/dfg/ Dwarf Fortress General

Recommend me a new way to play adventure mode. What are some cool mods or world gen options I could add?

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>>174282183
>adventurer crafting reactions for coziness
>disable the hell layer and have lots of volcanos
>go build log cabins inside a temporarily drained and rapidly refilling volcano

>>174279563
These are neat.

>>174283028

You can already craft a lot in the base game. But I suppose adding metal crafts would be nice.

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[Blocks your FPS]

>>174282183
Masterwork

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>>174284139

>>174284268
There's literally nothing wrong with masterwork

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>>174281987
I can't tell which thread we're using so I'm reposting here.
I'm new and I'm really enjoying the game but I have two questions.
What are the best ways to deal with cave adaptation? I heard people roof the map, but that sounds like a lot of work.
What are animal people for? The ones that appear in the wild and not the visitors that is.

>>174284139
t. shitposter

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>>174284545
Nothing right with it either...

>>174283028
So I fiddled around with the seeds and other settings...

>>174284561
I deal with cave adaptation by keeping my dwarfs underground. Any dwarfs that need to access the surface should do so regularly anyway. If I want any of my military dwarfs to be able to fight above ground I schedule them to patrol some above-ground burrows for a month every year.

Animal people are for training your military.

>>174284561
>What are the best ways to deal with cave adaptation?
have people stand outside every now and again so it doesn't set in. try an outdoor temple/zoo/statue-garden/tavern
>I heard people roof the map
doesn't work
>What are animal people for?
what do you mean "for"
they're just strange fantasy wildlife/half-humans

>>174285950
I wondered if I could catch them and turn them into valuable members of society and then breed a fortress full of hybrids.

>>174286490
Not yet.

But as of version 0.42, entire populations of animal people occationally migrate into other civs. It doesn't happen in-game yet, but it wouldn't surprise me if it was added in the future.

>Adventure mode
>Start without a bag
>I found a bag, but I can't wear it.

Am I missing something?

>>174288039
Bags can't be worn - you're thinking about a backpack.

>>174288162
Oh, thanks!

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>try to dorf
>cant dorf

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>>174288797
it's not too bad just give it a go m8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESNRQFEzirA

>>174253934
This is the best story I've read in a long time. Thank you.

>>174289426
Stop shilling your own shit.

>>174289531
Stop being an insufferable cunt.

>>174289643
No

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>>174289531
>>174289643

stop fighting fools the elfs are at your gates!

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Did I fuck up?

I have a mildly dumb idea for a mod.

>>174290768
Why don't you make it a reality?

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He has given up.

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>entire fledgling fort killed by a zombie before the first caravan even arrives
gg

The last guy starved to death because I abandoned the fort. He was stuck in a tree, and actually would have starved for real.

>>174290914
Because I can't into creature body types.

But I kinda want to make a Final Fortress XI mod. At least vanilla with the standard races and beastmen.

>>174292142
>can't into creature body types
How? The wiki has everything you need to know about it.

>>174282183
Be a town guard
>Patrol town
>Look for hooligans
>Wait until they assault people because you are a lawful keeper of the peace and can't set a bad example.
>When they do bad things, hit them until they yield.
>Lecture them on the important of following the law until they agree.

>>174292860
I might give it another shot eventually.

>>174293509
Nothing ever happens though

>>174296474
Every few years or so it does

>>174290220
his arrow don't have a point...

>>174298082
Right, and the "sword" doesn't have an edge and the "spear" has fucking flower tied onto it. They're elves. All of their weapons are literally sticks.

>>174298325
but his spear do have a point

>>174298082
Ellipsis are for faggots.

>>174300370
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>>174300703
Is this morse code

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>>174293509
>be town guard
>hang out dancing and boozing it up in the different taverns all day
>consider stumbling from one to the next to count as a patrol route
>every so often come across a giant zombie polar bear chewing on a merchant and casually walk the other way
>be walking back home one night
>mostly stopping to lean against walls and vomit
>see what look like glowing yellow eyes in an alleyway up ahead
>catch what sounds like massive feet stomping around in an implausibly sneaky fashion
>then the wind changes and you remember you forgot to call in sick
>it's a full moon and you can smell weremammoth on the night air already

>>174300961
>call in
But anon there are no telephones in DF

>>174300808
-. ---

>>174291239
I'm so glad that after the myth/magic arc we'll get an ability to continue worldgen from any point of gameplay so we could learn and witness what happens to our dwarves after we leave them be. Gon b gud.

>>174301279
You cuff a local kid upside the head with your trusty mug, tell the little bastard you'll give them a couple coppers to go to the keep and explain how sick you are, and a couple more if they believe the story.

>>174301562
Why do you think we're getting that? Toady has said explicitly in a FotF in the last year that we're not getting that and probably won't ever.

>>174301658
i heard dwarven mugs are also made out of kids

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>>174301946

FUCK YOU TOADY

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>>174301946
> Toady has said explicitly in a FotF in the last year that we're not getting that and probably won't ever.
Wait really? I remember him saying earliers it'll happen when the myths are done. He might've changed his mind then, goddamit.

>>174301946
But that's like a vital feature for coolness

>>174302170
That's goblets...

>>174302323
He never said it would happen, he said it would be cool but damn near impossible currently.

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>check a modded not-dragon in worldgen
>she gets hitched, has a daughter, kills 115 notable people and steals a bunch of shit
>and then an elephant kills her in 214

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I wish I had used a more consistent note naming system. And that I hadn't forgotten to put notes on a bunch of levers. And that I could zoom to buildings connected to levers and pressure plates.
So if there are any genies in the thread, there's my three.

