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Welcome to Sonic The Hedgehog General. Here we discuss Sonic games as well as the entire franchise including cartoons and comics. Share art, music, talk about new developments, discuss ROM hacks, speedrunning, and more!

/sthg/ #746 - Lovely Art Edition

>Link Compilation<
http://pastebin.com/J6hTXkhK

>Drawfag/Writefag Idea Walls<
http://pastebin.com/j8KkPQ4n
http://pastebin.com/jNKKMk5b

>Sonic News<
Sonic Forces Classic Sonic Gameplay
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q1wYD5b4VUw

Sonic Boom Fire & Ice Concept Art Found
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/04/sonic-boom-fire-ice-concepts-found/

Archie to Send Update About the Comic to Subscribers Later in April
http://www.tssznews.com/2017/04/19/sonic-291-listed-as-cancelled-email-going-to-subscribers-about-sonic-comics-later-in-april/

Sonic Forces and Sonic Mania Nintendo Direct Video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A7bsS2mWDuw

Sonic Mania and Forces Famitsu Article
http://www.tssznews.com/2017/04/12/famitsu-has-released-new-information-on-sonic-mania-forces-iizuka-interview/
https://www.sonicstadium.org/2017/04/morio-kishimoto-is-directing-sonic-forces-no-boom-sonic-will-be-at-e3/

>General Interest Links<
/sthg/ is making a game! Modelers, Designers, Artists, and more are needed!
Project folder: https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0Bw9wQojS0lxpOHBEdERyNXVIeWM

Sonic Time Twisted
https://overboundstudio.com/index.php?action=game_page&id=1

Bump in Sonic 1 v0.1
http://www55.zippyshare.com/v/x5kpc8IZ/file.html

Source Code for Bump in Sonic 1
http://www10.zippyshare.com/v/Vh05gC9s/file.html

Green Hill Paradise Act 2
https://mega.nz/#!bdtByBRB!QENQpUU2fzjYSs79s0Y0lR5Zx1Tt5CI6v3f-buPsUo4

The Current Archie Comic Situation
http://theamazingsallyhogan.tumblr.com/post/157126289491/sonic-the-hedgehog-scott-fulop-narrative-ark

Sonic Boom Seasons 1 & 2 can be watched here:
http://www.toonova.com/sonic-boom
http://www.toonova.com/sonic-boom-season-2

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First for lame sanic memes
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Fantasy Roxy, now in colour
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>>175205819
DO YOU MEAN THIS SANIC?
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I find the Sonic streams they do pretty fun. I do hope they try and do more interviews in the future like with Ohtani and Senoue, but it's cool to see various Sonic staff hang out a bit.
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HA HA HA HA! IF IT ISN'T SONIC!
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>>175206012
I laughed when they put a cuck story into the comics.
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>>175206080
Well, well, well... If it isn't Sonic and Tails!
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>>175206012
How is Fiona the bad guy in this? She even admits that she likes Tails, but she's not attracted to kids.
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>>175206230
She is into "BAD BOYS"
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>>175204943
>the awooo twins

They were pretty much crammed in to make up for Hershey being suddenly off limits.
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Do you guys think Sonic likes Running in the 90's?
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>>175206465
I should hope so. Those 2-hour Eurobeat mixes are what get me through long work sessions. Here's a fun drinking game: Listen to one of those mixes and every time "Fire" is rhymed with "Desire," take a shot.
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>>175205748
>>175206012
>>175206330
>>175206532
What a fucking horror show this was.
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>>175206365
This was confirmed by both Ian and Aleah, Aleah confirmed that she was supposed to end up being a Secret Freedom Fighter wearing the red outfit with Elias wearing blue.
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>>175205748
>>174910784
Having some trouble finding an .iso for Sonic Adventure 2. Really wanna play that game, but everything I find is an .cdi, which Dolphin can't play.
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>>175207105
Refocus on a crack for the Steam version.
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Not trying to start anything. Only using the simulator as an example.

But would you pay money to see a show like this? Maybe if it was done with more than just Boom characters?
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>>175207105
Are downloading SA2: Battle?
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>>175207413
>Alt Demension Eggman
>But no Alt Demension Knuckles

Do Cliff and Q.N.C. even appear in the show?
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>>175207612
Nope. I was running out of ideas when making this example.
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>>175207105
.cdi files are for dreamcast. and how the hell did you not know? every rom site worth a damn tells you what system you're downloading the game for
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ONE PAUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUNCCCHHHHHHH!!!!
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>>175207648
Maybe include Tails' girlfriend?

Dave the Intern?
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>>175206465
this was my second favorite scene in all of Sonic X. I really wish there were more chances for Sonic to show just how fast he is compared to human standards
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>>175208213
Okay. Noted

Maybe if people are interested, I'll find a place to host it (since mods don't take kindly to this thing because of a certain other simulator) and fix it up to take these suggestions into account.
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>>175208101
Would you die if you got punched by Knuckles?
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>>175207413
who is that nominatus guy and why does he look like aku?
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>>175208410
Yes. The only reason no one's died is because Knuckles only punches those with absurd amounts of durability, or robots.
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>>175206230
She later dumps Sonic for his evil alternate universe counterpart.
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>>175203245
A little late but I actually have played Colors, Gens, and LW with the joy con and they seem fine for those types of games. None of the 3D Sonic's ever use the dpad so it caused no issues, the pro is still the way to go.
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>>175205748
Jesus that art style.
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>>175207413
Eggman's team would get their asses kicked. Holy shit.
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>>175207413
>Q-N-C
What was even the point of that character in Boom?
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>>175209009

>TFW Fiona probably got gangbanged by the Suppression Squad.
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>>175207413
Just a quick question, why is this program banned again?
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>>175207413
Why are there three Eggmans?
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>>175210152
You're not half wrong.

I'm currently running this by myself and am on Episode 6. Team Sonic currently has them outnumbered by one member.

>>175210291
Mostly because of the Hunger Games stuff.
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>>175210291
I assume because the hunger games stuff was all over 4chan and mods just kinda stepped in at some point.
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I FINALLY FOUND HIM.
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>>175211092
FAKER
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>>175210418
>ywn feel bump's bumps pressed against you
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bunnie sucks lol
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>>175210418
>>175211405
Sonic and Bump are too damn cute.
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>>175211631
Sage is objectively cuter due to finally displaying her dere side
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>>175211276
I got one of those from a claw machine.
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>>175210152
>>175210349
On Episode 13.....Holy fuck were we wrong about that.
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Just fuck up my weekend Archie. DO IT FAGGOTS.
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>>175212910
Tomorrow.
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>>175213425
WHAT DOES THIS GESTURE MEAN
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>>175213557
It means his nose is runny, anon
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>>175207413
So I did this example on my own time and wow was that something.

I know it doesn't matter cause I didn't do this one live but here's who won it overall.
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>>175213557
It's a Japanese gesture meant to convey cockiness and confidence.
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>>175213813
On the bright side...
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>sonic's gonna be in a film festival focusing on diversity and inclusion
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>You're asleep in bed.
>Suddenly you're awoken by a bright light.
>You look up and then see this hovering over you.

Would you?
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>>175214072
sauce?
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>>175208101
holy shit
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>>175214319
Not a valid sauce but still a sauce.
https://twitter.com/ThatSoni/status/857707397279870976

Apparently it's just two Specific episodes of Boom.
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>>175214319
>>175214496
It was mentioned in today's stream.
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>>175214310
Why the fuck is she blue if her spirit ball isn't?
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>>175214310
I ALREADY SAW YOUR BACKSTORY LIKE 20 TIMES NOW FUCK OFF, I GOT CLASS
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>>175214310
she got dat tummy tho, i'd kiss it
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>>175214225
I wanna cuddle that pink rat
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>>175206012

Are Tails' eyes supposed to be opened or closed in the last panel?
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Does this look familiar?
https://twitter.com/OldSwifty/status/857524286650765313

I think we may have our artist for Mania's cutscenes.
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>>175215039
Did Tails just fucking kill Sonic?
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>>175215227
Tails did the right thing.
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>>175215284
You know he only did it for Fiona.>>175206012
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Why can't she replace omochao?
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>>175214439
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>>175215450
This looks better.
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>>175215039
Interesting, he used to be with SEGA Hardlight.
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>>175215039
That's really cute!
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>>175215039
This is adorable.
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>>175215450
Her story is over.
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>>175215039
Cute

>>175215450
Source on image?
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>>175215450
Becausse that would be the right thing to do.
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>>175214225
I love that cutie so much
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Who is more cringe inducing? Tristan of TSSZ? Aaron Webber of Official Sonic Streams? Or Tanner of The Sonic Show?
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>>175215039
https://youtu.be/_4sTMpTUMhY
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>>175214225
I love her
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>>175216687
I dunno. I've never watched any of them.
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>>175214225
Ams is cute, I'll give you that. But Blaze, Cream, Matilda, and Sally are way cuter!
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why is sonic cd so BAD
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>>175213557
He's got the measles and needs to be put down.
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>>175217227
Because it isnt.
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What if it was Sonic saving the Princess and Mario being the wondering Vagabond?
https://youtu.be/KO5nBBU0Deg
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>>175217758

It's weird they could mod in new models but not sound effects.
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>>175214225
I have one of those games because I bought a used Wii and it came with a bunch of trash. It's boring as shit, except maybe the hockey.
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>>175216283
So was Shadows but that didn't stop him from coming back.
The determining factor is popularity.
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>>175216687
Your face is.
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>>175219000
Shadow's a popular hog.
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>>175219832
I have no face for I am a robot
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So here's what I think SEGA's gonna do for Sonic over the next few years:
They'll have Whitehead crank out a new series of sonic games from his own engine, in order to keep the old fans of the series,
Boom will still be going on both as a tv show and an infrequent game series due to its fanbase, maybe returning to 3D if SEGA gets courageous

Modern Sonic will be the most experimental of the franchise, trying to find the limits of its own gameplay without going too far in one direction. Hopefully it can find a style that works without having to rely too much on a "gimmick" (Werehog, Wisps, Classic Sonic).
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>>175220581
Nope Mania is one and Done. Whitehead isn't going to be making another one officially. Just unofficial.
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>>175220581
Just please make Modern fun. Specially if Boom inherits the gameplay Modern proved to work or a similar one. I'm gonna be beyond pissed if that happens and Modern ends up getting the short end of the stick with a new gameplay that sucks and a weak and poor quality game.
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>>175212528
does it look as bad in person as it does in the photo?
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>>175221992
Yes.
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>>175214709
Sonic spinball party reference
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Who do you want to be fleshed out more often?
Blaze or Silver?
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>>175214578
There's a stream?
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>>175222613
Silver for character. Blaze had two full games (albeit handheld) where she was one of the two main characters, while Silver outside of 06 has been limited to being packed into the Rivals games where he just came across as generic and boring.

I'd like to see Blaze's world fleshed out more though.
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>>175222613
Both_
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>>175222613
Blaze doesn't need to be fleshed out. She needs to be fleshed in. Her backstory has been completely up in the air for 10 years.
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>>175222613
Blaze, easily.
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>>175223049
What are you talking about? She was raised as Princess of the Sol Dimension and guardian of the Sol Emeralds. Due to her seclusion resulting from her fire powers she was born with, she because shy and recluse until she met Sonic in Sonic Rush. There's not that much to "flesh in".
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>>175223421
Sure. All that is fine in Rush, but what about 06? They still have never explained why she's suddenly from the future and not from the Sol Dimension. Then there's the beginning of Generations where she goes to Sonic's birthday party. Why is she there? Is it suddenly okay for her to abandon her princessly duties and fuck off to Sonic's dimension for some cake and party favors?
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>>175223832
>inb4 not canon

But seriously I don't think things like that will ever be addressed, I'm sure half of the shit in this series is made up as it goes along.
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>>175223832
>06

The game was intended to be a reboot, iirc. And the game isn't even canon anymore, so it doesn't matter.

>Why is she there?

She can go back & forth between dimensions, & she wanted to celebrate her friend's birthday.
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>>175223832
>Why is she there? Is it suddenly okay for her to abandon her princessly duties and fuck off to Sonic's dimension for some cake and party favors?
She got fired.
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>>175223832
>Sure. All that is fine in Rush, but what about 06? They still have never explained why she's suddenly from the future and not from the Sol Dimension.
06 is an alternate timeline. After the timeline is reset, she is reincarnated into her present role as guardian of the Sol Emeralds, just as Silver is brought into a new future.

>Then there's the beginning of Generations where she goes to Sonic's birthday party. Why is she there? Is it suddenly okay for her to abandon her princessly duties and fuck off to Sonic's dimension for some cake and party favors?
A. She wanted to celebrate her friend's birthday.

