/shmupg/ - Shoot 'em Up General

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First for Casper is the best

Second for CAVE is the best

Third for CAVE is the best.

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Fourth for Windia sucks

>cave
overrated shit for hipsters, waifutards and try-hard elitists

>>173272093
Caspers design is cheap as fuck. Even I can draw better.

>>173273558
Only because the scoring in the games Kraut-kun likes are shit.

>>173275118
Still better to have shit gameplay with scoring than to have shit gameplay with or without scoring.

Stop-p fighting guys

>>173273662
This is a lie.

>>173276098
>Stop-p fighting guys
It's really just KLB losing his shit because people don't like his favorite kusoge.

>>173278212
More like Cavedrones making a fool of themselves again.

My copy of Akashicverse arrived! I'll stream some of my awfulness tomorrow.

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>>173274236
Ah, well, alright. I still like her though!

When you compare shmups to anime, then Cave is really like KyoAni, but instead of ruining the industry with crappy moeblobs for subhumans, they ruined it with uninspired marshmallow danmaku.

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>cave
>able to work in 3d
LMAO even for such basic shit they are too incompetent

>>173280334
Not a bad game at all tbdesu.

>>173280334
Ouch, that looks like early 90's CG in the background.
Surely they can do better than that?

cave sucks

Casper sucks and won't let go

ITT: kids get triggered by Cave.

ITT: cavedrones continuing to think their games are good
l m a y o

>>173284630
t. autistic garegga neckbeard

>>173284248
more like local dad shits and klb shitpost and cry

>>173285496
>local dad shits
>klb

Wat?

What a great thread, guys. Keep the pointless tribalism going. We're almost /v/, and I know that with your continued efforts we can achieve our goal. We CAN become /v/. I believe.

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>>173283557
What do you mean by that?

>>173288610
this shit's always been /v/-tier, ya cunt

>>173291601
Nah, it hasn't. We should all just keep shitposting, though.

>>173284697
t. autistic waifushitter cavedrone

>>173293994
>lol you like cave so you must like anime shit too XD
As expected of garegga shitters

>>173294492
i dont even like garegga that much
batrider is better

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Can't we all just get along? We should.

>>173294716
dimahoo > yagawa shit

Is KAMUI worth a buy?

wew lad good start

>>173301138
Yes, fun game all around.

>>173301138
Gameplay and music is good, but graphics are horrible.

>>173301138
Wasn't impressed, but it's not a bad game.

>>173302663
It has nice ships and explosions, what else do you want?

I play worse with stick but I love it, is this normal?

>>173303003
The art style is good yes, but the graphics are complete garbage. Mainly the resolution. The sprites look like they are made for ants.

>>173303141
Well it's an old shmup, kinda comes with the territory

>>173303498
Bullshit. Even shmups from 1990 have better resolution. No idea what the devs were thinking there. perhaps it was meant for mobiles? IDK...

>>173303085
Yes. Play more to fix the play part of the equation and get even more love.

>>173303681
Isn't it like 3 dudes in a basement? Probably kept it low to make drawing easier like indies do nowadays.

>>173303812
I never played a doujin with a resolution this horrible.
I never played any game with such a garbage resolution.

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>>173304024
Guess you don't play western indies then otherwise you'd get desensitized ages ago

>>173271949
DELETE THIS

>>173304135
Good job cherry picking with some completely obscure shit noone ever heard about.
The resolution in Kamui is unacceptable. 2 people easily can make better graphics in a doujin, if they actually put some effort into it.

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>>173304218
It's just big pixels bro

>>173304301
Yes, and it looks like garbage. It's not 1985 anymore.

>>173304218
Go play ring^-27

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new kusopb for st2. i wish ccwi would track your score in practice.

>>173306229
no

>>173294716
>batrider is better
This, garegga wins on soundtrack only whilst batrider owns in all other departments. Play carpet solo ftw.

>>173306501
*tips fedora*

>cavedrones
>good at CCWI
pick one

>>173306386
i've completely ignored stage 2 scoring until yesterday, what is a good, yet not autistic score to aim for on this stage? 500-600?

>doodoopeepee
Just alone the name sounds fucking retarded. Literally Poowaramu tier

>>173308026
>500-600
this is pretty top score for stage 2
probably you can't get more

>>173308297
LMAO

Top tier scores for stage 2 are around 1.4 trillion. 600 billion is nothing

>cavedrones
>having an idea about ccwi
topkek

>>173307468
Why would anyone who likes cave play that third rate knockoff instead of the real deal kek

65th for Touhou is better than cave and dadshit

>>173308081
Good thing there's no such game as "doodoopeepee" then.

>>173303760
Yessir!

>>173309373
doodoopeepee is a space invaders clone released in 2017 by company cake

>>173306501
>carpet solo
Sure, if you are shit at the game.

Real men pick 3 different Garegga ships.

>>173309489
So we are in 2017 and this is the current state of shmups. I believe it.

>>173308606
show your stage 2 score

>>173309802
Why should I?
My stage 2 pb is 800 billion

>>173310221
with type z?

>>173310319
No, with Type I
Type Z is harder to score with

>>173301138
Not a huge fan of it, but it's okay, I guess
I didn't like the scoring system much, mostly because you can't shoot and charge at the same time

Resolution is weird and ugly but it's a 1999 indie game

So I take it bullet soul is booty?

