/dsg/ - Dark Souls General

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First for anon's Sir Giraffe.

>>175158539
>Parry timing depends heavily on the latency of the connection between both players.
you can test this by getting hit/blocking

There's not only predictive parries anon, there's three main categories

There's predictive, there's reactive and there's setups.

Predictive for example is roll into parry
reactive is walking up to someone and seeing him start an attack then parrying at the right time (hardest)
Setup is the easiest, safest and most consistent. It basically comes down to using the first attack to measure timing and base your parry off of that. As far as I know, it's not possible with all shields anymore against fast weapons, I think you need to use small shields, unlike in DaS where you could do setups with medium.

>>175158728
Not really.

I've won matches by simply using persevereance and mashing R1. Zero skill, timing, or knowledge required.

>>175158830
Then you were playing against a retard, and parrying them would have taken zero effort too.

>>175158737
>reactive is walking up to someone and seeing him start an attack then parrying at the right time (hardest)
This isn't hard, it's straight impossible against most weapons.
The window to successfully parry in most cases requires inputting your parry before you see your opponent attack. The only things that are reaction-parryable are like 1H ultras, and half of those have an unparryable sweetspot at certain distances anyways. After their buff, even curved GS are too fast to reaction parry.

It's not a matter of having good reaction times, it's a matter of your successful window preceding any visible telegraph across a network connection.

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This thread has now been blessed by our bonedaddy Nito!
May much calcium and strong bones help you on your journey!

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>>175158959
thank

>>175158959
Nito did nothing wrong

>>175158890
You're sounding like a retard.

Which do you think a beginner will have an easier time with? Pressing L2 and then R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1 R1...

Or trying to parry someone without knowing the exact timings for whatever weapon his opponent is using. "just press L2 at the right time bro it's easy xD"

Stop being a faggot lucy. Parrying requires skill. R1 mashing does not. Parrying exists to punish R1 mashing allowing a skilled player to shit all over scrubs.

>around 500+ hours in DaS3
>only just learned that the Gargoyle Flame Hammer exists

wtf

>>175159027
>responding to a trip
>responding to lucy

newfag please

>>175159014
Gas the dragons, great war now

>>175159093
>A mere 500 hours

No wonder

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I'm having fun playing with ledo's at 66 STR, what are some other meme builds to try?

>>175159093
>shitty hammer with bad flame surge as its WA
no wonder

>>175159093
>obscure shitty weapons as rare drops from sparse enemies in a short zone that aren't worth fighting
Welcome to souls design

just fought one of those frost hammer things and it applies the frostdamage even when you dont get hit

nice meme

can someone help me with gwyn on pc?

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>>175158959
Based nito

>>175158928
>The window to successfully parry in most cases requires inputting your parry before you see your opponent attack
ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HebtulqF41iLC4jQQHyKejrReK5V9DmBdPdp9ZVHk3s/edit#gid=421385370

(60fps)

caestus parry is 8 frames of startup, then 10 frames of active, this means you need to start the parry eight frames or about 0.13 seconds before the enemy's attack hits

If we look at say a straight sword

R1 has 32 startup frames, which is about 0.5 seconds

lets say average reaction time is 0.25s (this goes to about as low as 0.1s, but that's exceptional imo http://www.humanbenchmark.com/tests/reactiontime )

taking into account latency, lets say 100ms

that would mean you have a delay of ~0.25s before you notice the attack, you press the parry button, which is delayed by ~0.1s, after which it takes ~0.13s to come out
That's a total of 0.48s, while you have about 0.5s.

Reaction parries ARE possible on faster weapons, but very hard. You basically have to be very aware of minor movements and ready to parry at all times

>>175159317
it only applies a debuff to stamina regen if it procs during a roll

>>175159436
Also reduces defense

>>175159027
you don't really need to kno parry timings if the idiot is just spamming R1, and you usually only need one luck parry to win.

Spamming R1 at me will only get you killed. Since I know timings and spacing, and I can just count how many times you can swing before you run out of stamina.

>>175159405
I seriously doubt you can parry a SS consistently.

Prove me wrong, jump online on PC and I'll throw out R1s randomly and see if you can parry any.

I'd be surprised if you can parry a single one desu.

>>175159547
That's assuming that your opponent is R1 spamming and yes, you do still need to know the timings to some extent because it is contingent on what parry tool you're using.

>>175159638
my reaction time has gone down quite a lot. I seem to be at about 0.29 now, which would mean at 100ms ping I'd have about a 0.0133 second frame to get it right.
However, take a more optimal scenario, lets say you're a korean fighting another korean at about ~40ms ping (which is pretty high for koreans) and your reaction time is ~200ms.
That would mean there's a much MUCH larger window to do this right

I'm not saying it's reliable.
I'm not saying it's easy
I'm not saying it's something reliable
but it is possible

if you still want, we could try some r2 tests, though I'm not sure how well I'll do. Gotthard R2 seems to have a 40 frame startup, I think that should be doable
Also, curved gs are 48 frames startup, that's 0.8s. That seems very doable

If you're interested and in EU, give me a pass & meet me at pontiff. If you're in EU, I think the latency might be too high

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>>175159180
>he wants to gas dragonsis

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>>175160186

>>175160186
>no wings
>dragon
sure thing, argonian

>>175159191
Hex/pyro, int, faith, luck, quality, highDex, beacon, bow-only, doors, etc.

>>175160112
I'm in the UK.

I have about 700 hours in DS3, several thousand hours in the series since DeS and I have never seen or experienced someone reaction parrying a straightsword.

I'm not saying it's impossible but it must be extremely rare. Like you would have to have superhuman reflexes and alertness, have a flawless connection and probably have consumed large amounts of caffeine.

