/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

>>175334646
>- (Future FAQ Pastebin goes here. If you want to contribute, reply to the OP with ideas or excerpts to use!)

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>>175334646
is this what /cbg/ merged into?

>>175334750
Needs more "Don't fall for X meme" warnings.

Also remove the fuck spiders part. You're giving him the attention he wants.

>>175334754
And so are you

>>175334379
>>175334479
>>175334573
Can I just do a cede planet war demand, but bombard the planet until all the pops die?

>>175334825
>Needs more "Don't fall for X meme" warnings.
I cant think of any more.
>Also remove the fuck spiders part. You're giving him the attention he wants.
ok

>>175334837
Yes but that will take a fucking eternity.

>>175334837
I suppose in theory but it would take decades. Like even with full support the most I ever killed was 4 pops and that took like 8 years.

>>175334837
If you want everyone to hate you? Sure.
Any extra bombardment after the shields are down is treated as terror bombing.

Combined with that anon said:
>>175334910

Good luck.

>>175334910
>>175334915
It's a pretty fresh planet with only 4 pops on it, so it seems doable.

>use all my trait picks and trait points during race creation
>i think trait picks only matter during race creation
>research techs and take ascendency to give myself more trait points
>the trait points are completely useless because i have no trait picks left
thats fucking retarded

>>175334983
>he doesn't know about genetic mastery

>>175334980
>>175334910
>>175334915
>>175334982
Well, would this work? I have my Core Worlds Population policy set to Citizens Only. I'm playing tall so all of my worlds are core worlds. If I conquer the planet, then set up a migration treaty with another empire, will the unhappy pops move away without me getting any dirty xenos?

>>175335304
I think so that might actually work.

Anybody got a download for 1.5.1 Stellaris?

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>>175334750
>>175334646
>>175334904

https://pastebin.com/sULxXGv9

hows this lads

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Should I make the Illwrath?

>>175335685
tpb

>>175334915
Still faster than displacement purge

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HA

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Am I doing the tall meme right now?

How big are science nexuses supposed to be anyway?

>>175336005
>30 years
never trust a bird

>>175336005

Why are birds such assholes?

Will the empire I have a migration treaty get mad, if I genetically modify their citizens?

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>Manage to push back the unbidden to a single sector
>Build my fleet up to 120k with extra dimensional weaponry
>They have 150k above the wormhole, I assume I can take them on
>Enter the sector, the 3 fleets head toward me
>I'm actually doing more damage than they are doing to me
>My ships start firing off screen
>"What the fuck is it firin- oh"

>>175336561
No, they're your citizens now.

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>have imperial cult
>queen is chosen one
Take this space fedora tippers.

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>>175336584
Finnaly after 50 years of terror the source of doom has been shut down the fleet Last hope led by admiral Pablasch have driven them back with a fleet of 70k and had taken losses well into 200 corvettes over 70 cruisers and at least 20 BBs. While this has cost trillions of lives and at least 1million force power worth of unbidden remain the galaxy takes a sigh of realif that the worst is behind them now we rebuild. Dont worry it is doable just very hard and very long dont give up hope I lost 2/3rds of my empire and they were at my capitol before I started to turn the tide.

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I thought I already got this event.
the fuck paradox

>Population of synths keep electing leaders with +10% food effect, different ones at that
>Synth leader forms "original species" preservation coalition, mad that I gave synths right
>Migrants from another empire mad that I have migration treaties with that same empire

Why is this game so fucking retarded

>>175336842
>Migrants from another empire mad that I have migration treaties with that same empire

Cubans that escaped to US hate Cuba, dumbass, it makes sense

>>175336837
Can't have too many fart aliens

>>175336842
So mods can fix it. Then paradox will pump out bad copies of what those mods did as dlc.

>>175336935
>migration treaties
>escaped

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>>175334646
Has stellaris got any more fun then when it first launched?
I remember buying it but stopped playing it because it was boring due to nothing really happening early game
Do i gotta get all the dlc in order to make it playable?

>>175337082
>Has stellaris got any more fun then when it first launched?
No, it may have gotten worse

>>175337082
There's more stuff to do early game now. The problem is that all the cool shit they've been adding lately only becomes available when it's past the point of it being useful. Or it just takes way too long to build for the benefits.

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>>175336842
>Migrants from another empire mad that I have migration treaties with that same empire

>>175337152
>No, it may have gotten worse
How so?

Any reason as to why mods show up in my startup list but not actually in game?

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pls just go and stay go

>>175337328
probably getting overwritten by something else

>>175337082
the dlc has certainly helped a lot, its worth coming back to try it out at least.

Don't pay for it though pirate that shit.