>>173310376
DKA got 600, screw up a bit on boss, but not big deal
so, for average player, getting 500-600, is a good result

>>173310669
DKA got around 700, and 500-600 will always be garbage, no matter of the player.

>>173311043
How much time would you say getting 600 billion would take for the average player?

>>173311452
Depends on how you practice.

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Is there a Fantasy Zone like released these past few years?
Played it too much lately but love the mechanics.

>>173311568
Rough approximation?

>>173311595
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FY8PxKCxxNg&t=329s

>>173311731
It completely depends on how you practice. Wether you only poractice stage 2, or the whole game, wether you use replay refrences, etc
It's can varry 20 hours- 300 hours.

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>>173311810
I've just realized that half of the bosses there are kemono aka furries

>>173313104
furryshit or touhou-tier lolishit
doesn't make a difference

>>173313187
You should calm down a bit

>>173309580
carpet solo has hard longmilks and a very unsafe tight shot type, stop judging by your kusoclear level.

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Are you buying one, /shmupg/?

is MMP kemono?

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>>173313384
Looks like something niggers would wear

>>173313514
Terrible.

>>173313391
Not really, it's kemonomimi

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*blocks your files*
what do shmupg?

>>173314258
call the police

>>173314552
name one police officer thats good at UFO

>>173314715
police should be good at shooting

>>173313384
>Are you buying one, /shmupg/?
Nah i never spend out on clothing because that shit is for ugly fags who think they can polish a turd or insecure fags who need identity flags, the only autismal clothing i have shame for owning is a driver jacket in a diff colour scheme.

>>173314258
>*blocks your files*
>what do shmupg?
Throw your pc out the window and elbow fuck you do death for being such a corny childish fuckboi.

>>173316194
Cee, got any tips for how to best approach gitting gud at ballisticng? Should I just go zen mode or should I stick with slower speeds until I get the hang of the physics and tracks?

>>173314258
>0.2 billion

>>173316352
Hmm bare in mind i come from experience in the genre so i might not be to helpful but imo as speed etc effects the controlling and lines aspect so much i personally believe you should go straight to the fastest speed class and just chip away at it. Better advice is to stick to fastest but use slower ships which have easier control then try the barracuda ship and when you have that move to the fastest selection of ships (press up on ship select to scroll to them if you've unlocked everything which you can do immediately in >profile). Also find and stick to a course you enjoy for me its ackinovoeseosososo whatever it's called, cassandra is easy minus a nasty left right left and the 2nd track is comfy ish to.

>>173316194
You should be more ashamed for liking a shitty tryhard movie like Driver enough to buy a replica jacket

>>173318085
Shut up pleb, it doesn't try hard at anything and is aesthetically amazing. I bet you can't even name the 70s movie it's a large homage to that i also like so eat a rusty queef.

>>173318243
It's style over substance schlock about a guy with the personality of cardboard with questionable motivations. It's a movie designed for film critics to wank over, nothing more

70s films are largely shite too.

>>173317678
Thanks I'll give that a try. Project utah is the most fun at my current level even though I can't even finish it half the time without using the pit stops. I'm a complete n00b so the game's tearing me a new one, but it's incredibly fun.

>>173318515
>It's style over substance
This is literally the point, it doesn't even claim to have substance you fucking moron it's entirely an aesthetic piece that it succeeds very well in.

>>173318515
>70s films are largely shite too.
You just made yourself out to be a complete pleb and moron which i knew anyway, seriously don't waste your time you're to autistic and basic to appreciate the many dimensions of film. Go watch star wars or transformers again or something more your speed. The conversation is my fav 70s film btw and nah you won't know it or like it anyway because you're to basic.

>>173317678
Oh but what do you mean by "lines aspect" though?

>>173318829
Yeah expect it, it took me a good 2 hrs of runs on acknivosoe whatever last night to get a good pb with the fastest ship without any bumps with only finishing 3 times. The biggest killer in these games is getting really tense when youre on pb pace and fucking up the last lap.

>>173318918
>Oh but what do you mean by "lines aspect" though?
So naturally speed means all steering timing will be different in terms of when you start/finish braking/initiating turning and it also effects yourlines in the literal sense of ship positioning pre-corner entry etc. When i play i literally build a plan in my head and talk myself through it like a co-pilot as i play until muscle memory becomes second nature.

>>173318842
>it's entirely an aesthetic piece
So you admit to enjoying shallow shit. Sorry the rest of us have some standards. Maybe Star Wars and Transformers are a bit too complex for you mate?

>>173304218
>Good job cherry picking with some completely obscure shit noone ever heard about.
Environmental Station Alpha is a good game, fuck you.

>>173313384
Sure, gimme a link to a store page

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shoot 'em up

>>173319305
Not sure if contrarian or just really dumb, either way shush bambino.

>>173319875
It's at Cave Matsuri this year apparently.

No idea what that is but I want one.

>>173325837
Well damn, I really want that red one.

>>173325837
>No idea what that is but I want one.
No idea why Cave doesn't make it available for sale online. It's like they don't want money.

>>173327984
They don't want filthy casuals getting their hands on their merch. You show up and prove you deserve it or you can fuck off and go back to download roms for MAME

>>173327984
Probably not enough money for the production at higher numbers.

>Princess of the bugs
>Kills all of the bugs
What did Reco-chan mean by this?