B. It is a children's video game.

Iizuka already addressed this in a convention. Eggman Nega is from 200 years into the future, and Blaze is guardian of the Sol Emeralds.
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>>175223832
Runners explained that she and Slilver can come and go from their world/time as they please. Also, Runners says that some Wisps stayed behind because they liked the world.
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>>175223832
shes just in gens cause silver was a boss and shes another character in 06
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>>175223832
>Is it suddenly okay for her to abandon her princessly duties and fuck off to Sonic's dimension for some cake and party favors?
She's a princess who can burn everything around her to a crisp at will and manipulate dimensional boundaries as she pleases. Are you going to try to tell her she can't celebrate a friend's birthday?
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Your friends who live 20 minutes away won't come to your birthday party but Blaze will travel to another dimension and Silver will go back into time just to celebrate Sonic's

>tfw you will never have good friends like sonic has
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>>175224463
Sonic has saved all of reality at this point. What have you done with your life?
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>>175224046
>>175224157

>She can go back & forth between dimensions as she pleases
Yeah? How? Using the Sol Emeralds? We already know that having both sets of emeralds in the same dimension is a no-no.

>>175224157
>Runners
We really have to get our explanations for Iizuka's bullshittery through a mobile game? Is this what it's come to?

I suppose what it really boils down to is, yeah. It's a children's game and asking for things like basic consistency in storytelling is unreasonable. I know.
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>>175224463
Did you change someone's life like Sonic did Blaze?
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>>175224463
The best part from Silver's perspective is he can just go to them whenever he wants.

"Man, could really go for a chili dog right now. I'll head over to Sonic's 16th birthday."
"Shit they ran out before I got there. I can't go even farther back or that would create a paradox. I'll just skip ahead to his 17th."
"Can't go to his 18th, I was already there last week when Nega's mom went back in time to try and forcibly marry him. Man that was weird"
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>>175224463
Did they at least say Happy Birthday to you?
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>>175224658
Did it really change that much for her?
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>>175224463
You're gonna quit caring about that in a years.
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>>175224831
Anon, we aren't furries
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>>175224878
Amy getting cucked is a beautiful thing
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>>175224463
Good thing I stopped caring about that a long time ago. Anyway, happy birthday anon and sorry it's been rough on you.
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>>175225323
I need more of these two.

>>175225243
That's not nice.
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>>175224598
At least it's a Sonic Team game.
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>>175225521
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>>175224750
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>>175224598
>Yeah? How? Using the Sol Emeralds? We already know that having both sets of emeralds in the same dimension is a no-no.
Play Rush Adventure, it answers your questions.
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>>175225841
I have played it, but not in a long while. What explanation are you referring to?
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>>175225698
>Amy wagging her tail

That's fucking cute, mang.
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>>175225698
God I just want to hold her.
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>Eggman discovers a 'new power' that lets him conquer the world
>A certain other series has its 25th anniversary this year as well

GUYS I FIGURED IT OUT

THE NEW CHARACTER FROM THE TRAILER WAS A RUSE

THIS IS THE REAL THIRD CHARACTER

>YOUR FACE WHEN IT'S A CROSSOVER GAME
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>>175226163
>kirby is revealed to be the new character
>the xbox, pc, and ps4 versions were just ruses
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>>175226163
But this year is Sonic's 26th anniversary.
Actually, Sonic's fucking birthday is in less than two fucking months.

Holy fuck, what an old fucking rat.
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>>175225918
Both sets of Emeralds are actually stable normally, they were unstable in Rush because the Eggmen were misusing them. This is mentioned in the ending to Rush Adventure. Reclaiming the Jeweled Scepter also reestablished Blaze's connection to the Power of the Stars, which itself is what mediates the dimensional barrier.
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>>175226714
I totally forgot about that scepter. If that's what she used to jump back and forth for the occasional birthday and Olympic event then I suppose it's a good enough explanation for me.
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Everyone knows what the worst issues of archie sonic were. What were the best? Tell me.
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>>175226969
Eggman's Dozen was a great arc.
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Who's the Reverse Flash of Sonic?
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>>175227372
I would say Scourge but Scourge sucks.
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>>175227372
That's Professor Zoom, first off and the answer is Scourge. Next question.
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>>175226969

The arc with mighty's sister and bunnie's uncle dealing with the oil fields. Still one of the high points of the entire comic.
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>>175226969
Shard vs Metal Sonic was my favorite. Hell of a last story before the pre-reboot died.
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>>175226554
>the DIE HARD bib

gets me every time.
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I'm bored.

Post Sticks please.
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goodnight anonymoose.
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>>175229106
g'night anon
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Postin' some fresh Tikal.
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abt tweeted out a discord server. wonder if he'll stop coming here
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>>175229250
>Tikal has hands and no spiked knuckles.
How does she climb in SA2?
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>>175229250
Too slow, pal

>>175214310
>>175215450
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>>175229342
ghost hands
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>>175229289
I'm part of like...20 discords and I still come to the general daily.
Also I joined it.
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>>175228863
Even though there is constant showing of sonamy, I prefer her with Sonic,
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>>175229360
Wow I even scrolled up to check before editing them together.
My eyes must be getting old.
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>>175224463
That's a shame anon, my condolences and happy birthday to you. Hope things start to look up.
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>>175229661
Seconded
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>The one true headcanon
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>>175229661
I don't prefer anyone with Sonic. Cause screw him.

Literally every Sonikku girl deserves better on a relationship level.
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Hey, guys. Any new developments on your end on the project? I'm still working on the basic level geometry.
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>>175231201
This might be something.
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>>175231378
Holy shit, this looks cool.
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http://www.tssznews.com/2017/04/21/reasonable-assessment-the-green-hill-problem/

I'm glad everyone else is as fucking sick of muh Classic pandering as I am
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>>175225521
Whats that?
>>175229661
Agreed
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>>175231527
What's what? Personally, while those Sticks/Sonic pics & gifs are very, very cute, I don't really see them together.
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>>175231378
Just for posterity, do you think you could take a flat plane, place the overhead map onto it as a texture and place it underneath the model, just so we can see where it fits in the overall scheme of things? I don't want to accidentally make geometry that interferes with your work, ya know.
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>>175231710
I'm gonna be honest, I neglected to keep track of the size it was on the level map when making it, and also forgot to put in the spot the secret path goes, but I tried to fit it after the fact and with the front area enlarged it fits ok.

Oh yea, if anyone wants to put stuff on those banners, there's 14 of them and they're a 3:10 ratio.
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>>175231171
>when sonic never really cares for anyone except the chipmunk
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>>175232132
He cared for Elise.
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>>175232026
Visual.
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>>175232026
That's okay. We can see what comes out and work around it. At this point it's evident that my 3D modeling skills pale in comparison to yours, so if there's any words of wisdom you can offer in terms of modeling the actual base map, that'd be great. I'm struggling to figure out how exactly I'm going to make the walls and ceiling work out smoothly once I've gotten the floor map finished. I figured I'd just extrude the walls out and then up, but I worry that that will result in some really sloppy walls. Thoughts?
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>>175232352
Oh yeah. This'll work out fine. I'd just need to expand the entrance a little. The actual main room looks like it'll fit fine.
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>>175232352
Self contained objects /can/ be easy Layouts are annoying. I would say do what you're doing for the floor, while being mindful of the UVs, and model the walls separately into stretchable / path extrudeable lengths with pillars in between corners / really long lengths. Then maybe do something like pic related for the roof.
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>>175232806
I think I can do that. Thanks.

It also occurs to me that we still need both a Bump model and a Sage model. Of course, these would be way down the line, but it's still something that's been on my mind. Any other 3D anons here that could take up the reins? Maybe someone who knows Nibroc Rock personally could get him to work his magic?
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So I've been out of the general for a few months now, sounds like a lot is happening.

The comic is dead/dying, with Archie yet to make an official statement? What was the last issue released to newsstands? I would like to get the Mega archive up to date if possible (as a memorial if nothing else).

Mania and Forces are arriving this summer, and at least Mania sounds decent. Forces is pretty much Gen2?

The project sounds pretty neat. What do we need the most of in terms of project roles right now?
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>>175233509
>The project sounds pretty neat. What do we need the most of in terms of project roles right now?

Yes. It's really only GHPanon, the voicefags, and sometimes other people sporadically at the moment.
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>>175233509
>What was the last issue released to newsstands?

Genesis of a Hero Part 3 & the conclusion to the Chaotix Sonic Universe arc.

>Forces is pretty much Gen2?

It has GHZ (although it's said to be different) & Classic Sonic, but that's pretty much it in regards to connections with Gens. There's a lot that's been kept quiet about the game & while they're teasing some things, they've yet to show those things off.

>The project sounds pretty neat.

Yeah. It's pretty much a few anons & GHPAnon doing the project, but they said that anyone willing to help can.
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>>175233123
Well his DA says that he doesn't do free requests and doesn't do commissions of fan characters. Rafa does commissions but she charges $80 a pop for more detailed ones.
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>>175233509
No word on comics yet.
Mania is arriving this summer. Forces is during the holiday season, though we will be getting more info during E3.
As for the project, I am the current head of development, so if you have any questions, ask me. There is more information on what we're going for on the Google Drive link up top.

In terms of what we need, we need a 3D artist who is skilled at character modeling to make us Bump and Sage statues. However, a much easier role would be in the texturing department. We're going to need lots of different kinds of tileable textures like floors, walls, etc. It would be great if you could find some cool textures for us to use and plop them in the Textures folder. If they come with Normal Maps, Specular Maps and things of that nature, that'd be a bonus! But plain ol' textures would be just fine.

When searching for tileable textures, be sure to use the keywords "tile," or "seamless" in your searches.
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>>175230708
>>175231527
My nig-hogs.

>>175232132
>TF2 map
That Sonic is a spy.
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>>175233959
>>175233761
>>175233639

Thanks for the info anons!

Looks like I have one or two issues to update on both SU and STH. I'll see about getting those up sometime tomorrow night.

I'm taking a look at the drive link now, GHP. Hopefully I can contribute something useful to it!

The more I read about forces the more worried I get. I'm taking a look at all this for the first time and it feels lazy to say the least. At least Mania looks great.
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>>175234598
Good to have you on board. Every little bit helps. The more people we have on board, the more we can say that this is something truly /sthg/.
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>>175234598
I wouldn't say lazy, at least in regards to Modern. But there's clearly a lot about the game they just won't talk about outside of teases. Classic is just okay, there's still a lot of things I'm personally looking forward to.
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>>175234807
>>175234598

Oh yeah! There's a demo for you to play on the Drive as well, so feel free to go check that out.
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>Thread death

Not today.
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>>175234917

I took a look at the playable prototype, not bad for a start.

Any chance of using revision control for this? Github/SVN/etc?
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>>175233123
We have an anon working on the pre-existing Bump model.
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Does Archie Sonic know how to boost?
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>>175240228
Can't boost if you're dead.
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>>175207105
t. Retard
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I'd cum inside Clove if you know what I mean.
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THUNDAH
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>>175240228
He did preboot atleast.
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>>175247345
RAYN
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>>175247698
I would love to see a sonic cartoon use that pose and facial expression. it's so damn good
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>>175247845
N LIGHTNANG
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>>175227372
Metal Sonic. He's obsessed with Sonic, and the obsession is an odd mix of pure hatred, and a desire to BE him. Just like Eobard Thawne.
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This chart does not reflect my views.
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>>175227432
>>175227451
What dumb logic are you guys operating under? Out of all of Sonic's rival counterparts, you think Scourge of all characters is the Reverse-Flash of Sonic? Scourge is Sonic from an evil universe. The Flash has that as well, and his name is Johnny Quick.

Professor Zoom, The Reverse-Flash, specifically Eobard Thawne (since Barry is the main Flash), is obsessed with Barry Allen. He wanted to be just like him, he wanted to BE him. So he gave himself Flash powers and stuff, but when he time travelled to the Flash's time period (since he's from the future), he learned that his destiny was to be the Flash's greatest enemy and that drove him mad and he decided to be the reverse of everything the Flash stands for. He can't kill the Flash because that would erase his own life, so he tortures the Flash however he can. Such as doing every possible thing to ruin his childhood, including killing Barry's mother.

But anyways, the closest Sonic analogue to Professor Zoom is Metal Sonic. Zoom's rivalry with the Flash is not based on being a shadow-archetype and saying "you and I are the same, Flash, deep down you are just like me", the rivalry is based purely on his hatred for the Flash and stuff.
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>>175229342
She used brass knuckles in SA2.
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>>175240228
Post-reboot, most of the games are canon to the Archieverse, including Colors and Generations, so I think it's safe to say that he can.
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>>175250803
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>>175250803
Fuck off Sparky.
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>>175250803
I have been away for a while because of internet issues, but thank god after all this time I can come back and say this.