>>175160402
like I said, it's unlikely, but not impossible, it does require a few of the things, but not all of them
A good connection and a very attentive person is basically all you need.

especially with 40 or higher startup frames like SS R2 or curved greatswords

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Broadsword or Longsword for 1H?

>>175160494
I was speaking about the R1s. I can see how reaction parrying the R2 is possible.

Is there some footage somewhere of some japanese or korean pro reaction parrying SS R1s?

>>175158734
I feel like he should be holding a coffee mug, like that one Iron Giant reaction image.

>>175160519
Longsword, Broad is short, even for a SS

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Ok which one of you was this

He was lagging pretty bad too which just made it even funnier.

>>175161032
>SS + BKshield
kys yourself

>>175160908
If someone could edit that, it'd be hilarious. I don't really have the MSPaint skills to do in less than half a century.

>>175161101
If it makes you feel better I usually use Hawkwood's Shield or the Stone Parma. I really don't play passively enough to justify the BKS.

>>175161183
>Hawkwood's
That's acceptable. I wish that thing had been a WA shield instead of a parry shield.

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Dragonsis build ideas.
Pls.

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>can easily shrek Midir within one to three tries, even without Mercury cheese
>it still takes me the better part of an afternoon to beat Gundyr, Friede or Bad Santa
Why are they so fucking hard? They just never ever stop attacking.

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Don't mind me, just posting the best KF/most finished/most polished fromsoft game

>>175161297
Get a bloodlust, IRL and use the WA many times.

>>175161378
Maybe your spacing is bad?

Most of the humanoids get easier once you get a feel for their range and know when you can stop rolling and just let them flail around

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>>175160676
it aint exactly what you want
but here
https://youtu.be/i6qa7aptE1Q?t=33
this is semi average players on the ideal connection. which I assume takes away ~100ms worth of delay, so you could achieve the same with a ~50ms lower reaction time & ~50ms lower ping

I don't know how to look for people testing reaction parries, the only thing I found was this https://youtu.be/-aY9rBjMupw?t=74
Which is either a 34 frame startup or a 44 frame startup, I'm not sure
Depends on whether or not you have to add the L2 into R1 cancel frames to the L2->R1 startup frames or not

I can't think of any way to measure ping between players directly, even using CE.
There's a lot of info you can grab, but I don't know if you can grab ping
I would ask zullie but I'm not sure if he's willing to test online shit
I'm not even sure if you'd be able to grab the data out of dark souls
You might need to work directly with the data coming in and going out and calculate using that

Does sacred flame scale with your stats? or does it do a set amount of damage based on your pyro flame?

Why do the DLC2 weapons seem to have such massive phantom ranges? Paired GS, Crucifix etc all hit you from over a meter away (from the actual weapon) with certain attacks. People don't seem to be lagging otherwise, so what gives?

>>175161871
they just have huge hitboxes

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>>175161871
Paired GS I understand, I've never had Crucifix phantom hit me before, and that's saying a lot considering it's a halberd weapon.

The banner has some fucky hitbox detection, as well as Ledo's sometimes.

Idk mang

>>175162494
Yeah I figured that was it. The range was too consistent to be a product of lag that didn't manifest in any other way anyway.

Why did FROM give them such ridiculous hitboxes? The Paired GS isn't even in some kind of borderline area; the poke has a good extra meter outside of the visible model. I don't necessarily find it too much of a hassle to fight again, especially since it's just a FotM weapon, it's simply not fun.

>>175161871
If you hadn't noticed, fromsoft gave themselves completely to the phantom range meme with the DLC2 patch.
They adjusted the ranges on a lot of various weapons and didn't list it in the patch notes. For example, the painting guardian's sword now has more range than the Carthus Curved Sword. The former had its hitbox extended more than twice the length of the blade, while the latter no longer has a hitbox at the tip of the weapon's model. This is just an example, but most weapons had their hitboxes adjusted so that there's almost nothing aligning closely to the model anymore.

I guess things are technically more balanced now, but weapon ranges are super counterintuitive and something you just have to learn via trial and error.

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>>175162632
>while the latter no longer has a hitbox at the tip of the weapon's model.

well that explains a thing or two
I picked one up yesterday on the way to getting murakumo and it was dogshit

>>175162632
>I guess things are technically more balanced
having everything be the same isn't balance. The PGCS should be much shorter than everything else, but also do the most damage and cause bleed like in 1.

>>175163003
>do the most damage and cause bleed like in 1.
But that was the gold tracer

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>>175163074
PGCS is also buffable

>>175158607
at what SL should I host a FC if I want players above SL125 to be downscaled?

>>175163246
I think the range is +-20, so 100

are there any weapons where the hollow infusion is the best on a quality build?

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Why is 3 lacking so much in paladin fashion, Give me my leeroy set back.

>>175161645
Pretty interesting.

Thanks for the info.

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What is it called when ears stick out of the hair like this? It looks so damn adorable.

>>175163430
assuming you still go 30-35 luck, probably weapons with bleed.
corvian great scythe and warden twinblades did work for me.

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>>175162632
>the painting guardian's sword now has more range than the Carthus Curved Sword
But why?

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>>175163542
Being an elf.

>>175163542
Why the censor bar?

>>175163246
105 I think, assuming red soapstone uses normal soapstone rules

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>>175163542
>>175163686
?

>>175163673
Because it's used by a DLC NPC and so needed to actually be functional in the hands of an AI with no conception of spacing and barely functional pathing.

>>175163636
Nah, low luck

I just noticed that with 40/40 some weapons with the hollow infusion almost had more AR than the best infusions for that weapon

>>175163797
on that, im not sure, but it would still probably knock the bleed/poison damage up on certain weapons.