>>173330882
Disobedient subordinates must be punished.

>>173330882
Same way Kim Jong Un is the Dear Leader of Korean people.

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>>173330882
She is a princess that rides on a bug!

>>173330882
>cave
>making any sense whatsoever

>>173303681
KAMUI looks about as good as Donpachi. It looks good.

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>>173335746
>Donpachi
>looking good

Anyone played Akashicverse? What do you think about it

>>173344752
I just got it. I'll play it later after I satisfy my need for Persona 5 and tell you my thoughts.

>>173344752
Someone was supposed to strm it today.

>>173314258
loosing all my files or playing poojin kusoge tough choice.

>>173346716
>>173345393

>>173339108
better aesthetics than doodoopoopoo and it's sequels.at least.

>>173350406
Such a hipster opinion to have

How do we make /shmupg/ great again

>>173354672
Trick question. /shmupg/ was never great.

>>173354672
>How do we make /shmupg/ great again
more insults

going live with Akashicverse shortly
twitch tv/draconicimpulse

>>173354672
Remove eurotrash like kbr and cee.

>>173354672
Remove Cave/Touhou drones, like 95% of this general

>>173313380
Best bomb in the game, best options setup in the game giving her a wider range than most other ships, and is still powerful and fast even on S, but continue thinking you need skill to play as her, scrub. Also have fun skipping some of the hardest bosses in the game like Glowsquid and BH2 by only picking her.

>>173357650
So it'd just be you shitposting alone? Ever thought of leaving yourself if almost everyone but you is the problem?

>>173358237
I'm giving advice how to make the genral better. What is even your problem?

So, uh, some games claim to have Steam leaderboard support but there's no leaderboard tab (ZANGEKI WARP, for example) on Steam, does it mean that they just use it to store scores but you can't access them via Steam?

>>173362193
Check in the achievement tab.

>>173357408
Done.

>>173344752
It was good. Seems like the later stages will be memorizers, what with how much the game throws at you. It'll probably take me a bit to memorize the inputs for the different abilities, but that's because I suck. Music was really good, and I liked how quickly the game covered the screen with bullets, but it wasn't much to look at beyond that.

>>173363318
Thanks

>>173363276
I open http://steamcommunity.com/stats/564040/achievements and see achievements only
http://steamcommunity.com/stats/564040/leaderboards/?xml=1 says "no public leaderboards"

I thought about aggregating through /shmupg/ Steam group to make a group leaderboard but there's no point if there's like only 5 games that have accessible leaderboards

>>173364515
I think astroports other games have it set up like that, I don't know about zangeki.

>I thought about aggregating through /shmupg/ Steam group to make a group leaderboard
If you add people on the shmupg steam group that play whatever games you play, most of the games with in game leaderboards have an option to sort by friends so you can see their scores alongside yours.

>copy replays like a monkey
>do the same repetitive task over and over for hudnrets of hours
>feel like complete shit from dying over and over
>wank to your mediocre replay noone gives a shit about
What a huge waste of time.

>>173368654
1cc collecting for life

>>173367434
>I think astroports other games have it set up like that, I don't know about zangeki.
Yeah other Astro Port games except witchbot have leaderboards available there

>If you add people on the shmupg steam group that play whatever games you play, most of the games with in game leaderboards have an option to sort by friends so you can see their scores alongside yours.
Thanks, I know about that, just don't want to do it that way

>>173356485
I want to see your DaiOuJou replay but it's not working.

>>173371620
Yeah, it's having issues across the board. The replay on Twitch won't work unless you disable HTML5, and the input file desyncs for the guy running the YouTube channel.

I'll try to get another replay on my Twitch again soon, but sometimes the file desyncs for me and sometimes it doesn't.

>>173368654
you forgot
>got to shmupg and shit on people who aren't tryhards

What shmups did you not play today shmupg?

>>173374690
I streamed Akashicverse and played a bit of Resogun. I didn't play Garegga though, I should fix that before I pass out.

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>>173374690
Any of them. I really did intend to play something today, but then I wound up playing Breath of the Wild with all of my free time. Kinda put off doing several other things I intended to do today, but la-ti-da...

>>173374690
DOJWL as usual.

>>173374690
Blue Revolver. I swear I will go back to practicing stage 1 again when I have more free time!

>>173374690
i havent played a shmup in a good few days, maybe a week
i need to keep trying to clear kamui

Is there a way to get the Garegga soundtrack that doesn't involve spending 40 bucks on amazon or ripping from the game?

>>173374690
I did not play Ketsui. Instead I played RFJet.

>>173383838
Google, or are you referring to the remixes?

If you mean the most recent remixes, I'd suggest Google.

Extend!

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>>173389057
Don't forget to brush your teeth.

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>>173389876
What the heck I didn't mean to quote

I need sleep, good night

>>173389876
I won't!

>>173390020
Good night.

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Last bahmpu before bed~

Keep flying, /shmupg/

glad we aren't fighting anymore

>>173368654
>>copy replays like a monkey
I never do this desu, half the fun for me is figuring strats for myself.

>>173394182
This

>>173394182
youll never get a good score

>>173400671
and you'll never be a good player if you can only copy

>>173400671
>youll never get a good score
My guwange blue effort says otherwise, don't assume everyone is as dumb and incapable of figuring things out through experimentation and intuition as you and before you come back with the obvious contrarian horseshit either beat my score or fuck off and eat burp. Same for karous btw and vasara and every racing game i have a good time in.

