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CANT WE ALL ACT LIKE SIVILIZED PEOPLE EDITION

DEAD: >>173003558

First balance patch is now LIVE! Patch notes here:
>http://pastebin.com/sxwT5yhn (embed)

>Leaked Centurion / Ninja Image
http://imgur.com/a/r8jXO

>New players:
http://pastebin.com/55KZTiUK (embed)

>Multiple hero video guides
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLkiUfT_3_4AnTBKwzZQO7-fDgKDzwPRPr

>Wikis:
http://forhonor.wikia.com
http://forhonor.gamepedia.com/For_Honor_Wiki

>Character damage values
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wwr17AtTDFU3BZY_81axLVMKdHdNZuV0wGOb589VKgc/edit#gid=0

>Gear modifier values
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1mPLuxn-bPMwxOotsIL8lM-x0jP101dIbUnMD1ten7ik/edit#gid=154396609

>Friends list sign up Doc:
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe46v1-5y3m5IbPVaP1NRaEjU7tO3YWE_fZkR4dQ5C8nBwI5Q/viewform?c=0&w=1

>For those that have signed up:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1b8fuKwrDWqaprZE9mRhDtgDRqkZHIabBfum-jHumLKw/edit#gid=943442915

>War of Factions:
https://forhonor.ubisoft.com/game/en-us/war-of-factions/

>PVP Stat Tracker:
https://fhtracker.com/

>Story mode collectibles:
http://gameranx.com/features/id/93082/article/for-honor-all-knights-campaign-collectibles-breakables-observables/
http://gameranx.com/features/id/93191/article/for-honor-all-vikings-campaign-collectibles-breakables-observables/
http://gameranx.com/features/id/93397/article/for-honor-all-samurai-campaign-collectibles-breakables-observables/
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2th for your favorite Execution is shit
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>>173091071
what do the asterisks mean?
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>>173091220
That they're EXTRA shit
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>>173091220
Second this
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>>173091071
My favorite is The Impaler, get fucked
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P U D G Y
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>>173091438
Valkutie
Valkyreally cute

Thats all I got
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8th for revenge is balanced and you're just a no honor shitlord if you disagree
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>>173091438
It's just the armor! It puts on extra layers!
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>>173090923
xth for shit connections
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>Fought my first real Conq mirror
How do you Conq mains do it? This is a new kind of hell.
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>tfw trying to learn how to GB interrupt

Holy fuck I can't time this for shit fucking kill me
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>>173091968
Now you know how everyone feels fighting conq.
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>>173092006
You mean tech a GB or stuff it with your own attack?
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>>173092080

Teching, trying to stuff it with my own attacks doesn't work against Orochis so I'm back at the advanced tutorial but I just seem too fucking slow.
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>go into a brawl with a pk/nobushi
>they're in radio silence
>act like a clown regardless, try to engage them in friendly banter
>they maintain radio silence, engage in tryhard tactics, spam their best emotes
>they win 3-2
>they try their hardest to get a single ounce of salt but fail
Does it give them blueballs when I do this?
Should I start pretending to be salty if I just want to spread goodwill & fun to everyone I meet?
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>>173091968

Run for the nearest ledge and jump off
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>>173091071
>>173091220
>>173091330
What someone else said was they they mean that the times are rough estimates due to lack of good footage or some shit, and not exact measures.
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>>173092080

Nvm I have to hit X twice I'm fucking retarded, got it now.
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>>173092258
I thought so, thanks for clearing that up.
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>>173092245

Dunno about other people, but the VERY first thing I did after installing was go turn off as many chat features as I could. In For Honor, it turns out that is all of them except for, "WOW!"
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>>173091796
You aren't fooling anyone.
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>tfw get good enough to beat Orochis
>still not fun to fight
>even when stomping them
The most annoying class. I can't think of a single fight with them involved that was enjoyable. Anyone else here feel the same? What kind of mindset is fun when fighting roaches?
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>>173092487

>twf you will never bend valk over and pull her ponytail as you give that viking pussy some good dick

end me
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>>173092487
Her skin must be as course and rough as sandpaper. I bet she could walk through a patch of thorns barefooted.
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>>173092245
Do you think this is a fucking game anon?
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Post emblems
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>>173093018
what a fag
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>>173093018
move everything in your swastika emblem up by like 10 units please
and then delete it
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>>173093018

I thought this one was birdy gud
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>>173093018
Only use the top two. The one on the bottom is just random bullshit.
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>>173093018
>>173093163
>>173093282
You guys need new games.
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>>173093163
It's centered on the background, which can't be moved. Was the only way to get it on a circle with all three colors
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>>173093469
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>>173093469
I'd rather see people's emblems than hear them say how much they hate warden,warlord,PK and conq for the 100th time per thread
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Emblem Challenge: Make your best Snorlax
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**ATTENTION PS4BROS**
There is now an official PS4 Community!
If you would like to join, search
For Honor General
or
Message/add TheSteroid386 and I will invite you.
1v1 tourney soon!!!
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how do I beat hyper aggro pk players that spam indicator flicker at me
i main warden and my bash is useless, my zone is just blockable, he moves too fast to land any lights, and hes really hard to parry when he mixes all that shit up together. Im on controller and i refuse to play on M&K so if you have any suggestions or tips that I may not have thought of i would appreciate it.

inb4 git gud
i know that but it isnt easy when PK is involved. its like an epilectic seizure valkyrie hopped up on cocaine from the moment she attacks you.
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>>173093018
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>Playing elimination
>Enemy team literally has someone named Sasuke Uchiha
>Surprisingly he's playing a below rep 1 Warden
>End up double teaming him when I finish my guy off
>Instantly get hatemail about it
>Never actually face him 1v1 in the game, but always end up ganking him at the end of every round
>After the game he's messaging me nonstop bitching about me having no honor, and telling me to rematch him in a 1v1 unless I'm scared
>Almost agree to the rematch just to shut him up, but then I remember he was only a lvl 16 Warden
>Out of curiosity look up his profile on the stat tracker
>His main is a rep 10 PK
Wew I dodged a bullet. Especially considering we're playing on console there's no fucking way I'd be able to beat a faggot spamming rb over and over
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>>173094159
if they spam it then you know it's coming, if they change it up or dob't have a certain time they do it then you're fucked. it's a broken OP glitch when used well and on purpose
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How to feint
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>>173094159
Unfortunately there's not a whole lot you can do against an aggressive PK exclusively using lights. Sometimes I like to back dash constantly to a ledge and try to bait a dash heavy out of them so I can parry it and ledge them.
Otherwise I don't really have any advice, I can't parry PK's lights worth dick
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>>173094379
When your post reaches 99% click the abort button.
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>>173094379
B , Circle, or E
Heavy attacks only.
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>>173094379
press the feint button in the first third of a heavy attack

some characters have soft feints they can do, you can read about them in their move list/abilities. If someone does a soft feint not in their movlist/abilities list it's a glitch and they are fags
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>>173093018
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>>173092395
They started chatting after winning.
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This game is dying because everyone who plays the game thinks the game has no problems, and Ubisoft wont do shit about the boring meta.

Through all the alpha and beta, I'm so mad that I still bought the game knowing full well that the game being so defensive will kill the game.
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>>173092950
yes
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>PK uses flickering for the entirety of a Skirmish match
>Claims it's unintentional and that they do it by accident all the time
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>>173092351
Wait, how do you do it?
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>>173095279

I tap X twice as soon as I see the Icon, it seems to work.
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>>173093018
Is your name The_Alt_Knight, by any chance?
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>>173094323
Can't make them out at mid/small-size brah.
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I fucking hate warlord
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>>173095267
I used to do it on accident because I thought "They'll see me guarding right so they'll expect an attack from the right, I'm so clever"
Turns out mist of those landed attacks were because lol games fucking broken.
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>>173095335
You're being silly. You only have to hit GB once, and that's the moment the enemy's guardbreak makes contact with you. When you hear the WHUMP of the enemy's guardbreak, hit X.
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>>173095442
I hated him too, then started playing him to learn how to counter him better. Now I just love how easy it is to ledge people. I figure it's better to just abuse the shit out of it until they fix it, rather than stay mad over it
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if you play roach, kill yourself
if you play peacekeeper, kill yourself
if you play lawbringer, kill youself for being such a cuck.
only heavy classes and Valkyrie mains are acceptable
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>>173094379
Play zerker.
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>>173095562
Valk is high to top tier. Every heavy class is S tier.
Kill yourself.
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>>173095715
>shug
>s-tier
How come I never have trouble with him?
Just GB and he's a big wad of playdough.
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>>173095879
My guess is you play shit Shugs

The recent $2500 tourney was dominated by Shug players.
In fact, the dude who ended up winning was a Warlord main who took time off before the tourney to learn Shugoki instead.
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>>173095879
The shug you were playing didn't know the way to play him, then. A shug doing the fatman vortex is unpunishable and can do it indefinitely.
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>>173095412
Nien, stop asking. Played with him, though.
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>high rep Orochis running around with revenge builds and killing my full health Shugoki in two hits

Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
Wow!
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>>173096264
You should run around instead and vortex them.
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>>173095562
>shug
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>>173096345

I only just started playing Shugo. Usually if I try to disengage they use their anime dashes to catch me and murder me.
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>be law
>queue up duel
>find match
>player is "I_AM_LAW"
>he's rep 8
>3-0 him
4v4 shitters need to git gud or stay away
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>>173093018
I'm edgy as fuck
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>>173096040
>fatman vortex
wut?
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Looking for more suggestions. Last thread I got Shugouki, Kensei, and Raider. Would prefer someone with a good offense since Lawbringer is 90% baiting people into attacking you.
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>>173096767
>le president man hair
>le sheitan meme
>Ireland?
>le metal band

not too edgy tbqh
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>>173096767
What's edgy about St. Peter's cross, it's a catholic symbol
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>>173096989
Try valk.
She's like a PK/Warden cross.
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>>173096989
Raider
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>>173097272
>raider
>good offense
Only when you're ganking someone lol
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>>173097101
It was supposed to be a "Grucifix" It's the logo for a band I listen to.

