/svg/ - Shadowverse General

Ther has to be another anime card game on Steam. If there isn't one as good as this, I'm stuck with this for now.

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Play Neutral Forest.

>>174783320
You want to play Gwent?
I have beta key if you need it.

Someone give me a good Ledger deck. It's not a meme so I want to use it.

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I miss Fly King.

>>174783453
Yes I too miss RNG the card
said nobody ever

6th for we Hearthstone-meta now.

>>174783403
>anime card game

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Post elf

>want to play dragon but don't have 3 ouroboros, 3 bahamut, 3 sahaquil, 3 sybil

>>174782771
>You didn't do shit.
I did, though. I build Midrange shadow without looking up decklists.

>you cannot ignore the fact that people have been playing various midshadow decks since day 1 of the expansion.
Yeah people like me.

>Just like how in Rob your favourite was Rune, right?
I mostly played Sun Satan and Nep.

Get fucked kiddo. You have some serious mental problems.

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>>174783551

>>174783627
>3 ouroboros
Isn't the norm 2?

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I didnt get to master for this. Fixed matchmaking when? Or better yet regional matchmaking. I dont want to play against retarded nip netdeckers

>>174783710
I don't know I just assume wallet dragons has 3 of all legendaries that make some sense

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>>174783453
Not the lord we needed, but the lord we deserved.

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>>174783551

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i caved in and crafted aggro shadow, fuck dragon holy shit
>ramp
>ward
>ramp + heal
>clear
>clear
>clear
>win
fight cancer with cancer, at least with shadow they kill you fast

>>174783885
>deleted

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>>174783749

GL→S→S→B→B→NBS→B→NGL→S→NBS→B→S→NBS→B→GL

2x GL (Class Gold & Legendary)
4x S (Class Silver)
5x B (Class Bronze)
3x NBS (Neutral Bronze & Silver)
1x NGL (Neutral Gold & Legendary)

This is how T2 draft rolls these days.

>>174783985
I lack way too many of those, kill me

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xd

fug, missed new thread.

anyways

new player here, is 4 wins standard in take two or do I just get matched with other newfags?
So far there seems to be no reason not to play t2 with all your rupies since it's not hard to get more value than 100=pack.

>>174784189
>he wants to play dragon but doesnt have 70k vials
Why bother?

>meta is so dead big sites didn't even bother updating anymore for weeks

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You can rank up in higher AAs with a tyrant deck like this

>>174783345
shit taste

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>>174784498
Game-AI still updates daily

>>174784197
Kill yourself, shadownigger.
>>174784349
Kill yourself, reddit.

>>174784189
just go with triple forte, sibyl, cavalier, baha, zell and double ouro
you save on israfils and sahas

Pre-Nerf RoB OTK Roach was far stronger than current midrange shadow.

>>174784673
Wow
You save a whopping 10k vials

Seriously if you invest 50k you might aswell invest 60k

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rate my homebrew neph deck
i wanna have a single deck for each class but i don't wanna play cancer so i just decided to play this shit deck, is there anything i could change

>>174784754
I wanna play Nep but I'm afraid of lightning blast

>>174784732
we trying to go budget here senpai

>>174784718
But you could counter it with sun satan couldn't you?

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>>174784667
xp

>>174784649
>fake updates
Nothing changes, just faking being alive.

>>174784360
3-4 wins are the standard, if you can easily win 4 times in a single run it's good to invest in T2.

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>I'm so pro guys I play ramp dragon and play board clears every single turn

At this point even Hearthstone is probably more fun.

>>174784950
yeah I love paying like 100 a month to stay competitive :)

>>174784950
>charges your face with a 1 mana 5/5 4 times in a row
Heh greetings

>>174784845
Kill yourself, shadownigger.
>>174784950
Kill yourself, blizzcuck.

>>174784950
>2 classes dominating tier 1

(you)

>>174785027
So like Shadowverse?
Shadowcraft is literally scratching tier 0.

>>174785027
What does that remind me of...?

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>>174784754

>>174784791
You truly shouldn't, nobody runs 3 lighting blasts since they tend to brick the hand hard, and 2 lighting blasts are simply not enough to deal with nep.

>>174785071
>>174785086
And the original poster somehow tried to defend hurtstone by stating it's more "fun" when it's often for you to lose at turn 5, even with fucking 30 health.

>>174784950
Nah, but stuff like Gwent, Eternal, Faeria sure is.

>>174785149
>all dead games

>>174784895
>51 shadows

Gee if only you had PtP you would win :^) thus dragoncraft is balanced

Anyone here tried to make a rune deck without Daria, Dshift or dirt cards? I only started playing in RoB so I don't know what is rune on earlier xpac.

>>174785140
>And the original poster somehow tried to defend hurtstone by stating it's more "fun"
I said "probably". I quit, back when they made Shaman tier 0, but current Shadowverse meta is just as bad, maybe worse.

