/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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I suck at the game, any good mods that make Stelaris slightly easier while not being just plain cheat mods?

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2nd for sexy empress

>>174778901
too soon.reported.

>>174778901
>>174778905

How

>>174778930
>pirate utopia from CODEX
>get a very persistent browser hijacker
>spend almost an hour removing it

I feel bitter and betrayed

Are there any stellaris mods that work at properly balancing FTL types?

>>174778956
Just play the game nigga how the fuck is it hard?

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Wow.. Well that's just fucking rude. How dare they use such vulgarity in a game like this?

>>174778986
i was constantly refreshing 'civ4xg' for over an hour

>>174778986
>anything but RezMar releases from cs.rin.ru
You asked for this.

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Stuck between Expansion, Diplomacy and Harmony.

>>174778901
W&B, wait isn't this the wrong thread for you?

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>>174779140
>.ru

Am I being roused for a second time today?

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What the fuck is THIS?!

>>174779373
Looks like sabik

>>174779167
>Finishing expansion 82 years into the game when you've even modded out core systems so the cap skill is wasted and you've already lost countless unity from not having courier networks
>Not opening prosperity first
>Not taking supremacy yet
>Taking domination of all things

About the only thing you've done right is taking and finishing discovery.

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The Scourge arrives. Fucks shit up completely

>>174779496
wot

>>174779248
It's don't.
RezMar is the only reliable source for these things.

>>174779496
They pulled the universe bath plug and now you all going alternate reality.

>>174779421
Courier Networks? What are you talking about, this is vanilla.

Did you confuse Domination and Supremacy? I needed that +%20 Border Range early on because I was in an empire cluster

>>174779023
Because I am retarded and I keep getting absolutely shit on by RNG tot he point where I am convinced the game hates me
like my last attempt ended quickly because I got both fuck all minerals and power near me and got full annexed by my neighbour who had like 3 times the Ship power as me
and the save before that I was surrounded by fanatical purifiers who shit on me at the same time
and so on
I have never even been able to finish a tradition tree because I just suck that much

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>>174779692
Yes...

>tfw no distant worlds with more detailed physics, ship systems and pop control
>tfw Eeast vs west was kill and will continue kill
>tfw strategy gamying is slowly dying
pls end me

>>174779719
Oh are you the guy trolling about being unable to install mods the other day and you're fishing with new bait?

Which is your favorite Endless Space 2 faction theme and why?

https://soundcloud.com/flybyno/sets/endless-space-2-ost-demo-early-access

>>174780038
I love the piano in the riftborn theme.

>>174779567
rezmar is a golden yugoslavian boy sent down to this Earth

>>174779820
Strategy gaming has been slowly dying since 2007 at the very least.
If anything we're at a local maximum.

>>174780136
>slowly dying
Only RTS, grand strategy is growing, civilisation is still growing despite getting worse in each iteration, and Endless Legend, age of wonders III, heroes of might and magic VII and ofc stellaris, Endless Space, Endless Space 2 and galactic civilisations III have all come out recently with large fanbases.

>>174780227

RTS diverged into Real Time Tactics and Grand Strategy desu

>>174779820
Oh for fucks sakes. This "strategy gaming is dying" meme has been around since Red Alert 2.

I've played Strategy games my whole life and strategy games have only gotten better throughout the years.

>>174779820
There's a fine line between the right control and too much control that it's pretty much autists only. DW rides the line fine in some areas but the ship design could be improved so much. And as for physics when you're dealing with space magic FTL and the general scale of such games physics go right out the window because they can become game ruining very quickly. Now if you wanted to design a game kind of like a more realistic MOO where you have near future ships battling in small tactical fleets physics could be a great mechanic. Kind of like in Nexus.

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>>174779496

Why does the Dev Diary suggest they're going to fix the doomstack issue by making wars less micro-intensive?

Isn't that the problem? That doomstacks are too macro and boring?

>>174780380
Because one of the reasons doomstacks exists is because fleet management is so fucking horrible and microintensive, that it's impossible to manage multiple fleets.

Doomstacks are stupid and a shitty strategy compared to multiple smaller fleets as long as you avoid direct confrontation because you wreck spaceport, every mining station and every thing in the enemy territory much faster than with a doomstack.

It's just that micromanaging even three fleets is a pain in the ass.

>>174780380
The whole statement is self-contradictory.
They'll just slap some combat width meme on top of the current disaster that is fleet mechanics and call it a day.

>>174780380

Haha. Good luck. Every paradox game is doomstack smashing. Province supply limits are one of the few limiters that have been somewhat effective.

>>174780380
>>174780483
And maybe fleet missions like EU4 has.
>EU4 has better naval mechanics than Stellaris

>>174780324
I wanted more physics like star ruler. And ship design and populations are the only thing I wish they woul improve. (Aside from the UI)

>>174779835
What the fuck are you talking about, you retard, is this some double bait? It was your retarded ass couldn't see that I picked Supremacy and not domination

>>174780380
I think they're misidentifying the primary issue behind doomstacks.
Replenishing losses, essentially the macro aspect, is so time and resource intensive that the best way to safeguard both time and resources is to put all your eggs in one basket and decide things in one massive battle. Even if you lose you'll feasibly give the opponent a black eye, secure ample time to reinforce your one fleet instead of splitting your stack into multiple fleets and having to replenish losses in each one separately. I'm not sure what they're planning on removing because there is no fleet micro in the game right now unless you count exploiting the shitty AI. The micro they should be working on reducing is pop and building micro.

