/civ4xg/ - Strategy/4X General

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>>173124863
You sunk my battleship.

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>>173124736
i'd like to ask a question. this is probably my favorite video game genre. The only game that I played though in the genre was Star General for DOS.

Basically it's turn based strategy, but you can control air and land units. So you have massive carrier ships and convoys that battle other convoys and then you can fight land battles on whatever planets you control or gain control of.

What is the closest game to this within the last decade?

>>173125018
Maybe Star Wars : Empire at War, but it's not turn based and it's pretty shallow.

>>173125018
It depends, do you want turn based or rts. Sins of a Solar Empire is a good space rts. Or empire at war like >>173125158 said.

Turn based you have Civ Beyond Earth but it was very bad I heard.

>>173125230
Sins of a Solar Empire doesn't have ground battles like he said, it's just bombardements.

>>173125230
>>173125158
i prefer turn based. i'm too old for the apm based rts :(

>>173125315
Yeah your rigth. What games let's you control individual ships because hardly any game let's you let's you do that.

>>173125413
Well, I can't really help you, I can't stand turn based games. They always make me fall asleep.

BTW Guys.
Can you normally purge or send some part of the conquered species to butchers but not all?
Like can you divide them and make some slaves some battle thralls etc.
Or it all is now ruled by population/specie menu?

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>>173125501
hahaha no one has time or patience for it, that's the problem. but it is objectively the superior genre.

>>173125520
Well, turn based games usually have more depth to them, and since you get to stop and look at details, you can actually see the effects of optimizing your units loadout or a new hero, and that's pretty cool.

It's just, you know. You wait, you spam that new turn button to get that trebuchet built, and then you see that while you focused on your trebuchet, a town was infiltrated by slavers who raped the men, abducted the widows, and killed the childrens.

Would any anons be interested in a multiplayer Stellaris game? I'm curious to see if it's as fun as HoI4 ends up being against humans.

>>173126261
I don't know, I only play with retards and scrubs.

>>173100880
I thought they used "ab urbe condita" for proper dating

>>173125230
> Turn based you have Civ Beyond Earth but it was very bad I heard.

Man who sunk too many hours into Beyond Earth here.

It is not VERY bad, it's just that once you get into it in any depth you realise how shoddily designed and unbalanced it is.

It's better than Stellaris in the sense that it remains fun for longer than "the midgame of your first playthrough" but once you come to realise the squandered promise of the game you are left feeling viscerally angry, unlike Stellaris where you just end up feeling bored.

Are habitats going to make building tall viable?

>>173125504
No.
In 1.5 you can't elect to purge single pops. It's the whole species or nothing.
Which is annoying as I always let the ayy lmaos that have my ethics live.
My Stalinist Penguins are interested in politicide, not genocide. But, of course, >Swedes only understand two poles, "Fanatic xenophile live-and-let-live hippies" and "Suffer Not The Xeno To Live Literally Hitler".

>>173126816
I fucking hope not.

Tall SHOULDN'T be viable in a game about space imperialism.

There's already not enough strategic reasons to go to war in Stellaris. If you can literally build your own lebensraum at home there'll be even less.

On the plus side my understanding is that the devs say the answer to your question is indeed "No". Tall won't be as good as wide. Habitat construction is construed more as "something to do while you wait for the treaty cooldown to hit 10 years" rather than an actual strategy.

>>173127080
>what I don't like shouldn't be viable
>only MY way of playing is viable, everything I dislike doesn't make sense

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>>173126816
Yes

>>173127165
Hey, if you think a frozen diplomatic sutuation where nobody has any reason to DoW and you just sit there turtling for 300 years is a fun game, then power to you.
Unfortunately, I am not a droid.

>>173127165
Not him, but you missed the point. It's not about playstile in a vacuum, it's about it being part of the whole of the game.

Truly "tall" playstyle encourages you to sit in your base and do nothing but build it up. That means you might as well not be part of the enviropment but a shitty version of fallen empire.

Good implementation of "tall" either encourage interaction trough non-standard means or simply function as a more top heavy wide empires that use "tall" as a way to outdo their more reckless and expansive opponents and take their shit.

>>173125657
not quite sure what you're talking about. when i think of a strategy game, i think of something where a military genius would excel once he understands the mechanics of the game. But you can have the most brilliant strategy, if you don't have the reaction speed or whatever it is that you need to micro hundreds of units simultaneously, then you won't be good.

with turn based strategy, you can win based off superior strategy, hence the name STRATEGY game. RTS has strategy elements but it's more who can click faster, which i find less entertaining as I get older.

don't get me wrong though, I do play RTS (starcraft, warcraft, age of empires etc.), but it just doesn't satisfy me the way a nice game of age of wonders 2 does, for example.

>>173126720
why do people pretend to be retarded on the internet?
do they not realize it is detrimental to everyone in the long run

>>173127425
>Not him, but
So you're him. Gotcha back, senpai.

>dyson spheres are four times worse in terms of mineral cost per energy per month than worst energy mining station
WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

>>173126889
Hm I do think there are some loopholes like purging only peopel that are in a certain caste-with that said it is borderline retarded.

>>173127451
I'm saying that I find turn-based games interesting in theory, but a pain in the ass to play and that they're boring as fuck.

>>173127080
>>173127425

Tall shouldn't be literally just turtle in your first 1-3 systems and win the game after X amount of turns. If the resource system was revamped, as many Anons have suggested before, then trading or war would be important to grab those resources for tall playstyles.

However if you honestly can't imagine a game world where expansive aggressive armies can win through size and power but there are some utopian worlds where beings have advanced their culture and mastery of their own space that they go beyond the warmongers then I pity you. Both should be totally valid playstyles.

>>173127206
I don´t agree with everything WIZ does... but thank god, we are on the same page regarding soft/hard lock.

Giving everyone, everything is horrible design. Same type of peopel that would want factions in Total War be nothing but reskins.

>>173127206
I won't be able to have robots AND psi at the same time?

Will I still be able to build megastructures if I go full psionic?

>>173128279
Megastructures are their own thing.
The only exclusive ones are the 3 ascension paths.

Tall is a meme but it's a grand meme.

The issue is that people like to replicate the real life successful "tall" empires like Venice or Netherlands or Papal state and what not. But in real life those entities only existed because unlike games, real life doesn't have a nation wide win condition. If such a thing existed no tall nations would have never existed as neighboring blob would have just absorbed them ages ago.