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>>174307450
Hah, as if, the third wish is always to undo the effects of the first two wishes when they end up backfiring.

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As the saying goes, "when life gives you lemons, dump any magma you've got handy on top of them."

>>174307827
The third wish would kind of invalidate the other two.

>>174308518
did you set up pipes to flood the caverns with water and then magma?

>>174308518
Indeed, otherwise you have to live with the dreadful results of your wishes being interpreted in an ironic fashion by a godlike being.

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>>174308970
Yes. The water didn't come from the pipes for that purpose though, they came from other pipes that are meant to deliver water elsewhere, but which also have a cavern drain. A drain which I opened unintentionally. The plumbing designed to flood the cavern with water is still full. I've never actually used it, though I was planning to do so soon.

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>>174310070
>unintentionally created an obsidian factory
nice

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It appears that while the cavern and my pump stack were conspiring to siphon the lake away someone else decided to make the best of it as well. Good luck little ladies.

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>>174310738
they're amphibeeous

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>>174307827
I've never seen a world with little patches of glacier spread around like that. Weird.

Why can't my goblin of elven society not wear copper high boots? Are the boots too high for her little goblin legs?

>>174312882
Probably too large

>>174313080
Oh shit.
Maybe the name *large* copper highboots and the fact, that the description reads "sized for humans" should've made me wonder.
Thanks.

>>174313674
Yeah, in my experience it's really hard to find goblin sized armor, unless you go to a dark pits.

>>174313897
It's not that bad, since goblins can wear armor sized for dwarves. You can easily get some from a player fortress.

>>174314952
Worldgen fortresses usually sell armour pieces in their depots.

>>174313897
>goblin sized armor
I seem to fit dwarven armor, so I guess I'll just have to stab a few of those to get somewhat decent armor.

Since the thread needs to be bumped anyways I'll just throw in a couple of other newb questions:

>Is sleeping from dusk till dawn enough to get me fully rested?

>Is it safe to sleep in a deserted village?

>Is there something that makes me drowsy especially quickly, like swimming or traveling in general?

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r8

>>174315065
As for 2), bogeymen will not attack you as long as you are indoors. If the houses still have roofs, they're safe.
Safe from bogeymen, that is. It's possible for any critter wandering on the map to ambush you in your sleep, regardless of where you are. Against these, the only advantage populated towns have over deserted ones is the ready availability of meat shields.

>>174318294
There are also the wildlife ambushes, though. Since they spawn directly on you, they can kill you before you even wake up.

I don't know if wildlife ambushes can happen in abandoned sites. It sure as heck doesn't happen in populated ones.

>>174318278
Looks pretty/8

Aside from (painfully going through) barrows is there a way of making taverns/temples based on "skill'. EG an elite/legendary area's only.

>invaded
>dwarf leader in an activated squad carrying 10 rock blocks
>Half the fuckers are moaning about the rain

>>174320568
No.

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>>174321380
hmm.
I was really hoping to make an "officers" lounge for the better dwarfs

>>174321485
We can only hope that future versions allow us to create "reverse burrows", that is, areas where only selected dwarves are allowed to enter.

This will also be a good way only allow workers into potentially dangerous areas (i.e. magma forges and the occational magma animal that sneaks in through them).

>>174321795
Agreed.
I posted in the last thread about not wanting dwarfs to enter the caverns, HOWEVER I really don't care if McbumfuckSoap Maker wonders in and don't come back.

>>174321795
You can make burrows that only exclude the areas you want restricted and then assign all of the dwarves you don't want to give access, to that burrow.

>>174321886
I don't get this attitude.
It's easy to train any dwarf up from dabbling to legendary in the various industries. And barring that they can join the military. Or they can be haulers.

>>174322276
Yeah, but that's counterintuitive, and 900% more work, considering the small amount of people you actually want to include.

My suggestion would make it much easier.

>>174322328
it's a new player meme.

people who use it probably don't even know about v-p-l.

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>>174321083
>invaded
Pull the drawbridge in, closing the gate. A moat around the fort walls (soon) full of iron spears.
Station my 20 iron-clad marksdwarves on the fortification and fire volleys into a swarm of goblins, while 50-dorf leather-armor militia prepares at the gate.
Lower the bridge and sweep across the broken goblin force with the militia.
Spend next fucking year cleaning up the battlefield and dumping corpses just to have it finished before next siege ;_;

Been doing this for past 25 years, I think all the cities around my fort have fallen, dwarf and human caravans have stopped coming around year 20 after constant reports of shit being taken by goblins 24/7

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>>174322914

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>>174322914
I think I might try a terrifying biome next

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>>174323272
Arm yourself well struggler, and always butcher a corpse as soon as it bites the dust.

Do not go into the mist.

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Hey I tried to draw something Df related. Should I do more?

>>174323481
Get a better camera/scanner and some actual drawing paper if you do.

>>174322914
... and the severed part sails off in an ark!

Is it worth to make platinum weapons?

>>174323481
yes

>>174323921
You can't. Platinum can only be made into weapons through rare strange moods. They make good warhammers but that's it.

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>haven't played dorf fort in a while
>I'll dl the latest version and st WHAT IN THE MOTHER OF FUCK IS THIS SHIT

Is toady a fucking deviantart using, cock-sucking furry? What the fuck?

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>>174311968
One of my modded races likes to settle in glaciers so I set the variance for temperature/drainage the same, then set the weights so there was the same distribution of high drainage+low temperature to get little chunks of glacier.

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God damnit, diplomacy has failed.

