/rlg/ - Roguelike general

>>174157387

Rotten, Slashed, Burned, Frozen overall Deceased Rogue: >>173968630

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>>173968630

OpAs of who?

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First for Chei

GAOGAIGAR

>>174157387
>PosChengBand is for autists
>Also Caves of Quck

All roguelikes are for autists.

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>>174157627
If you want to melee with Octopodes, then Dithmenos is by far the best choice.
Dith will easily allow you to tab through most of the game until you manage to find Statue Form. Then you switch for Mak and proceed to tab against everything.
I just prefer starting as a fighter for the shield, it helps a lot during the early game. Of course you can just find one, but then you are at the mercy of rng when you are at your weakest.
Anyways, just worship Dith and proceed to stab everything and anything.
It's rather simple really, with the ridiculous stealth boost and enemy accuracy penalty, you just have to tab and not get surrounded.
I have perfected the melee Octopode formula so if you have any questions just ask

>>174157851
Do you go for 15 runes? Why shields?

>>174157851
Also, do you switch to UC, or keep on stabbing? Dagger or rapier/quick blade?

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>>174157910
>Do you go for 15 runes?
Yes. However, by that point I also spam Tornado and other spells to easily clear whatever extended trash there is. Tornado kinda trivializes about everything.
Because 'podes have average aptitudes in almost everything but stealth, raising skills is pretty easy, especially when you only need about 10-12 shortblades, ~10-15 Shield, high stealth but you have +4, ~10 Fighting, 12~ Dodging rest goes into spells.
You'll remain mostly melee/stabber until you find Statue Form, then you train Spellcasting/Transmutation/Earth to get it castable.
Be sure to learn Repel/Deflect Missiles. Regeneration is nice too.
Once you get SF castable, I recommend switching to Mak, as hp on kills is amazing and will let you easily complete ziggs and 15 runes. Dith's wrath is doable, the only dangerous part is Tzitzimitls (shadow fiends), so be sure to kill those fast by punching them in SF or just teleporting away.

After the basics, start dumping everything into Air magic if you find Tornado, or into Evocations for Disc of Storms.
This is to prepare you for Ziggurats if you want to find amazing rings to complete your collection. Fo ziggs you also want Necromutation, however just Mak and Tornado with SF is enough to clear the first zigg, hopefully you'll find the necronomicon there if you haven't found it before.

>Why shields?
Because Octopodes have trash defenses until Statue Form and just EV doesn't cut it, the shield adds another layer of defense which helps a lot during most of the game.
Between the shield and the Dith accuracy penalty you'll only take a few hits from the few enemies that avoid your stabs of doom, provided you don't let yourself get surrounded of course.


>>174158515
Depends on what you find. Any shortblade of venom/draining is a great find and will support you through most of 3 runes.
After you get SF castable, you can train UC and switch to unarmed combat when stealth fails if you wish.

>>174157387
The only roguelike I have played so far is DOOM roguelike, which i discovered in this thread and made me fall in love with this genre.

What is the next step? Im reading through the pastebin trying to decide on the next game to play.

>>174162218
Adom, DCSS and Caves of Quck are generally the entry level ones

>>174162272
I just downloaded infraarcana, gonna check it out and then check these you suggested.

>>174157627
Dith/oka/gozag

I didn't notice the old thread was dead so I'm attention whoring/crossposting/shitposting here too
>>174155224
That's a lie, I've 15 runed with Sif before and I suck
>>174156561
Go Sif so she'll give you Singulo
Worked for me

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>there are actually goyims here who don't worship the one, true God until you forsake him during late/extended after you jewed him as much as you could
thanks mr gozag

>>174143814
I've had it drop in about 2 of my 12ish endgame scenarios, both by Sauron. I'm sure someone with more knowledge than me can pull the percentage out of their butts, but it's probably 1/6 or something chance to drop from him.

And if you really like to scum, Smeagol drops it 1/666 of the time!

>>174143814
rather than rings of power being more common than vanilla angband, it's just that PCB characters spend 10x as much time grindan' so they're more likely to see one

hell it's relatively common for highish xp-modifier races like HE to win before hitting level 50, and their 190% is LOWER than most of the popular PCB races

>>174165953
How much bullshit happens on a 666 chance in pcb?

>>174166291
if you roll 666 on a 1d888, death ray will instantly kill uniques
there's a 1 in 666 chance for a rune-sword to get *sharpness*
and i think a 1 in 66 chance to get sharpness or slay evil

>>174166487
>rune sword with *sharpness*
What are the odds for mana brand and vamp

>>174166487
>if you roll 666 on a 1d888, death ray will instantly kill uniques

So can you just
keep recall-spamming a death-ray spell using class and shoot the serpent owhen he's in LOS and then tele away
I mean it'd be an exercise in tedium but still

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>>174166627
oh man i don't think i've ever seen a rune sword gain vamp after killing something, that one must be extremely rare

>>174166782
no because deathray still only affects living and J is nonliving

you could do it to oberon but it'd take way longer than just spamming darkness or nether storm which are in the same realm

>>174166808
There's a rune sword with Vampirism in the last thread

>>174167012
rune swords start with vamp
you dink

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>>174167012
Oh yeah? Did it have permacurse as well? that property is about as rare as vamp is.

Is it better for a GrFi or GrGl early game to have lighter armor and let his natural AC make up for it? Or is it better to wear that plate mail and get really high AC but worse accuracy/speed (unless that's not how it works, really new to this game)

Do you only get brands after you kill uniques or can normal monsters give you brands as well?

Because 1/666 seems exceedingly rare, considering there's less than 300 uniques even in PCB-R

>>174167453
do whatever gives you the highest ac+ev combined

new players sometimes fall into the dumb trap of thinking they should either train dodging OR armour and ignore the other one entirely, but because of the way crawl skills increase in cost as they get higher level, it's much more effective to split your xp between two or three defensive skills rather than focusing on one

>>174167390
permacurse is much much much rarer than vamp you dingus

Also, remind me how a runesword works again
Is there a help file I can read about it

I remember it goes something like: If you kill monsters with higher level than the enchantment combined, plus the weapon's dice

So if I were to fight a horde of unmakers which are around level 80, I couldn't get a sword that's higher than 10d10 +30 +30

But brands only work when you kill a unique I think, but does it work against all uniques?

