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NEWS
>English P5 DLC schedule: http://personacentral.com/persona-5-dlc-scheduled-announced-english-release/
>Next major event announced for August 2nd in Sumaru City: http://personacentral.com/large-scale-persona-live-event-announced-august-2-2017/
>New Persona games to be announced 2017: http://personacentral.com/atlus-to-announce-several-games-in-2017-includes-the-persona-series/
>New Atlus studio "Studio 0" to create new RPG named Project Re Fantasy: http://personacentral.com/atlus-project-re-fantasy-concept-video-site-update/
>Persona 20th Anniversary radio CD announced: http://personacentral.com/persona-20th-anniversary-radio-cd-detailed/

INFO
>P5 Info
pastebin.com/MJuR9h0S
GUIDES
>General Guide
pastebin.com/eCHRjKCZ
>PQ Guide
pastebin.com/Bq16HvJh
>P4U2 Guide/Resources
pastebin.com/M3MPepKb

DOWNLOADS
>Art, Guides, Music, etc.
pastebin.com/Vh0CdRit
>P4 Dengeki Comic Anthology
mediafire.com/?4kjjaf0jtw2jyj3
>Persona Image Collection
mediafire.com/?9j3us2v34coua
>Persona 5 Resources
http://pastebin.com/CZEvEgiE
MANGA
>Scans
personascans.tumblr.com
mediafire.com/personascans#unst48ukbu457
pastebin.com/L3WXvsf3
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My favourite palace was Madarame's, what was yours?
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>Persona will never have a Goro as good as Majima
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>Anne is sweaty!
>Anne is buxom!
>Anne is beautiful!
>Anne is wet!
>Anne is cute!
>Anne is flexible!
>Anne is an angel!
>Anne is lewd!
>Anne is sad!
>Anne is silly!
>Anne is for kisses!
>Anne is stylish!
>Anne is for sexual!
>Anne is awesome!
>Anne is sultry!
>Anne is pure!
>Anne is amused!
>Anne is quality!
>Anne is Lovers!
>Anne is canon!
>Anne is an apricot!
>Anne is an actress!
>Anne is a model!
>Anne is Santa Claus!
>Anne is Anne, not Ann!
>Anne is best girl!
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first for groo
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Posting this so nobody else can later

>>174224014
Majima is the only good goro
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>>174224012
Pyramid
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>>174224012
Kaneshiro's, Futaba's in close second
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Why Haru is underrated?
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Post the CUTEST Futaba you've got.
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What dictates who you can hang out with in Hawaii? Hifumi was my only available waifu, but she is far from the highest ranked.
She's only 5 whereas Anne is 8
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Persona 5 was pretty dumb.

Knowing that Persona 3 will never get beaten feels pretty bad.
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>>174224014
Wait till Yakuza x Persona Sega spinoff.
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>>174224060
People are coming around to her now that people are actually playing the game. Makoto was the choice of people who made up their mind before they played the game.
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>>174224063
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Posting this so nobody else can later

>>174224083
Persona ended at 4
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>>174224083
That's usually what happens when series go past 5 games.
Series should not go past 5 at most.
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still obsessed with caroline's little smile
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>>174224043
>>174224153
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To the guy playing Persona 1 PS1. Like I said in the last thread. Do look up a quick guide about recruitable party members. the game is beatable with them all but it's easy to lock yourself with one of them as there's no booting them out in the main quest.

Also like was said the PS1 version changed a lot to try and make it more digestible to the US marker. Names and places where change as a minor example but the character Mark was changed entirely to be a black dude.

The entire Snow queen quest was cut out, which was an entirely separate story route. Likely because it was to brutal and costs
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>escaped and reengaged the reaper 11 times without proccing despair

Is he bugged or something? Should I try a different floor?
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>>174224223
I wish I had an Aigis

>>174224194
Caroline/Lavenza is surprisingly good
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Is this the "I totally wasn't masturbating just now" pose?
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>P5 doesn't have a Karaoke minigame that increases your charm

Fuck you Hashino
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Anybody got a high res image of the twin's all out finisher?
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>>174224304
No

>>174224310
>can't actually play shogi

Hifumi deserves to come back
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>>174224310
>theres even a karaoke bar in the red light district that you get denied access to because you tell the hype man you're underage

Whoa, cool moves joker!
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ban An*e
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>>174224427
fucking cat keeps you from anything lewd
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What's your favorite Persona groove, /pg/? In general
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>>174224123
I dunno, I had my sights set on Ann pre-release. But she ended up being a colossal disappointment, where I found lots of charm in Makoto who I didn't really care for originally. On a side note, Haru is sweet and i'm looking forward to actually working on her slink in NG+.
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>>174224524
I'M A SHAPESHIFTER
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>>174224310
I hope Crimson adds that, maybe in Shinjuku or Akihabara, which both really should be expanded with more stuff to do, Shibuya is really the only decently sized area in the game.

also imagine being able to work at the Maid cafe to increase your Guts or something, pixiv/jap twitter would have a fucking field day with Maid Joker
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Anybody else can't romance anyone in P5 because you're married IRL?
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>>174224120
I just finished p5 and need a new game, should i pick up yakuza 0?
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For someone who still might not grasp this admittedly, there are no such thing as demons in the context of Persona are there?
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>>174224612
>married IRL?
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>>174224639
As far as I know, no. In Persona, "demons" are Shadows, they just look like and are named the same like SMT demons
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hello /pg/

I heard on valentines day that if you date more than one girl they beat you up.

Why is MC in this game such a cuck?
Minato didn't get caught and Yuu can just brush off their tears.
He literally gets beat up by police in his theif form.
And gets beaten up by girls.

What the fuck I though he would be the best mc yet.

Also what happens after they beat you up?
Does the game progress to the next day?
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>>174224624
Yes, or wait till Kiwami which is only $30.
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>>174224639

Persona 2 had demons
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>>174224642
Something that really pissed me off about P5 was that Akechi thing, the twist was too obvious. And I feel like Atlus was trying really hard to keep that from being spoiled but I saw it coming from a mile away
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>never checked the achievements for P5
>of course there was another unique battle lines one
>lost out on one of the sources of unique lines already
Fuck, am I doomed this playthrough?
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>>174224703
Oh, I mean there are those shadows I understand.

But if not "demon" or shadow, I don't know what you classify named characters from the collective unconscious like Yaldy, Nyx, Nyarl, and so on other than "monster."
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>The game lets you collect capsule toys
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>>174224612
who is your fiance most like?
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>tfw you realize a good amount of persona memes nowadays were started by you and that you've influenced an entire online community just by shitposting on an anime image board
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>>174224782
The real twist is supposed to be the Igor thing, I think it's supposed to be blatently obvious that Akechi is the villain by the time pancakes happen and maybe even before then
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>No Goro edit of this yet
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>>174224786
Pretty much. It's an extremely autistic sensitive type of thing where you need to be getting hit with ailments constantly and swapping team members. You need goro for this or you'll be short 20-30 lines.
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Caroline is cute.
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>>174224882
how new are you
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>>174224809
We'll it's been almost a year since I could call her "fiance", but if I could compare her to someone, it would be Hifumi, very dignified, and competitive.

But still, Romancing in videogames is so weird now that I'm bound by vows of love.
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>>174224882
im at least 99% sure there was a goro edit of this but it may be lost to time
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I know most of you guys might not really be bothered beating demons that look like angels and such, however is there a way to skip these fights?

I played p3p and p4g and we'll you don't fight any but in p5 you have to fight an arch angel as a boss in a church.

Is it possible to skip it?
I'm not really that big of a religious person however fighting arch angels is a bit much.
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>>174224789
I thought they were called gods to be honest. Just that in Persona they're gods of the collective unconsious. Good question anon
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>>174224890
So even if I constantly switch up my team in this last dungeon and grind some ailments there's no way to get it?
Lame.
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black stockings
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>>174224945
Nigga nobody but retards hangs out in /pg/ 24/7.
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So what's gonna come first? P5 Arena? P5 DAN? P6? A remake? Something new?
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>>174224882
It's better if you just rename the filename.
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>SP adhesive works on inactive party members
>as long as you regularly alternate party members, you will never run out of SP
I'm going to have to play on merciless to make this fair.
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>>174225040
This had to be the most autistic scene in Persona 5 unironically.

Where did he get those lobsters out of nowhere and what was he even planning on doing with them if not eating them since he got mad at that suggestion.
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>>174224025
I want to see Ann pregnant and with a swollen belly!
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>>174225070
A remake is too soon and too jew even for Atlus.

P5 animation is first, duh.
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Holy SHIT this fox is a Jew
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>>174225015
You could try but it's a pipe dream.
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>>174225070
P3P GOLDEN

It's FeMC's time to shine
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>>174225040

What happened to the lobsters, guys. They where there one scene and then they where gone?
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>>174225086
Wait, how? They don't get turns. You sure it's not subrecover?
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THE FUCK IS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SWORD DANCE AND BRAVE BLADE?
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>>174225070
arena probably
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>>174225106
Considering the fact that they fucked P3P up so bad they had to add a waifu protag in to give people a reason to buy such a butchered port I wouldn't complain about a P3 remake, it's been almost 11 years and it fucking needs one desu
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>>174224639

Persona's shaky canon makes that hard to determine. SMT IF is in continuity with it, even though they refuse to anknowledge previous games outside of cameos.
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hahhahahahahahaha, I missed /pg/ I spent years huddled under a rock so I could avoid spoiler hahahahahahahaha
isn't that crazy!?
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i like how joker is more careful about calling meido teacher and making sure there's no phone record than his criminal fucking conspiracy
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>>174225176
I dunno, but Brave Blade (with Yoshitsune) seems to have a much higher chance of dealing crits.
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How would you do a Persona 1 remake
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>>174225245
Sensei is more important.
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>>174225294
>>>/vg/smtg
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>All this pancake-memeing
>when at the very beginning of the game you're told a team-mate ratted you out
>only ones it could have been is either Haru or Goro since the others have been solid with you and they're the newest.
>Haru even has a black mask and never seems broken up that her dad died

>be a bookfag
>read everything when you get a new team-mate because the books reflect their personal Persona
>when Haru joins the book reflects her Persona, just like the others
>Goro's book isn't about Robin Hood, some necronomicon shit
>Goro most recently joined
>Goro suggested Sae's palace
>Goro seems to know the palace's workings the entire time

Gee I wonder who ratted me out. The reveal wasn't a surprise but that fake out about being shot in the head got me.
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>>174225245
She's the only one smart enough to request it.
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>>174225294
Pretend that the whole game takes place in America, rename and redesign all of the characters so they look American, and change one of the characters into a black kid for no reason.

...Oh wait.
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>>174225346
>Goro's book isn't about Robin Hood, some necronomicon shit
that's futaba's book, whose persona is literally the necronomicon

i don't think akechi even has one
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>>174225294
with P1 and P2 it'll probably just be an HD upscale of the PSP ports

if you change P1/P2 to be more in line with modern Persona games people will bitch about it, and if you don't then people will still bitch about it
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> Insults Ryuji all game
> The guy takes it in stride
> Gets PISSED over a throwaway comment on the beach that Ryuji doesn't even remember
> Finally gets told off ONCE
> I QUIT YOU MORONS ARE BETTER OFF WITHOUT ME

Was the shittiest instance of writing in this otherwise stellar game
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>>174225346
Dummy
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can i use Regent to lvl up the Emperor confidant?
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>>174225392
Fuck you, Morgana is literally better than Teddie.

Morgana x Aigis 4 lyfe

Fuck Teddie!
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>>174223981
>none of those are a thing anymore
funny, isn't it
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>>174225441
Yes, any persona in the wanted arcana works, including treasure ones.
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>>174225392

Gee it's almost like he was suffering a complete crisis of identity and his place in the team. You think it's about getting told?
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>>174225365
I thought that 4kids died a long time ago.
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Does Futaba watch you sleep? She has the whole shop bugged.
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>>174225469
awesome
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>>174225172
>>174225098
A R T
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>>174225467
>>none of those are a thing anymore

So Persona 3's ending never happened?
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ever notice how /pg/ get's really autistic around this time?
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>>174225532
She's too busy watching anime.
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>>174225556
are you retarded?
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>>174225508
That complaint would make more sense if he wasn't being literally useful 100% of the time

He has never been out of my team for any reason
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Madarame did nothing wrong.
Those talented fags would never have any success outside of street portraying.
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>>174225532
She has the restaurant bugged but not the attic. She did install stuff on your phone though.
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>Sae will never sit on your face

Why live?
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>>174225392
Pretty much the weakest point. That whole 'YOU LOST YOUR REAL PURPOSE' thing was grating, especially when I had done Mementos tasks for a few SLs at the time to improve their lives and not for the fame or fortune. Mona being jealous of Futaba and Makoto stealing his place on the team and getting pissy about Ryuji taking the piss on him for all the times Morgana did to him torpedoed any sort of amity I had for the little shit, especially because he was treating Joker, Ann, and Yusuke like shit when they didn't do anything to him.

Joker especially considering all he did for him. Maybe that would have been a better reaction if your personal choices in the game were to shit on Morgana and refuse to call him anything but a cat or not a human every time he talks to you but as someone who was being supportive and nice, he came off as a real ungrateful dick.
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>>174225387

Eh you could work it as a more straight forward game with a better graphics engine and a more updated combat system.

Now that negotiations are back you can find ways to work those back too. Honestly I think it could work.
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>>174225687
>came of as
he was a legit ungrateful dick

but that's fine because it's not like anyone's perfect
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This guy fetches the goddamn Yakuza to make sure you're doing fine in juvie at the end.

Is that cool or kind of creepy?
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>>174225392
Akechi's monologue during the TV show where he says no one loved him was worse, also Akechi explaining his master plan to Shido (while using his real name) over the phone for no reason.
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>>174224991
anybody?
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>>174225727
Yes
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>>174225687
>refuse to call him anything but a cat or not a human every time he talks to you
why would anyone not do that?
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>Japan's biggest problem is Yakuza
>only change like one or two's heart
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>>174225392
Teddie pulled the same shit, got a little bit of criticism and bailed on the group
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So I already know about the Holy Grail boss fight in mementos. Will I be railroaded to it eventually or do I have to go there myself?
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>>174225727

You should be grateful.
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>>174225841
Railroaded to it eventually.
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>>174225835
he didn't
he bailed because the case was seemingly closed and Nanako died, he only wanted to stay around because of her
in his case little bit of criticism led to him getting a Persona and a human body
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>>174225764
Are you for real?
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>>174224991
> Is there any way to skip a boss

I'm gonna go with no. And if this bothers you now, you may want to stop entirely
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>>174225753
He just wants daddy to notice him

...Before he whispers in his ear at the end of the day "I am your son" and kills him...