Instead games should focus on centralized vs decentralized as their primary differentiation. More land and resources should always be better but the way each nation exploits those resources.

>>173127606
>WHAT WERE THEY THINKING

"Players are calling us out on our shit implementation of economics, how in the late game they literally can't spend their money fast enough because there's nothing to spend it on once planets are upgraded other than dakka"
"Hmm. Maybe we should add diverse internal trade mechanics? More interesting external expense options? Provide better civil war mechanics so blobs don't get so big that they snowball so easily? At least we should rebalance the current time-distribution of resource acquisition."
"Nah, fuck it, that sounds too much like hard work. Just put the Kiel Canal in and call it a day"

>>173128481
Tall only makes sense if there are very advanced economy system, with production of high tech goods and so on.
Stellaris economy is more primitive than in Starcraft

>>173128617
Well economy is one thing.
The other one would be culture.

>>173128481
>implying that Venice or Netherlands wasn't wide
Venice trade net spread from South Africa to India, when Dutch were all over the world from Baltic to Indonesia.
They weren't sitting on their asses at home building 'advance technology' they spread over the world to trade and gather monopolies on rare resources. Not even mention fleet size.

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>1 more day

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Anyone know how kill the Armageddon Bombardment fleet stance is going to be?

>>173128983
Yes tall empires are quite commonly seen having great trade power.
Venice is literally the definition of a tall country

>>173128794
I can't really remember any particularly small but efficient country with strong culture
Japan is not really small
Most prominent examples of "tall" states - Hong-Kong and Singapore aren't exactly famous for their original culture

>>173129148
But they were wide.
Not on land but on sea.
Venice have plenty of islands, military bases and trade posts under control everywhere and their agents even work in India competing with Portugal.

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>>173129104
>Anyone know how kill the Armageddon Bombardment fleet stance is going to be?

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>>173129060

>>173129262
So you just pretending to be retarded?

>>173129308
It was only after I hit "Post" that I saw that I typed "kill" instead of "killy".

Basically I want to know on a scale of 1 to Exterminatus how fucked the surface of a planet and its denizens will be with the Fanatical Purifier exclusive bombardment option is gonna be. Though I think you can get it by spending unity into the Supremacy tree as well.

>>173129254
I guess I was being nebulous.
I feel culture could be great (regardless of the tall/wide)
For tall religion could be massive. Things like Holy Worlds or the seat of a living prophet etc.

That said, I don´t think religion should be something they should focus on (with so much other stuff still missing)

>>173129308
I think he means "killy," an Orky way of saying "deadly." As for his question, I've got no clue. I hope it can make worlds into tomb worlds.

so can i rely on you fine folks to post the DL link for Utopia when it releases? that way i don't have to go through a wild goose chase to find it

>>173129551
Something like space Vatican?

>>173129395
Nope but do you?
Tall in Stellaris gonna sit on their asses and do nothing because there is no real trade or diplomacy or spy game.
Tall in real life rely on trade to gain power.
Look at all of this trade republics - all of them have wide trade ports/bases network even if they do not belong to them directly.
Venice controlled plenty of ports in Mediterranean, islands and have their own districts in plenty of not controlled cities.
Can you do that in Stellaris?
There is no religions so you can not become Vatican either.
You do not produce any high advance goods, heck you can not even sell ships so no today Japan/SK.
The only way to become tall in Stellaris is to exploit the lack of pop/planet tech penalty.

>>173129675
Yes Space Vatican,Space Meca,Space Jerusalem etc. That said not every species should be religious- some should be pretty much impossible to convert as well.

Founding your own religion could be neat.
Especially if they go down the route that your species could have some level of warp gestalt.

>>173129723
What are you even talking about? I haven't even mentioned stellaris but just talking about general concepts
How is Venice a tall empire when compared to France or Russia or literally any European power trough the ages.

>>173129563
>>173129478
Wiz said it was orbital bombardment++, with no special events. So just a faster bombardment

>>173129994
What bothers me with Civ is that the most developped towns have all the stuff. You never get a great artist being born in a small town, it's always the capital.

>>173129723
>>173129994

Are you just ...talking past each other ?

I mean regardless of the historical side.
Stellaris needs more of ..."everything" to make tall really worthwhile.

>>173130114
It seems like a simple fix too, just make great person civ-wide instead of city-wide

>>173130242
Yeah. Wasn't Jerusalem kind of a shitty place before Jesus appeared there?

>>173130209
Well he quotes my posts but talks about something else, it's hard to say what he means.
I'm just talking about how the very idea of "tall" is retarded and should be shifted to centralized vs decentralized.

>>173130350
Centralized vs decentralized.
Decentralized could be amazing... IF sectors would work in a satisfying manner.

I really, really like the idea of having almost indpendent sectors.

Could add a lot of flavour as well. You know sectors trying to break off ...or sucking up to the core worlds.

>>173130575
why are you quoting my post?

>>173130575
You mean like provinces and autonomy in EU4?

>>173127876
not unless you mod it, which I'm sure people will quickly do since there are multiple scifi that have both robots and psi(star wars to dont look far).

>>173130350
I am talking how idea of tall is retarded because 'tall' empires were really wide just in other way than normal wide empires were wide.
Well so there is nothing to fight about.
You are still a faggot.

>>173130806
>scifi
>star wars
Citation Needed.

But seriously it seems to be such a strange thing to break tech tree over. Of all the space fantasy tropes Stellaris employs, it's so bizzare to see this one bit be so deterministic.

>>173130915
You are just misusing words. You create an impossible definition and then argue that no such things existed which is pointless in itself.

>>173130021
And with a higher propability to kill pos right?

>>173129859
I'm reminded of Emperor of the Fading suns which had two NPC factions, Holy Terra (religion) and The League (merchants). Holy Terra was made up of many sub-factions based around different sects of a religion while The League was a massive merchant guild that supposedly was the supplier of high tech goods and military equipment. Diplomacy in that game was a huge component because of how the main victory condition was gathering enough votes to become declared emperor and promising favors to the minor factions was how to get their vote.

I wonder how this could be done in Stellaris. Religion for one but merchant guild? Maybe the option to sell ships and armies for the other? They're adding consumer goods in 1.5 so maybe some kind of tech or arrangement of factories that increases the efficiency of consumer good production so they can be sold at a profit. If wormhole generators could be built in larger sizes and allowed to be used by other factions then permission of wormholes could be traded. Like a "large" wormhole station consuming 4x power (1.0) and having twice the range, a "huge" station consuming 4 energy and having 4x the range. Other factions paying twice the energy cost to use it.

