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/pso2g/ - Phantasy Star Online 2 General #1263

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■ PlayStation 4 1st Anniversary Boost Campaign
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□ Previous Thread >>175055871
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First for robots a best
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>>175237407
best girls
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>lilith S-ranked solo PD
>Tsumiki got a 14*
>pso2g still cant into expert block

is this the apocalypse? Why play anymore?
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Qunya
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>>175238813
kill it
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para ti
esta musica es para ti
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>>175237801
I fucking hate all the Mother cluster shits didn't die.
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What would happen if they got rid of the minimum number of affixes on a fodder requirement
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>>175239129
HYAKKU PAHCENTO
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>>175239129
And I fucking hate you haven't neckied yourself yet
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>you can choose the scratch pool if you pay
WHAT? SOMEONE TELL ME I GOT THIS WRONG AND CORRECT ME.
WHAT THE ACTUAL FUCK
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>same person keeps sending me likes from the catalogue

So that's how those craptastic meme characters have over 800 then?

I noticed I can like someone over and over and still get FUN. I can understand FUN being useless, but there SG in it too right?
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>>175239721
SG from titles, one time only

Unless there was also some kind of monthly ranking or something no one told me about?
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>>175239626
if you buy 3 of the 11 scratch things, you can do a weaponoid only scratch
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>>175239721
Sending someone a like is basically the same function as sending them a regular good job, it has the same daily FUN cap in place if I recall
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>>175239626
You need to do THREE 11 pulls with AC and then you get access to weaponoid scratch.
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So I finally got decent gear and can carry runs.

What else is there to do?

I feel like there is not enough to do that matters in this game.
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>>175240303
Now get the best gear
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>>175239386
Ladies first.
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>>175240462
Are you literally twelve
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>>175240303
Master Fighter and Force in solo content
Help people you think have potential
Acquire meseta, challenge miles, battle points, an Austere collection, all the costumes
Sky's the limit senpai
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>>175237801
>tsumiki got a 14*
Are you fucking serious? I just saw someone get one in my MPA yesterday too who wasn't wearing fucking rings and their best affix was 70atk. Why do only bad players get 14*?
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>>175240590
I want to smooch Patty's lips.
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>>175242520
Took the words right out of my mouth, I just didn't want to say it because
>giving attention and (You)s
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>>175242520
literally who
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>>175242916
I hate namefag drama too but I'm really annoyed by 14* drops right now. I'm yet to see them on a single good player, almost all of them have sub 100atk affixes.
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>>175242998
but neek got a spread needle
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>>175242951
The really ugly avatarfag that posts their slut character with the tiny head all the time
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>>175242998

Grinding meseta for weeks to afford the best affixes=/=good.
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>>175243117
>use your money on better affixes so your skill gets you even more damage
>or wasting it on dumb dress-up shit
You're definitely not good if you do the latter. You should at the very least have 120 atk.
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>>175243117
You can get better than 70atk with a single week of TACOs. That also doesn't excuse that the person wasn't using fucking rings.
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>>175243248
My units are affixed either 90 or 100 attack depending on the set. You'll either deal with it or you'll pay me a hundred million meseta per set to upgrade them.
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>>175243459
Why do people justify their bad affixes by saying shit they have a life or don't feel like paying hundreds of millions. You know you can get a much better set than that for less than 10m for the three units combined, right?
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>>175243826
given what my units are currently affixed with, and what I'd affix next? no, I cannot get a better set for less than 10m for 3 units.
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>>175243901
Are they 90 with like 15PP+ or something. I'm pretty sure you're being willfully ignorant to how easy affixing is at that level.
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>>175243987
You were explicitly mentioning "cost", not "ease". Don't go moving the goalposts now anon.
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>>175244163
They mean the same thing in this context. Now what else are your 90 atk units affixed with
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>>175244234
No, they dont. If you want pure attack only, yes, it's "easy" and relatively "cheap" to get 120 attack on units with no other stats. If you want to keep other stats or have higher numbers in them, "ease" and "cheapness" go out the window.

Also astral, flict, elegant, etc.
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>>175244434
Answer the question
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>>175244535
I did though.
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>>175244819
Do you have to be this obtuse in every single post you make? You would get more replies in the more active generals if you just want to shitpost you know
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>>175244965
Given you're trying to move goalposts from "it's cheap" to "it's easy and cheap if you don't want to do x y or z on your units too", yes.
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>>175245063
Yeah I saw it the first time. I said you could do better for under 10m which is because affixing at that level is both cheap and easy. You don't have to plan anything out at that point. Nothing's changed, you just love ignoring what I say and try to find some angle to prove I'm wrong without ever fucking working with me.
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>>175245170
The days of the "attack is the only stat you should bother affixing, with any coincidental pp on the side" are long gone. Just because it might be easy to affix more than 100 attack, nowadays with the sheer amount of raw attack given by 13* weapons does not necessarily make it the best path for people to take.
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>>175245461
This would have been a lot more pleasant if you just told me what affixes your units have to justify such low attack like 10 posts ago.
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>>175245590
I'm not a pleasant person, I'm an asshole. You should be able to figure it out yourself based on the information given to you.
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>>175245836
That's not something to be proud of
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Any pics of how the 14* ds whirlwind looks like?
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>>175246247
It's the normal whirlwind recolored red
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>>175246247
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>>175237801
I'm kind of disappointed with all the porn of Phul. There's nothing good.
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Is Austere rear+arm and Qliphad leg the best unit combination right now?
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>>175246456
>>175246435
Well allright heard it was also bigger and lasted longer so was curious seeing it in action
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>>175246646
Phrasing!
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>>175246646
Good players don't get 14* so we don't have good documentation of them. Yu KiritoNarukami isn't going to update swiki with theirs.
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>>175246785
>Good players don't get 14*
>zephylos, darkgston, gmcustom, astrea, bellion, neek and a whole lot of other good players got a 14star
clearly you don't deserve one, just uninstall already, loser :)
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>>175247535
what did bellion get?
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>>175246785
Clearly you haven't been spending enough money to get your hidden premium RDR up
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>>175247576
Deez Nuts


GOT'EM!
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>>175247535
>bellion
>The faggot who got 2 Orochi Agitos and Elysion in ep2
Color me surprised
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Reminder you are 310x more likely to get a 13* drop than a 14*
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>>175248353
Put your calculator away anon, it's all completely random in this game.
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>>175247934
Well Atari IDs are a thing still
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>>175248469
Ok sure but it's a concrete fact from looking at the quest record that that's how many more 13* drop compared to 14*.
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What if sega cherry picked 14*s for players
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>>175248551
I've gone three years of playing this game without ever getting a relevant rare drop, when is it going to be my turn
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I love you neek
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>>175248551
You shouldn't post pictures of Rappies like that
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>>175248747
>I don't do the objectively better thing because I don't like it
Why do people talk this guy up again?
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>>175248807
People are always looking to latch on to something
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>>175248807
Because he's one of the few players who posts fast clears on youtube regularly while also speaking english
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>>175248747
>>175248807
>I don't do the objectively better thing because I don't like it
I suddenly have more respect for Neek. You still should stop using automate though.
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>>175249621
I don't like wearing real units instead of lucky rise. I wear the latter because I like it
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Does reserve recovery skill lessens the ko time of pets as well or it just speeds up the health regen of inactive pets?
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>>175248807
>>175249621
To be fair, if you're using gix a lot of the things that would be standard playstyle (ie. not dodging and facetanking, fornis or no fornis because you have automate) you suddenly can't do because you'll shit on your own damage output. As it goes, if you've seen parses of good people who use gix you'll see it's apparent how much of a difference it makes, even if they cant directly facetank or not.
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>>175249924
I would assume just the health regen
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>>175250230
A real shame I missed Gix cause I found the quest to be super boring on the level of Yamato. I did manage to stomach it long enough to get 13* eggs.
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>>175250361
I'm still mad about gix because they added weapon factors late into the sheets' life. You had so little time if you needed to start from scratch to get the factor you wanted.
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>>175250449
I don't know how people managed to run ult amd without going insane. I wasn't around during the Ult Nab or Lilipa days though.
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>>175250361
To be fair if you can get a super affixed zenesis with pot3/cliffard you'll be on par with a gix 20 anyway, just with more hp/pp.
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>>175250724
pot 3 zeinesis is actually weaker then equivalently affixed Gix20
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>>175250230
Too bad that even if you're the best fighter out there using a gix you'll still lose to a good fighter doing fornis lb tanking.
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>>175250901
Not by much at all though.

>>175250909
As a fornis user, I'm pretty confident you wouldn't.
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>>175250971
>As a fornis user, I'm pretty confident you wouldn't.
You absolutely would. Like, it's not even a contest. Every single second spent dodging or blocking is a second that your DPS is 0, not to mention you'll break your taja rotation. With a fornis, you literally never need to do that ever unless it's a massive fuckoff attack.
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>>175250608
I was around for Nab/Lillipa and I still couldn't stomach doing ult amd more than I needed. Collection files sucked all the motivation out of it since in turn drops became less frequent. Admittedly, an entire summer in ult lillipa only got me a single pair of ares WL but it was drops or nothing. That ult amd was a static run vs a free field probably didn't help either.