>>175163750
>daddy's favorite
>when she was cast away for eternity at the end of time in a (pretty at least) city with manlets,At least she was sleeping the whole time

>>175163779
That's bloody stupid. Do those NPC really had to be painting guardians?

>>175163871
hollow infusion has no effect on that
>>175163797
heard about brigand twindaggers doing that. don't know about other, just check mugen

>>175163995
It had to be something using existing assets, so one way or another something was going to get a stupid range buff.

I don't know if you've realized this yet, but the whole spear of the church fight was made as an excuse to phone-in a bossfight. Fromsoft had a 4 bossfight quota and enough time to maybe make two good ones. Their solution was to make 1 good one, two mediocre ones and then slap together a 4th by recycling things they already had in place. Autosummon tech worked from Aldrich Faithful, model assets were all recycled from ingame equipment, etc. The only new thing they had to make was the design of the 'spear' particle used in the new spell. If they hadn't used painting guardians, they would have used something else, and something else would have been buffed to function in the hands of a barely working NPC AI

>>175163797
Some weapons interact very poorly with heavy/sharp/refined for some reason, but not with hollow. IIRC, twindaggers and drang spears both sucked with every infusion but hollow before the patch, and hollow is probably still their best infusion now.

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I'm going to make a str/fth build, is Paladin Yorlin a good name?

>>175164294
What I don't get is why Filianore was protected by a fucking Painting Guardian. How are they possibilty relevant to the Ringed City or Filianore herself?

What if poise worked the same way it did in DaS 1 but with higher or more balanced breakpoints, and HA worked as bonus poise and worked with all weapons, but a much lower effect for smaller weapons like daggers, curved swords and straight swords and a higher effect for larger weapons like UGS. GHs and GAs?
I'm not saying give the SSs the ability to tank 2 UGS hits, the HA granted to the smaller weapons wouldn't be enough for that.

Also tie equip load percentage to stamina regen and rolling distance or maybe I-frames too, so that it isn't useless to not be in heavy armour.

>>175161297
Dex/Int mage with Friede's.
It's awesome.

>>175164512
Yoren sounds better.

>>175164513
>dark souls 3
>lore
Just give up m8

>>175163494
Short answer: Gay and pointless.

>>175164512
ask your brother

>>175163494
Alva
Firewitch
Knight
Silver knight
Try it, learn it, love it

>>175164294
>If they hadn't used painting guardians, they would have used something else
How about burial knights with spears? There is no reason for the painting guardians to be there, they just guard a fucking painting.

I just finished DS3 for the first time and now I want to try a pyro build. Should I respec and do NG+ or start from scratch?

>>175164972
respec and do NG+

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>>175164907
>tfw i use firewitch chest but use outrider helm, silver knight gauntlets and sunless legs

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https://www.reddit.com/r/darksouls3/comments/67u31m/infinite_free_respec_glitch_works_on_console/

Holy shit

I know its plebbit but HOLY SHIT

>>175164972
Start a new character.
Pyro is kinda wonky in that it's neat and fun until you access your big endgame nuking spells, and then you become an untouchable god who 1-2shots everything from a safe distance with bland projectilespam.
If you start on NG+ with every spell already unlocked, you'll just end up waltzing through the game using 1 spell and dumpstering everything without any kind of involvement.
Starting a new character means you actually have some reason to use various spells before you get the steamroll ones.

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>>175164972
It would be quicker just to respec, but might be more fun to start fresh.

>>175164745
Go away Patches

>>175165097
>reddit getting it patched with their retardation
It was nice while it lasted

>>175165309
I thought support for the game ended?

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>>175165097

>>175165309
I hope memeahacki considers this one of those fun skips he isn't going to patch, like the tree jump on top of Firelink Shrine.

>>175165219
that's one slutty fashion
>>175164972
Go for another character, Pyro is a fun class to use once you finished Smoldering Lake and Catacomb of Carthus

So is Yorshka's chime still the best buff chime at 40 Faith/INT?

I'm using a Dark sorcery build and not sure if Caitha's chime is better for Dark Blade on Crucifix or not.

>>175163542
is this image a reference to a different image

i feel like i've seen it before

>>175165561
well INT doesn't affect dark blade

>>175165561
Yorshka's isn't effected by INT, and i'm pretty sure the Clerics sacred chime is better at 40 FTH.

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>>175165417
She isn't even oiled up yet

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>>175164512

>>175165706
>dark blade

what the FUCK

W H Y
H
Y

is flame arc even affected by both?

>>175165036
Sunless is ok too but the skirt is too long. Isn't outrider bluish? Anyway, firewitch chest is fucking rad, giant's 2.0. Stick any silvery metal helm and you're good to go

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Is there another boss that audibly grunts as he attacks like Gael does?

I know a couple have [autistic screeching] but I forget if any grunt with effort in a human sort of way

>>175165768
>yorlin is an actual person and not just a meme

and anon's meme organ swelled three full sizes that day

>>175165773
memehacki strikes again

yeah flame arc scales with both

>>175165836
Artorias and Sulyvahn. There might be others, especially with DS2 and its hardon for knight bosses.

>>175165773
Flame arc depends on your Pyromancy Flames Spellbuff which is increased by INT, so yes.

At 40 FTH, the Canvas Talisman has the highest FTH spellbuff.

>>175165812
The Outrider helm is kinda bluish, but the color is close enough and the aesthetics are 10/10.

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Post Dragonsis or the dogo gets it.

>>175165205
This, once you get cbv almost everything becomes obsolete. And FP instead of numbered casts means you'll be leveling entire areas with it

>>175165021
>>175165205
>>175165219
>>175165417
Thanks guys, I think I'll start fresh.