Can I get *sharpness* out of a lucky grip or farmer maggot kill?
Is the brand-acquisition tied to the level of the unique too?

>>174167568
actually it's rarer than that

you kill a unique and it compares 1d150 to the unique's level. if the monster level is higher, it ATTEMPTS to gain a brand
it picks a random brand from the list of possible ones and then it only has a chance to actually gain it (otherwise it gets no brand): the chance is as high as 1/6 for things like acelfico and as low as 1/666 for *sharp*

>>174167773
thank you, and raise STR right? To minimize armor penalties?

>>174167974
So what you're saying is that there's a 1 in 3 chance of getting *sharpness* on a rune sword

>>174167453
AC is way better than EV early game, although gargs already have good innate ac that makes up for it.
You should wear whatever you find that comes with a good enchantment provided it's not a fucking robe or animal skin.
So long as your AC is 20-30 you can easily do D1-15 and Lair, that AC is pretty easy to achieve with gargs.
Also note that you don't need a stupid high EV to actually dodge a lot of shit
Even around 15 will already have you dodge lots of ranged stuff
Once again, try to wear whatever armor you find that comes with a good enchantment, I'd rather use scrolls of enchant armor on gloves,boots,helmet,cloak first.
Ring mail, scale mail, chain mail are all fine.
Plate if it's a really good one. If you find a Crystal Plate there's no point in using it early unless it's highly enchanted.
Note that Dragon armor tends to have a lower EV/casting penalty.
If you want to have amazing gear just worship Gozag.

>>174168018
You don't need much STR unless wearing plate or crystal plate.
If you start as a fighter, the starting STR is more than enough, it's better to spend points in DEX as it has a nice synergy with EV and as I said even ~15-20 EV is already pretty nice

>>174167968
enchantment and dice are considered separately

tohit + todam + 15 is capped at (monster level)
damage dice * damage sides is capped at (monster level) as well

>>174157387
Played some DCSS back when, been playing DoomRL lately, this genre seems interesting but I really can't stomach non-tiles (hopefully for now, maybe I'll grow to like them) - any roguelikes with tiles anyone can recommend? Most of the entry level ones in the bin are non-tiles.

>>174168529
games with tiles are not real roguelikes

Can Weaponsmiths improve runeswords?

>>174168586
Games without them aren't real roguelikes either.
Unless you can name a single non-modal ASCII game.

>>174168870
weaponsmiths should be able to add 1 property to anything that isn't an artifact
they can't smith things that are currently equipped though so you'd have to add what you want BEFORE equipping the permacursed sword

>>174167289
>>174167390
I've never played PCB and am simply masturbating to numbers pls no bully

You know, it's crazy.
But farming unmakers in arena 79 really is a good idea since they're trash and they can't eat through permawalls, so you just get them in a 1x1 corridor and conga them and they give out a shitton of xp and good items too.

Also since they're level 77 they look like perfect targets for rune sword beefing!

>>174170262
Yesss
Yessssss

>>174168992
>>174168586
rekt

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They have 50 AC and 400 HP
Their only ranged offense is breathing chaos for 60 damage (just get Rchaos)
They melee to disenchant, so just get Rdisenchant
These guys are chums

But it might be a problem since they destroy everything they land on so you could only farm artifacts out of them

Oh wait, they do 10d10 damage AND it also has that effect
So they basically can hit up to 400 per turn

Also they're nonliving so you don't get hp out of the vamp brand
Hmmm

>>174171267
and the blows with bonus effects like drain charges/mana/reduce stats aren't reduced by AC

Also they drain food

>>174171593
"drain charges" drains food instead if you are protected from charge draining

>>174171685
Oh that makes sense

Would you look at that, the unmaker is a level 77 breeder. The only other breeder that's over level 40 is the greater wall monster. Again, nonliving.
The only thing you can safely farm is the spawn of ubbo. And that's level 40.

Reminder: If you haven't beaten crawl, you can't say X game is harder, X game is better etc.

If you haven't beaten crawl how are you getting past the captcha?

>>174172617
Has qw beaten crawl yet

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I'm sorry mr. hydra...

>>174168992
Nethack, idiot

>>174172746
In fact, qw recently 15 runed it.

>>174173552
>nethack
>nonmodal
Has statdeath been removed? If not, how are you not dead with that int?

>>174172746
>>174173862
http://crawl.akrasiac.org/rawdata/qw/morgue-qw-20170405-112044.txt

>>174174204
qw's a bot?

Can we create a mumo bot?

Are there any roguelikes with monsters that take up more than one tile?

>>174173862
>>174174204
Was that one of the robot assisted runs or was it a pure bot run

>>174174425
Nethack has long worms, IVAN and POWDER have 2x2 monsters.

FLEEEING

>>174174425
POWDER

>>174174705
Some tentacled monsters in DCSS, with the tentacles being the extra tiles.

>>174175130
Whoopsie, meant for >>174174425

>>174174705
I think it was pure bot. That's what elliptic said in crawl-dev, IIRC.

>>174174425
Incursions dragons and giants take up to 5x5, maybe more, dont quite remember.

is PCB-R okay for a beginner?

>>174175274
>pure bot 15 rune win
Hot fuck, I remember back when N78291 was experimenting with FeBe runs trying to improve the situation awareness of xw
Have you been paying attention to crawl playing lua-robots long enough to remember "FLEEEING!"?
That might have been xw. Where's N7 gone off to anyway?

When will bots start replacing crawldevs?

>>174172746
qw has a 15% winrate as DD, making it better than most crawl players

>>174173552

get this spoilery roguelite out of the premises

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Why didn't you tell me nagas were so overpowered

>>174183038
>89 AC

how

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>>174183597
It's actually 76.
The extra is from Cigotuvi's Embrace which makes it pretty easy to break 100 on Zigs.