>>175250971
Depends on the content. I bring gix TDs to mother but Fornis to most other content since you face tank so regularly. Neither Gix nor Fornis is objectively the best in all content.
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>>175251345
Mother is super easy to facetank though? Literally nothing there other than the big meteor/laser attacks will kill you in one hit.
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>>175251345
Ult Amd had just been a free field, I think I would've got Gix weapons.
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>>175251424
You don't ~need~ to facetank on mother. Max pot gix is stronger than fornis and there's so little you should actually ever get hit by.
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>>175251438
>>175251345
Reminder that there is people this autistic right here.
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>>175251579
Except for the 3 other arms that are around, or all of Mother's attacks that she's throwing out in front of her?
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FUCK demise, where's the option to make all scheduled EQs into deus
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>>175251883
the only arm that's any threat is elder arm, rest aren't even remotely a threat.
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>>175252092
Correct, however if you're using gix they can chip damage you down pretty good (especially apprentice) considering you have no means of healing in LB
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>>175252151
If only two attacks are a threat, just watch out for them and it won't be a problem.
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>>175252258
Oh, watch out for them and do what when you see them? Dodge? That's a damage loss right there. Also you kind of ignored my point about how all of Mother's actual attacks are threats unless you're using a fornis build.

Also why are you pretending like there's some massive power difference between fornis and a max gix? They have a 57 attack difference and a ~3.8% potential difference. That's nothing considering the uptime you gain.
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>>175252354
How are all of Mother's attacks a threat?
-Loser arm heavily telegraphs everything
-Double Arm can't do anything to you since you're airborne.
-Elder Arm has one single attack that you need to look out for which is why you keep your eyes on it
-Apprentice Arm balls can be annoying but half of your attacks will break them before they hit you since they're aoe and even if you get hit the damage is pathetic.
-I seriously hope you're not actually being hit by anything Mother does herself

>They have a 57 attack difference and a ~3.8% potential difference.
I didn't realize that the difference between 14% and 20% was 3.8 and not actually 6. The base atk adds another 1-2% since TDs are a low base atk weapon. Needing to dodge 1-3 times per arm phase and for one single attack in the final phase is not going to hurt enough that all of your attacks doing 7-8% more damage isn't better than fornis.
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>>175252665
So do you just not remember that there's an entire phase after you destroy all the arms or something? Or are you just ignoring it because it doesn't work with your point?

Also I am counting phrase weak into the fornis potential because lets be honest, the vast majority of people with gix daggers have already affixed them before fornis came out.
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>>175252665
>what is the outward laser spam
>what are grav comets
>what are floor explosions

Did you ever play mother?
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>>175252741
And a lot of people re-affixed them afterwards. Regardless, if there's a point you need to dodge with gix, chances are unless you have izane with astral and possibly stamina affixed all around (or deband toughness, and sometimes even with if no izane/astral/stam), it'll still kill you outright with fornis, so you'd have to dodge or die regardless.
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>>175253268
Nah. I use austere+union and very little in mother can kill me in one hit. If I have deband up, nothing can.
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>>175252741
>Or are you just ignoring it because it doesn't work with your point?
>Needing to dodge 1-3 times per arm phase and for one single attack in the final phase
That's what I was talking about at the end there. You already have to chase Mother around when she repositions so you can use Wild Rhapsody - 0 to gap close + block the claw swipe. The only thing you really have to dodge is that aoe she does in the center with lasers.

While I see where you're coming from about phrase weak, I think it's a bit unfair to assume it doesn't exist outside fornis. Gix wasn't dethroned by Zeinesis and phrase weak is worth reaffixing for. I don't mean to come off as aggressive if you're reading it that way, I just disagree with you.

>>175253115
The laser spam you have to dodge, yes. The small amount of time you spend dodging is more than made up by how much more damage Gix does. The rest don't matter because you're up in the air away from them, the hitbox on Mother chest core is pretty high up in the air, it goes up to her head. Why would you be on the floor while using TDs?
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It's time for the Gikusu meme to end
You're never going to sustain maximum power on it
Its initial 6% state is the only state realistically worth comparing
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>>175253378
some people can anon, as hard as it may be to believe.
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I don't know why you two retards are fighting over shit weapons when Zeinesis/Qliphad exist. Move on senpais.
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>>175253378
It even have the color of sour grapes in the color palette, just for you.
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>>175253407
Gix is still stronger than Zeinesis though
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>>175253378
You definitely can, especially with the melee weapons. It just involves a lot of dodging and blocking, which is the main problem.
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>>175253407
Coincidentally, the only two weapons where Gix is still a disputable king are sword and twin daggers (or knuckles or wired lance if your IGNs are Neek and U.D)
So we have every right to argue
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>>175253485
>weapons nobody cares about
gee whiz
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Zein/Qliph are better, simply because it doubles your PP, you can switch and get hit all you want

Also some rumor about deus cutscenes messing with gix pot timer, someone confirm this now
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Remove cutscenes
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>>175253572
but more PP is the last thing Fi needs, and
>getting hit
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Remove bouncers
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add attacks that unequip your weapons
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>>175253572
No one sane will use Gix in all content. If you look at the start of the reply chain, it started because someone said Fornis was better than Gix in every way which is simply not true. You don't really need to switch weapons in certain content, on Mother you just use pure TDs until cube phase. It's not like Fi needs to switch to orbit thanks to crazy heart.
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>>175253703
>In denial
Stay restrained then, loser
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ITT: NEETs who can't accept their Gix hours were a waste get butthurt at alternative options.
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not an argument
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>>175254045
ITT: people refuse to believe you can go more than 5 seconds without needing to chug mates and trying to act superior over people who can
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>>175254110
Melee fags are the trash killing this game.
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>>175253703
>more PP is the last thing Fi needs
How does the class with some of the best PP regen in the game and some of the best ways to burn PP quickly for DPS not benefit from more PP? Aside from Fo and Bow, Fi is probably the class that benefits the most from extra PP.
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>>175253804
>Gix Daggers
>Cubes #1
>Switch to Gix Knuckles
>Lose 14% damage
Oh nice
>Gix Daggers on Deus Hunar
>Switching to either use DS or Knuckles on the road(Where more PP is always welcomed especially for Izane set users) miss out on that % for not using Zein/Qliph
>All the other switching you do after reaching top and cutscenes being fucking retarded
I totally do not appreciate maining Gix
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ITT: Zeinesis stole my girlfriend
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>>175253804
No one sane will use Gix in any content.
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What units/set should I use for R-atk?
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>>175254045
Why is Austere BTFO a meme when it took a full year but Gix BTFO isn't when it lasted only like two weeks
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>>175254208
But you just answered yourself; it's precisely because Fighter has some of the best PP regen ingame that it does not need more PP. I mean sure it's comfortable but I sincerely doubt a Fi with 190PP would drastically outperform a Fi with 175PP.

>>175254307
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mtM7hpQOzJ8
Then again you probably have to be insane to run solo PD for nearly 3 months
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>>175254389
These fags decide when and how something is BTFO, people shit all over austere units being lame on release and then bandwagon'd they BTFO Saiki, then they moved to Izane and Austere was BTFO. Shit memes shit players shit game.
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>>175254464
That's 1 more heartless impact to get to the other side and 14% more if he decides to switch to DS for a TAJAd Chaos Riser or 2
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>>175254464
Just because it has some of the best pp regen does not mean that having more pp available for burst isn't a bad thing.
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>>175254216
It's been repeated multiple times that you wouldn't use Gix 100% of the time. This all started because people said gix was NEVER good any more.
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>>175254556
My Fi almost breaks 200pp with drink and there's very few times I actually run out thanks to TAJA cost reduction unless I'm doing BHS with knuckles.
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Gix was never good you fucking idiots
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>>175254553
Correct. I guess I should've made it clear that the only Gix I use on Fi was twin daggers in SOME content, but I use Fornis Daggers, Austere DS and Astra Knuckles on LB for insane regen. Despite that, the loss of one PA in a minority of cases is not a dealbreaker for me, as indicated by >>175254708 but I'll probably switch to Zeinesis DS and Knuckles after I fuse units and other class weapons.
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>>175254708
mine hits 192 with large pp drink (thanks izane), I feel like an extra 30 or so would be ideal.
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>>175254708
Why would you be using PP drink
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>>175255505
PA sub effect is 10% non premium & 15 with
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>>175255505
pa damage up is 10% damage up, vs shifta drinks flat status boost.
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>>175255505
10% PA damage up / + 20PP
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>>175255219
On the off chance you didn't know, quick march is much more PP efficient than Wild Rhapsody is. That might be why you feel so constrained if you use WR a lot.
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>>175255569
Top notch pso2g information right here.
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>>175255603
They have the same pp cost if you have a max craft.
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>>175255701
Same PP cost but Quick March animation is longer so you spend PP slower while doing the same damage.
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>>175255778
http://pso2.swiki.jp/index.php?フォトンアーツ%2Fツインダガー系#o1d6ff86
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>>175254307
Stop using that picture in your meme posts please. It's a good head accessory.
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>>175255892
I don't know what you're trying to point out here. Quick March lasts longer but uses the same PP for similar dps, hence it is more PP efficient.
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gix tech weapons where a mistake
I miss at least 6% damage on my fomelgion because of this cuck pot
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D-dead gaem?
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>>175256342
It wasn't a set meant for every class. That's why the factors being specific to a single atk type piss me off. I didn't farm any t-atk gix weapons because they were bad but now I'm essentially locked from sentence technique or w/e forever.
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>>175256342
Gix fire rod is real nice in TD
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>>175240590
Patty is the only elf I would breed with