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>>173403442
>games nobody played

>>173403651
guwange blue was literally a prize for the best guwange players in the world, nobodies played ddp blue either but you gonna write off SOF-WTNs 2-all run? my current score is 80% of a counter stop that i don't even know if possible, i've had no help ever in any way and spent months figuring out every mechanic and route whilst you're a dumb cunt that can only copy others and plays games based on popularity to make you think you get more community points but no i just think you're a twat.

>>173403651
>>games nobody played
Can you not see how this undermines your argument? If no ones played them then there's nothing to copy...

Solar Shifter EX is more like Solar Shitter EX
God this game is awful even by euroshmup standards
Why do I have it in my library

>>173405067
Are you seriously trying to demonstrate a logical conclusion to a frog poster?

>>173405067
if noone plays it any shitty kusoclear will have a """"good"""" score since theres no competition to compare it to

>>173405067
this >>173407703

frogposters are never wrong

>>173407703
So so dumb, these games you are only ever really competing with the games limits therefore human competition holds little value unless you make the concious decision to try and beat someone, futari bl has literally one player that we know is so close to the theoretical limits that other human effort makes no difference and the same is true with the game i play, is swy's counter stop guwange of no value because at the time no one else was going for it? a good score is a good score and in this genre completely valid for the reason i stated ie the limits of the game assuming you have calculated it which in most games is the case with rare exceptions of new strats being found. Don't worry i know you don't understand this and will continue with the same dire reasoning skills of a child.

>>173408595
>is swy's counter stop guwange of no value because at the time no one else was going for it?
lmao at all these hoops you're trying to jump thru
guwange was cave's next big game, loads of top players were scoring it when it came out. guwange blue is a literal who xbox game that nobody good ever touched. if swy played it maybe he would have got 150 million after a month of play

dumb chavposter

Honestly though, a lot of shmups are getting released on Steam now.
If you go back just 4 years, there were hardly any worthwhile shmups on Steam, just euroshmups and a few others like eXceed and Gundemonium, also CCWI. Mostly bullet hells as well. But I think the only good, non-bullet hell, non-euroshmup was Satazius for a long time.

I'm happy that Steam's library of shmups is now so varied that you don't have to relegate yourself to playing euroshmups or don't necessarily have to resort to playing on MAME or other emulators any longer!
We could still do much better though, and I'm hopeful we can do it!

>>173409474
on steam we get
>shitty euroshmups
>shitty indie euroshmups
>poojin kusoge
>broken slapdash cave games
wow epic

>>173409474
That's mostly because Steam has lifted any requirements for releasing a game when they've introduced Greenlight
Greenlight is closing this year, but they promised to still let obscure games/genres onto Steam

>>173394182
Have fun clearing games like Garegga or Daioujou then.

>>173409981
>Greenlight is closing this year
Wut? I heard they just have to pay hundred bucks or so to release a game on steam.

>>173411092
You had to pay $100 to release a game after one week of Greenlight's opening because people were putting memes and games they don't own there
They're closing Greenlight for good (there was an official announcement, I'm too lazy to google it) because $100 barrier didn't stop people from putting fake games on Steam

>>173412775
They are not completely closing it, you just have to pay 100$ per game, instead of only once.

>>173413884
Maybe, it could be more.

>>173413884
https://steamcommunity.com/games/593110/announcements/detail/558846854614253751

They promise to bring some sort of quality control back, and when Steam had one before Greenlight, most of the STGs that are currently on Steam wouldn't get published through Steam because they're too obscure
Dunno any more details, though it sounds like they would still sell obscure games through Steam after closing Greenlight, so hopefully more STGs will come to Steam

>>173409474
looking around there are many quality stg on steam now, it is a nice change.

>>173410747
>Garegga
Already did, again sorry you're to

>>173408973
>guwange blue is a literal who xbox game
dumb to figure out things alone.

Is this trolling?you haven't seen it in mame? it had a matsuri event showcase and was awarded to the highest scorers like dodonpachi campaign, it has way more scoring tricks etc and game balancing. You're off your dick if you think it wasn't rinsed by some jap players. At least 3 according to wiki...


Blue Label

The 'blue label' version of the game was originally a promotional item given to the three highest scoring players at a Cave hosted event.[1] On December 30, 2007 Cave fest, Cave unveiled a special edition of the game, which included increased difficulty in later chapters. The arcade game eventually appeared in cabinet format

>>173419598
excuse the weird chop edit i managed to do somehow

>>173394182
>>173400671
>>173402734
Why not both

>>173419598
>Already did
And you surely watched replays of it before and read guides. Stop acting as if you never use stragegies discovered by others. Everyone does this, except you play like shit perhaps.

>>173419598
there is no record of top guwnage blue scores though
they probably hocked that shit on japbay to make up for all the yen they dumped into mastering the original arcade game

Fuck daioujou. This shit game is way difficult with all the rng bullshit in it.

>>173424863
Stop whining kraut

>>173424863
__________________________________________get good
________

>>173425043
>>173425059
Post your scores, or stfu. I bet cave couldn't even clear the game themselves. It's unbalanced as fuck.