>>174784718
Not even close

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>>174783403
>western shits

List of actually FUN decks to play (not necessarily super strong but fun)

Pepecraft
Nep Shadow
kys Blood

>>174785286
There are none. You could try and do a really meme worthy conjuring force snowman deck but get ready to lose to literally everything especially bahamut and dragon

>>174785352
It's funny how you shitters swallowed the whole daria shit back in RoB. Let me guess, rune main?

>>174785427
>kys blood
>having fun
? Elaborate.
Is it fun because you'll sandbag super fast and have more time to play actually good decks?

>>174785518
I play all crafts somewhat equally and from Runecraft, I mostly played dirtrune.

>>174785427
true shadow ptp

>>174785491
That's too bad, I'm trying to make a meme deck actually but even the AI's beat the decks that I'm making.

Why does it take cygames so long to patch?

>>174784754
3x Mordecai is pure greed, they love to jump into your hand and be useless there. Maybe just run 2, but it's truly up to you.
No 2378 nep dick is good without carrots. Carrots are your friends and life, grab them NOW.
3x foul tempest is too much, especially since you don't have true shadow generators besides spartoi soldier, 2 is enough.
3x sextons are completely fucking useless. Stop being so scared of lighting blasts. Spartoi soldiers are always great.
Consider grimnir somewhere, since you'll most likely reach turn 10 if you want to win.
Not a fan of thane in nep dicks, I find that guaranteed khawy drop from nep is too good to remove, but it's up to you again.

>>174785576
Maybe start running a good list and think twice before dropping your kill yourself buttons. Kys blood is a thinking man's deck, not for netdeckers.

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>>174785631
I thought 3x Morde would be good because of Lightning blast. Is this one any better? and should I keep attendant?

>>174785590
Doesn't matter. You played Daria, so your opinion is biased as hell. Eat shit, cancer of the past meta.

I miss my anomaly. 1k vials is so not worth vialing any legendary. Unless if it's lord of the flies or memefane though

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post decklists

>>174785846
>ever vialing ANYTHING you don't have 3 of
>ever vialing animated cards unless you got 3 of them

>>174785846
even lotf could actually work in midrange shadow right now, that's how fucking ridiculous that deck is

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First time seeing this card, wow.

>>174785867
alright I was baiting for you's but this place is apparently so dead I can't even get some you's. Why is this place dead?

>>174786017
What did you expect? Should we tell you you accidentally posted in the wrong general? Is that what you're looking for?

>>174786017
Because everything is shit, Shadowfags and Cygames ruined everything
Tog was a mistake

>>174785842
Don't get overly emotional on me you silly girl.

>>174785841
Yes it looks decent.
Play super defensive, use evos to trade and do your best to survive to turn 8. Bait out banishes before dropping the strongest dudes. Don't be mad when you face dirtrune.
Attendant is another one of those cards that it's up to you on how to run. I dropped the number of them to 2 when I topdecked them thrice in a row once, and since then I kind of regret it, but I'm too scared of packing 3 again.

>>174785779
Thats why I'm asking you, a thinking man to elaborate on how you have fun with kys blood

>>174786082
Anything is better than dshift

>haven guaranteedly gets 2x aegis in take2
>everyone else has to struggle with neutral leggos
>oh but they can also get those along with aegis

Explain how this is fair

>>174785983
That seems pretty bad if you are spellboosting a lot especially at 6 mana when later turns are when you need to start doing thing. Rune already has enough draw anyway, I don't know when this would be good.

>>174786125
Said the cancer who whined because her tits are no longer relevant. Better fuck off before the dragon gets you.

>>174786264
Dshift was ridiculously easy to beat though, I would rather play against a hundred dshit than 1 midshadow.

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YOU HAVE BREATHED YOUR LAST

i love playing vs Pepe decks I just will them and they concede

>>174786017
Because why should I bother biting obvious bait?

>>174786314
>Said the cancer who whined because her tits are no longer relevant.
I never mained decks that were relevant (Dirtrune), hence why this meta is so shit since I don't want to play Midrange Shadow or Ramp Dragon and everything else is garbage.

>>174786320
>tfw beating up mid shadows and dragons with my frog
:)

Can I have a (you) please? It's my birthday

>>174786430
>implying dirtrune won't run balanced dirtman

You're not fully anyone, you cancerous asshole.

>>174786493
Stop lying

>tfw when you like your deck but it has a high risk of bricking

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>>174786493
(You) can have plenty of them.

>>174786451
Pepe loses 9 out of 10 games against mid shadow, stop talking out of your ass. It is even worse than aggro shadow, because many of these faggots run Lurching Corpse and Necroassassin, so all the more chance that your frog gets killed.
t. 300+ win frog player

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What's the new aggro blood list look like?

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>174786493
Work for it

Can I have a concede?
18972

>>174786698
I guess I'm the exception then, I do quite well against mid shadow.
Almost never encounter any aggro shadow.

Guess I'm just better than you.