>>175337082
Early game is ok. Its always been ok, as thats the most polished part of the game.
Mid? And end game are where it still drags like fuck

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>instead of conquering everything for the nth time I decide to try federationing it up
>successfully manage to ally all 3 of my neighbors
>
>uh
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>they kind of expand over me and I'm left with 4 systems plus the shitty size 13 planets I won't even touch
>
>
>they get in a war with the inferior bad guy to the north and I'm not included
>they literally take THIRTY FUCKING YEARS TO FIGHT THAT WAR
>T H I R T Y
>during all that time I can't even federation it up
>after they're done, only one wants to be a member, but get like 6 associates
>what do associates even do
>
>
>everyone is kind of at peace and I have nowhere to expand
>my federation member niggered my cybrex homeworld before I could discover it but I can't even negotiate for it because diplomacy is barebones as fuck
>
>
>
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>try to go to war with whatever random bad guy at the other end of the galaxy just so I have something to do
>federation member votes no
>
this is the worst possible gameplay experience

>>175336791
Ive had the unbidden spawn over 10 times already (save games) and 9/10 times they get killed by the ai.
I only had one time they really beat the galaxy and that was because i set habitable planets to .25

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How big of a fleet do I need to beat the Unbidden?

>>175337512
Fun tier for playstyle is like this:
Best tier
>fanatic purifiers
good tier
>militaristic anything
meh tier
>Everything else not in this list
Shit tier
>pacifist
Wtf r u doing tier
>federation member

>>175337746
how long did you let them fuck

>>175337082
the puddle is a lot wider, not deeper

>>175337746
About 100k fleet power and ninja the portal

>>175337746

100k and a bit more , proton torpedoes , high end kinetics and meme arcs are good

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One of my defensive pacts pissed off the local Fallen Empire.

Autocannons are NOT viable. Do not research them. Just use normal kinetics.

>>175337960
You need to research them for flak

>>175335304
You don't even need the mogration treaty. They'd count as refugees

>>175337746
I just beat them and I can say if you let them build up a bit and feel like a hero you would need at least 300k force power to fight them all in one ultra battle. I beat them with a ninja fleet using hit and run tactics for 30 years my ninja fleet hovered around 70k power all game. This is how it looked by the time it did the final blow.>>175336791

>>175337878
>>175337845
Fuck, I guess stupid to research Jump Drives then, need to get the numbers up. Federations?

>>175337781
Didn't even research jump drives

>>175337937
>10k fleet
You gonna get raped, then raped again because that faggot won't surrender.

>>175338062

didn't they add a feature that cause ships to die during emergency ftl ? how many ships do you lose per jump like that

>>175337986
Just salvage it from militant isolationists.

>>175338190
Yeah, fuck defensive pacts. Better to just turn everyone around me into vassals.

>>175338223
I think every ship takes like a 10% hit or something, so how many you lose depends on how many are already rekt

Give me a human name for a perimeter Fortress-class station equipped with bombers and kinetic artillery meant for a Flower Fort System.

>>175338223
Only like 1 or 2 my admiral was a trickster which makes those less dangerous but even then I dont think I ever lost more then 5 in an emergecny jump ever.

What do you turn into Ring Worlds?
For me it's systems that don't give any fucking resource.

>>175338190
Too many holes in the treaty system.
>be empire with about 5 vassals
>one vassal is guaranteeing a small kingdom next to a big federation
>every 10 years the federation declares war on the small kingdom dragging me and the 5 vassals into a huge war
>the kingdom has closed borders to me so i cant actually fight in his territory

>>175337561
When I set habitable planets to .25 they spawned in the middel of an AE and got insta-killed

>>175338350
Pulsars. I would do black holes but for some reason you cant build one

>>175338423

Pulsars are such a weird choice for a ringworld.

>All that deadly as fuck radiation.

What does a covenant with the whisperer of the void do?

>>175337561
In 15 games I've had the Robutts once (and they were bugged and auto-purged themselves) the Prethoryan twice (and they were bugged both times and just sat there), two were on small maps where I won pre-crisis, and every other time was the Unbidden.
And out of those 10 Unbidden they have become threatening exactly twice, but neither of those times did they get to any more that maybe 5% of the galaxy territorially.

Crises are shit in general. AEs are much more dangerous.

>>175338516

Slaneesh.

>>175337960
They aren't awful these days. They aren't really good but they can be used if you want to mix up the look of your fleets a bit.

>>175337986
But yeah, this. Flak is love.

>>175338505
It looks pretty cool though, and radiation is good if you can collect it

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Look at this clusterfuck of an empire.

>they also talked about an idea for changing the way Armor works, instead of it being a flat % reduction in damage, barring in mind any laser/plasma weapons, that it would instead work as an additional Health Bar, similar to how Shields work currently. Though retaining the option to damage hull directly via appropriate weapons
sooo
turn armor into literally shields

why?

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Paradox is REALLY fucking bad at AI.

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>>175338735
Had this happen to me with the entire fucking enemy fleet.
They warped into my spaceport and were beating on it for ages. It was hilarious.

>>175338735
Why does the AI love Distruptors so much anyways? Late game warfare is stupidly easy because most of their ships are only packing these stupid things.