>>174158975
>skilling UC and offensive magic
fault
if you go statue UC you skill UC to 27, you don't have enough xp to go "lol just get uc then start learning air magic"

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>>174184396
>you don't have enough xp to go "lol just get uc then start learning air magic"
You don't have to skill UC to 27. Mid 10s is more than enough to clear 3 rune trash that you fail to stab. Also Octo air aptitude is average which means it increases pretty fast, not to mention rings of int, wizardry to help the casting/no armor penalty at all
And fuck, SF with even a fucking dagger will clear 3 rune trash with little to no worry assuming Mak.
Besides, Tornado is far more useful than punching.
And xp is literally free on ziggurats which you're bound to do as an Octopode to get bling, with Tornado demolishing everything there
What I do is just get a bit of UC then start with Air for Tornado since I always do ziggs before Zot/extended


Also I had no idea you could find fucking randarts on D1

>>174184804
that sounds like you're spreading yourself really thin, no wonder you do zigs before zot this is some hyper hybrid shit lad. if you've already got high stealth, sb, and tm just go full uc and oneshot draconians

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>>174185132
Not really, anon.
As I said getting UC to like 15 is very fast on an Octopode. You can just dump everything on Air magic and have Tornado ready for Zot/zigg/extended easily, sometimes even Depth depending on rings.
The reason I save Zot for last is because I can't be bothered to get mutated by the eventual orb of fire you don't stab, sometimes if I have enough cure mut pots I clear Zot besides the last floor and then zigg > extended.
I get that you'd be one shotting draconians with 27 UC but you also destroy them all at once with Tornado. which also has the advantage of letting you basically destroy anything in the game besides uh... Eresh when she uses silence. And the amazing synergy it has with Mak.

>>174183038

Because its early game is beyond terrible. Literally worse than mumo

>>174185807
especially now that you can find retarded shit like moccasin or double ogre on d:3, just straight stupid ood spawns will force consumables that you may not even have identified/available and you can only train stealth and hope you get the chance to walk away else you're fucked

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>>174185807
Just spit poison, anon.
Just go Gozag, anon.
If you start as a fighter the shield helps a lot.
You just have to explore with some care starting from D:3.


>>174186107
Well that would be a death trap for about anyone that's not a Berserker or evoke feet race

>>174186224
>or evoke feet race
So everyone except Naga and Frogs

>>174186702
>So everyone except Naga and Frogs
Well, that would depend on where you saw them
>corner_ogre.gif
>energy_randomization.png
or fucking fast moccasins and killer bee packs on D3

>>174186224

>spit poison

it does jackshit to offset the terrible D:1 AC+EV of a naga

>>174187372
>spit poison
>msises
>misses
>barely hurts the rat

>>174187372
Eh it's only annoying on D3 against the same shit that's annoying to about everyone, orc priests and polearms gnolls, ogres or the ocasional ood shit
If you explore cautiously instead of auto for some of D3,4,5~ until you have enough weapon skill/hp to tab most shit away
I started as naga fighter with axes and just tabbed through most shit, D1&2 is cake
Nagas have average weapon aptitude so it increases pretty fast.
Then you jew away with Gozag and drown in overpowered gear.

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What was the last good dcss version before they started cutting everything fun?

>>174187835
0.19

>>174187906
You're five versions too late

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thank you mr. ufetubus

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I've done it, /rlg/

>>174190002
I thought even elliptic hasnt won everything yet

>>174190507

literally who

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>D:1 +0 Chain Mail of the King (+Invis, +rPois rC+ Stealth+)
>D:2 demonic guardian mutation, kills Sigmund by itself
>D:6 Cloak of Invis +1, Troll Armor (Slay+6) from Gozag
>D:7 +3 ring of slaying
>D:8: Wand of Heal Wounds
>Lair 1 (Labyrinth) +1 Boots (Slay+5), Trog Necklace, Hat of the Alchemist
What is going on
Also being +0 the troll leather armor is pretty crappy despite the regen and +6 slaying, right

>>174190507
No, he's just won every race and every class^Chei
Not every combo

>>174190708
>the hat of winning
Congrats

>>174180135
yeah. Recommended classes for starting out include:
monster race demon balrog
high elf ninja
tonberry blood knight

of course if you want to do something that's not melee centric for flavor/character reasons, go for it, but there are fewer hassles to learning on a bump and kill class

>>174190735
Does he have an alias for all of his accounts? So I can check that.

>>174190708

>Wand of heal wounds

USER OF BLOAT USER OF BLOAT

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>>174187835

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>>174191029
But I love bloat.
My favorites re Bloathleb, Bloatnado and Necrobloatation
I don't think I can ever complete 15 runes without these bloats.

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>>174187835

Playing MfGl^Yred because I'm gay and I hate fun. How much should I put into invocations, and what's the best monster to enslave?

>>174192358
enough to get what you want to cast to 5% failure or less
enslave things that can summon other things
like boggarts

>>174192358
Deep Elf Demonologist
Deep Troll Shaman

>>174192358
> MfGl^Yred because I'm gay and I hate fun
Except Yred is literally the complete fun package until Zot/extended, that is.
Also you better protect your enslaved soul like a baby because even the hell lords have shit for hp and die in seconds

>>174192554
>>174192413
things that summon other things are good, but wouldn't demonologists summon torment capable demons?

>>174192689
>you will never enslave lom le bonbon and proceed to clear all the hells with your glaciating tornadoing self healing best friend
why crawl fampai
why am i even alive

>you enslave the soul
>your enslaved soul dies
>you enslave the soul
>your enslaved soul dies
>you enslave the soul
>your enslaved soul dies
just STAY AT THE FUCKING BACK HOLY SHIT

>>174192945
Except I enslaved Asmodeus and he fucking died before I even left the floor he spawns in
I was actually disgusted.

>>174193074
give them commands then, you brute

>>174193094
doesnt spectral asmodeus kill himself with the fire clouds

>>174192689
I just find the playstyle really boring. I'm just playing him cause it's been a while and I want to get back in with a freebie.