>>173425934
lmao someone in this thread cleared it a week or two ago

>>173426258
Doesn't mean that it's balanced well. It's just fucking annoying, when you constantly die simply because you dodged a milimetre too far to the left or whatever.

The routing is kiddycrap in this game, but the micro dodging makes it just frustrating as fuck.

>>173426452
So you die from fucking up your positioning in a genre all about positioning, sounds good to me.

>>173426452
Yeah I wouldn't recommend that game unless you're specifically into the absurd difficulty.

>>173427082
I die from luck based shit game play. Many patterns in this game are so difficult to dodge, that you can not master them really.

It's not like in well balanced games, where you just have to practice them, and then you can execute the patterns. In this game you can practice as often as you want, because the game always gives a fucking pixel of space to dodge through.

>>173427263
A 1-all of doj isn't that bad, there's some silly moments like the turrets and almost everything the final boss throws at you but besides that it's very doable.

>>173427640
>stage 3 boss
>not completely luck dependent
The patterns of this boss are complete luck bullshit.

>>173427734
Everything but the final pattern is easy peasy and you can use a hyper when things get hairy

>>173426452
so you're saying, you're bad at video games? we already know this.

>>173427734
I suggest practicing the final boss for like 30 mins. His first and last pattern in particular are bullshit and will force you to get a feel for your hitbox, the game became much easier for me after I did that.

>>173428503
I'm not even able to survive the stage 3 boss yet, due to the bullshit patterns it throws at you.

>>173427949
It's not just the final pattern. Every second pattern is complete bullshit.

>>173428178
No, I am just not a fucking try-hard like you cavedrones.
I also could practice dodging these pixel perfect dodges for hours, but it is fucking annoying.
Actually good games make you practicing routes, not fucking dodges.
The routes in this game are fucking boring. The only difficulty is just the fucking pixel perfect dodging.

>>173428904
Keep practicing, it used to be hard to me too now I can do it no problem. Also use savestates to get to the final boss, feeling where your hitbox is helps so fucking much you don't even know.

>>173424863
WL or BL?

>>173429114
You sound like an assblasted neo /v/ shitkid that just posted a review about how boring a game is because they can't clear the first stage.

>>173429145
>Keep practicing
No thanks. It's not my type of game. Merely practicing fucking dodges is just too stupid to me.
When I practice then I do not do it for the dodges, I do it for the routes.

>>173429314
And you sound like a fucking cavedrone try-hard elitist, who thinks he is hard shit because he can clear a cave game.

>>173429475
LOL that salt

fuck off back to your easy irem and treasure shooters and let the big boys talk

>>173429475
>get called out for being shit
>c-cavedrone!
Nowhere did I say anything about CAVE, nor did I even suggest DOJ is a good game. Chill the fuck out and buy some preparation H.

>>173429653
>if a game is easier it means it's worse
You have absolutely no idea about video games, and actually makes them good.

>>173429658
95% of the people here are cavedrones. Pretty sure you are one of them too.

>>173429653
>trying to use video games as a dick extension
Can you be any more pathetic?

>>173429942
what's the point in playing casual shumps with basic scoring, the aesthetic eventually wears off and the game gets too boring

>>173430335
Treasure shooters are not easy. They also can be extremely difficult, especially when playing for score, but they are not pants on head retardly difficult like fucking Cave.

>kraut sperging because he can't even 1all doj
LOL

>>173430710
The game is too hard for me so it's shit!

>>173430710
I merely have 10 hours in the game, you fucking retard. Pretty sure you couldn't clear it too with that playtime.

I could clear the game with enough poractice, but the game is just fucking annoying with its pixel perfect dodging bullshit.

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>>173430898
>he hasn't even started the 2nd loop

>>173430480
>Treasure shooters are not easy.
Sure they are. I got an 8-digit score in less than 10 hours of play time. Silvergun was slightly harder but that's only because it's a 90-minute boss rush and your ship's power is tied to scoring. Gradius V was the easiest Gradius game though. And PS2 Silpheed was kusoge. Did I forget any of their other shooting games?

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>>173431139
>he plays cave garbage

>>173431161
First was about Ikaruga, by the way.

>>173431236
DOJ is number one on the greatest of all time list :^)

>>173431161
>Sure they are.
Then why are you so shit at them?
Because you didn't play them and have no idea what you are talking about, cavedrone.

>>173431428
Maybe on the list by try-hard elitists. The real best games are CCWI, Ikaruga, and R-Type.

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>>173431428
>popularity means everything but Ikaruga is shit due to the popularity
Nice logic there cavedrones

>>173431693
>Cave games are by far the most popular
>well loved by all
>Ikaruga is popular
>everyone agrees it's shit
>"You only hate Ikaruga because it's popular!"

>>173431654
>The real best games are CCWI, Ikaruga, and R-Type.
This gentleman knows what's up. Those the real best games. I would also put Gradius on the same level as R-Type though.

>>173432448
>everyone agrees it's shit
Only the cave fanboys agree it's shit.
People like Plasmo, or DKA know how good Ikaruga is, because they are not retarded cave fanboys who engage in dumb tribalism.

>>173432472
i was making fun of you kraut-kun

>>173432607
I know this, but they are still the best games.

>>173432602
the chinks are better than plasmo and they all agree that it's the worst shmup ever made
feel bad for u son

>>173432747
>they all agree
DKA is chinese and Ikaruga is one of his favorties.
You are just talking about cave drones again.