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>2302
>Tech rng hasn't given me battleships

Ayyyyy lmao

>>175338845
they are worse than cruisers and are just for ~arrpee~ and looks

>>175338696
Paradox has a habit of knowing there are problems with thier games they even know what they are. They just have no idea how to fix them. Sometimes they get lucky most times they dont. If it sheds more light keep in mind that they have some insane idea that people play thier games multiplayer only. Its why HoI4 shipped with essentially no AI AND STILL HAS NO AI. The next DLC for it is mainly centered on finnaly almost a year after realase giving the AI a major overhall.

>>175338818
>Had this happen to me with the entire fucking enemy fleet.
That's what just happened to me.

I was a little pissy since his fleet was over half my strength, I didn't really want to take any losses. Fortunately, I didn't. :^)

>>175338516
You get bonus resources, then your people get -Decadent (and want slaves) and + Consumer Goods demand (and use more minerals).

There isn't much downside if you are already autocratic/cast system.

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Are you a xenophage, anon?

>>175338696
Paradox cant design games or balance

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>>175338946
eat
moth

>>175338845
>almost 2400
>haven't even built a single battleship

>>175338696
Armor as shields with a different set of weaknesses really isn't a bad idea. It would be way the hell more intuitive then the current system.

>>175338946
yes, xenos are yum yum

>>175339031
>building battleships ever

>>175339073
>armor reduces damage to Hull
>some weapons do extra damage to armor just like how some do extra damage to shields
>that's literally it
how is this in any way unintuitive or hard to grasp

>>175339073
I guess its easier to balance if you just make everything the same

>>175339130
I don't give a fuck. I like big ships and a cannot lie. I burn a stupid amount of resources forcing battleships to work despite every reason they are a bad choice.

>>175338923
It's not about multiplayer, they just botched or half-assed it.. Look at Civ 6 AI, it's even worse yet and that's even more SP centric. Confusing stuff to see AI get worse over time, I don't get why developers aren't using machine learning to make human-like AI yet

Its my first playthrough using wormholes so I sneak a few construction ships behind enemy lines and always have a spare fleet for destroying enemy infrastructure. Is asymmetry the only thing WHs are good for?

>>175339207

>Armor bonuses are not reflected in the ship design screen.
>Armor is hard capped
>There is no indication of having hard capped armor on the design screen
>Armor values are not linear

The AI will make designs over the armor cap, so the GAME ITSELF doesn't know how armor works.

>>175339224
>Yellow bar on top of HP that goes down first
>It resist some damage types better then others.
>Doesn't require energy
>Doesn't regenerate like shields

Not really the same.

>>175339298

>Is asymmetry the only thing WHs are good for?

WHs are unironically the worst for asymmetrical warfare anon...

>Don't really understand why people think habitats are OP
>Make one
>Solar Power Processor
Oh.

That's why.

>>175339298
You will fucking hate wormholes until you upgrade them once or twice. Then they get kinda comfy. They let you go super fast and invade four enemy cities at the same time.

>>175339439
Edge case, but hyperdrive can be worse if someone has a hard point and fleet parked on your only way into their territory.

Granted, the AI won't ever do that.

>>175337356
Gotta a specific idea on what you mean? Because I feel like I've tried everything here.

Things that are shit in this game
>diplomacy
>trading or impossibly thereof
>vassals
>federations
>balance/weapon variety if you follow the meta
>AI

>>175339935
You forgot warfare

>>175339994
thanks can't believe I missed it

basically the only good thing is the events

>>175339410
So its shields that dont regen, but shields dont regen in battle anyway unless you take capacitors

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>outpost next to a xenophobe FE

WHAT COULD GO WRONG?

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>>175338368
>Fallen empire awakens right next to me
>Become signatory (can't do diplomacy or war, but otherwise free to do whatever) because would never be able to survive them and the fuckload of enemies all around me
>Was in a defensive pact with another empire when I signed
>For some reason my defensive pact is only annulled from my side, the other empire would still come to my aid if I were to go to war
>Other fallen empire awakens
>The empire that was my co-defense pact friend signs the second empire's treaty, they can still do diplomacy under that treaty
>War in heaven starts
>I'm dragged into the war, the empire that had the defensive pact joins my side against their overlord while still being a vassal and at war with my overlord, thus also at war with me. Their overlord joins their vassal's war thus being allied with me
>mfw I'm simultaneously at war and allied with an awakened fallen empire while being the vassal of another they're at war with

>>175339935
>things that are shit in the game
>Implying the game has any of those.

>>175340284
>declare war on tributary
>hes still my tributary during the war
>warscore is permanently -1 because every time i win i lose an equal amount

Are torpedo corvettes worth it? Right know my fleet is all kinetic artillery and giga cannon BBs with flak destroyers for cover at a 1:3 ratio.

>>175340067
Events are shit.
The only good thing is the map

>>175340647

>Are torpedo worth it.

Energy ones (anti-shield) are.

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I feel like this has got to be one of my mods fucking with something, no way you can seriously get that this early or cheaply normally.

