?

>>175806248
>How do I break this cycle?
Make more isk per hour

>>175806248
I broke free from that cycle recently but I dont know what to do now.

>>175806248
pay for the sub with real money until you gitgud and can make humane isk/h
if you can't pay for a sub with real cash then maybe you shouldn't be playing video games at the moment.

>>175806248
make enough isk to buy 10 of every module you might need and just whelp a bunch of shitfits until you learn how to pvp properly

>not profiting from pvp

so bad

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>>175806248
>make enough Isk with industry and PI P4 scheme to plex 7 accounts
>can afford to welp caps and t3c
>don't actually play EVE and only log in for big fights
How do I break this cycle?

I can't even get myself to go rat

I need to reset all my PI in my alliance's new systems and actually scan on my explo alt

>screen is 50% wh exploration
>other 50% is vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VrnIPN8qKvs

Is there anything more satisfying in life?

Who is the biggest meme in EvE and why is it https://zkillboard.com/character/578639263/

>>175810340
>99% gangs
wow_it's_literally_nothing.jpg

>>175806248
>resub so I can try somthing new
>cant find a good corp for WH stuff
>sit here and do nothing
How do I break this cycle
Man capcha really wants me to find all the gas stations and mountains today

do I need to send api and resume with coverletter to join dog wh corp

>>175811323
>tfw I can't write google on my resume or get pennies for all the free labor I give them

>>175811441
Sure you can, just put like "software testing" or something.

>>175811552
>put expert on cell biology on my resume because I did that SoE mini game once

So what's the quickest way to fix my standing with the gallente?