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>>175165097

>>175166206
>>175165205
If you don't like using good spells you could always use the bad spells instead of re rolling a new character just to use bad spells

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>>175166197
kill yourself of fuck off with this forced meme

scalies OUT, go jack off on the correct board or just fuck straight off to deviant art

>>175166197
knife is clearly shopped

dumb catposter

you are stupider than doge

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Posting this because no one asked for it.

>>175165408
Nah, the tree thing isn't a glitch, this is. They patched the ToD skips

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>usually struggle with demon prince
>summon lapp because why not
Lapp is a fucking god, holy shit. An actually useful npc summom.
Color me surprised

Post Dragonsis getting flattened by the Dragonslayer Greataxe

>>175166554
Looks interesting, what level are you?

not sure if this is common knowledge, but i've been doing my first ng+ playthrough, and i was having a rough time on friede. i dunno if it's just me but i have the hardest time on that boss compared to any other in das3. it's really only her last phase though

anyway, i got her scythe from the first playthrough and i'm trying a dex/int build, and spamming r1 on her basically stunlocks her, it's pretty great

>>175166805
>literally using a boss' weapon against them
I like it.

>>175166805
Fairly common knowledge but I mainly wanted to reply to tell you that I share your pain and that Friede a shit

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>>175166554
>that chode health bar

Glass cannons are always funny

>>175166805
I dumpstered her on NG+3 yesterday with a bandit's knife. Turns out she has fuck all for hyperarmour and you can interrupt literally every offensive action she takes on-reaction. Her 3rd phase was a joke and the only attack she ever managed to get off was the spinny jump and ranged black flame stuff after leaping backwards.

What's the best SL for spear of the church? I'm 97, and wondering if I should go higher.
Also how do I win against multiple enemies on a pure int build? The old moonlight does wonders against a single enemy, but I can't seem to do anything when I'm pressured by 3 or 4 players.

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>>175166805
It's a shame we don't get many easily staggerable bosses since it would further fuel the summon for ezmode meme

Often with B L A C K E D Friede I end up rolling backwards until she goes invisible then collecting my FREE backstab

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>>175166712
56 or 55 in there.

>>175167159
Soul Greatsword has a really wide arc. It's practically made for dealing with multiple enemies.

>>175167159
Int builds can deal pretty well with groups as long as at least 1 painting guardian is alive to distract the opponents.
Just snipe them with CSS while they r1 mash the guardian.

>>175159027
Lucifer's whole thing is setting arbitrary standards of "skill" that he claims to reach but anyone else who doesn't is bad at the game.

>>175167159
You need to be sneaky sneaky. Hidden body + untrue white ring to look like they're seeing an instance of another world. Shit like that

>>175167169
>rise.... if you woof....

>>175161402
You are wrong

>>175167182
Care to share your stats? I have been contemplating an assassin style Aldrichfag sorc for a while.

>>175167076
Not quite. One of her attacks has hyper armor that a bandit knife can not interrupt.

>>175167521
In phase 3? Which one. I didn't encounter it.

>>175167437
Yeah climbing out of the ground in a big glowing circle with lightning shooting out of it is pretty sneaky

>>175167437
I was talking about the spear of the church fight, but yeah, I've been invading a bit lately and chameleon into CSSS seems to be working surprisingly often.

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>>175161402
You are VERY wrong

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Does anyone want a healslut?

>>175167907
Only if she's a dragonsis.

>>175162623
>Why did FROM give them such ridiculous hitboxes?

The people who create the hitboxes and the animations are completely different.

>Tfw its near impossible to make an Indian girl with the character creator
I just want someone to poo in my loo

>>175165957
Most DS2 bosses are pretty silent but make noise with their armor/weapon (like Velstadt or Mirror Knight). I can't think of one that grunts.

>>175167907
Yeah but it's worthless outside of ganks
Probably more like pure pure fth build with lots of heal spells

>>175168180
Giant Lord :^)

>>175167907
Let me guess, you're one of those "boipucci" trap fags?

>>175168180
Doesn't Fume Knight make growling sounds?

>>175167647
>widely regarded as the worst armored core

LOL
you're that retard from the other day that thinks evergrace is a good game aren't you?

>>175167596
I think I have a recording of it. But it's an attack she does with her right hand where she raises her right had up above her shoulder and does a massive arc cleaving everything in front of her. She does it a lot in phase 1.

>>175168267
He makes those like hollow, echoing roaring sounds that are profoundly inhuman.

>>175167647
>not last raven

>>175168290
Oh, she doesn't have that attack in phase 3. In phase 1, she uses it only as a 'get the fuck off me' attack and typically saves it only for when you corner her after a backstab and try to stunlock her. I don't think she even uses that attack normally outside of backstab wakeup.

Today I finished Dark Souls 3 for the first time, DLCs not included.
What is the general consensus on Dark Souls 3 here?
I amnot quite sure yet but I know I loved most of the bosses and hated most of the normal enemies.

>>175168253
No, my char is female

>>175168525
Is she also a dragon (

>>175161645
>>175160676

From Soft tests and makes their games for glorious nippon internet. If you're a US player and you have to play against someone who lives in another state, you're already exhibiting more lag than they ever intended.

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>>175160908
>>175161115

>>175168475
Like all Souls games, it does some things well and some things horribly
Like all Souls games, it's ultimately garbage

>>175168475
>general consensus
Fuck that hivemind shit. I think DaS3 has the best combat and great bosses, but doesn't compare to the original in terms of level design and atmosphere.

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>>175168695
Or dragon form.

>>175168475

Best bosses and overall level design in the entire series. Doesn't have as great of "OH SHIT HELL YEAH" moments as DS1, nor the pvp of DS2, but DS3 is the most consistently high quality game in the series barring Bloodborne (even then, DS3 has far more variety and challenge than BB so I like it more)

>>175168759
Fuck off with that furbait you degenerate

>>175168695

The issue with the original is how fucking HORRENDOUS the level design becomes after you get the Lordvessel. It's practically unbearable in hindsight, which is unfortunate because everything through Anor Londo in DS1 is god-tier.

