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I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES

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2nd for killer psionic butterflies

Double threads are against the rules.

Let the other thread actually hit the post limit ffs

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>>174240604
i have this mod, humans look pretty neat, i like it. Has lts of other new great looking species as well.

>>174241440
>>>/vp/

>>174242103
has list* of other new species

Does neutering pops give the same diplomatic maluses as outright exterminating them?

>>174242103
>Choosen

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>>174240997
Don't worry OP, we know about the blackmail the antsfags have been subjecting you to, but your true allegiance to the spider queen did not go unnoticed.

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From last thread, I have a few questions about the Synthetic ascension and megastructures, and getting top the actual part where i can verify these things is very time consuming. I'd really appreciate if some anon could answer these for me in advance:
1) Once i get my people into Synths, can they reproduce? If, as i imagine, they can't, can i build Synths which belong to my people? Or are newly built synths after the ascension considered a different species?
2) Aside from greatly reduced mantainence, what are the advantages of the Synth ascension compared to just build the damn things? I've seen leaders become immortal and gain a Synth bonus for whatever they do, is it true (and as good as Psionic's ones)?
3) Is there a way to not adopt the Synth portrait once ascended?

4) what are the exact requirements for a Ring world? Is it just a star with no habitated planets? Does it require a specific number of planets/celestial bodies?
5) What about habitats requirements? Can i build them on top of a ring world section?

>>174242457

For civilian ships often there's a national prefix and a utility prefix (describing the use or cargo of the ship)

For naval vessels, some nations have multiple (the Royal Navy in the UK has about 15 titles including the Her Majesty's/HMS titles which are used on civilian ships too)

Or you have the Argentinian prefix of ARA which stands for Navy of the Argentine Republic.

Some don't have any prefixes. Some countries have a prefix used for military and civilian (USS/United States Ship, HMS/Her Majesty's Ship).

In Stellaris I often just use my empire's name with V or S on the end because I'm boring. VCV/Vol Combine Vessel in my last one for instance.

>>174241440
My butterflies are psionic too, they're just friendly xenophile warmongers instead.

They kind of lend themselves to spiritualism.

>>174242936

Honestly by the time you reach synth evolution you should be thinking about either making some insane dedicated worlds or Dyson spheres and maintenance quickly becomes a non issue.

But yes you will need to build every single pop.

>>174242936
1. i don't think they can reproduce. you can build your new synthesised people, but you can't build default synthetics anymore. ascended synths and default synths are different species.
2. leaders and pops get the synth trait, all of them. synth leaders are immortal. not sure how it compares to psi
3. i don't think so. mess with the game files i guess

>>174241440
Fanatic purifiers can't get psionics.

>displacement counts as genocide
>I'M the bad guy now
Make it stop.

are strike craft any good?

>>174243717
No

>>174243437
Also:
>progressives hate that I don't gib right to subavian xenos
>but they're fine if I gas them (and return to being happy afterwards)
Is this paradog being retarded or 2deep4me commentary on the state of modern progressive left?

>catching up to my neighbor I have a defensive pact with and just integrated my vassal
>fleet pushing 2k, gitting gud
>zealot neighbor goes from NAP to war
>zealot fleet rolls in with 5.4k
>my fleet is 1.7k of corvettes
>get engaged at a starport and get wiped
[screaming]

>want to play short lived roboticist birds and get penned in somewhere, massproduce megastructures and synths
>wind up with 1.2 spiral arms all to myself
Thanks, Johan.

>>174244119
>not having a 5k fleet with 10 cruisers 20 destroyers and 50 corvettes 40 years in
Shameful.

>>174243717
Fighters are good for PD and dealing with corvettes, bombers are trash avoid at all costs.

>>174244830

why are bombers bad? no PD?

You'd think the bombers would be ideal for fighting corvettes

Why bother with strike crafts? My ships invariably destroy all of them before they even fire, I don't see any reason to assume my strike crafts would reach the AI's ships.

Why does genocide take so long?
Gassing a bunch of xenos takes longer than building a ringworld section.

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>>174245081
>You'd think the bombers would be ideal for fighting corvettes

>>174245081
PD weapons deal PD damage which works against strike craft but is otherwise shit damage.
Flak cannons deal capital ship damage but they ALSO work as PD.

Bombers have a SLOW flight into battle. Their speed seriously needs to be doubled or tripled, but it doesn't matter because they'll get pulverized by flak.

>>174245278

You'd think a bomber would be great for destroying something 10-15 times the fucking size of it.

Is that an insane concept?

>>174245289

Gotcha.

>>174245352
bombers regularly destroy targets many times the size of themselves even in real life warfare you fucking retard

>>174245570

What's wrong with you?

>You'd think a bomber would be great for destroying something 10-15 times the fucking size of it.

No seriously what's wrong with you.

Keep in mind almost every single game with space combat I can recall has a system such as:

>Fighters kill Bombers
>Bombers kill pretty much anything bigger than them.
>Anti-fighter kills both bombers and fighters

That's depressing, i wish they make strike craft as viable as the artillery/arc emitter line. maybe increase their speed and evasion so flak doesnt shred them apart? It would also buff FE/AA, since it seems they have at least 1 wing of fighters in all their ships.

>>174245762
what? Are you agreeing with me now?

>>174245836

Are you making bizzare links in the conversation or something.

>>174245081
>>174245352
>>174245762

These are me.

I started by saying that bombers should probably work against corvettes logically speaking considering the size differences in Stellaris, but the balance turns out differently, apparently.

My opinion hasn't changed.

>No way to speed up robot pop growth

Truly a crime against all synthkind. Taking Machinist at game start should at least reduce their build time from 2.5 year to 2 or something to balance the fact that you're stuck with it.

>>174245570
Are you an actual retard? That's exactly what anon has been saying.

>>174245820

Yeah, It'd be interesting if bombers were a big enough threat that fighters became almost mandatory against large bomber squadrons.

Right now you can simply spam flak cannons and they're irrelevant, in fact, you can not even bother with flak, and they're still pretty much irrelevant.

>>174246021
I disagree, bombers are very good against bigger ships!