>>174786707
3x soul dealer 3x belphegor 3x dark airjammer 3x blood wolf 3x spiderweb imp 3x diabolic drain 3x razory claw 3x dark general 3x succubus 3x devil of vengeance 3x yurius 3x laura 1x savage hunt

>>174786886
>savage hunt

>>174784850
"fake"
If you don't have any actual arguments shut the fuck up

>>174786935
dod works too

>>174784805
No, the would just bounce your wards and 1shot you.

phantom howl is such bullshit

>>174786719
Anyone?

Post PtP decks.

>>174787071
>>174786719
Thanks Ginger.

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>tfw you get your first animated pack

>>174786446
Kinda sorta cute, for the most part.

>play pepe
>draw no pepes or conscriptions at all
well then

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I need a concede please.

38515

With 22 respondents, here are the results of the /svg/ roster poll.

-Starting 11-
[GOLD] just themis bro
(Tied with 14 votes) Alberto
(Tied with 14 votes) >turn X do nothing
(Tied with 14 votes) [ANGRY ROACH NOISES]
GURIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMNIR
DING DONG
Dork Dragoon
Ramp up and JO

-Things that tied with 9 votes
*GASP*
kys dubcuck
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
HEAR THE DRAGON'S ROAR
GLORY BE
Atomeme
sneks
-End of ties

Vagabond Pepe
I SEE YOUR WEAKNESS

-Everything past here tied with 7 votes.
Otomeme-sama
Magical Big Guy
TSUKKOME TSUKKOME
No mere duck
Really spellboosts my Oglers
le old mage of balance
>falling for the c.blood meme
You have to eat all the eggs

Anthem is Rowen's Theme.
Goalhorn would be RINGON Canyon.
Victory Anthem is the Shadowverse victory theme.

Results here: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1ITCXZ6nQuRL5vkBVk4GZ1kzeJ-t6rrxgfq8ZkBbEhW8/viewanalytics

Since there was some disapproval on the goalhorn choices as well as an oversight from me for no none of the above choices, I will be opening a poll where you can add your own choices for the goalhorn and vote accordingly.
We also need to do runoffs since there were some ties.

Runoff poll: https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSd_SCXyIKmbgeRGzFPpLjwz33AK_IcZO_M7H3bbitf1Qt9t5A/viewform

Goalhorn poll: http://poal.me/dcj4aj

Hopefully this will be it after everything is decided.

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>>174787257
>play X
>don't draw wincon
>lose

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>>174786886
That's the """"midrange"""" one.
>>174786707
Here's mine. Here's a Jap one with a 21 game winstreak https://twitter.com/ninanina3156/status/853878833765728257
Blood's perfectly playable without Meme Dealers.

>>174787314
Anyone?

How do people find all the "new" refined decks and such?
Do you all navigate some japanese sites to find those?
Say I wanted to find the current refined kys blood deck, where would I go? I don't want to always have to ask someone here to post it.

>>174787529
You can look for the name of the deck on shadowlog then search twitter with it.

>>174787529
I netdeck and steal all decks from twitter. Why use your brain when you can have retarded nips with infinite money do it for you?

>>174787529
>>174787569
>>174787573
>all these netdecking brainlets

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>>174787314
Thank you for the help fellow Luna player.

>>174787573
>infinite money
What are you, a poorfag?

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>>174787365
>Actually using one of those garbage songs for the goalhorn

Fuck off.

>>174787529
I make all decks myself and take/steal ideas from this general and from what I see on ladder

>>174787637
I got master in 2 weeks playing ramp dragon. You enjoying being a poorfag with your homebrew decks that can't do anything?

>>174787573
which twitter? do you just look for a shadowverse tag?

>>174787828
epic

>>174787743
Read, nigger.

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>>174787949

Yeah, I got to the point of the anthem listing, got mad and stopped reading so I didn't read that last bit about the run-off poll, I thought you were just ignoring everything that was said last thread before that. Already added my option to the goalhorn poll.

>>174787257
>not playing unga bunga pepe hybrid instead

>hearing the main menu song after playing the game so long with music off
Damn, it's pretty good. Makes me nostalgic of when I didn't know shit about the game and my friend was tutoring me.

>>174787257
>Conscription
No. That's a huge tempo loss that will make you want to kill yourself. Maid is a way better choice than that. Hell, even ding dong is.

>>174787130
PtP is ded baby

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Guys, I need 1 concede

64013

>>174787365
>Get email page has been changed
>Someone took my place
I hope at least you aren't an amerilard powertripping with no knowledge of footy

Anyone have the link for the tracker

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>>174788657
Thanks Arisa

>RoB Aggro Blood (+Spiderweb) vs Storm Haven in unranked
>opponent actually ragequits on me, doesn't just concede, straight up disconnects
>in UNRANKED
>vs BLOOD
Damn dude chill

>>174788657
animal ears

How does the Mastema deck work?

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http://usamin.love/card/grimnir_war_cyclone/j_enhance.wav

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>>174787365
Soccer mom better get a fucking spot. Her meme name is actually soccer related, she deserves it.

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Why did you lie to me?

>>174788993
The same way Aggro Blood does except you drop a big bad 6/6 Mastema and pray to god they don't DoD her.