>>174325176
>see beastmen, an old as fuck folkloristic trope, in a game where sex doesn't exist
>immediately assume there's something sexual about them
confirmed degenerate

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>>174311968
>>174325859
>No glaciers on mountain ranges that grow and shrink over the centuries in worldgen
>no comfy fortress built on top of a mountain with a glacier tongue meandering below
I didn't even know I wanted this before.

>>174326257
My sides.

>I'm feeling randy today!
>dragon bites your fucking head off

>>174326528
ascalygetswhatscomingtohim.jpg

>>174326635
As the guy who got his head chopped, I was trying to state my general thoughts to the dragon.

I didn't expect the character to go full retard and ACTUALLY state what he apperently was thinking.

>>174326305
Never underestimate furfag cancer. If they can play as their squirrel-man or hedgehog-man or fucking whatever fursona and get their content put into the game through donations you should be concerned.

>>174327007
>get their content put into the game through donations
they can't.

the only thing resembling that is the animal donation drive back in 2011, and that thing just added some ordinary animals into the game.

also, despite beastmen being playable since 2015, there hasn't been any furfaggotry in the general. you're the one bringing it up.

stop being obsessed.

My dorfs are engraving pictures of some fucking ettin lately. Does this mean he is in the same area as me?

>>174288797
Watch Das Tactics videos, if you have the patience. I've been trying to "get" DF for a long while, and it's been helping. He's very methodical

Ok guys, I've obviously bitten off more then I can chew.

This Fat Jade Dragon melts me in less then a second, god damnit, it took me days to get here... sucks to have to go somewhere else and kill something that isn't a dragon.

>>174329790
>ve obviously bitten off more then I can chew.
heh, not the dragon, he bit your head off

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>>174326257
Teach you to try to hit on a big bitchy fire breathing lizard!

I mean shit, even my intelligent flying deity-impersonating ones are friendlier than that.

>at least tell me I'm a pleasure to speak with before you call me a dangerous animal, say this stands between us, and THEN bite my head off

>>174326526
Hmmm, I've had mountains which were covered in ice from the biomes overlapping, but not proper glacial formations like that.

>>174327226
>>174327007
>>174326305
>>174325176
Whether or not they're furfaggotry or not, they can get really goddamn annoying when you get wild populations of them standing around your campsite spamming the quest/chat logs with pointless bullshit about "that one time I saw a raven and it scared me so I'm gonna count it as an epic battle dammit and tell all 6 of my friends who are just as dumb as me" forever.

If you wanna see the difference between df 40.24 npc behavior and df 42.xx through 43.05 npc behavior, the vast majority of folks you encountered in 40.24 acted like animal people now. Brainless historyless familyless idiotic placeholders.

This: http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12737 is the vanilla raws without animal people, as it is handy to have.

>>174329912
Seeing he was fat, I probably wasn't his first.

>>174330376
Well, got to respect someone that is more bite then bark for once.

Doppelgangers when?
I want my adventurer to fight a clone of himself to the death.

>>174323453
But anon, wouldn't the skin come back to life?

>>174331889
Not if you turn it into leather quickly enough.

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my forgotten beast is anorexic :'(

(I think I should finally go down and put him out of his misery. He has been killing crundles for years)

>>174332219
>He has been killing crundles for years
And your FPS too by setting everything on fire.

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>>174331684

>>174332219
Looks like he keeps getting caught in his own fire and melting off all his fat. Not exactly the workout routine I'd recommend.

>>174332219
Is living underground the new fad diet?

(Put him out of his misery, man. Might be worth it to make some nice shit out of it's bones and shit.)

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>>174332352
nah hes just getting shredded for summer.

but he might have problem with depression

>>174332352
Imagine if that worked in real life haha

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>>174332973
It does, it's just not pretty.

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Why do some things get blurry when zooming in and out, but not others?

Using default LNP settings.

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>>174333048
so, doing a haha was a mistake on my part then. sorry.

>>174333072
because tilesets usually use pixel artwork.
If you zoom in a lot on pixels, they generally look crappy.
Also, Phoebus is a disgusting tileset, at least switch to something like Obsidian or Ironhand, or better yet use ASCII.

>>174333223
Hmm, but that doesn't tell why some tile blur, and others pixelate
There is literally no argument for using ascii other than familiarity. Why wouldn't you use a graphics set that gives you more information?

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... something went wrong...
for some reason only one marksdwarf and a speardwarf actually tried attacking him. after that everything was on fire, couldn't see anything. People just stood around. the fire came closer

I've made a tactical retreat. 4 people dead.

on the positive side: my mayors head has melted

>>174333416
But I can fit more information on the screen with ascii.

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>>174333039
Awesome.

>>174333223
>>174333072
Also: some of those tiles are a different native size than others. The phoebus tiles started at 16x16 I think, then some were scaled up to 24x24 decently along with spacefox ones, while the newer wall and bridge tiles were added in by a different artist at 24x24 or maybe even 32x32 natively, allowing more detailed pixel work.

>>174333531
Can you, though?

>>174333637
There are no non-square graphics set.
ASCII wins boii

>>174333636
>Also: some of those tiles are a different native size than others
Ohh, that makes more sense. Thanks

>>174333734
Why are rectangles more information dense?

>>174333850
You can fit more rectangles on your screen than squares.

>>174333898
Only if your rectangles are thinner than my squares.

Squares are just smaller rectangles, man.

>>174321795
Creatures can only move through a magma forge if you design it poorly.

>>174333995
You have to make your squares thinner than my rectangles. I only have to make my rectangles as tall as your squares.