>>174245972
>>174246021
>You'd think the bombers would be ideal for fighting corvettes

I guess this means the opposite then

>>174245820
Flak weapons suffer from the same problem original Supcom AA weapons had. Weapons in one theater had a vastly different health/damage scale than another theater, which leads to stupid things like gunships 1-shotting interceptors and huge UFOs getting shot down by a single lucky arty strike.

All the PD, missiles and strike craft need a 2-5x hp buff across the board so the values begin to compare with everything else.

Then PD gets its damage scaled but also minus 50%-66% vs cap ships.

Then and only then can you have sanely balanced cross theatre weapons like flak.

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>>174246132

>>174246079
>>174246249
hey paracucks think how much money you'll make with Space Midway™ DLC and fixing the AI

>>174246330
no u

In Stellaris, what civics are the best to take for someone who doesn't want to be a pacifist pussy.

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>>174246447

how much money do you think paradox will charge for the ability to sort the order in which your fleets/planets/sectors appear in your overview?

$5.99 seems likely.

They'll probably also charge £5.99 and €5.99 just because.

>>174246249
>and huge UFOs getting shot down by a single lucky arty strike.
>implying that wasn't FUCKING AWESOME
>not having a literal rain of artillery fire to bring down incoming Czars

>>174246591
civilian service and fleet admirality with fanatic militarist, and then pick the flesh is weak ascension for +15% fire rate

i got an +83% fire rate with fanatic purifers

Any opinions on Novio Magnum 3? Thinking of giving it a whirl to replace ISB for a bit.

>>174246591
Fanatic purifiers and whatever.

> tfw tried going for an early aggression game where I instantly occupy shit the second I discover a new civilization
> it works

Too bad all of the xenos are too fucking ugly to ever have around. I'm never lucky enough to encounter a qt space squid or space elf empire to integrate into my own culture as slaves.

>>174246712
Don't get me wrong, they definitely counterbalanced TOO FAR in the other way which was also stupid. For every HP of tanks on the ground you could put 3HP of interceptors in the sky.

But no one said those devs were smart. they still have the free ACU upgrade exploit and AI engineers are still independent AI players that destroy CPUs

>>174246872
>find humanoid aliens for the first time
>they're hivemind
oh well, roaches and fungus people are my only friends i suppose

Is this general normally just /stellaris/, or is it just because it was updated recently?

When Endless Space 2 releases next month, will there be discussion of that?

>>174247240
>will there be discussion of that?
May be.

>>174246658
Typically these patches are free.
The only stuff they actually make you pay for in updates is the new, significantly game changing content.

>unbidden show up
>50k fleet
how the flying fuck do I win against this

>>174247396
Hope theres an AE/FE between you and the portal.

>>174247396

>not having 200k by the time the unbidden show up.

In Stellaris, what traditions do people generally take for early expansion, Prosperity or Expansion?

>>174247396
You get a better fleet.

>>174247517
Prosperity opener, all of expansion.

>>174247517

Take the pick up bonus for prosperity, fill expansion out, then make a beeline for the survey discovery bonus, and start surveying the galaxy as much as possible.

>>174247571
I can actually win agaisnt one 50k with my 40k one, but then other 50k ones rape my ass

>>174241190
and I say kill em all!

>>174247517
>>174247615
>>174247653
This

>>174247653

Oh yeah and, pick either technological ascension or master of nature for your first ascension, after you have those two then possibly start going down an evolutionary ascension path.

Tier 1 cyborgs (flesh is weak) is great, don't go any further down the path than that, generally pointless.

Gene modding asension is great but not that interesting either.

Psionic evolution is cool and gives nice evasion but isn't as cool as it could be.

Looking to start playing with Cities Skylines again - what are some new essential mods or assets? Are any of the DLC after the night one worth getting?

If two Awakened Empires are going at it, and dragging the entire galaxy into their conflict, can I safely research jump drives without waking up the Unbidden?

Is it just me or is democratic really unnecessarily annoying? I just hate how often election comes up, by themselves they might have been okay, but it's just so annoying how they are so random and they can elect scientists and other people you need where they currently are.

Elections overhaul when?

>>174248398
No, war in heaven isn't classed as an end game crisis

>>174248398
Nope. A War in Heaven doesn't qualify as a crisis.

You should still get jump drives because fuck these losers.

>>174248481
It also gives you stupidly large amounts of influence.

>>174248226

>cities skylines
>4x

i know there's no city builder general any more but it's a bit of a stretch

>>174248627
Look at the OP

>>174248481
Elections need to get fixed that's for sure mandates always give 250 influence when they should be giving 60-200

>>174248481
>>174248581

i guess the intention is to give democratic republics an advantage over others in influence to represent.... who knows?

one of the most annoying things is that endless space 2 represents democracy better in imperial non-democratic empires than stellaris does with actual 'democratic' republics

it means fucking nothing

>>174248481
>Is it just me or is democratic really unnecessarily annoying? I just hate how often election comes up, by themselves they might have been okay, but it's just so annoying how they are so random and they can elect scientists and other people you need where they currently are.
>Elections overhaul when?

Imperial all the way. Fuck elections. Waste of time.

>decide to create a full war race
>everyone next to me is peaceful and is creating a huge ass alliance against me
>decide to create a full peace race
>got an extremely aggressive neighbour next to me
This shit can't be real.

convince me why i should pick oligarchy over democracy

>>174248627
This place has kind of evolved into PC games with speed settings and a "god" perspective general.

>>174241190
>I'M FROM BUENOS AIRES
IT'S A BUG PLANET

>>174248821
Autocrat/Oligarch is better than Imperial as it lets you pick your next leader.

>>174248821
yeah they're poorly implemented as well. The "goals" the different candidates have are so ham-fistedly done.

>>174248943
ITS AN UGLY PLANET

>unbidden portal at 30%
>nearly down
>all allied forces retreat once the main force comes back
>its still up and regenerating

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>174249004
Better luck next time :")

>>174245081
Bombers are crap because they're only good for damage against capital ships due to 0 tracking, and L slot guns are better for that from both a raw numbers point of view and that they can't be shot down.

Fighters work because they can reliably oneshot any missile that isn't a t4-5 L slot missile or t3 torpedo and launch from miles away effectively making them an 80 range PD gun that fires in bursts of 8 strike craft hangers launch 8 craft each if you didn't know and while their damage is low their tracking is pretty good so they can put some reliable hurt on corvettes when there's no missiles to shoot down before your actual corvette poppers can get in range too.