That's pretty much Akechi. He's such a shitty character that bleeds edge, I don't get why he has such a following.
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>>174225883
So then what's the point of getting to the end of mementos? I thought Holy Grail was the end boss.
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>>174225926
Its like Tartarus in P3. You're free to ignore it for a while, but you will have to reach the end eventually.
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>>174225913
Let's see... Fuccboi design, easy to understand motives, 2edgy4me/tragic backstory and the fact that he's the designated rival for the MC?

Grade A fujo bait right there.
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The best girl is unconquerable why joker even live is he can't steal her heart?
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>>174225913
>liking or feeling sorry for Goro

Dumbass had all that power and he used it selfishly and ruined lives. Surprised Futaba didn't flip her lid on him because he HAD to be the one who killed her mom. The one holding the gun decides the fates of others at the end of the day, not the guy who orders shit around.
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>>174226002
cool gotcha
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yusuke in the P3 outfit looks like someone looks the MC and stretched him out like taffy

>>174226020
don't fug makoto's sister
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>>174225913
because fujos
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>>174225727
I guess thats fine
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>>174226007
Unless people find Shido handsome, why did someone as pretty as Goro spawn from someone like him
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>>174225106

I dunno about that. Golden the animation bombed and they clearly regretted not waiting for P4G to come out first so they might want to get the definitive version of the game out before any spinoffs so they can factor in the inevitable new donut steel waifu into it.

Even though it would be blanatantly jewery and silently admitting they gimped the original to make people double dip to release it so soon.

FES was out soon after P3 after all and the main reason Golden took so long was because they didn't want to dumb it down by releasing it on the PSP but the PS2 had been discontinued.
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>>174226076
The fact that he looks like he's 33 at best when he's actually 53 means that he has premium quality genes.
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>>174226104
How long did it take between P3 and 4 and their re-releases again?
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>>174226020

Sae wasn't just mean to Makoto, she was a bitch to Sojiro. She can go to hell.
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YVWH was right
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>>174226076
Hideki Kamiya has swag for days though.
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>The guy you pushed down at the start of the game is actually the big bad
top kek
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>>174226151
she's very nice now. would probably suck joker's dick in apology so it's fine
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>>174225392
The real thing is how is he gonna feel when he gets run over and replaced with another cat?
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>>174225913
He's easily the worst written character in the game but you can ship him with MC so people like him. He's somehow not even as likable as Adachi.
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>>174226076
I wouldn't call him ugly. Though he does look like the living embodiment of abusive fathers to me. I think it's the bald head goatee and douchey glasses combo.
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>>174225902
yeah why?
It didn't bother me in other games as it wasn't an issue but it's kinda an issue for this game.
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>>174225392
What has teddie got to do with morgana being a piece of shit crybaby?
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>>174224231
Mark danced crazy!
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>>174225718

It'd be an awful lot of work. Persona 1 and 2 don't use the typical SMT demon designs so they'd have to basically make a brand new set of HD sprites for only those games.

In fact they'd have to do it twice because the two games don't even share designs with each other. The returning character's unique Persona's even look totally different in 2.
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>>174225105
Why not all of them?

>>174224782
Why do people think the traitor was supposed to be the twist? The game tells you that you were betrayed in the first 20 minutes and then goes out of its way to show Goro as suspicious, even letting you know when you'll be betrayed.
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>>174226218
he's got the gendo ikari aesthetic going on
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>Sojiro paid for my travel expenses to Hawaii

I swear he just gets more and more based as the year goes on.
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>>174226218
Or maybe it's because he literally has Nazeem's voice, the douchiest NPC in video game history.
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>>174226134
He's an extremely rich politician in Japan, I'm sure he has extensive means to make himself look young.

But why doesn't he find a wig? Unless some people aren't very touchy over being bald.
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>>174226134
>Goro says that when he and Shido met, Shido was just a young politician trying to get pull
>Young
>He was 51 when he met Goro
Nani?
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>>174226280
You aren't bald?
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>>174226291
That is young for a politician.
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>>174226104
>Golden the animation bombed
Question, by that do you mean "it didn't sell even half as good as the first anime"? Because, sadly, P4GA didn't bomb.
People hated it, they still do, but it didn't bomb. In fact it was one of the best selling anime in that season.
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>Work with Sojiro, with a hierophant
>Link doesn't increase
>Still says it won't increase next time
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>>174226261
"He gets more beta as the game goes on unfortunately" is what you meant.
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>>174226323
It is? I guess it's different in Japan. Where I live, we have young politicians as in around 30 or something. Granted, a lot of them are fucking fools but still
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>>174225835

Teddie bailed because he felt worthless since Nanako died and he'd thought he failed her.

That's a big difference from Morgana running off due to jealousy of Futaba being a better suporter and Ryuji firing back once after a whole game of being shat on, not to mention him getting butthurt at them getting cold feet because someone was clearly screwing with them and killed their principal because he wanted to keep learning more about himself.

I fucking hate Teddie with a passion but even I will admit he was a better character when it came to ditching the group than Morgana was.
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>>174226350
There's a certain point you have to wait for the story to catch up with his.
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>>174225727
Best daddy
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>>174226350
do you have Futaba?
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Will he ever be fucking free?
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>>174226402
jesus eventually stopped being crucified i think
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>>174226350
You can't link him past 4 or 5 until Futaba appears
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>>174226350
A. His is partially tied to the story. You won't be able to advance it past 4ish until a certain point in the story.

B. Sojiros Slink seems to advance much slower than average.for some reason.
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>>174226402
_no
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>>174226048

To be fair if Goro tried to just go after shadow Shido he'd had Armstronged the fuck out of him.
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>>174224991
Is this bait?
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>>174226426
Yeah, you right....

I guess we'll just have to keep taking his death for granted...
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>>174226350
You either need to make coffee or wait for Futaba to join depending on the rank.
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>>174226469
yeah it's fine he's got a 10/10 waifu like elizabeth on the case so really he's better off than most martyrs
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>>174226379
>he was a better characte

NO. No he wasn't. He was never a better character because motivations aside it doesn't change the fact that for 90 some of percent of the game Morgana is still a far more likable character than Teddie was.

Morgana's shit may seem petty in a vacuum but in context and because he's a more empathetic charter in general his bullshit is easier to swallow than Teddie's constant puns, obnoxious voice and sad attempts at wooing the ladies and no amount of HUR DUR Bridgette cosplay is gonna make him likable. A character can't just have ONE moment.
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>>174226512
>still thinking Elizabeth will save him
anon, it's been like 2 years, Aigis won, get over it.
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>>174226247

Probably because of how Atlus handles it in marketing with them trying to pretend Goro isn't a Persona user.

That only makes him look more suspicious, but it was weird.
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>>174226524
did you even finish reading that sentence?
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>>174226463
No, I put off smt games and other games like bayonetta from this.

Persona 3 and 4 was an exception as it didn't really go that far.
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>>174226553
>implying he won't be the pantshitting surprise character in P5A
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>reject Haru at Rank 9
> actually feel pretty bad about it

FUCK
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>>174226280

He's touchy enough to shave off his horseshoe so he clearly cares.

But he's probably rich enough that it doesn't matter to him much. He's not trying to win beauty contests he's trying to become the overlord.
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>>174226553
if he's dead and sealed aigis isn't winning anything
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>P5 releases
>tons of threads on shit like Neogaf and Reddit complaining about series staples
>IGN and GameSpot shitting Youtube videos about it daily
>all the casuals jumping into the bandwagon because le stylish menus XDDD
>/v/ constantly shitting on our threads that where already cancer

I don't like it. At all.
Popularity was a mistake.
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>>174226524
>his bullshit is easier to swallow
It really isn't. morgana should be put to sleep
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>>174226630
That's what you think...
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Reposting a template from last night.
Sky's the limit.
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>>174226663
aigis can't spend all her time at the end of the world, and part of the pleasure of watching someone sleep is watching them breathe and changes in expression which is impossible when the target of observation is an unchanging statue. also that they eventually wake up and they can have s-link time
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>>174226639
>Neogaf and Reddit complaining about series staples
I think I actually missed that shit thank christ. What did they complain about?
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>>174226639
Dude, Persona 4 happened, this can't be any worse than that.
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I'm lost on Yaldy's shitshow, can someone fill me in?

> If Goro wins, he justifies that humanity is hopeless and needs to be eradicated

> If Potter wins, he justifies that humanity is hopeless and needs to be eradicated because fuck you I cannot lose it's MY GAME

How the fuck this fair?
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>>174226595
In Persona games the angels are just a reflection of our psyche, not the real thing if that helps you any. They're assholes because we're assholes, unlike SMT where they're just assholes for no reason other than the shitty excuse they have for a story (aka muh alignments)
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So when you beat the twins in NG plus, they basically beat the player over the head with hints about really being Lavenza.

But since this is NG plus, you already know that. What was the point here?
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>>174226738
weren't legit angels assholes too
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>>174226725
>How the fuck this fair?
It's not, that's why he gets a bullet to the face.
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>>174226524
>constant puns,
oh come on, don't blame the guy for Atlus USA's decisions
>sad attempts at wooing the ladies
"muh lady Ann"
though this one actually makes romancing Ann better. It didn't feel like that back in P4 when Ted was constantly hitting on all girls but in P5 I really want to make out with Ann right in front of Mona's face as he watches helplessly from his cat carrier. Probably because with Teddie it never felt too serious while Mona focused only on her and seemes more dedicated.
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>>174226725

Pre Crisis God is a cunt. Seriously this is the same fucker who told Moses to get Ramses to free the slaves and then did nothing but rain plagues while hardening the Pharaoh's heart in order to make that shit impossible.
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How many handjobs, blowjobs, and assjobs did Kawakami give before meeting you?
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>>174226725
I try not to pay attention to some nips take on his existential crisis in videogame form.
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>>174226725

It isn't. Why do you think he gave Goro a 3 year head start and a ridiculous broken Persona that was powerful enough to fight a whole team, could berserk people, let him hide his presence and disguise his outfit,while Potter was stuck with Arsene.
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>>174226848
probably a lot but she's a grown woman who cares
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>>174226906
Organizations that take advantage of women should not exist.
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>>174226889
>a ridiculous broken Persona that was powerful enough to fight a whole team
>while Potter was stuck with Arsene
robin hood and loki couldn't even handle one guy and arsene unchained was literally satan
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>>174226889
So does this mean Goro was also regularly visiting a Velvet Room?

If so, what would his look like?
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>>174226713
Why isn't there a female protag when """every""" game nowadays has one.
Why can't you be a fag.
Why doesn't the game auto-save.
Why is the game too hard (fucking kek).
Why isn't the game set on college, highschool girls are creepy ;_;
Why is homosexuality treated as a joke >:(( Kanji and Naoto where so inclusive!
Why is are fusions so hard?
Why do you get game over whe the protag dies?
Why isn't there a Switch port?

Get with the times old man Atlus!!!!


Bunch of fucking faggots, I hate them all.
Leave my series alone.
I blame Neogaf and their thirst for PS4 exclusives back when P5 was announced.
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I'm not sure if this bothered anyone else but there's a line of dialogue that says something like "If we weren't a team we couldn't have beaten Akechi" when I'm certain fighting Akechi 1v1 wouldn't even be hard
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>>174226947
Now I'm curious.

What would unchained Loki be?
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>>174226889
>Goro gets a 3 year headstart and a broken Persona
>doesn't expand his Personas and enjoys his free ride

>Joker gets shitty Arsene and has to work at being great, requiring teaming up with others to succeed

>By the time they face off Goro has been riding the easy train and reaps the reward for his inattention and posturing. Joker's hard work and survival strategy pays off.
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>>174227001
Why isn't there a female protagonist?
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>>174227001
>Why do you get game over whe the protag dies?
Kek, glad I was playing the game at the time
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>>174227001
You forgot the PC begging
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>>174227036
loki had no chains to break
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>>174227046
Because only men truly know the oppression that the chains of society bring?
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>>174226725
Gods are cheating assholes. Izanami pulled similar shit though she didn't give anyone a head start.
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>>174227069

He did get a horse penis up his vagina once
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>>174227001
auto save could be funny when you fuck up fusions and end up with a slime instead of some high level of persona.
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Will they ever create a girl as cute as her again?
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How do I git gud at batting? I read the book and I'm using my powers but I can't hit a home run for the life of me. Do I need to angle the stick in a certain way?
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>>174227117
Izanami didn't cheat though. She would just back off for 50 years and wait for another chance
>>174227129
that's more like a rod than a chain
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>>174227116
>he says this when Sae Niijima exists
She's literally the epitome of oppression.
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>>174226725
> If Goro wins, humanity is proved hopless and the Holy Grail takes control of everyone.

> If Joker wins, humanity is left alone and the Holy Grail goes away

> Turns out the Holy Grail has personal involvement and is too biased to be a fair referee.
I don't see the problem.
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>>174227186
You need to hit the bottom part of the ball.
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>>174227069

That's actually right. Loki floats high in the air and doesn't seem to be chained to him (though the berserk aura makes it hard to see) although Robin Hood has the same effect as everyone else's Persona's.
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At the least, you guys have to admit the MC dying and game over is still horrific game design for JRPGs.