>>174789015
step 1 vial all of your cards except for the dragon ones
step 2 kill yourself

>>174789015
still the best CG for newplayers

>>174789005
I might have fucked something up, hold on.

>>174789069
>still crying about 50% of WR craft

>>174787365
looking at the poll, """""midrange""""" sword and Soccer Mom also got 8 votes tying with Vagabond Pepe and I SEE YOUR WEAKNESS, just to point it out since they're not in your reply and desu Ancient Elf deserves to be on there being literally endeared as Soccer Mom
Still unsure over anthems though

>>174789150
>haha i have 10 orbs when you have only 5
>haha bahamut
>haha lightning blast
>haha grimnir
>haha saha baha zell into genesis
>haha its not my fault that nobody plays control decks anymore
fuck off, dragoncuck

>>174789015
totg ruined everything

>>174788586
Doesn't matter, I want to play around with it, not be competitive.

>>174789227
So d-shift with 78% of WR against all control deck was fine and dragon with 60%???

>>174789289
never said it was fine. i fucking hate dshift aswell and i'm glad that people don't play it anymore

>>174789030
post it

>>174789015
Are you trying to make wallet dragon?

>>174789161
Yeah I definitely fucked that.

So full roster is

just themis bro
Alberto
>turn X do nothing
[ANGRY ROACH NOISES]
GURIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIMNIR
DING DONG
Dork Dragoon
Ramp up and JO
*GASP*
kys dubcuck
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM
HEAR THE DRAGON'S ROAR
GLORY BE
Atomeme
sneks
Vagabond Pepe
I SEE YOUR WEAKNESS
Soccer Mom
"""""""""""midrange sword""""""""""""""

-Things that need a runoff (needs 4 so I fucked up my math earlier too)
Otomeme-sama
Magical Big Guy
TSUKKOME TSUKKOME
No mere duck
Really spellboosts my Oglers
le old mage of balance
>falling for the c.blood meme
You have to eat all the eggs

I'm a retard and this is why I don't play roach.

tfw want to play Nep but have no Neps

>>174789468
Neph is awful to play with is just a brick dragon without ramp

>>174789356
Yes

>dragon is the closest thing to countering shadow (still has a sub-50 win rate against shadow in aa/master records)

>shadowfags whine in thread all day long that dragon is overpowered

loving every laff

I started playing yesterday.

How do i beat the loli with the skeletons? She just stalls for some turns and slaps a 7/7 who keeps summoning Mordecai when dead. Is there a silence mechanism on this game?

>>174789662
Shadowfags also think their deck is t2

>>174789664
>Is there a silence mechanism on this game?
yes. it's called banish

>>174789662
>B-B-But Shadow!
Every time.

>playing aggro
>opponent drops Unica t2
>concede
Even if the game is still winnable at that point, I don't give a shit.
Fuck off with your garbage breadeater-san, I don't have time for this shit.

>>174789798
ayyy dragon is over power like elana

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>>174789456
Good, just hope soccer mom is the goalie. She at least should be defense.

>>174789836
t.average lunga player

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>>174789662
>shadowfags whine in thread all day long
I only ever see people whining about Chad-dow.

>>174789914
Yeah.
It's faster to just straight up concede games that'd take too long so I can go back to winning with my unga deck.

>>174789839
>dragon is weak because it doesn't have 60% winrate I swear, just look at the inferior ramp version statistics.
I'd rather face shadow any day than turn 6 Bahamuts with infinite healing. Shadow nerf soon dragoncuck, then you'll have no more excuses.

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>>174789456
and just what DO you play, then? if our defacto showrunner for the /vg/ tourney can't even play a simple deck like roach then maybe you need a second brain on board

>>174790128
Yes anon nerf Elana she should cost at least 5 .

>>174790023
Are you playing neppy ledger or full ledger tempest of liches?

>>174790023
It doesn't matter. Everyone is so assblasted they don't even think rationally anymore. Every shadow card and deck is suddenly T0. Dragoncuks are screaming the hardest to divert attention from themselves You can play a shitty Tyrant deck and still be on the same level as midshadow for them.

>>174789664
If you are facing the cpu then either go all out offense to try and kill her before turn 7 or so, or pick haven and tailor the deck specifically to fuck over shadow, try acolyte's light for a 5pp banish to instantly remove Mordecai, and Forbidden Ritual if you have it to screw over the little ones.

Nerf Elana she is overpower you can't restore your leader defense

>>174790308
I'm not. I assumed AI matches wouldn't count to the missions

is it possible to make a budget midrange shadow and still make it work?

>>174790202
Amazing counter argument, has the signs of a bandwagoning havenshitter all over it.

>ER uses illusionist now
Ded deck, ded class

>>174790554
Mid-range need echtar but you can make a budget aggro

>>174788864
Dunno, I've had people quit after I played my third spider waifu to protect my bats.
>>174789015
I didn't get a whole fucking collection within a day, took me 5 months until I came to the point where I can build literally anything, and yes I built fucking wallet dragon day 1 of Tempest because all I needed were Tempest cards, no I didn't spend a dime on the game.