>>173131052
But anon a faggot is a real word.

>>173130915
>'tall' empires were really wide just in other way than normal wide empires were wide.
lmao you mean 'tall' empires were wide in the vertical sense

>>173131080
Dont think wiz said anything about that.

>>173130951
>star wars
>not sci-fi

what other film has a realistic depiction of what translight speeds would actually look like?

>>173131052
The "Tall" empires rely/ied on monopolies, production, trade and control of trade routes.
Which is impossible in Stellaris as none of above exist.
No trade
No production of goods
No trade routes
No monopolies
You can make tall in CK2 or EU4 but not in Stellaris.

>>173131414
No one is talking about stellaris

>>173131368
Now I'm sad

>>173131406
None.
Translight is non realistic.

>>173131502
>whats is the fi in scifi

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>>173130951
Star Wars is certainly scifi. It isnt hard scifi but Stellaris isn't one either.

>>173131843
Nah, man, star wars is space fantasy. There is nothing wrong with being space fantasy, but calling it scifi is misleading, because there is nothing scientific about it.

>>173131843
Exactly scifi is a VERY broad term.
I would argue the majority of scifi in popular culture is not hard scifi.

You have to actually look for realism in sci-fi.

fanatic pacifists
materialists

intelligent
thrifty
weak
sedentary

idyll agrarians
machinists

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seems like a better way to push for the national unity + superstructure build

>>173132014
Is stellaris sci-fi?

>>173132132
The game where it's easier to build an FTL engine than a rail gun? Of course not.

So there doesn't seem to be any benefits of making ring-worlds instead to making several habitats., besides alien-phallic-appendage waving. You can't even repair broken ring worlds you find.

On point, is there any news on ring worlds having unique buildings like habitats do or will we still be making mining facilities on our artificial ring construct?

>>173125413
>Sins came out 10 years ago
>too old for Sins

Damn nigga must suck being 50

>>173132132
It is but it's definitely soft sci fi. It's science is technically internally consistent, with vague explainations for how shit works, but that doesn't change the fact that quite a bit of it is outright impossible and makes concessions in order to be a interesting and fun game where it's possible to resolve interstellar wars in the time frame of months and years as opposed to decades, centuries or even millennia.

It's about the same spot Mass Effect is. Instead of Element Zero and manipulating mass in some hand wave way, it's your choice of FTL and ships with enough power to freely maneuver in space with no regards to orbit and crossing solar systems in a couple of weeks. It also has some soft sci fi staples, like psychic powers or ships closing and firing directly on each other without light lag being a thing, while ignoring hard sci fi stuff like relativistic kill vehicles that could obliterate whole planets or how any meaningful trade between planets would be ludicrous without technology that would essentially render such trade moot.

>>173125018
>within the last decade
none
not a single good space 4x has come out in the last decade.

>>173127451
AOW2 is shit. Shadow Magic and 3 are better.

>>173125413
Give Sins a try. It's a significantly slower paced RTS with a neat setting and mechanics.

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I just want to say that whoever mentioned The Deathworlders when I said I was genemodding my humans to be strong, it was much appreciated. I've never read it before and I'm really enjoying it.

>>173129723
Wide means they've got a lot of land or a lot of planets you fucking idiot

>>173130348
It was always shitty

It just happened that 3000 years ago a wandering nation of semites claiming their god wanted them to own it appeared and made it their capital. And then thousands of years later people distantly related to those semites worshiping what may be the same god now have their capital there, and several other religions and nations claim that city as being equally holy for them and desire it despite it not having any real value.

And this brings us an important thought- you probably shouldn't be allowed to make your capital your holiest city when founding a religion, or it should unlock specific traits like having a centralized priesthood.

>>173132837
https://www.patreon.com/HamboneHFY

>1500 dollars per chapter released

Fucking hell

>>173129254
>Japan is not really small
"Tall" is basically about density of productivity.
So germany and japan are classic "tall" examples because they are the most productive given their land area.
And they export culturally because they are strong economically

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>>173133308
I'm doing everything all wrong

>>173133308
>>173132837
>deathworlders

Sounds like that one HFY story about how earth was located in a part of space called the "zone of madness" or something where all intelligent species engaged in suicidal wars that wiped themselves out due to being fucked up by space rays or something and that humans were mysteriously the only species not to be affected.

I guess it also sounds like he's read Zombo, the story about space zombies that attack humans because of sentient "Deathworlds" that fucking hate sapient creatures.

What time does Utopia go live?

>>173133361
The bulk of historically non-shit East Asian and European nations are tall. South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Germany, France, the UK etc. are all tall. China is wide, the USA is wide, Russia is wide.

And then some countries are just shit, like Poland.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmnCKftMbPw

Post fitting songs that you've added to the gamefiles in preparation for Utopia, anons.

>>173133486
9 AM EST

>>173130951
The problem is the tech tree itself.
For a strategy game, ie a 4x, choosing techs is one way to create strategic choices. eventually, everyone gets end tech, but between the start of the game and that point is hours of strategic decison making.
Stellaris doesnt have any strategic decision making, so a basic 4x tech tree is pointless. Wiz is trying to "roleplayify" a system that only has a strategic gameplay application, but is totally redundant.
in a nutshell, stellaris is fundamentally fucked, and nothing will fix it except a complete overhaul

>>173133712
So in short, wait for Stellaris 2.

>>173133801
i certainly would not ask anyone to wait that i didnt hate with all my being

will there ever be a proper trading system in Stellaris?

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>>173129563

>>173133361
>Germany is tall

Here's a guy who doesn't know shit about Europe or why the creation of Germany was such a big deal. A better example would have been the UK or Portugal back when it had colonies. Another good non-euro example is Singapore. I could even argue the Greek city states of Antiquity were "tall." Canada is also a maybe, because while they do have a vast amount of land, their population is almost entirely located in a few provinces/metro areas and yet they have a much larger impact on culture, science, economics, and diplomacy than other nations of the same population.

>>173134073
Im talking about now, not what happened 3 or 20 centuries ago
I dont even think city states can count under this paradigm. Especially not in the 21 century.

>>173133308
>50k words
>$1.5k
Crackers.
>Some guy is making $50k with fucking podcasts
I need to step up my game.