FUCK OFF SPARKY.
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>>175250686
pointless. characters don't have enough time to develop because of bad writing
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>>175231378
Can I run on the roof of this?
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>>175226969
Shadow Fall was pretty awesome, as was Champions.
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>>175233123
>Nibroc Bump
I never thought of this. That would be so fucking awesome

>>175233872
Rafa does 3D modelling commissions? 80 doesn't sound so bad for a model, comparing what some drawfags charge for colored/shaded pictures.
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>>175254294
>>175254387
Autism aside, he pretty much nailed it. Everyone's quick to say Scourge but Metal Sonic definitely makes a lot more sense considering the type of character Thawne is.
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>>175206012
>why doisnt it makes sense
>realise im trying to right to left
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>>175254989
From Rafa's tumblr:
> Simple - $30
> Simpler blocky models (Low poly), such as the Pokémon sun / moon characters, with cartoonized textures .

> Detailed - $80
> Smooth or / and complex models (High poly / sculpture), with more detailed lighting, such as the other characters I usually do for Artworks.

>- If the model is for animations or games, the base price may vary depending on how it extend the production of the model. But the new price can be negotiable, depending on the case.
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>>175255558
That's happened to me so many times in the past like 5 years, it's really baffling to read from left to right.
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>>175233509
Hey, welcome back man.
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>>175234917
GHPA, if you're still around, does the Detailed model mentioned in >>175255713 sound like it would be workable for this project? This is important.
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>>175256956
S-stop, it's early Friday's and this kind of implications wouldn't be good for my health.

>yfw we put Bump in Generations too afterwards
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>>175257814
I can't draw.
I can't model.
I can't code.
I can barely write.
But still, if there's a way I can contribute to this project, I'll make it happen.
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>>175224831
>tfw no gluttonous foxboi to chubb up and cuddle

Hurts lots.
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What's your favorite Sonic game?
Pic related.
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>>175259119
I prefer Rise of Lyric.
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We can agree Black Knight had a pretty good story, right?
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>>175259847

Other than the sperg who gets triggered over the King Arthur line, yeah.
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>>175259119
You're probably a troll, but Sonic 06 is the only Sonic game I still consistently play
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>>175259983
>You're probably a troll
he's obviously a troll
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>>175259119
The one and only
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>>175260126
I wonder what Modern Amy would look like if she had kept her classic spines.
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>>175208101
>>175214439
goddamn
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>>175258598
B-but it's a lot of money anon and for a community you hate!
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>>175229289
Communicate? with more people? but why
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>>175260126
... so, how do we tell Classic Amy?
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>>175263002
Amy is a cuck
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I wonder if the reason Pontac & Graff haven't been named yet is because of the backlash they might generate. They're guaranteed to be writing Forces regardless.
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>>175254798
Maybe? I left a hole in the middle of the roof so a spring could be placed underneath it and some rings could be placed around the roof line or something.
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>>175263662
I don't remember exactly what they said, but when they were asked on yesterday's stream about that, they mentioned something like that Forces had a more Japanese staffing this time. So maybe P&G aren't writing thie time. Count with my voice to shout at Sega if they are, though.
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>>175250686
Bump blaze and chaotix up to high and bring Big up to Mid tier and I completely agree with this.
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>>175263662
Nakamura already posted the script, which means it's probably in Japanese, which means Pontaff wouldn't be involved since the most they'd be doing is translation and I doubt they know Japanese.
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>>175260698
Sharper.
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>>175264031
source?
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>>175264257
>but when they were asked on yesterday's stream
He might've heard something on yeserday's stream, not sure though.
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>>175264257
Yesterday's stream Q&A, nigger.
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When you consider what we're doing from a robot's point of view, its actually pretty gruesome.
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>>175265608
What the fuck is 'it'?
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>>175254472
That's implying they have any character to begin with
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>>175265807
The line was taken straight from Colors, in a scene where Orbot and Cubot are picking up the pieces of a destroyed robot. To them, that may as well be like you or I cleaning up a grisly murder scene.

Why that anon just posted that right out of the blue, I don't have any fucking idea.
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>>175266353
Did that anon kill someone?
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https://youtube.com/watch?v=RgQFu435Fq8

New Flying Battery footage
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>>175267776
are the japanese hyped for Mania?
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>>175267776
pic related

>>175267990
It features the cutsy classic characters, so maybe?
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>>175267776
>New
Stop lying
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>>175267776
It's the same footage as the before, they just added the ending featuring the logo, consoles it'll be on and release date.
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>>175268104
Wow it's fucking nothing. Yay.
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>>175262013
You think I'd be considering it if I didn't have the dosh to spend? And all shitposting and faggotry aside, I wouldn't be here every day if I hated this place.
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Would you an evil double?
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>>175268947
Of myself? Nah. I would, however, do the evil double of someone evil so that the double isn't evil.
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>>175269083
You would just end up with an evil-er double, like Eggman Nega is to Eggman Classic.
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>>175268947
Nah, I prefer misfortune.
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>>175269186
Eggman Nega would be to Eggman Modern.

Wow these names are getting ridiculous. Soon there'll be Classic Eggman Nega, Boom Eggman Nega, Classic Boom Eggman Nega.
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>>175215450
this will never happen... feels bad man
kinda wish Chaos would come back too
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>>175269337
>Eggman Nega would be to Eggman Modern.

I forgot about Generations and was calling Modern Eggman "Eggman Classic" in reference to Coca-Cola Classic, not in reference to Classic Robotnik.
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>>175269230
Oh you
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>>175269337
*Classic* Super Sayain Rose Boom Eggman Nega Black.
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>>175269337
Modern Delta Double Scrambled Eggman Nega
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>>175269482
Classic Robotnik. Modern Robotnik. Boom Robotnik. Robotnik Nega.

Classic Boom Doctor Ivo Ovi Eggman Robotnik Kintobor Nega.
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>>175268947
then neither of us would be virgins
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>>175269583
Classic Boom Super Sayain God Super Sayain Goku Black Nega.
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>>175269337
Classic Sonic
Modern Sonic
Postmodern Sonic
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>>175270087
Classic Sonic.
Modern Sonic.
Postmodern Sonic.
Boom Sonic.
Classic Boom Sonic.
Boom Postmodern Sonic.
Classic Boom Postmodern Super Sonic
Classic Boom Postmodern Super Sonic 3 & Classic Boom Postmodern Hyper Knuckles.
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>>175269881
Something doesn't feel right with this sal.
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>>175269948
Goku black can't go blue, you have to pick between SSG or Rose and Black.
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>>175269585
Boom Modern Delta Airlines Double-Double Animal Style Scrambled Sunny-Side Up Eggman Nega Robotnik's Mean Bean Machine X Pyuo Pyuo X Tetris.

>>175270518
But can Classic Boom Fused Zamasu go Super Sayain God Super Sayain Great Ape Four?
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>>175255713
I honestly would've expected those prices to be a lot higher.
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>>175270604
>Mixing Super and GT
Fool! Do you have any idea what you're doing?!?
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>>175270256
that's a lot of sonic
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>>175270994
Classic Boom Gogeta Black Super Sayain 4 God Super Sayain 4 Great Ape Fused Zamasu.
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So how about that letter to subscribers?
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>>175255713
Any chance that we could commission for Bump and Sage? Printbro, 3Dbro and the other guy that said they'd work have all dropped off the face of the planet.
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>>175267776
God, I want this on android so badly.
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>>175271145
You can never have enough Sonic.

Anti Classic Boom Postmodern Super Darkspine Werehog Hyper Metal Ogville Maurice Sonic the Hedgehog.

T. Iizuka.
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>>175271281
Looks like they lied or something came up.

They gotta say something eventually.
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>>175271281
>Thinking a random customer service rep knows what she's talking about
I can't believe this many people are believing her.
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Who is your favorite /sthg/ gamer, artist, writefag, and LEWDfag /sthg/?
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>>175271301
I dunno anon, do you have $160 lying around you can just toss at Rafa?
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>>175271836
I could but.... I expect recipocation for my funding. If not then I guess we could pull a crowd funding for it.

But I expect all of us are poorfags
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>>175271836
Yes, actually.
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>>175271301
>>175255713
>>175254989
Just learn to make your own 3d models. You can even add details no other artist would even for money!
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>>175271301
>>175271836
>>175272379

To be honest, if we approach the Bump and Sage models in the same way that we're currently handling the official Sonic statue, then we could likely negotiate for even less per model. For example, we wouldn't have to ask for them to be textured, since we'd just be putting a shiny material on the whole thing. If her example of "low-poly" are the Pokemon S/M characters, that's still pretty good. Those are some high quality models for a 3DS game. Plus, her high-poly models are likely for the purposes of rendering and thus wouldn't be optimized for in-game assets anyhow.

A lower-poly model would be more useful for /sthg/ than a higher-poly one in general. Wouldn't you agree?
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>>175272928
Counterpoint: if we spend more for a high-quality model and upload the files to a public folder, it'd be available for any and all future projects and not just this one.
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>>175273153
Hell, if we get good at rigging, we could even have a playable bump and sage down the road.
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>>175272928
Poking my $0.02 in here - you can reduce the poly count of a HD mesh for game purposes. I'd happily throw the savings from my Paypal account at the project for Bump/Sage to be done in full HD for printing, since my current situation has absolutely ruined any chances of me getting back into the project myself any time in the near future.

I have $30 or so floating around from the last 3D print job I did, it's up for grabs.

>>175273547
Rigging's fairly straightforward.
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You guys squabble about the HD model and how you're gonna pay for it if you want, I'm gonna commish the low poly one after work and dump it here when it's done. I wanna support Rafa and I don't have anything better to ask for, so you guys get it.
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>>175260126
>>175263002

> classic sonic/amy
> modern sonic/blaze

they go well together.
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>>175269881
>>175270443
Her head's waaay too big
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>>175273904
It really all depends on how many people on here want to donate to the cause. If we do do this, we should note just how many uses these models could have for gaming, rendering, lewding, etc. At the risk of sounding like a Kickstarter, if 80 of the 91 posters in this thread put up $2, we'd have 2 fully modeled and textured models.

On the other hand, the lo-poly model would likely not be too bad at all. Rafa's example of lo-poly is that of Pokemon Sun and Moon. Here is an example of what Rowlet's model looks in-game and, to be honest, this really isn't bad! This is pretty damn good for a 3DS model, I'd say. Having a Bump and a Sage with this poly count wouldn't be bad at all in my opinion.

>>175274891
Of course, if this guy goes ahead and takes charge of the situation, then I suppose the decision is made for us, isn't it? If you do follow through with this, good on ya, Anon. Don't forget about that "official" orthographic view sheet that we have on-hand. This will be a great resource for Rafa.
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>>175271702
Favorite /sthg/ gamer: None
Artist:ABT when he gets on here
Wrotefag: None now that Archie is kaput
Lewdfag:None I don't fap to animals however I do fap to Maria so whoever does Maria lewds
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>>175275554
Rowlet model
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>>175273904

>>175256956 here, I'm willing to fund at least one of the HD models from Rafa, but you've cleared up the worries I've had about stepping on your toes. I just needed to hear from GHPA that the HD model would work for this project.
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Do we have an ETA on release date? I'd love to work on this, but I have finals to focus on.
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>>175275554
Also, do we have an expanded model sheet for Sage showing the underside of the head like we do for Bump?
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>>175275773
I'll just say that getting some initial specs from Rafa would be nice before you throw money at this. Tell her what our intentions are and ask for examples of the differences between her hi-poly and lo-poly work as it applies to what we're trying to do. Yes, a hi-poly model would be nice, but you'd be surprised how much milage you can get out of a lo-poly model, even as it applies to applications outside of this project. If you really want to personally throw that much dough at her for the full package, that's entirely up to you, but I would advise that you ensure that the high quality model would be that much more of a benefit.

I mean, look at the Sonic Colors model vs. the Sonic Unleashed model. Both look really damn good despite colors' lesser poly count.

>>175275907
At present, no. It'll likely be later into the summer, so you've got plenty of time to jump on board.

>>175275932
No idea.
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>>175275554
You're going to want to use this updated refsheet, I got it from ABT for my own shot at modelling/finishing Bump. As for the poly count... well, it's always possible to apply subsurfs to the lower-poly model and get it looking more clean for printing (since that's my aim), but... well. Swings and roundabouts, honestly. Do we go low, and increase the resolution, or go high and reduce? Personally, I'd go for the latter, but... it depends on what the pool wants.

>>175275773
No worries about toe-crushing here. I've just become super-busy with job-hunting and working on paid commissions, so my ability to model for pleasure has been massively reduced. I'd still love to print some Bump/Sage figurines, though, so anything I can do to help, just let me know.