>They're satanists
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HE
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>>173097429
>they're highschoolers
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>>173097190
>encouraging more people to play that cunt
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>>173093652
But you can move the backgrounds.
Use the web editor.
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>>173097021
>doom metal band that pretends to be satanic
>not edgy
I love GhostBC, but they are pretty edgy
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>>173097484
>grammy winning artists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqoyKzgkqR4
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>having a good duel
>the other person seems to be enjoying themselves as well
>no one's pulling anything cheap
>2 wins for each of us
>last duel
>down to the wire
>they d/c before my heavy lands that would have killed them

but why
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>>173097503
That's not a nice word.
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>>173095080
They said in the last dev stream that they were testing changes to fix the defense oriented meta.
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>>173097484
>>173097524
Ok, they're highschool edgy, but this is 4chan ffs, and we have standards for these things.
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>>173096937
Charge someone to the ground, cancel and hit them with a free heavy. Even if they dodge you're too far away for them to punish you
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>>173097617
jeez that drags along
Is that <60 bpm or something?
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>>173095558
fucking destroys half of my life bar in one hit when he's in revenge mode
and I play Conq...
how can this be allowed?
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>>173093018
Every fucking thread, ya we see your swastika emblem. Real fucking original, how clever of you. Never see anyone else make those. Stop shitting up every thread with your low effort bait emblems.
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>>173096767
I've played with you before.
You're a faggy memester Warlord
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>>173097836
That's a problem with revenge in general, and devs have already confirmed revenge gear is getting a huge nerf
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>>173097985
>calls the emblem low effort bait
>still replies
wew

Also is this 2005? Who still loses their shit over a fucking swastika?
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>>173098313
_____jews_____
also lolcows
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>>173098227
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Whats the state of me lads?
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What's the trick to playing warlord?
He just looks so cool what's his main spam op abuse bullshit?
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>>173098792

You dont like any of the viking heroes it seems
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>>173098796
Go stand within 15 feet of a ledge, parry an attack for a free GB, and then charge them off the ledge. Unless they are also playing Warlord you don't have to fear being thrown off. It's his biggest op move.
Otherwise spam headbutt nonstop for chip damage
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>>173098623
Well who do you main, I might have been mixing you up with a memester Warlord on your team
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Well since we're on the topic of edgy shit, let's all admit something edgy about ourselves.

Personally I still really enjoy Slipknot's first two albums.
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>>173099114
I like the artist behind pic related.
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>>173099114
I actually accept myself and don't find anything "edgy" about me and my past. So fuck you, casual normie asshole.
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>>173093018
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>>173099114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1gNlcr0h9Q

I enjoy Industrial Techno
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>>173098962
I guess it's Warden, but I've been working my way through the roster.
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>peeps think they can out shugoki me
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>>173099114
In every presidential election since 2004 I have voted for the candidate I believed would most divide the country.
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>>173097520
Web editor? Like modifying the emblems on a browser?
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>>173099114
I really like this song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f--4iDTr_k
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>>173099619
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>tfw your opponent does something so stupid and it works because you weren't expecting them to actually go through with it
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>>173099114
To this day I like the instrumental side of various Linkin Park songs, even if I think the lyrics are silly.
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>>173100218
I do this to people occasionally. Sometimes throwing out an obvious attack and having it hit, or whiffing the first hit of a combo and continuing to the second can be very effective.
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>>173100128
>Enemy Shug so blinded by rage that he completely forgot Shug has hyper armor
He must have been salty as shit
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>>173097643
He probably didnt rage quit. Think of how stable the network is.
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>>173098561
And germans.
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>>173097643
Connections are trash, good chance he just got dropped
>Playing brawls with a friend
>It's a close game
>Tie breaker round, end up killing my guy without ever getting hit
>Go to watch my friend in their fight
>Both my friend and the last enemy alive are one hit from dead
>Seems like a sure thing, considering I have full health
>Enemy gets revenge and pops it
>I immediately get disconnected
>Friend says the game is still going on and they lost because of getting hit by a revenge attack when the game resynched
Feels really fucking bad, it was a sure win and me getting dropped changed that
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>>173100852
oy vey.
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>>173101043
>playing map with really ledge filled area with ledgeless zones on each side
>go to one of the safer sides
>other guy goes half way and stands next to a ledge
>go over and throw him off the ledge
>he gets angry that I ledged him
fucking retards, I swear
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>>173098313
Not losing my shit just rolling my eyes at it. Not like I was in a death camp it doesn't offend me it just smacks of someone with zero creativity but a thirst for attention. I mean yeah fuck me for responding, but I don't think pointing something out as bait is the same as falling for it.

Inb4
>you fell for it again
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>>173101043
>>173101237
I didn't mean to reply to you, I don't even remember clicking that, or even reading your post
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>>173098792
>no heavy
>no hybrid
I guess you just ignore half the orders eh?
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>>173101663

Im /vanguard/

I didnt want to play orochi but I actually liked him
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>>173101362
Well fuck you too, didn't read yours either
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>>173100852
Oh yeah it triggers them pretty hard doesn't it?
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>>173101810
Oh so I guess you ignore 90% of the orders then?
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>>173101961
Must be because they're illegal.
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>Valkyrie has lights that are as fast as Peacekeeper's
>Valkyrie has mixups as good as Warden's
>Valkyrie has a shield bash that travels further and tracks more ridiculously than Warlord's
>Valkyrie has the range of Nobushi and guaranteed 50% damage if you get hit by a light attack
>Valkyrie can only be punished if you dodge her sweep or parry
>this is somehow OK
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>>173101810
same here. she's fun.
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>>173102160
She needs a nerf, she's such a fucking pain to fight. Not to mention she literally shuts down revenge both in groups AND 1v1
>Fighting a Valk
>Get revenge
>Pop it
>She immediately backs off and goes into shield bash stance
>She won't bash me unless she knows it lands
>Can't attack her because she has superior block on it
>Can't GB her because I'll get bashed before I can touch her
There's nothing to do before your revenge runs out, it's bullshit
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Warden Mains of /fhg/, I need your attention.

If you play a FemWarden you are a fuckin fag, bro. Lmao.

That is all.
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>law bringer top heavy travels so slow compared to 90% of the heroes that i fight that i actually fail to parry it every time
Jesus
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I need to get in on this free money youtube thing
>get salt clips from easy 4v4 modes
>add random meme music
>mediocre editing
>get someone to post it on reddit for me
easy 50k + views
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>>173102160
>only her first light is as fast, so spam can be more easily punished than with PK
>mixup is more cumbersome, less flexible than warden's
>bash is more telegraphed & so can be dodged/punished more easily
>there's no guarantee, just a 50/50
>or you block one of her lights, or you GB her when she goes to dash-attack, or you have a mid-long-range weapon & know how to use back-dash
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>>173102451
Fem Warden is cute, though.
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How do i get this color? It says i need to be rep 0 level 1.
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>>173102392
Unlock, run up & do the 50/50 roll-dodge/gb.
Aww did someone hurt your revenge-gear :(
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>>173102718
>defending a stupidly busted character
LOL
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>>173102451
I mained manwarden until I noticed how fucking tiny his head is compared to his body
he's not even wearing a cuirass and he's got (9/10 times) a greathelm on and his head is still way too small for him
pic related is what I'm talking about
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>>173102734
it's the default color scheme and if you take it off you can't get it back because the game was coded by retarded leafs.

think of it this way, you have to gain a rank to unlock something, you never gain that rank, you start there so you never unlock it
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>>173102894
>no arguments
by the rules of debate you just ceded me total victory lol
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>Playing against lv 3 PK bot to learn to block/parry the light spam
>Easily doable on most characters
>Nigh impossible on shugoki
Why do some character have slower guard swap speed, this is ridiculous
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>>173102928
yeah, but he's voiced by Liam O'Brien, which is fun
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>>173103405
well yeah malewarden for campaign is the obvious option
WHYYYYY have you ABANDONED your POSTS?!
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>>173102998
>"here's some things you can theoretically do, now I win the argument because I have superior intellect"
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Attention all Conquerers, Wardens and Men of the Law.

Black Iron is tacky and gay, nerds. Stop using it. Posers.
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>>173103608
;^)
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>>173103760
you can't stop me from having a black armor, black cloth, Law.
How else will I Black Knight role play
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>>173102834
That's easier said than done. Even if I do the roll dodge than just sets us to neutral, and if I fuck up the GB I'm flat on my ass
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I want fem raider to come from a long day of pillaging, pick me up with one hand and drag me to the bed. I strip, revealing my chasity belt as she pulls out her massive cock.

I want her to Fuck me long and hard all night, then, after filling my boypussy with her sticky cum, if she is feeling generous, she will unlock my cage, releasing my small feminine cock and let me rub cocks with her, showing how much bigger she is than me, how much more of a man she is than me. Even her soft cock towers over mine when fully erect.

She will let me rub against her cock until I shoot my pathetic impotent seed. After I cum she lets me clean her up with my tongue, then we spoon and go to sleep, her cock laying on my soft ass cheeks, she is free to penetrate me at any time during the night without my consent. I want to wake up with her cock in me. Then I wake up early, before her. Make her breakfast, bring it into the bedroom, and slip under the covers to suck her morning wood to wake her up.

If im lucky when she wakes up and eats, after giving me my breakfast of her cum, she will let me shower with her, and let me clean her, especially her cock, with my mouth.