>>174780496
>inb4 system limiters where mroe than x ships in a system makes them slowly die from attrition
>AI doesn't get attrition though :^)

>>174780483
>combat width
In space?

Why don't they just make it so that Admirals affect how many ships can be in a single fleet, scaling with skill and technology, and add some ui improvements for the outliner

>>174780636
They'll call it 'formation efficiency' or 'communications overhead' but it won't change the fact that it will be combat width (in space).

>>174780632
>attrition in a game where food produced on one planet magically and instantaneously is consumed across 12 planets

>>174780636
They should just focus on making a decent fleet management UI and add the ability to give the fleets some kind of basic orders that they can do automatically, like patrol space automatically, attack weaker fleets and avoid larger fleets etc.

I don't think it's a problem that you can make huge fleets, it's that you can't manage lots of small fleets.

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>>174780694
>implying this guy won't do it

>>174780568
Yet you don't even know what courier networks are, sad.

I'm not a big fan of the hive mind mechanic.

It doesn't feel much different from any other playstyle.

>>174780731
>let's be realistic (according to my thoughts about how galactic civilisations will work in the future)
>hahha wouldn't it be cool if there was a fucking flame dragon in space guys

>>174780739
Oh, It's a Expansion tradition, This is only my 6th game, sorry If I don't know the name of each bonus.

Also, I didn't mod out core systems because as I said, vanilla; and I don't know what are core systems

Don't need to be so rude, cunt.

>>174780636
This is the way to do it.
They need to add shit from hoi4 because shit like the army designer and general command caps would actually work in stellaris.
>Fleet designer
>Set ship ratios and construction priorities
>Shipyards automatically build as resources allow and each fleet rallies to a predesignated point.
>Admirals can support X command points of ships with an increasing cap each level.

Shit would be cash, but I fully expect halfassed combat width bullshit.

>>174780731
There's literally a space mind control satellite in the game that can tell you're masturbating to traps from geosync orbit and mindwipe you for it.
Fuck off paradog.

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>>174780798

It's honestly just a place holder. They wanted it in the game so they could mess with it later (probably via EMPIRES OF THE SWARM DLC), but it doesn't really do anything right now.

>>174780905
They also need to make techs that buff spaceports so they don't crumble into dust at the lightest touch after you develop cruisers

That, and also make it so they don't take as long to build after repeatable techs

>>174780694
What do you mean "magically" and "instantenously"? You ever heard of logistics?

Shit gets moved around. Just because they don't show the actual freighters hauling food and shit, it doesn't mean it's magic.

>>174780869
don't mind that autist. core systems are planets that you can control directly. i think default is 3 planets, while a civic gives +2 and an ascension perk gives +5, while a repeatable research gives +1 for a few times. if you have more planets that your core system limit you get production penalty, so you have to put them in sectors

also
>diplomacy

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>>174780636
SEMICIRCLE YES

>>174780975

they should show the freighters desu shit would be so comfy

>>174780975
But it legit is instant though
the Game doesn't register the logistics, the logistics don't exist, there is no interstellar infrastructure in this game asides from wormhole stations

>>174780998
>gale-speed and trickster traits
>Marr-Adetta system

Someone watches LOGH at Paradox.

>>174781009
Just play DW.

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In endless space, does anyone know what happens to the resources you trade yourself to?
Traded a shitty system for some dustwater but where does the dustwater go?

>>174780934
But hey. we're getting fanatic purifiers civic for them next patch.

>>174781016
Yes, the game doesn't represent the logistics or infrastructure, but that doesnt mean it isn't there.

There's a scope to every game and logistics isn't part of the scope of this game. Do you know how stupidly complex games like this would be if everything present in the real world was some how represented in the game world?

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>>174780998

>>174780869
Generally the traditions you want to get are
Open with prosperity for the mining station cost reduction
Pick up expansion and get the first 3 skills for more unity, less unity cost, and faster colonies and growth.
After that either finish expansion, start in on prosperity or go into discovery if you're going for specific thing like hard science or leader level gimmicks with talented and meritocracy.

>>174781153
>not going discovery after prosperity for PSC

>>174781110
It's not there, you cannot interact with it, you can't interrupt it or improve it in anyway.

It's magic and instantaneous

>>174781009
Having at least some representation of trade and supply lines in the game and being able to order small fleets of light ships (corvettes and cruisers only) to protect your own or disrupt enemy trade would be nice. Maybe one of these days they'll implement a mechanic from EU4 instead of CK2.

>>174781184
All depends how quickly you want to expand.
Unless I'm specifically playing a technocracy with talented and/or meritocracy I'll hit expansion first. If I'm playing for science I go hard into science and ignore colonization for a bit.

>>174781232
>tfw fucking empire total war had exactly that

>>174781112
Speaking of this, fleet formations fucking when?
I'm tired of my lead corvettes being focus fired early in the game.

>>174781229
Do you need to have family lives and every day lives of every population simulated as well for you to believe they have different ethics and show you how the ethics are formed because they can't be real, they're just magic and magically appear for every pop? Actually, we kind of need represent billions of individuals, because right now the game only has arbitrary "pops" to represent a population, but it can't be real that 12 people live on a planet and sustain it's economy? There' should be billions of people instead of 12, but they aren't shown so it's just magic.

Also the population growth is just a pop popping out of nowhere after a magical number of months has passed. They can't just be born out of nowhere, they need to simulate intercourse and actually show them being born, otherwise it's magic and instantenous.