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>>175168818
>furbait
It's part of the game's, you retarded imbecile.

>>175168475
The genenal consensus seems to be:
>very polished / high budget , but very linear
>lacks creativity or ambition. Relies completely on DS1's ideas most of the time.
>tries very hard to pretend DS2 didn't exist at all, so much that it doesn't improve on DS2 in some ways
>overall a good game but only because they got rid of the quirks and ambitious gameplay mechanics

It's The Force Awakens of dark souls.

>>175168475
Best gameplay
Pretty up there in design, consistently good throughout unlike DS1
Worst PvP, bar none

>>175168759
All the dragon forms look fucking stupid, but DS1's alpaca is the worst

>>175168946
>game's
Who's a retarded imbecile?

>>175168946
game's lore and design*

I really hate android's autoincorrect.

>>175169060
See:
>>175169060
You and my phone apparently.

>>175169105
i really hate phone posters

>>175168695
>fuck that hivemind shit
if everyone independently reaches the same conclusions, it's not a hivemind, It's a consensus

hivemind (n):
a term used by contrarians because reality doesn't line up with their beliefs

>>175169036
>Worst PvP, bar none
How is DS3's PvP any worse than Backstab: The Game?

>>175169180
Tell my place of employment to unblock this site then?

>>175169036
>worst pvp
It's the perfect mix of unbalanced garbage and well balanced meta to result in pvp that is utterly and completely soulless and borig.

>>175169239
pvpfags usually favor DS2

rolls are too cheap in DS3, pretty much only straight swords, one spear and one curved sword are viable in the metagame, etc

>>175169212
If everyone is browbeaten and confused by a small group shouting their opinion extremely loudly and constantly: it's hive mind bullshit. Especially when new, and thus impressionable, people show up and that's all they see.

>>175169239
Because:
>No reason to wear heavy armor
>No moveset variety
>Bad hitboxes
>No way to punish ANYTHING with a backstab ever
>WA spam
>Roll spam
It's objectively the worst

>>175169416
>letting yourself get browbeaten by a small group
if you can't defend your own opinion against others, then maybe your opinion is wrong

>>175169239
Because DS1 is so unbalanced it's actually fun to exploit and fuck with.

DS3 is unbalanced enough that it feels pointless, but not so unbalanced that it makes you laugh. It's boring.

see:
>>175169353

>>175169504
>No way to punish ANYTHING with a backstab ever
Perseverance, estus sipping, some ultra moves.

>>175164513

it's a stretch, but the painting guardians are protecting you from filianore, who is keeping you from the dark soul which you need to make a new painting. but that is quite the stretch

>>175169523
I'm not a NEET with the ability or desire to spam my opinion here all day every day until it becomes "accepted truth".

>>175169239
DaS2 had the worst PvP.

>>175169807
another one for the screencap collection

daily reminder that TRC is worse than Ashes of Ariandel and the infusion patches completely fucked up the game's balance. I didn't expect them to do it but they managed to ruin DS3 at the last moment.

>>175169696
Nope, all of those still allow you to roll away

>>175169807
lol

>>175165097
But we've explained how to do this for weeks

>>175169785
right, you're a NEET with the ability or desire to spam your opinion here all day every day until you get gratification for being contrarian

>>175169807
>conversation comparing ds1 and ds2
>bring up ds2 just to start shit
Kek, classic luci. You forgot to mention how bb is immensely superior

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>>175169504
>No way to punish ANYTHING with a backstab ever
Waddup

>>175165726
WE WUZ KANGZ

>>175169883
Infusion patches were needed to fix physical infusions, but then they fucked up everything else.

>>175170025
That's just because you were playing against a braindead retard
Try backstabbing someone who rolls every time you attack

>>175169986
>>conversation comparing ds1 and ds2
>>bring up ds2 just to start shit

You failed, kiddo.

>>175169956
No. I'm a gainfully employed software engineer who posts here from my phone during rare downtimes.

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>>175170192
tfw I'm shitposting on /dsg/ from a morgue.

>>175167617
Sh-shut up...
Baka! :'-(

>>175169825
>>175169986


He really isn't wrong though. And other people were talking about 2 before he mentioned it.

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>>175170178
I really did. Woe is me. My credibility is ruined, my argument in a shambles. I will never recover
>>175170449
Put your trip back on

>>175170449
DaS2 had the best pvp by a longshot
adaptability was the best thing they've ever added
soul memory was a great idea in theory but the actual execution had some problems, still a way better system than both "Enjoy pulling the plug every time you get invaded because you're guaranteed to die" and "wait we solved twinks by making nobody want to invade"

How much does armor really matter in DS3?

>>175170146
So your definition of a punish is that when someone does an R1 out of neutral you should be able to just backstab them for free no matter what
Sounds great

It seems that old moonlights projectile damage and range is the only thing changing when charged, that makes the spell god tier for when you're chased down, because it deals huge amount of damage in melee even if not charged.

>>175170697
If you need poise, a lot
If you don't, not a lot

>>175170637
DaS2 had objectively the worst pvp, it was absolute fucking garbage in every possible aspect.

>worst netcode in the history of gaming
>cancerous metashit at every turn
>every fight had both parties with 4+ buffs

>>175170759
I was wondering about that, since it deals two hits even in short range, isn't it basically just an upgrade from soul greatsword?

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>>175170880
>>every fight had both parties with 4+ buffs
>I didn't listen to /dsg/ and instead listened to reddit and overleveled
I'm so sorry anon

>cancerous metashit at every turn
you mean just like every other souls game?