>>175340847
I get it sometimes too. Its cheap because its the start of thr game and you have 0 extra planets and pops.

>>175340847
terraforming is a meme

>>175340847
You can get it pretty early now. They seem to have cut all the pre-reqs, or if not all then most of them, so you can see it in the first few years with some luck.

>>175340847
>Let's make terraforming accessible earlier so people can colonize differently
>Make the tech cheap
>Keep the insane price

It should be a gradual thing and a bit cheaper. Instead of paying 1500-3000 up front, you'd have a steep maintenance for a long time. You could stop it at any time or lower the maintenance paid (and slowing down the progress). Shit, EU4 has that system with colonization and it makes much more sense.

>>175340847

I don't have a problem with terraforming being expensive and hard. It's not that easy to terraform a planet.

>>175339935
>STILL
>CAN'T
>ASK
>FOR
>OPEN
>BORDERS

What's the highest difficulty level in Civ 6 where the AI doesn't cheat?

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>>175334646
WH40K is for shitters but Cultistchan is eternal

>>175341504
Open borders is automatic based on opinion or whatever

>>175342071
i had over a hundred opinion with a hive mind and an isolationist, literally friends since we've met. still won't open their borders to me

>>175342071
That's a shitty system.
You should be able to ask/trade for open borders. A competent game would even make a difference between open borders for civilian ships and military access.

>>175341464
Its not that its easy.
Its that gene modding is always easier

>>175342179
>Not keeping the race pure

>>175342171
Theres no difference between civilian and military as far as open borders are concerned, becuase you cant preemptive strike somebody pearl harbour style

>still can't trade planets

>>175342130
Are they unfriendly?

When does smods update?

>>175342374
no, they're all green (receptive, friendly, cordial etc.) they really love me
when i play as them they see me as protective
it's such a bitch when playing hyperlanes

>>175342264
Its easier because you cant terraform planets your pops are already on

>>175342467
Then theyre just assholes and wont open their borders for anyone

>>175342550
What's the point of Terraforming the planet when you can xenoform the pops?

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>>175342282
And that's fucking retarded.
Being a sneaky cunt will actually put you at a disadvantage because all your fleets inside their borders will go MIA. It's like this game was desgined by a bunch of brain-amputees.

>>175342640
Sounds like an anime plot in the making.

>>175342550
Next patch, bb.
Besides, it's a lot easier and faster to spend the energy to terraform (especially if you find terraforming gasses/liquids, which you probably will because they're relatively common) than waste a bunch of society research for a subspecies.

>>175342702
Its becuase they cant program the ai to do it
>mfw civ1 had better ai than stellaris

>>175342846
>its alot easier
3k credits for 2nd tier terraforming is no joke

>>175340847
terraforming is fucking dogshit without climate change

>>175343137
dude climate change lmao

>>175342937
Yes it is.
When are you ever going to run out of energy.

>>175343203
At the start of the game when it matters?

>>175343317
You can easily make that 3k back.

>>175343203
I fucking run out of energy all the fucking time. Yes I build habitats. I don't know what I do wrong, maybe I I'm too much of a research whore. Taking my fleets out of orbits kill my energy

>>175343450
change your sector contribution to 75%

>>175343529
Yeah that's the only thing that keeps me afloat. If I built fortresses I'd fucking cripple myself.

>>175343443
Its not about the cost.
Its about having to wait and pile up 3k in your bank.

>>175342702
That's not sneaky that's universally stupid cheese.
>lol I put my troops directly on top of u before I declare war but it's ok there jus passing thru :)
Literally babby's first tactic
This shit is so old it was a AoEII meme.

>>175343787
This.
You people dont realize how big of a thing it is to actually have military access to ones borders.
Ffs, even NATO allies have to coordinate and announce moving ships or units months ahead of the time.

First time ever having an FE awaken and they're making vassals out of more than half the galaxy, what do?
I've never even beaten a regular FE before, let alone have one awaken

>>175343787
>universally stupid cheese
Two major world spanning basically got started with a preemptive strike

>>175343978
Two major world spanning wars

>>175343978
And exactly none of them was like the case described here.
It was a sneaky attack, not a "i will move my units into your cities but its cool, im just passing through AND SUDDENLY attack".

>>175344082
Yeah err thats what pre emptive strikes are
Even during the cold war military exercises from nato would trigger the soviets and vice versa

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IS THIS A MOTHERFUCKING JOJO REFERENCE?

How the fuck does diplomacy work in Civ V?
>want to trade my luxury resources for horses
>all the time a civ rejects the deal unless I give them ALL of my resources plus 50% of my cash as tribute
>invade them and take what I want instead.

>>175344489
luxuries get traded 1:1, strategic resources are more nuanced. Usually you're better off securing them for yourself so you don't give your enemies a leg up on you. Iron is very important in case you didn't notice.

>>175334646
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Nice OP, shitter.

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>>175334781
This is what you wanted.

Is the Ship Power Station mod really balanced when used with any of the ship mods? I've noticed that most of them recommend it on their page, but to me it seems like suddenly having so many more free shield and armor slots is going to shift balance quite a bit.