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>Unity cost for next trait goes up by 25% for each new world you colonize

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>>173135634
>when you lose a world and the enemy purges all pops and you resettle the world, your count goes up by one and you get an additional penalty
Guarantee it will work like this

>>173135296
The problem is I have no idea what I could make that could get cunts to pay me a thousand bucks (collectively) every time I put out

>>173135967
Losing a world is sure to shake your empire unity though, so it would make sense.

>>173136328
You could whore out your boipussy to /gsg/

Is there any way to inrease chances of war in heaven? Is there a chance that awakened in my game will be just some pacifist pussies that don´t do anything entire game? I need to know because utopia released tomorrow and I don´t want a boring galaxy without anything happening

>>173136328
>every time you 'put out'
acquire aids and sell your shit to bugchasers

>>173136328
You need to be "controversial". In other words, a retard nazi but who always make sense.
Say stupid crap like "this game sucks!" or "Niggers are subhumans!" or "we need different phenotypes for humans", but then explain yourself properly so that SJWs have no rebuttal beside "I don't like what you say so shut up", but never recognize them. Always act like your audience agree with you, even if 60% of the comments are calling you a moron.

>>173136671
I tend to trigger wars in heaven, awakening, by having a 100k in fleet power and forcing some other sizeable empire to become my vassal. Every single game I've managed to get a 8+ planet empire to become my vassal when I've got 100k in fleet power every damn fallen empire awakens and it starts the war in heaven. Even if it's just 2310.

>>173133705

>9 AM EST

Why? Paradox is a Swedish company isn't it? Why isn't it 9am Euro time. What a joke. Fucking Americans.

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>>173137034

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>>173137034
Get rekt old world shitters

>>173137381
That guy's jaw is so square I'd presume a birth defect.

>>173133705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZDJUTYDiq8

>>173137468
t. soft chinned Swede

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>>173133705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iFkbyajVWR8
Im listening to this song nonstop while playing stellaris

>>173133705
does anyone remember

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pKMk9tDPE2s

>>173137556
I didn't realize Canada had a large Norwegian population.

>>173137381
A FUCKING LEAF

>>173137985
I'm actually a Polish/Irish mutt

>>173138509
I'm actually an attack helicopter.

>>173138509
Why the fuck did you attack the poor, pickled herring eating Swedes then?

>>173137468
>That guy's jaw is so square I'd presume a birth defect.
It's weird how much estrogen pollution has affected men, to the point they can't even recognize what men looked like in earlier times.

>>173128540
>giving constructive feedback
banned

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>see portrait modders getting around animating their custom portraits by using vanilla animations as a skeleton
>want to try it myself
>realize I can't make digital art worth shit

h-help

>>173138968
>earlier times
Yeah, and they used to live for over 900 years and jump over mud hots in a single bound before collapsing of a mix of polio and dysentery.

>>173132014
it most definitely is sci fi

>>173138687
He is from /pol/land(at last in half) what you expect?

>>173139059
Take other people's art and fuck around with it in photoshop or whatever.

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>>173139361
I want to make something in my head appear in reality, anon, not change levels and saturation of other people's works

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>>173137034
its cause ppl that go to work and earn money come back at 4 pm and get to play then, americucks need to take the whole day off.

>>173139503
Then you better start learning how, boyo.
I sure as hell can't be assed improving myself so I hope you have better luck and work ethic.

>>173139361
Comission it, nigga.

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>>173133705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZRD-mr7AHyw

And some other stuff by Dvořák

>>173139516

That's stupid, why not release it for 9am CET so that it releases at 2/3am American time?

>>173139516
>Noldor
would you like some of my Qualis gems

>>173137974
oh shit is that remix of starship troopers?

>>173137034
Modern day Euros love getting cucked apparently

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Are there any OP Civ 6 leader and map settings combinations besides naval civs and nu-archipelago?

I want to get my Inca-mountainous fix.

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>>173140532
NO

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conquest:_Frontier_Wars

>>173133705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6DhAAGZVAVo
>>173137763
based

did anyone play after the empire yet? how do you rike it?

>>173140532
It might as well be

>>173132794
Not him, but just because games take longer than other RTS doesn't mean it's not too frantic to be enjoyable for some people, myself included.

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Is there anything more sudden and fortuitous early game than finding a relic in a village?

>>173127606
Well it's not like you're going to build a dyson sphere when you still have places to build energy mining stations. They're for breaking the "cap" on production imposed by your territorial constraints.

>>173128540
This is a stopgap implemented as part of the patch that's mostly about factions and politics. They can't do everything at once. I'm sure there's a plan for some kind of trade even though (based on Paradox's previous games) it'll probably be gamey and stupid.

>>173135634
At least this penalty actually makes sense, moreso than tech. Still a fucking ludicrous number, but that's Paradox for you.

>>173135967
Wait

>>173135634
Specifically when you colonize? So it's better to conquer a world and replace its population to dodge the penalty? It's not just 25% per additional world?

>>173137381
>Métis dude wearing his beads to church
kek

>>173140381
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BDOiQDvjuuc

THIS

>>173133705
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBPK_oXeJgA

>all these songs
Somebody ought to make a zip file for lazy people.

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>>173133705
So what time is 9 am EST in Swedish time then?

tfw no robot hivemind.

>>173143681
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=what+time+is+9+am+EST+in+Swedish+time

>>173143681
It´s going to release at 4pm in central europe

>>173143681
check the store, it says release is in 21 hours.

>>173144191
Nice, I finish my workshift 15:30 so I'll be home just in time for Utopia!

>>173144532
But let´s be honest. It´s going to be so bugged that we will probably get a playable version week later

>>173144524
I presume Banksy-patch will be released at the same time?

>>173144606
Don't destroy expectations, please. I'm a sad fuck who's been looking forward to this for a couple of weeks now! This is the only thing I have...

>>173144616
you'd assume so, yes. Utopia interacts with Banks, so it's reasonable to assume they release at the same time, or Banks even earlier.

>>173144685
Nigga I was putting of playing the game because I didn´t want to burn myself out since fucking december

>>173137381
Based leaf

>>173144616
Yes, that's how they work.

>>173132190
>People still can't distinguish between hard and soft SF
lol

>>173145619
>Hard and soft
>Not science-fiction and fantasy-fiction

>>173144986
Same here
Stopped since they dropped the horizon signal update in december.