Besides her and Tea all other newmens need to be gassed Echo first of course
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>>175256557
Why?
Light does everything better and not all the dorks are weak to fire.
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>>175256850
You can literally rafoie spam to carry TD, with no real need to switch with a good PP pool. I have both a light and fire Gix rod though.
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>>175256850
Not everything is weak to light either assuming we're talking TDVR. The god techs of TD are Rafoie and Fomelgion anyway
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>>175257053
>>175256952
How is rafoie so good?
you can kill goldies 10x faster with ragrants or gigrants.
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>>175256189
The difference is so miniscule it doesn't really make a visible difference, and I find quick march is mostly detrimental to use on a lot of targets repeatedly because the height change moves you out of range for orchestra to actually connect with any hits. Wild rhapsody allows for much easier repositioning compared to quick march or spin dodge (since that will drop your taja when the enemy has only moved a tad), and keeps you on the vertical positioning meaning you can cycle more efficiently instead of having to drop height to be able to reconnect with orchestra with quick march.
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>>175257247
In old TDs, it's cheap and with a gix pretty much over powers most things.

In TDVR, you can literally cross-map 2rafoie so much shit without even trying, especially things that are moving, they'll walk into it's lingering hitbox. Ragrants is still good, but Rafoie is also pretty irreplacabe.

They're two techs for two different purposes, they aren't meant to replace each other.
>>
tower defense virtual reality
twin dagger vr
vr tiddies
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>>175257317
It's mainly for bosses like Mother that let you Quick March 4-5 times before needing to Fall Nocturne to drop height (which all connect).
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>4 fuses
Feelsgoodman
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>>175258406
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>>175257362

>In TDVR, you can literally cross-map 2rafoie so much shit without even trying, especially things that are moving, they'll walk into it's lingering hitbox. Ragrants is still good, but Rafoie is also pretty irreplacabe.

rafoie has a lingering hitbox? what? also you cant even see enemies on the other side of the map so youre shooting blind
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>>175258589
Often when I TPS goldies, another one will run right into the fire and it'll tag his core doing a good 60k+
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>>175242520
>>175242998
>>175243117
Tsumiki's units are like 145 / 9 , it's not like he's a leech. Yeah sure i wish it were me with the drops but whatever
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>>175259815
Units don't mean jack unless he does good damage with them (he doesn't)
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>>175259815
There was a parse posted in the thread just last week showing him at the bottom in ult admu. He plays katana braver.
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>>175260158
>parsing a mobbing quest
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>>175260158
He mains ranger attack though, he was probably braver for main class bonus or something

during boost week when i was trying to get deadlist wand and arm I saw him play like 6 different classes.

>>175260315
DPS kinda matters when youre on the clock with boosts. shaving off a few minutes every run can lead to another run without needing to pop another boost
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>>175260315
I think it's retarded too but it's still pretty bad if you play a mobbing class and bottom parse in a mobbing quest
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>>175260315
>doing the worst in a quest specifically tailored to your class
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Found it, Fighter apparently. It's in line with how he usually performs. I just sort of assumed since he was using katana last time I saw him around that time period.
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>>175260625
>Japanese player carries 10 gaijins
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>>175260625
I thought they could find who you were if they check server logs if you black out your name?
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>>175260726
Not my parse, what do I care. The guy who originally posted it screwed up by posting it the first time.
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>>175260726
If they wanted to badly enough, they probably could. This is evidenced by the bans around ep2 time that used to go out.
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>>175260708
That's not a japanese player.
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Does anyone know where i can pre order the grey AIS model kit?
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Did mommy die at the end of the ep?
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>>175260625
>parsing yourself with milranduil
>get outparsed by this much
Uninstall
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Satellite cannon needs more range.
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>>175263180
I don't get why i t doesn't have infinite range, it's firing from a fucking satellite, afterall.
>>
You're all fucking stupid and bad at this game
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>>175256724
ill affix your soul onto my adaman
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>>175263359
Affix ur mouth on my willy u little gayboi elf
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>>175263626
FUCK OFF ZEXT
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>>175263797
u cant run from my wiggly weiner
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Are special factors 100% transferred always or just the first time it's done?
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>>175263174
>>175260794
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>finally decide to get premium
>spend hours decorating my room
>nobody ever visits
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>>175263797
We will double team you effeminate elf
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>>175264789
wat ship
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>>175264789
5m for a 30 min erp session
>>
>>175262726
Should be anywhere that sells plamo
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>>175256724
But you would end up repopulating the newmen anyway just with a more limited gen pool

depends if you fuck Tea too but there would be a lot of initial incest
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>>175265089
4
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10/10 on style but 2/10 on gameplay?
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>>175265338
Do people actually pay that much for textfucking?
I might need to get on that
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>>175264619
You can affix a weapon's own special factor to itself at 100% all the time

If the factor weapon is fodder it'll also be 100% but it will get consumed like anything else

Both cases are still subject to upslot penalty though
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I want to affix 4 zeneisis weapons but I don't have a ton of money, what would be a good affix to put on them? I probably have 80m at most to spend on all 4
>>
>>175267134
Just do something basic, with the 3rd latent they become better than your usual all-in affix would be with just 4 slots or so.
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>>175267134
ult soul - stat iv - mod - flict -
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>>175267420
>>175267448
I want to do something a little better than that though, seems like such a waste to go for bare minimum with a potential that doubles affixes
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>>175267753
>80m not 8m
oops

ult soul - stat iv - mod - flict - ability - elegant?
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>>175267753
honestly, how well you can do depends on what kind of factors you have lying around. astral soul is a prime example. the higher slot you go, the more prudent it is to use the astral soul factor. 5-6s? dont bother. 7s+? do bother. phrase weak, sentence x, noble/elegant y, stat5, etc.
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>>175264789
Spend a couple hundred millions crafting good timed installs, reap the benefits for months after.
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Been too long since I played this. I really missed Pso2.
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>>175267986
I only have 2 Astral, 3 if I can get my hands on one of the pvp upgrade things or another ray ds. I'm pretty sure I have at least 4 phrase weak fodders but I think that's about it for factors because I didn't start seriously working for them until recently
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>>175269189
you're pretty edgy
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Qunachan!
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fug
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>>175270317
>using the machine
waw
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>>175270390
machine
what
what happened
what did he do
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>>175270046
It's just my alter phase.

Now wait a minute I'm having heavy deja vu here
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>>175270609
For some reason there are machines for fun/ac scratch in the shop area
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>>175270209
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>>175270209
I want to qill quna
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>>175271294
Oh, right, of course. I knew about those. I thought he pulled that out of his visiphone rewards for some reason.