>>175345254
I dunno about balance but I like it. If you aren't going to go hard on the meta-gaming I don't think it'll do much harm.

>>175334837
>Can I just do a cede planet war demand, but bombard the planet until all the pops die?
Only worth doing if it has 1 pop, and you have full/armageddon bombardment.

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Ive basically won the game and I want to get rid of all my territory and retreat back to a few key systems.

If I pissed off all the planets I didn't want and they rebelled would they all form one huge faction or would my territory get balkanized?

>>175338917
yeah but starport upgrade 6

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>>175346459
Balkans because they would go for independance.

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>>175339935
>planetary defense structures sound like a cool idea for pacifists but actually suck a fat dick
>can't dismantle your own fucking robot pops in 1.5 because of the purge changes
>can't meaningfully interact (other than through war) with any civilization that isn't either in love with you or waiting for the opportunity to kill you

>>175346459
Balkanisation doesnt really happen in stellaris unless its high unrest or someone else liberates them

>>175346883
Pacifist generally sucks overall, and is only good as a starter pick which you change later
They get two strong civics but

>>175347042
It's RNG as fuck but I had a really good game as a pacifist spiritualist democracy, completed the old god's event chain and became a fanatic spiritualist authoritarian empire by midgame, so I benefited from 80 years of agrarian idyll with none of the drawbacks

>>175347145
Yea the only thing going for pacifists is superb unity generation, but unity has no end game use so you have to switch it out or be forever gimp

>>175337746

I immediately took them out with a 50k power fleet but also had the +33% damage ascention perk. My fleet was Kinetic/Plasma and Energy Torpedo and raped fleets almost twice the power on paper.

>>175347212
I'm sure in the next $20 expansion they'll have some use for unity
inb4 EU IV style stability

>>175347371
That would be fun.
Therefore it won't happen.

>>175347513
>EU IV style stability fun
No no no no

>>175347918
Fuck off spiderfag, the stability in EU4 is good and fun.

>>175347950
>a meteor streaks across the sky
>your entire empire erupts into violence and revolution
>mfw I'm playing protestant Britain in 1810

>>175348016
*tips fedora*
Now you can fuck off back to /gsg/ and take OP with you.

>>175348080
no fuck you, tell me, what is fun about a mana drain that occasionally by RNG will fuck up?

>>175348223
/gsg/ called, they want their cancer back. That means you.

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>>175347371
>>175347513
>>175347918
>>175347950
>>175348016
>>175348080
>>175348223
>>175348271

>>175338327

Maginot
Rhein
Borodino
Somme
Bentley-Priory
STRATCOM
Malta

>>175334646
I fixed the pastebin that you were too lazy to put in the OP.

https://pastebin.com/7E0x9yRD

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Man this is the last time i diverge from the meta for RP purposes.

One can only develop a hatred of missles by actually playing with them. thank god im getting plasma weapons from this debris.

>>175348829
>not liking missiles
What are you, a member of a minority?

>>175348776
>hyperlanes
>missiles
>piracy frowned upon
shit pastebin desu

How badly would it break the game to add a small gun to the transport ship?

>>175348898
It also whines about people playing purifiers. It's a pretty biased pastebin, it's no good.

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>>175348776
>Q - Rate my species!
>A - No, fuck off.

>Q - Fucking ayyys they're space niggers.
>A - /gsg/ called, they want their kids back.

>Q - What with that spider?
>A - It's an meme, don't question it. Still fun to piss people off.

>Q - Are slaves worth it?
>A - Mostly for roleplay purpose, otherwise you can just have robots.

>Q - Missiles, lasers or kinetic?
>A - Missiles in early game, kinetic in late game. Might depends from the situation.

>Q - What's better?
>A - Hyperlanes, but only if everyone use it.

This is terrible, no one ever use this.

>>175348829
>corvette spam

>>175348898
Spotted the poorfag.

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Post hive mind vassals! Also disabling dust makes the galaxy view look so much better to me - would do this even if it didn't provide a framerate boost.

>>175348776
>/gsg/ says no, and we tried arguing with them. They just did the internet equivalent of autistically yelling really loudly until we gave up, so Stellaris is a 4x. Don't question it.
10/10 and totally accurate.

>>175349121
I have yet to get a hive mind in any of my game. It's a shame, because everyone talks up how they're bros.

>>175349121
>loyal
>just +15 opinion
HUUUH...

>>175344152
No they aren't.
Preemptive strike ala Pearl Harbour is a direct military action WITH border violation etc.
What you want to have is a cheap exploit.

>>175349324
>No they aren't.
You sure convinced me with that argument.

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Is the Living Systems mod worth anything or it is just as dumb and memey as it looks?

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Is there anything more rewarding and satisfying than having Hegemonic Imperialists and Fanatic Purifiers become tributaries?

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>>175349467
Yeah.
Winning the game and beating Unbidden, Prethoryn Scourge and AI uprising at once.