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>>174333734
Hrrm.

http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=11230

I meant to update that but the LNP format image sizes or pylnp script or something meant they were like 180x3000 pixels with almost entirely empty space and it was a goddamn annoying fucking pain in the ass getting them trimmed down before I could even start working on the desquare+rescale process.

Also have these I made which were inspired by the CLA method of "the graphic should resemble the letter" and which I've been putting off updating since GIMP was crashy with KDE+Wayland these last several updates though I should try again since it's been fixed recently apparently.

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Whats the usual length of time between tourneys around here. When might the next one be held? Give me an estimation pl0x

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TOADY GOD DAMMIT
LEARN HOW TO CODE SO MY SAVE FILES STOP CORRUPTING

>>174331991
my first experience in terrifying biome ended with leather being ressurected instantly after butchering. and that leather was stronger than undead owl that comes before i seal off entrance, i didn't expect that

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>>174334529
Sorry your save files won't toad properly

>>174334834
Kadôl!

>>174334659
currently small body parts and undead skin can be completely indestructible because of some bug
maybe that was the case for you

>>174333416
is it true? i'm playing ascii and i want to know

>>174335238
It's graphics, it's up to taste mang. But no, ascii doesn't really offer any advantages.

>>174335374
he said graphic set gives you more info

>>174333416
>Why wouldn't you use a graphics set that gives you more information?
they generally don't.

I don't hate graphical tilesets or anything, but I strongly disagree with you here.

99% of all creature graphics I've seen have had countless different generic four legged mammals, which can barely be told apart. at least the first letter would have given me a hint, but with those vague graphics, I always need to 'l'ook before I can be sure.

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>>174333850
>>174333898
>>174334062
>>174335238
Squares are limited natively to 24x24 on a 1920x1080 screen, 80x45 tiles, nonsquare you can go up to 24x36 (technically you could do 24x48 but it hurts my head) on a 1920x1080, 80x30 tiles, giving 50% more pixels per tile.

Graphics sets still require encoding the creature representation so it maps to the identity of that creature, theoretically you could use the cached images your brain uses so you don't ever have to think "that's a cat" but instead just automatically recognize "KITTY!" along with numerous other mappings stored and tied into your visual cortex.

Unfortunately the features which trigger those automatic recognition functions aren't easily represented in a 24x24 or even 24x36 tile, much less a 16x16 or smaller ones.

,,,(^..^),,,
That //should// make your brain pass it through a few checks and come up with "cat claws+happy eyes=happy cat" just like :) triggers "smile" or (_._) should fire the "butt" recognition function... maybe (_o_) if you watch a lot of anal vids?

Seeing a little orange blob which kinda has a tail shape and kinda has pointy ear shapes and looks like it has at least four legs might trigger the "cat" function, but most likely you're going to have to link to it and learn what it represents anyways.

CLA tricks a lot of these functions since you are primed by the reading trigger of a word that starts with a "c" and your brain can cue off of the pointy ears/facial features to fire the "cat" function easily.

With ASCII you're still learning "grey c is a cat, white c is a cavy, green D is trouble, brown D pulls wagons, white H is a mount, red H is gonna eat you" type stuff.

>>174333995
>just smaller rectangles, man
phwoah

>>174336528
Hey man, still using your tileset and loving it. The grey tiles have really grown on me.

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>>174336810
Nice, they're definitely an acquired taste but the way grass comes out as a tapestry kinda look is very cozy. Though again, it's only possible at all due to dePlatino making the vector set in the first place.

Incidentally our various tileset creation interested/experienced anons might wanna check out his thread or just the tutorial he did for vector tilesets: http://imgur.com/a/0RliE

The whole "sizes up or down automatically" shit is wizard level I'm pretty sure.

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>>174325859
Hah. (The _ is a space in the seed but it's a habit to use underscores in filenames in their place)

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Now that the dust has settled: which staircase design is the best?

>>174335591
Your argument is that you can't parse the information as well, which is not the same as saying the information isn't there. ASCII tilesets are limited to representing a number of unique units of information equal to the possible combinations of colors and tiles (4096) which is further limited by the fact that creatures only use a portion of those tiles. A graphics set has a vastly higher limit to the number of unique units of information. For a 24x24 set there are over 133000000000000000000000000000000 possible tiles before you even start talking about colors. That doesn't even touch the question of visual isomorphism, which is a whole informatic quality that is almost completely lacking in ASCII sets, and which most graphics sets at least attempt to achieve.
I personally use an ASCII set because I prefer the aesthetic. It's silly to argue that they contain more information though, especially if the basis for that argument is your inability to process the information in a more information-dense medium.

>>174339897
quantity<quality

Sure, it's technically possible to arrange all the pixels in a near infinite amount of ways. But it's far easier to tell the difference between two letters than to tell the difference between two near identical pictures where only a few pixels differ.

It's also far easier to tell the difference between two of the game's default 16 colours than to tell the difference between every thinkable colour a creature graphic artist may have used.

Most creature graphic authors I've seen haven't even managed their palettes in a conscious manner. Instead, they've introduced new colours arbitrarily, resulting in countless numbers of near identical colours in the same set. In the real pixel art community, this behaviour is considered really bad form.

>>174340523
I'm not making a quality argument, as I said I prefer ASCII. I'm just arguing against the claim that ASCII presents more information than graphics. It's de facto false, and your inability to process that information is irrelevant to the question.

>>174341564
No offense anon, but your nitpicking is honestly irritating me.

Do you by any chance point out logical fallacies in everyday speak, as well?

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Pressing "q" brings me to this page instead of the marker appearing, what the fuck did I do wrong guys?

>>174342275
Is cap lock on?