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>>175170637
>adaptability was the best thing they've ever added

I didn't think we would live to see the day /dsg/ praises ADP. Unless it's a bait I just ate.

>>175171056
>over-leveled
>DaS2

HAHAHAHAHA

>>175171101
adding a stat which roll iframes depend on is truly amazing, since it makes people who want to rely on dodging have to invest into it

if you want to be a big heavy tank dude, you don't have to level it at all, which allows you to spend extra levels on the things you do want

Anything that offers more variety is great in my book

>>175170898
Not really. It doesn't have the wide area of attack that soul great sword has, but its faster and you can hold it prepared as long as you want. On top of that it sends a projectile that does alright damage.
It's probably my new favourite spell, charged melee does more damage than CDSS, has half the FP cost and travels faster once you charge it.

>>175171056
>level mattering in DaS2
spotted the retard that never even played the game. no matter what you did, you were guaranteed to end up in the helix spear havelmonster bracket eventually, thanks to soul memeory.

and the other games have metashit, but nowhere near as many iterations of it as DaS2

>>175171303
It's stupid because everyone in the know will max it anyway, and it has no visible indicators of when your iframes end, so no one can tell when they should be attacking to roll catch you.

>>175169903
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zmGSVy6rIjo

>>175171426
Agape ring, anon.

>>175171426
almost everyone that overleveled farmed the souls, pvp barely gave levels
I didn't overlevel and oh look, I never had any of the problems people cried about in the 400 hours I played it, 300+ of that being pvp

>>175171592
agape ring came in after the game was already dead and everyone had moved on, and nobody actually used it over editing soul memory with CE.

>>175171426
>and the other games have metashit, but nowhere near as many iterations of it as DaS2

>DaS2 patched the cancer which gave way for new cancer after a while
>that's worse than other games not patching cancer for months! What do they think, trying to balance the game? How fucking dare they

>>175171720
>after the game was already dead

spotted the retard that never even played the game.

>>175171598
i never played a character over sl120 and i still ran into havelmonsters regularly

not to mention the RAMPANT sl999s with edited soul memory, which if you actually killed, would fuck your soul memory and force you to risk a softban yourself

>>175171745
Patching the meta in DaS2 was pointless anyway because of infinite respecs and matching being based on SM instead of levels. When they patched spices, for example, the meta fags just went from level 150 to level 250, which didn't even change who they were being paired against because of the way SM works.

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>>175171786
>i played the game after everyone else realized it was absolute gutter trash! that means it is still alive!
i bet you think it's still alive, you clearly love swimming in shit so much that you probably couldn't let go.

>>175171867
> i still ran into havelmonsters regularly
did you play BoB arena? because that seemed to completely ignore SM

>would fuck your soul memory and force you to risk a softban yourself
you don't get softbanned for lowering your SM to an appropriate amount

>not to mention the RAMPANT sl999s with edited soul memory,
>rampant
there'll always be people cheating, doesn't matter what they do

>>175171101
>>175170637
>>175171303

ADP is a great idea. It was implemented poorly because it was limited by dark soul's leveling system which gave it too few things to counter-weight the stat with. All they could do was pick a second stat (attunement) that also leveled it to weigh the state comparatively.

In games like Verdict Day (same people who did DS2) your dodge distance, duration, acceleration, starting speed, etc. are all individual stats that can be tweaked, so you could have a slowly accelerating but long distance dodge, or you could have a rapid twitch dodge on the same character. Souls gameplay is way too simplified (thanks miyazaki) to make use of cool mechanics like that, so shit like ADP is the best we ever got.

need help with crystal sage in crux woods

no pass/PS4/NA
level ~27

>>175172130
>In games like Verdict Day (same people who did DS2) your dodge distance, duration, acceleration, starting speed, etc. are all individual stats that can be tweaked, so you could have a slowly accelerating but long distance dodge, or you could have a rapid twitch dodge on the same character. Souls gameplay is way too simplified (thanks miyazaki) to make use of cool mechanics like that, so shit like ADP is the best we ever got.

wasn't there another aspect of the roll that was reliant on equip load in 2? like distance?

>>175171720
Sotfs had activity though and it had agape from the get go. Ds2 had several flaws, but I don't think soul memery was worst. Replaying right now, the clunkiness and general restriction of movement is far worse. Then would probably be the abysmal droprates. Which would be excusable in the way they work, having to go to higher ngs for good rates that is, if the game was actually enjoyable and not almost a chore to play

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>Spend ages wondering why there's no souls general in the catalog
>Have to track my way here through the last thread I was in
>It's a godfag lucifag fagfag meme fag thread
Fucking kill yourself dude holy shit

>>175172074
>being this salty about DS2
you're calling DS2 shit because of what it was like on release day before patches, and then claiming it was a "dead game" before the patches were released, even though it was just as active as DS3 and more active than DS1 for the first year of release

this is the same DS2 hate shitposting that idiots have been spewing for literally years. Moving goalposts about what is a 'good' game but always making exceptions for DS1 /DS3

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>>175172079
>BoB arena
nope, only invasions. structured pvp is garbage.

>you don't get softbanned for lowering your SM to an appropriate amount
i know exactly what triggers softbans, i received the very first one two weeks after the game launched and i have 8 softbanned accounts, soul memory is literally the easiest way to insure you will be softbanned.

i remember posting this trying to convince /dsg/ that softbans were real.

>>175172237
2 had distance and iframe count, but the animations (accelleration) were always the same and there was no trade off between the two. Having longer rolls didn't reduce your number of iframes.