She goes to fight and pillage some more, and we do it all again the next night.
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next match they switched to valks and PKs
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>>173104740
REEEE IM FUCKING PISSED

TIERFAGS NEED TO FUCK OFF
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>>173104280
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>play with friends
>we lose matches left and right for some reason
>they just constantly bicker and complain
>play by myself
>can have chill matches for hours on end
>almost always go 15-1

It's a toss up
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>decide to do some warden
>rep 0 level 5
>duels
>enemy is rep 13 warden
>all he does is vortex
>kick his shit in with lights zones
>he falls for feints
>he doesn't know how to avoid vortex himself
>beat him
this game is such a meme
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>>173104857
I posted the picture because it was amusing, but people can play what ever hero they want for their own reasons.
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I'm so fucking tired of shit teammates

If I'm playing elimination and my teammates all die within 15 seconds the first two rounds in a row, I immediately leave.
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>>173093018

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kf-sFQICZew

Best be careful.
There are a lot of big dudes with bats in this game.
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>>173105271
I feel the same. I've played so many games of elimination where every single fucking round I have to carry our team in 1v3s or even 1v4s depending on how fast they die.
And the only possible way to win 1v3/4s is to ledge them, because they won't let you execute, and you can't stop them from reviving each other forever. After a while it gets fucking stressful. I don't want the entire game riding on me everytime I play
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>>173105006

It doesn't HAVE to be bad.
the core mechanics are fucking amazing.
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>>173105967
One can only hope another more competent company make's a similar game, I for one hope it's The Behemoth.
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>>173104280
Write more.
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>>173106847
RAMEN
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>>173105271
>>173105864
Ya both are pussies. It's not as much fun as playing with a good team, and in get not wanting to lose, but have some sack and go down swinging. I've never thrown a hissy fit and dropped out of a match, I don't always reup, although any of the losing team reupping is so rare that hardly matters. If you leave a match because of shit teammates you are no better than the people who leave because they get bodied in a duel real hard. Say you don't care about your ratio, but if that were really true you would stick it out knowing a loss was coming or it would all hinge on your carry.
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>>173107313
well, here is my pastebin, i normally save when i write something pretty long, that was a paste i saved from a bit ago, (but these are all my own works)

full:
>https://pastebin.com/u/Ipwnlocks

or, i looked through my own stuff and pulled out all the ones about muscular girls with big fat cocks... which is my favorite topic to write about anymore, apperently.
i have wrote for alot of stuff over the years, and alot of stuff has muscle girls that would look perfect with big futa dicks. jsut change all names to fem raider/zerker
>https://pastebin.com/dZLJh6Ck
>https://pastebin.com/bMN96jDs
>https://pastebin.com/3v3dbEwx
>https://pastebin.com/DNce6Ebt
>https://pastebin.com/SEYuQW4f
>https://pastebin.com/CJLtSCTi
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So apparently this was written before the highlander leak

take that as you will
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>>173108527
Not saying it isn't true, but I feel like all of that could have been guessed. The Viking Warden captain NPC is already a gaelic warrior.
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>>173107987
I don't mind having to carry once in a while. But I've had nights where I'm always thrown onto a shit team and have to carry every single round. It's no fun getting gangbanged every goddamn round because I get paired with people who can't handle a 1v1 ever.
I don't care about my ratio, I care about having fun and it's just fucking stressful having every single round depending on me carrying the team. It makes the game feel like a chore when I'm having to take on the entire enemy team, several of whom have grabbed buffs
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>>173108861

and the "Ronin" as already seen on some for honor art as a samurai who has 2 katanas
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So we have all been talking about the Centurion, which I am guilty of as well since I am a Romaboo, but what features do you think we are likely to see on the Ninja?
I was just playing Dominion and thought about if the Ninja had the PK stealth feat, and further if it was modified to also not alert the opposing team when you are contesting a point, allowing for a potential surprise attack on a defender.
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>>173108527
I don't want to believe the ranged GB because this shit will be god awful in ganks
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>>173109045
>further if it was modified to also not alert the opposing team when you are contesting a point, allowing for a potential surprise attack on a defender.
I'd really rather not have ninjas get a free attack because they picked one of the three entrances to the point I wasn't looking at
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>>173109045
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6VweLV6lW8I

check this out

I would also like to think hes an assassin with an attack charge
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>>173109154
They are fucking Ninjas, what should their specialty be?
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>>173107987
I don't care about my ratio. I would love if they actually put in a penalty for leaving matches. And guess what? I'd still leave matches where my teammates are completely retarded.

You simply cannot expect me to try and carry them round after round, especially when I'm playing law, one of the worst ones for getting ganked.

If my teammates are even semi-competent, or at least enough to survive for 30 fucking seconds, I'll stay. Other than that, it's no fun, whatsofuckingever.
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>>173109347
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I5g91rZDZuM

Have ninja sex
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>>173109347
Not a free damage feat that will make them significantly better than others in dominion?
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>>173106903

Absolver is looking promising.

I'm mostly hoping Ubi tanks entirely and some decent dev picks up the IP.

[spoiilers]there are no decent "aaa" devs. they're all shit.
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>>173109516
>I can't pay attention to the enemy
>This means he gets free hits
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I honestly hate Shugoki's more than Peacekeepers. Hyper armors is the most fucking cancerous mechanic ever invented.
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>>173109067
More I think about it, that would be pretty cool. Ninja is somewhat underwhelming in direct combat, but excels at ambushing, ganking, and all around fighting dirty.
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>>173109767
>All points have a minimum of three entrances
>There are walls and objects blocking your view of every entrance at once
>JUST PAY ATTENTION TO WHERE THEY ENTER FROM EVEN THOUGH THERE'D BE NO NOTIFICATION
You don't have to get upset because you came up with a shit idea
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>>173109869
>An assassin class that excels in ganking
This sounds fucking awful. Right now the best gankers are at least medium to heavy speed, we really don't need someone with assassin speed running away and only ganking the entire match
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I think the ninja having a ranged guard break is cool
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>>173110081
I'd agree with you if the game was in first person, but it's not, and all you have to do is move the camera around, even around corners if you have to. Obviously, your character doesn't even have to face the direction you're looking.

If this ninja shit is a real thing, and you get hit by it, it's because you weren't paying attention,
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>>173110081
I literally thought of it while playing Lawman and sitting on the ledge of a control point, thinking that the Ninja should get some tools to try and sneak up on people who get careless.
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>>173110640
It is avoidable if you spend your entire duration on the point constantly checking the entrances, but that would be a nuisance to have to do because of one character. Especially if you're trying to launch a ranged feat on another point or even just give call outs to your team by watching the other points.
>>173110658
All I see is that it would make ninja a top pick in dominion and you'd have people flooding games with them for the bonus perk of being undetected when entering a point.
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>>173109779
>Land a hard on a Shugoki with his armor down.
>It comes up the SECOND it connects.
>This allows him to throw a free hard at me and kill me.
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Why the fuck aren't attack dodges illegal? It completely nullifies baiting dodges as Conq. So fucking infuriating. How do I deal with Berserker as Conq, against a half decent one it's impossible. Rep 7 Conq but still pretty mediocre here.
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>>173111752
You are going to have to just get used to people flooding DLC characters. They are often OP to encourage season pass use, and even when they aren't they are still really popular for a good month after release.
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>>173112118
Change your strategy for your opponent. You know all assassins (and Kensei) have a side-dash attack that can get around your bash, and you know they're not afraid to use it. So once you establish their behavior, bait it out with an empty dash, then counter accordingly.
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>>173109067
I believe it. Don't think it would be too hard to balance either. Make the ranged GB pull the target to the ninja, and if the GB is countered then the ninja is instead pulled to the target and downed. Give the move an indicator in case it is coming in from off screen though I doubt it would have enough range the camera already pulls out when a second opponent gets close. Make the long range GB have some small charge time and you glow, trigger it like Goki Embrace, regular GBs still possible like for anyone else. Perhaps also don't give it as many options as a normal GB, no throws so no wallbang chain, just some raw damage like most heroes get. Bam problem solved.

>in 1v1 it is only good for untechable GBs since even someone with cerebral palsy should be able to GBC a raw GB by now
>if the throw it out like spam they will get heavily punished for it, getting downed is a free heavy for anyone and you know this guy will be a low HP ass class
>in a gank it won't have the range for you to not see it coming or you will have an indicator or if it lands and pulls you too the ninja it might pull you out of range of the other gankers.

I see this making it good for a few things, someone is running away from you it will shut that shit down, or when PKs do that super long back dodge they always seem to do. Second it would counter how Nobushi can't be GB'ed off a heavy parry, though if they make the move have some charge time that might not be possible without some special rule. Ninja will probably have a kunai feat maybe the stagger on that will be long enough you can land it to surprise someone in a 1v1 in the 4v4 modes.

I think all that would allow the move to be useful for something but no more dangerous than LB pancake flipping or shugoki hug storm in a gank....less so honestly since it displaces the target.