>>174193191
>tell them to retreat
>now my bone dragons are running away
>tell them to fight
>spectral soul dies

Just play yred like you play beogh
>wait
>unique xyz walks into view
>recall shit
>wait
>repeat

>>174193421
yred is legit braindead
the second you get those flying skulls the game is over
doesn't matter what race or class you picked, yred plays the game now

>>174193421

>Just play yred like you play beogh

Correct. Don't play yred.

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>>174191071
This is good

>>174193858
I got a Wight. I feel like Charlie Brown on Halloween. He got one-shot by a komodo dragon, didn't even get a swing off. Thanks I could help bro.

>>174195174
you'll get skullbros soon enough
they'll get you through lair as long as they don't get swarmed too hard
by the time you do orc you'll reach the highest tier of yred friends
skelly dragons are better than profane servitors

How do I deal with orb spiders when I'm trying to take it easy

Stop playing Crawl

>>174196321
They have trash MR
Wands of Paralyze, Acid, Confusion, Slowing
Invisibility, also trivializes literally all of Spider

>>174196321
Oh, also fucking Slouch since they are fast scum
Then again all of Spider explodes with Slouch

>>174196497
>>174196662
Thanks, I guess I forgot to use my abilities because I was having such a mindlessly easy time up until then

I am never playing PCB again this game is fucking autistic dumbass chris

>it breathes x
>you die!

>>174197635
Maybe you should've had x resistance.

>>174197635
git gud

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>>174196354
forgot ur pic

>>174197635
That's how *bands work, yes.

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Happening!

>>174197635
Isn't it beautiful? Enemies are actually a threat!

>>174155446
>>174156331
To get good at ToME is basically to get good at kiting and gear management. Don't take bad fights, if you're melee always exchange attacks with an enemy that's under a big damage debuff (stun) or while you're under a big defensive buff. Use healing, escapes, or status removal when the opponent uses the same thing against you. Actually utilize charms (Psychoportation for example) and be aware of the map (Tracking). Actually pay attention to what elemental resists those random shitty equipment pieces give. If you have no ranged options whatsoever, learn Shoot and have a backup ranged weapon (preferably one with a big slow on hit or other things that can slow the enemy's approach and debuff them for melee fighting). Always have an escape option (preferably two) available for when things go sour, never be in the situation where you're stunned and your cleanse physical is cooling down and you have no way to disengage.

If you play higher difficulties, map awareness (Tracking, Heightened senses, and other equivalents) are a big deal so you don't stumble into something that can destroy you. Some things also scale badly as well, damage shaving (anti-magic shield) becomes worse the stronger your enemies are while damage negation (bone shield) becomes better.

In general, actual DPT checks are very rare in the game, so the harder it becomes the less important it becomes to kill things quickly and the more important it becomes to make sure you will survive no matter what.

>>174197794
>>174198170
>>174198245
I hate you and I'm going to play a Death Sword and grind the bottom of whatever Camelot is called nowadays until I hit 50 with 80000 pips in everything

>>174197794
>>174198170
>>174198245
It is terrible game design and these threads actively hate on TOME4 for doing the same

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>>174198857
>>174198963
git
u
d

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>>174198784
It's over.

>>174198963
Who knew elemental damage would be so dangerous?

>>174199265
Fucking nice work anon.

>>174198963
PCB is worse than a normal *band because of the random bullshit that increases time to grind massively in the name of "balance"
>tele resist
>tele follow
>dispel
>out of control xp multipliers

>>174199376
Well there is a reason why -R is the most popular version now

>>174199265
Is that the first centipede winner? Good work, anon.

>>174199551
Does it remove all of those things?

>>174199551
-R is for people who like their ground soft. Understandable, but for others hitting soft ground takes away some of the fun. And mentioning popularity isn't a good tell of quality, considering most of the smaller alphabet games have a playerbase that doesn't reach triple digits.

>>174199376
You don't even need to grind in PCB, the experience comes by itself. It's killing enough uniques to make the Serpent doable that's the line you absolutely must cross to succeed. There are too many lategame PCB uniques, and they don't show up frequently enough.

>>174157653
The first time I escaped with the orb was with Lady Gaga the naga who worshiped Cheibriados. Best god

>>174199265
WELL DONE LAD

>>174200105
It makes xp multipliers suck less.

>>174199265
omedetou, centipede-kun

Is PCB-R the fork of the guy that wanted to make his own class

>had to do Vaults, Elf, Depths, almost all of Zot, Crypt with 18 AC
Well, I'm pretty sure I can do Slime now

>>174201441
You thought wrong

>>174201094
There's a few added classes, 2 or 3?

https://github.com/floatRand/PoschengbandR

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>>174201441
It is done.

>>174201627
PCB-R is basically cheating

>>174157653
When will chei be top tier again?

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>>174202403
When you get good

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>>174202403
He was always top tier anon.

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>Play Time : 49:32:16

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

>>174203263
You will die to a breath attack on 96, remember this post when you do

>>174202403
>>174202751
remember when he gave resists too?

>>174202751
I'm still mad Gr has no Statue Form synergy.

>>174203398
We don't speak of those dark times.

>>174203493
Gargoyle is literally Statue Form the race without the fucking action penalty to boot

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>>174203263
it takes about 80 hours to finish PCB if you visit every dungeon and clear every floor fully

don't do this, we don't want to lose you

>>174203263
>Tfw still have my android runeknight parked from when I made that shitty guide
>80+ hours of fucking around
>all that time lost because i realized i hated pcb
Sometimes dying isn't the worst thing, anon.

>>174203643
and literally half the HP

>>174190507
comborobin did but that was a robin account

>>174198857
grind dragon's lair:71, you'll get way more ego weapons to eat there

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>Sandworm isn't a massive pain in the ass for once
Holy shit

>>174205332
and literally 50% more speed, access to mutations, haste, armor on top of the statue form ac, gdr, immunities
Gargs are so disgustingly overpowered, you have to beg to die to anything that's not a D3 orc priest or ogre

>>174198963
my complaint with tome4 is that figuring out whether a randelite can oneshot you is way too much work

with pcb you just look at the small monster recall subwindow and you can immediately see "it may breathe nether (466)"

with tome you have to browse through the monster's charsheet, go to the talents page, hover over every single entry in the list with your mouse to see how much damage it does...