>>174790591
he is used in aggro meme dirt

>>174790441
Indeed, most missions will be vs people only. Still, what I said still applies, try Haven, search your cards for the word "banish" and put some in your deck, Priest of the Cudgel being another cool guy. Wards also work, hopefully at low ranks folks won't be touting too many of the overpowered shit so if you go for the long haul you might eke out the win. Or just go all out aggression.

So how dead is forest?Does it have more than 1 viable deck?

What if there was an amulet I could play that blocked my enemy from playing any spell whatsoever?

>>174790708
not even dead

>>174790708
Unfavorable against Shadow, favorable against pure ramp Dragon.

>>174790708
Is impossible to forest die
>>174790724
d-shift is not playable anymore

>>174790598
3 copies of soulsquisher is expensive
Not to mention more cerbs
Cerbs are kind hard to replace, but soulsquisher could just be another 2 drop

>>174790708
Their new gold ward carries them right now
Roach is as busted as ever so they still win games

Forest is in a really good spot right now
I think it'll be tier 1 if they nerf shadow and dragon

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>>174784950
Play Krosmaga!

>>174790645
That's what I said. It's like fairy champion forest

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>b-but shadow can't be stopped...

>>174791087
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM

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>>174790882
The girls are cute because it's ankama, but come on anon the game is so fucking shit

>>174791176
t. guy crying about shadow constantly who is salty other people dispatch of them easily

Did the the game get actually slower in ToG? Or devs 'missed it in testing' again

>>174791224
But I play Shadow

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>>174790251
True nep420. Heath Ledger only plays a minor role.

>>174790296
It really feels weird, coming back after a two months hiatus and suddenly the mood shifted to the complete opposite.

need a concede, send help!

55113

>>174791226
see >>174789836

>>174791243
Well then you have even more reason to be salty
Were you one of the dozens of Shadows I obliterated today?

>>174791196
Its good on its own and amazing when compared with ToG

>>174791226
There are not as much blietzkrieg OOGA VAMPY HITS FACE WIN T5 games, but it's still pretty short, most game end around turn 8/9 rather than 6/7

>>174791325
>turn 5
>dragon does bahazell
Yeah, slower

>>174791257
thanks senpai

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>>174791324
>and amazing
Every game feels so fucking tedious
Not to mention the client is all kind of fucked and the servers are unstable as fuck

>healing is bad
>face is bad
>storm is bad
>removal is bad
>banish is bad
So the only good card is Aegis?

>>174791296
>salty
>over losing
do you realize the deck only has a 55% winrate for a reason
what do you think happens in the other 45% of games?
newsflash
shadow loses

>>174791516
So what are people bitching about?

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>shadow is wining against dragon
>anyone who complains about dragon is a shadow player according to them
Can someone seriously explain their train of thought here? Do they honesty believe that nobody is trying other decks and gets annihilated by Dragon? Why am I getting conveniently lumped with the Lunapedos to invalidate any claim I have? I can't fucking keep a single follower on board since turn 4 because I don't have the ability to spawn skeletons. Can't keep a single amulet either. Your only option is full retard storm and even that isn't a guarantee to anything with their healing. It's like playing against Dshift, sure it CAN be beaten, but the entire experience is pure suffering.
Yes facing shadow is just as bad, but why does it mean that dragon should be immune to any criticism? At least shadow doesn't remove my board and heals all the damage I do.

>inb4 get called a shadow player for no reason

lmao look what people in 2ch are titling their shadowverse threads now

>【調整放棄無能糞小学生e-sports(笑)プライド過剰脱糞役立たずゴミ運営】Shadowverse3533ターン【シャドウバース】

uhh shadowbabs????

>>174791650
>shadow winning against dragon

nice meme

>>174791470
>tedious
That's playing against same variations of 2 decks and up to 3 meme decks

10-20m match length is perfectly fine.

Also, they've been fixing it, unless you are ios for some reason.

>>174791692
I don't know, this is what Dragon players say all the time. They say they have a sub 50 winrate against it. Who am I suppose to believe?

>>174791679
that's a whole lot of mean words

>>174791650
So you only argument is that you can't win like an aggro deck? the unique argument that you have is muh feelings towards healing effects like shitters in DE about Elana?

>>174791679
I can't read that anon I have no idea what it says

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Post cards you think will happen next expasion:
2 - 5PP Neutral Storm card

>>174791876

You can get a pretty good picture throwing it into google translate

>>174791650
All aggro decks shit on dragon and they need some sort of boogeyman to cry for nerfs about
By all means go ahead and cry for shadow nerfs. I'll just kill you in 4 turns with blood and sword

>>174791909
2pp storm because ungaplayers need mroe unga tools

>>174791776
Believe your own experiences, not some shitty stats that rely on voluntary info given by some japs who have to manually enter the opponent's deck type

A proper dragon deck annihilated mid shadow

>>174791836
Did you even read the post?
Playing anything not aggro is out of the question. I wish I could play control or midrange but I can't. Even playing aggro, which is supposedly the "counter" to dragon isn't much better.
Who the fuck said anything about Elana or DE, stop getting triggered all the time about your amulet.