Okay now tell me how I'm wrong, or better yet suggest a fix.
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>Shugoki in dominion builds full revenge and damage.
>One charged heavy from him can take an entire life bar.
>Enemy team just runs around 4v1ing people, lighting them from all directions or guardbreaking so Shug can walk up and murder them with one hit.
>Say that it seems balanced that it's possible to build so you can one shot people.
>"lol just parry it xD"
>Mfw
Remove revenge all together. Make revenge just a full health shield, and a knock back, and remove all of the ridiculous shit you can do with it.
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>>173099114
nothing matters and we're all going to die one day and in 100 years nobody will remember who we were or who we loved. we all die alone
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>>173112207
True but that doesn't mean we need to give them feats to make them permanently the top pick in dominion. But I have no doubt they'll be broken as shit
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>>173112897
whoa...really...makes you....think...
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>>173109224
Man, an actual fight with this thing would be fucking brutal. How would you even deal with this shit in a duel scenario in real life?
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>>173112718
Anon don't you know there are people who think revenge is 100% fair and doesn't deserve the nerf that's coming?>>173091750
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>>173112207
More likely it will be one of these
>>173081713

Than actually designed to be OP. Centurion and Ninja will be cool enough to move product without having to be intentionally OP, that won't prevent people from thinking they are though.
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>>173112380
why did I never think of not going for the grab and instead go for the parry, ty
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>>173113364
This is ubisoft we're talking about. They'll get tons of season pass sales if they make the dlc characters OP as shit and we both know that.
They've done it before in R6S with Blackbeard and his shield gun. It took them fucking months to finally nerf it, and it's still top tier
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>>173113083
ask and you shall receive, weeb freak. besides you know i'm right
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>>173093018
h-hella jdm desu
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>checking my network
>literally no activity save for system programs and For Honor
>have a 300mbps connection, only using like, 1% of it at the moment
>have no lag at all in 4v4

>for some fucking reason, every duel or brawl I get into has a teleporting fucker in it

HOLY FUCK WHAT IS GOING ON FUCKING KILL ME
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>>173113654
Damn...that's so...deep...whoa...you should like...write a...book...
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>>173113364
I was going to say Blackbeard but this guy beat me to it >>173113547

If you aren't famiiliar, this character had a gun-shield with 900 hit points protecting his face. It took them like six months to change it to what it is now, 120 hit points.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tb9nEjyqUgM
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>>173109224
Is this choreographed or is this like form-based martial arts where they are ACTUALLY fighting but they just pull their punches?
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>>173114406
not an argument
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>>173114406
Literally just went through that hentai set. Did they make a sequel? The artwork is actually pretty damn good
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>>173114831
Babby's first existential revelation is not edgy.

>>173114993
No, but damn it was a good doujin.
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>>173115098
It really was, perfect mix of sex and actually funny comedy. Wish they didn't gloss over each individual teacher though
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>>173115098
>babby's first existential revelation

i understand that it is babby's first but it doesn't make it any less true

how is it not edgy? quit being a contrarian
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>>173115330
Yeah, but I was glad we got to see multiple scenes with more than one teacher.

>>173115363
People dying eventually is not edgy at all. It's just a fact of life. You saying "Nothing matters because we all die" is not an edgy thing about you, it's just a thing that's true about life.
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>>173112637
Further elements of the...Kage let's call em, Ninja is too on the nose. Not like they called anything else something so obvious.

Feats:
Tier 1: Bounty Hunter (all ass class), Stealth (PK scum), Kiai (Roachi)
Tier 2: Smokebomb, revenge attacks, kunai (same as Roachi tier 2)
Tier 3: sharpen blade (ass class), slip through (Roachi dodge attack boost), idk something new
Tier 4: nailbomb or something like it(seems appropriate), fear itself(standard), something else new

For the kunai, make it unique, paralytic bo shuriken. Does less damage if any but nukes stamina and severely reduces movement for a short period, like the bear trap but you can still move a little and tech GBs or block/parry.

For the third tier something active maybe caltrops. Place them on the ground and they cause minor bleeding, speed reduction, and some stamina burn when people pass over them. Make it either fade after time unlike other traps or at least work more than once before going away. They can kinda glint on the ground, so placing them in water puddles or some such would help conceal them and add a layer of strategy to placement.

For the tier 4, maybe make the nailbomb a poison bomb like from the campaign, also make the Nobushi fire trap not suck total ass. For the last one maybe something active like Kensei's all unblockable or Shugoki Knockdown...not those but something like it, maybe increase the range of standard attacks for a period.

For attacks, I'm gonna assume he uses the Kusarigama wrong and rather than whipping the lead weighted chain at people then moving close to finish with the kama, he God of War style whirls the kama around on the end of the chain. Could be wrong about that but gotta start somewhere.

If I'm right then heavies should have pretty good range like Nobushi or little less like Kensei. Shouldn't do all that much damage though it's just a kama after all.

Light attacks will be quicker up close strikes with the kama.
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>>173115563
Do they have any other pieces?
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>>173113547
>>173114498
I thought it as I was making the post. Do you think Blackbeard was intentionally overpowered or just turned out that way because incompetence didn't identify how broken he was. I suppose it's possible how fucking amazing his skills was didn't get revealed in internal testing, but that would be a pretty big mistake.
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>Load into Skirmish for a challenge
>Enemy team is 100% coordinated, always working together and gangbanging efficiently to defend each other when you get revenge
>My team just runs around trying to stack buffs and charges in alone every single time to die
I quit when this happens, I don't care if it makes me a bitch, I'm not staying on a team with complete retards
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>>173115685
>For the kunai, make it unique, paralytic bo shuriken. Does less damage if any but nukes stamina and severely reduces movement for a short period, like the bear trap but you can still move a little and tech GBs or block/parry.
This would make me so fucking mad, you don't even know. Assassins are already a huge fucking problem with how often they run away in modes like elimination. Can you imagine at the start of the round getting hit with that and literally not being able to stop them from grabbing a buff and ganking?
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>>173115904
>First person shooter where headshots are always an insta kill
>They made one dlc character with a shield covering his head so he can headshot you and you can't headshot him
Anon you're kinda dumb if you don't think this was intentionally made to be OP as hell
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Sorry to shill my bullshit but I need to share this somewhere. Shugoki is the best class in this stupid game, no contest.

https://youtu.be/sHZr0iq6W1g
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>>173115563
so it isn't edgy, is true, but is still worthy of derision because "hehe 2deep4u :)" of your contrarian attitude

got it bud
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>>173115904
Initial nerfs all targeted ADS speed, move speed, noise, etc. They were clearly initially of the mindset that you shouldn't be breaking his shield, which is stupid.
He should have just had the beta version of the shield which wasn't fucking see-through.
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>>173102940
You can by reseting your character customization
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>>173116294
kek
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>>173112637
>>173115685
Combo chain could maybe have a head kick stun tap like Raider or a leg sweep like Valk. Valk leg sweep isn't useless, but it can be pretty easy to dodge and punish. All attacks really should be pretty low damage, but give the last hit in a chain a damage boost like with Zerker. Most people will break your chain or worse parry you out of it, but success will do a little extra for your risk.

Deflect...maybe a classic teleport behind you nothing personal kid followed by a kidney blow that does stamina damage. Drops stamina some like a shugoki headbutt and prevents it's regen for a couple of seconds in the same way. Not super overpowered, but offers something to make it worth doing more than just a parry.

Dodge attack should work like Nobushi where it cuts off the dodge animation, so you can dodge long and then attack, risking a GB or them prepping for a parry at the end, or dodge short like a dodge feint to try and bait a GB and punish.

For a zone something about the speed and range of Nobushi, a large 360 swing but kinda slow no more of that warp speed zone attack bullshit. Maybe even make it like Conq so you can keep twirling it but it burns stamina fast and doesn't do much damage.

They say they are working to fix the turtle defense meta, but assuming that doesn't happen every new hero should have an opener, no idea what that should be here, and if they do fix that general trend then nevermind.

For gear idk what the fuck they will do. Weapon is easy, blade, handle, chain/weight (if there is one). For armor though you can change your pyjamas chest up they will find a way, arms I'm not so sure maybe like Nobushi just different cloth sleeves and hand wraps with minor armor plates/bracers...helms I guess different hoods, some tight some loose, some with headbands.
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>law got 4v4 buffs
>conq is getting nerfed not reworked
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Sorry to shill my bullshit but I need to share this somewhere. Orochi's are the stupidest bitches around, no contest.

https://youtu.be/W9eEBM0B-94
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>>173117152
>14 second youtube video
make it a webm you money whore
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>>173091220
>>173091330
>>173092258
https://www.reddit.com/r/CompetitiveForHonor/comments/6132bk/executions_time_it_takes_to_kill_your_enemy/
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>>173117124
>Devs specifically said they wanted to avoid making him stronger in 4v4 since he was already good and make buff him for duels
>They do the exact opposite anyway
As if I needed more proof they have literally no idea how to balance shit
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>>173112637
>>173115685
>>173117094
For executions the weapon gives a lot of cool options, would like to hear ideas.

I would like one where you spin behind them (again classic teleports behind you), kicks the knees out so they fall to all fours, then flip the chain around their throat and press a foot or knee into their upper back. Choke them out a bit like this complete with grasping desperate hands trying to remove the chain, then let go of the kama and pull hard on the chain so it comes down quick and takes the head off before catching it in the main hand as the body goes limp...how's that for edgy?

>>173116045
Ahhh you make an excellent point, I didn't consider that. I got to be honest I always felt that feats recharging every round of Elim was a mistake, they should just carry over the cooldown. It would make feat cool down gear builds worth a damn for starters. I will point out that the Roachi Kunai is fairly easy to dodge it doesn't track very well, I see no reason this should be any different and it shouldn't have two charges or anything like that per cool down.

Last I've always been partial to the idea that projectiles should be blockable. Top stance parry as they come at you or something. Make the timing something a little different per projectile type, but still something you could learn. I really just thing projectiles in general are kinda misused as free damage in a 1v1. I like them better as something to stop people from fleeing or getting a revive, but seeing how that isn't how people use them they should be something you can defend against if people use them "wrong".
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I wish they'd stop making orders for Skirmish. It's easily the shittiest mode, and the mode with the most connection problems because entire teams get fucking dropped out of nowhere.
I wouldn't even bother with them except I need the exp for my Lawbringer
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>Face an Orochi who turtles as LB
>Literally can't do anything
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>>173116125
>>173116367
Well first off, rudeboy, I think you underestimate AAA developer incompetence. Though perhaps I underestimate their greed, hard to draw a line there.