I mean, getting ambushed or facing a group of enemies that do nothing but cast chancy instant death on you? How's that fair.
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>>174227186
Sounds familiar
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>>174227251
loki's already a god and the ultimate personas of the main cast all go from famous human figures to a completely unrelated god

robin hood to loki, i don't think there's room to evolve unless the cast gets the golden treatment
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>>174227206
>knows a female prosecutor will have a really hard time getting anywhere
>becomes one anyway
>proceeds to throw a bitchfit at Makoto because her life is hard
she can only blame herself desu
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>>174227206
That's obviously fiction, and even then she doesn't have urges that men have to suppress in modern society.
She truly cannot feel the weight of the world on her shoulders because she is a woman.
FeMC is the same. She had an easier time sacrificing herself to save the world because she wasn't a man.
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>>174227186
You gotta hit the bottom part of the ball to get under it, like a real baseball
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>>174227263
By being able to do the exact same on the enemies.
Get good or go play Pokemon.
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>>174227263
Especially when there are revival skills and items. If any party member can revive any other member with no negative concequences, why can't they do the same for me?
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>>174227263
Fair isn't fun.
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>>174227117

Izanami mostly played fair (although until Golden Yu didn't get an aspect of herself helping him directly). She only started cheating when Yu confronted her directly which wasn't part of the game (which is just that for the hope guy winning she leaves the world alone for 50 years before doing it again)
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>>174227339
>this post
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>>174227281
Ann looks almost the same for some reason, what the fuck
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>>174227281
I don't understand why they change the race of japanese people
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>>174227376
>(although until Golden Yu didn't get an aspect of herself helping him directly)
can you just kill yourself already
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Can I waifu more than 1 girl in P5?
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>>174227415
That's her self insert so she needs to look like something that doesn't resemble a square
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>>174227464
If you don't value your life, sure.
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>>174227452

He's technically not wrong.
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>>174227464
as many as you want with no consequences besides extra options, an extra item, and a bonus comedy scene at the end
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So you're telling me that Futaba was a shut in for most of her teenage life but she's still gorgeous and skinnier than a board?
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>>174227415
I mean, other than Haru and Futaba they aren't that offensive.
At least it isn't like that dementia tier art style from that Tumblrtard who draws Danganronpa shit.
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>>174227508
You mean the skill cards? eh, it wasn't anything Margaret couldn't have handled.
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Would you really trust a shady punk rock doctor?
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>>174227526
You can be thin without doing anything, all you have to do is not eat a lot/like shit
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>>174227530

50 percent is still a failing grade and it's closer to 75 when you factor in ambiguously brown makoto and 100 because everyone is thunder thighs
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>>174227582
>because everyone is thunder thighs
that's not always a bad thing
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>>174224025
Her name is Ann.
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>give it my all at one shotting futaba's pyramid
>want to get it done quick so I only save at the bottom of the staircase
>make it to the very last stretch
>fight an anubis on my way to the puzzle
>L O L voodoo doll instant death, thanks for playing!

I don't know if I can keep playing.
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>>174227575
Don't post virg comics.
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>>174227575
If she's as cute as Takemi, of course
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>>174227543

He means beyond the character added to the game that actually creates an actual sense of ongoing narrative for the major villain instead of having it being a unnamed NPC that no one will remember after 60 hours of play time

but everyone shits on Marie because it's easier to do that than face reality about how lame and pointless to the plot Chie or Naoto are.
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I think my biggest caveat for this game is how fucking boring Mementos is. Persona 3 had the same issue, not going to lie. The worst part though is the Mementos music track isn't particularly imaginative and it never, fucking changes. Persona 3 got away with the similar design because they remixed the Tartarus theme for each block (not to mention the Tartarus theme itself was way more interesting anyways). Exploring Mementos was boring as fuck with the only highlights being the bosses and finding the exit.
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>>174227656
you can roll through mementos way quicker than tartarus

each floor takes less than a minute
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>>174227627
Then don't, nobody cares.

>>174227656
Same, but for me I actually prefer the Persona 3/4 style dungeons, the P5 dungeons are annoying and lame.
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>>174227656
Mementos is the worst part of the game easily
>>
HEY

INMATE
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>>174227627
Fuse a Bless and Curse Null/Repel/Resist persona.

Pretty sure he doesn't have any other type of attack.
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Did anyone else have to look up a guide for the last part of the spaceport palace? I feel dumb because I was able to do everything else on my own but not this.
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>>174227613

It is when they're just fucking fat. This isn't some sexy Wakfu hip action going on this is "We're out of Cheetos and cake"
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>>174227732
Little pasty nerd mad that not everyone adheres to his sameface misogynist anime shit?
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>>174227713
>>174227698

Yeah but you can blitz through Mementos. Tarturus and the TV world where the main games. P5 at least had real dungeons to fall back on. I just hunted 5 targets and it took like half an hour
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>>174227731
No I did it on my own.
I still don't know how I managed to finish the puzzle
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>>174227691
If you're a bit lucky, yeah. But you could run through Tartarus floors pretty quickly too once you got a feel for how the floors are generated. They never change between blocks, after all.

>>174227698
I'm going to have to disagree. I'm not going to say the Palace design was perfect. The Space Palace game of having to find the right boss with the keycard was fucking awful. Similarly, the hallway puzzles that break up the bosses on the Ship Palace are equally terrible. But overall, I actually quite enjoy the specifically designed dungeons as opposed to the repetitive, algorithmic ones.
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If you guys really paid attention to the stories, of all non-Palace Mementos villains, who was EASILY the most vile/irredeemable to you?
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The first time Futaba moral support happened I thought my game was exploding
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>>174227000
Goro did not have his own VR, as he's only stuck with Loki and Robin Hood.

I assume he will have VR after Joker finished his contract in P5 Crimson, assuming Goro's still alive. I imagine it will be a Courtroom with the real Igor as the Judge, Caroline as the Prosecutor, Justine as the Defendant, and Lavenza as the Jury.
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>>174227880
>If you're a bit lucky, yeah
yeah and if you're not lucky maybe it takes a minute and a half
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>Spend 45 Minutes fighting Kaneshiro
>All SP gone
>3 party members dead
>Used all 10 revives I had already
>Super VIP AoE move kills me at full HP even while guarding

I wouldn't be so mad except this is the second time this happened so almost two hours wasted on this fucking boss battle.
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>>174227575
The punk rock part only makes me trust her more
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>>174227926

cat killer. That shit ain't right.
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>>174227654
an ongiong narrative for the major villan that was supposed to be a total mystery for the entire game that wants you to take initiative and find out the truth yourself? great
>a unnamed NPC that no one will remember after 60 hours of play time
not remembering him was the entire fucking point.
She doesn't even bring anything to the table other than rehashing Teddie's arc and making the overall story worse.
>how lame and pointless to the plot Chie or Naoto are.
Most people do realize that. In fact most characters in those games are pointless.
I'd rather have lame and pointless characters than plot-relevant garbage like Marie.
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>>174227926
The parents who were using their daughter as a sex product, that's just fucking disgusting.

Honestly they should just die.
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>>174227974
Get good. He's not hard at all.

Just hit him when he's on top of the rolling pig.
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>>174227953
that's fucking stupid
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>>174227974
did you download the dlc
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Did someone say pancakes?
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>>174228041
What else? I don't mind if it's Prison again, but I hope the layout will be different than Joker's since every VR is constructed according to the host's state of psyche.
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>>174227615
Just be thankful they're still not calling her Anzu
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mementos field chatter is good. there are so many unique skits that i can't bring myself to hate it
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>Game where Teacher (male) has foeced sexual relations with Student (female) is viewed as the worst ever
>Same game where Student (male) has foeced sexual relations with Teacher (female) is viewed as the best ever

Joker forces Kawakami even though she says no for 10 social ranks. Yet it's ok.

Explain.
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>>174227926
The assassin posing as a hobo was a standout.

On the other end, there was that construction guy who wanted to tear down the local theatre owned by a old couple.
> The theater is closed all the time and they're old, I just need the property
> EFF YOU EVIL GUY
> *fight*
> REPENT YOUR SINS EVIL GUY
> B-but my superiors will fire me if I don't get the theatre...
He wasn't getting violent or anything, I don't see why we needed to get him fired.
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>>174228018
Is it too crass to say "everyone's gotta eat" here because that's how they justified it
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>when you go the Yu route
Never go full Yu
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>>174228149
It's ok when hot female teachers do it
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>>174227993

yeah that's bullshit. Have you just never read a mystery? Or even seen one more complicated than an episode of Scooby Do?

Mysteries are about piecing together clues and ruling out suspects. It's about using the evidence the game gives you to piece together the culprit. It's not about the game info dumping in the last second that some completely unrelated character you barely ever saw is the real culprit.

For as much sense the reveal in P4 made you could have had the killer and the end boss be anyone. you could have info dumped some shit about how the ramen shop was some secret god for all it mattered. Read a fucking book.
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>>174228149
I saw this bait yesterday stop this
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>>174228149
You can't self-insert into Kaneshiro
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>>174227974
Conserve your SP during the first phase. Debuff his attack and defense during Piggytron. Are you guarding during March of the Piggy?

It's a pretty straight-forward fight all things said.
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>>174226402
He will. Igor needs a solid replacement.
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>>174228149
>non-consensual
>consensual

???
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>>174228178
whatever it's fine

i don't understand why people pretend this had actual consequences, literally the worse thing was ann calling you a dick
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>>174228178
Makoto's going to break every bone in your body.
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>>174228149
Because Japanese people are literally brought up through pornography and misogynist culture so it reflects in their writing.
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>>174228154
>He wasn't getting violent or anything,

If you actually talk to them he threatens to burn their theater down. He was making all kinds of threats to them.
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>>174228149
Japs has strong mommy issue.
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>>174227926
The parents for "Daughter's Just a Meal Ticket" and the target for "Calling Justice for Cats". Out of all of the Mementos bosses, they stand out because I find them to be the most vile.
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Where were they when Igor was imprisoned, unless Yaldy really managed to dupe them all
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3D?
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Can't you just find anyones name, go to Mementos and change their desire in anyway you want?

Like I could change Makotos heart to make her a cock hungry gangbang loving slut?
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>>174228408
makoto's shadow doesn't exist in mementos
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>>174228236
The consequence is that you're a dick.
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>>174228352
Velvet Room attendants have their own lives you know? They don't just spend their whole lives cooped up with a long nose retard who has a human fetish.
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>>174228408
Purseowners don't have Shadows to manipulate.
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>>174228406

show the stockings.

>>174228408

I mean yeah, you could. If you could convince her shadow anyways. But that'd be evil.
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>>174228352
Elizabeth is off looking for a way to help Door-kun. Margaret is... I don't know. Dealing with P4A stuff?

Theo is non canon.
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>>174228406
>no braid across the top
Why even bother
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>>174228205
anon, you do realize that the detective mystery part ended when you found out it's Adachi, right? You decide to pursue Izanami only to find out what's up with TV World. It's why you still get a good end when you don't search for her.
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does the rank 10 bonus from an slink carry over and become available to use from rank 1 on ng+? i heard if you cheat on the female slinks they reset
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>>174228406
Not bad. Just needs the headband.
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>>174228460
> Theo is non canon
Poor, naive anon.

The spinoffs are canon. And he appears in two of them
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So why did Atlus try to prevent people from streaming past 7/7 anyway?
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>>174228460
>Theo is non canon.
why do you keep repeating that?
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>>174227926
The ones selling photos of their daughter were the worst for me, though the ones that were blackmailing your teacher were real fucking close.

I haven't done Sojiros link yet but the guy in that sounds pretty bad too.
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>>174228408

No. All you can do is remove distorted ones.

And in some cases if they have no distortion whatsoever you won't be able to locate their shadow in mementos at all, probably because it's not a prisoner there.
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I want to touch Futabas butt before she has had her change of heart. I want her to cry due to her fear of other people. I want to rape her.
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>>174228480

I realize it fine. The point was that it was still awful writing. Necron made more sense in FF9 than Izanami.
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>>174228556

Spoilers. And by spoilers they mean they don't want people watching playthroughts of the story instead of buying the game.
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>>174228178

when I did vday they all showed up saying they saw me with another girl. What's their excuse if you choose to do nothing?
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>>174228587
*changes ur heart*

Nothing personal, human scum
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>>174228569
Wonder if it's possible to undistort your own esires. Like, Mishima was close, but even that was due to influence from the Thieves. In theory, if you persuaded someone to turn their shit around in the real world, would that eliminate their Shadow?
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>>174228656
the excuse is that they literally all showed up at the same time
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>>174228587

God damn it do I need to get Chris Hanson again.
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>taking particularly long to clear a mementos floor because I found a treasure demon and wanted to look up a list of weaknesses before hand
>not long after I capture it, a reaper spawns
>controller dies seconds after
>got ambushed as soon as I turned it on
>ignored hifumi pretty much entirely so no escape option
>accept my fate
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>>174227263
safe mode exists
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>>174228558
Sounds bad?

Anon, he made Futaba sleep in the kitchen floor, beat her, didn't let her bathe, and didn't feed her much.

And he spends his time blackmailing Sojiro to lend him money or he will try to take custody of her again.

This guy had no good excuse either, he just needed to straight up die.
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>>174228741
At least he didn't have sex with her against her will, that's worse than all of those things you listed combined.
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>>174228735
Have you considered heeding the "Your controller's battery is low" messages and charging your controller?
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>>174228741
honestly there should have been the option to go to mementos solo and just kill targets you didn't like personally. not like joker wasn't willing to murder at the beginning if you chose the right dialogue options
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>>174228697
That's pretty much how it went with Sae.

Sure, they beat up her shadow and had a heart-to-heart with it, but I feel that it was mostly Jokers interrogation and what followed that had the most influence.
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I'm convinced that anyone who willingly waifus Makoto has brain damage.
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>>174228827
It's supposed to be Goro's job to do this kind of shit. Too bad he was affiliated with Shidou.
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>>174227263
Aww, miss your save states faggot?
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>>174228850
You sound mad
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So I actually abandoned this general to avoid spoilers for various games right around the time Dancing All Night came out, I just finished my first run of P5 today. Its nice to be back.

What did you guys think of it? I'm still trying to work out where I rate it compared to 3 and 4. They all have strengths and weaknesses compared to each other, so its tricky. I did feel like that the main group was both better as a whole but had less stand out characters I really liked. Like, I'd rate all of the Phantom Thieves a solid B, but there weren't any A tier characters like Kanji, but no C tiers like Yosuke either.

Of course the real question... Who was your first romance? I went with Hifumi though Futaba was damn close; I think getting the beach scene with Hifumi gave her the edge to win in my playthrough, plus I wanted to see how fleshed out the non-team member romances were compared to previous games. The Christmas/Valentines days were pretty nice; the bit where the voice actor sounds like she's about to cry was actually pretty touching.

Also, am I wrong or is Ann the most sexualised major character we've had so far?
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>>174228850
>I'm convinced that anyone who willingly waifus has brain damage.
ftfy
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>>174228889
what does goro have to do with this shit? i don't mean assassinating people for political gain, i mean getting the choice to murder petty targets if they pimp out their kid. like maybe not the big ones like madarame or anyone the team has big input on, because that would change the main plot too much, but the mementos targets are inconsequential
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>>174228589
not being foreshadowed enough isn't the same as not making sense
Izanami exists to explain the TV World and how Yu, Adachi and Namatame had an accessto it and she does, it's something the player has to want to find out about to find answers, and that's what happens. Every fucking S.Link mentioning something being off and wondering about the rumor from a year ago on the last day should've been enough for the player to realize something is missing.
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What is the best music track in Persona 5 and why is it Rivers in the Desert?
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>>174228915
What a coincidence, I did the same thing.