They should probably simulate an actual universe, rather than making a game, because this shit is getting too deep.

>>174781371
Why wouldn't you want your corvettes to be focus fired?

>>174781371
i wish they'd shoot my corvettes. i hate losing cruisers

>>174780038
cravers theme is prety great imo

Who else wants blobs of suicide corvettes

>>174780471
>Doomstacks are stupid and a shitty strategy compared to multiple smaller fleets
Not until you break their initial fleet. Matching smaller against smaller is gonna result in you losing more ships.

>>174781379
But pops at least exist in the game.

You're arguing that logistics exist, despite there literally being no mechanic for them, fuck all.

GO away parashill

>>174781427
Slap afterburners on corvettes and downgrade engines on your cruisers.

>>174781482
shit nigger that makes good sense, but is it worth it to trade off capacitors on corvettes?
and doesn't downgrading cruiser engines slow down my entire blob?

>>174781410
early in the game anon. I'm talking about the first fights when you have pretty much only corvettes and the arrow formation means one comes into range and gets focus fired, then a few more, then a few more. What would be far more effective is if I could set them to a box where far more would come into range and could fire at the same time both spreading out incoming fire, and putting more fire on the enemy quicker.

>>174781371
I would be happy with a system were you can give your fleet a preferred engagement range (close/medium/long) and whoever has the higher average combat speed can slowly force their preferred range on the enemy.

Maybe some orders about combat style as well, like aggressive (deal and take more damage, for when you want to take out a spaceport before the enemy fleet arrives) or defensive (opposite, for when you have to wait for reinforcements).

Probably wouldn't mean much in the end but at least it'd make me feel like I have a little more control.

>>174781542
Corvettes are going to die from anything if they get hit
Their big thing is evasion, so armor and shields literally don't matter.

>>174781464
You don't actually need to fight the enemy with smaller fleets. Of course you'd look to overpower them by moving the fleets around, but you can't do any intricate maneuvering with the current ui and fleet mechanics.

>>174781153
the survey research bonus is the most important for wide empires honestly, helps counteract your growth's crippling of your tech

>>174781595
It'll be a bigger issue if they do break doomstacks, lots more tedious rebuilding of ships.

>>174781473
Well, what do you want then? A little window that opens up every time you click something and says "Oh, yeah, so there's all kinds of logistics and shit going on in the background, so shit's movin' and it's not magic."

Just enough to mention the logistics and represent it in the game? Or do you need some overly complicated gameplay mechanics that are completely out of the focus of the game?

>>174781542
Defensive module barely do anything on corvettes, apart from the enigmatic encoder.
And cruisers with tier 1 engines are about as fast as BBs with tier IV so it doesn't matter, unless I'm misunderstanding how fleet speed works.

>>174781690
Idk what about system blockades, privateering, some sort of trade policy, you know, stuff that shows this stuff actually exists and isn't magic, it's not hard, plenty of games do it.

>>174781624
By the same token faster expansion means earlier and more access to good research station candidates

>>174781747
That isn't logistics.

Logistics is managing supply chains that involve money, information and material. These are all in the game, but you just can't see individual freighters hauling that 10 minerals from a mining outpost.

What you just listed aren't part of logistics. They affect logistics, but aren't a part of it.

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This game can be too Swedish sometimes

>>174782051
>Happiness +10%
heh

>>174782051
I think people are more likely to unite on enjoying the sight of a pretentious statue smashed.

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I reloaded an earlier save, so I'd take a different tradition, and go this.

Should I? I have 10 robot pops

>>174782153
>a pretentious statue

Its probably a mosque
Statues are haram

>>174782249
It's perfectly safe, my fellow organic.

>>174782249
Robots or synths? They specifically have to be synths.

>>174782310
10 synths

>>174782324
Don't, you'll be fucked raw.

>My spiritualist empire is capable of carrying out diplomacy with a droid empire.
>Is completely incapable of not purging them as soon as I conquer their planets.

>Researched both jump drive and psi-jump drive without triggering unbidden.
>Have completely wrecked all of the other empires to the point where all of the mare like 100 years away from jump tech.
Maybe I'll get praetheryn for once.

Should I wait to research In Limbo or does it not fucking matter?

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What the fuck is he talking about? The synths?

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>>174782249
Its too early for any shit to go down, you will be fine for now

>have spiritualist neighbour locked into fifty defensive pacts
>build habitats in a system near him
>fill them with synths
>gift the system to him
>watch the synths rebel and go apeshit when he tries to gas them
Would this work?

>>174782584
>>174782310
>>174782345
Also, I didn't thanks lads.

>>174782310
So droids are good too?

>>174782553

Yes. Robots make egalitarians mad.

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>>174782589
I dont know but I like the way you think
Keep me posted

>>174782665
For fucks sake, is there a mod that fixes this shit?

>>174781482
Haha, that's brilliant. I feel like a dipshit for not thinking of this.

>>174782638
>missing out on 10% FREE research
wew lad

>>174782772
I'm scared my 8k ships will revolt against me

>>174782795
synths dont revolt if you give them rights

>>174782553
He may be talking about refugees
For some reason you are not allowed to be egalitarian among your species only, you have to open up to Space ISIS and Hitler Fan Club too

>Playing multi with a couple of friends
>Make pacifist spiritualists
>Choose Agrarian Idyll
>Farms generate unity
>Get unity from temples as well
>Manage to be on third ascension perk pumping out psionics whilst my friends are still only on one

This needs to be nerfed

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>>174782838
what could go wrong

>>174782589
Oh fuck I've got to try this now.
I wonder if you can artificially create a synth nation like this.