(No Idea how people have 1000hours in stellaris) This is coming from someone who actually likes it a fair bit.

>>173145804
>fantasy-fiction
the word you're looking for is science-fantasy.

>>173145619
hard SF is SF I like
soft SF is SF you like

>>173128983
>They weren't sitting on their asses at home building 'advance technology'
what are joint stock companies?

>>173129060
ANOTHER DAY ANOTHER DESTINY

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>>173127736
But the vic condition is still "control 2/3 of space" , right? So ultimately, everyonne must build wide to win. AAlso, habitats can be built by a wide empire just as easily, can't they?
So really, it's silly to pretend there's a "tall" strategy in Stellaris at all, habitats and dysons and rings just let you make lemonade from your lemons.
Maybe they should implemet a tech or cultural or ascension victory, or make a galactic senate to allow a political victory, if they want tall to be even slightly viable.You know, like every other 4x game has .

>>173145804
>fantasy-fiction
So Lord of the Rings is in the same genre as Halo?

>>173145989
>(No Idea how people have 1000hours in stellaris) This is coming from someone who actually likes it a fair bit.
Im pretty sure I would have 500 hours by now at least if I didn´t put off playing it

>>173145619
Soft SF still has pretense at scientific basis. Star Trek is a good example, plenty bullshit fake sscience, but it's still trying to provide veneer of scientific justification. Works like SW and Stellaris, do not even pretend to give a shit or use it as a referenece point. They are essencialy build out of tropes, not out of technology.

Because Death Star is not a space station, its a fucking castle with one great weakness, IN SPACE!

Nothing wrong with it, just don't pretend that it isnt.

>>173146348
>But the vic condition is still "control 2/3 of space" , right? So ultimately, everyonne must build wide to win
This is one of the fundamental problems with Stellaris, there shouldn't be win conditions and there should be more to do in the late game. The game should end at the year 3,000, not when someone colonizes their 40th planet.

>>173146356
They both have rings, don't they?

>>173146470
I'm afraid that I'm unaware of an SF series that is, by that definition, 'hard.'

>>173146470
So? What's your statement? We know SW id's just the monomyth in space. every 14yo with access to the web does.

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>>173146494

>>173146595
Not him but Journey to the Centre of the Earth was "hard" fiction at the time, as to the best of scientific knowledge at the time that's what they thought was true.

How do you defend against early rushes in Civ 6? I don't know if I'm just worst at Civ 6 or if it's significantly harder to defend early on in Civ 6. They have so many units and if they have a UU then it is game over.

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>>173146858
So it's a contingent term that changes its meaning when scientific consensus changes? Sounds pretty soft to me. :^)

>>173146951
No, JttCotE is still hard sci-fi because it was fine when written, that's like saying fantasy stories about armies with full iron plate stop being fantasy just because they became possible three thousand years later.

>>173145989
>(No Idea how people have 1000hours in stellaris)
901 here, I don't know how I did it and I'm ashamed of myself.

>>173146595
Eclipse Phase comes to mind. Only other thing I can think of is Float Shift, which is a small story by a small author. Other than that, there's just the Jules Verne stuff, or cyberpunk, which were science fiction of the time but isn't scientifically accurate in modern times.

>>173147080
So the Baghavad Gita is hard SF?
>>173147204
>cyberpunk
>Hard SF
Have you actually read Neuromancer?

>>173146951
Yes, the term for it is a soft (also known as "relative") term. That's not really relevant to the discussion though.

>>173147246
>So the Baghavad Gita is hard SF?
The Baghavad Gita is mythology. I don't think it's meaningful to use science fiction as a term until modern, systemic science became a thing.

>>173147313
I'm afraid I don't understand why.
>>173147319
I don't think it's accurate to use mythology as a term until non-pagan, theological religion became a thing.

>>173146356
Halo is literally fantasy with spaceships though, is not more "science" that 40k.

>>173147430
>Halo is literally fantasy with spaceships though
wat

>failed to create a graphics device
why I'm suddenly getting this error? stellaris was working fine before I went to sleep yesterday

>>173147404
>I don't think it's accurate to use mythology as a term until non-pagan, theological religion became a thing.
And...why is that? Because "science" was simply not a topic until it because organized at that time. There was no such thing as thinking the entire universe could be systematically understood, for the most part, and the people who believed it possible were not generally convinced of the existence or at least relevance of gods i.e. mythology - in other words, it has no scientific consensus.

>>173147246
Science fiction can't exist independently of science, which is not the same as "an understanding of the world". You could argue that some things such as the Greek tales of Atlantis were science fiction, but the term breaks down if you try to pull it away from the modern era.

>>173147404
>I'm afraid I don't understand why.
Even if there's some ambiguity as to what constitutes a rock (as opposed to a mineral or something) that doesn't mean granite isn't hard.

>I don't think it's accurate to use mythology as a term until non-pagan, theological religion became a thing.
I think you might be mis-translating terms from your native language. "Mythology" is a faith-agnostic term in English.

>>173147532
Explain why is science-fiction then.

>>173147110
No need to feel that way...I am just pretty sure Stellars will be "better" down the line. So I

>>173147797
Because it has spaceships and guns and aliens and computers

>>173147941
Not him but Indians had starships in their legends too.

>>173148006
Which is why I suggested that the Baghavad Gita counts as a form of soft SF. I'm not nearly the first to make this claim, either.

>>173147941
Three things that already exist and one that isn't consistent with modern science?

>>173148064
And I say it doesn't, because science fiction is fiction that uses science, not just anything that's advanced, unless you think D&D's Clone spell is suddenly sci-fi when people succeed in making replacement bodies.
The Gita has the gods having these huge artifacts, not something you can explain - or make - by study of the world.

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>>173146494

>>173148064
>I'm not nearly the first to make this claim, either.
Have a peer reviewed citation that might make the argument better than you're doing right now?

>>173147941
Ok, so we pick the Lord of the Rings, and we replace the eagles with F-35 and Legolas bow with an m16, oh, and from now on we call the orcs "xenos".
Lord of the Saturn Rings, the new unique sci-fi novel, available now.

I'm curious, is there any strategy/city builder game set in HELL?
And not a "ironic depiction of hell that may just be another dimension", but explicitely the place you go after shitposting?

>>173148251
Orks are already "xenos" :^)

>>173148335
You mean beside Afterlife?