Wonder if alot of people did the same thing and are just coming around now.
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>>174228983

her could have been the Personasher
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>>174228915
Better than 4 clearly but worse than 3 because the story is pretty not good
Futaba
Probably
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>>174228915
>Also, am I wrong or is Ann the most sexualised major character we've had so far?
either she or Rise, yeah
>Of course the real question... Who was your first romance?
Sensei, followed by every other girl
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>>174228983
oh dont tell me futaba's used goods
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>>174228805
He even tries to punch her in front of you.

You should've kicked his ass except he also threatens to sue you because he fell on his ass trying to hit Futaba.
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How come Cat Morgana only gets a portrait at the very end of the game?
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>>174228983
You know, being able to brainwash people into being good (or at least not dicks) is probably the time going vigilante and killing them is LEAST useful.

Sure, some of them deserve to die, but if you're killing them it'd be more for your satisfaction then anything. Wouldn't it be better to brain wash them so they spend the rest of their lives making up for and supporting (financially, emotionally, whatever) the people they wrong?

Ethics and morality aside its just wasteful when you have emotional mind control as an option.
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Black guy in Shibuya as FeMC's Lovers confidant.

Yay or nay?
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>>174229019
I only came back two days ago.

[sopiler]What is this goropocalypse I keep hearing about?[/spoiler]
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>>174229015

You know what that was a poor choice of words on my end.

The issue isn't that it makes no sense. The issue is that it's something that's treated like an after thought and is stupid. The evidence needs to point to the reveal not the other way around.

It's like they forgot they needed an end boss and just decided on Izanami after the fact and made up some shit to justify it in the last hour.

You could have pointed to anyone not in the IT and made up a similar justification.
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Which P5 girl would make the best mother?
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Potter-kun does it
Macron did it
Is flirting with your teacher/professor really so bad?
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>>174229103
Anon, at least he didn't put his wiener in her. We're talking a lifetime of psychological issues here, to the point where she's basically just Shiho 2.0 and doesn't get to be a Phantom Thief.
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>>174228843
That's what confuses me. They used Sae's Metaverse to fool Goro, but after beating Shadow Sae and taking the Treasure shouldn't the Palace have crumbled? How does her Metaverse even exist anymore?
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>>174229019
I only go to /pg/ whenever news or a game comes out
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>>174229151
> [sopiler]
Thank you mobile
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>>174228178
I can't do it. That tiny bag that haru carries around is too much for me. I'll never be able to go the harem route in this game. I had no problem cheating on pikachu or 6head in P4 but this is too much.
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>>174229205
The real treasure was never taken. It was just the fake used to fool Akechi.
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>>174229205
If I recall correctly, didn't they end up not taking the treasure, it was all part of the cunning ruse? I remember something about how they actually got through to her with the power of justice, taking the fake suitcase to throw off Akechi
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>>174229205
They didn't actually take her treasure dummy.
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>>174229148
No, make him Temperance instead. It won't be the first time where the foreigner is the Temperance Social Link.

That is one odd NPC though, he just stands out so much and he has so many lines compared to other portraitless NPCs that I expected him to be one of the big bads.
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>>174228983
I sometimes wonder if people just don't realize how soul-crushingly awful real guilt can be.

You know how dying is bad and everyone tries to avoid it, right? Now imagine how bad something has to be in order for someone to consider suicide just to end the pain. Now imagine if the person believes in hell, and that they'll be tortured forever if they kill themselves, and they still want to kill themselves because they feel that living with the guilt is literally worse than hell.

Stay innocent, anon. And if you can't, try not to think too hard about the hypocrisy of whatever you're doing.
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>>174229205
They didn't take the Treasure. For their plan to work, they needed her Palaces copy of the interrogation room, so they left it standing.
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FeMC>MC>Yu>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Potter
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>>174229274
True I guess, and Sae's Shadow never poofed away either. Huh. So that's why her Rank 10 ability is just a bunch of question marks?
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>>174229315
uh i've done bad things and feel bad about them, i just want to kill dudes in a video game. don't read so much into it
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>>174229352
> her Rank 10 ability is just a bunch of question marks?
...what was that anyway? I had completely forgotten about it. Was it just where she busts you out of jail?
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>>174229017
You're right, that was the best. The one that plays when you go in to steal the treasure is pretty good too.

Though, I really thought the soundtrack was a step below 3 and 4. It wasn't bad by any means and in any other franchise I would have had nothing but praise, but I kept waiting to hear those tracks that would stick in my head for days at a time even when I wasn't playing and it never happened.
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>>174228697
That's basically what happens to Futaba as well as Sae
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>>174229447
Basically, it unlocks the true ending route. That's it.
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>>174229447
Unlocks the actual ending
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>>174229274
>>174229278
>>174229282
>>174229317

So she's still a bad person deep down? Or is a long sit-down talk with the trickster enough to trigger a change of heart?
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>>174229543
Did you actually play the game?
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So if you don't do Kawakami's Confidant, she will end up working as a prostitute and forever remain a slave to two horrible people until she dies a horrible death from being overworked?
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One thing I was hoping (but not really expecting) from 5 was that your team members would actually get some romances of their own going on; it always feels a little weird that you can have every girl in town on your arm but unless its with you, none of these young attractive and generally likeable teenagers in 3/4/5 ever get any dates, with the exception of Junpei.
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>>174228697
A shadow isn't the symptom of a problem it's closer to the idea of a literal shadow.
In terms of persona users theirs are superglued to their feet and won't wander off and get distorted.
Think peter pan.
Entering your palace and then binding your shadow is equal to becoming god of that realm.
Which is why instead of automatic turrets you spawn a shitty ballista several times.
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>>174229606
That's how most Japanese women go out
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>>174229091
What.
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>>174229174
Your teacher flirting with you is bad if you're a minor. But it's a common trope and it's just a game, so there is no point in being autistic about it.
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>>174229352
Not really.

It's there to mark the final adventure in pursuit for "True Justice". You don't know any of the details at that point, other than that the mysterious criminal hasn't been discovered and brought to justice. Hence the question marks.

I suppose it also symbolizes Sae finally coming to understand what True Justice really means, rather than that macabre version of "justice" that she had leading up to that point. Like falsifying evidence and witnesses in order to secure a "win" in court trials. And like the player and the MC, it could symbolize her finally understanding that the real criminal is still out there.

At least, this is how I understood it.
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>>174229662
But it's not okay when Kamoshida does it, apparently.
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>>174229589
I did but it's 100+ hours give me a break if I miss a few details
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Good god. Shinya needs an adult.
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>>174229639
I like to think Potter's keeping them on a sexual leash
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>>174229167
There were several hints and I believe it makes sense from a mythological standpoint but I guess it's hard to tell as Westerners looking at Japanese mythology
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>>174229701
Kamoshida wasn't flirting. He was touching and hitting.
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>>174229543
No, she had a change of heart but it wasn't done in the same fashion as the other Palace rulers. Instead of stealing the treasure and essentially removing those twisted desires altogether, they spoke to her Shadow and convinced her to be a better person. Which in turn results in Sae having an epiphany in the real world.

Just like what happens with Mishima during his social link.
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>>174229662
what if it's your former teacher
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>>174229701
yeah, because he raped a girl and forced himself into many others while Sadayo didn't.
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>Ryuji goes to Hawaii
WHOOOOOOOA
WHOOOOOOOA
WHOOOOOOOA
WHOOOOOOOA
WHOOOOOOOA
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>>174226684
thank you anon, trully doing Grail's work
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>>174228915
Maybe it's the "honeymoon effect" but I honestly like everything about P5 either as much as or more than P4 and P3.

First romance was the teacher because I was wondering how it'd be like.

Ann's pretty sexualized, but she's a model.
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>>174229701

There's a difference between ordering a student to your office against her will and pounding her raw, and eventually getting with a student after they make it clear they're into you and keep calling you back even though you've told them they're better off not getting involved with you like 5 times.
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>>174229876
that part made me laugh uncontrollably, like chill the fuck out lmaooooo
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>>174229876
>tfw you go to a different country and still end up at burger king
Worth the flight i'm sure.
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I understand true ending isn't too hard to get in this game because obvious dialogue choices but can someone tell me if I have everything correct so far. I didn't sell out my friends to Sae, and I have to keep clearing to the doors in Mementos and not make a deal with Igor when it comes up right?
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I forgot about this or never thought about it to begin with.

If Teddie is a shadow given sentience, why does he have a shadow self?
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>>174229958
just always pick the first answer
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>nigerian tout imitating the phantom thieves
>"They're dope!"
that's so fucking great
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Mishima should have been a party member instead of Ryuji
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>>174229998
because P4 was a mistake.
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>>174229958
That's basically it, yeah. As long as you don't sell out your friends to Sae then you're guaranteed to get through the interrogation room and Akechi "kills" the protagonist but you now know that it was a ruse. I just did it again and after getting past the two flags (wherein Sae asks me twice to sell out friends and confidants) then everything from then on was basically to get Sae to notice the phone and the plan went underway.

And yes, I hear if you accept Yaldabaoth's offer then... bad ending, game over.
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>>174230021
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>>174229998
if a robot can have a persona i have no problems with a shadow having a shadow and that shadow becoming a human

when morgana becomes human, since his base form isn't a suit, i wonder if he's gonna erupt from his cat body in a spray of gore
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>>174229486
I think the thing with Persona 3/4s soundtrack is that they had a theme behind them but they weren't afraid to branch out. Which resulted in interesting music like Rise's dungeon theme.

While Persona 5 never really branches out. Blooming Villain and Rivers in the Desert (at least that I remember off the top of my head) are the only exceptions to this, both have much heavier drum and electronic instruments coupled with strong vocal, and are frankly much louder.

Persona 5's OST was fantastic and thematically very fitting. But I also know that they could work some serious magic if they wanted to.
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>>174229701
Sexual assault is bad so don't be bad and don't do it, mmkay.
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>>174229817
If you aren't a minor, I can't see any problem.
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>>174229998
A shadow is the supressed emotions of an ego given form. Teddie awoke to emotions, some of which he evetually tried to supress, giving birth to another shadow. If it has emotions, it had a shadow.

Of course, how Teddie awoke to emotion is a mystery, and Rise also specifically says that there is something else manipulating shadow Teddie, so there may not be an explanation to begin with.
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>>174230009
>>174230062
Alright thanks, seems they made it retard proof for people like me. I fucked up in P4 so hard the first time
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>>174229779
>MC takes secret trips into Mementos to slap around any manifestation of desire his teammates have for anyone but him

Makes sense
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>>174230138
>Rise also specifically says that there is something else manipulating shadow Teddie, so there may not be an explanation to begin with.

Yeah that never ended up being anything actually.

It couldn't have been Izanami doing it because she wasn't screwing with her test in any way.
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>the loading screen in Hawaii has P5-kun wearing a lei as his head spins around
That's cool.
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>>174230085
I hope Morgana becomes another trap
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>>174229167
>The evidence needs to point to the reveal not the other way around.
I think you are focusing too much on the character.
Sure, there was no evidence that something is up with the gas station attendant, other than him showing up only when it's raining and talking only about the current events. The gas station attendant could've been Tsukiyomi as well since he was the only one out of Heavenly Trio who was missing.
The thing is, it's not a detective mystery, you want an answer to what the fuck was up with the magical realm, and you get that answer. The final boss being Izanami isn't that important, her actions and role are. Her role made perfect sense, her being hidden away was not only thematically relevant but also something the game has used twice before; with Namatame (who actually shows up multiple times right before the victims were kidnapped and the game makes a point on how no one notices people like that) and Adachi (who you were supposed to overlook until the game presented you options but then P4G happened), think of it as slowly solving puzzles where the next one is more difficult than previous one.
>>174229802
>from a mythological standpoint
eh, not really. The entire thing between Izanagi and Izanami is just an explanation for the cycle of death. In the myth neither of them have anything to do with lies or truth or humanity's wishes and the fog thing was only Sagiri's business, and they are minor gods very loosely related to Izanami and Izanagi.
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>>174230245
his teammates don't exist in mementos
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Did they have any Detective Conan/Magic Kaito references in this game?
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What's your palace like /pg/?
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>>174230093
>Persona 5's OST was fantastic and thematically very fitting. But I also know that they could work some serious magic if they wanted to.

Yeah, thats a good way of putting it. They put out a great soundtrack, they just never seemed to go that extra mile to add that extra hook.
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>>174230350
Wedding Chapel.
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>>174230350
Dante's inferno
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When are they making a Persona management sim

>Manage your MCs
>Train your MCs
>Sell and Buy MCs
>Upgrade the velvet room
>Manage your servants

y/n
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>>174229876
>Ryuji says YEEEES I'M JAPANESE HAHAHAHAHAHA
>Subs say I AM JUST SO EXCITED!!! or somethign to that effect
Sasuga Hardin
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>>174230350
A fortified bunker where I'm protected from the outside world and have stocks of everything I want (so pretty much snacks and video games).
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>Ann asks what type of girl I like
>we're already dating
Why do you do these things girl?
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>>174229901
>Ann's pretty sexualized, but she's a model.

Thats true, but even aside from that stuff like her animation when she's critically hit, or even just casting spells really stuck out as a bit much
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>>174230350
Ever read dorohedoro? It's a house full of black smoke with no visibility that leads you in circle.
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>>174230462
So she can try to make you happier. Just accept it gracefully anon
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>>174230446

Look you can't blame him for everything anymore. He's gone. He quit.
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>>174230272
>The gas station attendant could've been Tsukiyomi
it's a small thing but
the gas station Izanami was working at is called Moel
Moel would be written as Moeru in japanese
moeru (燃える) means "to burn"
Izanami died being burned by Kagutsuchi, god of fire
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So of most likable and best female party members

Futaba > Makoto > Haru > Ann

Right?
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>>174230497
Have you not seen her follow-up attack?

It's quite literally dominatrix. She yells something like "Get on your knees", she does an animation where he "steps" on the person while laughing and then proceeds to whip the enemies.