You know if you use those it'll actually announce the prizes to anyone nearby
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>>175269465
Oh and of course I'll have the factor for zeneisis, whatever it is

How much are elegant boosters? I'm assuming more than one would put me over my budget
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>do late as fuck deus with at the literal last minute
>get yet another zenesis arm and leg drop
>still no rappy pet
I SWEAR TO FUCKING I WILL PAY TO THE COLLECTIVE AUTISM GODS AND PLAY AS SUMMONER ONLY IN THIS FUCKING EQ FOR THIS GODDAMNED EGG.REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
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>>175271636
no one cares
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>>175271636
do I know you
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>>175271636
autism
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>>175271636
Thanks for posting this, I'm sure to get the rappy pet this EQ
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>>175271636
Why did you hide your cute face before?
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>>175271946
no

>>175272024
YES I WILL CHANNEL ALL OF MY AUTISM INTO GETTING THIS FUCKING PET

>>175272086
Good luck

>>175272204
Because i liked being a masked little girl my face looks ugly
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>>175248551
Dat Rappy.
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>>175272523
feel free to stop avatarfagging any time you like
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>>175273010
report, filter, and ignore retard
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>>175272523
Is this

A

motherfucking

persona homage?
>>
>replying to yourself
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>>175273010
Do you not know what avatar fagging is? or do you just shitpost to shitpost?
>>
>>175264789
You realize room passes can be bought for like 2 excuses, right?
>>
No goldenweek revival scratch?
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>>175273947
There definitely is one, but I think it starts on may 1st
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still no drops, when is luck
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>>175275571
>1 fuse
>no 12* units
boost week my fucking ass
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>>175275571
>>
>Complains about not getting the 13* drop they want after only two weeks
You don't know anything close to suffering
>>
Shine Red or Shine Blue on Gu?
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>>175275571
>>175275775
>>175275969
stop avatarfagging, fuck
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>>175276274
Red, you don't need more PP.
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>>175276274
Red

>>175276278
Make us pussy
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>>175275969
>>175275775
>>175275571
since when did pso2g have qts
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Cute Xiera is cute
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About time
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>sniping jp trigger parties
>join another yamato party
> friendship icon
> jp player i met in tdvr a few days ago
>"jpAnon!!"
>"gaijinAnon!"
>"wwww"
>"wwwww"
>talk about golden week vacation plans etc

you know ive had this experience a few times meeting some nice native english speakers and its a good feeling considering I don't play many cooperative online games anymore but its like a whole different level when its someone from japan whom are usually quiet and tolerant of the non-jp crowd. When you meet nice people in this game it sticks with you

/blog over
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>>175276706
Are you imagining things
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>>175260625
DELETE THIS
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>>175282553
>When you meet nice people in this game
>nice people
>this game
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>>175282641
I would dick all 3 of them
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>>175260625
KermitPls
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>>175253804
you wouldn't believe the amount of DS fighters that outparse twin dagger fighters in mother
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>>175279910
2cute
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>>175239626
its
complete
garbage
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>>175282553
I remember a JP and I talking to each other via google translate every now and then, sometimes to party up with their friends as well.They were some good times.
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Already made 30m in the first 3hours of GW boost yamato triggers, are you winning anons?
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>>175288651
What's this stuff about yamato trigger run?
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>>175289201
Yamato Factors cost a shit ton right now because the only way to get them is from triggers
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>>175253485
>Coincidentally, the only two weapons where Gix is still a disputable king are sword and twin daggers (or knuckles or wired lance)
Oh good, I was wavering on whether I should stop using Gix or not to farm for the new shit, but if those are still better, good.
Not interested in farming for sidegrades.
>>
>>175289341
Factor?
You mean his soul?
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>>175290145
No, there's an affix from the ep4 bosses called factors. +10 atk for two types, +20 for the third type, +1PP and +20 HP. Mother, Deus Esca and Yamato all drop a different one with a corresponding atk focus. Besides using it for the actual affix, there's a new affix that's similar to astral soul called Ether Factor which needs all three factors. Since Yamato is almost never scheduled any more, its factor is worth a lot right now.
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>>175290527
Ah I see. Thanks for the heads up.
>>
Can someone explain how class boosts work? Could I get the hunter boost on two characters with hunter at 75, or just one?
>>
>>175294831
It's account wide so even a new character will have the stats.
>>
>need 6 Zeinesis rods and 6 talises to cover all elements
>need 6 copies of each to get Sentence Triple on one, requiring completing 36 file sets total
>need 120 fuses for each of the 12 final weapons for their ultimate potential, a total of 1440 fuses
> get an average of 2 fuses from each Deus EQ, requiring 720(!) total Deus runs
How the fuck do forces deal with these files?
>>
>ais model is 4.3 freedom units tall

aw man. Well, $70 for something else i guess.
>>
>>175296169
It's almost like some of this games newer ideas weren't thought out very well or something.

Like needing NT when affixing is far more of a pain in the ass than just grinding OTs.
>>
>>175296518
>freedom units

inches? feet? miles? acres?
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>>175297007
inches
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Phaleg will resist weapons like Anga? Is it true?

gg bravers
>>
tfw i think my character is perfect but no one agrees
>>
>>175298851
post her/him
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>>175298536
time for gunslash bois
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>>175296169
You could just get the 14 star rod you shitter.
>>
>>175288651
Are the Yama trigs already used?
>>
>>175296169
They don't. I've seen people still using Ares for the less popular elements.
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For what purpose
>>
>tfw my PC died
How is the PS4 version? i wanna continue to play this until repair my PC
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>>175297123
>>175296518
Manlets when will they learn
>>
>>175305902

it's fine. you can hook up kbm to it too. just realize you cant turn off blur.
>>
>>175308451
Motion blur? but you can.
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Are there any masks similar to pic related?
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>>175309531

oh you can? thank god.
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Is there anything official on whether it's spelled Zephyros or Zephiroth? The latter would make more sense because of the Abrahamic connection.
>>
>>175296169
>upgrade light weapon
>turn old light weapon into fire
>turn old fire weapon into whatever and so on
That`s how I roll.
>>
>>175298536
Where did you get that info from?
>>
>>175316492
pso2.jp
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>>175316492
We don't know if it will work like Anga, all we know is that apparently Phaleg will resist commonly used weapons/elements.
>>
>>175317923
>>175298536
bravers get FUCKED
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>tfw pso2 still doesn't have smooth and proper curves
(´・ω・`)
>>
>>175320927
>uses katana *resists*
>switch to bow *resists*
>switches to gunslash *resists*

oh boy can't wait for fun times

>>175320991

you look good enough to me babe!
>>
does the 5% boost affix start tonight?
>>
>>175321702
yes
>>
>>175321702
no
>>
>>175321702
maybe
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I love my wife Xiera
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>>175322531
I want to take her on a date!
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>>175323104
You can't have Ship2's Xiera cause she is mine

But Ship4's Xiera is available
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>"""""""boost week"""""""
>still 1 fuse per run
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>>175323402
I got 2 and a unit drop.
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>>175323514
>>
>Still no rappy egg
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>>175323812
it's shit, it says kyu kyu not pi pi

it's SHIIIIIIT!!!
>>
>>175323950
I don't care I still want it
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>>175323402
Didn't know you could get under 3 desu
>>
dedgame
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>try to do Deus as Su/Gu with melon and maron degeneracy
>try to attack and get charge at the same time
>either i get the charge and fuckers blow up before i can do CT > Strike or people kill the snake heads too fast for me to get the raccoons to get hit by them or they take too long to down deus
>parse the lowest due to this
>people ask why
>i explain to them the reasons as to why for this
>"Hurr Durr Git gooder faggot, you could better damage if you were gooder"
>mfw

alright i need one of you Su-fags to give me an idea to work with this shit. Because i have no clue and people are being faggots about this
>>
>>175325059
Use viola
>>
>>175325059
don't sugu deus?
>>
>>175325059
lamo get good faggot
>>
>>175326214
>using viola

i know it got buffed but come on anon
>>
>>175326553
My team MPAs wont allow anything that aint SU/Gu in terms of summoner and i actually kinda want that new pet thats a drop as well
>>
>>175326648
>Viola
>buffed
wat
>>
>>175326742
your team is shit.
>>
>>175325059
ive tried my hardest to get melon to work in any capacity, he's actually completely unusuable and does nothing that can't be done better by another pet. just go su/fi for 999k marons and spirals without dealing with ct
>>175326742
your team is actually retarded if they mandate su/gu on deus
>>
>>175326742
Sounds like a garbage team lmao
which is it?
>>
>>175327074
Are there any times where melon is viable? i actually want use all the pets. Hell, they buffed viola and shinkurou(i think)
>>
>>175327074
>>175327231
Forgot to add on that melon seemed okay on paper for deus as Su/Gu due to it being throwable more than once and the 100-300k+ plus hits could add up
>>
>>175326880

they buffed synchro and viola a few weeks ago? it was as footnote tho. i think they made it so that staying in viola's buffed form wasnt booty.