DRAGON FINALLY GETS TO BE GOOD ONCE AND ALL FAGGOT CRY I WISH I COULD KILL ALL YOU

>>174791975
What do you mean by this?
"full retard storm and even that isn't a guarantee to anything with their healing. It's like playing against Dshift, sure it CAN be beaten, but the entire experience is pure suffering. "
"Yes facing shadow is just as bad, but why does it mean that dragon should be immune to any criticism? At least shadow doesn't remove my board and heals all the damage I do. "

you only argument is "is boring to play against"

>>174791971
My only experience is getting shat on hard by both.

>>174791679
I can't find that thread at all

>>174792064
>conveniently ignoring the 2 sentences before that

Also how the fuck did you come to the conclusion it's boring? How does suffering mean boring?

>>174791940
Aggro only shits on dragon if dragon gets a bad start.

If you're playing anything besides shadow a oracle into turn three rahab, or a grimnir into a rahab, is fucking disastrous.

>>174792158
the previous setences were just a copy paste of dueling against haven.

>>174792108

https://egg.2ch.net/test/read.cgi/applism/1492951736/

It's hilarious, like 90% of the 2ch threads about shadowverse are filled with comments calling for nerfs, insulting the developers and talking about other games

This is what happens when you do literally nothing for a month, like why is phoenix roost even still under maintenance, is anyone even working on this game anymore

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>Think, Rowen!

>>174792190
>Aggro only shits on dragon if dragon gets a bad start.
That's not true. The only chance Dragon has against Aggro is getting orb + rahab and a couple Sibyls. Otherwise they're dead by turn 5 - 6. The matchup is heavily in aggro's favor.

>>174792190
>hungering horde
>keep hitting face
Go cry about shadow cuck.

>>174792212
And? I don't get what you're even saying.
Stop fucking projecting everywhere, nobody cares about haven anymore. Besides, even haven can't keep up with all the dragon heal and removal anymore.

>>174792229
Yeah I found it a second before you replied.
>insulting the developers and talking about other games
Yet here on /svg/ the shitposters will target other players as if they're the ones who decide what cards get implemented, and what craft the tierwhores will flock to.

It's all Cygames' inability to balance the game, or otherwise respond fast to obvious situations like the current meta. I don't know if they're being willfully ignorant or if they trust their playtesters way too much.

>>174791249
>ledger and spirit cycle
Hit me up with a list, I want to meme hard like you.

>>174792274
That said I've beaten Dragon with that draw before, I'm like 20/5 against Dragon with my aggro Blood deck.

Take Two is beyond fucked thanks to ToG

>>174792423
Why are you replying to cryposters?

>>174792229
I guess 2ch isn't full of completely assblasted Haven players who can't have free wins against shadow anymore so they choose to insult the devs instead.

>>174792229

For reference for people who don't frequent the 2ch threads, a few months threads used to have like ~30% negative comments but people were still showing screenshots of game states, sharing deck lists, throwing ideas for cards and decks, theorycrafting etc. Now there is literally pretty none of that anymore, it's 90% negativity and white noise

>>174792190
I've lost games where they didn't do much on first turns then Salamander into Sybil into SahaIsrafil into Israfil and it was basically over.

>>174792518
this is what happens when sword is not t1

>Only Shadow and Dragon in ranked
Such a diverse and healthy meta!

>>174792676

Stop crying havenfag/swordfag/runefag/forestfag/bloodfag :^)

>>174783435
I use

a38s

It's okay. Basically the neutral followers mean that from turn 4 to turn 7, a ledger WILL pop out a Lich. Turn 8 it has a chance of popping out Khawy instead.

I would advise against using it after that without a Nep in hand though since it can just eat her.

You might have some situations where Nep kills a Unica or Grimnir but it's an acceptable sacrifice if you get Mord on board.

>>174792676
How come I barely see shadow and dragon in arena? I tech against both of them and the shitty game matches me vs haven and forest both decks which wreck me lategame

>>174790640

>Whole fucking collection
>One deck

>>174792987

I guess everyone else must be lying about the shadow and dragon dominance, good job breaking open the fake news

>>174792987
>arena
I'm retarded. Meant ranked.
Seriously in total I've seen more sword than shadow players

>>174792742
forestfags are quietly waiting the nerfs to propel them to t1 and attract all the bandwagoners after the shadow nerfs, and shadow really is the only craft holding forest back

just look at this https://syadoreco.com/web/analytics/overview/45/0/1/0
the only craft they are below 50% wr against is shadow

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This game will be much better if Zell is removed the game. He's fucking bullshit in take 2 too. Levi looks really balanced compared to him.

is this the worst meta yet? i feel at least RoB you could tech somr cards against roach or daria but atm what do you even do against dragon

>>174793379
(you)

>>174793379
>is this the worst meta yet?
ptp forest meta existed, newfriend.

>>174793379

Yes. The game is getting worse with every expansion. It's more expensive buying the new required legendaries, there's less deck variety despite more cards, and decisions matter less and less to the point where starting hands decide the game.