>>175276630
For 3D printing, the higher the poly count, the better. I typically work in the low millions of polygons for printed models - I'm obviously not expecting this from a figurine model, but... printing doesn't lie. If the model is blocky, the print will be too. Unless people don't mind that look.
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>>175275554
I think you misunderstand. I'm saying you fucks decide how you're gonna pay for your actual model; I'm gonna commish one that's a cute curio. This cute little extra is not an excuse for you guys to be cheapskates.
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>>175277379
Ah. My mistake. Carry on then.
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>>175276630
I'll work up an email to her once I get off of work explaining what we're looking for and asking for examples. In the meantime, I'll also ask ABT if he'd be up to adding additional views of Sage's head like he did for the pic in >>175276961
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Voting time. Let's go.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12850595
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>>175278224
Can we get a "Low poly, high detail texture"? Adding detail into polymeshes is a lot easier than adding detail into textures.
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>>175275554
>Naked bump
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>>175275651
>Don't fap to animals
>Fap to Maria
Anon, that's a bit contradictory
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>>175278224
We don't need a vote, we need people willing to pay. If people want to get the low-poly ones, they can. If people are willing to fund the high-poly ones, go for it. In fact, maybe we can get $220 together and do both, that way any future projects has a choice of which model they want to use.
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why not just use a giant mspaint image instead of a model
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>>175263002
There's nothing to tell her, lad.
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This is a big decision that's going to, potentially, affect this entire general, so I'm going to leave this poll open for a good, long while. I want lots of votes on this one to ensure that the opinions of a good chunk of this general's patrons are reflected.

Please participate, as it may influence future developments for a long time to come.

>>175278434
Perhaps... She did say that things were negotiable.

>>175279039
I was thinking that this poll could also serve as a tally of how many people are actually paying attention to this issue to see, potentially, how many people would be willing to shill up towards these models. Perhaps it's flawed logic, but it makes sense in my head.
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>>175278224
You're getting a cell shaded low detail Bump either way, splurge for the good shit.
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https://twitter.com/boxerhockey/status/847949758702379008
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>>175279727
Nah, that pretty much makes sense. As I said, I have $30 left over from previous paid work that I can throw towards the thing. And, again, for my own (admittedly-selfish) purposes, a higher-poly model would work since it would mean a lot less work down the line on cleaning and prep for printing for people.

Point in case - aside from the fact that my acetone welds look like shit, this is something I finished up last night for a client. My machine can handle detailed prints very easily, and I don't mind paying a little extra to make sure that we're working with the best resources possible.
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>>175278981
Maria Robotnik
Freedom Planet a shit series anyhow
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>>175280097
Why does he try so hard to make his art look european?
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>>175280097
I really like Hesse's Classic Sonic.
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>>175271702
Gamer:Lucky
Artist:Hesse
Writefag:?
Lewdfag: Its gotta be Omega Zuel
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>>175278981
>Be FreedomPlanet fan
>enjoy the first game
>Joined the community and gave my thoughts on it
>get bashed on by speedrunners and to mod happy british guy
Welp at least the game is great.
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>>175280883
>caring about what speedrunners have to say
Come on
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>>175280119
You sure do like 3D printing, don'tcha Anon? That's pretty neat. I did a little bit of rapid prototyping for some college coursework. It's quite the delicate process.

Even after the poll is done later this evening, I'd still like to see what Rafa herself has to say on the subject. What catches my eye is the note on her commissions site:
>If the model is for animations or games,
(Which this totally is)
>the base price may vary depending on how it extend the production of the model. But the new price can be negotiable, depending on the case.

When anon gets back with his draft of the email to her, we can all look it over, make sure we're all on-board, send it to her and see what she has to say. She is the artist, after all.
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>>175280595
>OmegaZuel
Why anon why
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>>175280883
The fuck is wrong with those speedrunners?
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>>175280883
First game was shit. It's buggy and the dialogs are a massive cringefest.
Speedrunners are speedrunners, they see game differently and are able to detect all the flaws in mechanics.
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>>175281551
Judging from speedrunners glitching through Generations, they find and exploit these flaws, right? Sounds pretty autistic.
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>>175281385
>You sure do like 3D printing, don'tcha Anon?
It's a hobby I've only recently gotten into. Most of my work is prop and costuming stuff but I'd like to turn my hand at figurines, hence Bump.

>It's quite the delicate process.
Not as much as you'd think. I'm pretty ham-fisted and I tend to get decent results out of ABS. For figurines I'd want to print in PLA - much more stable, less prone to warping and curling, though I seem to have solved that issue.

>>>the base price may vary depending on how it extend the production of the model.
If it helps any, I'm not interested in producing models for profit. I know well enough how maddening it can be to see your work used for somebody else's gain. I just want to make cool shit for /sthg/ - I already owe ABT a model.
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>>175281448
I dunno. Maybe because of the text?
The art can be pretty hit or miss but I prefer it over Zeta's works.
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>>175281550
The mod SuccintAndPunchy really really hates yankers/americans.
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>>175271702
favorite /sthg/ gamer - none
favorite /sthg/ artist - Yoto
favorite /sthg/ writefag - none
favorite /sthg/ lewdfag - kinda torn apart between Argento and MarTheDog
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>>175214072
I swear to god if they make anyone gay.
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>>175271702
>/sthg/ gamer
Who the fuck is there to even choose from?
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Hate keeps me running.
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Post ending in 0 decides who dies in Forces.
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>>175282216
It's just Boom, calm down.

Unless the Boom world already has everyone gay.
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Is Knuckles' backstory any less retarded post reboot? I'm dealing with Penders' bullshit right now, on issue #36 following this guide.
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>>175282376

Sonic's reputation.
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>>175282376
Sonic.

>>175282414
It's basically just the backstory from the games.
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>>175282136
>kinda torn apart between
Maybe chosing a GOOD artist would help.
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>>175282216
A) They're just gonna play some episodes of Boom. Control your autism.

B) Sonic's already gay.

>>175282376
Classic Sonic.
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>>175282582
>MTD
>bad artist
I don't get this meme
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>>175282238
Theres a couple that often streams for /sthg/ @ times On twitch. Picarto, Youtube, hitbox and Beam. Though I can only think of a few that actually contributed with Sonic related streams as of late. If you look back in the previous gens of Sonic you could see a couple users who dedicated their time to Sonic.
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>>175282376
Silver
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>>175282376
Green Hill Zone
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>>175282376
Shadow
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>>175282376
Eggman
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>>175282376
Froggy.
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>>175282376
Amy
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>>175282376
(You)
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>>175255713
I don't really follow her much, does she even do models of fan characters?
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>>175271702
>gamer
Don't really follow the streams.
>artist
Either S-Dash or Toby
>writefag
TodaysPassenger
>lewdfag
The HornedKing gave up Sonic and Saltcore hasn't been around in ages, so Yoto wins by default
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>>175282376
Shaow
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>>175282376
Knuckles
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>>175282376
SEGA.
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>>175283201
Whoops, Shadow*
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>>175282376
The Chaotix
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>>175282376
Sonic Team
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>>175282376
Eggman.
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>>175282376
Vector, Charmy and Espio
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>>175271702
>gamer
>writefag
>lewdfag
/sthg/ has those? Since when?
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>>175282696
He's shit, son. In terms of art and personality.
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>>175282376
Wisps
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>>175282376
Omochao
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>>175282376
Infinite
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Speaking of all these projects and shit, what happened to that talk of making a Bump/Sage coin?
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>>175282376
The fanbase.
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>>175282376
The new character
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>>175282376
Yuji Naka
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>>175282376
Everyone except Sonic, Eggman, Tails, and Knuckles
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>>175282376
Your console/PC due to a game-breaking bug that permanent bricks it.
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>>175282376
Everyone. It'll be the last Sonic game.
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>>175282376
My hope for 3D Sonic actually getting better.
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>>175283514
Since 2010's general when they start popping up with Streams of Classic/DS/Sega DreamCast Sonic games, and many others before the year 2009.
Hell 2002 was the year of the lemon for Sonic. So much erotica is written way back when Maria X Shadow was fresh.
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>>175282376
Anything Classic
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>>175282376
ur mum
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>>175283950
I guess Sonic dies

....For the 4th time in game series supposedly.
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>>175283950
The way the question was worded, it sounded like they meant people that posted here specifically.
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>>175282376
/sthg/.
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>>175282376
Pontaff
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>>175282376
Trans Bubsy
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>>175282376
Jet
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>>175284250
Thank GOD
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>>175284250
At least it was no one important.
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>>175284250
Thank you
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>>175284085
Wait 4 times?

How did he die?
I only remember the Space Colony Ark Capsule and Sonic 06's ending.
Does Sonic Generations count as "dying" but not?
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>>175284250
But he and the other Babylon Rouges are already dead. The Kinect killed Riders.

This was wasted.
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>>175284250
No
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>>175284250
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>>175284091
For the general? Hmmm seems like it. I only remember that Lottory dude who won that $90 off a scratcher, the anon who is working on that 3D project playtest and another anon working on a sketch.
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>>175284250
Good.
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>>175284250
B-But he's my favorite birb around.
Better Sonic Rival than Shadow.
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>>175284250
Now Wave will be all mine!
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Why haven't you /sthg/ hacked your 3DS games and play all of the Sonic Classics, Advance and DS titles for free?
3ds.guide
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>>175286092
I don't own a 3DS.
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>>175286092
I did yesterday.
I'll probably download Fire and Ice at some point just for the sake of it.
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>>175286092
I can just do that on my Laptop. Hell, I already did it with my phone.
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>>175283643
The last thing we talked about was choosing a sketch for it. He hasn't shown up after that.
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>>175286092
I'd say emulators, but I'm pretty sure 3DS emulation is still ass.
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>>175285918
CAW CAW CAW
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>>175286092
Because I can do that with emulators on my computer, 3DS Sonic games are uniformly crap, and the 3DS' screen size can go fuck itself.
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https://twitter.com/wbs_tvtokyo/status/856845106346827776

I wished there was a Dinosaur Mobian in the Sonic series that isn't a dragon or a croc.

Like a Trex with amazing strength and power but a bit dimwitted.
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>tfw was unable to check the general and missed all the interesting discussion
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>>175288015
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>>175283643
Oh shit, I completely forgot about that
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>>175288015
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>>175288257
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>>175288257
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>>175284250
A character I solely hate because of his voice.
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Man I can't wait for the next arc. Looks like the comics might finally be getting really good again.
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>>175288741
Jason Griffith is a terrible Voice Actor period. He is a bad Shadow. He is a bad Sonic and he is a bad Jet.
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>>175281551
the bugs aren't even gamebreaking though, and you can completely ignore the dialogue

as far as core gameplay goes, it's pretty fun in my opinion

I didn't enjoy Spark The Electric Jester quite as much, but it was alright too
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>>175289101
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>>175289058
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>>175289058
Any word from Archie about the cancellations of the series yet?
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>>175289058
Y-yeah! Keep looking forward to it, anon!
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>>175289058
Anon, I...
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>>175289058
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>>175289058
Why are we here?

Just to suffer?
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Elphelt is literally human Amy.
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does mighty's personality change at all in the reboot? I know they simplified a lot of backstories but it seems like everyone, personality-wise is the same so far
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>>175289645
Does she wield a hammer?
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>>175289743
No but she has a shotgun that's just as ridiculous, overpowered and annoying.
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>>175289697
No
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>>175289645
Then who's best girl?
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>>175276961
>>175275554
I'm not sure she's counting on the commissioner providing a refsheet like this in her prices. It would nake her work easier, so maybe we could negotiate a bit?

In any case, and this is personal preference, but I'd rather we included other pictures as references too, since I think she's cuter in other artworks and would rather she looked more like that, rather than a carbon copy of ABT's refsheet.
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>>175289101
An actor is only as good as their director allows them to be.

The 4kids voice directors didn't care about what they were doing. They didn't give a shit about doing Japanese franchises justice. They just did their job with minimal work effort because it's for children, so WHO CARES?

The current director, Jack Fletcher, is one of the greatest of all time. Worked on a lot of big-name stuff like Final Fantasy X/XII and Studio Ghibli films. That's why the cast is better than it's ever been, for the most part.
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>>175290094
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>>175290094
Jack-O is a combo of Vanilla and Cream.
Cream for her Child personality, Vanilla for her Aria personality.
Her ghosts are Chao.


Also >best girl.
Objectively wrong. Human Blaze is best girl.
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>>175290343
>That's why the cast is better than it's ever been, for the most part.
The Adventure cast was better, RCS is particularly annoying in the games.
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>>175290318
Sure, that's viable. There's a huge gallery of Bump-related media for her to go from, it's just that having a reference sheet makes a HUGE difference when modelling. I've never been able to do truly freehand work.
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>>175289101
Stilllll better than Ryan and his excessive shouting.
And much better than Roger, even if that goes without saying.