>>174342198
He's probably going to complain how you forgot to put a comma next to "Do you".

>>174342654
That's not it, the first thing I tried was caps locks.

>>174342198
It's not nitpicking, you made a false statement.
Do you get irritated every time someone calls you out for being wrong about something?

>>174342936
And you're not in some sub menu?

>>174342275
Maybe you rebinded ; to q instead.

>>174343180
Nope, default screen.
>>174343181
All other keys except "space" don't work.

my dream of breeding cave crocodiles has become a nightmare. the fucking hatchlings are EVERYWHERE

>>174343181
>>174343180
>>174342654
It fixed itself after end process and restarting, thanks anyway guys.

>>174343858
The future of your fort:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JLy-Iiy_Zp4

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>>174342703
Everyday speak should probably be everyday conversations, while we're at it.

Is therapist/lazy newb pack never getting updated or what?

>>174346121
There's beta versions of both available. http://dffd.bay12games.com/file.php?id=12743

>>174330376
>Hmmm, I've had mountains which were covered in ice from the biomes overlapping, but not proper glacial formations like that.

Imagine if it would actually depend on snow deposition in a given area.
I mean we already have values for precipitation and temperature, so we already know how much snow a given tile gets. Now we'd just need to calculate if more snow accumulates vs how much snow melts away. We also have drainage, so maybe that can play a role. Does the temperature value track changes over the year?

The longer I play DF, the less I'm interested in aspects like fortress defense or industry, and the more I'm interested in more realistic world generation and simulation of a living world with dynamic civilizations (wars and functioning economy) and dynamic nature (ecological and geological changes).

I'm glad that DF is actually improving in those aspects, and it's great that fortress mode benefits from it.

I wonder if Toady will ever implement a more interesting world generation. I mean we have myth generation soon, and we have history generation, but in between or before that there's so much potential for a more detailed geological generation.

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>>174348487
Would be interesting if they started to fuse biomes together sometimes, to form unique biomes from them, like volcanic glaciers, and ashen forests, with ash-coloured trees and grass, and lava flowers and rivers.

>>174349038
I'm not sure if I follow your logic, but from a fantasy world perspective, this would be pretty great.

>>174348487
Well, ontologically speaking, the myths should make up the foundation of the entire physical world. It makes sense that Toady works on them before making more advanced worldgen.

I agree that improved worldgen would be nice after the myths. Tectonic plates and seismic activity would make the maps far more interesting. Instead of just generic hills and valleys, different kinds of formations could be formed by goelogical processes.

Simulating all these processes could give us exciting new natural formations to explore, like canyons, rock shelters, overhangs, faults, and so on.

Furthermore, civs should be able to interact with these formations. Some entities might build entire villages under rock shelters, or build huge bridges over faults.

>>174348487
River generation at the very least will have to get a pass when he does boats, and myths/magic will include their own geological features so there'll be something there. He's talked before about how wants there to be more complex geological formations, so both of those will be opportunities to work on it.

>>174349340
Well, imagine if sometimes when two biomes generate near each other, like a forest and a volcano, the more "malleable" of the two biomes (the forest) would gradually adapt to being near a volcano, and not only change the appearance and temperature of the biome, but also cause new fauna, plant-life and weather patterns to emerge.

It's a pretty weird concept, but I think it could work well given enough time and refinement.

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>>174349608
Absolutely. It only was once climbing was added that it became apparent to me how uninteresting the mountain-forming processes are.

Creating a fortress at the foot of a mountain could be a lot more interesting if the shape of the mountain would be different.

>>174349608
>Mine into a fault
>Fort destroyed by earthquake

I didnt know I wanted this

>>174351261
>earthquakes
>eruptions
>tsunamis
Yes please.
I want my fort to turn into motherfucking Pompeii.

>>174352519
I don't know. That just sounds like an arbitrary game over screen to me. Earthquake proofing isn't exactly a mediaeval technology.

>>174352967
Well, hopefully they'd be balanced so it is at least possible to survive one without losing hours of progress.

>>174352967
You could become trapped in a pocket underground left by the earthquake or something of the like. These are dwarves were talking about after all

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>>174352519
>Finally get the hang of DF
>getting up industry is no problem
>defeating sieges without losses is practically automated at this point
>you can plan an assault of hell and, with enough preparation, pull it off

>along comes a natural catastrophe and fucks up your 20 year old fortress

>it's not random, but because of a bad embark site decision you made
>It takes several adventurers surveying embark spots to find a good, safe spot
>you follow fault lines, do geological surveys and research history in libraries looking for records of periodic catastrophes

>another fort
>strategically placed
>plan a megaproject dropping a giant plug into an inland sea
>generate tsunami that hits other shore hard
>economic implications make sieging an enemy fortress easier

OH GOD I'M CUMMING SO HARD


>>174352967
I think it's fair to expect an eruption if you embark near an active volcano, and to expect problems with floods if you embark near the sea.
Similar things apply to making your wooden above ground village under a glacier or earthquakes along a obvious fault line (imagine seeing a line of volcanoes on the world map).
Of course it needs to be more or less predictable to a certain degree - and there should be rewards to taking the risk (easy access to magma for example).

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>>174353343
Plus,you could use magic to help defend yourself from disasters more easily, and create even more unique forts, like lava castles and underwater forts. It would require incredibly talented Geomancers to create such forts, but holy hell, it'd be awesome.

Not to mention since DF is a fantasy game, there could also be all kinds of fantastical natural disasters, like ice-fire storms and so on.