Either way, I found most of Siege worked around peek advantage and flanking. Twitch headshots certainly come into play but most of the time you just get dinked in the head before you even see who shot you let alone get a chance at return fire. I suppose they could have been working on that basis, but I know from experience how broken BB ended up being. Couldn't play a game without there being one there to tank a million shots and pick you off. Still I think it's possible the devs were just in denial about how exploitable it was if they designed the concept around a different goal, making him louder is clearly a bad attempt to make him easier to flank. Wouldn't be the first time Devs miss something obvious that players abuse, and it isn't always about selling DLC lots of times it's base game.
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I fucking hate the AI in this game so fucking much, why the fuck are they so goddamn awful?
>Daily order to get executions in AI elimination
>Turn off matchmaking so I'm alone
>Fighting my guy
>He's one hit from dead, just need to get that hit to execute, but I'm playing Lawbringer and he's blocking everything
>Suddenly bot runs over to help me
>Spam nonstop I GOT THIS
>Bot still kills him anyway
>Next round kill my guy and go for the last one alive
>Find all three bots surrounding him
>Spam I GOT THIS again
>They all stop fighting and let me fight him
>Except all three bots are just walking around us as we fight, completely blocking my view of the enemy
>On top of that he's getting revenge nonfucking stop from them having him targeted
>Suddenly the enemy bot runs away to try to grab health
>Bots chase him and kill him before I catch up
This shit is fucking ridiculous
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>>173117423
>reddit link
nice try
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>hated the idea of a Gladius and a Caestus Centurion
>thought about it
>think of executions
>stabs you, and then smashes your face in repeatedly for a slow execution
>faster one could be him stabbing you in the neck, then using his caestus fist he punches the blade deep into your thoat at an angle then jerks it out
>one where he bitch slaps you, then while you're on your knees with the sword in your chest still, he kicks the hilt into you and pushes you down
>for a more elequent executioner
>he could tear the sword out, do a quick slash at the neck, chest and so on for a zig zag slice manuever and then punch you down
>for a more ridiculous one, he could do a long execution where he pulls out an SPQR war banner and jam it down your throat, and the executed body could be on its knees with the banner still there showing the faction/emblem/whatever until the person respawns
any other ideas for roman dominance??
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>>173118505
The second to last one makes me want a fencer with a Zorro execution
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>>173118091
It's a mix of both them being greedy kikes and them being incompetent. Anyone could tell BB was a blatantly OP character just from the concept alone.
But they are also incompetent considering there's still no immediate detection for running outside and it's a ridiculous one sided strategy
>Pick a camping place where the enemies will go by, a walkway outside the house, a balcony, you name it and prebreak a window once or twice
>Wait until they are shooting inside the objective room
>Hop outside and kill them
>Jump back inside before you're even detected and the enemy team never has a chance to stop you
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>>173118505
https://youtu.be/4R_8qDHl62Y

Any of these would work really, just replace the shield with a gauntlet/ceastus. Not hard to do really. I'd like the Centurion to be mostly a swift and efficient executioner, but that in no way means it can't be brutal. Also only one execute so far removes a limb, that should be corrected.
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>sit in queue for 5 minutes
>play 1 match
>repeat
((((((((fun))))))))))
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>>173119293
>Want exp for a new character
>Orders that give the most are either for Skirmish, or for mind numbing "kill 25-50 bots or kill 300-400 soldiers"
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>>173117742
>A series of spins while whipping the sickle at them
>make it two 3 blows landing across the chest at angles
>final big swing across the throat does the actual execution with a decapitation
>body falls limp to knees then flops forward.
>>173118505
>pull sword out
>quick upswing takes an arm off
>spinning backhand to the face with the gauntlet throws them back
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>tfw kensei main on PC, using Xbone controller
>stopped playing him shortly after getting to rep 9, switched to Nobu
>everyone and their mother are abusing that dash block gb now
>decide it's time to get back to my man Ken
>try to pull that shit off with controller and almost twist my finger
>none of the reflexes work when i try KB+M, and I can't even block properly with a mouse
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA THIS SHOULDN'T BE HAPPENING. WHAT THE FUCK AM I TO DO NOW
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>>173117094
>>173109224
I like this idea of a spinning charged heavy attack. Would increase their low damage, but as Conqs have learned it can be a dangerous move to attempt unless using it to bait a parry.
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>>173119774
You can tell the game was balanced around human hands on a controller in some places. Deflects and Kensei's dash being clear examples.
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>Find the one PK in existence who doesn't nonstop spam zones and lights when in revenge
>She's on my team
Just fucking kill me
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>>173118505
>>173118923
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YbBiXPVKuTA#t=01m24s
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>you'r trying a new character
>mirror match
>they are rep 5+
>win
the best feeling

It's pretty silly how many people don't know how to fight there own character
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>Face a guy who's playing Kensei
>He literally does the EXACT SAME THING over and over
>Point this out to him
>He calls me salty

Pointing out you are doing the exact same attack, over and over, with the same result (it missing) isn't "salt", it's advice. He would do his unblockable combo, then cancel the unblockable every single time. He didn't follow through once, and if he did, he would have hit me a lot more often.
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>Play against a high rep warden
>Does nothing except shoulder
>Even if I guess correctly that just sets us back to neutral and he shoulders again
>Interrupt him with a light once
>Now he's canceling his charges to parry my counters
>Can't do anything to stop this bullshit
When the fuck is he getting a nerf?
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What else can i do besides bash light with conq?

Pretend i'm fighting people that are not top players.
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>>173120809
Just happened to me. THREE TIMES IN A ROW. Truly wardens are the scum of this earth, I don't see any other single class as often as i do wardens.
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>>173120809
>>173121195
B-but you don't understand! Warden is absolutely balanced you just need to stop being predictable or just roll away so he can start up a shoulder again once he gets within range and eventually put you against a wall.

Seriously though, fuck Wardens and how up their own ass they are trying to justify that he's absolutely balanced when no other character has the sort of toolkit he does to lock you down
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>>173120809
M E A S L E
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>Playing elimination as a Lawbringer
>My team is complete fucking trash
>I'm regularly having to carry us in 1v3s or 1v4s
>End up losing because my team is contributing almost nothing, even though I revived them nonstop every round
>End up with over 10 kills at the end
When are they actually going to implement decent matchmaking? I should not be carrying the fucking team this heavily as a goddamn Lawbringer
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I am convinced an LB cannot beat a Shugoki if both are equally skilled

there's just no way to deal with the hyper armour easily
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>>173121186
>cunqks have to alt tab to ask for advice mid duels
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>>173121347
Wardens are right up there with PKs denying that their class is unbalanced as hell. If you ever look at the official forums there are Warden mains just calling people bad for not being able to escape the vortex
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>>173121514
Grabs.
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Are we all just going to complain and blacklist every single hero until all of us are playing valk since we can all agree she's the least BS hero that isn't raider.
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>Fighting a Kensei as Kensei
>Attack a few times
>He just counter-attacks
>Stop attacking
>We both stand there
>He's jiggling his guard around in circles
>Doesn't attack at all
>Go for an attack
>He does the GB dash
>Stop attacking completely
>Clock runs down
>He complains that I play too passively
>Next round starts
>Alt-F4, can't be bothered

I hope he was aware of the irony.
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>>173122120
(You)
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I can't even finish duels anymore. Thanks Ubi.
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>>173122278
that last parry made me cum
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>Playing elimination
>Kill my guy, try to go for a revive
>End up getting killed by the person guarding the body
>Meanwhile my friendly Orochi with no kills is standing on top of the bridge near my body emoting nonstop
>He's the last one alive against three people
>There's plenty of time for him to come get me
>Spam for a revive
>He just keeps emoting until they come and fight him
Something needs to be fucking done about honorfags. This shit absolutely ruins elimination
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>>173121893
>close the gap to go for a gb
>get light and headbutted
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>>173122763
>Play another game of elimination
>We have one bot on our team right from the start, so we're already at a disadvantage
>I ledge my opponents when I can to try to go help the team faster, since we have a bot
>Honorfag on my team wants me to stop ledging
>Tell him no, we're a fucking man down and I'm gonna use every advantage I can get
>Tie breaker round it's 2v2, me and the honorfag on our team
>He literally steps aside and let's them double team me, only trying to hit me with lights to interrupt me from defending myself
>End up ledging both of them anyway
Seriously, why the fuck are people in this game massive fucking faggots?
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>>173123437
No. I do not believe you. You must be making this shit up, no way someone would actually hit their own teammate to ruin the game, wtf.
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>>173121514
Grab every time his hyper armor is up and then punish the light he throws out to try to drain you of stamina and curb your aggression. AD MORTEM and you will deal a massive portion of damage. If they're a REALLY good shugoki though, there's no beating them. They will never do anything but the dash vortex because they never NEED to do anything but the dash vortex.
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>>173123979
I swear to god I'm not making it up. The worst part is that we're on console, so he must have went out of his fucking way to message the enemies to set that up, because neither of them ever tried hitting him, I just found both enemies and my teammate standing together near a ledge and they tried throwing me off
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>>173097503
I barely see anyone play her senpai
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>>173097503
honestly there's nothing wrong with valk, anon
i used to be terrified of her but then i learned how to play against her and i realised she's just good, but if i lose it's my own mistake
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Orochi main here wanting to pick up Nobushi.
What's her playstyle in the current meta and strategies/combos with her? I've been getting sick of Orochi and how lacking he is in actually being able to open up turtles, his attack variety and mixup potential.
How hard of a time will I have in trying to pick up Nobushi?
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>>173124467
nobushi isn't actually that much better at opening people up, and you don't have a bullshit zone that operates at hyperspeed as an offense option

i also find her way easier to parry than orochi

that's all i know about her tho, someone will post combos eventually
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>>173104280
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>>173119774
>Ran
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>>173124121
what the actual fuck
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>>173119774
>dude wears plate armor
>is a samurai
>has the samurai aesthetic
Umm Ubi? Can we have some of that too?
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>>173125339
I don't know what to say man. Naming this game for honor was a fucking mistake, autists think you need to play like some gentlemen or some shit otherwise they'll throw a goddamn tantrum.
By far though this was the worst guy I've met pulling this shit, I really wish there was a block player function at least so I can avoid this shit. I blocked him through xbox, but I think that just cuts communication and not gameplay shit
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>>173125650
no because if that were true then they'd have to put more effort in

for honor's samurai are post-calamity, they're in ruins, anon
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>fik-shun plays for honor
I bet he mains orochi
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Recovering Gameplay State. Synchronizing...
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I'm tired of this game. The passive assassins, the exploits for practically free damage, warden and warlord having amazing move sets AND getting free hits with bashes that can't be punished.