Why they don't nerf dragon?

>>174793379
you simply couldn't tech against daria my friend, you were always invariably screwed if they rolled their gacha machine right

>>174793520
Because dragon players spend a lot of money on the game and cygames like money

>>174793379
>teching against Daria
With what? Good fucking luck using board clears on turn 4 while he controls the board with piercing rune,levi, wind blast and other shit
Daria was uncounterable and was way worse than anything you can see in ToG

>>174793379
>you could tech somr cards against roach or daria
That's some nice historical revisionism there friend.

wtf dragon beats me almost half the time, no one else can do that... wtf nerf dragon

t. shadow

Honestly I feel this meta is a lot better than RoB, even with Aggro Shadow fucking about.

Daria hand vomit was far worse because at the time it was it's only true counter.

It does suck though that there's no reliable deck that can counter both Aggro Shadow ramp dragon but then folks would bitch about that instead.

>>174793691

>Way worse than anything in TOG
>Shadow has literally 0 bad matchups and completely dominates most of them
>Shadow going 1 drop 2 drop catacomb has no answer at all
>Eachtar is a 10 mana legendary that they priced at 7 mana.

Are you playing a deck that's weak against sword?
If yes, then it's countermatching at it's finest.

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>>174793691
>Good fucking luck using board clears on turn 4 while he controls the board with piercing rune,levi, wind blast and other shit
>Daria was uncounterable and was way worse than anything you can see in ToG
Fuck off, dumb shadownigger.

>>174793379
>but atm what do you even do against dragon
play aggro.

you literally can't do anything against shadow though. midrange beats both aggro and control.

wtf shadow beats me almost half the time, no one else can do that... wtf nerf shadow

t. dragon

>>174793703
Shadow has a positive wr against dragon, what are you talking about?

>>174793703
Stop falseflagging Rowen

>>174793816

>the reading comprehension of (You)

>>174793260
No surprise. Shadow is seasonal cancer while forest cancer is eternal.

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>>174792676
>new to SV
>take a weeks to make a new deck after ToG dropped
>climb from Beginner 0 to D0 without any trouble
>every shadowfag I fought had a deck I could fight back
>had to fight at least 5 wallet dragons between D0 and D2
Fuck dragons.

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>>174793803

You guys remember after nerfs the crybbs bitching about diverse meta? is this a kind of a weird fetish crying about everything?

>>174793803

?

shadow has a huge lead against dragon in the records, especially at A/AA+

Dragon is just the one they have the smallest lead against compared to other decks.

>>174793591
Nah, they just vial the rest of their collection.
Cygames should nerf dragon so all those legos become useless again and people will need to spend money to get all their vialed cards back.

>>174793938
believing in fakestatistics this is obvious retards just look at haven.

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>>174783551
>choose grimnir over anomaly
>complaining how dragon and shadow ruining the game
you elfkind deserve to extinct

>>174793938

Do you even see the huge drop in post-attack win rate?

Stop using convenient/skewed data just because you're bad. It's a card game, you don't need that many braincells to learn to counterplay.

>>174793938
>believing those garbage stats based on voluntarily given info
LOL

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I need a win please

18229

>>174793794
Honestly, pepesword kind of shits on Aggro Shadow if you do it right.

Also it was a bit memey but Elana Haven put in work since it helps mitigate damage, has hard removal, and can build up credible threats if you let it.

What's this wallet dragon meme?

I played dragon before the expac and it only took ~18k liquid to update to what I wanted from the new stuff.

>>174794035
>>174794051
>>174794080
Shadowniggers on damage control.

post profile, fags.

>>174793719
>Daria hand vomit was far worse because at the time it was it's only true counter.
There's no counter to shadow but playing shadow yourself anon.

It needs the nerf hammer harder than Daria.

>>174793789
One card in one trash class isn't a counter. I bet you think Forbidden Ritual is a counter to Shadow too.

>>174793938
>Disclaimer: Please contact us on Reddit if you wish to assist us with collecting data!

Just lost the last 5 games in a row as mid shadow ask me anything

>>174793789
It wasn't even perfect counter. Every Daria with brain just put you under 10 HP and then they just burst you with Crimson sorceries and blade mages.

>>174793780
>has no answer
Ritual
>inb4 it's class specific
Revelation was also class specific and it's the only thing that worked against a full Dorothy turn 4-5 board.
>Eachtar is a 10 mana legendary that they priced at 7 mana.
Says you. Without Catacomb it's shit, which is why nobody made a big deal out of him before the expansion.

>>174794234
Why do you keep playing the most overrated deck in the history of SV even you probably have realized that it's a tier 2 deck by now?

>>174794234
why arent you running the necreassassins anon?

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>>174794120
thanks pan

>>174794234
how many of those times did you get catacomb on curve with at least one follower in play?

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Post yfw elf gets a 1pp spell that gives a follower storm if 2(3 actually so it's balanced) cards are played before it.