>>174248821
Imperial is annoying. It's just dictator without a choice. There's no attempt to represent dynastic government.

we need more crises,
and some way to make it not always the unbidden

>>174249564

It used to be reliably the extra-galactic guys but changes to the tech tree means that every fucker gets jump drives fairly early on in comparison, leading to unbidden being drawn almost every time.

I don't even think twice about researching sentient AI because I know I won't get sentient AI uprising.

>>174249208
Also I just ran some real quick maths on exactly what the damage output from fighters is like, and it's only slightly less than that of autocannons, except they have like 4 times the range and shoot missiles down too.

>early-game
>discover worlds that are prime candidates for terraforming
>have no technology to do it
>decades pass
>get well into mid-game
>can terraform all sorts of worlds
>forgot all about the terraforming candidates
>can't find them now that I've remembered
Fuck.
It's not like I was going to settle them, anyway. Just making the galaxy pretty.

>Build ringword.
>Conquer FE.
>Science officer loses its shit at the ringworld, which is beyond our comprehension.
>Amazed at the living metal.
>Nevermind we conquered a world that had some a while ago.

>>174249825
Even if you did sentient AI uprising is a joke so getting it effectively makes the game easier.

Concerning Mind over Matter and Transcendence, will only your main species gain the psychic traits?

>>174240997
what happens if you disable a mod (let's say, ships), while having a save game with said ships in?

>>174249564
>the star or whatever center of the galaxy is exploding, killing all life as we know it
>the whole galaxy is forced to unite to stop it for fucking once

>>174249825
Man, I don't think I ever had a game where the AI rebellion happened.

>>174249947
Yes. I have worm-loving sub-species and they've been stuck with latent psionics for over a century, so even other species with latent psionics don't get psionics.

>>174248627
>/cbg/ in OP
it's probably safe to assume that people who are into 4x and gsg have probably played city builders before

>>174249947
>Concerning Mind over Matter and Transcendence, will only your main species gain the psychic traits?

Other species can get it, but it's rare.

I can't research the tech for the omega alignment during the horizon signal chain, anyone has this issue?

>>174250362
Yes
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=903292662

>>174248858
You don't get spammed with election notifications every few years.

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hmmmmmm

>>174250448
But the influence.

>>174250362
It's broken, edit the tech file to give it some weight, otherwise it's unavailable.

>>174248858
You get agenda bonuses.

Is Exhalted Priesthood good? 20% governing ethics attraction. I'm guessing it helps keep your empire together more by making pops diverge less?

>>174249997
Crash at loading the save.

>>174249004
>send my attack force to the portal
>have three fleets with two other fleets in position to flank when one fleet baits the Unbidden near the rim of the gravity well
>Jump in with the bait fleet which is about 50% of my ships
>Unbidden take the bait and engage
>I've given my other two fleets the order to move in like a month ago
>My bait fleet is taking shit loads of damage,
>Still no reinforcements in sights
>I'm wondering what the fuck are my fleets doing
>Check the fleet
>They are in the middle of the gravity well of the system instead of outside of it in position to jump
>They are moving towards enemy transport ships near the sun and engaged in "combat" against them
>Can't order a huge ass fleet of hundreds of ships to ignore a fleet of unarmed vessels and race to save the my main fleet
>have to wait for them to close the distance to the transports, destroy them, then move back in to position to engage jump, wait half a fucking month for them to charge the jump drives and jump

Lost half of my entire military because of a tiny transport fleet.

>>174250401
>>174250520
thanks senpaitachi

>>174250530
Divergence isn't really an issue with Spiritual empires as you get temples and the pre-existing spiritual bonus.

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The galaxy I'm playing in has this at the centre.
Does anyone know what it is? It looks like a pulsating ball of light that keeps sending out shockwaves.

>>174250571
I'd like to hear the reasoning behind that decision to chase the transports and refusal to disengage them despite a direct order from the Emperor himself, all at the cost of half of the entire imperial navy.

>I uhh.. saw the transports and they were enemy's so we knew they exist and they're there and they're enemy so duhh...

>lategame hyperlame
>takes a million years to get anywhere in a medium galaxy
Mistakes were made.

>>174250735

Turns it appears in all games. I've never noticed it before.

GOD TIER:
Expansion, Discovery

GOOD TIER:
Supremacy

MEH TIER:
Domination

I'M JUST TAKING THESE FOR THE OPENER TIER:
Prosperity, Harmony

>>174250843
Get some jump drives.

World-Shaping bugs are now augmented, need Synthetics to complete the chain and Mega-Engineering to begin building Galactic Wonders.

When you go Synth, do all of your pops automatically convert to Synthetics, or do you need to build them?

Do you guys think I should keep my farms for this Synthetic Collective, as a sort of hardy farmer-based bots?

>>174243132
>>174243260
Thanks dudes, just what i needed to know, i'm theorycrafting a rapid-growth species with terrible traits but excellent food and growth production, then when i've swarmed enough planets bam, excellent pops on tons of planets.

By the way, anyone can also answer question 4 and 5 about the megastructures?

that spider manga was fun

>>174250879
I'm using the mod that disables all other FTL.

>>174250880
>When you go Synth, do all of your pops automatically convert to Synthetics, or do you need to build them?
All current pops turn Synth, as a one-shot deal.

>>174250880
>Do you guys think I should keep my farms for this Synthetic Collective
why

>>174250862

Discovery is outright broken with that 1/3rd research perk, once you get three survey ships exploring a Huge galaxy you're effectively doubling your research speed.

Can you still research and use jump drives if you are playing on a hyperlane only galaxy?

>>174250952

dumb

best way to play is with hyperlanes by default, but endgame switched over to jump drives as civs get them

it means whoever gets jump drives starts getting massive advantages, Fallen Empires/crisis factions too.

>>174250735
Supermassive black hole. I think there's some room for them to jam cool shit into the center of the galaxy with high risk/reward, as the center of most galaxies is likely full of radiation and high temperatures. At the very least, it would be cool if they put routes through the center that damage ships.

>>174251005
Yup

>>174250096
And how the fuck are you going to stop some sort of supermassiveblackhole from imploding?
It's not the sort of thing you can build a wall around. More likely you'd have to do a mass exodus out of the galaxy.