Is distant worlds good?

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>>174782864
Make a synth version of this guy

>>174782707
Tons of them. I personally just use a mod that lets egalitarians use full AI rights but that could be considered cheating a bit.

>>174782895
It's very good as long as you can get past the presentation.

>>174782859

Not really. You'll usually just end up taking subpar ascension perks

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>>174782851
Nope, for fucks sake Paradox. Any mods that lets non-materialists to give Synths full-rights? Or some other way to fix it? This is stupid as fuck

>>174782838
I can't give them rights, not materialist

Spiderfag stop fucking raiding other general OPs, I'm actually starting to get pissed now. Why the fuck did you use a spider picture for Neptunia General? No serously.

>>174782981
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=903261548
Wasn't hard to find mate.

>>174782981

It's a confirmed bug; Egalitarian factions aren't supposed to care about robot rights

>>174783032
Thanks lad

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>play militarist/spiritualist
>ascend
>conquer world, don't drive off the locals because too much hassle
>get event where they too get first be latent, then full psionics
>the game now thinks these guys are my Founder Species
>automatically downgrades my own population to residency
>everyone now refers to me as the conquered guys
Fuck it, next time I am just going bio ascension. Paradox just can't help but let their Swedish bullshit into the game.

>Make ES, which was pretty boring
>Make EL, which was pretty good
>Make ES2 instead of EL2 or trying something new

for what purpose

>>174782859
its strong but
>pacifist
and unity has zero endgame use

>>174783171
That makes perfect sense thought.

>>174783171
Because ES was their first game and they knew they could do so much better, which they are.

>>174783109
Think the mod only fixes slavery, not free movement. Damn.

>>174782941
How complex is it?

Is there any actually interesting cosmetic mods in Stellaris or are they all just 'race/thing from other scifi' shit
Like I just wanted to expand upon the amount races and shit in the game without turning it into a crossover clusterfuck, is that too much to ask?
Guess I will just have to wait and hope the devs make tons of cosmetic DLC like in other Paradox games

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>>174783152
>not driving off the submonkeys
>allowing them to taste the fruit of true knowledge

you deserved it

>>174780905
>hoi4
>>Fleet designer
Doesn't have this.

>>174783225
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=906074575

>>174783301
It has the appearance of being really deep and complex but really it's just a collection of a bunch of fairly simple mechanics and concepts you have to learn. You can automate as much of it as you want, but the real way to play is to go full manual. It's pretty much Vicky 2 in space, but with a much more fun economic system.

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>>174782859
>carefully minmax to get all the unity and happiness boosts
>surpass everyone on early and mid game
>realise you cant project force because pacifist
>sit and wait while other empires catch up and wreck your shit on late game

Masterfull

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>>174782676
>>174782875
Well digging through event files it seems you can't have an AI rebellion without having Synthetics researched.
Pity.

>>174783485
unlesss you're fanatic pacifist, in which case kys, you can declare as much wars as you want

liberate niggers -> vassalize niggers -> annex niggers

>>174783420
Sounds good but

>Makes most population checks in file be done using any_pop instead of any_owned_pop, because any_pop only checks at the local level. Living with foreigner make you less racist, seeing them on tv doesn't.

and

>Makes good relationship with authoritarian empires result in attraction to authoritarian ethics.

Sounds like trash since I'm a Xenophile empire and half my fucking game is full of autocracies

>>174783334
Star Falls?

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just like the low countries

Logistics in a 4x inevitably just become "build another type of ship". Which is just pointless micro.

>>174783609
Distant worlds handles it well with the private sector though.

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>>174783489
It can spread from an empire who did which is the main reason I limit the number of droids in my empires. It's odd that Artificial Intelligence and Sentient Ship AI are safe. Especially, considering the description it'd seem to be a really bad idea to put your entire military's infrastructure under an AI's control because it's fear of death means it dodges better.

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I'm so jealous!

>>174783629
>well
it works under default settings.
Try making a low resource low habitable planet map and watch the private sector shit itself

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>>174783594
You cant beat reality

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SYNTH PRIDE GALAXY WIDE
GAS THE MEATBAGS
SPACE WAR NOW

>>174783691
Why be jealous when you could be

A CONQUEROR?

Declare war, gun it for that system, blow up their stations. Then blow them up.

>>174783691
just do it
its easy to kill the stations cause they're so far apart

>>174783691
Dont
You cant touch this until late game

how the fuck do you make your founder species back to what it was

I didn't sign up for this

>>174783774
few 2k stacks are more of a mid game thing since you can easily kill them one by one

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>>174783701
haha guess i cant

>>174783774
>2k stations
>late game
scrub

>>174783827
>>174783816
Its only 2k?
I thought it was more, had it only once

>Both FEs at inferior fleet power now
>still haven't become woke
When?

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>that Usanace Republic

They isolated themselves by rivaling me.

>>174783886
Soon hopefully
War in Heaven is fun af, especially if you go 3rd pole

>>174783445
i find the economy most superfluous. nobody gives a shit about the 30 commonly found resources
What matters is fuel and luxuries, but theres no decision making on the players part, you just need to own the resource

>>174781371
after they revamp the ground combat we promise

>>174783152
actually sounds interesting tho
>we master race now

>>174780471
the ui is culprit in this case.
>press e to enter galaxy/system mode
fucking design decision from 1990s

>>174783021
He has no life and wants attention. You just gave him what he wanted.