>>174205985
Yet they are one of the worst races against hellfire

>>174206071
Balances out because they're real good vs. torment.

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>>174206071
Boots of running, haste, Mak, TSO, cblink, bloatnado, other level 9 bloat

>>174206071
Vs are even worse against that yet they are one of the favorite good player races

being a good race for goodplayers isn't the same as being an easy race
caster classes have trash win rates compared to melee classes yet they're objectively superior to them for people who know what they're doing, since magic is the safest way to kill things and it's also available during the hardest part of the game

>>174207318
you forgot to mention how they're also more fun

>>174207318
If caster is superior why is minotaur's dick bigger than spriggan's.

>>174208407
subjective

>>174208882
A minotaur will never be able to please as well as a spriggan crawling right up

>>174208882
size doesn't matter, it's how you use it
minotaur is big and beefy but flails around all over the place cleaving through everything without thinking
spriggan is skillful and dextrous, and operates like a scalpel for surgical precision

>>174210031
>How many spriggans are needed to screw in a lightbulb? Two, but don't ask how they got in there.

>>174207318
>objectively superior
goodplayers who want ez wins and don't care about having fun or enjoying their time still just pick mibe

especially in the annual crawl tournaments when there's bonus points for the first win and mi don't have a score penalty for being the most-won race yet

>>174210373
This is what small dicks really believe.

How to use Gozag optimally?

>>174212195
step 1 be a troll
step 2 spend all you are money on food
step 3 win anyway because youre a troll

>>174212195

Don't spend anything. Why'd you use gold when you can bring it outside?

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thank you mister xom

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>>174212195
Worship him as soon as possible
Armor has the best chances of actually giving you something useful since it covers 5 fucking body slots.
Always ask for shops
Antique shops have discounted shit but it's also unid
After that, Weapon/Jewelry shops
trade him for Mak after you jew all the op gear you want and the shops start costing much, usually around the 2000+ mar, save Elf and Crypt for when under his wrath

>>174212263
>youre
your*

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>>174212832
ah fuck im retarded

Can you train to their fullest 2 spell schools in crawl? For example, can I use max hexes and max conjurations level spells? Or is this unfeasible.

>>174213263
You can max everything
There is infinite xp in Abyss, Pandemonium, Ziggurats
There is a limit on the spells you can learn, but you can still learn a lot of max level ones

>>174213263
With pandemonium, ziggurats, and abyss kinda having endless enemies and loot, if you don't mind a high turn count and hit to your final score, you can sit around and max as many skills as you'd like

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Cleared lair, still no flying skulls. Spriggan vault contained a +3 chainmail and nothing else.

>>174213263
high level mages train multiple schools anyways
if you want to cast firestorm you will probably have equal levels in conjuration and fire

going all the way to 27 is a bit silly though, at least in a non-extended game, because it costs shitloads of xp

the real question is what's the difference between antique armour and regular armour shops

>>174213624
Antique is cheaper but unidentified. That's it.

>>174213409
give link
today, i will make fun of you

Got my enslave on a boggart. This is bullshit.

>>174213875
Enjoy him dieing in 1 hit from a gnoll

>>174213875
If you like that you should play poschengband

>>174213875
give link lad
don't tell me you aren't playing on webtiles

>>174190975
Check the nick mapping if you must
Ask in IRC

>fire giant carrying firestarter
>blocks my path, literally

lame

>>174191071
You forgot the 666 in PCB
>>174198963
You always see PCB doubleturn one-shots coming. You know it can do it, there's no doubt there. ToME4 you don't unless you spend time examing the fucks

>>174214091
There are always more boggarts.

>>174214965
>rF+

>play tablords, splat anywhere from lair-zot constantly eventually quit because im tired of tab-oing up to lair

>start game up again after half a year, finally decide to try a caster

>play earth elementalist
>have a mother fucking blast

Damn, why didn't anyone tell me DCSS can actually be pretty fun? This class rocks

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>>174215251
>This class rocks

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>>174215423

>>174213875
That spell he casts is a player spell too
It was available on a rod once

>>174215639
you mean rod of shadows that still exists

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>>174215823
>rods
>existing
dcss stable isnt even a real roguelike, you need to play trunk to fully experience the power of removals

>>174216065
trunk is an uncharted land, full of mystery and danger. i don't tread such demonic grounds

>>174213360

Ah okay. I thought the player's level was capped at 27, not just the skill.

Is it possible to do this without "grinding"? Just curious because I'm able to get to the depths without even knowing Discord (trainibg hexes + other schools at once) and depths is almost the end for a 3 ruin run.

Does anybody remember when skill granularity was changed from whole levels to tenths of levels and they missed only two things
Do you remember what those things were? I do. Good times. Good times.

>>174216731
what are/were those two things?

>>174157387

>boring beetles are removed
>earth elementals can't dig through walls anymore

The worst thing is I think I know what their autistic excuse for this is. I know this isn't a big deal compared to other things they've removed but this is annoying.

>>174217210
>>earth elementals can't dig through walls anymore

uh, yeah they can. see: any gameplay of elf:3.

>>174217210
>>174217390
wait nope, i'm dumb

that's Awaken Earth, a spell available to deep elf elementalists, which converts walls into earth elementals. Basically has the same effect of digging.

>>174217390
earth elementals can't dig
deep elf elementalists have a spell that is "dig plus summon earth elementals", though

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These dream sheep are really bloaty, why do they still exist?

>>174214441
I saved for now, don't want to akrasia myself.

>>174217658
>why do they still exist?
they teach the v. important lesson of "packs are dangerous you goddamn idiot, especially in Lair".

if you have high AC and the pack is just those dream sheep, they're bloat. but add in some yaks, or elephants, or death yaks, or even just spiny frogs, and they're game-enders.