>>174251005
>Can you still research and use jump drives if you are playing on a hyperlane only galaxy?
yes

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How long does it take for the shroud to fuck my shit up?

>>174250982

The fluff I have for this race is they're peaceful, ecologically focused worker bugs that have a natural compulsion to grow things. I plan to turn every planet I come across into a Gaia World, even if I won't colonize it, just to reflect their need to leave the world a little bit better than they left it.

Also Agrarian Idyll.

>>174250862
Shit, I forgot about Diplomacy. That's how useless it is.

>>174251121
Long enough to lube up.

>>174250508
So many techs and shit that generate influence.

>can use meritocracy and aristocratic elite at the same time
social mobility combined with an entrenched elite?

>>174250096
Sort of related to that, I would LOVE content that lets us expand into the galactic core in late game, inhabitable planets would be basically non-existent there but the monsterous stellar furnace that is the core would be full of resources a late game empire could exploit.
Nerf border expansion and ship travel speed through the core and require any real border presence there to come from a different type of frontier outpost, specially designed to withstand and communicate through the intense radiation in there, with reduced a border range. Throw some new strategic resources only found there too and there's a real incentive for some late game fun there. Maybe toss some super variants of space creatures in there that have adapted to the exceptionally harsh conditions and are suitably deadly to make expansion into it harder.

>>174251170

You need it to form federations.

Expansion Opener
(Reach For The Stars, if good colonies are sufficiently far away)
Prosperity Opener
Discovery Opener
To Boldly Go -> Planetary Survey Corps
Standard Template Constructs
Finish Expansion
Finish Discovery
Finish Prosperity

Best, yes or no?

>>174251294
>Falling for the Federations meme

>>174251294
>form a federation
>lose a chunk of naval capacity to a bunch of idiots that don't even use it right
>nobody ever wants to declare war even when you have a 300k doomstack
i'd rather just vassalize to be quite honest with you family

>>174251294
> federation
You can't even control who is president and federation fleets break the doomball into small bits. Federation a shit.

>>174250851
Not got one in mine. Feel a bit left out.

>>174251256

>Late-late-game tech enabling you to shield Ringworlds and allow them to be built around neutron stars or black holes, or simply be able to survive the core
>Build a Ringworld around the supermassive Black Hole at the center of the galaxy, with full events associated with it

Or
>Tech that allows Dyson Spheres to harness the energy of Neutron Stars or Black Holes

Wait, this is stream of consciousness so bear with me
>Megastructure that, in effect, focuses the energy of a pulsar and enables you to target (with significant wind-up and a warning to civs who could notice it) solar systems for a blast of deadly radiation.

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oh cool its starshit poopers.

How do I stay ahead in tech?
I built a bunch of science labs and as many research stations as possible and I'm still always at most equivalent with everyone.

>>174251294
>you need it to be able to cripple yourself
Oh damn!

>>174251162
Robotic gardeners seems cool. The typical trope for a machine race is they hate anything organic, but I could see machine consciousness becoming as fascinated with organic growth as humans get with machinery. Guys spend years of their lives tinkering with their cars, having a race of robots who love pottering in the garden makes sense. Sort of like Wall·E

I've got a mod for humans as the slave race for synergetic evolution, and I'm fluffing it as humans breeding a race of super soldiers (strong, rapid breeder) who eventually overthrew them to stop the endless wars, but still keep them around (in comfy social welfare) because they've still got the instinctive urge to protect humans they had bred into them.

Still militarists because that's all they know, but also egalitarians and xenophiles because they're trying to grow beyong what they were created for.

>Fanatic Xenophobe, +30% border range
>Nationalistic Zeal, +10%
>Galactic Ambitions, +20%
>Interstellar Dominion, +25%
>Supremacy Opener, +20%
Total: +105% border range

Is there anything else I'm missing, or is this the most you can stack space clay without repeatables?

>>174251618
>>Megastructure that, in effect, focuses the energy of a pulsar and enables you to target (with significant wind-up and a warning to civs who could notice it) solar systems for a blast of deadly radiation.
don't blame me i voted for kodos

>>174251618
>target (with significant wind-up and a warning to civs who could notice it) solar systems for a blast of deadly radiation.
-10% happiness, -20% habitability, 10% chance to kill each pop.

>>174251073
Detonate a few nukes in the center of it, balance out the implosion with explosions.

>>174251706
Capital world +50%. You can move the capital so place with high pop in a good spot.

>>174251618
>weaponised pulsars
Holy shit my fanatical purifiers would love that. Similarly I would gain a newfound terror of fanatical purifiers in my other games.

>>174251761
Have you ever considered becoming a nuclear engineer? I think you have a knack for it.

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>>174251646

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>purge ONE tiny planet
>everyone will hate me for half a millenium
Fuck it. Time to go full hegemonizing swarm.

>>174251660
Survey corps, stockpile a few millions of research.

>>174251706
Think you've got it covered there.

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>>174251858

>>174251618

>Megastructure that, in effect, focuses the energy of a pulsar and enables you to target (with significant wind-up and a warning to civs who could notice it) solar systems for a blast of deadly radiation.

I mean pulsars and black holes pretty much do the same thing anyway if you're unlucky enough to be caught downwind

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>>174250843
>Medium galaxy

That's not so bad..

>large galaxy
>10 ais
is there something wrong with me in that I hate meeting anyone for the first 100 years or so? I just want to build up in peace. I hate having to contend with ais.

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>Biggest rival declares war on ally, dragging me into a war
>5 days later one of the FE's awaken
>3 days later Unbidden invade
>5 days after the other FE awakens, war in heaven declared
>mfw this all happened within the span of a month

>>174252217
It's your chance to btfo the galaxy.

What "Habitable Worlds" multiplier is best?

>>174251672

That's more or less the idea I was going for! Life and nature is both chaotic and orderly, and to a being who views reality through the lens of math and logic, something that offers a bit of both with almost snowflake-grade variation would really blow a thick, binary load in their memory banks.

That's where Dyson Spheres and Habitats come in, I suppose; Synths don't need planets, so what do you do with them but optimize? Increase rainfall here, raise sea-levels there, maybe sprinkle in something special in the atmosphere, and now you've built the ideal world.

Every planet's a new problem to solve, an endless project that leaves the galaxy a better place.