>>173148102
Yes, that's right.
>>173148149
>fiction that uses science
Frankenstein is a story about a man reanimating a corpse. Are there a lot of reanimated corpses walking around? If not, why is Frankenstein considered the first modern SF story?
>>173148175
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_science_fiction#Early_science_fiction
Here you go, not peer-reviewed but you can neck yourself. No Baghavad Gita on there but plenty of other literature from antiquity is listed there.
>>173148251
Yes, that sounds fair--changing every particular element of a story and its setting sounds like a good way to change its genre.

Whoever put STEMlords in charge of classifying literary genres should be put in a forced labor camp with the STEMlords he put in charge.

Is there a link to flexible core planets mod for 1.4? Or the one for 1.3 works too?

I hope it'll work for utopia too, can't bother with managing sectors.

>>173148493
>Are there a lot of reanimated corpses walking around?
If there were, it would be contemporary fiction, not science fiction. Science fiction deals with developments at the time, and predicts where science may go. While both are rooted in the understandings of the time, science fiction looks to the future, not the present.

>>173148714
>While both are rooted in the understandings of the time, science fiction looks to the future, not the present.
So The X-Files isn't SF?

>>173148493
>here's a link that has an overview of lots of good sources saying things I didn't say, that obviously supports my claim!
>neck yourself
no u

>>173148493
Because Frankenstein is 1. soft SF and 2. attempts to have it make sense according to understanding of science. Do you think it's a coincidence that it had been recently discovered that electricity was what made people move? That was what people thought might be possible soon.

>le STEM is the DEMON I don't WANT logical arguments I just want MY FEELINGS

>wikipedia
>Although fantastical and science fiction-like elements and imagery exist in stories such as Ovid's Metamorphoses (8 CE), the Old English epic heroic poem Beowulf (8th-11th centuries CE), and the Middle German epic poem Nibelungenlied (c. 1230), their relative lack of references to science or technology puts them closer to fantasy rather than science fiction.
>This lack of consensus is reflected in debates about the genre's history, particularly over determining its exact origins. There are two broad camps of thought, one that identifies the genre's roots in early fantastical works such as the Sumerian Epic of Gilgamesh (earliest Sumerian text versions c. 2150–2000 BCE). A second approach argues that science fiction only became possible sometime between the 17th and early 19th centuries, following the scientific revolution and major discoveries in astronomy, physics, and mathematics.
We adhere to the second branch. The first branch simply is so vague as to mean "anything that seems fantastical and match with MODERN scientific imagery (Princess Kaguya leaving on a UFO isn't sci-fi, because that thing is the same as Charon's Rowboat, a divine artifact)", at which point there's no reason to call anything sci-fi instead of just fantasy.

>>173146595
There are works of hard SF, quite a few actually, tho most works that are attributed as such are just very very near hard on the gradient. To me the difference between soft scifi and space fantasy is not one of degree, like with hard vs soft, its one of intent. Sci-fi work by definition makes a claim that everything with in it can be explained via science, much like real world. It is possible that some things will NOT be explained, much like real world. But the main point is the difference between such a world and our little earth is degree to which the universe is understood by science.

One amusing example comes from recent game called Torment:Tides of Numenera. It's a usual sword&magic setting with a twist. Magic does not originate from gods, or from some arcane study, but from the fact that inhabitants use tech of the civilisations, plural, that their world is build upon, w/o fully understanding it.

It's quite amusing in this regard.
>>173146635
I was asked a question. I answered it.

>>173148784
Correct.

Isn't the whole point of science-fiction exploring the science aspect?
Stuff like Halo or Starwars don't go into the sciences behind it, is just explosions on spaceships.

>>173148789
Well, it does support my claim. Kill yourself
>>173148807
>1. soft SF
My point is that this is still SF. You conceded this to me so I'm done reading your post-nothing else you say is relevant to me.
>>173148837
What is it?

>>173148887
But Frankenstein being sci-fi makes FUCKING SENSE in context, because people then had literally just discovered that shocking a recently dead corpse could make it fucking move as if it were alive. Being able to reanimate people is old as shit, but Frankenstein makes the point of saying "and it might actually work in a few years like this, details aside!"

>>173149012
Yes, and Halo is about things that might happen at some point in the future.

>>173148887
>it does support my claim
No, it supports my claim

>>173149064
Halo makes little to no attempt to tie itself to science.

>>173149064
And Lord of the Rings is things that happen in the past, so is a historical document.

>>173149064
Except it's not, because we currently have the science to disprove how the technologies presented in the game worked. So based on our current understanding, Halo isn't a possible future situation.

I'm done posting in this thread, you idiots are retarded.

>>173148486
Tried googling it, got nothing. When did that came out?

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As the Shoshone, would you go for free tech, free pop or culture first?

>>173149169
It was disproved at the time of writing too, I'm pretty sure.

>>173149187
Spend a few days in /gsg/

>>173148675
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682336292

>>173149215
Well, yeah. Halo is still pretty new in the scheme of scientific advancement.

>>173149187
2/10 points, you're garbage at shitposting AND at debating.

>>173149187
No one cares , you quarrelsome fag.

>>173149232
Yeah anon, I know, maybe a mega for those of us who can't access steam?

>>173149684
No problem, would you like a mega for the new patch and DLC tomorrow too?
sent ;^)

>>173149968
I'm not going to need your help for that.

The annoying thing is that I'm pretty sure someone must have put it in the mega in the list on the top, but the way the archive is, makes it a huge annoyance to browse it.

>>173149684
The mod may be outdated tomorrow, so that would be pretty pointless. The easiest way to change it would be to open defines.lua with notepad++ and change the core sector planet cap yourself to fit your tastes.

>>173146595
The expanse

>>173150528
true, true, though github solved my problem anyway.

To be honest though, I tested my 1.3 version with horizon and despite being flagged as outdated it still worked.

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>these autists saying anything short of Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars trilogy is fantasy and not science fiction

>>173150763
All science fiction is definitionally fantasy anyway.

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>these autists saying everything up to and including the Bhagavad Ghita is science fiction

>>173150763
>>173151195
Who are you quoting?

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>>173151061
>all fiction is fantasy anyway, after all none of it is real

>>173151195
No one cares about your favorite shitty manga, you dweeb. Stop forcing it. Now fuck off.

>>173147404
You are wrong, you know you're wrong, and you're being obstinate. Mythology is a modern term used by anthropologists to describe stories about deities and heroes. The Baghavad Gita is mythology. Genesis is mythology, and referred to as such even by christian anthropologists. The parts of the koran that describe events and stories are mythology. The back-alley stories that homeless children tell each other about jesus and the blue lady fighting against the boogeyman are mythology.