>>174218007
Those monsters are also bloat.

all monsters except oofs are bloat
oofcrawl is the one true crawl fork

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fuckkkkk

>>174216809
Disk of storms evocation scaling
More than one man one-shot themselves
There's a couple minutes of just lightning in the tvs that survived
Statue form AC. I discovered this one, you could have well over 300 AC

>>174218731
>disk [sic]
disc*

>>174218786
It doesn't matter how I spell it now that it's been removed

>>174218687
Time to put on four (4) amulets of choking and go to sleep forever, pal.

>>174218687
>Hey Bill, how come your mom lets you wear 5 amulets?

How's the damage? Seems like it would horrible without any cool stuff like attack/dice rings to use.

>>174218687
>>174218903
i don't get it

>>174219076
He found an amulet with Antisummoning, the best possible, and rarest amulet property in the game, but this same amulet also has anti-teleport, which is a death sentence.

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>>174218983
Eleven blows with no immunities outta ten.

>>174219224
antitele is awful but not an actual death sentence
you can just read ?destruction when you would otherwise have teled, which should leave you safe
but it costs a rare consumable and of course fucks up all the loot around and resets any fights with uniques back to square 1

First time playing a mage, i'm an earth elementalist and it's about time I start deciding to branch out into something else. What goes good with earth spells? Fire?

>>174219728
Earth is best. Fire is good and so is ice. Air is cool but impractical save for chain lightning and tornado.

>>174219728
depends on which spellbooks you find nigga
unless you're sif in which case you will eventually get every spell anyways
you can absolutely just stick with earth forever and lean on ironshot and eventually statform and shatter though

>>174218687
>4 helmets
>4 amulets
Can't be hydra, they only can wear one

Watcha playin' spiceman

Why are flying skulls so broken? Is it just becuase there's five of them? They're chewing through everything.

>>174157387

Should I stop training evocations eventually or do I need to keep training for the stronger monsters? I know if I stop training a spell skill set it gets shit eventually when I encounter harder enemies.

How do I know when to stop training stuff in DCSS?

>>174219858
Hydra get 5 of each the amulet and helmet slots.

>>174219858
their number of slots increases as they level up
level 1 hydra might only get one but level 50 has more

>>174219858
http://angband.oook.cz/ladder-show.php?id=20547

https://github.com/crawl/crawl/pull/518

>Adds a new Level 7 Charms spell: Overwhelming Strike. This spell, when cast, gives the player the Strike status for a hort period of time. If the player successfully hits an enemy while nder the Strike status, a powerful strike will be performed on the enemy based on spellpower and the player's current remaining MP at the time of the strike. After the strike is performed, the player's MP is drained to 0 and the Strike status is removed.

>Overwhelming Strike can be found in the book of Enchantments.

Thoughts on this? Could be good.
However, I feel like it's going to have the hexes problem of feeling awful as a spell when it doesn't go off properly. And for some reason this is intended.

>>174221867
Doesnt look too useful really, depends how much noise its gonna make

>>174221867
v shitty
like infusion+
but instead of sapping your MP a bit at a time it just cuts to the chase and strips you completely so you basically can't do anything afterwards
maybe good for bosses or OoD monsters depends on amount of damage

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>tfw you only get shitty arti axes

>>174221867
sounds like a retarded spell for retarded players that somehow level evo/invo/spc and get hella mp but somehow feel like throwing it all away

>>174221867
I bet it'll do less damage than Crystal Spear and Orb of Destruction even though it's a hundred times more conditional (and costly for that matter).

>>174222891
Who cares about artifacts when you have a vamp broad axe any fucking way, retard?

>>174223042
Because i would rather get a fucking broad or exec arti than this fucking toothpick or a ring or anything else

>>174222993
you're not looking at the bigger picture. yes it's level 7 and yes it requires you to use all your mana and be melee, but it's a charms spell, which means you're skilling a spell school that also gives you dmsl and haste as a bonus, so it'll be useful to fighters with high str/int and not so much to casters.

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>>174223330
>haste

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I cleared all of this and my only source of rF is a gold dragon armour which i need to enchant if i wanna wear.. Really dont know if i should wear it or not or risk buying the crystal plate armour from the shop

>>174223330
What is a fighter doing casting level 7 charms spells?

>>174224329
winning

>>174223708
Sometimes you see posts like these and you wonder if maybe all the shitting on tavern is misguided and /rlg/ is just really bad at crawl.

>melee transmuters will never, ever get a better spell than Blade Hands
>charms will never, ever get a playstyle defining high level spell

I wish the devs would spend at least 10% of the effort they put into removing everything from the game to actually build on the parts that have been incomplete for years.

>>174224482
>tfw anon is too dumb to see your cheeky bait

Unhavery of dickery.

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splet

>>174224793
ya did it, now go to bed

>>174224894
>ya did it, now go to bed (commit suicide)[sic]
rude as hell
heck*

>>174224953
it's literally the early morning hours where I am, so if I don't commit suicide (go to bed)[sic] then I'm gonna be pretty ornery (angery) tomorrow (today)

>>174225054
FINALND?
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>>174224793

>>174224508
how about a level 9 charms/hexes spells called buffsucker
steals all buffs from enemies in LoS and applies them to yourself
redundant buffs increase duration of effect

charms school could use some spells that aren't simple buffs but i don't what
maybe there's some good monster only spells but I can't think of them right now
maybe like that orc/seraph battlecry that rouses your allies or whatever
or some shit from pan demonspawn
berserk other could be good, but it might work as a hex too. i guess that might be filled by discord already idk
might other exists on troll shamans
maybe a spell that boosts your strength or dex based on spellpower, i mean if stats even mattered in the first place. maybe have the spell decrease one of the other two stats so it's not a "nobrainer"
add sustained reactive auras; add kickback to them so it's not a "nobrainer"
add a spell that increases LoS
add a spell that extends duration of temporary buffs; make it decrease MR or extend debuff duration so it's not a "nobrainer"

hexes school could be fixed by allowing monster-only spells to be learned by the player, like -tele + strip resistance from enchantress, vault warden door locking, vault sentinel marking + noise projection, yred pain mirror/damage reflection, magic sap from pan demonspawn, and other cool shit I can't remember
mainly shit that doesn't depend on the fucking infinite MR that all monsters after lair have
all or nothing dice rolls are the cancer killing hexes

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Cute sword

>ywn play SETm^Chei with ponderous brands again

Once upon a time Chei was good, because you could spiderform to remove the ponderousness and escape. That's bloat though.