God dammit I want to play these guys as Nomads now, wandering the galaxy like Johnny Appleseed leaving seeds in their mechanical footsteps.

>>174252093
Yeah, which is why a targeting device for such enormous fuck you would be a megastructure. years of calculations and alignments, set up some space magic to launch the blast through FTL somehow and BOOM dead system.

>>174250981
So, don't have any colony ships in flight?

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>>174240997
>tfw you want to play simant but the spider scares you shitless

>>174252217
>>Has allies.

>>174252176

I gotta agree.

Though, there's a mod that generates empires already up and active at the start of a game but with penalties for the first 100 years or so.

>>174252093

But now you can direct the radioactive wind! Downwind is wherever you want it to be!

>>174240997
>own the SNES version
fun times, endless hours of trying to beat it, finally did one time

>>174252461
>So, don't have any colony ships in flight?
That would be a good idea.

>>174252450

>Psionics get a variation which unleashes a Shroud Storm in a system, allowing all the horrors of that realm through a localized portal

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>it's a transport fleet gets intercepted by a single corvette that then proceeds to ineffectually plink away at their shield for two years as they run in circles episode

Are these the ringworld pre-requisites?
>No colonies in the system
>Not a black-hole
>All the research + perks
Instead, are these the habitats requisites?
>Habitated planet
>Research and perks

Also, i can have obviously only 1 ring world per system, but how many habitats can i have per system? As many as the planets in it? Also, can Ring worlds have Habitats on top of them?

>>174252835
>not emergency FTLing them out of there

>>174252754

>Bio-engineers get the opportunity to unleash a galactic plauge onto their enemies worlds.

>Cyborgs and Synth empires are able to purposefully unleash 'grey-goo' cataclysmic nanobot superweapons and even directly engage an AI rebellion (with MASSIVE diplo negatives to everyone in the galaxy for the second one)

Fucking paracucks are unimaginative cunts.

>>174252942
Yes.
You don't need inhabited planets, you can build habitats over any planet (not moon or star).
Didn't try.

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Is this the thread for less known rts like Outlive?

Why exactly do Hive minds have core sector caps? or at least give them a really high starting number.
The cap is supposed to simulate the constraints of a central govt. managing large numbers of planets/population but what does that matter when you have a hive mind?

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>>174253036
>esquadrao

>>174253036
This is Stellaris General, but you may post.

>>174253003
>emergency FTLing
>on hypercuck-only
>when they're half a galaxy away from the nearest home port
I just want to be able to merge transports into battlefleets desu.

>>174252754
Man I hope the alluded to military DLC comes with shit like this. Cross galaxy superweapons would be amazing.

>>174252942
Habitats are only limited by how many planets are in a system yeah. My last game I had a system with 8 habitats and a colony in it. That system alone was producing something like 1000 credits. entirely to trade for minerals to fund my never ending war machine

>>174253036
this is a thread for rts in general because of how dead it is.
>>174253103
nice meme

>>174253005

Holy shit where the fuck are our Gray Goo scenarios anyway? Why can't we engineer super-plagues? Why don't Synths get unique buildings like Server Nodes for easy mineral extraction?

Where is the nanotechnology, or gene-scrubbing centers that improve happiness and the combat ability of Supersoldiers?

Then again, these ARE the people who thought the Blorg were the height of storytelling.

>>174253118

I want Superweapons and an Army designer.

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Post your things
Rate other things

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>>174243262
>Start as Spiritualists
>Get Mind Over Matter as an ascension perk
Not sure of the order required for the next part, the perk might just need Mind Over Matter, but it might need the right ethics too.
>Get the Transendence perk
>Promote Xenophobia and Militarism
>Reform Government into Blood Court when possible

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Alright bois, here's the big question:

When outfitting corvettes:
Stormfire autocannons OR Gauss Cannons?

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>when you hear that psionics/ascendancy is that damn good but you're a roleplay fag and your merchant spiders are more interested in trade and development

hmmmmmm

>>174253031
>>174253118
Thanks again lads, time to minmax the entire galaxy

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>colonize a system near a FE
>build two cheapass defense platforms on opposite sides of the system
>make sure they're both right next to jump-in points from neighboring systems and far from the planet
>declare on the FE
>their doomstack will jump in and annihilate one of the platforms
>as they bomb the planet, the transports will jump in and get snagged by the other platform
>jump in your waiting fleet and destroy at least one of the transports
>sue for peace, they'll kill your leader and cleanse the planet but they all knew the risks
>enjoy your Jump Drives, Hypershields, Neutronium Armor, and Zero-Point power from the transport debris

I have 200 hours in Stellaris and I have only seen 2 end game crisis so far. By year 2300 I usually own half the fucking galaxy and I'm so bored out of my mind I just restart.

>>174253485

What if they become enamored with trading the most valuable thing of all. Souls.

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>>174253089
It's a brazilian game, but there should be an english version somewhere online too.
>>174253103
well, i'm sorry if i end up steallaring your general ;^)
>>174253194
Outlive is pretty much dead too, so it makes sense, kindda sad, for a SC clone it was pretty damn fun.

>>174253475
Plasma

>>174253475
I put stormfire because they rush in anyway so the extra range doesn't matter.
>Cruisers have "mixed, balanced offense and defence".
>Corvettes have "swarm in and go first".
>Cruisers are always first.
Why pdox.

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>>174253262

If there's one thing I quite liked about Beyond Earth, despite it being totally fucking imbalanced, was the building system for the affinities. I know other games have done this, but BE is a rather recent game so I think quite relevant.

The armies, structures and cities of the affinities didn't just LOOK different, they actually worked completely differently and operated using different resources.

Cyborg/robotic armies moved in large formations with adjacency bonuses and extremely tough infantry and vehicles.
Alien/biotech armies fought with mobility and flanking with self-healing and easy retreating.
Purity armies fought like classic Civ V armies with heavy artillery and tanks, lots of cannon fodder.

You can go on but the differences between them ran further than a few bonuses and visual differences, their entire structure changed over the course of the game, despite the game's flaws that was a nice little touch as your civ developed.

In stellaris, you just don't get the same advancement with the ascensions, it's far, far inferior to the ideologies of Civ V or the ascensions of Beyond Earth.

/autism

>>174253426
so few empires

>>174253785
I just purged all my pre-1.5 rooster.