>>175326742
your team is actual shit. i suggest leave.
>>
>>175326742
>night cucks
Sub fighter and tell them to fuck off.
>>
>>175325059
Hurr Durr Git gooder faggot, you could better damage if you were gooder
*Dies and gets screencapped for the general to repost endlessly*
>>
>>175327569
His name is Shinkuro
>>
EP2 Flame DS is back bayybee
https://youtu.be/SR9HqtI_Dcs
>>
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Is this meant to be a joke or something?
>>
>>175329006
>english cucks trying to adapt to a jp game via fan translations
>>
>>175329006
The only joke is the shitty machine translation
>>
>>175328936
>use 14star ds
>have all tornados up during the last seconds of the boss fight
>death animation and cutscene
>the crystal breaks
>"who did it?"
>Not me
AYYYYYYYYYYYYY
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>>175329006
top fucking kek my sides
>>
Any info on the 14* wand? It looks like shit with its low S-atk unless you are one of those people who unironically play Te/Fo.
>>
>>175325059
You would know how to get by if you were gud tho
>>
>>175325059
>Playing Su
get good retard
>>
>>175329006
jesus fuck man clear your status bar once in a while.
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>>175330518
>>
>>175330518
whitecat a qt
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>>175331840
whats the face underneath that helmet look like?
>>
>>175331619
I want to FUCK whitecat
>>
>>175332898
babbyface
>>
Anyone on ship 2 want to exit burst? 2/4 block 42
>>
>>175334819
I'd rather yolo burst. exit bursting is boring.
>>
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>>175332898
It's Lamia face that's also using a black gauze mask to cover the mouth area.
>>
>>175335846
The actual face i mean. There HAS to be one there somewhere.
>>
>>175336143
If my old drive didn't die, I could grab it. Someone posted it a long ass time ago and I'm not going to dig for it. I'm not going to change from what I have now.
>>
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>>175320991
hug? (´・ω・`)
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>>175336380
you could just remove the lamia face while in the este to show the actual face.
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>>175336380
FINE!
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>>175336535
I already hugged you.
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>>175336535
wear a better outfit
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>>175336605
Σ( ゜◇゜ )when?
>>175336747
no!
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>>175336535
why are hug rappies becoming extinct
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>>175336541
Anon, you don't understand. I'm being a stubborn shit and refusing to change from Lamia face for even a second.
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>>175337068
Using a different char though (´°ω°`)

Still counts.
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>>175334819
Still looking for two more.
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If you purchase 2000+ AC during the campaign period, you will receive (1) and (2). However, if you purchase 10,000+ AC, you’ll receive all four prizes! Please be sure to login with a character on your account.

※ Purchasing [AC] or [iAC] from PSO2es will not count towards the campaign.


Does anyone know more about this and why Sega decided to make this change?

Do they not want foreigners to spend money on their game?
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HuFi or HuSu? What gets more damages?
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>>175339407
HuFi.
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>>175339397
Time to throw your dollars at webmoney resellers
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Remember when Aida stole 20k?
Pepperidge Farm remembers.
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>>175339554
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>>175339554
>other dude mysteriously opens a webmoney service as soon as that blew up

>he apparently was the dude in japan
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>>175340180

AIDA said nothing to prove his innocence and instead felt personal insults were far more important. I feel thats more pathetic than pretending to be a girl on the internet and scamming 200 fat ones.
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>>175340503
>trusting aids
>not using pso2es
>probably from SEA
>likely from aids discord
ok anon
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>>175340656
Dude you gotta make all kinds of reading comprehension gains
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>>175340779
>>175339554
is this real?
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>>175340886

https://pso-hack.com/index.php?topic=2177.0

its been silenced on PSOW and the PSO2 Reddit. This was the only place that didn't remove the information as it's not in anyway related to arks-layer.
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>>175340934
>pso-hack
ok, now i know you're making shit up
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>>175340995

If you want to believe so. The posts are a year old. You wont find it on pso-world or any other community that arkslayer has its hands in, its incriminating against them. Arks Layer sheeple are worth many a kek.
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>>175341113
considering they work with aids, i find it hardly unlikely it's even true.

they don't sell shit anymore, but this community is shit so it's ok
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>>175340995

im not op. dont shoot messanger
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>>175341187

ur autism is powerful. If you look at the dates, this happend last year. They aren't selling shit anymore because there's no money and no one trusts aida enough to give (insert whatever gender identity it goes by today) anymore.
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>>175341285
>ur autism is powerful. If you look at the dates, this happend last year.
>they don't sell shit anymore, but this community is shit so it's ok
>pso-hack

as a trainer user, can confirm that they don't sell webmoney
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>>175341534
i'm pretty sure what he was saying was:
the aida debacle happened last year. pso-hack archived the drama that occured on pso-w and was swiftly deleted shortly after surfacing (i personally do remember that happening).
arks-layer doesn't sell shit anymore because of this. you don't find information on any of this on pso-w or any other site arks-layer staff is highly regarded in for obvious reasons.
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>>175341534
I want Sukuna-hime to be my Mother
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>>175341861
Speaking of arks layer. Anyone else take notice of the timing of when their new proxy went up and suddenly stolen accounts?

Consider the following:

2 members of theirs are known hackers of the nugz/broomop club

User info and password go through their proxy before hitting sega server.

They have a history of not being trustable
>>
OTORE OTORE
>>175342260
>broomop
kek is he still alive?
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>>175334819
You should be doing exit bursts on Vita blocks because PSE Bursts last 90 seconds there as opposed to 60 on the PC blocks.
The trade-off are slightly less and slower spawns but it's still the more efficient way.
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>>175343516
Yeah, we changed to block 223. Didn't say anything because noone wants to do it right now, thanks for trying to help anyway though.
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>>175342260
>broomop
That cunt is still around?
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>>175345316
old habits die hard I guess. That dude never did get the attention he wanted from sega I guess.

Now that gaming is shit and he has to compete with india and china it's obvious.
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>>175343873
i'll join if you're planning to do more runs.
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>>175345946
You can but we need 1 more person, asking some other people right now.
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>>175346527
we are 2 people actually, could merge parties unless you already asked someone
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>>175346587
Oh, thats great then. Lets go to block 223 right now then.
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are partizan type 0s any good?
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>>175347895
Sacred Skewer-0 is a staple in modern Volg combos. Rising Flag is ok, nothing that special but it's an upgrade.
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>public trigger announced
>it's TD4
For what purpose would you buy this
>>
>>175348195
Might have had it left over from when more relevant files were active, although you can still fill A.I.S. Exoda from the Orbit files in there too.
>>
>>175348195
Drops 14*
>>
>>175348610
but not for you
>>
Is there literally anything I can do with scrap 13*s except trash them right now
Can i sell them to some NPC for 10k or anything?
ANYTHING AT ALL?
>>
>>175349798
You can feed them as ele fodder when you need that extra boost. I used a Weedle Park-NT to turn my 59 ele zenesis rod to 60.
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>Enju still thinks Luna is his
What a cuck
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>>175351132
(You)
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>>175341936
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>>175341861
I, too, remember it well. Thank god I never bought from Arks Layer. Tweaker can suck my big fat Rappy dick.
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>>175351940
Tamahime mag best mag
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>>175351132
I'd be all enjus desu
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What's the most OP class or build?

I went Gu/Fi because I was fucking bored. I need a change of pace
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more accessory slots when?
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This is just like my grail war anime!
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>>175353976
Is Aru GAR for Archer?
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>>175353976
>Excuse me miss but wheres the toilet
>>
Do you keep your affixes and grind level when exchanging units with Zieg?
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>>175355039
austere: no
union/cliffard: yes
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>>175353976
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>2010 + 7
>There are still people who don't Fast Talis throw + Gimegid or Ilbarta God when he is being a faggot away from platform.
Enjoy your bottom parses and failed runs melee cucks.
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>>175356240
What if melee consistently tops parse? I see it all the time, almost no fo/te parse it top.
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>>175356240
That's not even the best dps for the situation though
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>>175356332
Then either:
Fo/Te is really bad and should probably play something else/get better gear.
Melee is actually decent and gets to soak up all the damage from a slacking MPA.
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>>175356416
You aren't going to beat a good Fi on Deus Esca.
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>>175355890
>MY OWN CLONE!
>>
>even OH stopped doing this shit eq

LMAO
>>
>>175356240
What do I do when I have no pp for when his core is down?
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>>175357005
Smack it a couple times with an Astra rod.
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>>175357005
Use compound tech
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>>175357005
Use zanverse you fuck
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>>175348195
About the only fun content in the game?
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>>175357005
Did you know that basic attacks actually restore PP upon hitting a target? Try it out! It's an advanced technique that not many people know about, so if you master this trick, you'll be a step ahead of leeches! Good luck!
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>>175357372
>>175358363
but im losing dps
>>175357534
but i used it before
>>175357612
but the techer is zanversing
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Why do so many people prefer Talis for dark over Rod?
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>>175358739
Gimegid
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>>175358363
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>>175358769
Why would you prefer to cast that from a talis though? It doesn't matter where you cast it from as it materializes on the enemy.
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>>175358739
>>175358879
Because they said milranduil and ponthi do it
>>
Which fighter weapon should I get to Qliphad first?
Currently using gix DS, fornis TD, and astra knux.
>>
is 5% affix boost up?

Also did they update drop records when boost week started? Theres less than 20 of each gix weapon in ultimate that has dropped/
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>>175358879
Gimegid has a retardedly short range, so if you're far from the enemy (like when Deus sits away from the platform) you can't hit them unless you throw a talis to close the gap.
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>>175358996
Probably the double sabre, but I think your setup is still pretty good

>>175358726
Being out of PP is losing DPS you fuckwit, clearly the solution is to affix another 50pp
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>>175358956
I was worried it could be something like that. I'm not satisfied unless I know ~why~ you do something rather than just being told it's good.