Also (you)
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>>175290587
As someone who enjoys the Adventure games, I disagree, desu.
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>>175290318
Oh, of course she needs other references. She needs a color palette too, which ABT's drawings don't provide. I'm just saying, as someone who's done a little bit of 3D modeling, having an orthographic view of whatever it is I'm trying to model is a godsend. This sheet will be one of the more important references for her, but will in no way be her only one.
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>>175290318
>giving multiple different designs as reference

I don't think that's a good idea. If you have issue with a detail or two then you should just point it out and add it to the sheet.
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>>175290576
That's not human Blaze, but I excuse you for your nignorance.
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>>175289645
>>175290094
>>175290576

Cease.
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I say we give Rafa reference for Bump that actually makes her look like a Sonic character. ABT makes her look too much like a generic furry.
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I usually hate when people make polls for everything, but I need to know.

http://www.strawpoll.me/12851717
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>>175290859
I was going to say that Kokopuffs is just Rule 63 Tails but Tails already exist in Blazblue.
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>>175290587
Note I said for the most part. Sonic is the only miscast I can see, and it's important to note he wasn't originally going to be Sonic anyway. They tried to get Ryan back, at first. Though there had to be better people than RCS. He has never, ever done a voice even halfway close to the range Sonic requires.

Also, RCS was forced to spit out some of the worst dialogue this series has ever endured. If the casting was low-budget and they grabbed whoever they could like in SA1, it would at least have camp value to it. As it stands, it's just awkward. An A-class cast with a D-class script is never a good combination.

Aside from Sonic, the director is to blame for the acting not fitting the characters. Remember when Amy sounded like Minnie Mouse? Travis Willingham is more than capable of doing a harder-edge, less retarded Knuckles.
https://youtu.be/_UHTE1oRXnA

As well as Kirk Thornton with Shadow.
https://youtu.be/381Y374vbYY
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>>175290859
>>175290576
>those two
>human Blaze
WRONG
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>>175290996
>ABT makes her look too much like a generic furry.

How so?
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>>175290996
I think she looks Sonic-y enough, and I'm assuming Rafa will give it the SEGA treatment if asked.
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I still can't get over the fact that the voice actor for Knuckles via 4Kids did Night Shift Nurses English Hentai voice work.

"NOW CLUCK LIKE A CHICKEN!"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2IwGEa1gDZo
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>>175290996
I'd assumed the ABT pic was the best red we had. If there's a better one on the booru, go grab it and post it.
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Who the fuck is Rafa?
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>>175291963
Overrated fanartist.
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>>175291963
Rafa Knight. They did renders for the Archie covers and cockteased us with Sally models for Generations and Bunnie models for Fighters.

>>175292795
Oh /sthg/, I bet you say that to *all* the artists...
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>>175293125
Don't lump me in with his contrarianism!
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>>175293125
>Oh /sthg/, I bet you say that to *all* the artists...
Not all. Dreamcastzx1 is not even worth to be called overrated.
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>>175278224
19 votes so far. That's about $8 from each one for the $160 option.
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>>175278224
>Implying any of the tight buggers in here would put a single cent towards it
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>>175294652
Nigga if it's 8 bucks a person I totally would
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>>175294190
Sounds pretty reasonable to me! Plus, it seems like the HD option is what we'd be doing for anyway.

So step 1 is getting in contact with Rafa and telling her exactly what we need: two versatile models for the purposes of gaming, animation and rendering.

Step 2 is getting information back from her regarding cost and making sure she has all the tools she needs to make a model that befits the characters. After all, Bump and Sage have had many different interpretations, much like Sonic himself.

Step 3 is coordinating how we're going to get the funds together in the most risk-free way possible.

Step 4 is continuing to coordinate with Rafa. This is likely different from how her usual commissions work because she's not making a model of one person's OC with a distinct look and visual style. She's making models of 2 characters who have been interpreted by many different artists. This means that coming up with a unified design that pleases the most people could be difficult.

Step 5 is getting the models and then going nuts! Rigging, posing, animating and, for some of you I'm sure, lewding.
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>>175296051
I feel bad for Printbro, he might feel like his thunder's been stolen if Rafa agrees.
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>>175296172
>>175276961
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>>175291813

I think everyone at 4kids must have done at some point. I found one with Jimmy Zoppi, and apparently there's one with Veronica Taylor.
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>>175296172
Didn't Printbro give his blessing above since real work had eaten all his time?
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>>175242817
Riders concept art?
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>>175296451

*done some hentai work, not that specific dub necessarily
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>>175285918
Dont worry, guys. I got this
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Alright. I'm gonna go get dinner. If someone wants to take the helm and get in contact with Rafa tonight, or whatever, I say go for it. When I get back from dinner I'm going to work on the actual level, so I'll leave things to you to decide who's going to lead the charge for Bump and Sage's glorious rise to 3D. After all, I've only been here for about a year and even then my attendance has been spotty. This is a job for someone who truly cares for these silly little OC's. I have faith that they'll get the job done right.

Peace.
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>>175297127
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That Archie e-mail should be going out any second now.

Any second now.
It's coming.
Any second.
Any second now it's coming.
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>>175296172
Not at all. As >>175296478 said, real life has taken up my free time. Looking for better jobs, working hard at the one I have, and filling up my spare time with commissions to try and make a little extra on the side. I feel bad for saying it, but unpaid work like the Bump figurine has taken a seat for a moment so I can get myself stable.

Setting up a print and producing models isn't so time consuming. I can split a model up, put it on the printer, and have something done by the time I get home from work. It's the pre-work going into it that's the big one, since I never really get the time to sit and produce the assets needed to print things. The Halo 5 Recruit handplate set I posted up earlier is an exception since it was paid work, but 'free' work like the Bump file I just don't have the time to sit down and work on.
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>>175297439
It's not coming.

Just like the comic.
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Are there any significant orange foxes with brown hair in the comics?
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>>175297996
What? You mean Fiona?
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>>175297127
If I foot the entire bill will my name be part of the credits to the thing your making?
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>>175298205
Fiona is red and brown.
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>>175288015
tried to fix it because i'm bored
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>>175298675
smoothed her out a bit
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>>175298370
Not him, but if there is credits to it, I'm sure they could put you in them.
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>>175296051
>>175297127
Alright here's the draft of the request for Rafa so far:

Hello Rafa,
I wanted to know if you would be open for two model commissions. These models would be used for gaming, rendering, and animation purposes. Character and color references for each are linked below. If you are available for these projects, please let me know so we can discuss details regarding production and pricing. If possible, could you also share an example of the differences between a low-poly model vs. a high-poly one? If you have any questions, or require additional details or references, please let me know and I’ll be happy to help.
Thanks much,
[REDACTED]

Bump the Deer
Model Reference: http://imgur.com/a/H3Z1C
Color Refrerence: http://imgur.com/a/nI8Uk

Sage the Sloth
Model Reference: http://imgur.com/a/d7Bs4
Color Reference: http://imgur.com/a/M6MVd

Going through the Booru, I've noticed that there's no really solid pics to use for color references of the two. I wonder what it would take to get S-Dash or Rik to make colored versions of the model sheets.

PS: No word back yet from ABT on adding to the Sage ref sheet. I'd considered contacting him through his Discord, but I doubt he made it just so people can pester him about commissions.
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>>175301480
He should get back to you soon! :)
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>>175301662
You're a blessing, you wonderful anon.
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>>175289189
Damn, I loved Freedom Planet more, but somehow I enjoyed playing Spark more.
I don't know how to explain this though. I know in FP I liked overall it better, but in Spark's case there was something in it that didn't let me stop playing until the three modes were beaten. It also felt somewhat fair even though it got really hard in the third playthrough
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>>175301480
That's actually a pretty bad color reference for Bump. Makes her colors look a bit washed out.

Try this one instead, then just say the boots are the same color as the shorts.
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>>175301480
>Naked Bump and Sage
I-It's not l-like I want to see Bump walking in to bond with Sage while she is showering
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>>175301480
How bout this?
>>175210418
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>>175302264
>>175302508
>>175210418
Noted. Sage is pretty standard across all interpretations, but I wasn't sure if people preferred brown hair/gold fur or red hair/tan fur.
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>>175303059
IRL deers go between the two depending on the seasons. Tan/brown for the winter, then it gets a bit of a rusty red tint during the summer. Hence why they're called red deer.

Brown is fine though. Maybe like a slightly reddish brown.
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How about a lewd 3D Bump/Sage for SFM?
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>>175303658
>Lewdenizing Bump
>In SFM at that
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>>175304043
I don't understand why people hate SFM for lewds
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>>175304043
Is this the rumoured Meme the Parakeet?
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>>175304394
It works better for realistic people than cartoonish people/animals.
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>>175304556
Tell that to the horsefags.
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>>175304816
But anon, how do you think I know.
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>>175304816
The heck?
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I wouldn't mind having a bump avatar in second life....
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God damn, I just got home and there's so much I missed.

>>175301480
This: >>175302264

On the other hand, >>175302508 is actually one of my favorite Bump/Sage pics, along with pic related.
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>>175298370
Fucking madman.
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Why did our /vg/ team die /sthg/?
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>>175302508
>>175306687
If the consensus continues, I'll update the color refs to those pics. If not, I'll just put it to a vote.

Refs aside, what about the rest of the email?
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>>175308005
What?
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>>175308005
You're free to start it up again if you want.
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>>175308005
>wheredoyouthinkweare.flac
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https://youtu.be/xr8wS4By55A
The Dr. Robotnik line wasn't in the Japanese script of Generations it seems.
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>>175308085
Should we include the fact that the circles under Sage's eyes are supposed to be bags and not fur color? While it's not too big of a deal in 2D drawings, I'd imagine it'd look significantly different in 3D.

I personally think it would look generally better if it was just fur color.
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>>175308638
I swear to god I remember playing the PC version in Japanese, and Tails said "Robotoniku!" or something.
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Have you ever seen or read a Sonic crossover thing and genuinely enjoyed it?

Hard mode: no SMBZ.
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>>175308638
Literally the only reference ever made to the name Robotnik was when they had "Robotnik Empire" in Eggman's threats to the world in SA2. Even then, his relatives were simply called "Maria" and "Professor Gerald" in Japanese.
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>>175308638
Funny thing, in the English script, Classic Tails refers to him as Eggman up until that one point.
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>>175308085
The body of the email is clear and well redacted, I like it. Do you have any experience with 3D models? Could be useful to handle the details she might give or need.

I posted my opinion on the refsheets >>175290318. Maybe we could mention that we mean them to be styled like Sega characters like another anon suggested?

If this looks like it's gonna go somewhere and there's someone responsible helming the project and I can give the money to someone that we've known for a while and can trust, I would like to contribute money too (I really really really hate dropping my anon mask... but our stupid mascots have really grown on me).
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>>175308963
Fanfiction. One with Sailor Moon (which I don't even like) and another is it's own board.
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>>175307643
what this
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>>175309170
>Maybe we could mention that we mean them to be styled like Sega characters like another anon suggested?

But what specifically does that mean? The only differences I see is Sage's hands and feet not being gloved/shoed. And why anyway? It's not like this is official.
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>>175308963
Worlds Collide
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>>175310531
>if you're around, I know nothing bad will happen.
does getting cucked count as something bad
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>>175310531

Archie: Challenge accepted.
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>>175310714
Only in the preboot, which this isn't.
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>>175310770
being preboot amy was suffering
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>>175310714
I don't think you know what the word cuck means.
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I'm sad boys my boy paul just got iced

what do we do when we're sad /sthg/
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>>175311501
Especially when you know Sonic dated most of the female Freedom Fighters.
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>>175309170
>Do you have any experience with 3D models?
I do not, hence why I was waiting for GHPA or Printbro to give feedback before sending it on.

>Maybe we could mention that we mean them to be styled like Sega characters like another anon suggested?
Was planning to when it got to the discussion and details stage. I typically keep first contact short and sweet so as to not overload the artist with details right at the start.

>there's someone responsible helming the project
GHPA has done well so far, if a little too eager for input on minor decisions. I think he's got a good head for this.

>>175309170
>I can give the money to someone that we've known for a while and can trust
I don't know how much weight it carries (if any), but the redacted part of the email is TC. If it puts your mind at ease at all, I'll also be contributing funds as well.
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>>175311501
God I want to read Archie just for Blaze and Silver appearing. Though recent news and the grim future turn me off
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what controller are you going to play Mania with
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>>175310245
I'm not sure how to put it, but given the varying styles for them it sounds like a good idea to set a general direction for the models to go, so that the end result isn't exactly like any one pic and instead takes from them and gets them closer to official style, which I'm guessing is a good ground to aim to be given the lack of a definitive style otherwise. Not saying we change Sage's hands/feet in any way though, if that wasn't clear. However, we'll probably need to reach consensus on how many spikes Sage has on her feet and hands. I'm not sure if it's a good idea, but maybe we could ask about two versions of the hands?