>>174253475
Gauss are better but if you want BRRRRRRRRRRRT then autocannons. Gauss doesn't fire that fast even with stacking fanatic purifier and aggressive admirals.

I wish they made the weapons sound more dangerous, the shitty little 'pe-tewww' and 'zipzipzip' shit is terrible for what are supposed to be apocalyptically powerful weapons.

Any mods for making time pass faster than fastest speed in the game?

>>174253508
Interesting strategy for sure, but isn't it going to take you decades to research endgame tech near the start of the game?

>>174254080
Probably about a decade as you shouldn't have much research penalty at that point

>>174253991
But how would you hear them in space? You'd only hear it if you were inside the either firing ship or the target.

>>174253475
Gauss Cannon (Small)
Power 12.5
Minerals 12.5
Damage
Min 8
Max 25
CD 3.50
Avg. 3.58
AvgD30 149
Range 45
Accuracy 76%
Tracking 60%
Notes
+33% Shield Damage

Stormfire Autocannon (Small)
Power 10
Minerals 10
Damage
Min 5
Max 17
CD 2.35
Avg. 3.53
AvgD30 143
Range 20
Accuracy 82%
Tracking 35%
Notes
None

Small Stormfires are better because they cost less in power and in minerals boosting your corvette spam potential. Their DPS is very comparable, and the range difference should be negligible. The +33% Shield damage offered by Gauss could be a tipping point if going up against unbidden.

>>174254080
What makes end game techs hard to research in the end isn't their base cost, it's the modifiers from planets and pops.
The base cost for hypershields is only 4000.

>>174253538
Don't play on normal

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>>174253426
I love that logo you used. I use it for my spiritualist empires all the time.

>>174253426
is syncrethic evolution good?
I like the idea, but im newbie afraid of the challange

>>174254552

no it's fucking boring and cyborgs are cooler and better in a couple of ways anyway.

Best gov type for psionic?

>>174254828
Divine Empire, so you can make your God-Emperor the Chosen One.

>>174254776
thats what I did
fucking robots too cute

>>174254552
They're not nearly as bad as people here make it to be, but it's not something you're gonna pick if you're min-maxing.

>>174254776
>>174254924
>>174255009


I actually thought you said synthetic evolution because i'm fucking retarded.

For the mechanist/syncrethic evolution, both aren't quite ideal because you can't repick civics.

Arguably, mechanist is worse because you can do more with gene modding and the techs you skip with mechanist and resources you save are next to nil.

HOWEVER

Stellaris is not a very good game, certainly not a competitive game, so RP is worth far, far more than simple effectiveness.

Mechanist is cooler to me so I usually pick that if I'm going materialist.

>>174254552
It's pretty good if (and only if) you're building a slaver empire to go down the Biological path. Get Slaver Guilds for the additional resources, and you'll be swimming in minerals especially since your slaves use fewer consumer goods than free pops do.

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>>174251358
>Not rushing mastery of nature by finishing expansion asap
shit taste

>>174250862
>Harmony
Paradise domes are good for non-pacifist empires who cant use agrarian idyll civic.

Interestingly enough, there is no reason for pacifists to take harmony though apart from the 10% happiness opener

>>174255293

WHY DON'T THE STARTING ASCENSIONS OFFER UNIQUE EVENTS?

WHY CAN'T I TAKE AN ASTEROID BELT WITH WORLD SHAPER AND CRAFT A WORLD?

>>174255009
its a niche that ability to produce robots from the start probably fill better

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How does these fids output numbers work?
>only just colonized a new planet
>not even any specialization yet
>planet will be best at making dust
>system output say it will make most industry
What?

>always send out starting corvettes as scouts
>always lose 2-3 due to bad jumps into enemies
>think its worth it because then I don't lose scientists
>realize that the emergency FTL for sci-ships is 5 days, rather than 30
FUCK

>>174250862
What about Faith and Cybernetics and the others?

i got vassalized by a awakened empire and another hostile one is on my border

should i pick the +damage to awakened empires ascension perk? or maybe the 200 fleet capacity one, since unbidden are slowly encroaching towards me too

>>174255872
numbers are pretty straight forward in ES, but the planet stats are fairly arbitrary. Desert planets give decent dust and industry

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>there are people who think hyperlanes only isn't the FUNNEST meme when combined with maximum space clay
Now, here's the question; Vassal or Tributary?

>>174255872
how about hovering over the total fids and seeing if you can find it out

>>174250862
Prosperity is meh tier though, it isnt useless as fuck like harmony/diplomacy

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>when almost the entire galaxy is at war

The only ones missing are 3/4 fallen empires and one of my rivals.

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>Earth was destroyed by benevolent, peaceful ayys
Something doesn't add up

>>174256426

Those are added by a [fairly high quality] mod, but a mod nontheless.

And as anyone who's played xcom knows, mods are cheats.

>>174257198
At least they actually look like a Fallen Empire usually I get FE that is a platypus man or a mouse man.

>>174257217
I forgot I modded that.

>>174257198
What systems mod did you use?

>Fallen Earth is still habitable
>Awakened empire doesn't use a Fallen Empire city set

>>174257198
>Cheated new game to see ringworlds, test a few builds and look at this modded 1400 stars map.
>Notice Sol inside an FE's territory, with early space age humans on it.
>Take it all.
>Worm in waiting triggers as an automated science ships enters a black hole system.
>Sol III humans end up worshiping the Coils and all disappear in a grand celebration.
And now it'll never ever happen again in a legit game.

Is mastery of nature worth it even if you don't have bonus mod on hab?

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What does "x3 hull weakness" mean?
The hull will be 3 times weaker?

>>174257198
>Awakened Empire has three ethics

WHAT

>>174253753
Beyond Earth could have been a great game if they didn't give up on it so quickly.

some fucking beetles appeared and said that if I put some of my population in their zoo they'll be happy so I did

then the MOTHERFUCKING beetles reappeared a few years later and gave me 3000 minerals and 2k energy

can I give more populations to these beetles this game is fucking amazing

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>>174252069

>>174257427
Earth is a tomb world, so I guess it' abitable. I use Diverse Room and Fallen Empire Extended

>>174255293
>mastery of nature
does it give you all the remove tilebroker techs immediately? if not its garbage.