>>175359045
Ah, that makes sense. Fomelgion scales slightly more off of dark than it does fire so I thought about giving my next +35 talis to fire (I have a Union Fire rod already) and rod to Dark but if that's the case I'll put Dark on the talis.. Thank you.
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Do qliphad weapons keep the grind value of the zeinesis you trade in, or do you need six (6!) Copies of a qliphad to +35 it?
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>>175360193
grind value is kept
It's the same as Ray->Union, how come none of you read
>>
>>175360448
>/pso2g/
>doing their own reading
how can you expect "people" who fail deus to read?
>>
>9 out of 12 people aren't in a party
>nobody signs up at party maker
I don't understand. Don't they realize that they have to put in 40% more effort and time to get what they want if they don't join a party?
>>
What parfaits do I give jinga?
>>
:)
https://youtu.be/ch5cOYHix_c
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>>175363029
チョコレートパフェ
>>
What date does the Deus rematch come out?
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>>175362495
People don't care, because it makes a minimal difference all things considered. There's basically nothing that has the party bonus put you over a CF threshold that other boosters can't do.
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>>175363936
Next week
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My favorite part of 12* units is how you get punished for doing good affixes because once it's time to replace it, you have a worthless paperweight you can't sell.

>>175363962
250 RDR + 100% tri gives you around 24.95% on deus esca. Easiest way to push it over is be in a party.
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Should I max fury critical on RA/HU?
>>
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>>175364328
You don't put any points into it, ranger doesn't care about crits.
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>>175364328
gmcustom says you should
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>>175365013
But OH are leechers
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>dudu boost in two days
>prices are even lower than average
No one cares about 5% huh
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>>175365471
In an age where factors exist and astral/returner/ether are only worth doing with 10% affix success up, nope
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>>175365664
Go big or just uninstall
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>>175365013
Kotori is a massive cuck anyway. Cucked by Ishya, cucked by Arie, cucked by ChinaSue, cucked by Koishi, cucked by Nhite.
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>>175364110
I use installs instead.
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>>175365738
Alright then have fun with your 44% over 80% overall success
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>>175365664
I can remember at least one... 6s? That you can get to 99% with 5% boost week but that doesn't really set the pace for the whole market.
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>>175359235
Friendly neighborhood duck mage here, the main reason you gimegid from a talis is the added range like >>175359045 said, it also helps namegid get the same range bonus while letting you have more freedom to move around, in general gimegid will be your main go to dps move however with highly active targets you'll likely do more with namegid, of course during burst moments you'll combo and gimegid if you don't have combo for whatever reason. For the record, with decent crafts a namegid does about as much as 10-11 hits of gimegid, so only 3-4 consecutive casts will pass it in dps with the only real question being how well you can get those hits off in the charge time of a namegid
>>
Viewer: Why does pso2g hate you?
Gmcustom: Because they hate people that are good at the game?? And i'm good at the game?
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>>175365013
I remember playing with OH, the mpa was almost halted mid-way because the shitflinging was taking over, not long after I moved ship
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>>175366416
Does he stream or something, where can I report him. The man who thinks EPD is garbage shouldn't be allowed to have one.
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When will the samba de amigo music go away.
>>
>>175366648
next maint. there's no maint this week.
>>
What would the /pso2g/ drinking game be?
everytime someone shitposts?
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>Next 10% affix boost week probably won't be until September since the next web panel is June
>Already low on money
Only offloading your storage during boost week prices is the most painful case of delayed gratification I know.
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>>175366837
It's driving me insane.
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>>175366118
Should I ragrants the snake heads? They move around a lot.
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>>175367248
honestly you're fine with either, they have too low hp to namegid but they seem to have waaay bigger hitboxes than the model suggests and I've had little trouble with gimegiding them
>>
What's the lobby action where you lie down?
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>>175369275
and twitch? it's 86「落ち込む」
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>>175369420
wait no I'm retarded
I meant 114「イチタロー3」
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Did you guys meme me on force? How is this class supposed to do content with lots of elemental weaknesses? My ragrants casts do 24k total on things not weak to light. For that amount of PP I can do over 100k on a melee.
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>>175369887
are you charging ragrants for more than one hit?
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>>175369887
24k total, or 24k/hit? Also you're full of shit.
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>>175370182
>>175370207
I picked Te/Fo instead of Fo/te. They still only do 30k total. This is on mobs that are ~not~ weak to light.

>>175370207
How am I full of shit? A single chaos riser easily clears 100k.
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>>175370572
now do that chaos riser with no gear.
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>>175370882
Why would you chaos riser with no gear? You generate gear for free with ds ring and just having 2-3 mobs around you lets you spam riser.
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what drink should I grab as Fo?
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>>175371426
You want weak hit drink bonus
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>>175237407
Appearently the English release is next month

WHO ELSE HYPED!
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>>175371729
source you subhuman piece of filth
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>>175365013
I don't get this. If you want to be an elitist, make an elitist team. If you want to play in leisure, make a leisure team. There is nothing wrong with choosing either. NEVER MIX.
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>>175371630
but what drink is that under?
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>>175366648
no you go away

SEGUIMOS CANTANDO
SEGUIMOS BAILANDO
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>>175372075
https://twitter.com/SEGA/status/855544725335556096
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>>175372537
>Yasunori Mitsuda

holy shit
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>>175372183
Random drink
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>tfw no ray rifle for 45% PP cost PA's with PP bullet save and TAJA ring
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>>175371723

>not 8s

fukkin casual dork
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>>175366416
>>175366542
He really hit the nail on the head there lmao. GM telling it like it is.
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>>175374571
Thanks senpai I'll remember for next time, wanted it for the EQ but seems I didn't need it.
Kinda wish they'd rework the point system because I know I didn't do the best
>>
>>175375461
>guy acts retarded and uses his name to spread false info
>durrr they hate me cause im good
>>
>>175369887
>>175370572
Still curious about this. Do you just not get to play Fo if the content has multiple weaknesses? I mean sure you can brute force it but what's the point if you're half as strong as other classes when you can't match element?
>>
>>175375532
To be fair the thread did it today ocks
>>
what are the basic 5/6s affixes for izane units?
>>
>>175375851
*To socks
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>>175375958
If you're going to use Izane you commit to the full survivability meme. 5s with Astral/Flict/Stat4/Spi4/Booster is the common one.
>>
>>175375958
Deadleon soul - Stamina IV - Flict Arma - Power IV - Mod

prepare to be unkill
>>
>>175375532
Yeah, nobody has a problem with him being good (if he is, I've never actually seen him play). It's him saying unimaginably dumb shit that then gets parroted by people who think he's good so he must know what he's talking about.
>>
>>175375992
>>175375851
Did what? To who?
>>
>>175377781
Weren't people in the threads shitting on socks and Neel for being good? I remember regards in here sperging that Neek was posting and uploading webs on to and socks posting of how to clear solo xq2 as Ra and him being Night Arks
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>>175377030
desu i've heard more uninformed bullshit from this general than anywhere else besides maybe the fb group

>>175378307
there's a lot of leech worship in this thread. people always following the exploits of ffixv erpers who don't even play this game at all(or the few hopeless souls from that clique who unfortunately still do play) like they're celebrities or some shit, but there's a lot of hate for superior players. inferiority complexes everywhere, really sad desu. maybe if they actually asked for help, they'd get some advice to get better.

>mfw reading these threads
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>>175378958
>socks
>anything but another standard fotm player
you're a dummy
>>
>>175378958
>desu i've heard more uninformed bullshit from this general than anywhere else besides maybe the fb group
Yeah, there are some dumbasses here. The difference is that they're nameless for the most part. GM is looked up to by some members of the community as being good, which means they think he knows what he's talking about. So when he says uninformed or straight up incorrect bullshit, it's way worse.
>>
>>175377030
never heard of this guy, what does he say?
>>
>>175379164
>doesn't play braver
>doesn't play fighter
>plays techer and force
I don't think you know what fotm is.
>>
>>175378958
>believing everything you read in this general
>believing everything you read on this site
how new are you?
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>>175378958
>mfw people lost their shit in here and in the discord about lilith NA

that was a funny time
>>
>>175380236
The biggest one that people liked to parrot for a while was when he said that EPD was worse than astra talis. He also tried to push for Gu/Hu sroll ifire to return when the tmg stance ring came out.
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You should hug a Braver today.
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>>175380561
i'm literally the only braver i know
>>
>>175380662
what ship?
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>>175380662
You're gonna get hugged.
>>
VHAQ leveling on ship 2 b42 anyone?
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>>175381162
what cap do I need?
>>
>>175381354
A for Urban
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>>175381429
Aight I'll come
>>
>>175381702
Bring a friend if you can
>>
>>175381756
>Bring a friend
I cannot.
>>
How do people force themselves to play Force? Surely no one enjoys this class?
>>
>>175380275
>literally playing sugu
are you alright anon?
>>
>>175380890
2
>>175381056
i'll JG it
>>
>>175383184
>sugu
>fotm
You mean the class combo that 2% of the playerbase used?
>>
>>175382564
I have no one to join either. I guess i
m unlocking featured quests and doing LuQ.