>>175172389
Don't give her attention

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>>175172389
>actually filtering trips
Unbearable tripfags are the lifeblood of generals

>>175172681
I shitpost on /d2g/ regularly and it literally has 0 tripfags

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I decided I should play DS1 again. Is the perma gravelord mod still broken?

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>>175172525
okay, do you think anyone
ANYONE

would trade iframes for longer rolls?

>>175172520
I've done a ton of shit on two different accounts, to this day, my main account where I only did safe shit like drop trading, SM editing, etc. isn't softbunned
my alt account where I did the dumb shit like instakill avelyn ladles however is

if you lowered your SM to an amount possible when considering your SL, you won't get softbunned

did you forget to pull out your ethernet cord or some dumb shit?

>>175172148
got the help i needed, ty fampai

>>175172830
I have no idea but with the Dark souls connectivity mod you can actually honest to god get gravelorded
It happened to me, I shat a fucking brick

>>175173049
Yes, but I'd need to be on NG+ to get properly gravelorded.
I want that shit to be *pernament* and keep it during the whole game.

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>>175173049

>>175172860
I miss that goofy wizard set

>>175173219
requiring NG+ for gravelord was dumb as fuck

>>175172860
Depends on how well it is balanced. iframes don't really help you from being roll punished/catched, but distance does. iframes give you wider windows for avoiding damage so your timing doesn't have to be as precise, which longer rolls don't help with.

Twinblades / Santier spear / Spin2win meta existed because 70% rolls were too short to get outside of their hitboxes, you needed distance to avoid that.

So what kind of build should I go for if I want to use a shortsword

>>175172860
you got lucky on your main account then. but that's how it was in DaS2, this shit was checked manually and bans went out in waves, this is why offline mode doesn't save you and some of the biggest cheaters ever never got touched. one of my main actual cheating accounts is still unbanned to this day.

shit like what you are doing in that webm would never get you softbanned in DaS2, it's specifically permanent value changes like soul memory, stats, bonfire status, etc.

God fucking damn why does nobody ever respect the full stamina bar commit in PvP? it's like they think they're safe after they rolled the first 2-3 swings

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>>175173284
we all do anon

>>175173358
distance does nothing when lag is involved

>>175173489
you could also just load save backups to keep SM low
you did keep save backups right anon?

>Keep dying to Crystal Sage
Should I just kill myself lads?

>>175173606
They are.

In the VAST majority of weapons: the combo actually stops after the 2nd or third hit, and then the other guy can counter easily. They're playing properly so as to avoid reprisal via a parry or counter-combo.

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>>175173606
this was hilarious on no health knight
I could simply block their entire stamina bar, when they were about to run out of stamina they probably thought "oh this hit will stamina break him then I can riposte", after which I still had stamina to get two free hits on him

>>175173742
use throwing knives to pop the clones.

>>175173632
save backups are the same thing as manually editing when it comes to DaS2, there were a lot of bans that went out to people who only used save backups. didn't you hear about them from the reddit tears that got posted here?

in any case, you are RISKING a ban when changing your soul memory.

>>175173742
the clones use blue magic, crystal sage uses purple, kill the blue ones first

also summon eygon to distract some of them, his sign is in the room with lots of hollows right before the sage

Is nox vesta some new Reddit meme?

>>175173303
Dark Souls 1 covenants left a lot to be desired. Gravelords should have been able to affect people in NG rather than just NG+ (though a lower level limit would probably be sensible), Chaos Servants should have been able to buy Red Eye Orbs, and Princess Guard were literally nothing.

I really don't like Dark Souls 2 but I think it definitely did covenants the best.

Around what sl should I be to fight Dancer?

>>175173953
>there were a lot of bans that went out to people who only used save backups.
I highly HIGHLY doubt that

>didn't you hear about them from the reddit tears that got posted here?
"I didn't do anything but I got banned"is almost ALWAYS people who did do something to get banned

>>175173953

Save backups were safe. I literally played 1000 hours of DaS2 with backups and didn't get banned. Don't listen to reddit.

>>175174136
50-60 is a good range. Maybe even past 60 if you're really having a lot of trouble.

What sorceries are actually good? Is Pestilent Mercury worth anything?

>>175172389
Stop lying.
Filters ignore the OP.

>>175173801
post build plox

>>175173742
I die the first time I fight him without fail on new game + and up because I treat him as a total joke boss and get complacent.

Therefore if he's beaten you more than once you should immediately throw yourself from a roof

>>175174354
Mercury is good in PvE, a kinda fun PvP area denial spell that a lot of people underestimate, or alternatively refuse to go through.

>>175169029
>The Force Awakens of Dark Souls
This is accurate.

>>175162632
So is the painting sword actually good now because of this?

>>175173049
You don't know gravelording until you've been gravelorded in oolacile. 3 or 4 dark phantom chained prisoners. On a mage. Thank god for the zaphander

Anyone want to co-op on pc? Going for nameless king. Starting at farron keep, already have the gesture.

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>>175174418
vit, endurance & strang
all you need

>>175174456
I was thinking White Dragon Breath and Soul Greatsword might be good to use in conjunction with it, but I always felt underwhelmed by dragon breath in particular.

>>175173989
You mean vereor nox? It means fear the night and it was used by Rhea and Anastacia if you set her HP to 0

If I go to NG+ can I still do passworded co-op with my friend who's starting a new character?

>>175174859
yes

>>175173742
it's all about being aggro, I tried playing safe and passive but you get recked by every blue mage, just fucking bum rush the purple the instant you see him

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>>175161297
Heavy UGS. Fit as fuck.

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>>175175003

>>175173742

Everyone has a clown car boss, no shame in it. Been spanked by his rapier combo when being waaaaay too greedy.

I used to clown to great tree on newbies before memorizing the perfect combo kill.