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>>174257743

>3000 minerals
>2k energy
>surrendering your own population

fucking cuck, you'd fit in well at paradox

>>174257995

but it does

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I fell for the defensive pact meme.
>>174257198
That system is a ton of fun to play a tall empire in.

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>>174257143
There aren't even any awakened empires yet. No Crisis has triggered.

This is going to be a very violent end game, isn't it?

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>play ironman for a challenge
>encounter game-breaking bug
>save ruined beyond all repair
Ironman was a mistake.

>>174258092
>cuck

wew @ u shitheel they're in a zoo so if I get beat its not game over for my crocodile men

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TIME TO LET LADY LUCK HAVE HER WAY WITH ME LADS

So how long until mastery of nature is nerfed?

>>174258232
You can actually find the zoo world and they're kept in really good condition.

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Would it a viable for the lulz strategy to rush psionic ascension in a multi player game solely to suicide it to the end of the cycle and create the 1mil chaos god?

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>>174258250
>Not dismantling the equipment for the free tech

>>174258376
No because the chaos god is broken.

>>174258376
Sure.
But then everyone would team up together to kill your ass long before you even get it.

>>174253753
Yeah, agree with all of that, and to add; the visual design was pretty based too, I wish Stellaris had half the uniqueness when it came to visuals from different techs and civics etc.

>>174258250
<turns into a toxic world>

>>174258376
I think that end of the cycle is coded to not happen in multiplayer.

Have a mod: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=901637901

>>174253952
>I just purged all my pre-1.5 rooster.
Ah.

I just added the civics to my old ones and made a few new ones.

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>>174258283
I fucking love little details like that. I haven't explord the beetle systems yet though because some retarded looking 6 eyed rat men are sending insults at me. Going to survey everything around them and then box them in.

I only just started the game and I had to do some infinity engine. Took one of my science ships ages but I got there.

Now here's the question. As a reward the infinity engine gave me sentient AI and when I click on tiles it's letting me build MOTHERFUCKING sentient internets everywhere but it says I need to set AI rights and I can't find out where to do that. Do you know where that is?

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>>174258250
>>174258424
>>174258528
>genemod my boyz to have tropical preference
>planet gets terraformed back to continental
wew lads

>>174258637
Policies and edicts tab. It has a hammer and gavel icon.

>>174258250
>TIME TO LET LADY LUCK HAVE HER WAY WITH ME LADS
Ah, I remember the first time I did that, I killed everyone on the colony and had it turn into a toxic wasteland.

Fun times.

>>174258637

Only materialists can give robots rights.

Which is stupid because I'd at least expect Egalatarians to be able to do that as well but mods will fix it.

>>174258232

>living as pets for alien overlords

look at this turdburgler mate bet ur a fuckin NEET you fucking spanner get off this thread before i deck you lad

>>174258829
I can't find it there do I need to resarch something else about rights of AI?

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>>174258918
t. wagie cucklord

>>174258918
>Only materialists can give robots rights.
Fuking hell so what was the point of doing the mission then? I was going to just build sentient internet things eveerywhere

> i deck you lad
m8 ur cruzn 4 a bruzn

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>when you deliberately trigger the unbidden in hope that they will take out the rampant AE and they spawn right in the tip of your personal spiral arm (on a hyperlane-only-modded playthrough) with nowhere to go but through your core worlds
It just wasn't meant to be.
Playing on lowered habitability is a mistake anyways, FEs are unstoppable unless you can get a 100k+ fleet by mid-late 2300s which is just undoable on 25%.

>>174259152
I play on high habitable worlds and just headcanon that between every system there are a hundred million empty systems. This almost satisfies my autism about the true size of the galaxy.

>>174259120
>+10% research bonus to everything

>>174251294
Only time I bothered with federations were when I was being a turbojew and formed a federation with a buddy in multiplayer so he could control the federation fleet to accomplish our wargoals without bothering me to conquer places.

Also, that's something that other anons brought up that needs to be addressed, I hate that Stellaris is too focused on the doomball instead of independent fleets with specific goals.

>>174259356
Yeah nad Gargantua also has a 4 modifier to each science. It's a fucking good game though. I hadn't even heard of it until I was on /v/ the other night.

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>>174256696
bump for attention

I wonder if it would be possible to play Stellaris with only one system and not be utterly cucked by everyone.

Does anyone ever move their capital? I feel dirty demoting my homeworld to simply another planet by taking out the capital from it, but it makes sense to plop it down on a 25 slot gaia world.

>>174259562
>=ENG= CONDIKING

Gay name desu.

>>174259595
You'll need both. I think you have already lost this game.

>>174258252
>So how long until mastery of nature is nerfed?
Don't you dare.

>>174252160
>Another anon makes a Mitra based empire

Nice

>>174259595
>blowjobs only, no sex whatsoever
that vid was my biggest porn disappointment last year 2bh

>>174259780
Yes, you can also move it tactically because 2x border extrusion.

>>174259730
Try it out. Total waste of time though.

>>174259730
that'll be a short playthrough lad

>>174259780
The only time I have ever moved it was to get the "Put a Ring On It" achievement.

With the Banks/Utopia, my capital planet is usually filled with Empire Unique buildings for Unity boosting, and the system is filled with habitats. No reason to move.

>>174259973
>>174259780
Only do it late when i get ringworlds, I terraform Earth into a gaia world then guard it. I'm the Awakened Empire now!

>>174259730
Not unless you start with a ringworld.

>>174259730
Get a mod that adds some sort of unique starting system like >>174258208

I need to prepare for endgame crisis and i won't have defender of the galaxy.

How do i figure out how to equip my ships?

>>174260510
Just boat plasma.

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>>174253508
>use tech to go giganigga on all nearby empires and get fuckloads of everything from vassaling

>>174260574
Anon pls

I'm clueless, i have 50k with half capacity fleet and every technology in the game, but all on auto-best

>>174260510
We talk about this in these threads all the time.

Sibly this:

Dont use bombers or missiles, kinetics and plasma are good, always have some anti-missile (flak cannons or fighters) and dont fall into the meme of building nothing but big ships with big guns, you need some small guns (for the tracking) to take down small ships.

Thats the basics.

>>174260832
I'm entirely serious.
Plasma works on everything.

>>174240997
>SimAntics Edition

One job, OP.