In the end, the thing is I'm uncertain how good a model would look like if it was very heavily based on ABT's refsheet, like it'll probably happen if we just hand her the refsheet. But I don't want to be selfish or an entitled brat about the project, which is everyone's, so it's up to you guys now to decide what to do. I'm not gonna bring it up again.
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>>175312204
I'm tempted to get a Genesis USB controller.
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>>175311967
Yeah, I'd probably drop my pants I--I mean mask for you faggot.
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>>175311967
Looks pretty good to me, man. I would maybe mention how these aren't your own personal OC's and that they're the mascots of the general? Just a little background for the sake of posterity. I dunno.

>>175312225
I think going the Modern-Style would be fitting for both of them. It should also be noted that, looking at her other commission work, it would likely be most efficient and comfortable for her to work in that style as well. She seems pretty adept at translating OC's to the Modern style.
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>>175310531
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>>175312652
>>175312225
>>175310245
The commission info does say it's fine to translate characters from one style to another, so just mention that the characters should be Sonic-style and that we trust her given her experience.
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>>175312840
Basically, yeah. While I'm not as familiar with these characters as some of you are, my vote is that these 3D models look like they fit in with the rest of the official cast. That way, when the time comes, they can be modded into Forces and have it look like they belong there.
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>>175313072
N-no mod for Generations?
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>>175312110
Should anyway. Their arcs are solid on their own.
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Bump is a slut.
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>>175312204
same way I played the sonic 2 and sonic cd rereleases

feels so wrong but feels so good
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>>175312828
Classic Amy is a gem.
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>>175313143
Well, yeah, obviously that too. I'm just trying to work it into Forces to build hype.
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Speaking of commissions. How much for something by Ravnic?
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>>175313326
Who?
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>>175313326
http://www.furaffinity.net/view/21859604/
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>>175313326
Too much.
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>>175312828
>"Yeah! Not bad, not bad at all!"
i chuckled
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>>175313143
That goes without saying.

I might MIGHT also have a surprise for you fags if the models end up going well.
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So, uh, is the new season of sonic boom done yet? I wanna see who they brought in from the games
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>>175314364
No and no other game characters have shown up yet.
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Man, after so long and so many attempts, it's gonna feel good to finally have a Bump model.
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>>175313703
AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

WHAT A SHITTER!
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>>175314587
They fucking lied to us.
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>>175314627
And we get a Sage model to boot.

Am I the only one finding it hilarious that while the comics are dying /sthg/ seems to be producing more content for itself?
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>>175313326
Its probably in your best interest and ours. To put forward for the 3D Bump and 3D Sage
Lewd is a + but its optional.
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>>175314587
They're saving it for the last episode, aren't they? I can't keep watching a mediocre show so often
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>>175314903
>tfw was considering writing some writefaggotry bullshit just for old time's sake a few days ago
What the fuck is happening here
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>>175315463
In the darkest times, humanity starts to shine.

With archie dying, diligence starts to rise
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>>175314903
It helps with the pain.
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>>175315463
What kind of writefaggotry?
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>>175315661
I just need to get the rust off, so nothing crazy. Was perusing the writefag idea wall for a muse of some sort.

Y'all need Jesus with some of these lewd requests.
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>>175314903
I don't mind that /sthg/ creates more content. But I would like to see more action in the Sonic gaming scene.
Whose's your favorite Sonic Youtuber/Twitcher?

Is it a shame that I used a save state against Egg Robo as Knuckles for Sonic 2 even though I got all the Chaos Emeralds?
Should I stream a clean run instead?
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>>175315802
Can I request a non-lewd idea?
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https://youtu.be/viS7b5TDDXk
SONIC
ADVANCE
3
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Do you guys recommend readinc pre-reboot Archie?
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>>175316019
Shoot. At the moment I'm scrapping together a non-Sonic modern fantasy thing, but hey who the fuck knows.

Please keep in mind I mostly just play the video games and haven't gotten around to sitting down and powering through the comic.
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>>175312652
>>175309170
Alright, second draft:

Hello Rafa,
I wanted to know if you would be open for two model commissions for the mascots of a Sonic the Hedgehog fangroup I'm working with. These models would be used for gaming, rendering, and animation purposes. Character and color references for each are linked below; the intent is for them to match the Modern Sonic style. If you are available for these projects, please let me know so we can discuss details regarding production and pricing. If possible, could you also share an example of the differences between a low-poly model vs. a high-poly one? If you have any questions, or require additional details or references, please let me know and I’ll be happy to help.
Thanks much,
[REDACTED]

Bump the Deer
Model Reference: http://imgur.com/a/H3Z1C
Color Refrerence: http://imgur.com/a/ySPFp (with slightly reddish-brown hair)

Sage the Sloth
Model Reference: http://imgur.com/a/d7Bs4
Color Reference: http://imgur.com/a/M6MVd


>>175314903
>comic lands on death's doorstep
>frequency of game news steadily increasing
>ABT starts pushing boundaries
>drawfaggotry on the rise
>/sthg/ throws itself headlong into a full-blown project
I don't know who's got the monkey's paw but this was a pretty interesting wish.

>>175315802
The drawfag idea wall is even worse.
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>>175315362
That's pretty much what they did last season.
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>>175316179
Currently, on issue #41 and I absolutely cannot recommend it even though I'm a Sonic autist. Your choice, though.
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>>175316179
Yes. It may be non-canon but it still had good stories.
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>>175316179
Yes.
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>>175316189
Oh, ok, mine was deeply rooted in comic stuff
>>175316179
If you have the patience to do so, absolutely
>>175316321
What did you think of Mecha Madness? Who's your favorite character so far? Least favorite?
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>>175316179
>ywn help sticks take her spats off
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>>175316179
There's a handful of gems but you have to sift through a lot of shit to get there. Mostly though it's good to understand how bad the comic got that someone like Ian is considered a living Jesus.
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>>175316450
Mecha Madness was neat. Favorite character is probably Knuckles, even with Penders' cancer. Least favorite is probably Tails honestly, he's such a different character early on.
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>>175316220
Sounds perfect. Print that shit.
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>>175316179
It's had some good stories, but there's a ton of shit you have to go through.
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>>175316179
I recommend reading all of start to finish myself. Powering through the worst makes you appreciate the best and all that. I know that's not for everyone though, so I present 3 options:

Start at #0: You'll get it all, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the beautiful. Not for the faint of heart.

Start at #160: The start of Flynn's run and a major turnaround in quality. Referred to as the golden age of the book. You'll be lost on some references and plot points, however.

Start at #252: This is where the reboot happens. Almost all of what came before is discarded and a new continuity rebuilt. Still solid, but general consensus is that it doesn't quite live up to the Golden Age.

No matter what you choose, use this reading guide to keep yourself on track.
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>>175316609
Okay, here's hoping you'll still like Knuckles even after how bad things get for him

Tails only gets it worse. It doesn't get better for him until the reboot
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>>175315560
>>175315597
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>>175316220
It's literally all because of what I've been saying for the past year and a half now. /sthg/ has been infested with /co/fags since thread 400 and almost every single one of them are the type of person who literally cannot accept another opinion, nor do they care about the games.
It's a shame that the comics are dying but at least now the general is finally starting to get back to what it used to be and feel like in the early days after the ride but before the /co/ invasion. I just wish we didn't lose a vast majority of our old write and drawfags along with our original posters as the cost of this bullshit.
I also wish it didn't take the literal death of the comics in order to drive these faggots out of here.
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>>175316712
/sthg/ has been a comic general since literally the first thread, and the only reason why we don't discuss the games is there's jack-all to discuss unless we get a newcomer.
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>>175316220
>The drawfag idea wall is even worse.
Please, how bad could it-
>Thunderbolt masturbating with her electical impulses, half pain / pleasure, powerful orgasm.
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>>175316712
>/co/ invasion

anon please, it's been too of a good day for this shit.
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>>175305695
DON'T YOU DARE
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Honestly we should just nuke the idea walls and start from scratch. Too many ideas are throwaway ideas done as flavor-of-the-month shit or by people who may not go here anymore. If an idea is legitimately popular then it'll just show up on the new wall.
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>>175317054
As a gamefag, all of the ideas in the wall are based on the comics, so I'm indifferent to them. Maybe there could be game and comic sections? Maybe divide ideas by continuity?
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>>175316220
I-it's happening? pic related
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>>175316792
>>175316939
I should specify that I mean people who literally came from the /co/ board for the express and specific purpose of shilling/shoving the comics and it's characters in everyone's faces.
I'm alright with Comic discussion, I like them myself and have discussed them. But a vast majority of the shitposting here is the exact same type of shitposting and shit-flings you find on /co/.
I will also dare to say that almost everyone who has a strong anti-draw/writefag on here and the people who were producing that atmosphere before were from /co/ because that is, again, something found rampant over there.
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>>175315830
Just do it like this guy does.
https://youtu.be/HLkR86lzsgg
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>>175250686
I know you already said it's not your chart, but why are the Babylon Rogues considered shit?

It has been years since I played the Riders games (excluding Free Riders), and I don't remember them being at least annoying, boring or bad. Actually, I used to main Jet in the games even. Is it because Free Riders happened?

>>175284250
W-well, Storm is there, at least.
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>>175317362
You're forgetting all the classic shitposting as well. No side is innocent in this.
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Here's a fun Idea, how about we, the Sonic General redesign the sonic casts?

We can decide to choose the best parts on each of the design through both concept art and the final designs.

Like from an example for Sonic
>Base Body - Short and chubby Classic, Tall and Sleek Boom
>Head - Mowhawk Satam, HENTAI QUILLS Modern
>Torso, Scarf or no Scarf
>Limbs - Sports tape, Blue arms?
>Hands -
>Feet, SOAP shoes,
>Other accessories - all Adventure gear, Backpack,

After the voting i'll draw the final outcome from the results.
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>>175317384
This is physically painful to watch.
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Why the fuck are there so many namefags in the thread right now?

>>175317613
No.
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>>175317362
>I should specify that I mean people who literally came from the /co/ board for the express and specific purpose of shilling/shoving the comics and it's characters in everyone's faces.
So shit that never happened because we talked about the comics all the time regardless.
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>>175317362
I'd also say a fair bit of that came from /v/, who found their way here during the Party
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>>175316712
There's been shitposting here since the early threads, and it will be back even if the comics are done for good. I wish it didn't, though, I don't miss that shit one single bit.
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>>175316321
Damn
>>175316339
Oh
>>175316427
Alright, guess I'll read it then
>>175316450
>>175316559
>>175316654
Well, fuck. Then again, I watched the entirety of Yugioh Arc-V and read all of Homestuck. I can handle in between shit just like I can handle terrible endings
>>175316542
;_;
>>175316693
Wow, it IS pretty long. Guess I'll shove it in my phone someway since I can't see myself sitting on a table while reading the entirety of it in my PC
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>>175317712
Because there's a lot of anon's doing things here.
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>>175317618
outside of the music and the hypercam, looks kickass to me
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>>175316087
That reminds me something.

Someone is creating a fangame which it takes Advance 1's entire content and revamps it. The best part about it is that it's not dead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SykSXQVKUd8
https://sonicadvancerevamped.tumblr.com

Aside from nitpicks, I really like what I'm seeing here.
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>>175317804
The good part of the comics pre-reboot is it does eventually get better, it just takes years for that to happen.
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>>175317712
Confluence of different anons that have different projects going. But yeah, it is mildly annoying.
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>>175317613
It was cute the first time you posted your drawing alone, but now with that added discussion you're just trying to get attention.
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>>175317613
The cast is honestly fine the way they are. I don't desire redesigns, even in a "what if" sense.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wEzTIA-omg&t=0s
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>>175316627
Alright, cross your fingers anons.

>>175317362
>>175317549
>>175317758
I'm no fan of shitposters here, on /co/, on on /v/, but what's happened, happened. Pointing fingers at this point doesn't change the past and isn't conducive to the present threads.

>>175317804
>watched all of Arc-V
Another fellow from /a/rc-V? Why is there so much overlap between Sonic and children's card games? I'm convinced that there's another sanicfag in /dlg/ as well.
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>Tfw I missed the completely non-subtle GG discussion.
Fuck you guys.
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sometimes there a post requesting OC's we made when we were younger. I thought I actually didn't make any but then I remembered I did create some, although they were slightly different from the sonic template but you can see the influence.