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>>174225419
He's ascended this mere mortal coil.

>>174227235
That sounds unthematic more like.

wait, it's transcended, isn't it

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>tfw you cant ascend as tree form
Either way, this run was fun, you know its game over when oof does 0 damage to you and berserked packs of dracos and quick silver dragons deal like 5 damage to you
I would get more runes but i couldnt bother dealing with some stuff with rN+ only
Heres the morgue: https://underhound.eu:81/crawl/morgue/rlgrobin/morgue-rlgrobin-20170417-094713.txt

>>174227780
BUT WHAT ABOUT BERSERK ORBS OF FIRE

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>>174227780

>>174227919
Didnt have the chance to get that, everything was dying too fast, i was surrounded by orb of fire, 3 guardians and ancient lich once, it all died really fast

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>>174227947
where is this image from

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>>174228454
Slutcat: the movie

>>174228521
it seems there's a whole world of memes out there i'm not familiar with because i'm not a filthy patrician that browses anything other than /a/ and /rlg/

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>>174228632
dumb animeposter

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>>174228715
>not watching anime
>not posting anime
suspicious

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>>174228793

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Quick question: If I block a fire elemental with my shield I don't get fire damage, right?

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Well, maybe I'll find RF somewhere else.

>>174199265
CRAWLING IN MY CRAWL!
but really, congrats on biting, crawling, and booting your way to centipede victory!

>>174225923
>wanting additions in DCSS
>wanting non-gimped and non-simplistic magic in DCSS
>wanting buffs to spellcasters in DCSS
ayy lmao

>>174218687
well shit
still worth?

>>174224793
you sure gave that snake some head!

>>174221867

0/10 just a shittier tummy slash ripoff. But at least it can't be removed if it gets implemented because the devil's team literally come buckets in features with dumb drawbacks

Hellcrawl

[DCSS] Is there any way to enable force more for all monsters, which are marked as yellow and red?

>>174157387
Is Dungeon of Dreadmore okay? I've been thinking about getting it.

>+9 rapier {elec, Str+5, Int+4}
>+0 quick blade of electrecution
is it even worth using the quick blade? pumping enchant weapon scrolls in there?

>>174235992
it has cute graphics and zany jokes, the magic schools are pretty fun

but it has some bad interface issues, namely:
-designed to be mouse-first. You can walk around with keyboard instead of mouseclicks but doing so will walk you into shit like traps while using mouse will stop you from walking into traps.
-Really bad inventory management. You have to constantly drag and drop shit around, it's like a much worse version of Diablo (not a roguelike but inspired by them) inventory management. This is especially a big pain in the ass for crafting.

So it's got some upsides but some annoying downsides too. The art, humor, and magic varieties are its high points for me, but the mouse-first control scheme and design of inventory management are problems.

>>174237897
Are you a stabber? If so, then yes

>>174235573
You really don't want to do that.

>>174238731
Why? I need some protection from tabbing when dangeous monster comes into view.

>>174239264
Learn how your rc file works, add some force_more+=s with comes into view and some other stuff

>>174239264
include+=HDAForceMore.rc

In Poschengband, what Demigod subraecs are particularly good for melee-focused peeps (such as Rune-Knight or Weaponmaster)?

I have heard Rune-Knight is pretty OP. How does Weaponmaster stack up, and does anyone have experience with non-swordmasters?

>>174240641
>>174240885
Thanks, but this solution is static and doesn't change when you gaining levels.
If I meet a gnoll on D:2, it will be marked as red, but on D:10 it will be a regular "white" or "grey" enemy.

>>174241248

Zeus is probably the most useful in the midgame grind for most everyone (since you don't have to worry about levitation and MAX STATS asap). Poseidon is pretty nifty if you get a lot of hits, and is more interesting than Ares imho. Hades gives *really* useful implicits.

>>174241248
weaponmasters are really good at using ego equipment, rune knights are really good at using both egos and artifacts

like a weaponmaster could take some helm of the valkyrie and pump it up to +6 pval and give it rDisenchant, while a rune knight could slap a rune of air on Deathwrecker for extra blows

overall rune knights are more fun, but they also make irrevocable decisions since you can never take a rune off of an item, while a weaponmaster can keep tweaking as they please

Pretty much any demigod type can work fine. Ares gives the most melee bonuses and his helm drop gives extra blows but has no resists and aggravates. Hermes gives speed as you level and not being able to be slowed is very strong, plus his boots are superb. Poseidon is always fine on melee classes since reducing enemy armor on hit is good. His trident is fine but it has Order property which means it always does the same damage and cannot crit. Zeus' amulet gives +5 device skill (used to also give +5 device power which was nuts, rip nerf but it's still strong).

You don't really want the caster parentages since you won't reliably be casting without consistent mana.

>>174242420

>a weaponmaster can keep tweaking as they please

Are you talking about Weaponmasters, or Weaponsmiths?

>>174242420

Does Hermes give you speed as you level? Thought it was just +2 flat.

>>174241248
>>174242420
oh yeah hades is really strong too, gets good intrinsics, good item drop, extra hit points, and sustain con (the most important sustain)

>>174242720
yeah i meant smiths

>>174242814
yeah he gives more as you level iirc, plus the inability to be slowed is really strong

Thinking of giving runesword-wielding maledict another try. Only this time I'll go sexy, considering I'm going to aggravate by default with my sword.

>>174242814
IIRC it is speed+=(p_ptr->/10), plus can't be slowed.

>>174242903

Is there a list of Demigod-unique drops? Beat the game with a Zeus, never realized there were unique drops.