I'm honestly not sure why the developers added it, to be honest. None of her dialogue or actions suggest she's like that, outside of combat anyways. Seems like the devs were just trying to force that shit into the game.
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>>174230664
Haru is the most likeable by far.
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>>174230596
Nonsense, he clearly has enough clout to influence actual game development as the community guy. Can't blame him? Anon pls
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>>174230664

I still haven't done Haru or Makotos links yet, but just from what I have seen I'm going

Haru>Futaba>Makoto>Ann.

The separation is tiny though. They're all nice girls.
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>>174230321
You mean other than Akechi saying "Case Closed" in the most orgasmic voice ever?
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>>174230247
The answer is magic and the CU. So Carl Jung did it.
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>>174230664
> Futaba > Makoto >Ann > Haru
Haru is sweet, but comes too late for me to actually care much about her.
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>>174230750
I could have sworn her line changes sometimes. In one I heard her say "buhi buhi" or something. Isn't that Jap pig sounds or some shit? So is she telling enemies to squeal for her too?
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>>174230137
ok
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>>174230664
Haru > Futaba > Makoto > Ann
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So tell me:

>Favorite Palace?

>Favorite Boss?

>Favorite BGM?
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>>174230769
Her confidant was awesome too when you find out the new CEO isn't a totally obviously evil saturday morning cartoon of evil (like the pimp in Makoto's confidant) but a good man that admitted he was too afraid of her father to help her.

Her father was such a scumbag I don't get why his death is played sorta tragically.
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>>174230857
She does change her lines, I should have been more clear with that. I've only ever heard her say "Get on your knees" and "Squeal for me". I dunno about "Buhi buhi" but I'm sure there is some similar connotation.
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>>174228149
She never says no, she's just hesitant in rank 9 because of their social position but accepts his feeling in rank 10.
Joker never force himself on her
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>>174230928
I think it's because despite everything, Haru still lost her dad, and despite everything, Haru still loved her dad. Makes it kinda sad anon, no?
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>>174230776

He's not the community guy anymore. Find the new one and blame them for everything.

Hardin likely quit because they were going to make him the one that had to convince the fanbase that the 7/7 shut out was a good idea and then direct all the rage at him.
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>>174230321
I can't withstand the sheer Futaba smug
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Give me your Satanael build ideas
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A few random observations

Is it me or does Haru come way too late? I know Naoto had a similar problem, but she'd also been making appearances and letting you get to know her since Kanji's arc, and when she does join she becomes probably the second most important member of the Scooby Gang. Haru is a nice girl but doesn't really add much more than any other member.

Not being able to join a school club felt weird.

I like Ann and Ryuji's dynamic WAY more than Yukari/Junpei or Chie/Yosuke

Really dug the Rank 10 Strength reward; never had the desire or need to grind in Persona games, so it was really fun to use some of the higher end personas I never bothered with before, and it finally gave you a good money sink for all your filthy yen. I fused as used Satan as my big gun for the final battle which felt extra appropriate given what happens.

On a related note, I also really liked how Arsene gets a little moment when you fuse it away, it always felt a little odd that you just get rid of your first persona and it doesn't matter previously.
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>>174230750
Not necessarily. It isn't like all BDSM people go around advertising what they're into. Maybe she's just living her desires out where nobody will question it. Or maybe it is just fetish bait. We ARE talking about Atlus here, after all.
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>>174230974
Gotta admit I was surpised though, Ann really doesn't give off the femdom vibe
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>>174231053
>Is it me or does Haru come way too late?
that's like the main thing people complain about when it comes to her
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>>174230928
Because this is Japan and clearly a man phantasizing vividly about his own daughter getting raped by her arranged fiance is just misunderstood while a guy who steals from his pupils is actively malicious.
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>>174231053
Haru is by far the calmest and nicest girl in the game. She's like a safe haven. I think her timing is just right, since she comes right at a time where you have alot of trouble while she gives you a place where you can escape to and get your mind off of things.
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>Kawakami never wears the maid outfit with her frumpy hair

WHY?! PIGTAILS ARE SHIT
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>>174231053
but Ann doesn't even call Ryuji dumb names like Stupei
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>>174231167
> a guy who steals from his pupils is actively malicious.

And ruins their lives if not ending them outright and exploiting a prodigy from age three after murdering his mother, basking in the thought of money while she dies in agony in front of him.
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Who else was hoping for Ryuji's blunders to get the Phantom Thieves caught? I was expecting him to go blab about their plans in front of Sae at some point. Would have even been cool if Ryuji flapping his cock holster would have made him the "traitor who sold MC out".

This fucking retard.
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>>174231298
is it murder if it was just negligence
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>>174230750
She likes strong sexy women and being a dominatrix is part of it.
She doesn't have a BDSM thing but it's probably just her playing the role of her ideal femme fatale archetype
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>>174228149
>not understanding consent
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>>174231103
I completely agree. I honestly cannot think of a single bit of dialogue or action Ann does in the entire game that might even "hint" at femdom. I'm convinced it's just forced into the game so that they can have some serious sex appeal for people who are interested in that. Too bad they couldn't have at least tried to write that into the story so that it might make sense.

>>174231090
But if the story never once talks about it, it might as well not exist.

Why would anyone assume that people are into BDSM until proven otherwise, and not the other way around?
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>>174231053
> Not being able to join a school club felt weird.

It did, but it makes sense. No club is gonna want the psycho with a record.
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>>174231189
Take this and enjoy it. It's the closest we're going to get.
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>>174231053
Haru is the weakest main character, it feels they added her just to fill the female members quota.
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>>174231414
>Not helping Journalist-chan rebuild her club
>No confidant with her
Crimson can't some soon enough
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>>174231341
Manslaughter is a thing.
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>>174231398
>Why would anyone assume that people are into BDSM until proven otherwise, and not the other way around?
Maybe she hasn't realized it yet. After the whole thing with Kamoshida, some sort of desire to dominate men would be perfectly understandable.
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>>174230903
>>Favorite Palace?

Thinking back, I think I actually liked the first Palace, the gym teachers castle, best. The bit where you're jumping about in the rafters really helped me get into the mood of the game.

>>Favorite Boss?

Probably the final boss. I feel like the pacing was just about right, unlike Shido who (much like his Palace) was at least one stage too long.

>>Favorite BGM?
Life will Change, the one that plays when you come into a palace to steal the treasure
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>>174231462
>weaker than Morg
Respectfully disagree, she does come too late though
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>>174231367
>being a dominatrix is part of that

I think that's quite a leap, to be honest. She does say she wants to be a strong individual like the villains in anime who stick to their goals/convictions regardless of how many times they are defeated. But no where does it talk about her fetishes or her interest in controlling other people.
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>>174231053
They should just start letting you keep party members in NG+.
Shinji and Goro really need it.
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>>174231341
Considering what he had on his mind and the fact he could have saved her life, obviously.

Overall, on the scale of outrageously evil villains in P5 it goes like this indisputably

Shido > Kaneshiro > Akechi > Kamoshida > Madarame
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>>174231414
Yeah, I understood why once I looked back on, it just felt odd after it being one of your first points of call in 3 and 4

>>174231482
She was definitely one of the better minor NPCs, I was sad I didn't get to see her in the late game.
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where's the strawpoll
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>>174230750
It fits the female villains her costume emulates and that she admired.
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>>174231462
Which is exactly why playable Hifumi as your Empress party member should have been a thing. She has ten times more personality, her English voice gives me eargasms and the whole "cultured beauty slash uber-chuuni" thing was actually pretty cool.
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Bedhead Kawakami is cute!! CUTE!!
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>like the best friend character in the Persona games
>everyone else hates them

Is it the archetype or what? I like that Ryuji wasn't shit on as hard as Junpei or Yosuke but it still feels bad that he isn't particularly liked anyway.
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>>174231514
Maybe but at this point you're just talking in purely hypothetical stuff that is never actually addressed in the game.

So lets just leave that discussion there. There still isn't a verifiable, in-game reason for why Ann is dressed up and acts like a dominatrix.
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>>174228915
As the 'sum of its parts' its the best Persona game and probably the best SMT game. I can't really say I was sick of the gameplay during my entire playthrough.

The weakest part of the game is probably the writing. I can appreciate the care put into the characters and I don't think there is a single character I disliked per se, but the story reeks of a sunday cartoon show. Plot armor is through the roof, everything is very convenient (Futaba gets her autism cured in a few days, and Haru gets over her father's death very quickly) and this game seems to be final nail in the coffin for the retcon of Philemon, which is a shame.

That being said I really enjoyed it and its probably my favorite in the series. Its memorable to me, but not for the same reasons Eternal Punishment and P3 were.

First romance was Kawakami and I didn't cheat on her.
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>>174231545
Morgana is a great healer yo
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>>174231462
>Haru is the weakest main character
She probably is the second best damage dealer in the game after ryuji. Her grenade launcher is fucking insane.
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>>174231730
I thought we were talking about character strength, not gameplay strength
Also, Haru is the best damage dealer that isn't Ryuji post learning One Shot Kill and Makoto is a way better all rounder than Morg
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>>174231671
As much as I liked Haru, I much would have prefered Hifumi myself.
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>>174231398
imo, it has nothing to do with anything sexual like BDSM, i think i read somewhere in game, what they look like in palaces, is what they think rebellion towards society is, so for ann case, since she was oppress? by Kamoshida for so long, naturally her rebellion towards society would be the power to fight against that oppression, and in this case, oppression towards man. but, that's just my spin on things.
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>>174231724
> Probably the best SMT game

Don't talk your ass out of things you don't know about.
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>>174231714
I think it's because he was the main focus around the worst part of the game, that little stretch where Morgana runs away.
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>>174230903
>Favorite Palace?
Casino
>Favorite Boss?
Yardy
>Favorite BGM?
Probably The Whims of Fate
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>>174231193
This, I don't know what that anon is thinking, Ann is actually a shitty character and shouldn't have been in the game to begin with.
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>>174231823
not that guy, but i like dating sims more than first person dungeon crawlers
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>>174231724
>best SMT game
Too far
>>174231829
That was blatently Morgana's fault though
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>>174231665
Ok except villainous female != dominatrix. Nor is femme fatale for that matter. You would have to seriously stretch these concepts to make them fit your idea.

So no.
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>>174231609

They'd have to let you keep levels for that.
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>>174231539
>When Life Will Change suddenly added vocals in Sae's dungeon
I admit, I grooved even harder that time
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>>174231671
>She has ten times more personality
She really doesn't. She has a character gimmick and that's basically it.
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>>174231714
People don't like Junpei? He was one of my favourites, especially because he actively got over his early game dickishness (and even that had a reason, just not a very mature one) and became a better dude. Plus he's apparently the only non-MC character to have any romantic life.

Ryuji was alright. I certainly didn't hate him and while he did piss me off a few times it wasn't enough to make me want him gone. Probably the worst was the whole thing with Morgana, and in his defence the cat had been just as bad to him since day one, it just all came to a head because of Morganas worries about becoming obsolete.
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He's way too loud, is used as comic relief instead of as a character 90% of the time, and he doesn't have the waifu defense. This is pretty much the character archetype because the dumb fuck of the group is never a waifu, same for the comic relief.
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>>174231578
I don't blame you if you don't know but in Japanese kid shows there are A LOT of female villains that have a dominatrix aesthetic to them
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>>174231878
Persona 5 tries to pander to the SMT crowd, though.

The edgier tone, everything about the combat, demons, and the Law vs Chaos theme.

The endgame is also one big homage to SMT.
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why do yusuke's lobsters have a million legs, holy fuck
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>>174231823
>Posting Strange Journey to argue that point
Strange Journey doesn't really hold a candle as a whole, although it did some things better. Maybe Deep will change my mind.
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>>174232056
>kawakami will never put on your school uniform

why live
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>>174232025
>>174232008
>>174231714
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>>174231993
Thats the curse of being social link as opposed to a party member though, naturally we're only going to get the bite sized characterisation. I certainly think she had enough potential to be a good party member.
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>>174231962
P4G does.
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>>174231817
You're right about the first part. The costumes are the person's rebellious nature given form.

Ann wasn't oppressed by anyone but herself. Unless her realization is that she a nymphomaniac with a fetish for femdom. Besides, she isn't the one who complains about "male-dominated society" or whatever, that Sae and Makoto.
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>>174232081
Feels bad
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>>174232027
Interesting. Could you give me a link or something? I've honestly never heard of this before. And, if true, I guess it would make sense of everything.
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>these fucking roomba robots
EXTERMINATE EXTERMINATE
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>>174232278
they're daleks my man
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>>174232124
Makes you wonder why Sae palace isn't a huge man oppressing BDSM palace, and why Goro costume is the way it is.
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makoto's dub voice is surprisingly alluring
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>>174232123

The only persona game that lets you carry over levels is 3, and it's only for the protagonist. And it ended up being a poor choice because it makes 3/4 of the game you one shotting everything.

It's only the protagonist for the same reason giving you all party members non-canonically wouldn't really work at the start of the game. The party members are coded to join at certain levels with certain skills and can't join otherwise.
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>>174232436
The dub is good apart from random NPCs, Haru and Ohya
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>>174230782
P5 is the toughest call of them all
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Sub or Dub? For me, it has to be sub. Mamoru Miyano is just too fucking good. Lelouch being there every once in a while helps too.
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>>174232345
Because her palace is less about the male-dominated society aspect and more about court trials. Considering she's a public prosecutor who spends a lot of time in the courtroom trying to "win". It make some sense that it's a casino even if it's a stretch of the imagination.
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>The final fight is you putting a fucking bullet right in god's head

This has been one of the most satisfying games I've ever played in my life. 131 hours and it was all extremely worth it. The gameplay was great, the hype during palaces and calling cards was great, the reverse ruse cruise was great, and the Valentine's Day event was the cutest goddamn thing on the planet.

Everything about that final stretch was just so perfect. It just all adds together wonderfully. Mishima gets the public to believe in the phantom thieves and him saying you're his best friend got to me, your completed confidants cheering you on, we make lawfags eat shit, you shoot god in the head with the power of your best bud Satan, you get released from jail miraculously, you get some sweet ass chocolate from your best girl and then go to the beach with all your friends.

Waiting like 3 years for this fucking game was worth it.
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>>174232192
Sadly I know this from my time from watching japanese shit as a kid so I don't really remember any specific characters or shows.

Only thing that comes close to my mind is characters like Doronjo and I'm not sure if she actually has that dominatrix vibe other than her costume
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>>174231724
>The weakest part of the game is probably the writing. I can appreciate the care put into the characters and I don't think there is a single character I disliked per se, but the story reeks of a sunday cartoon show. Plot armor is through the roof, everything is very convenient (Futaba gets her autism cured in a few days, and Haru gets over her father's death very quickly) and this game seems to be final nail in the coffin for the retcon of Philemon, which is a shame.