These are a recreation, I threw away my old drawings years ago. I even tried to replicate the style.
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Is the Freedom Fighters REALLY that much of a lose if the comics get officially cancelled? They are completely irrelevant to the franchise and most of the general fans have forgotten them.
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>>175318389
I am convinced that from the 5 or so people in that general at least 3 are here as well.
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>>175318628
The Freedom Fighters specifically not really, but the comics as a whole are a loss and the Freedom Fighters worked well as Sonic's supporting cast so that other game characters could get out from Sonic's shadow.
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>>175318389
>childrens card games
yugioh was my shit. I want to get back into it but word around is every season after Yugi is hit or miss in regards to actual dueling. Arc V supposedly has circus shit that takes up more of the show than the actual duel
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>>175318389
Because when Arc-V ended and left a hole in my heart with what could have been, Konami turned the Pendulum Evolution I was gonna get into a booster pack due to maximun jewing. That coupled with Link announcement turned me off from playing till july. As such, I resorted to old platform games I loved or whatever could substitute it.
Sonic Mania was announced and would be released soon, then I heard of Forces, then I searched for fangames and this general mentioned Freedom Planet and Spark the Electric Jester, then they posted pics of Sticks, Blaze and Rouge and now I'm pretty much into Sonic and guess I'm slowling becoming a furfag.
And yeah, I'm pretty sure there's someone else in /dng/ that also likes sanic.
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>>175318628
The FFs are not the only causality if the comics are cancelled. It's the one media that lets the other game characters have any relevance in years and interesting plotlines.
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>>175318628
A character doesn't necesarily need to do things to be likable, that's the beauty of writting.
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>>175317712
Bad time huh.

>>175318048
>>175318156
That's fine, I thought it would be a little fun side activity for the general. if it went slow..
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>>175316220
>"oh, what fangroup"?
>yfw
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>>175318628
>irrelevant to the franchise
They have no impact on the games, no, but the comic IS part of the franchise. Losing them is losing characters that made up a significant part of nongame media back when the franchise was still young. Fans from back then are now your oldest, usually your most diehard fans now.
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>>175318938
Meh, the comic staff already knows about us. Even got a shoutout from Aaron.
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>>175318389
The overlap happens because Sonic and Yugioh were cool at the same time for the same kids.
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Story Time
>Enjoying the Sonic series very much. I can't help but feel the limitless potential for Sega/Atlus/Aksys to collab on a 2D sprite based Fighting game featuring the Sonic Cast from the games. As another thing I wished is for the creators of the Archie characters Sally, Bunnie Rabbot, Antoine, Shard, and Nicole along with the cast in the fighting game which in the same style of Blazeblue/Guilty Gear/Persona 4 Arena Ultimax.
I reserved email from Sega saying they show interest in discussing about a future title with the Fighting genre in mind but as of right now it is not in their focus. They go on to telling me to look forward towards Sonic Forces and Mania. I have yet to receive word by Aksys/Atlus regarding such.

The story above is a lie and I just put it out there for discussion.
Whats your take if a Sonic title could be going back into the Fighting scene if its were in this style?
https://youtu.be/ENxZxePMjhk

Who would you want to compose the music in it? Maybe using music from the previous games maybe? Remixes?
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I just want Archie to release Overdrive, until it gets released i don't give a shit about what happened with the main comic.
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>>175318938
Literally every single person who has had at least some impact in the Sonic franchise on the US coast knows about us now.

E621 artists know about us too.
We are a lot more popular than what most of you think desu.
Given probably not on the same popularity as /fgg/ where companies are giving them clear shout-outs but a lot of people know about us regardless.
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>>175318782
Actually, 5Ds duel writing was pretty good (compared to plot writing that goes downhill after the second season)
Zexal's duels are simpler and mostly focused on summoning, protecting or evolving their boss monsters. It does have its moments and combos though, but not so much. By the last seasons we can see although they still do that, they need to use convoluted strategies to win.

Arc-V added Action (Deus Ex Machina) Cards bullshit. The duel writing in the first 50 episodes is pretty good, with duelists going back and forth with and some without using action cards. For example, the rival used meta-viable strategies at that time to summon 3 powerful monsters overall wasting only a single card with the whole combo. Sadly, the duel writing after that starts going downhill. The protagonist becomes far more overdependant in Action Cards to win and as if that wasn't bad enough, plot gets stale. Then, after the 100th episode, the writers stop caring for good and shit on everything it once stood for
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>>175318389
Like this?
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>>175319040
Most of the oldest, diehard fans only care about Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, and Eggman with the occasional Amy.
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>>175318628
People always focus on the Freedom Fighters disappearing if the comics go away, but really that's not the tragedy of the situation. The real loss is the game characters (especially Amy, Knuckles, Eggman, Team Chaotix, etc.) having hands down the best characterization they've ever had, not to mention certain Sega characters (Mighty, Ray, Hooligans, etc.) being treated like they even exist. Gamefags lose a LOT more than FFfags ever will.
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>>175319250
/fgg/?
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>>175319064
>>175319250
I'm just playing, though it'd still be super weird for me.
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>>175319309
The oldest diehard fans are the ones who grew up with the cartoon and comics in the first place, genius. The recent wave of "Genesis characters only!!!" shitposting has been people who only got into the games more recently, within the past ten or so years.
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>>175318628
the comics dying means SatAM elements and characters are no longer kept alive for nostalgias sake. I wanted the comics to be alive so I could have some vain hope that sega would add them to the games so that they wouldn't fade into obscurity. They were just as much part of my childhood as Sonic himself.
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>>175319250
>E621 artists know about us too.
Okay, now I'm curious.

>>175319404
Fighting Games General. I'd like details on that too.

>>175319289
5Ds sucked after the whole plot had to be rewritten because SEX CULTS
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>>175319435
>The recent wave of "Genesis characters only!!!" shitposting has been people who only got into the games more recently, within the past ten or so years.
If they're even fans at all. Sometimes it's just shitposting for shitposting's sake. See: why Global 15 exists.
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>>175318628
It's not a large loss, but it is a big emotional loss to the comic fans.
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>>175319602
>Okay, now I'm curious.
There's like a page full of Bump pics on e621, including a few that I don't think I've seen on our booru before, so there's a few "what's this character?" "fan mascot from 4chan" comments.
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>>175318628
I won't miss the Freedom Fighters specifically (they, along with the other characters like Lupe and Naugus, are unfortunate artifacts from SatAM who do not hold up very well as actual characters, despite the attempts to flesh them out and make them fun), but I do enjoy a lot of the originals introduced in the reboot (Razor, Eclipse, Von Schlemmer) and don't mind the loss of the FFs as long as we get new, occasionally-appearing fun characters like those around.
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>>175319435
I've been a Sonic fan for almost 20 years and don't give a shit if they leave. Although, maybe that's because I preferred AoStH and the OVA.

Either way, the FF aren't going to put a dent in the franchise nor fandom if they leave. They're only around because SatAMfags can't let go of their long dead show. (That got cancelled because everyone wanted to watch Power Rangers)
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>>175319128
A Sonic fighter will never happen in our future anon. We will probably die and so will Sonic.
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>>175319942
>I've been a Sonic fan for almost 20 years
That puts you in the second generation of Sonic fans, not the first.
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https://youtu.be/9I8TTf5B00w

Imagine if Sonic had one tho
>>175320047
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>>175319476
Considering Sonic Team doesn't give a rat's ass about them, they were never going to appear regardless.
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>>175319902
>tfw thought I could maybe find a few new ones I hadn't seen before
>tfw it was obviously not the case
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>>175320153
Being "second" doesn't invalidate my point. Only a minority really cares about the FFs and SatAM. It being gone will not devastate the franchise and fandom.
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>>175320443
That's changing the goalposts though. You claimed the oldest and most diehard fans only care about the Genesis-era game characters when that simply isn't true. Whether they're we're in the minority or not is irrelevant and changing the subject.
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>>175320425
ITAMFJJR
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>>175320443
No one said it ever would devastate the franchise. And it doesn't matter if it's a minority, mate. There's still gonna be some Sonic fans that's gonna lose something that they've followed & enjoyed for years, & that sucks either way.
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>>175320602
W-what?
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>>175320729
IS THAT A MOTHERFUCKING JOJO REFERENCE?!
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>>175320574
Because most of them really do. Are you really going to see widespread heartbreak from them if SatAM's corpse is finally put in it's coffin?

>>175320603
Yeah, of course there are going to be some people outset, but acting like babies over it isn't going to help things.
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>>175319902
>tfw Bump & Sage never took off like Tide and Rock and you're glad for that
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>>175320893
So people saying it sucks that people are gonna lose something they enjoy is acting like babies? I don't even care that much for the FFs, but you're being stupid right now.
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>>175319929
I think characters like Bunnie and Rotor could be more fun if their actual characters were fleshed out more (I was actually really enjoying how Rotor's personality was turning out, if only because having a cynical git was a nice contrast to Tails' childlike optimism)
>>175320893
Not him, but while there isn't widespread heartbreak, I have seen a few people who aren't even comicfags get really sad over the loss of the comic, mostly because they liked the game cast, and the comic let characters like Shadow and Knuckles do shit besides be cheerleaders. I think those are the people that will be the most upset
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>>175318628
I would be less upset about losing the Freedom Fighters (though still upset) than I would about losing the comics as a form of Sonic media itself. The comics allowed for side characters to have plots, arcs, and character development with relative ease since, you know, they aren't six digit or more budget video games with little time or resources to waste on giving Knuckles more backstory or fleshing out Eggman as a character.

If we truly lose the comics (which it really looks like we're about to) then we lose a medium for story telling. To which I'm certain there are no doubt folks who don't give two halves a fuck about story since they're here for going fast, and I understand that. I'd still be a bit salty since after the comic goes away, it's more likely than not the SEGA will never bother with anything in this vein ever again. All we'd be left with is fanfiction, webcomics, and smut in terms of more story focused Sonic related material.

>>175319128
Sonic the Fighters is, in fact, a thing. It is also one of the most fast paced and lethal fighters I have ever played, only beaten out by shit like Samurai Shodown and Divekick. It's in the Sonic Gems Collection as well as on the PS3's PSN and Xbox 360's XBLA, the latter two having online multiplayer (that require the console's paid subscription, but yeah). I would love to see StF streamed by Team Spooky or some shit, just as a joke tournament or something.
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>>175319128
A new Sonic fighting game should simply use the Battle combat system as its base. No need to fix what isn't broken. Battle worked great for Sonic because it allowed players to go all over the battlefield fluidly chaining attacks together.
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>>175321102
>>175321105
This. I don't mind the FFs, but I wouldn't exactly be heartbroken if they went away. However, losing a form of media that allows the characters to do things beside being cheerleaders, have fun dialogues, & develop as characters fucking suck. The characterization of Knuckles, Sonic, Tails, Eggman, Amy & many other characters in the comics (post-reboot at least) was some of my favorite versions of the characters, & I would be kinda sad to lose them.
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Am I the only one who wants to see a Sonic fighter done in the style of the Namco Bandai games? Fast-paced third person fights in huge arenas with destructible environments, simple controls, flashy finishers, a Sonic X artstyle. All that sounds great to me.
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>>175321505
>3D fighters
>simple controls
Pick one.
>Sonic X artstyle
Yes, you are the only one. That sounds like shit.
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>>175321714
Hey. That sounds nice to me.

>>175321505
I wouldn't mind it, so long as we get another Sonic fighting game again. It's been way too long, imo.
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>>175321714
The Sonic X art style wasn't bad, just the animation was cheap.
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>>175321505
I'd rather not because those kinds of games usually are completely broken in terms of balance and typically make Single player a grind to extend the game length.
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>>175321505
>>175321714
"Sonic X artstyle" just means emulating Uekawa with North Korean sweatshop animators.
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>>175321997
It was shitty. Everyone went through the same cookie cutter design style. It was just as cheap as the animation managed to be.
>>175322138
Only 3 teams were Korean and Uekawa only created that style because it was basic and easy.
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>>175206330
Not gonna lie, I use to imagine them having wild lesbian sex as soon as that door closed
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>>175322138
Okay, fine. Just take the Uekawa style then. Forget X. That's really what I was trying to get at anyway. I just think it'd be cute to do the Epic Mickey thing with Sonic's spines where, no matter which way you look at it in 3D, it'll always look like 3 spines.
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>>175322285
Where's a drawfag when you need it?
Honestly it's not even that hard to write

Also Julie/Lien-Da hatefucking when?
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>>175322285
That title card doesn't help really.
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>>175321102
I agree on Rotor. Rotor is cynical, pragmatic, and kind of a chilled-out coffee fueled mess with daddy issues. As you said, it contrasts with Tails well, as well as the rest of the cast, and I personally find it enjoyable.