>>175349467
Yes.

>>175349141
But Stellaris is a 4X.

>>175349467
liberating honorbound warriors and making the entire galaxy a boiling, warring pot, making more and more fragmented states every war

>>175349583
Jesus, /gsg/ is coming back for more autistic screeching.

Fuck off back to your containement general.

>>175349141
>They just did the internet equivalent of autistically yelling really loudly
That's what /gsg/ always does though, nothing new there.

>no way to tactically fling your entire fleet at a specific point in enemy space for energy if you have a black hole with a specific megastructure built
terrilble, absolutely terrible

>>175349680
That explains why everyone got autistic at the spider last thread.
It's a /gsg/ heirloom.

>>175349809
No, that was regular autism, not /gsg/'s specific brand.

Is it possible to make a ship section add base hp?

>>175350015
Not as far as im aware, what are you trying to do?

>>175349945
Makes sense.

When the Stellaris discussion will die, /civ4xg/ will get better.

>>175350065
Make civilians ships beefier into mid-late game, adding sections with more hp and slots as you unlock more spaceport techs.
E.g. cruiser tech unlocks a science ship section that has the cruiser stat baseline.

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>>175349660
I haven't been to /gsg/ in five years and Stellaris is still a 4X.

/gsg/ is pretty fun.
You can farm (you)'s by mentioning or posting EU4.

>>175350303
>>175350385
Fuck off back to /gsg/ where you come from.

>>175336837
There's no limit. I've gotten 3 Baldarak events in one game. And AI empires can have the event too so I ended up having to ship a colonist from a New Baldarak in my territory to a Baldarak on the other side of the galaxy because that was where the lastest Baldarak in the galaxy was.

>>175350065
Okay, so slapping the
max_hitpoints =
line into a section definition allow you to override the base HP.

>>175350178
>When the Stellaris discussion will die, /civ4xg/ will get dead

>>175350469
Fuck off, newfag. /civ4xg/ existed before you started sperging here.

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>>175350303

>I haven't been to /gsg/ in five years

>>175350513
>>175350417

Why are you so mad boy

>>175338837
>Why does the AI love Distruptors so much anyways?
AI sees +200% damage to shields so disruptors look much more damaging than they are.

How much fleet power should I have before I fuck with a sleeping Xenophobic FE?

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Remember to ignore and report shitposting from /gsg/, discordfags and other human trash.

>>175350513
I'm sure you will absolutely thrive on all that Civ VI discussion.

need a mod that lets me fling my ships in a medium range at a very specific point in the target system's space
is it possible?

>>175350708
Hi newfag.

>>175350513
yeah, Q1 2016 was the golden age of /civ4xg/

>>175350786
At least we could discuss actual strategy and city building without having newfags sperging about "hurr durr its not in the op" nonsense.
Now, we can't. The only discussion is either Stellaris or that spider.

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Mama raised no bitch

>>175350686
60k

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Y/N?

>>175350964
Rats, is >>175350924 me.

How can I make 30k work? Best possible config against them? I know that as long as I keep building ships I should win, since they can't

>>175350924
>pity 29K fleet
>small as fuck energy and mineral reserve
>taking on FE

Have fun with watching your worlds burn man.

>>175350289
You want to put weapons on civ ships?

>>175350997
Y

>>175351050
I want to give transports a token small weapons so they don't get stuck on mining stations.
And make science ships a tougher variant, with possibly a weapon slot (thought it might make sense for it to be restricted to militarist ethos).

Today's mod salad gives you
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=908639878&searchtext=
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=901988941&searchtext=
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=906203564&searchtext=

have fun

>>175350891
Except we've had discussion where we were recommending SupCom to a newfag in the very last thread.

Don't blame Stellaris for the fact that conversation about most of the other games in the general is pretty much tapped out, and when it does ignite, doesn't last long because there isn't much to discuss.

Doesn't help that there haven't been many games in the other genre of late, and the latest RTS is pure shit (DoW3)

>>175351267
>doesn't last long because there isn't much to discuss
More like doesn't last long because everyone is like "herp derp not stellaris"

>>175351006
Accelerate fleet production and hope you get up to around 60K before they invade. Also stack defensive stations in your colonies near to them, so you can slow them down a bit.

>>175351381
Literally the same thing m8.
>The new game garners more discussion than a 10 year old game
who woulda thunk?

>>175351437
>thunk

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I think I shouldn't have installed the communists in space fartistan

>>175351409
Can I just accept their war goals of destroying the frontier outpost and not go over my fleet limit too much?

>>175350690
white and based

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>>175351437
>who woulda thunk?

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The other ascension paths need some cool shit like this.

Structures that increase subspace speed in a 300 sensor units range by 300%
Structures that increase unrest and decrease government ethics attraction on planets built by covert ops ships
Structures that will destroy civillian ships around it, but will not trigger with military vessels
Structures that allow you to zero-in fleets on a certain point in the system they are in

>Philosopher King does nothing for the ruler for Imperial government types

It gives the skill levels but what does that actually do for the position?