>>173432740
LOL!

>>173432448
>Cave games are by far the most popular
Amongst otakus, yes. People with a life prefer other games.

>>173433061
Guess Tyrian is the best game then

>>173433313
No, Gradius, R-Type, or Ikaruga are the best games. They are ten times more popular than any Cave game.

>>173433484
Not as popular as Tyrian tho therefore shit

>>173433768
Tyrian is not that popular.
Even in the west barely anyone knows it.

>>173433876
Nah it's every normie's favourite, the accursed farms review alone has more views on it than any shmup video you can find barring meme touhou shit

>>173434280
Fuck off, games like Gradius even have an own anime series.
Tyrians popularity is nothing compared to this.

Streaming KAMUI at the moment and I may play CCWI afterwards. Using a mic for the first time on my stream.

twitch tv/infirex

>>173434495
And they are now forgotten because they're archaic shit old games unlike Tyrian which lives on in the heart of normal players not just japanese weirdos because it's the apex of shmup design

>>173432875
the chink who said ikaruga is the worst shmup had over 30 million
he knows better than anyone that it's poopy

>>173434932
DKA also has about 30 mil, just like many others who like the game.
The chink just hates it because he is a cavedrone.

Cavedrones are so butthurt about Ikaruga, because it completely destroyed their favorite game (DOJ) when they both were released at the same time.

Ikaruga? want try it

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>>173431518
>Then why are you so shit at them?
Cool projection, kraut-kun.

>>173435416
Ikarugadrones are so butthurt because they got destroyed when playing the no1 game (DOJ)

>>173436681
Post your scores or gtfo
You said yourself you are shit

>>173437124
Nice projection, cavedrone.
DOJ was archaic garbage compared to Ikaruga. No wonder Ikaruga completely outselled it.

>>173437304
Popstars sell more albums and are more popular than, less known bands. Too bad popstars are mainstream trash meme garbage talentless hacks that appeal to the lowest common denominator.

>>173437492
Pop is the pinnacle of music, fucktard.

>>173437492
Pop is also an own genre.
What do you think the main goal of Ikeda is? It is to sell shooting games.
What was the main goal of Ikaruga? Make money with a shooting game.
Seems like Ikaruga won to me.

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>>173438164
>What was the main goal of Ikaruga? Make money with a shooting game.
>Ikaruga
>shooting game
i'm not so sure......

>>173438275
Requires more shooting skills than caveshit, which are nothing but dodging games.

>>173437304
It outsold it because of marketing and Treasurefag cult, nothing else

>>173438854
You rather mean Cave got ANY sells simply because of blatant otaku pandering.

>>173439014
Nah they sell purely on merit since the marketing is pretty pathetic unlike treasure game which people only bother with because they're made by a meme dev

if ikaruga sold so well how come treasure only made gradius after and cave made tons more after doj

really making me think here

>>173439163
>if cave sells well it just means they are good
>if treasure sells well it's just the marketing

>>173439426
Because Treasure is not a company of dickheads.
Cave is only able to develope shooting games. They are shit at everything else.

>>173439578
>shooting game company develops shooting games
o rly

>>173423081
>there is no record of top guwnage blue scores though
The in game score board is the same so whatever it is isn't higher than counter stop, i'm not entirely sure if it can be stopped or not.

>>173424863
>Fuck daioujou. This shit game is way difficult with all the rng bullshit in it.

Haha what a surprise the kraut starts playing a game just because it won farm vote and he thinks it makes him cool in the community, why don't you try finding games you simply enjoy instead you try hard cock jockey.

>>173439436
Of course it's marketing shit got reviewed by every major publication and every casual pleb lists it as their favourite. That's on top of the fact that Treasure already had a delusional cult following and ties with konami.

>>173439578
>Cave is only able to develope shooting games
cave made an mmo, puzzle games, snowboarding games, racing games, visual novel, and are still making a popular phone game

treasure is as irrelevant as poojin kusoge devs now

LOL

>>173439703
Cave never was just a company to develope shooting games.
They are a company for visual entertainment. It even says so in their name.
However, since they are complete garbage at everything else, they only developed shooting games.
Same reason why they never went 3d. Because they were too dumb for it.

>>173439765
>just because it won farm vote
STFU chav. I played it because I was fed up with Strikers 3 and wanted to play something else.

>>173440069
yeah yeah whatever you say schulz must just be a coincidence in timing right? Lying cunt.

>>173439873
I know that they developed more than just shooting games, fucktard, but they are not good at it.
Not like Taito who made millions with puzzle games. Cave is a fucking irrelevant shit company too dumb for anything.

>>173440225
Go and fuck your ugly mother you chav. You know nothing about me, so just fuck off.
I played the game, because I wanted to play something, and already played everything on my mame install, except cave shit.
And since it is the best caveshit game i have there, I played it.

>>173440240
one cave game is better than all taito and treasure games combined my friend

>>173440368
>You know nothing about me, so just fuck off.
I know you're a pig headed box bodied hyper cunt who thinks he's always right and has the logical capacity of a fucking spastics foot and i also know you started playing doj because it's popularity attracts you just like it did with CCWI you fucking sad disingenuous manlet piss puddle.

>>173440584
>look at my random oh so witty vocabulary
>i am such a creative special snowflake
Have you fucking chav ever had the idea perhaps that I just play popular games, because they tend to be better than unpopular games?