>>174783886
Start conquering their worlds.

Playing semi-wide.

One Vision or Technological Ascendancy?

Is Zro useless for wormhole?

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>>174783705
Had these fags rebel in my last synth fanatic purifiers game. Got a nice new homeworld on the edge of the galaxy.

Question about sectors.

Anyone knows if the sectors upgrade buildings if you disable all their sector settings?

Why is it that in literally every fucking game of stellaris, my neighbours will fucking hate my ass with a passion if I don't play a militaristic, curb-stomping asshole? Is this game literally designed to make it fucking impossible to play any other way but being militaristic as fuck?

Also, how the fuck does the AI pull off these 30 destroyers and 30 corvette fleets with three systems in less than 50 years? I can barely fucking manage that with 6 systems while completely disregarding any economic development and I end up fucking broke and backwards.

How is it fair that the AI can just shit out fleets like that without sacrificing anything for it?

i wish we could extract minerals from any planet
>gas resources from gas giants
>minerais depending of the planet
this game is so shallow jesus christ, i only play cause mods

>cancel a research project halfway through
>it completes instead
Wow.

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>>174784457
>how the fuck does the AI pull off these 30 destroyers and 30 corvette fleets with three systems in less than 50 years?
The AI cheats like fuck since it's absolute trash. Just think how easy the game would be if AI empires didn't get free resources, they'd all completely collapse and never colonize anything since they'd be in a permanent state of bankruptcy.
>mfw entire empires controlled by the same AI that runs sectors

>>174784457
> i can make a good ai
>no too much work
>let the ai cheat is easier
t.paradox

>>174784457
Also, why the fuck are these hyper-militaristic, xenophobic cunts ALWAYS ignoring ALL the other fucking xenos and just focus on wrecking my shit?

If I'm surrounded by murderours, militaristic dictator cunts, you'd think they have a fucking blast blowing each other up, but they seem to completely ignore the fact that there is an actually rivalling empire next to them with exactly the same idea of domination as them. You'd think they'd be at each others throats instead of banding up to destroy some empire that is minding it's business.

Is the end game of those militaristic empires to conquer the galaxy with their friends and then it's friendship and magic or what the fuck is actually the point of these empires doing shit that is exactly the opposite of what they're supposed to do?

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>>174784615
This is the AI programmer of stellaris.

>>174784638
>who do you want to declare war on senpai, the dudes with the same strength as us or those weak chumps?
hmm, i wonder why

>>174784396
that planet terrain, what mod?

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Hello, this is retard speaking.

I need help with my tech choices again

>>174784779
Antimatter reactors.

>>174784760
It's vanilla, AI Rebelion has their own type of planets only habitable for robots.

>>174784779
Reactors, no question.

>>174783445
>>174783983
I give it a try. Are custom races a thing?

>>174784615
>>174784613
Which also makes trade impossible since the AI is always capped with resources anyway

>>174784779
You want to go down the power tech tree, shields and shit become really expensive in the higher tiers. Arc emitters look cool as hell but they're pretty useless, disruptors are just worthless and you don't need repeatable tech yet

>>174784831
Oh, ok, didn't know that.
Also, there's animated synthetic portraits mod which you might like.

>>174784779
>Hello, this is retard speaking.
>I need help with my tech choices again
Jesus christ ship energy is like a top tier priority with mining & planet energy upgrades.

>>174784709

It isn't the problem that the imperialist empires attack you when you're weaker, it's the fact that they actually make the effort to help each other in wars and they will never fucking backstab each other even when it makes all the sense in the world.

Why the fuck would some empire that is looking to conquer, help some powerful neighbour of theirs to get even more powerful by helping them in a war and then NOT backstab the shit out of them when their fleets get fucked?

They shouldn't be able to just wage war any way they see fit and they definitely should be undermining themselves by helping empires that are actually, truly rivaling them with their conflicting goals to actually get closer to their goals.

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>>174784779
Weapon Attack Speed ofcourshe

>>174784680
explains everything, i get mad at the ai of conteparany games, what must i study to make ai?

>>174785051
>what must i study to make ai?
being non-white and/or female

>>174784935
Someone should make one of those tech tree priority guides, like /gsg/ did for V2

>>174784680
I can see now why the AI programmer hasnt been fired yet

>>174785051
math

Kinect Artillery/Plasma Cannon with a Cruiser was the optimal, right?

too lazy to pick out all the crying ppl about AI issues
yes it cheats but if you dont have 5 colonies by year 20 youve fucked up.
build 50 corvettes with shields and take over his undefended planets.
ffs, I see ppl crying about the unbidden being overpowered all day when I took them out in 2 strikes.
if you think sp is hard go play competitive.
if you even show one sign of weakness youll have 3 other players declare war on you one after the other.
and yes I agree the IA needs work but the sector AI does very well if you didnt notice.
Its a self sustained group of planets that does micro better than anyone.

>>174785051
Gender Studies, then bully your way into the industry

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>>174784680
Affirmative action strikes again.

>>174784680
>muslim
this explains so much of the bulshit of this game

>>174785051
tip: it's not as easy as you think

>>174785197
just 6xm plasma cruisers, add 1 afterburner in case you attack fallen empires to get in range of their long range stations faster.

>>174785275
i know isnt easy, i mean, you will have to make so many fucken variables

>>174785197
There's no optimal, any fleet will shit on regulars but FEs have to be specifically kitted out against.