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play elf

>>174794156
That's still a lot of vials. The deck has like 4x as many legendaries and golds as any other deck out there. It's a meme, sure, but you can bet your ass netdeckers will drop a mint to make it.

The amount of players who try to play down mass collected ladder and tournament evidence is pretty hilarious.

Midrange Shadow is the only deck right now. It's worst matchup is itself at 50/50.
If players could bring the same deck to the tournament they'd play midrange shadow in all deck slots.
Nothing you say will change this, the deck is indefensibly broken. If you think otherwise it's because you are a terrible low level player.

>>174794325
only 1

>>174790591
>Sticky
>Like sickeningly sticky on turn 2
>Will always get that chip damage in
>May force them to play sub-optimally so that they deny your sygils.
In a deck where the only Earth Rites are Halo Golems and Dragonlores he's very good.

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>>174794047
>>174794350
Kill yourself

>>174794392
they're baiting you
dunno if you realized this yet but the game is a mess right now and all people can do is shitpost

>>174794392
You're a moron. Plenty of decks shit on mid shadow, you're just too much of a moron to know about this because all you do is netdeck and think this game is either mid shadow or ramp dragon

>>174794515
reported

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>>174794392
Yes elta atomy is destroying the ladder right now!
Cygames pls fix shadow

>>174792236
>Bahamut
What now

>>174794429
Earth Rite is shit just like the rest of Rune right now. It just can't handle any current threats. Dirt Rune now is how it should have looked last expansion.

>>174793260
I'm still convinced that Aerin is overpowered bullshit. They already have Soccer mom for the best T3 ward in the game. Now add in GRIIIIIMMNIIIIRRRR, Aerin for some reason providing healing, ward AND an evolution while being a flexible enhance play and jungle warden ALSO being a flexible enhance play while providing ward for stall and storm for reach.

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>>174794334

>>174794562
Great. Post these decks that no other player has been able to find yet.

>>174794609
>bahamut at 7pp

>>174794678
>Emissary + Cavalier

>>174793691
>RoB
>1 craft with 53-54% winrate
>3 crafts with 50-51% winrates
>3 crafts with 46-49% winrates

>ToG
>1 craft at 56%
>1 craft at 50-51% winrate
>literally everyone else sub 50%
>1 craft as low as 45%
>1 craft as low as 41%

>Daria was uncounterable and was way worse than anything you can see in ToG
I wonder who could be behind this post?

>>174794325
If I have a catacomb and a grimnir what's better to play first?

>>174794678
>not at 10pp on turn 6
He bricked, congratulations.

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>>174794771
dragonsong is a shit card with drawback atl east go for neptune and don't push the evo shit on her

>>174794726
depends who you're against, but usually catacomb is better if you have followers on board you can buff. quickstarting your skeleton engine as early as possible is pretty important.

ok i reached A2 a few days ago, so far i've been playing forestcraft the most, as is my favorite out of the other classes, with bloodcraft coming in second, just wondering are there a few decks for each craft you guys have found success?

is it even worth climbing with both of these classes?

>>174794720
>daria having 53% winrate
Maybe 1 week before tog hit. On release it had nearly the same stats as shadow does now while being a deck that was destroying everything.
Pre-nerf daria was uncounterable and was literally impossible to brick

>>174794771
Go left and mulligan dragonsong, it's a late game drop. Despite what people say, if played correctly it will win you T2 games easily.

>>174794850
Only Rune is shit so is ok m8 forest can deal with dragon and shadow if you get lucky

>>174794871
The 53% is actually Forest, Rune is one of the 51%.
These percentages are from the week before the PR/Gobu nerf.

Should I buy bahamut packs or continue with totg packs?

I would need more alberts, bahamuts and sahas from rise of bahamut and I feel like I got an okay amount of legendaries from the totg pool now.

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>>174794771
You can still use flute as discard fodder

>>174794871
>Daria
>impossible to brick
Ok shut the fuck up
Don't try talking about decks you've never played
>b-b-b-b-but they never brick when they're against me
Yeah, and guess how many brick games I had to go through before I manage to perfectly nut on your face?

>>174794981
If you already get the good legendary cards from ToG, RoB is great for Dragon and Sword

Mastema is so good holy shit

>jacks off for 6 turns
>drops eachtar into frozen mammoth
>free win
Why is this even allowed?

>>174795061
Makes sense.
I only started a few days before TOTG, so it was a bit rough for me deciding what packs to buy and all. I've since opened a total of 250+ packs though I think for sure, but I've now reached the point where I'm all out of AI to beat, no more easy achievements, all t2 tickets played through, story all finished you know. So I make maybe 1 to 1.5 packs a day

>>174794981

Save your gold for the next expansion when they start printing 1 mana followers with Battlecry: Win game

Is midrange shadow the most powerful deck in SV history? Better than PtP forest?

Bahamut + Tempest prebuilt decks to buy when? Fuck, come on.

>on death card effects proc between 2 damage aoe and main attack of israfil
What the fuck? Why does it work that way? Why salamander procs both hits before anything else can happen in game but for israfil its a sequence that can be interrupted by other shit?