Yeah, pretty much. I certainly don't think its even a bad story, its just not a great one either. I suppose as least part of that might be cultural bias, where I imagine the whole rebelling against authority because they're dicks is a bit more radical in Japan, being what it is, where in the West it seems more obvious.

Definitely the most polished Persona game though; the graphics and stuff are to be expected due to being on a better console, but the little touches like the menus and transitions screens, more options in terms of fusion and uses for excess personas, being able to take your social links to places on filler days to get new scenes, even things like having your downtime options be more involved like the batting cages or video games, all really helped make it great.

Also the Cake Knight Rises.
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>>174232570
I wish the satanael you summon would have that almighty ability. Make it a fucking colossal almighty spell or some shit.
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>>174229171
Haru
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>>174232345
What I didn't get was Shadow Sae's getup. Is that really how she sees herself? Love how no one mentions it either, not even Ryuji
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>>174232570
it was nice having a protagonist that was satan on the inside all along
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>>174232570
>maxing Mishima's S.Link
>not letting the canon best friend rally people for you
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>>174232110
I'm still surprised Mishima didn't become one, actually, when he sussed out the Phantom Thieves quicker than Makoto did.

But at the same time they didn't have truly rebellious natures to invoke the Phantom Thief within them. Yusuke and Makoto both were close to being something of the same, content to their roles, but had a strong figure to rebel against. Hifumi's mom was overbearing but wasn't actively ruining her life and Mishima missed his chance during the Komoshida stuff.
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>>174232536
Dub for me, I confess otherwise the voices all blend together. Its a pretty decent dub fortunately, even the ones that aren't great are more on the "just okay" level than actively bad.
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So, do I go with smelly neet or Class Rep-san?
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>>174232570
Yeah there's some rough spots along the beginning and end of the game are among the best I've ever played.
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What happens if you cheat on one girl? Does she beat you up on her own?
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>>174232728
both
>>174232750
yeah
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>>174232603
Just to be clear. You're not mistaking femme fatale for dominatrix? Femme fatale would be their female charm to lure men into typically fatal situations.

Like that character doesn't have anything that stands out as Dominatrix/BDSM to me. A body suit like that is more about sex appeal.
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>>174229080
>5 worse than 3

You should kill yourself, fucking p3 babbie
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>>174232814
5 is better in every way other than story and music and when I play an 3 digit hour RPG story is easily the most important thing to me, also fuck you.
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where did all the groo posters go
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>>174232628
>Yeah, pretty much. I certainly don't think its even a bad story, its just not a great one either. I suppose as least part of that might be cultural bias, where I imagine the whole rebelling against authority because they're dicks is a bit more radical in Japan, being what it is, where in the West it seems more obvious.

It's not even the overarching theme that I really think is the problem. It's just how it's delivered. The entire cast just constantly parrots over and over again how shitty adults are and how much they hate them. I know their high school students but they sometimes they just feel needlessly edgy for the sake of driving home a point.

Baton pass will probably be a staple for the series going forward and you can tell a lot of care was put into the presentation, and it really pays off. Even buying equipment is stylish.

Will probably go for the platinum trophy after I've had some time to digest the ending. That Futaba trophy seems like cancer though.
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>>174232891
I hope they never come back desu
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>>174232891
Away, hopefully
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Here's something I appreciated, the fact that your confidants figure out you're a Phantom Thief rather then being left in the dark about all the crazy shit you do in 3 and 4 (though obviously 3 and 4s MC did have their reasons).

It especially stuck out if you romance a non-team member girl, it always felt jarring who disconnected your external romances were in 3/4, you'd think if you were going to confide in anyone your girlfriend should be a contender.
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Is there like a "Confidant Tier List"?
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>>174232995
kawakami is s tier the rest are w/e
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>>174229776
He was so much better than the annoying shota from 4. In fact i can't recall any slink in 5 that was bad, unlike in 4 or 3
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>>174232995
They're all pretty good except for Ohya. All of them have some useful shit, especially Kawakami in particular because you can free up your nights after dungeons.
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>>174232891
Back to bed, they only come out at night.
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>>174231623
wait so is there only 5 palaces?
i'm almost done with the third but im like 20 hours in
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>>174232995
Fortune saves so much time if you know how to make money.
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>>174232891
apparently the filthy fujos are Murrican
and rest of the world doesn't give a shit about him
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>>174231895
The ones she mentions in her links, it fits.
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What is the best armor in the game?
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>>174232990
I really liked hifumi but her christmas eve / valentines event were shit. I mean christmas eve is really awkward with all girls since you make them worry about you but her valentines was really bad.
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>>174232995
The most useful to gameplay are Chihaya, Attendants > Kawakami, Yoshida, (maybe Shinya?) > party members
Actual strength all of them are decent to good apart from Ohya and Mishima and having to go to Mementos for like 2/3rds of them
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>>174232995
Strength is definitely the best. Temperance, Death, Star, Moon and Sun are very good. Hanged Man and Tower are eh. Devil is bad.
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>>174232990
The writing and characters in general are a big step up on average

>shinya is the only one who you can convince you're not actually part of the PT
>oya and yoshida figure it out almost immediately but don't lead on because they're already on your side
>everyone else figures it out when you solve their request because of course they would

>>174233106
Anon just get out of the thread while you can wow
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>>174233106
There's 8 in total. The last 3 feel closer together though and there's alot of shit happening.
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>mfw okumura on hard mode
This isn't very fun.
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>>174232906
>Will probably go for the platinum trophy after I've had some time to digest the ending. That Futaba trophy seems like cancer though.

I was lucky enough to pick that up somehow in my first run without even thinking about it, so now I feel like I'm karmically obligated to platinum this one.

>'s just how it's delivered. The entire cast just constantly parrots over and over again how shitty adults are and how much they hate them. I know their high school students but they sometimes they just feel needlessly edgy for the sake of driving home a point.

This reminded me of something, I had no problem being the largely silent muscle in P3 and P4, it even felt right in a lot of ways. But in this one there were a lot (well, a fair few) times when I really wish I had the option of speaking out against what my party was saying.

The "ALL ADULTS ARE SCUM" was a big one, especially when A) you've got some good adults on your side and B) you've gone into mementos to deal with some equally crappy teenagers, but I really wanted the chance in the mid game to speak up when everyone was obsessing over the Phantom Thieves popularity; we're here to save people, not be popular!

And while Akechi was pretty obviously evil from early on, it would have been nice to have the chance to argue to Ryuji and co that just because he disagreed with our methods when we first met, he's not automatically a bad person. Before we know in game about his murder hobby of course.

Still, these were minor points.
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>>174233226
i mean i was already told goro is a traitor but i was so fucking done with none of them realising he heard mona say pancakes so somehow that cancelled out any dissapointment for me
also i'm taking a break because i forgot to revisit a save room and lost 25 mins of progress
>>174233227
alright sweet - thanks
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>>174233243
Abuse baton pass, my man. Ann and Morgana are especially useful during this one. You can even abuse your elemental item attacks to hand over a baton pass to clear shit up even faster.
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>>174232990
to be fair Potter was pretty shitty at hiding that
in P3 and P4 no one even knew you were doing anything and the entire ordeal had basically no consequences in real world, both groups were silently doing their own thing not expecting praise for their work. Except for Junpei.
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>>174232880
>babbiebabbiebabbiebabbie
>better
>sentient gobots lmao
>better
Ok, whatever you say, p3 babbie
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>>174232801
Nah I know they're two different things
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>>174233324
I actually almost won, but as soon as I got the final mob low enough it used Big Bang Challenge twice in a row and I just couldn't prep. It was a choice between heal up and die, or defend and die.
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>>174233312
I'm pretty sure the Goro thing isn't even supposed to be a twist since despite smiling the whole time he's outright antagonistic to the PT

>>174233387
Aigis makes more sense than Morgana so if that's your big problem with P3 then they're right about P3 being better.
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>>174233184
I dunno, I liked her events. It was a little awkward and stilted, but that honestly seemed like the kind of girl she was. And in English at least I appreciated the little catch in her voice when she talks about you leaving.

Having said that, I've made a point of not seeing any of the other girls Christmas/Valentines events so I have a few surprises for future playthroughs, so if they really blow her away I'll understand.
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>>174232906
>>174233293

Personally the harping about adults at first got annoying. But I guess the reason for it made sense to me close to the end since the game basically says it is the adults who currently shape the world (except of course, for the Phantom Thieves) while the kids will be the coming generation who will have to deal with the consequences of the adult's actions. It's pretty fitting given the story.

Either way, it was definitely ham-fisted at times.
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Why Nijima's palace is so fcking short?? literally i had no fun with this part of the game. I wanna go back to the first three palaces plz.
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>americans unironically complaining when a game from another culture isn't meant to target them specifically
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Why is Hifumi dress so ugly
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>>174233470
Aigis is literally the worst thing in p3, aside from horrific slinks. But keep munching on that metallic slit
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>>174233554
Don't worry. Palace 6 and 7 will overstay their welcome.
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>>174233624
That has nothing to do with what was said.
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when I take shidos heart and sent that calling card to i still get time to rank my links up after that?
I am on 12/4 right now and I only need Haru to rank up as I have her on 7, but she wont me me and wants to sent the card

Is it like normal or did I fuck up and done it too early?
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>>174233624
Is this bait? What does that have to do with anthing?
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So, I'm nearly maxing almost all of my social links but I still don't even have the Tower or Empress link

How close to the end am I?

I just got back from Hawaii
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>>174233576
Who are you quoting, precisely?

I haven't seen anyone do anything of the sort.
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>Alice, Trumpeter, and Yoshitsune broke the game for me

This seems familiar.
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>>174233687
Yes, send the calling card as soon as possible to free up your party members for linking. I made that mistake myself.
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I was surprised how good a dude this guy turned out to be. Him sending you a message about the election results was a nice, logical touch too.
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Why doesn't the fuseable Satanael come with Sinful Bullet?
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>bring guns back
>they are trash

Bravo fatlus
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>>174233795
ah ok thanks. So it stays like normal and wont close the game earlier.
Gotta go for that 10 then.
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So what's the deal with Phil/Igor in relation to P5 now

In P5 real Igor seems to be 100% on the side of humanity rather than being like his old self/phil where he's simply interested in it.

Was it just evening things up with yaldy or is Igor actually picking a side?

>>174233551
They're talking specifically about "rotten adults" not "all adults are rotten"
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>>174233771
I thought Girimehkala was the most game breaking for that section of the game
You could use him for like 20 levels and he'd still be retarded
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>>174233750
You've still got a fair bit of time left.

To be specific, 3 Palaces and a good deal more Mementos
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>>174232995
I consider death rank 6(or 7) most useful for combat. That's when you get the +7 sp per turn accessory. It costs 100k, then 50k if you get to rank 7.

Otherwise, a lot of the non team member confidence give really good bonuses. You should read up on them and decide for yourself.

If you know you plan to have someone like Makoto on your team 24/7, then you should level their confident up too.
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How old is Futaba? Sojiro said something about middle school right?
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>>174233750
Game ends in December.
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>>174225727
Stupid daddy!
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>>174233189
>Chihaya
>useful to gameplay

>temporary
>temporary
>give info I already get from the internet
>only useful if this means skipping whole slink events which I doubt
>give info I already get from the internet

And you need a 100k buy in to start it? Is this really worth it?
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>>174233771
I still struggle to find the personas to fuse those. I get the whole trial and error thing, but my luck in finding the right personas to fuse powerful ones is shit
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>>174233854
they are good with tower s.link and also at least the skills can get 75% bonus damage but still not better than hassou tabi
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>>174233174
Literally the chest right before the final boss. Slightly below 300 defense and a fuckload of HP on top.
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>>174233904
I don't think Igor really had enough airtime to get too into how he felt about the whole thing in this one. Certainly could see him wanting to balance things out/get back at Yaldy though.
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>>174233939
Chihaya's rank 7 bonus is the best in the game that isn't Attendants 10. Allows you to bridge the gap between links ranking up without taking time, also she gives you your 100k back at rank 8.
She makes an all S. Link run pretty easy.
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>>174233925
14 or 15
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>>174233998
Is there not a Persona Itemize armor that's better?
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Without spoiling me, are there alternate endings in P5, like in P4 where you can end without accusing Adachi or even without fighting Izanami

Just curious
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>>174233925
15
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>>174233906
I gained a new love for Girimehkala in particular just because his name was so fucking bad ass. The way Joker calls his name when he summons him is rad as hell.

The fact that he learns REPEL PHYSICAL FOR GOD'S SAKE is ridiculous. You can take that and just pass it down to every persona afterwards.
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I really want to waifu Kawakami on NG+ but I cant just reject Makoto wat do
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>>174234035
>14 yo femals hairy smelly neet

This is my fetish
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>>174233939
I forgot to mention rank 3 is great for stat buffing (like spending 10k total to get +2 from the Sunday juice)
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>>174234080
Yes.
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>>174234080
there's like 2 obvious bad ends
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>>174233939
You get the 100.000 back in the end. Also, best waifu.

Other than that, yep, her effects are useless. Saving grace is that having your fortune read doesn't advance the time.
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>>174234025
Yeah, but that's just for ONE social link, right? There's another twenty odd to worry about, and that's not to mention the ones that seem to update of their own accord anyway. What's described just doesn't seem like that big a deal.
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When should I work in Moon confident? Should I link with my team first?
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>>174234172
17 Social Links that level up through player action rather than story progression. 1 of those is Strength. The other 16 are typical social links.

4 other social links are story-driven.
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Besides stats (which I have maxed already), what are some really good or must do preparations I should do before NG+?

Do you keep the confident rewards for NG+? Do your teammates keep their evolved ultimate Personas?

Will arsene be useful?
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>>174233939
>>only useful if this means skipping whole slink events which I doubt
No, it doesn't, but that's not the point. It doesn't progress time, so whenever a Confidant isn't ready to rank up, you just visit her, pay 5k and get some affinity points. You'll never have to spend time with someone who isn't about to rank up.
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>>174233906
>>174234106

Repel Physical, or even just Null Physical seem even better than usual in this game. By the end game I was making a point of fusing them or using skill cards to have them on pretty much any main battle persona I used.
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Really didn't like how this game expected me to feel bad for Morganna.

From my perspective he was acting like an entitled dork.