>>175351725
Psi warriors already wreck everything, so meh

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>>175351437
Congratulations on wasting all your credibility.

>>175351519
I refuse to transport either the government or rebels. If they want to have a war they should develop their own spaceships.

>>175351820
Its bugged. It doesnt work for new dictators either

>>175338696
That sounds dumb desu.
The important thing is making sure all weapons have a good place. Right now missiles need to be fixed before anything else happens because that will shift all the metas around.

>>175351480
>>175351616
>>175351883
Spot the europoors or underaged faggots

>>175352126
>"nice, I made a fool of myself and everyone is laughing at me"
>"but I can do even worse!"

Take a good look, everyone. This is /gsg/ in action : being an ESL, and embarassing themselves even more.

I like to think it's some kind of humiliation play at work here.

>>175352497
>ESL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9iwsnkvfhI4
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Who%20would%27ve%20thunk%3F

obvious /gsg/ falseflag though, seriously just kill all you're selve'es

>>175348776
>Q - What's better?
>A - Hyperlanes, but only if everyone use it.
>Q - Missiles, lasers or kinetic?
>A - Missiles in early game, kinetic in late game. Might depends from the situation.
Actually, no. Hyperdrives are better, and missiles are always shit.

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Ok, I tried to build more ships and put a military fortress on every colony, how do I defend them?

>>175352736
>elves threaten to harvest my seed
OH MY

>>175352621
Wrong.
Missiles are better early game before people start getting PD. But then early game is a stomp anyway so min/maxing to that degree isn't even worthwhile. Hyperlanes are shit compared to warp or wormholes especially mid game once they start getting more range.

why the fuck can't i enslave another species even with slavery permitted and slavers guild?

>>175352621
>>175352771
Okay, I'll fix the pastebin.

Also, Prethoryns are weak to PD, right? I'll add that too.

>>175352798
Are you a xenophobe?

>>175352798
Do you have the Service Guarantees Citizenship civic?

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what the hell
I closed that fucking portal ages ago, why are there so many unbidden still? Do they keep spawning?

>>175352830
Just add a note. I even take missiles sometimes because playing every game as kinetic or lasers just gets boring. It's not like this is some MLG airhorns game where you need to leverage every statistical advantage to win. I just pick what feels right for the race. Hyperspace is a fucking pain if you don't force it for everyone though.

>>175352868
Theorically, no.

But it's Paradox we're talking about.

>>175352497
What's with this /gsg/ boogeyman everybody is talking about? Is that a board that really hurts people's feelings?

>>175353021
/gsg/ is so autistic that they shitpost threads that hurt their feelings.

>>175352868
Probably because those are fuck-huge doomstacks that kill whatever gets into range. No portal no new ships but the existing ships don't go away and if that portal was open for a while the unbidden will have 1-2 million in fleet power.

>>175352991
I know, but I design the FAQ with new players in mind, so it's better to tell them what's stronger, they'll try the rest of the stuff once they're experienced with the game.
I suggested hyperlanes because it's more newfriends-friendly, but apparently it's counter-productive and jump drive/hyperspace are simpler in the end.

I'll just change the pastebin to explain that kinetics are usually better but that they're for flavours in the end. That should fix most stuff.

>>175351909

What the fuck are the stars supposed to do, though? Like, for scientists it provides a research speed bonus, for Admirals it provides fire rate bonus. What's the intended for an Emperor or Dictator?

Cattlebruiser stern for battleships y/n?
Makes them go cruiser-fast but no weaps.

Is there any mod that buff the endgame crisises ?

I mean something really fucked up like 20M strong fleets etc.
Im really in the mood for some epic showdown not that pathetic shit we have in vanilla.

>>175353210
I think it gives a bonus to unity production.

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For fuck sakes.

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>>175353412
Cry me a fucking river.

>>175353434
kys

Are standard torps worth using or are the energy ones the only things I should bother with?

>>175353434
That sort of makes sense since hes closed borders and shit, this is a tiny gap.

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>>175353462
Cry me a fucking river.

>>175353486
Yes.

>>175353434
>407 KB, 1920x1080
>>175353518
>554 KB, 1077x955
What?

>>175353486
they're a very late game thing
unless you have NSC, and thus a bunch of PD-dedicated ships with flak
dealing damage directly to hull is fantastic when everyone has 2000 shield and a shitload of armor

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>>175353434
Warp 1 in a large spiral galaxy.

>>175353604
Okay, sir, I'm sorry for attempting to mock you.
Thank for allowing me to breathe the same air than you, sir.
I now see that my complain was a minor annoyance compared to yours.

>>175353434
Fleet is set to evasive so it doesn't path through the red [!] to the north above the black hole. Shift click to that star then to destination.

>>175353604
Would a hyperlane-only spiral galaxy be fun?

>>175353695
Hyperlane only is always fun.

>>175352830
Nobody is going to use your shit pastebin besides yourself.