If I just played for popularity, I certainly would not play shmups. I would do speedrunning, like you fucking chav do it.

>>173440843
>dumb chavposter got btfo

>>173440843
>>173440843
>Have you fucking chav ever had the idea perhaps that I just play popular games, because they tend to be better than unpopular games?
>If I just played for popularity, I certainly would not play shmups. I would do speedrunning, like you fucking chav do it.

Translation = Yes you are right i rely on popularity ratings to decide how i will spend my time as i have no thinking capacity of my own and i'm annoyed at myself for being so predictable.

>>173437304
>You said yourself you are shit
where

I'm a huge fan of TGM and Battle Garegga, you know, real thinking man's games. Would Ikaruga be ideal for a highly intelligent individual of refined taste like myself?

>>173442747
>I'm a huge fan of TGM and Battle Garegga
Go away kevinXXL you nutrient hoover.

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>>173442747
Ikaruga is for IGNbabbies who were too retarded to import and experience the far superior Silvergun.

kraut have you tried any raidens?

Wtf kraut doj is the most fixed boss in the whole game and you can easily hyper the last pattern
The stage rely way more on routing than dodging
Also please stop sounding like an angry kinder you just make a fool of yourself

>>173445048
Meant doj boss 3
Fucking phone

>>173434628
Stream's over. Using a microphone was an enjoyable experience despite being clumsy at verbal English. Anyways, I still have a lot to do with both KAMUI and CCWI, but I'm making progress at both of them.

Thanks for watching.

Mecha Ritz is 4.89usd on Steam atm... is it time?

>>173443774
Yes, but only the old ones and Raiden Fighter series.
I like them, but they are tough. Would like liek to play one of the new ones in 3d, but haven't done it yet.

>>173445048
I don't know how good you are at dodging, but I find the dodging in DOJ very difficult. The routing is easy, but dodging these tight as fuck gaps at boss battles sometimes is not easy.

>>173445048
>please stop sounding like an angry kinder
I'm just giving back what I receive here.
If you guys don't want me to constantly shit on cave, then stop shitting on Ikaruga.

I actually think Cave makes pretty good games, but you cavedrones are just annoying.

>>173447329
Have you ever noticed the fact that people only shit on ikaruga when you're sperging out? It's not ikaruga that's the problem, it's your insufferable german faggotry.

>>173447329
Nobody unironically shits on Ikaruga though. Well, except for the chinese superplayer. You being so easily baited to go into full TIDF mode is the reason why people like to shit on their games here, whether or not they mean it. Try to control your temper tantrums and maybe people will respect your opinions more.

>>173447703
>Have you ever noticed the fact that people only shit on ikaruga when you're sperging out?
Cavedrones constantly shit on Ikaruga. Shitting on Ikaruga is a meme to them.

>>173448768
Maybe you just should stfu and mind your business?
If you don't like how I talk here then just gtfo.

Cavedrones are fucking faggots. They are nothing but try-hard elitists and fucking waifufags. They are fucking cancer.

Ikaruga is shit

>>173450221
Hardly anyone would talk about ikaruga ever if it wasn't for your childlike fits because it's a mediocre forgettable game lmao

>>173450569
Worst game of all time honestly.

Why can't we all just get along

>>173450615
Cavedrones are obsessed with Ikaruga. They constantly bring it up, even though nobody even mentioned it.

>>173450678
Because cavedrones are here. They are fucking subhuman faggots on the same level as fucking Touhou tards.

>>173450752
Nope, it's practically never mentioned or discussed until you go on a shitposting rampage because it's not worth discussing

>>173450902
Stop lying, every cavedrone literally has an ikaruga punishing bag in their basmément.
They are so butthurt about it, that they can't think of anything else anymore.

>>173451161
Is that what you tell yourself to justify your assburger induced rage? kek

>>173451215
I don't have to justify anything. Shitting on you retards here is just a sport to me.

>>173451309
In terms of emotional investment yeah

>>173451483
How do you wanna know about my emotions?
Because I use words like fuck or faggot, on an imageboard or what?
LMAO

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I liked Ikaruga. I imported it back when it first came out for the Dreamcast (I had 3 modified DCs) and it was super exciting. I had a really good friend back then and we made a deal to learn how to full chain every other stage and the plan was to pass the controller back and forth and finish the game with full chains.

I started learning stage 1 and he was supposed to learn 2. I learned the first stage and I had fun doing it, even though it was frustrating at first. He only learned the first third of the second stage though and eventually dropped out of trying. I picked up the second stage on my own and when I was almost at the point that I had full chain I just kind of stopped trying. Mostly because it felt less fun knowing that I was doing it by myself instead of with my friend like was intended.

I haven't touched Ikaruga since but I still have fond memories of it (especially the music). I also still talk to that friend but it is probably 2-3 times a month at best. Such is life.

But it is okay because Patchy fills the void

>>173453083
>2017
>having """"""""friends""""""""
AYYLMAO

>>173453460
>when it first came out for the Dreamcast
>I had a really good friend back then

Anyone wanna be my friend? No cavedrones pls

>>173451706
I'd tell you but then I'd risk making you more self aware let's just say it's easy to tell if you're not on the spectrum

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>>173453083
>faggot friend bails before you can clear a game together
Every time. I hope he didn't do it to play dota at least.