He was clearly upset that he wasn't going on the trip with the team and got butthurt and turned it into 'you're not focused enough reee!'

This whole 'I'm useless' thing is bullshit because he's the only one who convinced himself of the fact.

On top of that he lashes out at Ryuji for being a 'pervert' even though he orbits around Ann constantly and complains about not being able to game her.

His whole gimmick was done before by Teddie. Why is it so hard to write a mascot character that isn't a total gimp.

You know why Kuromaru is so cool? Because he's chill and doesn't complain about anything on account of being a dog.

Further proof that cats are inferior.
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>>174233206
>Moon
Oh man, I have to put up with this whiny nerd?

>he's the EXP buff link
God damn it.
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>>174234172
You're filling something that takes time with something that doesn't take time once a day. It allows you to rush other Confidant abilities, without Chihaya doing an all link run is borderline impossible.
Not to mention she allows you to get your social stats quicker for even better calendar min/maxing
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>>174234292
sell all your unused equipment and make persona items.
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>>174234292
Make some weapons since you can only create 1 item per day.

https://rankedboost.com/persona-5/best-weapons-armor/#hero

Also make a strong persona like yoshitsune or satanael with victory cry.
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So when Judgement hits rank 10 you get something called "true judgement" with a bunch of ?????? in the description

What exactly does that mean?
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How old are Sojiro and Futaba mom?
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>>174234169
>her effects are useless
In NG+ maybe. In NG she frees up more time than Sensei.
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>>174234345
It's LITERALLY the Thing's story arc in that Fantastic Four movie.
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>>174234345
Kuromaru wasn't a mascot though, he was a legit party member.
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>>174234419
It's unmissable so it's probably meant to be the truth or some shit.
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>>174234339
>Chimp out with Shiki-Ouji for like 15 levels
>Recruit Girimehkala with Yoshida's ability
>Use him until you can fuse one
>Use fused Girimehkala for like 15 levels
>Use the fact he learns Phys Repel and fuse it onto every relevant persona for the rest of the game
Really dumb, Phys Repel is far too strong
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>>174234374
He reminds me way to much of the one character from Durarara.

Which is not necessarily a good thing.
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The fucking sexual implications from Tae, jesus christ. Is her shit worth leveling?
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Anyone have a max all confident guide for a playthrough?
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>>174234452
>Kuromaru wasn't a mascot though, he was a legit party member.
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>>174234521
it's on gamefaqs friend
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>like haru the most
>haru and harufags get bullied
>suddenly harufags act up shitting on everyone and behave like chiefags

Why can't everyone just let her be.
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>>174234519
Yes, just for accessories.
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>>174234392
>victory cry
>before ng+
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>>174234490
Repel -anything- has always been highly exploitable.

Repel Bless lets you repel Divine Judgement back at the boss.
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>>174234580
speaking of Kuromaru, how old was he in Persona 3, that dog is dead now right?
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>>174234519
>cheap meds and HP/SP regen equipment
Yes, her shit's worth leveling.
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>>174234653
I actually saw this happen earlier when fighting the faggot angels.
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How will I use all my high level Personas in NG+?

Is it through the Twin's max confident ability? I thought confident abilities do not carry over.
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>>174233551
Plus, it's a cultural thing. Japan is huge on respecting your elders and your seniors. And P5 goes out and said that many of those seniors are full of shit and you should fight back when needed. In the west this can be kinda obvious, especially in a work for teens, but in Japan it's a bit more audacious.
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>>174234629
Oh fuck, I didn't realize that satanael was the only one who gets that shit. I guess he could make all the personas for satanael then.
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best way to get the exclusive skills from network fusion? can you get it from any persona?
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>>174234345
Morgana ends up fine after he rejoins, that part could have been handled better but overall he's fine.
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>>174234770
Every rank 10 confidant gives you an item that unlocks their shit. Your compendium stays so you can resummon whatever you want and you also keep your money so you can afford it.
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>>174234339
Repel Physical made Goro's second form a fucking meme because the idiot ended up killing himself.

Thank you based Arahabaki
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>>174234712
It's actually why I mentioned it. It struck me as really weird that A) those angels weren't immune to Bless and B) that bosses aren't immune to Divine Judgement anyways.
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>>174234668
Well, he was in Persona 4 Arena.
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>>174234668
He's still alive in P4AU, I assume that being a Persona user gives him a longer lifespan.
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>>174234427
Probably mid 40s
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Why don't people acknowledge how hot the mc is?
I mean he's clearly hotter than yusuke but people call yusuke hot and not the mc.
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>>174234679
>her arcana is death
What the fuck? P3 had some ghost fag, P4 had a cool granny, but why is she Death? Thought she'd be high priestess or some shit.
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>>174234872
>first Max Confidant was Tae
Hello Day One Matador
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>>174234816
Satanael can only be made in NG+. You could craft all the Personas for when you NG+ but the amount of money you'd need to craft a level 99 Persona when you're only level 5 would be absurd. Several million yen at least.
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Is there no way of getting lots of money outside of abusing confusion on mementos bosses?

Holding up demons for cash hasn't been profitable since I ranked Sun up to past 7. Palace 3 I was able to get 10k-20k but at lategame I'd be lucky to get 5k.
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>>174234963
I thought she'd be the Devil before playing the game, but that went to someone infinitely shitter who can't hold a candle to based Tanaka or the naughty nurse
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What's the earliest I can max out Ann?
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>>174235014
Honestly I found hold ups for money to be a bit of a crapshoot, I just all outed and killed them. Sure I didn't get huge amounts of money, but I didn't get shit amounts either. Ended up finshing the Bank with about 60-70k from start to finish.
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>>174235087
Midway during the Kaneshiro arc, assuming you devote all of your free time to Ann.
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Anyone have an OP fusion flowchart like that one I've seen for Yoshitsune floating around? Preferably an Auto-Mat Alice because buffs.
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Why did they make Joker less smug?
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>>174235205
They made his all out cut in a bit more handsome from the looks of it. They probably just wanted to make him look cooler rather than villainous.
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>>174235168
King Frost + Vasuki -> Belial
Belial + Nebiros -> Alice

https://chinhodado.github.io/persona5_calculator/#/persona/Alice
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>>174235205
What the fuck is wrong with him middle right, that looks like half his head's been speed smeared.
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>>174235152
Why not earlier? What's stopping me?
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>>174235205
His smugness previously reached fatal lecels
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>beat the lolis
>they become obedient
Good. Now let me pat their heads.
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>>174235387
Plot days where the game forces you to sit through events.
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>>174234212
I'd say work on it as soons as you can because it gives xp bonuses.
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Is there a point for a Persona that already reflects attacks to learn Counter or Counterstrike?
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>>174235437
How early can you fight them? I know it's in NG+ but is it like as soon as you first enter Mentos?
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>>174234345
>He was clearly upset that he wasn't going on the trip with the team and got butthurt and turned it into 'you're not focused enough reee!'
I'm not that far into the game yet, is that true?
Because when IT was going on a trip, leaving Teddie behind he ended up taking more hours at Junes and saving up money to buy his own ticket and followed IT to Port Island.
Why is Morgana such a little shit?
>>174234668
we don't know his exact age but at the end of P3 story mode in Ultimax, Ken says Koro is an old dog now. Ultimax was 4 years before P5.
He's most likely dead. P5 Arena will probably be set in 2017, so 5 years. I am not looking forward to SEES' story mode, I don't want to hear that.
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>>174234392
That list is complete garbage. It's full of mistakes and doesn't even list some of the best shit, there is a couple armor sets with higher than 300 defense for example
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what do i name my group
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>>174235014
How does confusion on mementos bosses for money work?
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>>174235532
Nope unless you're going to fuse them into a Persona who won't be Null/Repel/Absorb to Phys.
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>>174235543
Yes. Caroline just stands there and is a cocky piece of shit.
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>>174235598
>the second skill Rangda learns is Counterstrike
>she starts with Rpl Physical and Rpl Gun
well done Atlus
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While P5 is a better game overall I think P3 still has the strongest theme.

I think being forced to deal with something everyone will have to go through is a lot stronger while P5's themes of rebellion feel so easy to ignore and I think there's a little bit of hypocrisy in the whole "believe in the phantom thieves to beat up the god that you believed in because you wished to be enslaved" thing.

I don't think it makes P5 a worse game but I think there's a lot more that could have been explored in the narrative.
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>>174225132
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>>174225176
According to smt wiki brave blade costs 3% more hp although I guess you'd be able to see that for yourself.
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>>174225132
kek
do his S.Link, fuckboy
that shit doesn't grow on trees, you know
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>>174226246
OR just the smt demon models that we have. The only work they have to do is make and render the unique personas of the party.
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>>174235437
>can't headpat Justine to make Caroline frustrated until she gets fussy and demands Joker give her equal affection and she climbs in his lap and acts clingy

>>174235701
YIP YIP YAP
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>>174235682
Everyone has to deal with the expectations society puts on you as well though, which is what P5 is really about. P3 is more about the inevitability of death that is going to happen regardless of what you do or how you live, while P5 is all about the struggle of being accepted and living up to what society deems normal.
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For the people saying Fortune's Luck readings are useless, consider this:
Let's make a simplified scenario, ignoring stat gains in school and such.
>all social stats at exactly rank 4
>132 more points to max them
>always hit 3 points for every available timeslot
>still would take 44 days/evenings.
>reading reportedly boosts by 50% but let's just say it gives 4 instead of 3 points
>now you'll only need 33 timeslots
11 more days/evenings to do Confidants or Mementos, even if you start late with abusing readings is pretty big. That's the same amount of time as getting Sensei to massage you after 5 full Palaces. If you could that from day 1 it would save you half a month of stat boosting.
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How easy is it to max out all links without using guide?
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>>174235437
Too far, pervert
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are there any new boss fights or encounters on ng+
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>>174225176
Sword Dance has slightly higher base damage and Brave Blade a slightly higher crit chance if I remember right.

Those descriptions are a very poor representation of skills, something doing "severe" damage doesn't mean it deals anywhere close to the same amount as another skill that's also "severe". Pretty good example is something like Megidolaon vs Morning Star, which does a solid 30% more damage.
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>>174235991
Only twins.
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>>174225176
Pretty sure Sword Dance does less damage than Brave Blade. Despite them both saying they do the same. Sword Dance costs less than Brave Blade, after all.
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>>174235850
>Everyone has to deal with the expectations society puts on you as well though, which is what P5 is really about

Wow, so P5 is so bad it had to copy P4.
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I fucking LOVE how competent Makoto is during hide out meetings. I always get so annoyed in games when I can see the plot twist, but all the npcs still spend 10 minutes before they get to the point. Yet Makoto is always the one that just says, "Oh I get it..." then tells all the other idiots exactly what's going on.

Futaba is like this too.
It's pretty awesome. Best girl indeed.

>>174235870
First playthrough? Relatively hard, because you could be wasting an entire hang out time if you missed just one dialogue. That plus the time needed to max stats the first time along with not knowing what the stats requirements for different links. You probably won't be able to max them all.

However, you can totally do it immersively the first time around and not worry about maxing ALL of them though.
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>>174236089
I just want to have Lucifer my first play through. Who do I need to max out by then?
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>>174236079
But P4 was about finding the truth.

Unlike P4, P5 makes it really clear and easy to get to the true ending. P4, not so much.
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Is NG+ any harder than NG?
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>>174235850
Most of the characters were outside of accepted society or fine anyway. I don't know

Like Yoshida was an outcast right? But he hadn't given up and was still doing his speeches.

Futaba was removed from society, she might have been fine eventually, who knows.

Makoto I don't know if she had real problems, I get she was rebelling and had some growth and ended up a better person if she hadn't joined the PT but she'd be fine if nothing changed.
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>>174236181
>But P4 was about finding the truth.
Could've fooled me.
More than half of it was about accepting yourself.
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>>174236089
That made her detective work in the earlier chapters all the more stupid though. There are whole days in the game where she spends every free minute within ten paces of you, there are less conspicuous rodeo clowns.
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>>174235870
It's more lenient than the other games but I wouldn't worry about it too much on the first playthrough. You carry over your social stats into NG+ and since you have to do a second playthrough for the secret boss and exclusive fusion anyway there isn't much reason to stress out over it the first time through, you will have shitloads of time to do everything when you revisit the game.
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>>174236208
It's easier because you keep some of your stuff from NG. You can choose higher difficulty though.
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is Kimi No Tonari the best Persona credits song?
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>>174236297
>Kimi no Tonari
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>>174236159
https://chinhodado.github.io/persona5_calculator/#/persona/Lucifer

So you'll need to max out Star (Lucifer), Judgement (Satan) and Justice (Metatron).

You'll probably need Strength rank 10 as well to get the ability to fuse higher level Personas, since these are level ~90 Personas.

And probably a million yen too.
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>>174236208
No, it's easier no matter what you do since you keep a lot of the endgame perks and your equipment.
You can play on Merciless to try and balance it out a bit but you will still have to set quite a few self imposed rules for it to not be a cakewalk.
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From what I hear you can use higher level persona in NG+ if you maxed the relevant Confidant in your first playthrough, but can you fuse them as well?
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>>174227263
It's your fault for getting ambushed and not having Homunculus.
The only time I can say it's not your fault is a one-shot crit which should only happen on merciless. Even then you can at least get Shiki-Ouji by lvl20 to stop a lot of potential crits.
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>>174236265
I mean.. she was still the only person who figured out who you are just from evidence.

As far as spending time 10 paces from you, that's clearly a gameplay choice/fun gag. I'd imagine realistically, she was following you from quite a distance away. The game brought her closer so the player can actually see it. Otherwise, nobody would pick up on it until NG+ or something.
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>>174236264
so accepting the truth about yourself instead of lies you've made up?
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>>174236265
That's when she's still completely inexperienced in doing anything outside of her little bubble and to be fair she still does a better job of figuring you out than most people do.
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>>174236264
I would argue that's the same thing and that personal growth is just finding the truth within yourself.

>>174236297
Kimi no Kioku and Hoshi to Bokura to are the best
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In the story, is there ever a point where MC or your group start to completely outsmart the enemies? I know you overcome them, obviously, but I want some sort of satisfying "AHA! I set a trap for your trap!" type of crazy maneuver if possible.