Yeah I could play 4v4 and kill shitters all day, but when I fight someone I want to actually have a fight. There are two things that are not fun, shitter hitting, and staring contests, and that's all this game has.

Time to go play some other game I hate until I for no reason decide I want to bash my head against this wall again.
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>>173127583
>he was actually still playing
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>>173123437

>Kill Nobushi in Skirmish as xhe was about to execute someone
>Goes on in chat about how I have no honor, keeps mentioning me by name and how I am scum
>Tell them this is fucking skirmish and it's played like that
>No reaction, just more bitching
>My team is absolute ass and we lose
>"SEE, THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU ABANDON YOUR HONOR"
>I leave and join another match
>The same fucking nigger is there again in the enemy team and keeps talking about me, even though neither his teammates nor mine have any idea what he is on about
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patch when
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>This hardcore expensive hype promoting pre release with celebs and all that
>Ends up with 3k players average
Did they even get the money back they needed for hype building?
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>>173115098
source?
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>>173128425
>problems/balance issues/connectivity issues
>over 3 months before patch drops

no wonder people are leaving
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>>173128425
>people only play on steam
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>>173118365
haha wtf
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>>173120809
lmao just roll away, how is this a thing haha
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>>173128425
>make a game
>dont fix things
>break even more things
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>>173129053
double that figure and it still doesn't look good compared to 100k+ on release and 180k in beta
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>>173120809
Haha just roll backwards bro
Which does nothing but start the whole thing anew so you have to roll backwards again
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>cant parry pk/valk lights worth shit

ughh
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>>173130657
pk is borderline impossible for me, but valk is pretty easy

just expect a second light and you'll get a ton of free parries
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Should I get Kensei's ''For Shame''

Might be funny if the opponent runs for a buff and then tries to fight me
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Why are the people who play elimination such fucking cancer?

I ledged someone who was standing next to a cliff and this was his response.
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>>173130830
>Itzx
Not a shocker honestly
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>>173130989
Was a Warden main and a total honorfag. Thing is: honorfags won't gank people or help their teammates, but they'll turn tail and run or use healing feats when they start to lose, and complain when someone beats them.

Fortunately I got my five games as a Heavy in. Had someone call me salty when I ran from a group of three LBs to bottleneck them in a corridor.
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>>173130779
they're not landing hits as im always blocking them but i can never seem to parry them.

i've tried to tho wout a heavy as i switch guard but it always end in a block for me
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>>173130779
>pk is borderline impossible for me, but valk is pretty easy
they are exactly the same speed save for pks broken zone
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so such valk is such a cunt to fight against, Im going to play her for a while so I can know how to counter her

any good youtubers use valk

>inb4 daryusp
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kensei unblockable after a dodge attack
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>>173131095
>read this as I'm about to go against 4 Shugs
You did good, anon
tasukete
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>no patch
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>>173131185
Valk second light is 500ms, pks is 400ms, with guard change speed its very difficult to parry pk second hits in comparison
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>>173131185
Only initial lights: PKs followup is faster. Plus, the same speed means nothing about the parry window. Nobushis side lights are also 500ms, and they're easy as sin to parry because the window is near the end of the animation.
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>>173124121
This makes me mad. I am picturing a warden, a pk and a roach just standing there waiting for you (also a warden)
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>>173131786
the window is when you get hit
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>>173131786
>That feel when too slow to parry Nobushi's side lights as Lawbringer

Guess it's time to commit kamehameha.
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>>173131847
The window is whenever the icon flashes and says when the window is.
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>>173131858
Whenever you see the indicator, just hammer your guard to that side and smash the heavy attack button. It should work out for you.

Try it out against a friend, or more likely a bot since you're on 4chan. You'll get the hang of it!
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>>173131939
do you have a single fact to back up that they are not the same
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>>173132038
Thanks, Anon. I feel like my reactions are too slow, though.
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>>173132083
Do you have a single shred of evidence that they're the same?
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>>173132142
you said they werent first
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>main law
>staying away from duels

i like duel but there's fuck all i can do when everyone is a pk/warden/orochi/conq
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>>173132315
Orochi isn't too bad. Valk is worse.
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>>173132315

lmao try shugoki vs law
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>>173132565
>Go against Shugoki as Law
>He just does his charge over and over
>Misses nearly every time
>Get a hit or two in
>Whittle him down to nearly dead
>Make a single mistake or dodge at the wrong time
>He uses demon charge
>Lose round

FUCK.
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>>173132670

what a bad shugoki
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>>173132565
i avoid any and all shuggies
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>>173091392
>got Impaler cuz looks cool af
>turns out it's also the FASTEST execution
Hot damn.
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>>173095562
>conq is acceptable
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>>173133154
>gutting the hymen of a PK with you big strong pike

best execution
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>>173101339
>still giving him (you)s
>typing all that shit over a swastika
>on 4chan
Is this bait? If it is, it's really good.
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>>173091438
You know she'd be firm as fuck underneath
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>they still haven't fixed the bug where nobushi can telekinetically kill people with bleed from miles away

are you fucking kidding ubi this shit has been in the game since beta
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>PK banned from PS4 tournaments
>her light attacks are too fast at 30fps
lmao
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>>173134485
They really are. You have half the time to react to them or something on consoles, right, so they're like... human-reaction time fast.
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>get put in with middle easten ragheads
>RESYNCING
>SYNC COMPLETE
>RESYNCING
>SYNC COMPLETE
>CONNECTION LOST

nice good job sweet 10/10 its great
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>>173134640
1. That's not how FPS works you goon
2. Even if that was how FPS works, PKs lights would be 250ms, which is exactly the average human reaction time. Which means that the 100ms stance change would make them impossible to block, without even factoring in monitor or input delay.

>>173134485
PK lights take 15 frames on consoles. Stance change, assuming you're not on one of the classes that takes a delay for changing twice, takes up 3 of those frames. This leaves you 12 frames to block, which is further lowered by delay from playing on a TV and with a controller.

It's not impossible to do, but it's hard as shit to do consistently. And you can forget about parrying, which means that now you really can't punish the PK for spamming lights. She just hammers light attack until she's out of stamina, and then spams dodges back while you sprint to catch up.
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>tfw gonna git my black iron in 3 levels
what armor is good for a Black Knight Warden? I was thinking Dain Chest > Merope Arms > Not sure what helm.
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3,635 playing 23 min ago
4,963 24-hour peak

10-15 min ques?
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>people with rep 3 bragging about winning against my rep 0 level 2 valk that I started playing a half hour ago

what the hell is up with some people?
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Warlord needs to be nerfed immediately, I can't stand it anymore.
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>>173135560

my ques are 30 secs
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>>173135560
Check your connection.
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>>173134485
>pk shitters still trying to defend their "class"
always the funniest post of the day
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>>173133729
>pk
>hymen

bruh
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>>173135642
desu valks sweep spam is stupid given how fast she can push out two lights
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>>173134485
But that's bullshit. I play PK on Xbone and people block lights all the fucking time. If you're not good enough to, don't enter a tourney.
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>>173136197
If you're not good enough to play PK in the cancerous way everyone else does, don't play PK you fucking shitter.
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>>173136297
t. too slow

It's only cancerous if you're bad. PK Lights are the same deal as Warden's vortex: stomp on shitters, useless at higher levels.

Not my fault you don't know what higher levels look like.
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>>173136019

I barely did the sweep because I dont know the combos properly, all I did was parry really
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>>173136485
>Not my fault you're too bad at the game to play PK properly and understand why she's getting reworked.
Why don't you play Warden then if you're such a fucking for honor pro elitist?
I hear they are giving wardens a fedora ornament soon, I know you'll get rock hard over that cringe shit.
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>>173136485
>>173136485
If people are blocking your lights maybe you should try to git gud.
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>>173136643
PK isn't being reworked at all, though. Her zone and dash attacks are getting numbers nerfs. If lights were broken, they would be what was getting nerfed.

I think I get where you're coming from, now. 7/10, decent bait. Got some replies from me.
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>Manage to kill 2 of the 3 left on my own in Elimination
>Berserker with 108 GS left
>Places a trap and just stands there, cant do anything
>Throws axes and runs away for timeouts if he has no traps
>Too slow to catch up

Items and buffs were a mistake
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>>173136485
no.

PK is literally just cancerous design. And I never have trouble fighting them. But that doesnt mean it isnt a cancerous design that is literally only there to let the bad players have an advantage and feel like a big boy for once.

Seriously, if you play PK you just suck.
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>>173136832
Nice backpedaling.
You sure you don't play orochi?
They should rename PK into BK after you.
Crutch mains are always the best.
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>>173136485
>warden's vortex is useless at higher levels
>im-fucking-plying
Initiate then cancel it for an easy parry, yeah real useless.
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>>173136589
at the end of any combo hold moveback+heavy, you can even do it even if the combo doesnt even land a single hit.

the most annoying one is where valk fake heavy into charge into sweep which uses fuck all stamina and give her a free heavy which can combo into harrier's fury which lead back round into the sweep after a light attack

its a nasty little combo and one that pisses me off to no end since her 2nd light of a combo is the fastest
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>>173136832
Ubisoft runs the game, dumbass. They dont know WHAT they need to balance.

Seriously, the Lawman buffs dont even fix his glaring issues. They dont even have a netcode good enough to make dedicated servers. They made the fucking DIVISION. Stop acting like your loss shield makes you good at the game cause Ubisoft is retarded.