>>174260832
>end game crisis
>50k fleet
>autobest
Prepare your anus

Does neutering or displacement give the genocide mallus? wich is best for quitley getting rid of ugly species from my empire without a diplomatic shitshow?

>>174261050
They all give malus but displacement gives less

>>174260832
hope you didnt research garbage missle tech because computer will equip your shit with all the highest grade tech you have

What do you want in an improved Utopia mod, /civ4xg/?

Right now I have
>AI World Terraforming
>ability to convert bio pops into synths post-ascension with edicts
>cyborg admiral fire rate and synth admiral fire rate switched
>genetic modding ascension techs allowed for psi/synth ascension

I'm looking for more ideas to not make utopia shit and add in the basic functionality it should have had from the start.

>>174253753
I think technology in Stellaris should be looked at and started over from scratch in a way. I understand their first iteration was to make it so each empire didn't research the same, but over time everyone balances out and eventually winds up with functionally identical weapons, armor, and jump drives.

One of the ways to fix this would be to remove the current research setup of selecting one of 3-5 techs and instead focus on small, incremental upgrades to one's preferred technology groups and how to overcome the shortcomings they have. It's silly that I can decide I want to switch to lasers from missiles and within 10 years be at the same level of technology as another faction that started with lasers. Technological development just doesn't work that way, in the sense that you don't simply decide to use missiles and have all the particulars of how they function immediately worked out.

Hearts of Iron 4 actually had a neat idea on combat research: You could research items that were a huge shift in design (Such as pre-war tanks, light, medium, heavy, modern tanks), but then for each of those designs, you could also refine them little by little for the expense of practical (Combat) experience. This meant that peaceful research giants might have some incredibly advanced equipment, sporting modern armor and early jet fighters before other nations, but the other nations that have been at war since the dawn of the era have taken their aging designs, learned from how they function, learned their shortcomings and strengths through combat, and improved them over time, letting their practical experience in some ways overcome the restrictions of not knowing more fundamentally advanced designs.

>>174261078
How bad is displacement for 11 pops?

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>>174260883
OP is a filthy ant-licker. He doesn't deserve to be an OP.

>>174261213
Reduced Megastructure costs and build time
Events for gene and robo ascension

>git gud at stellaris
>unbidden invade
>jump my entire combined fleet right on top of them
>give them a close encounter they'll never forget
>shove them out of the galaxy before they can harvest anything
Wew, that was satisfying. Especially after those other games where they consume the galaxy.

Almost sad that it was over so soon, though.

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>>174261213
The ability to go full Qu and do whatever the fuck I want to the poor bastards I conquer

>>174257995
All except for a few special ones like titanic life removal. Taking it as your first perk is actually pretty tempting because it means you save on the time spent researching individual removers, save on having them clutter your research options, and save on spending energy and materials clearing them.

>>174261287
No clue.

>>174259790

I only have the clantag on occasionally but i wish steam had it built in so I could hide my normie fagness when not needed.

But yes it is a gay name.

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>>174261418
To those who say this is too dark, I say you're missing the point entirely

>>174261418
I honestly want to do more with genetic modding once I add stuff that hivemind/synths are desperately lacking. But I'm honestly not sure how feasible it would be because of how much of it is fucking hardcoded.

The fact that all of the UI is basically hardcoded really adds a lot of annoying walls to what people call a "moddable game"

For instance, if a genetic mod is unavailable, there doesn't seem to be an (easy) way to make it not appear at all instead of just doing that grey shit where it takes up space. Also, if you have too many addable traits in the gene mod window, it overflows and there doesn't seem to be a way to change the frame into a scrollable box

>>174261638
So you're saying it's ice cream and sunshine?

BUUUUUUUULSHHIEEET

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Should I use Arc Emitters against the awakened empire?

The damage numbers are shit but they have 100% penetration and 100% accuracy.
Is it a good deal against Empire's crazy armor and shield?

Also should I stuff my corvettes with gauss cannons or with energy torpedos?

If flac artillery worth anything against their strike craft?

>>174261437
these fugly evolutionary mistakes doesn't deserve to foul any empire with their presence, mine or others. Neutering it shall be, to correct gods mistake.

>>174261759
Read the whole book all the way through and pay close attention to the very end. All Tomorrows is actually a pretty hopeful and inspiring piece of literature IMO. I don't want to post it here and spoil it for the good anons of /civ4xg/

>>174261078
>>174261050
I haven't noticed a diplomatic mallus from neutering or displacement. The populations being removed are unhappy though.

>>174261418
>>174261638

What's the source for this?

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>>174261884
>>174261437

forgot pic

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>>174261931
>humens suffered for 40 millions of years, were turned in bricks, worms, hoboes, tax collector and worse
>"lol it's an optimistic book"

>pick all border perks
>Start by owning 20% of the galaxy already
dis gon b gud

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>>174261931
We can all be friends

>>174261213
>Megastructures can be built in habitable systems
>Ringworld segments have a "Engineered Enviroment" bonus, giving the following
>+50% minerals
>+50% energy
>+50% food
>Ringworlds also get the "Void Berth" bonus, giving the following
>+50% ship build speed
>-50% ship build cost
>+50% ship repair speed
>+50% ship upgrade speed
>Dyson Spheres give +1000 energy, straight up, at max construction
>Science Nexus gives +10/20/30% research speed
>Reduce Habitat size to 10 tiles, and reduce cost to 4000 minerals
>Habitats only contribute half the research and unity penalty that planets normally do
>Colonized worlds can be terraformed
>Colonized worlds can be easily evacuated
>Option to set planets to automatically build robots/droids/synths

Is there a mod that allows me to switch the FP Armageddon mode for a proper Exterminatus?

>>174261638
>>174261418
This shit is freaking me out. What the fuck?

>>174261274
Adding specialisations for each type of weapon that lock you of of other might work, the different variations of weapons in Distant Worlds could be used as a base

>>174261981
All Tomorrows by Nero Ramjet, I'd link it but 4chan thinks it's spam.

>>174262076
Again, you're missing the point; that even in an uncaring universe, and from the most horrible of situations, people carry on towards a better future and eventually they might even get there. Read the final chapter again.

>>174262218
>being freaked out by relatively tame shit
Fresh from Reddit, are you?

Any decent stellaris mods that let me roleplay as space nazis?