>>175353412
I wonder if this could be reduced a lot if stars had a lot more connections

>>175353740
It's not so fun when everyone is xenophobic (with closed borders) and/or you're playing medium or larger map.

https://pastebin.com/SLi8H1rC

Okay, I updated the pastebin. It's ready now.

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Hmm..
Should I colonize?

>>175353984
>"mm should i send my 2k armada against a 999M monster?"
I dunno.

>>175354023
That's not the question he asked.

>>175354051
He can't colonize that without fucking up the monster next to it first.

>>175353882
Oh no it forces you to do something in the boring midgame. Horror!

>>175354091
Thats nice guy sphere man. Hes a cool dude dont bully.

>>175354113
No it actually forces me to do absolutely nothing in the boring midgame because I can't get anywhere without subjecting myself to the unspeakable tedium of actually going to war.

>>175354131
>cool dude
I dunno, that GIANT SKULL kinda worries me.
Isn't the sphere guy triggered if you stay too close to him?

Or am I mistaking him for someone else?

>>175354186
Instead of the tedium of colonising and habitat spamming. Why do you even play this game.

>>175354196
Nah the sphere dude may or may not be trying to turn the universe inside out but he's strictly nonviolent.

>>175354196
No hes just a bit confused he doesnt have a proper sleep schedule so he forgets what day it is sometimes. Other then that hes cool but he might ruff you up a bit of you try and bully him first.

>spawn as Rome
>scout for new settle locations
>Giant's Causeway is 5 tiles from my capital
>cool, I'll put a city and encampment there
>sending a settler down there
>barb camp spawns adjacent to the wonder
>scout runs to my city on one turn, then returns to the camp the next turn before I can kill it
>warriors and archers start spawning with the Spear of Fionn upgrade (+5 strength)
>I'm swamped as another scout runs in from a nearby camp and runs back as I only have two warriors and a slinger by this point (epic speed)
>five warriors and two archers on my screen at once

I'm done with this game.

>>175354251
>may or may not be trying to turn the universe inside out
That... doesn't sound cool at all.

How do I beat Civil VI on deity ? Pls help ;_;

>>175354289
Sounds like an interesting Stllaris mod!

>>175354289
Hegemony III?

>>175352831
nope

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this is pathetic

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>>175354581
absolutely pathetic

>>175354294
He's not technically wrong, in that we literally do not know what the Infinity Machine is up to, so it could be that, but it is an cool guy. Don't attack it and everything will be fine.

>>175352839
i have warrior culture and slaver guild as civics

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>>175354131
Can confirm

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>tfw

>>175350924
n-no bully!

>can't attach a speed modifier to ship sections
Awful.
Just awful.

So how does the food stockpile contribute to pop growth? The expanded tooltip says it does but I don't notice it at all.

>>175355740
+0.5% growth per food per month per pop.

>>175355740
If you have food maxed out, you get a +50% growth.

>>175355740
Once the stockpile is full, excess food gets added to the growth rate of all growing pops at a rate of >>175355830

>>175355740
When stockpile is full growth is boosted based on the surplus.

>>175355830

So having high food production gives more to it? I've been just kinda balancing consumption and production but I've got a 25 tile lush world in my borders so maybe it's time to make Nu-Egypt

>no unity generation
>1 tree filled out
>took til 2070 for the autochthon upgrade to appear

This research system is silly desu

What's the absolute most optimal way to play Stellaris?

>>175356085
uninstall.exe

>>175356085
Playing Distant Worlds : Universe.

>>175356175
>tfw no DW-like ship-builder in Stellaris

>>175356308
Thank god

>>175356338
DW's ship designer is great though.
>can specialize ships for oomph/speed/tankiness/fuel-sustainability
>can set behaviours that make sense
>no need to bother with troop transports

Does "increased build speed" in stellaris increase building upgrade speed too?

>>175356175
Did they ever fix the problem where dropping tax super low grew your population like crazy?

>>175356428
It's great, but scrubs and newfags hate it.
Anything more complicated than Stellaris' shitty system fries their braincells.

Are there any upcoming 4x games that look good besides Endless Space 2 and Stellaris expansions?

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>>175356716
Well, there's Distant Worl-
>upcoming
Sorry, I 'unno. I know Arcen has a few things in the works, a survival Civ-like, and AI War II but I'm not sure they can be considered 4x.

>tfw no qt plantoid gf to garden with

>>175356716
More intel on the Arcen stuff, they have two games planned :
>Stars Beyond Reach, described as a "turn-based 4X/citybuildier" (sic), to come out in 2018 or later
>AI War 2, who just reached alpha 0.119 and should be a 4X/RTS/Tower-defense mix

Given Arcen's record, I don't know if they'll be good or trash. AI War was fun, but A Valley Without Wind and Shattered Heaven were pretty meh.

>>175351267
>and the latest RTS is pure shit (DoW3)
Why? I was sort of looking forward to it

odd DW:U
evens EU4
number divisible by 11, Dwarf Fortress