>>173454356
..EverQuest

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I've never played Ikaruga, but I've never said anything bad about it either.

>>173454169
Just fuck off and jerk to your cartoons again, cavedrone

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Bump

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>m-muh cavedrones

>>173462214
>filename
got a laff out of me gj

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>2017 anno domini
>he hasn't taken the raidenpill

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>>173458157
Gladly

>>173463351
>being this new

>>173424863
It's a hard game, but not because of RNG bullshit.

If I can clear it, you can clear it.

>>173469234
It's merely hard because of pixel gaps to dodge through.
Otherwise it's easy as shit.

>>173470254
t.kusoplayer

What shmup will you be playing as we all die in the nuclear apocalypse from WW3?

>>173470254
Funny, I found myself rarely, if ever, having to actually dodge. But then, I had a route I was following.

>>173471280
Lying cunt. The game is full of dodging...

>>173471356
Do you think I got the 1-all by moving erratically? The only times I had to dodge were when I fucked up, otherwise I knew where I needed to go to be safe. It's especially helpful in stage 4.

>>173471551
>The only times I had to dodge were when I fucked up
You are completely exaggerating. You constantly have to dodge also with routes.
The whole game is just about micro dodging.

>>173471356
>The game is full of dodging...
Not him but if you have to frequently dodge, you're playing 100% wrong.

>>173472197
Of course, i just play wrong, you actually play through both loops without any dodging at all!

>>173471356
Not really, outside of bosses game's static as shit and is mostly streaming, only some parts of level 4 and 5 have patterns that require tight dodging the rest gives you gaps wider than the entirety of your ship much less the actual hitbox.

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Stop playing shmups blindly and work on your routes.

Mecha Ritz SR is on sale http://store.steampowered.com/app/463070/

Does the shmupmame support Futari if I were to find it somewhere?

>>173421919
this, just checking someone's replay won't hurt, just to make sure you aren't missing something important, people watched each other play in the arcade after all. nothing is wrong from learning from others, but literally copying sounds like autism.

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If I play this boring shit game so wrong, when am I already at the endboss after only 15 hours of practice? Fucking boring.

You retards are just completely exaggerating. I use routes and stick to them, but it's still full of tight dodges, which is annoying as fuck. Literally artificial difficult

>>173474589
>dodging is artificial difficulty
Fuckin retard lmao

>>173474830
Making your gaps as tight as a pixel, surely is.

Thing, the routing is simple as fuck in this game, that's why they had to make difficult by making the gaps tighter, because actually interesting routes would require good level design.

>>173470673
Metal Black

>>173474973
Not really, that's the equivalent of saying that rhythm games are artificial difficulty simply because they demand tight execution, it's retarded crybaby shit. There's also barely any tight gaps in the game unless you create them with piss poor streaming

>>173475223
Rhythm games are not games anyway, they are QTE fests. You can't even compare them.

>>173475223
>There's also barely any tight gaps
Stage 2 boss has toight gaps, stage 3 has big ships give fairly tight gaps, stage 3 mid-boss can give tight gaps if you are unlucky, right before the boss of stage 3 you literally have only a fucking pixel of savespot otherwise you have to bomb, stage 3 boss is full of tight gaps, stage 4 is full of it, stage 5 is full of it, etc etc.

Stop lying. The game is full of tight dodging.

>>173475574
>Rhythm games are not games anyway
Dumb faggot
Bosses yeah but bosses which don't demand tight execution but only memorization are boring as fuck
>stage 3 has big ships give fairly tight gaps
What you mean the ones that send 3 lines of bullets?
>right before the boss of stage 3
The fuck are you talking about? The popcorn rush? You can stream their bullets to make it very easy and consistent to dodge. The big towers? You don't have to dodge much there, you just have to cancel the bullets before they trap you.
>stage 4 is full of it
Not really, there's some turrets near the beginning, the 1-UP section and the bullshit moving turrets near the end otherwise it's just streaming
>stage 5
Yeah sort of, but that's the final level what do you expect?

>>173475984
>look how hardcore I am for acting like there are no tight dodges in this game
Sure thing anon, we all know you could play it blindfolded

>>173476178
>strawmanning this hard
There are a few instances of them here and there but the game isn't about micrododging that's just outright lies.

>>173476475
It's not much about micro dodging FOR CAVE STANDARTS, but in general IT FUCKING IS

>>173474589
>>173475574
It's laughable that you're making claims about how tight the dodging is while you're still playing the first fucking loop. Compared to the second loop you have acres of space to dodge in between bullets.

>>173476846
>mammy look how hardcore I am at vidya on the internet XD

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>>173476998
Nice argument, fag.

>>173476614
Compared to fucking what, Flying Shark? Sure it has more instances of tight micrododging but you're bullshitting if you think the game is all about pixel perfect dodging because it really isn't most of the time. You're off your damn rocker kraut go to bed

>>173477108
>implying edge posts need counter arguments

>>173477172
>Compared to fucking what
Compared to CCWI for example.
CCWI original was not so full of tight pixel perfect dodging, it was about routing.
Only the tlb needed very good dodging, otherwise it was just routing.

>>173477203
How was I being "edgy" you fucking moron? I was pointing out the fact that you haven't even seen the extent of how tight the dodging is in the game and you're already bitching about it.

>>173477317
>it was about routing.
Just like DOJ.