>>173151609
>Being such an uncultured pleb that you don't know the name of the Hindu holy texts

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>>173124736
There's a lot of Manchu art on those OPs.

That's fine, tho. With his work on Jour J, he's probably one of the rare illustrators that can do Stellaris and Civilization.

>>173148807
Frankenstein doesn't explicitly say that he uses electricity to make the monster move. There's a hollywood addition.

>>173151609
>manga
Has the Chinese cartoon maymay come full circle, or is this an honest case of someone being unbearably stupid?

Find out in the next stunning installment of Tales of Autism!

>>173151763
Like the bolts.

>>173144524

Where?

>>173151609
>>173151825
Stop getting baited so easily, please.(You)'s simply nourish him more .

>>173152413
Nourish my ass.

>>173147546
anyone? I want to finish one last game before utopia comes out

>>173155465
We won't do troubleshooting here. We just complain about Stellaris.

>>173155465
You made sure to light the candles before praying to the Machine God, right?

>>173147546
create the ...\Documents\Paradox Interactive\Stellaris\settings.txt file with notepad
END restarting your Steam client (ADMIN)

>>173151972
steam page for utopia.

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>>173128481
>real life doesn't have a nation wide win condition
Neither does Stellaris

>>173156861
>real life doesn't have a nation wide win condition

has anyone fact checked Drumpf on this?

>>173128481
>recreate venice with no real trade mechanics implemented
>recreate the vatican with no religious or cultural mechanics
If they want tall to be viable they need to introduce fundamental game mechanics for that style of play to exploit.

Tall is for patrician.
Wide is for pleb.

>>173157307
>Tall is for patrician.
>Wide is for pleb.
I am with you brother.
NORTH KOREA BEST KOREA

>>173157307
tall=/cbg/
wide=/civ4xg/

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>>173157307
t. The Wrong Side of History

>>173155787
didn't work, but now that I checked it the stellaris folder in my documents is somehow empy

>>173157473
Only scrubs spam towns all over the place like some shitty AI.

>>173157743
That is exactly how it end in Stellaris when tall empire try o go wide in short time.

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>mfw gas giant windbags demand to be relocated to the middle of the holy crusader FE

>>173158060
Are you Dutch or Portugese? Because real empires are wide.
Ask any lady, girth is what matters.

>>173158484
Only virgins think that size matters. Real men know that it's only how you use it.

>>173158586

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lpPeQyT36Tg

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>>173158371
whip out your navy, its time to show these crusaders how to REALLY race war

>>173158996
Thanks for proving my point.

>>173149187
Good riddance.
Bitch.

>>173132837
You're quite welcome.
There's a related story in the same setting called "Salvage". It is quite amusing.

Also going to join all the fags at the top of thread in saying Sins is comfy.
Simple enough that it's easy to get into.
Engaging enough that it will keep you occupied for a while.
And it will let you build a giant fortress for the AI to repeatedly smash itself against if you are so inclined.

Top comfy is still DW, on a pre-warp start with distant spawns, high tech costs, and modded (slower) drives.

>>173164378
I like Sins of Solar Empires for all the various ships you can have. I like using missiles launchers and bombers to take out defenses, through it's a bit annoying how stupid the AI is. Just bring a missile launcher (or whatever the name was), and they'll focus on it, ignoring everyone else.

>>173144191
3pm as it's summertime

I come here to post this every few months.

Is civ vi fixed yet?
Can I play now?

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>be Philip II
>first thing you do after making a scout and a builder is build a Holy District
>next thing you build is a shrine
>complete holy projects
>still fail to found a religion
I'm not even playing on Immortal. God damn it- OH WAIT! I apparently don't believe in God! Fuck!

>>173165873
*tips fedora*

>>173165976
They should have a purge mechanic that allows you to wipe out religious population. Purge the world of the ignorant sky daddy worshippers.

>>173124736
Utopia tomorrow

>>173164583
The AI for Sins is not a complex thing.
Certian classes of ships are super attractive targets for different units because those targets have an armour rating the unit's weapon is best at killing.

Cruisers > Missiles > Frigates > Carriers > Cruisers

So when that missile ship jumps in, your huge fleet of cruisers will see it and go "Hey guys, there's something we can kill real good!" and scutlle off to do just that.
It's not so much stupidity, more like simplicity. It is a lookup table with weapon values vs. armour values iirc.
(Not suggesting this is good or desirable behaviour.)

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>Reliquaries - Relics have triple the yield of both Faith and Tourism.
Is Reliquaries worth it? What's the point of the those bonuses if to get them you have to lose spend another one of your beliefs on Martyrs, lose apostles, and erode your religion around the place your apostle died?

>>173166907
I don't think it's good because it encourages you to cheese and exploit the AI.

>>173166442
Can't you already purge population that have opposed ethics?

How the fuck are you supposed to play the vodyani without falling massively behind

>>173127206
So is there not a 3rd path anymore?

Just robutts and psymagic

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>>173168185

The Biological Path focuses on mastery over biological evolution. The first level of it gives access to more gene points and significantly cuts the cost of genemodding projects, while the second level expands the options available during genemodding in addition to further providing more points and less cost.
The Psionic Path focuses on developing the psionic potential of your population. The first level unlocks new psionic technologies and benefits, while the second level allows your empire to reach a higher level of existance and communicate with the beings present there.
The Synthetic Path focuses on the replacement of biology with machinery. The first level allows you to turn your population partly synthetic through the use of cybernetics, while the second level replaces your biological pops with robots, turning your empire entirely synthetic.

>>173167416
Ethics? I'm talking about Civ VI.

>>173168593
My bad.

>>173133712
It's fucked as a 4x strategy game for sure. But it can work perfectly fine as a roleplay-focused game with some strategy elements like most Paradox titles.

>>173168453
>Sir we've done it, we've figured out how to ascend our species in three different ways!
>Brilliant Johnson, what have you got for me?
>Well first off we have the psionic path, which will give us magic powers and let us go into some sort of magic realm and do deals with demons and shit.
>Baller. What about number two?
>We become immortal machines, eternal and never ending. Pros: Immortality. Cons: Can't eat food.
>Excellent, and the third?
>Uh... well the biological path lets us get swole I guess? And maybe aliens wont gross us out so much anymore.
>Johnson please.