>start my first fortress
>three years in, everything is going smoothly, nothing but mountain gnomes that are swiftly caged and sold to the next caravan
>after maybe three days of playtime i start to get bored, unsure of what i'm doing wrong
>learn about civilizations, check the civ screen
>no goblins

Oh! That explains why nothing is happening. Do I start again in a better embark?

>>174353793
I would find another aspect especially interesting:
"Preventive engineering"
Creating avalanche barriers, breakwaters, lava drainage channels and so on.

Of course material degradation and non-indestructible constructions would be necessary to make it non-trivial.

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>>174353343
Noticed what looked like a volcano chain across part of this map, and yeah, the filename is the seed, it's fun seeing how random shit changes world gen.

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>>174354859
>vomit oceans
>rectangle fag

Checks out.

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>tfw no primordial dew

>>174354558
And with such defences could come ways to harness the power of natural disasters for yourself.

It would be an incredible high risk/high reward thing, but it would be awesome to use eruptions as ways to conquer foes or to use tsunamis to help put out a fire storm.

>>174353956
If you explore below you'll almost certainly find some FUN

>>174349897
speaking of volcano's when I unretired a fort my metalsmith forges were engulfed in 1/7 lava,does it actually move now from 34?

>>174353956
The civ screen only shows you which civs you've already interacted with on your embark. It doesn't show you which civs are nearby.

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>>174355365
Soon anon you'll be able to send out squads to rescue the children from gobos!

mwahahahahahhahahaha

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>>174355079
Was mistaken, it was "Suck It Squarefags" actually.

Also, uh, wow... sometimes when you're doing a lot of world-gens you kinda get in a zone where you figure out how to do neat shit like get a cluster of mountain lakes linked with rivers: https://pastebin.com/a1fFXjFW

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>>174356334
Note: you'll want to change the beasts/titans/secrets/vampires/etc values because I have them set weirdly due to my modded stuff replacing lots of that.

>>174354558
Non-vulcanized rubber was used in the 14th century to make balls for the aztec ball game.
If toad would introduce a source of natural rubber we could suspend constructions on it much like modern skyscrapers do.

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found my next megaproject

getting goblins in cages and then shoving them down a minecart track into the magma

will report back with results soon

>>174357717
make webms plz

How do I limit goblins in worldgen without completely removing them?

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>>174357717
This'll be fucking messed up, but really interesting to see.

Godspeed, Hitler 2.0.
Maybe when you finished you could submit this idea to some higher ups at an amusement park or something.

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>>174357717
Is it possible to capture a dust producing forgotten beast?

>Dump elves
>Open hatches
>close hatches
>repeat

>>174358806
why not? Webbed cage trap should get anything that isn't able to produce webs itself

>>174358936
I was wondering if it would produce dust from within the cage killing anyone that tried to relocate it

>>174357717
>>174358936
oh and im currently in the process of capturing a fire breathing forgotten beast that way. heat up the ovens. (beast behind a fortification and bridge = flame thrower?)

>>174359112
hm i don't know.
didn't even think about that. Since you can put animals in cages in magma and stuff like that I always think about them as completely sealed containers.

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>>174358806
Elfschwitz

>>174360007
Well Played.

>>174359112
It won't. If catch a FB with poisonous secretions it can if the syndrome material's boiling point is lower than the ambient temp. They're probably the rarest kind of FB, though, so good luck.

Could someone redpill me on masterwork? I always see users on /dfg/ bitch about it but I can't find anything wrong with it.

>>174362624
>Crashes out the ass
>tileset a shit
>Even less balance than the vanilla game
>Just get Succubus Dungeon instead

>>174362428
So I could trap one, release it in a design like my pic in
>>174358806
?

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>tfw you're throwing vomit mixed with clay and crab blood at a dying monitor lizard as a smol moth archer

>>174363031
Yeah. You'd be better off using a bridge than hatches, though.

>TWBT

how can people play with this

At the Embark screen where I see my neighbors, do I have to have Goblins with the WAR status to get goblin sieges thrown at me?

how can i catch the kobolds and goblins trying to rob me instead of outright killing them

>>174368109
No, if they show up as ---- you'll get sieges too.

>>174367119
>how can people play with this
So you enjoy tilesets completely fucking up your text considering tilesets and fonts were not separated by default in the game?
Also, what do you have against multi-z level view? Its nice, especially when you watch your dwarves on a fortified wall fire downwards into a goblin army.

>>174367119
I was one of the people that thought it would be imperative for DF to show more than 2 z-levels at a time. The more TWBT screenshots I saw, the more I thought it was horrible.

Now, I don't know if that's because the usual tilesets and common TWBT settings just fucking suck -- and if reasonable settings do indeed improve things -- but as it stands, TWBT makes things worse instead of improving the situation.

>>174368109
No, but it helps. More important factors:
>distance to the nearest pits
>how much population they have
>how much of that population isn't busy with sieging more important targets

>>174369196
Cage traps and strategic choke points.

>>174369464
>completely fucking up your text

I've grown used to periods and commas being fucked up

it's charming, really.

but twbt just makes everything so fucking confusing

if I add the [pet] tag toward every animal & then [trainable] will it cause any weird issues when I catch a troll?

TWBT does several different things
>show more than 2 z-levels
>show background tile below creature (new apparently)
>fix text & allow separate world map tileset
>allow different graphics for different weapon tiles (and similar things)
>probably something else I forgot

Be specific when you discuss it.

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>>174369652
Just because you got used to seeing coffins instead of a 0 or similar text fuck ups doesn't mean its bad to want to fix and obvious error with a simple plugin.
Why is that so hard to understand?
What about TWBT confuses you that people like?