The fact of the matter is that PK is a character designed to be mobile and fast so she can forgive her players mistakes. The whole point is so you can be forgiven for having shitty fundamentals and no concept of reading an opponent or being patient.

Which is fine, you can continue to suck dick and live in a fantasy land while actually good players wipe the floor with your ass without being killed once. Nobody is saying you cant. But dont come here and act like your opinion is worth something. If I was a CEO of a big company, listening to your opinion would be like asking about business advice for my company from a hooker I just pounded for 10 dollars.
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>>173136981
Do you even know what backpedaling is? I'll give you a hint: it's that thing I do when out of stamina, You know, that your slow as class an't keep up with :^)

>>173136930
>Character has the least health
>Lowest throw distance
>Reactive Block
>No unblockable to crack open turtles
>Somehow cancerous by design

This is my favorite meme. All PK has is decently fast attacks, which is entirely fucking neutered by someone with decently fast reactions. You know how you shut down a PK? You fucking block.

Oh, what, you can't block half a second attacks? Then just scream for a nerf. Make a character even harder to play in higher tiers just so your kids table can feel better about themselves.

Pathetic.
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This question must come quite often but I can get this game for free with my new graphic card (this or ghost recon wildlands). Are the balance and shit p2p connection completely game breaking ?
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>>173137431
You do realize your posts are making you look more and more like a typical pathetic dumbass low skill PK main shitter, right?
Please continue to embarass yourself and amuse me at the same time, I don't even need to reply anymore because your arguments have been so shit post tier that other people are blowing your ass open about it.
inb4 jk guys I was just pretending to be retarded, 10/10 bait hahaha amirite?
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>>173116045
I've never ran away as Roach-boy
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>>173137431
I said I never had a problem with PK. She isnt hard to beat when you can react. But that doesnt change that she is designed to let the player have weak fundamentals and be hyper aggressive with little to no consequences for it. That doesnt take skill. Im sorry anon, but you just need to get off your high horse of edge and angst to realize that she isnt really that hard to play, gives very high rewards even if you arent good with her, and exploits the games mechanical weaknesses to make playing against her objectively unfair to many people. Whether or not you want to believe it, or even if you win with it (cause lets be real, I wouldnt be surprised if PK babied you into not even knowing what a parry is) she is designed to be babbys first win.

Now hush, babby. Big boys wanna talk about the game.
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>>173137431
>which is entirely fucking neutered by someone with decently fast reactions. You know how you shut down a PK? You fucking block.
yes that would be fine if a third of the entire cast is literally unable to react to all of her lightspam
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>*pomf*
>wah!
>what are going to do on the wall?
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Is there any way to open a good conq?
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>>173116045
>Play Elimination as Orochi
>Get mirrored by another much higher Rep Orochi
>He kicks my shit in on one round, but go down fighting
>Get him in the last round
>Kick his shit in and he's left with 1 bar
>Runs away to grab buffs the instant things go south for him

It's these fucking Roaches which disgust me.
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>>173137431
Is every peacekeeper shitter this delusional?
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>>173137498
I'd say for honor just because I had no fun with the wildlands beta when I played with a friend but they're completely different games
FH is way more of a niche market than wildlands
balance is decent unless you want to play raider/lawbringer/nobushi in which wait till they get buffed
connections are really hit or miss, I almost never get DC'ed but some people get dropped every other match allegedly
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>>173138241
He is right tho, the only real problem with PK is the flicker and maybe the second light should be as fast as the first.
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>>173138118
>learn about versatility
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>>173138241
Yes, just look at this one >>173138559
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So... how do I play Warlord?
Just turtle and open people with headbutt?
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>>173138765
Yes. And trade with your hyper armor. You most likely have more HP than them.
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>>173138736
I play Warlord. Never touched PK.
Now go on crying about Warlord.
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>>173139072
>warlord
Now i see why you got problems only with zone lol
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I fucking despise the noise Berserker's axe makes. It's really annoying.
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>>173139509
CLUNKSHINK.
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I'm so fucking Jewish with my steel

I dont want to get stuff and then have them release cooler stuff the next day
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>>173139509
His backdash animation pisses me off, smug looking faggot just backdashing forever
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>>173139171
It's not PK fault if your character can't change guard fast enough.
They should make the guard switch the same for everyone.
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Reminder that FH still has around ~170k people across Xbone and PS4 combined.

There's also at least ~40k people on PC, the main quitters are Steam users.

You can verify this by checking the Community Order leaderboards.
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>>173140029
>b-but ded gaem
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Are you a fucking quitter /fhg/ ?
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>>173140284
only when i get put into a game where we are at <100 points while the enemy is 700>
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>>173139919
But it IS pk fault. He literally got the fastest attack in the entire game.
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>>173131095
#notallhonorfags
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Anybody know when bots become level 3's in Player vs Ai and PVP? I'm rep 7 with LB and I'm still just fighting level 1s and 2s in all modes.
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>>173140906
I don't think they do, because Level 3 bots cheat.
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>>173140284

I quit whenever my team in 4v4 is absolutely useless. So yeah I quit quite a bit.
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>>173140906
Completely random I think

I lost a game against 3 level 3 bots once, input reading cunts
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>>173140712
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Non-native to the generals, lads

Is the game active enough to be worth still getting?

PS4 or PC? My PC would likely run it at medium settings/30fps-ish
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Why can't you change the practice vs. ai opponents?
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>>173127893

Fuck off
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>>173141504
Not yet, it's a bit of a fixer-upper. If things go well enough the player base will come back, but right now it's steadily dropping.
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>>173141504
PS4 if your PC wont be able to handle it at 60, PS4 has a bigger playerbase
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>>173141504
I'd get the PS4 version with those specs. And for fighting games in general it's usually better to strike the iron while it's hot. I'm sure you'll do fine if you do the campaign and practice against the AI some though.
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>lawbringer
>defensive warden
why bother? everything always fails to open him up while his charge lets him get two lights even if i dodge it and try to punish him i end up shoving him or he just CGB out of it
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>>173141664
>>173141671
>>173141728

Noted. I'll hold off a bit, listen to news and updates, and expect to get it for PS4 if at all.
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>>173141791
Duel mode is pure undiluterd cancer, dont even bother.
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>>173141791
Double feint top heavy until it does the spin and let the third heavy complete (or do light attacks). Side light his vortex. Get him low stamina and punish it with the long arm and keep him winded.
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>>173141791
>defensive warden

Well, yeah? Why would he be aggressive? He knows you'll be fishing for parries into AD MORTEM and he won't want to give those to you.
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>>173099808
So you voted for Hillary?
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>>173117124
What buffs did the lawman get? Can't see any changes from the OP.
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Does Warden have the best 50/50 in the game?
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>>173142267
>counter attacker
>get counted attacked
crushing counter should be a lawbringer move
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>>173142870
Not even close. Shugoki is better.
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>>173142868
Nevermind I found it:
Longarm

Now gives a guaranteed side heavy, no top

Swift Justice (HLH)

Light timing 700ms -> 500ms
Top light damage 10 -> 15
Side light damage 8 -> 15

Book Chapter Verse (LHL)

Heavy timing 1000ms -> 900ms
Top heavy damage 20 -> 35
Side heavy damage 20 -> 30
Top light finish damage 10 -> 15
Side light finish damage 8 -> 15

Judge Jury Executioner (LHH)

Heavy timing 1000ms -> 900ms
Unblockable damage 30 -> 45

Impelling Riposte

Guaranteed on parry

Light Riposte

Now stuns
Larger trigger window

Make Way (ZA) (on parry)

Guaranteed
Hyperarmor
Damage 20 -> 25

Seems decent enough. Guaranteed side heavy after long arm is really decent for the windup, and not having any other unblockable besides shove is great.
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>>173142868
Basically:
>All of Lawbringer's chains are faster and stronger across the board
>Shove -> light is faster (as fast as a neutral top light) at any angle
>Long Arm now confirms a side heavy
>Nearly all of his parry follow-ups are improved
>>Light riposte stuns and has a larger window
>>Impale is now confirmed off any parry
>>Zone attack is now confirmed, hits harder, and has super armor
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>>173143154
>>173143159
And yet lawmains will say he got the wrong buffs because he still doesn't have a good guaranteed opener.
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>>173143154
Where are you pulling those attack timings from? The Warrior's Den livestream didn't go that far into numbers save for a few damage amounts.
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Orochi who min max revenge and run from fights should be forcibly castrated and lobotomised. Can we all agree on this?
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>>173143543
Revenge builds are getting nerfed hard. That's castration enough.
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>>173143465
Which is true, all these will do is make him scarier in 4v4.
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>>173143743
Lawbringer's schtick is being the parry king. He gets all his good shit off parries. If you give him a strong opener on top of his strong parries, you're asking for a new flavor of cancer.
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>>173143713
That patch is a month away and these people shouldn't be allowed to exist for that long.
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>>173102734
Reset character should be there somewhere and it restores default color even though it is locked
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Man shugoki can be tough to play but damn if youre good you can mince anyone

what can beat a good goki?
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>>173104280
>she is free to penetrate me at any time during the night without my consent

That sounds kind of UNLAWFUL
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>>173102734
Dusk and Storm are bugged. Ever since the servers shit themselves weeks ago, those two colors - which are meant to be baseline accessible - have been locked. You would still be wearing them if you already had them equipped, but if you ever switched to a different color, you couldn't equip it again.

I'm fairly certain Ubisoft knows about the bug by now, but that's a low priority right now compared to everything else they're working on.
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>>173144092
Peacekeeper, unsurprisingly. The secret to dealing with Shugoki is negating his super armor, since he takes extra damage when it's down after a single hit. When his armor is down, he's very vulnerable, and you need to take advantage of the opening.
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>>173135968
Yea, fanmade tournaments organized by players... No prejudice could be made... Pk counters the turtle meta... Get rid of her so everyone can stare at each other for 5 minutes... Or at this moment, have 2 shigoki run around waiting for a charge for a free hit, rinse repeat... So fun...
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>>173143465
>>173143897
To be fair, Lawman also lacks good bait. What is he going to parry if the enemy just doesn't attack first?