I think my main problem is that while the FFs...sort of...have characterization, a number of them don't really have a clear personality, or at least a fun one. Sonic characters are fun. We didn't like them because they were developed. We liked them because they had fun and cool personalities.

I can say Knuckles is a hardheaded dude who loves to punch things, or Shadow is a brooding badass who prefers to get straight to the point. Those are cool. Meanwhile:

Sally is...a leader...who spends a large portion of her time giving people plot details (same for Nicole), and the rest of the time crying about how she sucks at being a leader. She's not a particularly enjoyable character. How do I sum her up? She definitely has depth, but depth doesn't cover for the fact that I don't particularly enjoy her base personality.

Bunnie is very southern, and kind of rowdy. She doesn't stand out much though, unfortunately, because what little personality she has doesn't shine due to the plot carrying her around. She's got a funny accent. Antoine has the same deal, and even worse, most of their newer interactions revolve around each other and their relationships specifically. Antoine is a coward (or was a coward) and that could be amusing and made for some goofy interactions with Sonic, but even that's gone now. Accents are fine but they should supplement an already fun character (pic related), not cover for a lame one.

One of the issues is the fact that they rarely get a chance to just have fun interactions. The plot pushes them around like 24/7. It's different with characters like Pika and Honey. What sucks is that if the comics continued, I could have seen these issues being fixed.
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>>175321714
>pick one
have you never played the Ninja Storm games? takes like 5 seconds to learn
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>>175322448
Maybe it's just me having grown up watching lots of Star Trek, but the most frustrating thing about the FFs is just how easy it would be to make them at least somewhat interesting.
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>mfw the Sonic twitter still has the Mania's collector edition commercial in a pinned tweet, with the "ships spring 2017" legend in it.
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Do you think Sonic will faceplant in Forces?
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>>175322624
>Ninja Storm
>fighting games
If he's referring to Namco Bandai games then he's likely referring to Tekken and I can safely bet that 90% of this general doesn't even know what a korean dash is, much less perform it.
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>>175322448
>One of the issues is the fact that they rarely get a chance to just have fun interactions. The plot pushes them around like 24/7. It's different with characters like Pika and Honey. What sucks is that if the comics continued, I could have seen these issues being fixed.
It's even worse because that's what the upcoming issues fucking WERE. The plot taking a break for more character-centric shit
>>175322448
>Bunnie is very southern, and kind of rowdy. She doesn't stand out much though, unfortunately, because what little personality she has doesn't shine due to the plot carrying her around. She's got a funny accent. Antoine has the same deal, and even worse, most of their newer interactions revolve around each other and their relationships specifically. Antoine is a coward (or was a coward) and that could be amusing and made for some goofy interactions with Sonic, but even that's gone now. Accents are fine but they should supplement an already fun character (pic related), not cover for a lame one.
I've honestly been thinking of how to fix them, and a lot of it involves just breaking them up. It worked pre-reboot because it was built up. I think they should've taken more risks with the reboot, and that includes not carrying it over. Fuck, you don't even need to have them be a thing. Like, have Antoine find another way to be brave, or just don't be brave, keep him as a coward who still tries to do the right hting no matter what

As for Bunnie, I think it'd be an interesting idea to, instead of having the "people are uncomfortable around her/make fun of her bionics" thing be restricted to flashbacks, have that be a recurring thing. The other FFs like her, but are just kind of uneasy around her because she could accidentally break something or someone, and this leads to Bunnie being a more reserved character
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>>175322894
Yes. Sonic loves falling on his head.

He has to have many concussions.
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>>175322917
Thanks, I just imagined Shadow in Lars's body suit.
>People bitching about hedgehogs the same way /fgc/ bitches about Kazumas and Shotos
Fan-fucking-tastic.
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>>175323156
Sonic would be Ken
Shadow would be Ryu
Silver would be Dan
Tails would be Sean
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>>175322694
It really sucks that the writers were just about to do something with them in that new FF arc.
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>>175323408
Knuckles can be Balrog
>MY EMERAAAAAALDS

And Blaze can be Sakura because she's basically a hedgehog anyways. And so she can double best girl.
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>>175319309
No that's just the Classic purists trying to b8.
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>these fucking comments
>all these people mad that they would say modern Mario is better than Sonic
>"Sonic is the best. Plain and simple. Sonic's got personality, diversity, and is all around the best game character."
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>>175323627
You wish. Amy is totally Sakura.
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>>175323529
And that's why Sonic's in Smash.
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>>175323759
As in Naruto's Sakura.
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>>175323849
Nah, Amy has more personality.
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>>175320047
>>175319128

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRrc0wbz_ys&ab_channel=TheCommenter2396


>>175321105
PS3 doesn't have paid online, SONY got into the jews club with the PS4.
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>>175323849
Glad I'm not the only one who noticed how fucking similar they are. It's uncanny.
>Pink with green eyes
>Wants the blue guy's dick
>Puts on a "kawaii" persona but in reality is hot-headed and thinks she's better than everyone.
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>>175323627
>Balrog
Knuckles has far more class than that if you catch my drift.
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>>175324305
>thinks she's better than everyone.

Has Amy shown that she thinks she's better then everyone?
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>>175323759
I meant more in terms of movesets. If generic hedgehog is Sonic world's shoto, then Blaze is closer to being the girl shoto than Amy, since all of her moves and abilities are basically "modified hedgehog."

Meanwhile Amy is distinctly different than Sonic and Shadow, and heavily favors her hammer. If anything, she's a Vega without a mask.

>>175324382
Then Knuckles can be Dudley. So long as Big or Mighty get the boxer's hood.
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>>175323529
mario tended to use the same level themes over and over but at least he had a selection.

speaking of the plumber

>>175323749
I remember the 90's were the sonic vs mario debate was actually more even. I tend stay away from this sort of thing most of the time now because the mario series has not only kept up quality but has taken it to new heights.

This must be what the confederate army felt after the American civil war.
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>>175323849
I understand this comparison but I honestly find Amy way more likable, at least when she's written well. Like in the reboot Archie comics for instance.
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>>175324482
At times. Free Riders and Heroes is where I remember some moments.
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>>175323849
But Amy isn't a doormat to her crush.
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>>175325462
I figured they just stood on platforms or something.
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>>175321102
>>175321105
I've literally never read the Archie comics other than the Boom stuff recently and I still don't want the comics gone.
I think it's a shame when beloved characters get put down, especially if it's done for no reason and without at least giving them some closure. And I feel like MOST of the Sonic cast would be going this route if the comics die, not only the FF, which I still don't want gone despite knowing fuck all about them. Most characters introduced from Sonic 3 onward have gotten at most 1 or 2 games where they get to be relevant. You all know what i'm talking about. And most of those games happened during the adventure era, so I'm not holding my breath for the characters getting more screen time in the future, at least not in the games.

SEGA treats Sonic like he's their chuck-e-cheese or something, for them he isn't the protagonist of a series with a canon and a relatively consistent universe, he's just a face for their company. And I think most fans would like for Sonic to go back to having a consistent story and cast and be a real series. Maybe i'm wrong but I think most people either want it or don't care, I don't imagine the people who outright opposes it are a majority. I for once would of loved it if SEGA had retained the rights to the comics content, and we could of seen the comic characters appear in the games, or that SEGA had a focused view of the characters so this franchises's fanbase wouldn't be as split as it is.

Also fuck you >>175319128 I now want Atlus to make a Sonic RPG, but it ain't ever happening

Anyway that's a lot of opinions I just vomited right there, so I better stop. None of this even matters anymore.
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>"Today I found an ancient pamphlet of Sonic Adventure 1's presentation from my desk." -Shun Nakamura

Oh fuck, I want one pretty bad.
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>>175323849
>>175324305
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This is a copy of Sonic 06 that I got signed by Jun Senoue. What compelled me to do this I have no idea.

Don't worry. I got my copies of Adventures 1 and 2 signed as well.
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>>175325670
>BEEP BEEP Chronicles left such a bad taste in everyone's mouth, not even fans have dared to make a Sonic RPG
Wew. Even classic Doom has an RPG (though not turned based) mod these days, but I've never seen such a dumpster fire that it convinced the community to never try again.
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>yfw hearing the full versions of Red Hot Skull and Azure Blue World
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>>175325983
Reminder that Chronicles technically gave the comics a long, painful death.
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>>175313192
jesus christ MODS.
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>>175325983
Doom has MULTIPLE RPGs and at least 1 of them is official. Tho it was an old phone game so I don't know if it counts.

Maybe it's because I never played Chronicles, but I think the Sonic universe has such as gigantic cast of characters and settings and stories that it's criminal SEGA doesn't diversify more. They could probably make a lot of doe with cheap spin-off games coming out in between main releases Which is what I'll do never ever when I run that Yakuza
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>>175326205
Doom had two different phone RPGs, I've played them both. And a fanmade roguelike that got hit with the big ol' C&D, I believe.
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>>175325983
>Decides to make an experimental RPG with a series after just releasing the worst game in it's history
>picks the worst possible dev to do the job
>is somehow surprised it doesn't work out
>"NOPE, SORRY GUYS THIS CLEARLY ISN'T EVER GONNA WORK"
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>>175326493
>"NOPE, SORRY GUYS THIS CLEARLY ISN'T EVER GONNA WORK"
>tfw this is probably exactly what was said after Free Riders fucking tanked due to being a goddamn Kinect game
IS THERE NO JUSTICE IN THIS WORLD?

Also when the fuck is the next Sonic All-Stars? Those games are fantastic.
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Who even writes the Phantasy Star games? Isn't that Sonic Team too?

How comes a dev team with this quality in their writing keeps an RPG series of all things going for this long? Or does Sonic Team just decided they don't care when writing for Sonic?
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>>175326645
Sega literally throws in the towel when one game fails even though they gave it the worst setup.
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>>175326493
>>175326645
It's also why we're never going to get to play as either Tails, or Knuckles in a modern game ever again. When was the last time we did? Sonic 06 and Sonic Chronicles.
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>>175326645
Was the Riders series ever really a hit seller?
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>>175326849
I sometimes wonder if there are some limitations on the hedgehog engine that make it difficult to make levels for anything other than f4sting.

I think it's possible that since they built their engine to fix a very specific problem, they might be unable to use it for other things.

But then again the werehog happened in the very first game running that engine so i'm not so sure. I'd have to play Unleashed and see what the werehog levels are constructed like. Are they particularly linear compared to other beat'em ups?
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>>175326849
>06
>A mess of a game with a horrible story, and horrible gameplay for the other characters.
>Sega: "I guess stories and multiple characters aren't working for this franchise!"

And watch with Forces, if Classic Sonic's inclusion and gameplay blunders the game they'll throw everything classic under a bus and cancel any future classic projects because "NOPE, SORRY GUYS! THIS CLEARLY ISN'T GONNA WORK!"
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>>175326813
I've never seen a company with such diehard yet sizeable population of fans that gets shit on so hard. People want these games, just better.

>>175326973
I wouldn't know, but I always found them fun. It was a kart racer meets F-Zero/Wipeout. I literally never saw 90% of the attacks in the games because I hardly ever was not in at least a pole position.
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>>175327067
The Hedgehog Engine is just a graphic engine, not a gameplay engine.
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>>175327147
>mfw this is probably what happened after jet set radio future on the fucking OG Xbox
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>>175327306
>People want these games, just better.
Sonic fans do. But they're not the ignorant masses.
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>>175327373
The "ignorant masses" turnover all the time as people get older. Making better games is how you convert them into fans.
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>>175327341
What happened to Jet Set radio Future?
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>>175327309
But the way an engine handles physics, geometry, textures and yada yada yada can limit you on how you can build your game. Which is why SEGA created the hedgehog engine in the first place instead of using an off the shelf thing like CryEngine or Unreal.
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>>175327472
I know it had some frame rate issues, enough that people complained about it.

Sega probably heard those complaints and literally just took it as "Guess nobody likes Jet Set Radio now."
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>>175327472
>>175327564

It probably didn't sold very well being a launch title for the third wheel of the 6th gen. And notice how it was the last game of the series.

Source: My ass
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>>175327497
The Werehog was proof there is no gameplay limitations. It was drastically different from regular Sonic's gameplay.
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>>175327373
The ignorant masses forgot about Sonic. SEGA should know this.

Or maybe it's me who is wrong and soccer mom buying their kids Sonic games is truly the main source of income of this series.
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>>175326813
It's like in Tom and Jerry where Tom would try to catch Jerry with some elaborate plan and it would fail because of some specific detail and he would never try the same thing again even if it was pretty smart and it would have worked in literally any other circumstance.
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>>175327847
>>175327847
>>175327847
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