2 peeps ain't gonna make this work.
>>
>>175383219
>2
alright now what block and I'll go hug every braver on that block.
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>>175383069
>force themselves to play Force
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>>175383301
su/gu is the definition of fotm, the general public only started playing it recently after jps posted all those ebin raid boss oneshot videos. braver has always been the most popular class because muh katana folded 1000 times and fi has been gaining numbers ever since ep 3.
>>
>>175383513
B13
>>
>>175383184
>playing
His video was about the last time he used it, and that was a month before the ebin oneshot meme videos.
I see you're talking out of your ass about someone you don't know.

>>175383820
The general public does not play su/gu.
>>
>>175383820
I'm dying for ep4 demographic numbers, I want to see what classes Summoner cannibalized.
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>>175384502
>summoner: 50%
>gunner : 50%
Everyone else is getting banned.
>>
>socks
I hope were not talking about the same one im thinking about right now.
>>
>>175384129
>the amount of bravers on this block
h-have I got you yet?
>>
>>175384606
yes sofa, its the same sicks
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>>175384179
>played with him less than 2 weeks ago
>he was sugu
anon why are you lying on the internet?
>>
>>175384717
Not sofa but goddamn that is literally one of the worst players on ship2 and that's already saying too much.
>>
>>175384825
Nah, lilith was before he got banned
>>
>>175384629
i did not realize there were so many, so let's say you did!
>>
>>175384907
I honestly think socks is worse than him since lilith just had really bad gear, he didn't.
Have you not seen his streams before?
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>>175385180
I hugged about 10-15 bravers so hopefully I got you
>>
>>175385365
i'm so sorry, i should have made more of a distinction
>>
So what's the best way to power level?
>>
>>175385248
>has really bad gear so thats why he was so shit
Care to explain this to me? there were two other people that said that in the threads awhile back but i dont get it. especially since JPs solo''d PD with *1
>>
>>175385483
he's saying that his bad gear wasn't the only problem.
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>>175385248
>socks streams
link?
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>>175385575
what other problems did he have aside from being shit? Laziness, Bad internet connection or somethiing?
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>>175385417
are you saying I didn't get you?
now I look like some kind of braverphile
>>
>>175385892
>now I look like some kind of braverphile
you mean you aren't?
>>
>>175385483
1* weapon but with 200atk units and fully buffed right lol
Let's see you go with a 1*weapon in an mpa, you can't deny that he is literal trash if you know what being decent looks like
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>>175386074
Not that anon but you mean socks?
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>>175385989
perhaps, my favorite person plays braver a lot so..
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>>175386246
it all adds up.........
still, whether or not you got me, i appreciate the thought and effort!
>>
>>175386246
So it was you who hugged my char?
Pretended busy lookin at visiphones. Fucking creep
>>
>ignoring or not knowing lilith improved a lot after he got his shit straight
If only he had improved his social skills as well
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>>175386074
>>175385248
>billions of meseta worth of gear
>literal trash
Your bar must be really high or you're talking about someone else.
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>>175386656
what do you mean by got his shit straight
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>>175386681
This is the night arks soxrocks right? If not then i'll excuse myself
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>>175386389
you had better, a lot of people reacted to it, they'll probably remember me as some sort of creep like
>>175386585
I'm sorry!
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>>175386879
>they'll probably remember me as some sort of creep like
i'm so sorry, i'll move to a smaller block next time
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>>175386681
>he thinks anything over 120atk will make him not a leech
Gear isn't everything anon, you can have 200atk units and neek can beat you the fuck down with his 120atk
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delet hugsluts
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>>175386246
Who's your favorite person, Anon?
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>>175387239
No.
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I seriously don't understand what reason you have to hate some people here. Like socks, neek or literally anyone else
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>>175388014
its the way of 4chan
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requesting some help with this
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>>175388385
たおれよら
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>>175388385
たおれよら
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>>175387040
The only place where a player can beat another is in pvp, and gear doesn't matter there.
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>>175388552
>>175388561

thank you
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>>175386996
>next time
gee better make it soon
>>175387501
It's a secret.
But really I'd never name drop them.
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>tfw portable 2 infinity translation will never be complete
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>running rdr 300, 150 tri, Koltova juice, daily tri 50, party tri, tree rdr, drink rdr, LR units with LV5 earth rdr, Umbla stick with lr2, a pet with lucky crape, karage, and rdr ex 75 from SG scratch
>still no rappy egg
why is this happening to me? Am i trying too hard
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>>175389596
what ship are you on?
I hear that's rather important.
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I kinda miss Blue Burst sometimes
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>>175389803
2, unfortunately
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>>175389103
>gee better make it soon
very well
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>>175389880
>spoiler
>same as me
there is no unfortunately about it.
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is it ironic that the most cowardly class with a 20 seconds of invuln skill is called "braver"
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>>175390410
I thought the majority of this place was ship 4 so i just said that in fears of getting shat and getting to go to reddit if i just said ship 2 normally
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>>175390664
even at peak ship 4 it was 50/50
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>>175390430
>most cowardly class
>you have to be up close in order to JG everything

Fo/Te please go
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>>175390664
The whole ship 2 ship 4 split is ancient even for me, I'm no sure what divided them but plenty of people play on both.
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>>175390834
>you have to be "up close"
>as if that matters when you're invinicble
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>>175390951
>20sec is all you need as a braver to kill a boss

is this a compliment or what
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>>175390834
I hope they remove force in ep5
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>>175391018
all you need to leech while you're carried by damage classes
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>>175391189
>damage classes
>they all die
????????????
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>3 motherships and 2 darker den random EQs before boost week
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>>175391332
why aren't there triggers for these
they could be cheaper than the others or at least base 1 price
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>>175389589
what are you talking about, they're going to release it soon
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>>175391565
soon™
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>>175391565
>soon
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So I haven't played this game in like 2years?
Is it worth to come back?
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>>175393527
No, fuck off and die.
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>>175393527
now would be a good time. theres a boost going on

I came back after about 1.5 years in january. It's gotten better.
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>>175393643
Pretty rude there anon.

>>175393665
Boost to what? I assume exp?
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>>175393901
rare drop rate, rare enemy appearence, exp, meseta
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>>175393989
Pretty nice. What server does /vg/ play on? I'm guessing still ship 2?
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>>175394115
Ship 2 and ship 4. Ship 4 is for the "hardcore players"

There are ups and downs to the market on each ship as well. I'd recommend 2.
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>>175394239
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>>175394239
I had a character on Ship2 but forgot my stupid password for otp.
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>>175394239
no one plays on ship4 that would also play with you. if you want people to play with, you go to 2.
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>>175389825
No you don't.
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>>175394239
I went to shit4 cause I heard shit2 was really bad. Sounds like it is with the awful economy and shit players.
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Best and easy class in game?
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>>175395516
Braver.
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>>175395838
Isn't braver the worst?
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>>175394239
>Ship 4 is for the "hardcore players"
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>>175394239
>Ship 4 is for the "hardcore players"
>>
>make friend partner public
>more uses in a day than in a month with just friends
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>>175356240
>illbarta the core when he is away from platform
we call it namegid and he is out of gimegids reach while namegid isnt
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>>175387040
but but but anooooon being overgeared automatically means being skilled! don't you know that! you can be a perpetual floorlicker who can't into dodge or block who contributes absolutely nothing, but if you have more attack on your gear you're the most skilled faggot in the room!


I wish this wasn't an argument I've actually had someone present me with, completely serious, but it is.
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>>175394239
>Ship 4 is for the "hardcore players"
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>>175396349
Fross is cute.
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>>175395907
its for newfags
in otherwords me
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>see someone with good gear
>h-he's probably some floorlicker that needs gear as a crutch!
>see someone with shit gear
>wow what a leech!
The collective logic of this place is something out of this world.

>>175394239
>Ship 4 is for the "hardcore players"
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>>175393527
i just came back cause a known trip here goes on the discord im on.
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>>175397896
I feel like coming back since I got nothing else to do really. Currently bored and thought maybe I would play this game. Is it dead or a lot of people still play?
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>so many people coming back to this game lately
>ship2 finally getting yellow in EQs
>EP4 nearing the end

I wonder if there's a connection
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>still no units
4 fuse though
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So Deus doesn't count as a Darker even if he's light-weak.
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3days or 3hours?
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>see level 80 guy with awesome gear
>invite him to party
>he afks for the whole EQ
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>>175400968
Hours
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This guy was fo/gu.

How did he manage to get his ilbartas to hit for 999k on a boss that has no ice weakness?
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>>175400632
uhhh
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>>175401420
partying with other gu
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>>175401420
chain with a party
and EPD
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>>175401420
I could do that a year and a half ago as Fo/Gu easily, it's not hard to hit 999k+ with chain.
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>>175400632
DID U KNOW Magastu deosn't either?