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I decided I would try a Fanatic purifier Run
Any tips before I start?

>>174785197
Go fast and lob large objects at high velocities

>>174785051
If you get good at AI you won't be working in the games industry

>>174785269
>muslim
She looks more jewish

>>174785370
Rename to wasps

>24 tiles 80% habitability world
>fires no feature at all event on the planet
>all tiles cleared automatically
oh thank you, RNGesus
>>174785402
why

>>174785370
You can't get psionics.

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Whats the best ascension route, psionic, robots, genmod or superstructure engineering?

>>174785425
You'll be grabbed by DoD or some molochian transnat.

>>174785341
Why assume you can do better then? AI cheats in every game more complex than a text adventure, and there is no strategy game where AI actually presents a challenge for a competent player. That's why these games have multiplayer, AI technology just isn't at the point where it can play a game with as many variables as a strategy game on par with a human.

>>174785370
Change name to wasps to better fit the genocidical maniac theme
Get rid of resilient since you wont be doing much defending
I would roll with Admiralty ethic instead of Zeal

>>174785425
Because other sectors are going to pay you far more in far better working conditions if you really are good.

>>174785484
>superstructure engineering
>ascension
???

>>174785484
Stat-wise, synths. Psionics for RP, biological for micromanagement hell.

>>174785484
Boo-ba-doo-ba-doop!

Did my first real game and I have a few questions to make the next one better. First whats the cure to game slow down? By 2350 or so the game was really chugging. Next whats the ideal number of planets to not get tech costs in the hundreds of thousands? And lastly is being a diplomatic nation actually worth it? I feel if I do I gain allies but lose a ton of micromanage options.

>>174785537
what if I want to make games

>>174785524
I should elaborate and say that there is actually some pretty advanced AI stuff in the works, but it's not at the point where you could both apply the concept to a grand strategy game and have it run on home computers.

>>174785524
there are experimental AIs who go in another path, instead of making millions and millions of pre-programed variations, you make a "sentient" AI, one which you learn, and react, almost like a human, problably hard as fuck, but doable.

>>174785484
Synths are hella OP

>>174785636
you are not me but i agree with you
i want to make really good ai for games, and maybe a sentient robot.

>>174785636
Then you are silly.

>>174785484
Take one perk from gears and genes each.

>>174785439
psionics is overrated anyway
>>174785484
psionic is the most usefull shit of them all to the point where a lot of people will tell you its the only one worth getting
Robots is the weakest of them but is the coolest one in my opinion
Genmod is somewhere in the middle, but it is the most fun to fuck with
megastructures are only really worth it for Habitats and the sentry array

I want to play tall is it practacle at all to rush mega structures?

>>174785639
Yeah, that's what I mean here
>>174785638
I should have been more clear. The technology is still pretty early stages and not very useful for games more advanced than a 2D platformer, it would take on the scale of years to train such an AI for a grand strategy game and have it play competently, there's simply far too many variables. In the mean time you'll just have to put up with shitty cheating AI.

>>174785930
They're worthless, and you won't get them until late-game anyway. Stick to the habitats.

>>174785930
Not very if you don't use mods, you can rush habitats fairly quickly but the other megastructures don't come until the game is already over.

Is Civilization VI good yet? I got it at release but refunded it soon afterwards.

Oh, and do people still get musketmen by 200 AD?

>>174786015
>>174786036
Thanks paradox never letting me have fun.

>>174786048
Its a lot better.

>>174786048
no and yes
have a nice day

>>174785953
maybe someday we can get to train AI ala matrix, with some "tips" and "mechanics" in a archive who will be processed by the AI.

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>>174786149

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>allowing mind controlling, parasite fungus to live in my planets
won't do it, but is such treaty even worth it? Never tried it tb h

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>>174785797
>Robots is the weakest of them

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Is there a swedes or other nearby sleeper agents here going to PDXCON?

>>174786232
It's useful if you have xenophile factions or the other species has desirable traits.

>>174786036
>>174786015
Actually is there a mod that unlocks them alot faster I really want to start tossin down dyson spheres everywhere no matter how impracticable it is.

>>174786232
Migration treaties were really powerful, you could fill up a 25 tile planet within a year with a handful of migration treaties. It seems like it's useless in 1.5.1 though

Is hive mind fun?

>>174786393
Wait for 1.6, they're getting buffs and more civics, including a fanatic-purifiers style devouring swarm one.

Where the fuck can I use Torpedos.
The fortress has none battlesheeps have none.
Fuck my shit through to layers of garbage!

>>174783979
I love the war in heaven. Last time it triggered I ended up making a stand with the entire galaxy vs the awakened empires. Literally nobody joined them and all looked to me to lead them against the faggots. It was fucking great. Of minor note was half way through the scourge arrived, in the AE core worlds. Never stood a chance, poor not-tyranids.

>>174786530
Corvettes can mount them.
Cruisers have a bow section with a T slot too.
>Fuck my shit through to layers of garbage!
????

Endless Space 2 beta is able to be pirated now. Is the first one any good? Should I give it a try? Like past the first 15 minute that cause me to drop so many games.

>>174786338
There's a few but it depends on how much faster you mean, just try searching for 'megastructure' in the workshop.

>>174785376
So Gauss and Kinetic?

>>174785363
Then what, pick whatever does the most damage?

>>174785281
Auto-complete gives me Plasma-only cruisers while I have stuff that does more damage. Huh.

>>174779421
>prosperity first
>losing all that research
Discovery basically give a 60% research bonus with its survey + scientist levels.