>>175174671
Now this is a build

Anyone got a spare thrall axe they could chaos infuse and toss at me? Getting tired of hyper defensive great weapon users.

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>>175167504
Sorry for the late reply. Was cleaning up my hard drive.

https://mugenmonkey.com/darksouls3/184421

Some thing like this.

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>>175175151
a true man's build
not for the faint of heart

What's the most entertaining covenant and why is it Aldrich Faithful?

>>175175342
>levels attunement to get third spell slot
>but doesn't have a third spell slotted

>shows using aquamarine dagger
>doesn't have the dex for it
>instead wastes an extra level going for 10 str instead of 14 dex

you're a confusing dude my dudette

can you resummon npc phantoms after they die? hawkwood died trying to kill a rock lizard i had kicked off the edge and i wanted to get a screenshot of us sitting at the top of the peak

>>175175589
yes but you need to reaload the area

>>175175589
Reload the game, should appear again

>>175175656
>>175175669
reload as in bone out?

>>175171867
I was sl 80 during release and I mostly ran into 130-180sh havel mages

>>175175714
Yes

>>175174202
I'm 47, will try around 50-52, I guess.

>>175175181
Sent ;p

>>175175743
That has nothing to do with cheating, unless you actually spent your souls for leveling instead of losing them.

>>175175181
>>175176124
Ah heck, I shoulda said on PC, also if anyone could just help me transfer one that works too.

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does having an empty armor slot really cripple your defenses the way people say it does? I can't see much of a difference, personally

>>175176369
Why don't we try it out, anon

>>175176369
attaching that image was not intentional but it describes how I feel now

>Vordt's builds frostbite on dodged hits

What the actual fuck?

>all of these no-vigor builds

Is this a new meme?

>>175176369
No.

>>175176507
You can dodge proc though

Holy fuck, created a shitty miracle/pyro/dex hybrid build and it's the most fun i've had in pvp

It's far from ideal and gets shat on by many meta builds, but it's fun as fuck

>>175176507
status build up has always applied through i-frames just like it applies through blocks

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this guy has been going from smug to high as fuck faces.

>>175176507
Status effects buildup even if you dodge, as along as the enemy sees on his screen that he hit you. This is why you can also get the bleed to proc without damaging you. It's the one advantage poison has, it damages you even if you iframe the proc because it's over time. You can do the same with frost and I assume you will not get damaged but you will get the stamina and defence debuff

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>>175176369
>he doesn't play hyper so none of these shitter concepts like """"health""" and """"defense""" apply to him

>>175176761
I remember dueling at Pontiff with my 99 vig and raw dragonslayer's axe build. Got so much accusations of me being a hacker.

>>175176761
vigor is the retard's crutch, it literally doesn't do anything if you're good at the game
atleast vit gives you more options to look good

>>175175565
Are you pretending?

It's scholars in my of hand in the webm but I normally have to swap it to long sword if I didn't one shot or if it turns into a 1v1 and its long sword in the link.

Third spell is preference. Most like darts or soul greatsword. I tried darts but I feel homing soul mass does nearly the same job but better in most cases and darts is pathetic at finishing runners.

Currently I'm trying soul arrow and i really like it. Its easy to dodge in a 1v1 but it's great for finishing off runners and does more damage than my R2s. Also it's pretty good at roll catching if the enemy is busy dodging someone's r1 spam.

I'm thinking of trying to kill Midir on this character and try out his spell but seems like it would be a lot of trouble.

>>175176369
It's a big difference. No head slot reduces your defenses by flat 10% and an empty chest by 16%.

>>175176978
Oh, I see, you play perfectly against every possible build. I didn't think about trying to do that.

>>175176369
just don't get hit ;^)

>>175176369
it doesn't cripple your defenses, it just doesn't give you the flat defenses you'd get if you wore literally ANY piece

>>175176189
Spending my souls, keeping them banked, or losing them doesnt matter. Its all the same for soul memory.
Did you even play the game?

Why does the great swamp cuck keep dying.

I need her to survive to get cornyx's set. Fucking slut.

>>175177121
yeah there's your flaw
you literally only have to do one thing, not get hit
is it really that hard for you to do ONE thing?

>>175176873

Souls "PvP" lmao

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264KB, 1139x735px

>when you invade a dragonsis

>>175176761
Most of my characters have at least 27vig except for my glass canon builds

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651KB, 1280x720px

>>175177298

>>175176978
>>175177256
t. gets stunlocked and dies in the second swing

>>175176761
>new meme

What are you talking about? I'm not seeing a lot of no-vigor builds in the thread.

>>175176968
>60 levels for 303 hp
>and that's with both life and favor +3 and ember effect
for what purpose
>>175177198
Did you read the post I replied to? In the case you're the guy I replied to and are actually retarded, I'll spell it out for you:
They spent their souls on leveling instead of losing them by dying and thus were able to reach a much higher soul level than you, while staying at around the same soul memory.

>>175177256
You don't win by not getting hit.

At some point you actually have to attack as well.

>>175176968
>243 difference between 36 & 99 when unembered
>smaller difference than if you simply embered even when comparing 32 to 99

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>>175176968
build pls

>>175158998
what the fuck is the arcane scaling even there for in Ludwigs's Greatsword?

>>175177530
technically you don't, if you don't get hit, at some point the other person will quit or die or give up.
as such, you win 100% of the matches

>pvp against some poise meme with iron flesh
>throw dung pie at him
>I get toxic
>he doesn't
>just stand still and slowly die out of shame
What the fuck guys did I miss some shots some how or is 10 not enough to build up toxic on enemies?

>>175177562
>why is there magic scaling on this iconic magic weapon...????

>>175176785
Post

>>175177540
When embered, it gives you like 2k hp. Still not worth it, but can get fun sometimes.