OR CHROME DRAGON!
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>>175398425
i dont really play with anyone everytime i get on. im way to low lvl plus im not sure where everyone goes. im layrinn in game and on here btw.
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>>175400632
Profound Darkness doesn't count as a darker even though he's the king of the darker???
>>
So what are the best PAs to use on deus as Ranger? End attract doesnt seem to hit too well when he is down. Hitbox is wonky.
>>
Does anyone have a breakdown on the story

Stopped at Episode 2
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>>175400632
Why the fuck would something that's explicitly not a darker count as a darker?
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>>175402636
Sneak Shooter is quick damage on weak points and when you can run up to his weak point, you can also use Satellite Cannon. If you're on Launcher you can try the laser.
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>>175402539
That one actually doesn't make sense.
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>>175402636
The only ones I personally use are Parallel Slider Type-0, End Attract, Satellite Canon and Piercing Shell.

Satellite Cannon when you climb the Dragon Heads.

Parallel Slider Type-0 when he drags his arm from right to left.

End Attract when he drags his arm from left to right and to hit multiple dragon heads.

Piercing Shell to JA into EA then spam it if I don't have enough time to charge another EA before he recovers.
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>>175402508
Well I'm going to make a new character on ship2 tonight so if you want to level up we can.
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>>175403615
did you not have a chara there. also idk if ill be on tonight im on at random times i have free
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>>175404049
Yes but like I said I forgot my otp password. So I'm forced to make a new character.
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>Phaleg duel

the reward for this is better be her body
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>>175405575
You'll get 200SG and like it.
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>Log in ship2
>Check if people are doing triggers
>Nobody is doing them
>Check on 4
>Nobody is doing them
Boost week
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>>175406067
it's like 3 am in japan
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>>175403447
>>175403604
Alright, thank you kind ma'ams. Ill try this stuff out on next one
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>Phaleg is weak to ice
IT'S TIME FOR ILBARTA
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Finally got to put the improved grafix on.
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>>175407584
Are you sure it was weak, and not resistant to? She does get anga resists (supposedly one at a time).
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>>175407747
弱点 = weakness
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>>175405575
>reward
Kek
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>>175407584
How will you successfully get those off when she's kicking you in the face constantly
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So I tried downloading the game twice and it has crashed and made my net fall off. Fuck this game.
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>>175408315
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>>175409459
>>175407858
>yfw she'll start resisting ice before the final cast
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>>175408221
They said there were titles for each class you beat her with
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>>175411261
each reward is a piece of a nude image of her, you need to acquire all nine to complete the picture
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>pso2g still can't get in expert blocks
lmao!
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>this guy can clear heaven and hell
>/pso2g/ can't
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>>175416805
i cleared hnh already.
>>
What's the damage bonus for matching elements on non-tech weapons? Was it 5%?
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>>175416805
But I cleared it when it came out.
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>>175416805
>30 minute clear
Why should I watch this
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Look at this piece of garbage.
Not even good for fodder.
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>>175416805
Why are you making shits up anon?
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>>175420457
Astra TMGs aren't good?
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I saw a force using a sword in the level up quest. What do I make of this?
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>>175420994
all class exp III another history maybe
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cock and balls
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>>175421496
Io has been forgotten
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>>175420993
Astra is SHIT for factors.
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>>175420994
he wants to be like this guy >>175416805
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>>175389596
you have too much rdr, 13* drops are being pushed out of the drop table in favour of 10* trash.
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>>175422408
what?
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>>175422408
would explain why im not getting any fucking units
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>>175422408
is that really how rdr works?
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>>175422408
What makes it retarded is that all of my friends who dont play SU get the egg whereas i on the other hand who plays SU doesnt get shit except fuses and units
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Here's your daily reminder that you cannot trust Aida and you are a fool for doing so.
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>>175422408
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>>175422408
Except you roll for 13* first. Twice for main class. Then 12* and it keeps going down the list. If you don't get a 13*, you failed the first 2 rolls.
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>>175424409
Oh no, not me
I never lost control
You're face to face
With the man who scammed the world
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>>175423856
Higher rarity drops push out lower rarity ones, not the other way around, so no
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>>175425326

that last paragraph. Does Aida think we are stupid?
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>>175425151

Aida is the dude right?
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>>175427285
aida is on the left of the girl
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>both Zeinesis rifle and launcher look like shit
Multiple camo option when, Sega?
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>>175428137
Everything in the game looks like shit
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>>175428668
Everything in the game IS shit.
When this boss dies it coils into shit!
SHIT! EVERYTHING IS SHIT!
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>come out of mob to dash panel transition facing the wrong way
lol wut
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>>175429813
A lightning bolt hit dashpanel spawn and then the path to deus' core bugged out in my run
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>>175430395
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>>175430793
>>
>>175424409
>>175425326
I'm new and what is this
>>
out of
>zeinesis talis
>zeinesis rod
>gix rod
>gix talis
>astra talis
>astra rod
which should I make what element?
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>>175430395
>>
>>175431021

Tranny stole 20k of players money. Lied about it and tried to blame other person
>>
>>175430793
>>175430965
Ruppy
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>>175431256
Why did people give it money?
>>
>>175431408

Promised to buy them ac codes.
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>>175431021
Long story of AIDA shortened:
>Old PSO player, also a broney and autism sonic fag
>Use to post a lot on the sega forums, once stalked a sega employee, got banned years later
>Pretends to be his 'sister' so he can act female
>Pretends to speak the Japanese
>Set up a English launcher for pso2, runs like shit, potential to get you banned because it .dll injects
>Sets up selling ingame currency for real cash, runs with the money and tons of people were left waiting for refunds/currency
>Still lives at home in his 30s
>>
the PS4 version doesnt look too bad but playing on controller feels extremely clunky
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>>175432050
Your character is really hot.
>>
>>175431475
>>175431783
Never trust the mentally ill.
>>
>>175432174
>replying to yourself
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>>175432174
no she isn't, i forgot to put the mask on
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>>175432050
wow your character is so gorgeous and beautiful and perfect you should keep making meaningless and empty posts as an excuse to keep posting unrelated pictures of her
>>
>>175432241
Still gonna rub one out to her.
>>
>>175431783
>Still lives at home in his 30s
I still do this, nothing wrong with that.
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>>175432456
modern western civilisation sees you as a failure if you haven't got a 500k+ home loan debt by the age of 30.
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>>175432594
But I'm debt free.
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>>175298536
And of course this doesnt affect Summoner
Fuck Br and Gu am i right?
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>>175432642
Tact can be resisted.
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>>175432456
Get out of the house johnny
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>>175432804
not if only your pet is hitting
>>
>>175432804
thats only if you touch or cast a tech with it
>>
>>175432835
to be a poor wageslave?
>>
>>175432637
do you own your own home?
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>>175432050
Is this the return of Lilith?
>>
>>175432862
>>175432889
>anga bit hit me
>mag hits it back
>cancel quest, wait for mag to starve, retry
>feed it again out of muscle memory
>repeat
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>>175432972
Nope
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>>175432402
I dont how to feel about this

>>175432981
i dont know who that is. I'm just a regular anon
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>>175431783

>ugly dude
>ugly girl is dude's sister
>dude wants to be sister

why would you wanna be someone ugly?
if you are going to pretend pick someone hot.
>>
>>175431783
> potential to get you banned because it .dll injects

Hasn't the item patch been doing this for years?
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>tfw no-lifing the levelup quest to get Hu, Br and maybe Bo to 75 on my Te
>>175433636
Reminder that the item patch reveals your power level every time you pick up a rare item
>>
>>175434052
NO IT CANT BE
TELL ME THAT IS A LIE
>>
>>17523740
I need Lambdas and I've never done Zieg's weeklies before. What's the fastest way to get them done?
>>
>>175237407
I wonder what the Japanese think of Americans playing pso2
>>
>>175433740
Out skilled
>>
>>175435097
Sega rewards Japanese players who report Americans with ARKS Cash and Star Gems
>>
>>175433740
that's nasty good shit
>>
>>175435097
they treat us as a minor inconvenience.
>>
>>175435097
On ship 2 there's too many to give a shit about any particular one.
On other ships (less so ship 4 because it's ship2-lite desu) beware of roaming anti-gaijin death squads.
>>
>>175435229
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>>175435229
Source or it didn't happen.
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>>175436656
could you not
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>>175436656
Jokes on you i main TWO male characters
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>>175437594
feminine penis doesn't count
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>>175436656
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>>175438082
>this imagine is too large
erry time.
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>>175436857
Quna is a lewd girl!
Like every idol has, she's sucked more dicks than you have bones in your body.
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>>175438864
Nice headcanon bruh
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I'm aware that Imgur.com will stop allowing adult images since 15th of May. I'm taking actions to backup as much data as possible.
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