>>174786338
Just go into the common folder and change the speed to what you want. I made it o that only the first stage was long then 1/4 the rest of the time.

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Check my quad

>>174785051
The "AI" in videogames isn't actual AI. It's just a program that simulates playing a game. Real AI adapts itself (muh neural networks).

>>174786918
sometimes i wonder, would a human able to defeat a true AI in strategy/4x games?

Is the best strategy to colonize planets that are more than 20+ sectors?

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>>174780731
>they do not raze entire cities to the ground

>>174786957
No

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>there are people in this thread that dont own the based Plantoids species dlc

>>174786957
Even if it's only as good at the game as you are, it would be able to handle all the micromanagement in a much more efficient way, humans don't have a chance.

>>174786957
No, it would be perfectly accurate and be able to analyse infinitely more possible outcomes to a certain action than a human in the same amount of time. If we ever have sentient AI in games it will be programmed with certain limits to make it dumber. Instead of people complaining about cheating AI we'll have people complaining that the AI is given too many maluses.

>>174787052
>implying I don't get all the dlcs for free

>>174784861
yes

>>174786957
A trained AI would be unbeatable, it's like the chess AI which beat the world champion chess player. 4X is too complex for current AI. It would be cool to see two AI's fight each other though.

>>174787052
>mfw Johan threw a tantrum saying he wouldn't develop cosmetic DLC anymore because people complained it was too expensive

>>174787191
so this is why ai inst suitable for games, its unbeatable.

>>174787052
>increased chance for disgusting looking slaves
Great DLC

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Any decent youtube lets plays to watch?

>>174787307
Yeah it would be like having the bots in an FPS instantly locking their aim to your head and killing you in one shot.

>>174787307
Its mostly not suitable for games because its not advanced enough yet and if it was it wouldn't run on most peoples PCs.

>>174787307
Only if it's designed to be unbeatable.

>>174787185
>that one mad man who unlocks the limits of the AI and it takes over the world

>>174787358
ASPec is okay but overall Steallris LPs are just way too slow for me to enjoy.

>>174786670
You were right originally anon. 1 KA with the rest M plasma on a cruiser is optimal. Even for FEs, just remember to bring PD because they like their strike craft. Crisis enemies are different, unbidden have 0 armor and no PD so stack kinetics and you can legitimately use regular torps for them, scourge have no shields and use nothing but missiles and strike craft so ramp your PD up and swap the KA for plasma, or be a complete lunatic and build tachyon lance battleships. AI rebellion is a joke and never happens, they use regular ships anyway

>>174787387
i mean, if you play one game and manage to win, the next you will lose, the ai will know exactly how you play, and be prepared

I've got next to a fallen empire, the watchful regulators to be exact and I really want their ringworlds. Already read on the wiki that they mass fighters and bombers which means I should go heavy into point defense but what else can I do?

>>174787387
Odds are that'll happen long before someone starts fucking around with game AI. Someone doesn't quite give their paperclip company management AI the right value of human life and it wipes out humanity to maximise paperclip production.

>>174787469
thanks bro ill give it a watch

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FUCK, Why did I forget to colonize here?

Also, is it worth it to go 100% minerals on this planet? Go over the energy and all that?

Another question, how many planets should I have?

>>174787532
Anon that is a motherfucking 50% mineral bonus. If you could delete your fucking capital building for another mine it'd be worth it.

>>174787585
Terraform it? Droids only? How should I tackle this?

>>174787496
The AI would be essentially be local to each save, it wouldn't learn from one game and carry that knowledge over to the next. It will also have a hardcoded limit to its capabilities to stop it from being too good.

>>174787521
every machine has the 3 laws of AI, you know, dont kill humans, NEVER EVER EVER

>>174787532
As many as you want, youll start hitting repeating tech in the 2250s so dont worry about tech malus. Unity will come in time since youll have the same unity buildings on every planet its even a bonus with expansion policies.


Just looked at your research amounts... Its like you dont have a planet just for research or something. I usually have 2 in my first 5 planets. usually 2&4.

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wat do?

Excluding a planet having a really good modifier whats the smallest planet you are willing to colonize?

>>174787713
Sorry, I haven't been following the memo. I didn't go with "Blast planets with whatever and ignore what they are good for"

How is that optimal compared to building what's on the tiles?

>>174787701
Flat rules like that don't work. Its one of the problems with self-driving cars, sometimes the car is going to have to kill someone to save another.

>>174787654
Droids only if you're going that path, uplifted proles if you're going genetics. Hell make it your capital for the top tier mines. It'll be an industrial juggernaut.

>>174787782
16, after my 4th tradition and repeating tech every planet I can use to expand further.

>>174787782
20. I'm an autist.

>>174787778
Interstellar Dominion

I feel like a retard now that I didn't make planets for specific stuff

>>174787815
You ideally want to fill a planet entirely with a single resource for production, if thats energy minerals or tech is whatever. It depends primarily on planetary bonuses and if there are non tile yields if its got stuff like betharian or whatever you need most if it doesn't. It's because bonuses operate on a planetary scale, so an energy nexus boosting every tile on the planet is more efficient than it boosting most of the tiles on a planet. Same for tech and assist research science ships and minerals and processing plants.

>>174787052
>"owning" dlc
lmao

>>174787883
I went for One Vision, I have a lot of space

>>174787971
Should I just restart?