Consult this list >>174370012

>>174370012
>>174370151
that's fantastic, can I have all the good settings without the eye raping multilayer view

>>174370306
Yes, multi-layer view can be easily toggled, you could have figured that out yourself if you had two braincells to rub together and spent 30sec checking through the thread/documentation for the plugin.

>>174370306
Yes. You just turn that feature off.

>>174370502
woah buddy why are you so angry are you part of the twbt fangroup or something

So what have you done to please the King of the dwarfs lately?

Ive made him a polished dwarf skull with diamonds encrusted into it

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Just broke into a tomb and now I'm fighting a mummy.

Motherfucker can tank hits, that's for sure.

>>174339583
Now that the dust has settled: Can you remove yourself from the gene-pool?

>>174370747
t. cursed man

>>174370605
Not angry, simply pointing out your lazyness.
Especially if you are this guy complaining about something without even understanding it >>174367119

>>174370835
>not angry

confirmed fucking angry

>>174370812
I got fucked harder than a backalley whore by the mummy.

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>>174370012
>crash in adventurer mode when you try to enter travel mode after loading a save
It's a bummer, but hey.

Also tried: \(^_^)/ as a seed, and that is a neat fucking river on the right side.

Adventure tip: You can wield multiple shields and each gets its own combat roll. Also, you get experience for each shield so you can become legendary in a minute or so.

>>174370989
Try typing Toady into the seed generator.
See if that yields any cool results.

>Embark
>Tab Tab
>u
>Right Right

if you don't do this every time you're small time

>>174371239
what does it do

>>174371373
tab twice to close the minimap

U to open units tab, right twice to see what animals are up in your shit

>>174371239
Every single time.

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>>174371096
Swear someone did that already.

>>174371239
>Tab Tab
not Tab Tab Tab
What a pleb.
The menu/keybinds appear anyway when you pause or start doing something like designating or building.

>>174371441
oh yeah

>>174371536
>A FUCKING SQUARE
what did Toady mean by this?

>>174371664
>Toady = Square
Have we discovered something amazing?

>>174371664
>toady
It looks like a PerfectWorld map.

>>174371846
It's a map generated by DF. A "tile" is obviously saved as "square" as far as the game logic is concerned - everything else would be ridiculous.

>>174372092
When I said square, I meant that the entire continent was in the shape of a square, with corners and everything.

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Decided to play as a Spooderperson, and this is what god my character worships.

This is the best god I've gotten by far.

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So I'm not the brightest bulb in the batch and I punctured an aquifer. I didn't really know how aquifers work and I figured it would just drain out eventually, but I realized it wasn't going to anytime soon and I decided to wall it off with some walls, doors, and floodgates. Thing is I'd like to get to some of the ores. How can I drain this place enough to minimize the area that the aquifer is in? I know where the aquifer "tile" is (top right) and the goal is obviously to eventually wall that off so that I can keep the area nice and clean.

Is this possible or is this area too far gone? Most of it is only 1-2/7 high.

>>174372428
That's just how DF generates terrain. You can see it at all levels.

>>174334140
Never ever?

>>174372824
The aquifer tile is an infinite source of water. It will fill up 7/7 to the height of the aquifer tile.
If your dwarves can still reach it, wall it off closer.

Of course there's more ore on the map, and losing that little bit won't kill you anyway.

>>174372835
No, not really.

My maps never come out as squares with corners and shit.

>>174358274
>messed up

Not as messed up as a group of people making up ridiculous stories in order to eternally chastise the good people of germany.

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>>174373375
>Not as messed up as a group of people making up ridiculous stories in order to eternally chastise the good people of germany.

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Lol, now when i deconstructed my wagon i see the same bug as with workshops. All this will lie here indefinitely.

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>>174373703
>blocks your euphoria

>>174374103
Of course it will just lie where you left it if you dont have a freaking stockpile.
The reason why shit spills out of your workshop you deconstruct is because you didnt have a stockpile for that stuff in the first place, so it was cluttering in the workshop.

>>174374407
I have stockpile. And no, it won't become cluttered, that's a bug.

>>174374295
H-he's fast!

>>174372824
If you're going to stop the aquifer you need to do it right now while the water is low enough to work in or it will become a major engineering project later. If it's only one tile you can just build a wall under it.

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>>174373286
It's due to using the weighted grid settings and messing around with tweaking various parameters, but don't worry, it's not really square.

It's still a rectangle though.

Can we harness the power of lightning?

>>174376820
What like an 80's metal band?

Also, Toady is not a good seed, but pi is.

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>>174298082
>be elf
>bring grown longsword to siege dwarves
>strike a mighty blow!
>it's deflected by his x(pig tail mitten)x
>head turns into Gore after he punches my effeminate face
>give into the pain

>>174379297
Dwarves are just naturally good at boxing and bar fights.

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>>174379297

>>174339583
I used to use a 2x2 up/down staircase, now all my roads are wagon/depot (even to lava level) accessible using ramps like in pic because reasons.

>>174359285
Careful, forgotten beasts are very dangerous, typically immune to cage traps, and aren't trainable. I'd recommend training a dragon instead (although it might melt your ovens)

>>174369196
Cage traps (b->T->c) just make a shell outside your base of them (leave space for wagon) and they'll meander in blindly

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plaster buildings when?

How do I pray to a Deity in Adventure Mode? Just by talking to it?

>>174383242

If it appears on the k menu, yes.

If you don't have a deity there, you won't be able to get one.

There is some deity specific dialogue (I should say monologue, the deity never responds) if I recall correctly; try talking about your emotions.