I'm a few weeks after Okumana's palace, and it's getting pretty old being played right into the bad guy's traps all day.
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>>174236416
Whatever, who cares about that shitty game anyway.
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>>174236264
P4's themes are more centered on the individual, it's less so about what society thinks and more just about accepting who you are. Those are only very minor themes in P5.
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>>174236356
Fusing higher level personas is level 10 Strength ability. I'm pretty sure you don't need anything to use higher level personas.
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>>174236494
Yes.
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>>174236494
Oh, it's coming.

As long as you get the True Ending.
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>>174236530
Wait, you keep confident abilities in NG+?

Is it the same for your teacher's rank 10 and the Sun's abilities etc?
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>>174236494

Anon I swear to god leave the thread right now or you're going to ruin one of the best moments in the game
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Fuck the bomb shelter in Persona 2 and fuck hula of misfortune
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>>174236338
Thanks a ton. My main goal (since this is my first Persona)

>I wanna date Ann ASAP
>max out that cutie in the church
>max out my main team Ann/Makoto/??? to get final forms
>get Lucifer

How hard would that be? I will follow the guide next playthougth for all max. I just want to play my own way at first. Yknow?

Also I had the end spoiled so I know Justice and Judgement level up via story. Is it possible to make a mistake and not max them out?
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>>174236494
Why would you even ask that? It's like you are begging people to spoil the game for you.
What do you think Joker letting himself get captured after the Casino is all about?
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>>174235168
Here's what I did for my Alice. It's obviously not the best but I still hit pretty fucking hard with her.

1. Fuse up Kohryu, level him up to learn spell master, and then fuse him with something like Girimehkala or Lilith to make Cybele.

2. From there, carry over spell master and repel physical or something, it doesn't matter, just make sure spell master is carried over. Level Cybele up so she can learn Absorb Bless, that way, you can get rid of Alice's weakness.

You can use Cybele as a fusion ingredient for either Nebiros or Belial. You can even carry over Nebiros' Curse Amp and Eigaon to Alice's skillset to have another attack skill besides Megidolaon. As for how I got Curse Boost...I don't remember. Die for Me didn't even come in that handy, I just had it in there for style.

It's ultimately up to you how fucking OP you want to make her. I'm sure there's crazier shit you can do with her compared to what I did.
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>>174236494
Leave now for your own good
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>>174236356
I have the cell key but evidently i can't go fusing shit above my reset level so i'm just pulling from the compedium out of defiance.
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>>174236610
Just play the game Anon, you're not supposed to minmax your first run.
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JJ I love you
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>>174236639
I really wanted to use Alice but I found mg damage in general was vastly inferior to phys, even without Hassou Tobi
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>>174236573
Yes, you keep some of them if you leveled them to 10 and talked to them before leaving.
I think you keep all of the Sun's abilities but teacher only gives you "special massage".
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>>174236610
Lucifer is going to be the only tricky part, and thats just because its going to be a real pain to fuse even with the Strength Arcana final bonus.
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>>174236573
Not necessarily all of them. Every Rank 10 confidant gives you a key item that carries over into NG+ that gives you a couple special perks, for example Tae's is that you can instantly buy everything from her clinic, Hifumi's lets you make use of the Escape skills she teaches you, Yoshida's actually lets you do everything his entire social link gives you, Ryuji lets him do the status ailment fan recovery skill whenever, etc.
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>>174224120
>Mfw I just realized that if they ever make Project X Zone 3 this will absolutely fucking happen
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>>174236610
>Is it possible to make a mistake and not max them out?

If you get one of the bad endings, then yes. A true ending run will have them max out. Albeit pretty late into the game.

The biggest problem you're going to have is finding the money to craft all of this. You'll easily need over 1+ million yen for the Lucifer fusion alone. Plus plenty more for all the Strength fusions to get to rank 10.
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Isn't "reaching out to the truth" the theme of every Persona?

You'd think with the 50 spin offs and revisions they'd make P4 a little more coherent.
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Question, does the dialogue change any when the twins are told to execute you if you haven't completed their link?

On a similar note, does Sojiro do anything different in the end game if you have completed his?
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>>174224120
wait I thought Yakuza was a Persona spin-off
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>>174236858
>P3: You gonna die

>P4: Find the truth

>P5: Don't let The Man get you down

Its pretty easy anon
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>>174236858
TRUTH is an important part of JUSTICE
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>>174235850
P3 is about the Iraq war though
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>>174236659
Yeah I figure I'll follow the guide to get Death to Rank 5 so I can grab the SP items. I just feel like following the guide isn't as fun.
>>174236764
I figured Lucifer would be a grind but I love grinding. So I'm not worried about time, I just don't want to not max a confident I need for Lucifer and miss out. So Star I was gonna max out because she's cute as fuck, but can I fuck up on Goro and Sae and not max them out?
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There has to be a better way to fight Anubis than "equip null light/dark persona and hit rush" or "pray an ailment hits and sticks"
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>>174236858
Persona 3 was about mortality.
Persona 4 was about truth.
Persona 5 was about perspective.
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>>174236957
But one of the central pieces in P5 is the whole convergence of the plot during Joker's interrogation where you need to find the truth for yourself.

>>174237026
Please no
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>>174236736
Anyone notice how fucking broken Abysmal Surge, Ailment Boost and Despair Boost was for trash clears?

Who needs Die For Me! when you can inflict severe depression on your foes instead?
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>>174237026
I thought it was about 9/11
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>>174237035
lucky punch
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>mfw harus presentation

Is she autistic as well?
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>>174237035
hassou tobi
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>>174237035
I hate that canine cunt so much goddamn
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>>174237085
Japanese people are autistic by default
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>>174237085
the entire cast is on the spectrum
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>>174237043
The themes of Persona 5 are clearly an allegory for the atomic bomb.
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Who were your MVP personas?

Shiki Ouji, Siegfried and Black Frost were my standout members.

I'm actually considering trying what I did in P4G for my new game+; getting a decent persona on the second Palace or so and using it exclusively for the rest of the game, buffing it with Gallows fusions and Skill Cards as often as possible. It worked out pretty well in Golden, but shuffle time was very generous in that, not sure its as viable here.
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>>174237035
Bless/Curse resistance Personas work too.

Not to mention the single-target debuffs have high success chances without any of the boost abilities.

>>174237098
Black Viper
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>>174237035
I got lucky and snagged an Envy Whip for Ann pretty early, practically anyone she attacks gets Despair.
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>>174236807
I'm okay with grinding for money, and I know how to get the true end since it was spoiled so I guess they will be maxed out. The guide has Ann maxed out in August but you can talk to her in May? Is there something I'm missing to max her out sooner? Also lastly, thanks for all the help to everyone answering my questions. Who are the worst links I can avoid my first run? Tower, Hanged Man and Devil seem kinda useless maxed?
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>>174237029
>but can I fuck up on Goro and Sae and not max them out?

I don't think so, so long as you don't take the obvious BAD END choice when it comes up.
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>>174237208
Girimehkala and Trumpeter
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>>174233419
Or use your party to debuff the enemy and buff/heal the MC while he defends, then have him use a revive on the next party member who revives the next and hey you have your whole team alive again.
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>>174237208
leanan sidhe always carries me through early-mid game

don't know why but she's always balls deep in the clutch, literally saved my life a million times in strange journey in particular
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>>174237219
Tower is ok. I think the biggest use comes with the upgraded Down Shot so that you can reliably Hold Up personas that don't have any weaknesses so that you can negotiate with them. Not to mention a lot of good Personas come from Tower.

Hanged Man and Devil are only good for bonus EXP for fusions and the Proficiency/Charm you get from ranking up with each respectively.
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>>174237334
Her, Matador and Shiisaa carried me through much of the first half.
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I don't need to max all confident for true ending right?
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>>174237459
Nah.
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>>174236338
Don't you need max moon link to get Metatron fused?
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>>174237459
Yah
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do the key items give me max bonus exp for fusing in NG+ or should I do all of my fusing before NG+
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>>174237509
Do it before NG+.
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>Futaba's dungeon

I don't even give a fuck about your comedy relief scene and groovy tunes, game.
I'm going to save the fuck out of her, and then give her the life she never thought she deserved.
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http://p5jouhoukyoku.jp/blog-entry-818.html
Nips discussing Futaba being playable in P5 Arena
>Is there a tentacle there?
kek
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>>174237219
Devil is considered the weakest mechanically and story wise. The latter is subjective (but I agree with it) but the former is pretty much true.

No one else really springs to mind as being that bad though, they all have something handy.
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>>174237505
>>174237472
uh..
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>3 guards surrounding me
>They're all walking back and forth for the same 5 cm distance
>Nowhere else to jump to to get away from them
>I know the second I Ambush any of them and win the other two will respawn, immediately see me, jump me and get an attack advantage, probably killing me and getting rid of all the progress I've made

For a game that introduced this new stealth system, it sure is fucking useless for actually stealthing.
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>>174237575
I like that even the nips are complaining about p4u 2.0 never coming out on console
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>>174237492
>>174236159
>>174236338

You're right, you'll need max Moon for Sandalphon for the Metatron fusion.
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>>174237389
>Shiisaa

Shiisaa is always a blue chip choice now that I think on it, it was the early game star in 3 and 4 as well.
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>>174237575
Hahahhaahhaah get it because japanese people like tentacle rape

HHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAA
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>>174237634
I'm pretty sure they have a set distance until they respawn to prevent such bullshit. It's not foolproof by any means but it helps.
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>>174237634
The way enemies respawn seems variable to me. There's been times that happened and other times in the exact scenario you describe I'll go for the ambush and the others will be gone when the battle ends.
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>>174237702
I'm just hanging in there until I get my own regular blue chipper. Was worried about Gun element but apparently she repels that too.
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>>174237684
So, to verify all I need is Star, Moon, Justice and Judgment for Lucifer?

2 of them are maxed with true end correct? Also, out of curiosity for NG+ does Tae's items carry over? I'm on 4/20 and I'm out of SP for the Palace. I tried to get through in 1 day but I don't have enough SP to get through the tower.
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>>174237334
>>174237389
Shiisa and Leanan Sidhe were big for me in p5

High Pixie was good too, so was Pisaca
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>>174237705
anon, I'm sure people got overexiceted about the tentacle scene here too, mainly because I was one of them, it has nothing to do with them being Japanese. It's just funny how people jump on it.
calm your autism before you hurt someone with it
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>>174236639
can't you just have a persona with spell master used to strengthen alice and it will inherit randomly?
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>>174237719
>>174237786
Now that you mention it, I actually DO remember a few times where they didn't respawn right away. Is it dependent on dungeon, I wonder?

I got out of the situation I was greentexting in, but they DID respawn right away and they didn't see me through some miracle of god/because I held down R2 like my life depended on it.
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>>174237873
Chill bro, lmao.
I was just laughing at your joke, bro, no need to get all defensive.
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>>174237840
Rangda and Girimehkala are about the same level unfortunately and she's completely outclassed
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTIBbvTxMhA

Best aria of soul
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>>174237572
How are you going to bring the dead back to life?
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>>174237846
Justice and Judgement will hit Rank 10 automatically as the story progresses, yes.
All equipment carries over, so you will have your endgame weapons and SP Adhesives available from the start in NG+.
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>>174224639
They're demons in P1 and P2. Shadows showed up because of Nyx and Phil being weak. Right now the only real demons are Phil and Narly
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>>174238023
The Battle for Everyone's Souls is the best aria of soul
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So was anyone else a big enough sucker to believe, just for a moment, that fake Igor was going to be Nyarly?
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>>174238051
One more question. If I don't max my stats, how hard will it be to max Link with all playable teammates? For example I know you need max stats for Hangman and all 4s for Devil. But are there stat walls for my teammates or are most of them easy.
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>>174237986
How so? Seems like a matter of preference to me at least, and a matter of Magic vs Phys at most.
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>>174238029
B-by saving Futaba before she An Heroes?
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>>174238164
they're both good in their own ways friends
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Playing P3 for the first time. Any tips?
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>>174225151
I feel like my anger for FeMC has created it's only little place in the collective unconscious
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>>174238183
Theres a few pretty high stat walls, especially with Makoto and Haru
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>>174238201
but the piano in the P2 version had more passion put into it
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>>174238183
Personally I got 13/17 optional social links completed and had 5 in all stats by the 6th palace.

Overall P5 seems way more nice than it might appear at first glance. There's several social links that have stat requirements to begin with or to continue halfway through.

Like Futaba needs 4 to start and complete. Makato you can start with 3 Knowledge but need 5 Charm to finish.

Just don't expect to be able to start and complete every social link when they appear.
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>>174238305
>>174238305
>>174238305

New awakening
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>>174238198
Girimehkala learns Rage on top of his Phys Repel which is great for Mementos shit. Phys is generally better than Magic in the game in my opinon. He also learns Phys Repel and Rangda doesn't for later fusion.
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>>174234960
They basically do.

Think about how easy it is for you to get all these girls to interact with you for no real reason. It really stood out with Hifumi, for example, where she basically accepted to help you for "no reason". You would not be as easily accepted if you weren't good looking, I imagine.

Most girls will only comment on the looks of someone they don't have feelings for. If they have any sort of crush, they won't say to your face how good you look.
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>>174238179
Nah, they already established Everyone's God before then so it was pretty obviously him.
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>>174238257
Which version?
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>>174238280
That it? Doesn't seem so hard.
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what date can you use the dark net?
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>>174236264
The game was as subtle as a brick to the head with that message
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I just couldn't help but notice all the Fujoshi bait sprinkled throughout the game and now I will never see Joker or Akechi as hetero again.

Help me.
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>>174238745
You are beyond help. The only available option is to give in.
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>>174238745
Maybe they should put a girl with fucking boobs in the game for once.
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>>174233939
Tnot at all, only ouya is more worthless
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>>174238745
joker's super straight though
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>>174238745
what fujobait?
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>>174237085
The entire human race is
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>>174228236
>Anne thinks you're a dick
Sounds like hell desu
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>>174229109
Because he only has a few emotions during that scene so they didn't have to draw a bunch
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>>174233904
>When Igor does his usual intro
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>>174229171
Haru followed by Anne. Nice people usually make the best moms.
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>>174230462
Your relationship is secret.
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>>174230750
She's crazy, Anon. She says she wants Kamoshida to suffer a fate worse than death, and she screams about running people over in the Morgana car.
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>>174234419
It just means you acquired the plot ability that lets you avoid a bad ending.

>>174234458
It's not unmissable, you don't get it in the bad ending.
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>>174235591
>[Boss] is confused
>[Boss] threw 15.000 Yen away
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>>174224012
Futaba's pyramid.

Yusuke's art gallery was cool too.
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