>>173166814
nah

>>173168975
Too bad atheists can't into space magic so they don't get the psionic path.

>>173168975
I unironically would choose the third option.

Option 1
>meddle in magic and other haram things and alsoget the attention of beings who can fuck your species up

Option 2
>remove all the fun parts of being just to be immortal

Option 3
>become better but stay the same as what you are

>>173165728

Please respond, your opinions are important.
Is it fixed yet?

>>173169435
Play stellaris and come back.

>>173169352
can't my materialistic not!vulcan/elves become psionic overgods?

>>173168185
Robot path is worthless.

>>173168975
The biological path can still build the robots, the ascension path just converts your pops into the synth you can already build.

>>173170610
>immortal 5 star admirals, governors, and scientists
>ability to colonize literally everything
>shhh no food, only energy
>worthless
kay

do we know if the three paths are available for all ethics or if they're limited to specific ones?

>>173170772
Or you can just go biological for more flexibility then build synths. The path literally just turns your people into synths. Nothing else. You even have to build them, they don't breed on their own. They function exactly the same.

>>173170772
>immortal
That doesn't exist. You're bound to go insane eventually.

>>173170937
Psionics is spiritualist only.
Synthetic is materialist only, proving just how shitty it is.
Biological is free to anyone.

>>173170965
Baseless assumption.

WHEN TOMORROW WILL UTOPIA UNLOCK?

I'm reading The Deathworlders but I cant make it past chapter 11. Are there any other stories without ham-fisted political sexual views/rants?

>>173171164
The brain can't store eternity. You'll end up forgetting who you are.
And if you replace your brain by a hard drive, even these can have failures, and even if your brain is somehow indestructable, your mind will not be able to stand the boredom of living forever, without a body to feel the warm breeze on your skin, without a girl to fuck in the ass, without delicious food to stuff your face with.

>>173171019
>no materialistic psionic mind-focused overbrains
REEEEEEEEEEEE

>>173171396
Then have a milion back-up copies of tour brain, and keep them busy with interactive programs. there problem solved

>>173170960
that can't be right.I've literally never seen a sector build a synth. with its current AI it would just break your game.
there has to be more to it.

>>173170965
>>173171164
>>173171396
We're talking about a videogame. Not everything is muh realistic philosophy.

>>173171396
>transfer mind into limitless potential technology
>still bound by biological limitations
>literal infinite simulated worlds to explore within cyberspace let alone the actual universe

>>173170257
No.

>>173171563
>>173171670
So basically the Matrix. That's fucking hell, dude. What's the point of living if you're not, well, living?

>>173171627
But does it mean to play a civilization of players? What if we're not characters in someone else's game?

>>173171606
Paradox only cares about Spiritualist/Psionics. Don't be shocked when they break.

Wiz himself said you need to build them.

>>173171324
recently read Blindsight, by Watts.
it's really neat, a first contact story that gets pretty haunting and questions the nature of intelligence and sentience.

>>173171732
You are both in the matrix and in the real world at the same time while having effectively limitless storage potential

>>173171863
So you remember that one time when you said something stupid and embarassed yourself FOREVER?
I'd rather stay a mortal.

>>173171732
It's entirely possible we ourself are nothing but part of a simulated world

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>>173171762
well this sucks. I like the flavour, but that implementation would suck.

>>173171956
If they even kept their emotions, an entirely chemically driven process

>>173172164
This is getting worse and worse. I pity the poor faggots who will live in the future and will have to experience this horror.

>>173171956
Grow up and get over your insecurities...
>>173171732
Anyway there's a novel or rpg game about humans uploaded to a giant brain network, post singularity. They fucked with the universe killing random aliens and attacking primitive humans for fun. Point is there is always something to do

>>173171396
>The brain can't store eternity.
Yeah you know all about immortal robot brains don't you?

Also there's no telling how a human brain OR a human mind using a robot brain would react to living centuries BECAUSE NEITHER OF THOSE THINGS HAVE EVER HAPPENED.

>>173172164
what's the point of being an intelligent robot if you don't have a consciousness or emotions? You wouldn't even know you're alive. You'd just be a ticking clock.

>>173172340
I said emotions, not consciousness which itself is really only your collective experience and knowledge

>>173172530
Robots can't laugh, so you wouldn't be able to appreciate this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UENAvJuClHU or this : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8mcDmXqo3w

>>173172530
consciousness is more than just data. it's all the weird shit your brain does to explain things. it's constantly wrapping its sorroundings in stories and interpretations that couldn't exist without the intricate mesh of emotions and chemical processes.
You think you have an objective view on the world, but you never actually do, it's all processed and interpreted long before you get to see it.

>>173171396
the brain can't store a year of sensory experience, yet you don't end up forgetting who you are do you?

>>173172779
>objective
I've done more than enough psychedelics to know how subjective the human sense are

>>173139503
Artfag here. It doesn't matter how many guides or videos or books you read. If you dont draw every single day your shit will not look good. Start drawing right now, right fucking now. Even if it looks like shit. The more you work on it the more your technique develops. Much like tech break throughs in Stellaris, you will eventually figure out 'hey if I do this instead of that it looks better' and one day you will be good at arts.

>>173172841
who ARE you?
the person you think you know as yourself is only ever known to you personally.
And no matter how much you change yourself, you still think you're you, because who else could you be. But you still change all the time.

>>173172841
N... Yes! I know who I am! I like cheese! And scary movies!

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>>173168975
>Hivelord, we have acquire enough biomass to ascend our people
>SCTEEEEEVHHVJCH
>The foolish flesh bags across the rift have adopted the technological path. They foolishly believe metal shells will save them from our wrath
>KRRREEEEEONK
>The advanced space geckos have taken another path. They think sorcery and pleading with extra dimensional gods are more favorable path than joining our great hive
>XJNUVUIBVGNASJBVGNAGBNJUAUGBNBNFAUBGIAUBNGIAUBGIOAUBGAIMVBMBIB!! :)
>Of course. We've already begun swallowing their colony worlds. and new castes of Warriors, Scientists and miners are being gene modded as we we speak
>Scree?
>Yes I agree.

>>173173953
That reminds me, I still haven't finished Alien Isolation.

>>173173953
will we get 8472 Bioships?

>>173168975
>>173169360
Why the fuck wouldnt robots be able to eat or feel, we literally already have prosthetic limbs that can feel.