>>174383242
yeah that should do the trick

>>174383242
Yes

>>174386836
>>174386854
>>174386982

Seems like that did the trick, thanks!

>>174386836
>>174386854
>>174386982
>>174387396
Most useful this thread has ever been imo

>>174357717
don't forget to shotgun them rather than just submerging them.

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so i have this troll hanging out near the bedrooms,but he isn't doing anything.Should i be worried?

>>174388837
There's a bug in this version where cave animals are non-hostile unless provoked. Usually humanoids like Cave Trolls and Cave Ogres, and that one grabby thing.

Can I create scrolls/quires with the current build system in adventure mode? Or do I have to mod in a special reaction

Why cats are coming to the new location that you just dug out. and then goes back?

>>174388837
It is doing something. It's destroying one of those doors. If you t over them you'll see that one of them has some level of wear. It takes an unreasonably long amount of time.

>>174393076
>miasa feels why time to toggle cat

>>174391349
No, there's no way to make writing materials without mods. You can find them in worldgen libraries, though.

>>174371556
It messes with F1, F2 etc zooms though, which I use a lot.

>>174373703
Hey now, why would I want to wear a fedora when it would cover up my sweet spencer cut?

>>174373703
>implying 6 gorillion jews werent dusted by Hitler's pet quad-antennae octoped made of vomit

It's like you think its easier to believe the lie

ARISE!

ded thread is ded

off to IRC

>>174402882
We live, we die, we live again

>>174403016
Witness me, Urist, for I am awaited in the Plane of Legends!

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>>174404893
shiny and chromite

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>>174405420
>mediocre

Fuck it, I'mma topple some holy statues. Where can I find them? Hamlets? Towns?

>>174408413
temples in towns

>>174408736
Thanks!

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>>174235314

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Decided to throw together some graphics for the nine tribal beastman species.

I used the same tile for all the herptiles (lower row).

I also interpreted them quite liberally, so they all have standard human bodies (to be consistent with the other creature graphics).

>>174409739
They're quite hard to identify. Which is which? And how do they compare to elves and goblins?
They all kinda look like "elf-eared humanoid".

>>174410589
I know. I'm actually considering making my creature graphics polychrome at this point.

I have no idea how I should do it, though. Is there any way of doing it without having to copy paste them hundreds of times and then painstakingly assigning them to every thinkable profession in the game?

>>174411819
Layers for profession identifiers, tools, weapons, clothing, other props that you draw and then swap onto rows of the same profession/different race and use colorize to get them all whichever color you pick before exporting the layers together?

>>174412430
I don't want any of that kitsch.

I just want them to have the same colour on their skin and shoes, but differenly coloured robes and caps depending on their profession. The colours will be the CGA counterparts of the 16 vanilla calours.

>>174412584
Color the skin and shoes, leave the rest white. Let the game color it. Check out how levers or beds in phoebus/ironhand/etc are made. Some pixels are colored, while others are grey. The latter get colored according to the material.

I'm not 100% sure how it works though. Experiment a little.

Also this is a perfect application for photoshop/gimp actions:
Find a way to automate it.


And use the standard the community established to assign them to professions (QS standardizer).
A script will create empty image files and text files for you and you just have to insert graphics.

http://www.bay12forums.com/smf/index.php?topic=156151.0

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>>174412941
Will the coloured details remain the same? They won't get another colour on top of them and turn into vomit? Don't you need to use AS_IS or whatever it was named to preserve the original colours (except I don't want to use that, because I want the profession colours on the shirts).

Also:
>use the standard
Kek. Does this look like the work of someone who respectes standards?

>>174413176
>They won't get another colour on top of them and turn into vomit?
I honestly don't know. But it's not like it takes long to find out. Just try it and report back with your findings.

>Does this look like the work of someone who respectes standards?
If you use it, you can automate the generation of the text files. If you want to write them all by hand, be my guest.

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>>174413312
Yup, it turned into vomit.

What's the deal with child cap? I tried 1:1000,1:1,1:5 but I still can't figure out how it works. I can't have that many dorfs on my shitty toaster so I need to keep the children down. Any ideas?

>>174413718
Alright then, have fun setting up photoshop actions.
Once you found a reasonable setup, it shouldn't be too tedious.

>>174414414
Nah, I'll probably keep them as they were.

Currently, I'm using the DEFAULT token to give the same tile to all non-military professions, and I have no desire at all to assign them all manually.

>>174414601
>Nah, I'll probably keep them as they were.
I think it's a good fit for your creature graphics to keep them that way.


>I have no desire at all to assign them all manually.
As I said, you don't need to. There are tools to do it entirely automatic.
The only thing you need to do is to draw them, but the more I think about it, the easier it would be.

Anyway, as I said, keeping them monochromatic fits your style, so there's really no need either way.

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Post superior dwarven cooking

>>174413762
Pls respond.

>>174358806
>>174359112
You could just put it behind a fortification instead.

>>174409447

Marvelous truly the Van Gogh of our General

A Mayor set me on fire in Adventure mode, how do I stop burning?

>>174415302
Did you try jumping in water?

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>>174409447
ariGATO for the GATOs

>>174415342
I'm inside an NPC fortress and for some reason I can't move, only Jump. Which means I can't open doors...

>Their entire courtyard is on fire.

>>174415302
an old version of fire in the wiki (40d:Fire)
says that fast travel (T) can do it.
maybe it still works or you just die while traveling. try it out

>>174415342
>>174415509

It put itself out after a few minutes apperently. Fireball hit me in the mouth and now all my teeth are incinerated.
That wont heal, will it? Not that I mind too much...

>>174415610
>all my teeth are inthinerated
Fixed that for you