>>174243491
>IIRC it is speed+=(p_ptr->/10), plus can't be slowed.

What does that mean? +1 Speed every 10 levels? 5 speed at level 50 seems pretty good.

>>174243562
every Olympian has a unique item that it drops 35% of the time. If they're your parent, it is 100%

mikedebo.ca/files/poschengband-spoilers/artifact.spo may be slightly outdated but mostly good

>>174243562
Forgot to write it fully, +=(p_ptr->lev/10)
Yeah, it's +1 speed every 10 levels, although I think it is always minimum of 1 due to how integer division works.

>>174243764
There's a git for PCB which I use when I need to reference the code. https://github.com/poschengband/poschengband

Although I mostly play R.

>>174243890
Oops, misread your post.
If you need spoilers, here is more newer one that is maintained ( ex. clouded monsters were added recently ).
https://nikheizen.github.io/

>>174241248
For what hasn't been mentioned, Poseidon is very strong for dual wielding and Apollo is secretly pretty decent but nobody really uses him.

Daggermaster is fun, and like swordmaster you can actually find your weapons.

>>174241674
You can totally create a forcemore for red enemies, but I'm too sleepy to help you right now.
Or else you can use lua.

>>174244101

Is using a Runesword as a Weaponmaster at all legitimate (if you have the patience for it)? Or is it just a meme.

>>174244486
can someone explain to a two (2) (male) int minotaur dcss player what the runesword is

>>174244569
it's a pcb item that starts at 0d0 (-50, -50) and vampirism (drains life on hit to heal you) but as you kill things it gets semirandomly stronger and gains various abilities. It's also permanently cursed so you can never remove it unless you use a scroll of mundanity to nuke all of its abilities (including the permacurse) away.

It can be better or worse than this but usually ends up as something like 7d6 (+25, +25) with, say, branded with frost, slays giants, undead, orcs. Slay just means extra damage.

>>174244569

You also have to kill *stronger* things for it to increase in power, so you can't just farm worms forever.

To say it is a grind to get working is an understatement. It took me almost an entire day of playing just to get it to positive values, although once you get into the (0, 0) it really takes off. It can technically go up to (+50, +50), but realistically it will be about (+30, +30)

Mathematically it is pretty fucking strong, but the issue is that it takes *forever* of tedious grind to work (more from the fact that the god damn sword needs to *kill* to get exp, so you can't Dual Wield cheese it). Plus, some of the top-end artifacts are superb and have a pletora of very useful implicts you would miss out on.

Compare:

>7d6 (+30, +30)
>Fire Brand
>slay giant, undead, orc

vs Ringil:

>5d5 (+22,+25)
>+5 to CHR, Speed(!)
>Frost
>Slay Evil, Demons, Undead, Trolls
>Free Action; See Invisible; Regeneration; Slow Digestion; Riding; Permanent Light (1)
>Sense Orcs; Sense Trolls; Sense Giants

>>174242039
What's Hades's thing again? Life rating?

>>174246065
108% racial life rating instead of 100%, extra con, sustain con, rNether, and hold life

>>174246065

Hades:
>Resist Nether
>Hold Life
>Free Action
>+3 CON
>-2 CHA (who cares)
>Sustain CON
>+3 HD
>+15 Saving Throws

I.E. Pretty good.

>>174246251
>>174246257
Yeah, that's pretty good.

>+15 Saving Throws
That seems like a lot but I'm not sure how +skills works in PCB. I take it one point isn't enough to move it up a category on the char screen.

Was there a guide of the general progression of PCB? Like, what order to do dungeons in, where to grind, etc (Like do lonely mountain when you have Levitation and lvl 30+ or whatever). Can't find it in the pasta.

>>174244430

>You can totally create a forcemore for red enemies
Yes, but this list will be static, and I don't want to have force more because of gnoll on D:10, because it won't be dangerous any more.

>>174244430
>you can use lua
I don't know, what should I write exactly. And I don't know anything about dependencies between current player's level and "dangerousness" of the specific monster.
Honestly, I hoped for something like this:
force_more_message += (yellow|red)_monster?.*comes? into view.

>>174246741
Not static, but using the color when it is announced.
Dangerousness = HD in most cases, so you can use that.

>>174246416
there are a LOT of viable orders but here's a common one:
thieves quest, warg quest, finish stronghold if you're a weak character may have to hold off on final boss until later though), go to morivant and open up Orc Caves on the way, do the first two quest floors in the Angband dungeon, clear Orc Caves, Morivant's Tengu and Death Swords quest (and maybe a couple others like Sewer), Labyrinth, Lonely Mountain (may have to hold off on killing Smaug though).

>>174246416
oh also open Telmora early (like on the same trip to open Morivant) if you can to do the easy early town arena monsters for some useful devices

>>174246812
>using the color when it is announced
Is it something connected with message channels? I haven't used them before.

>>174247374
Yes.

>>174247419
Thanks, I'll look at them.

How do I get SP to enchant my shit early on as a Rune Knight? I mean, I know how, but I just want to know *how*

>>174247725
dance around in front of a novice mage or other not really dangerous caster

>>174247725
For the runes that don't take all your sp, you can sit in front of an eye or jelly with the drain mana spell and gain more than you lose.

>>174246257
Not sure what that is from, but it's not true as of the latest versions.

>rNether
>Hold life
>Sustain con
>+2 con
>+10 saving throw
>+5 melee
>+1 stealth
>+7% life rating

Still good, of course.

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You know the best thing? This class has a sterilization power, so I can stop whenever I want.

>>174246397
As for saving throws, IIRC, usual saving throw is defined as following macro:

#define saving_throw(S) (randint0(100) < S)

So basically if the random value from 0 to 99 is less than S ( character's saving throw - power of spell ), it evaluates as true, meaning that player succeeded in saving throw.
So 15 is bit sizeable. Can't remember off-hand, but usually spell power is just the level of the monster.

>>174247419
I tried
force_more_message += monster_warning:(comes? into view|opens the)
but it warns me about every monster. How to reduce the scope of this message to only dangerous enemies?