>>174787815
You can take much better advantage of planet-wide modifiers from things such as edicts and special buildings

>>174787953
but i can't bring myself to suppress that 2 engineering base for some shitty electricity

>>174788019
Nah. It's not a huge deal considering how bad stellaris AI is at building its planets.

>>174787971
>>174788028
Well then, should I start replacing buildings? What should I do now

>>174787815
Get intelligent and your research trait of choice, tech is the most important early/mid game resource. Then get a society +25% planet and just fill it up. With the observatory and assist research youll be getting over 100% bonus from every spot.

>>174786608
not in my game

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FINALLY
WREAK HAVOC!

>>174787532
And which tile should I settle, energy?

>>174788092
Dont bother, just play this one through. This is just my play style. Some people like unity farming, some energy so they can get all stations, some minerals because they can get their ships back up in a few months. I like research because Im always ahead of everyone. Unity is more interchangeable but research never goes away. I tend to hit fallen empire level research (380 techs) before the first century is over. Everything is claimed with frontier outposts (discovery then expansion) so I can colonize later and energy is the focus of my first planet. For stations and so I can just focus on research for my second.

>>174788171
>Amazing!
kek

>>174788179
Yup

Hear me out
What if Hiveminds had a third of the malus to research amounts from pops and twice as much from planets, but every working scientific output on a planet gave a a flat 3% bonus to every other scientific extraction on the planet, or 5% per built lab?

how do you think would an average midgame differ? could it open up space for hivemind-only researches?

So is the general military strategy spam plasma cruisers now instead of plasma destroyers? What changed?

>>174788629
Ship computers.

>>174788434
Honestly hive minds should be great at making alot of shitty stuff. Be bad at research have sub par leaders and the bigger they are the more pronounced those weaknesses. They should make more energy and minerals along with way more ships and armies. They should also find it very hard to conduct any diplomacy at all. But this is paradox we are talking about here they are either gonna be beyond OP or worthless and thats if they are interesting to play as at all.

>>174788171
there is no chance of a uprisiing right? like these arachs turning mads and destroyng my colony...

>>174788756
If they do turn evil you can always re-enact Klendathu

>>174788710
they should be great at research if they have non hive mind pops, they could search like nazi germany, when you dont care for the humans you advance more qickly.

>kill unbidden within 6 months of their invasion
>FE still gets guardians event a couple years down the line
why
I'll never get WiH now.

>find 22 gaia world
>bonus 15% of minerals
i can

>>174788819
If you modify that idea slightly it could work. Tolerate a small amount of foreign pops to do tech for you. They would suffer extreme happiness penalties but could be fun. And actually another fun thing that could happen. A hive mind split. What if when your hive reaches a certain point you start to be unable to manage everything so you either try and keep it together and take increasingly steep penalties or split the empire kinnda like rome. This could be fun as it could be something to do in the mid game lead to alot of flavor and a neat ass war to reunite the hive ect.

>>174788710
It would also be neat if you could reduce some of these malus by giving your independent drones more "freedom" but risk they getting too free and revolting, creating their own hive minds in the process.

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What should I do? All the races on the right are in a federation and really hate me, I want to conquer the whole galaxy but can't take them all at the same time.

>>174789107
>2716
holy fucking shit

>>174789107
You can cheese them by making 20 smaller fleets and armies and just insta-invading them to 100% warscore ignoring actual battles.

>>174789107
>1.3k energy income
>not even over the fleet cap
>I can't take them all at the same time
Build a shitload more ships then you dunce.

>>174789107
How are you not ripping your hair out at how slow the game must be going at this point? Also how many mega structres do you have?

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>>174788171
Is this event from a mod or is it in the base game?

Does anyone know if I can pirate the Stellaris DLC and use it with my legit Steam copy?

I liked the base game but goddamn I'm not gonna spend another $60 to get a finished game

>>174789107
lmao 2fleet

>>174789643
It's doable.
Rezmar's crack package has an activator for exactly that iirc.

>>174789642
Mod

>>174789643
If DLC works the same way as the grand strats like CK2 and EU4. Then yes very you can even play online with them and be all good.

>>174789510

Well I play whilst I watch stuff on youtube and read 4chan so it's nice and comfy. I have all the mega structures and a couple of ring worlds.

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>>174789642
Guilli's planet modifier.
dude, just, DUDE, LOOK AT THIS FUCKEN SPIDERS

>>174789991
Ive never actually made a Megastructure can you only have like 1 dyson sphere? I was planning a game were I made dozens of the little shits.

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What is the best frontier outpost position here lads

i really hate egualitarian, forces me to allow emigration, and emigration fuck me

>>174790169

No you can build as many as you like but it takes ages.

>>174790036
if i remove the spiders blocks i lose the right to make the armies?

>>174790237
Oh thats good. I modded my game slightly a minute ago so all megastrucres take half as long to build but still cost the same and the dyson sphere produces 1000 energy on completion. To OP?

>>174790174
Collodor, Sanopel if you dont want to move it later.

>>174790334

Yeah, my dyson sphere only produces 400.

>>174790334
yeah that's just cheesy, time should be reduced by a little but not by half, that just makes spamming them easy as hell because minerals are worthless in the lategame

>>174790370
>>174790406
You think? Still takes about 30 years to build one and I plan to build tall so im not sure if I can make 40k minerals every 5 years to keep it going.

>disable planetary survey corps
>playthroughs are actually more interesting now

It's actually nice not being 40 years ahead of everyone and curbstomping a 4k destroyer/vette fleet with a 30k cruiser/vette fleet with kinetic artillery and plasmas.