>inb4 feint

Feinting is incredibly weak on slower attackers like Lawbringer since it happens too early in the attack animation and cannot be delayed.
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>>173144338

best way to open his armor is gb, but a good goki will just light + headbutt all attempts, all I have to do is play defensive until it regens
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>>173137339
The fuck you talking about, the changes to the parry abilities automatically open up 1v1 power which as his glaring issue, and long arm guarenteed side heavy is also helpful... Number changes all round helps in the raw... Idk where the fuck people keep getting his 4v4 was buffed more than his 1v1
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>>173142013
>side light his vortex
Is this a better idea than top lights?
Why?
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>>173143897
Except that none of these changes will affect his matchup agaisnt say a warden or a conqueror, you can't parry any attacks if they don't give you them.

But then again you can just argue that it's an issue with those 2 rather than lawbringer but we only know of a "slight" nerf to conq and that nothing is happening to warden this patch.
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>pk spams lights and zone
>call me a noob
projecting much?
nerf to light speeds when?
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>>173144861
We don't know if anything is happening to Warden. All we know is that there are a bunch of changes coming and that "a majority" of characters are getting touched. Ubisoft has been mum about the Warden ever since they started the devstreams.
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>>173144832
range and the speed is fast enough.
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>>173145049
Cool. Thanks!
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>>173104280
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>>173144901
Hopefully with the coming nerf to her flicker and safety of her zone it wont be an issue anymore, if it gives me a free guardbreak on block i'll laugh all the way to the execution.

>>173145046
I'm aware, i just hope they make it punishable on dodge and it takes 100ms longer before you are allowed to cancel into gb/neutral to parry in the future, far too safe agaisnt most characters at the moment.
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>>173141503
This actually gives them revenge faster- teammates need to stand off.
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>>173139919
>change this one character
>or change multiple characters for the same result
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Why the fuck are bots allowed to pull this DBZ shit on me??? I'm so fucking done with this game now!!! Sick of cheaters :(
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>>173145780
H-HE'S FAST!!!
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>play dominion
>its a stomp from one or another
>always ends with a crash if its my win
>never crashes if its my loss
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>>173142870
By definition no, since it's not a true 50/50.

Fat Jap has a better one.
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>>173093018
I replaced the StarCraft bird and radiation with something else by now I think
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>cant even find matches anymore without massive queue times
lmao

yep

its over boys, pack it up.
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>>173146603
works on my machine
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Why can't I stop playing raider
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>>173146603
Define "massive", I find one in a minute or two at maximum.
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I wish I could play a single 4v4 match where one or more of my teammates didn't quit before we've even laid eyes on the enemies yet.
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Just had a legit 3v4 in Dominion, not even a bot to replace.
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Valk is top fun

>>173147759

Am I the only person that doesnt experiance any of this

sure I get the odd disconnect but they problems aren't that bad, most annoying one id the quit to world map freeze after a match
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>parry
>gb
>this happens
someone explain, it happens way too much
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>>173148479

I dunno, maybe I'm just a statistical miracle, because joining games in progress, where I'm the only human player while being down 700 points is really not that uncommon.

I'm more surprised if all 8 players are still in the game after the loading screen
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>>173147976
"if you kill your enemy, they win"
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>>173148694
Yeah been happening to me on kensei also
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>>173148694
dubuff resistance speeds up recovery times of parries.
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>>173149636
I thought they fixed that?
Or is that in the changelog for the upcoming patch?
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delve into the mind of a PK main
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>>173148479

nvm shes shit vs people who know what they are doing
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Do you think it would be a good idea to make certain heroes' light chains slower if the first light whiffs? I think it would be a good way to punish light spam without nerfing them too much.
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>>173150525
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>>173150706

You just made beserker worse
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>get black Iron
>literally all my gear is ugly with Black Iron
>proceed to never use Black Iron
Nice cosmetics ubibabs.
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>>173150149
Upcoming patch. It's a know issue. Gonna be funny all the people who spent steel stacking debuff resist on their gear.
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>>173147759
If our team has two or more lawbringers, or the enemy team has two or more fat japs, I'm out.

I have better things to do with my time.
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is there a way to mute chat globally?
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>>173150871
Berserker doesn't have any LL chains, just LH
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>>173150871
I don't play berserker but every one I've gone up against uses light/heavy chains.
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>>173150940
>if my team has two or more dudes who are great for team fights I quit
>I can't be assed out to deal with a free win
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>>173112637
GBs right now reduce your damage right? I notice in some instances if someone grabs my target right as my shugoki charged heavy lands it does light attack damage rather than the typical 2-3 bars.

Never confirmed this is how it worked, but if so then combined with it pulling people around it wouldn't really be that useful for ganks. Raider carry, LB flip, Goki grab, and Vlak leg sweep are all better in that regard.
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SPEND STEEL OR WAIT FOR MORE STUFF
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>>173150940

like wait in a lobby?
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>>173151153
The thing about force multiplication is you have to have a force to multiply.

Double law is a hilarious comedy sketch of tangled poles and interrupting teammates.

You're relying on both Laws not to be retards, and that is asking too much of this community.
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>>173151148

Because of the combo where heavies can become the speed of lights
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>>173151102
>>173151148
Berserker has light, parried, light, and parried, parried, parried, as well as his zone attack, and his dash forward parried.
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Lads, when will orochi get a buff? Such a bad character, easily low tier.

Kensei and berzerker need buffs asap too.
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>>173151102
>>173151148
Berserker's only chains are alternating light and heavy and HHH. Plus, Berserker already has a passive that says if she whiffs any attack, she can cancel that whiff recovery into a zone or a dodge.
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>>173151481

>Kensei and berzerker need buffs asap too.

Tomorrows stream should make you happy then
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>>173150938
It'll still be the best in slot stat for helmets unless you're a Warden.
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>>173151481
Most characters are going to be touched in this upcoming patch. Kensei and Berserker are confirmed getting rebalanced, while Raider and Orochi will be left alone (this time).
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So is Berserker actually good on console?

PC hes kinda of tricky to use but when I watch videos people just seem to actually get away with the combos
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>>173151541

Probably not because I don't play kensei or berzerker. I like orochi but he is legit trash tier atm which is why so many just run away for powerups I suspects.

Upcoming pk "nerf" is going to unintentionally buff pk by discouraging players from using punishable lunges and sticking to light attack spam instead, that will make me happy at least to see more crying about them.

>>173151684

>orochi left alone
>needs changes more than any other char right now (except perhaps pk who see above)

if they fix the flicker bug this patch then orochi will be bottom of bottom tier.
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>>173102726
>>173135560
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>>173151389
this
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yu1zT1KjbPk
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D-Deus Vult?
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>>173152946
Who cares, there's an entire week of this round left.
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>>173151783
A bit less sucky. That doesn't stop berserker being one of the easiest classes to parry though, since you can expect about every other of their attacks being heavies.
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>>173152946
>been placing my assets to areas that is over 52%
i want to see what happen when we do get pushed back to a single area
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Any word on update schedule yet?
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>>173151640
Even for warden's it's still the best since it's not like you get bleed resist right away and the other helmet stats are worthless

Also the bleed resist feat feels kinda bittersweet to me. Feels great when I fight a pk in elim who immediately uses sharpen blades. Feels kinda bad when I fight a nobushi and half her attacks become completely worthless
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>>173133154
>Get Impaler because Impaler
>Get Stomp
>People that fight me well, and don't do shit like run away get the Impaler
>Fags get the Stomp.

Feels good, man.
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I got rep 8 on Warden. Got some outfits and an execution. Im done with him for now.

7 decides who I get to rep 3 next.
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lewds when
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>>173152946

we are fucked
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>>173153935
peacekeepr
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>>173098313

Im starting to lose it over swastikas cause of the obvious rise irl of fascist fucks that need to be shot in the face
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My hohol friend made it today r8
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>>173136981
>someone saved my round ending captures
wut
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It's ridiculous to see how much the knights get btfo. Just kill the faction already, every time we make it to the other factions stronghold we get owned for the rest 8 turns or so
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loop test
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>>173153935
Thicc
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Fellow Lawmen:

Zelos or Daresh?
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>>173153935
T h i c c
h
i
c
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>>173153935
law
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>>173155840
Emmie for me, but I have the axe blade ornament so I'm going for the murmillo look.
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>>173153935
Hey>>173155917
fuck off,
>>173155847
was first!
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>>173155840

Zelos
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>>173155840
Deneb > all
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>pk banned in tourneys
> fat fuck shugoki isn't

This reddit balancing is fucking cancer.
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>>173157107
Do you play a heavy class? 99% of what shugoki can do is avoidable...if you can dodge.
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>>173157360
>he doesn't know about the shugoki vortex
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>>173157107
>game launches
>pick shugoki to main
>get him to R16
>turbo autists exploit his rush and make him toppest tier
>now every fucking brawl or 4v4 match has 2-3 shugos

I hate it, I hope they nerf the fuck out of the Oni rush and change the defensive meta so people don't need to rely on openers. I want it to go back to being the only Goki in the match.
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>>173157697
>every single mixup is a """vortex"""
I hope everyone misusing fighting game terminology kills themselves.
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>>173158119
It's a vortex, not a simple mixup. Reacting to one shuts you out of reacting to the other.
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>>173157360
Trying to dodge Oni Rush with Warlord is a massive pain, it might be okay if a headbutt stoped him or at least canceled each other out, but right now it's just ridiculous for non assassin classes.
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>>173158331
If they're doing it right assassins are fucked too. Remember, he has hyper armor, your dodge attack isn't going to save you from a gb.
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>>173157746
Rep 13 shugo main here, I feel exactly the same.

Post your goki
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>>173158284
That's not the definition of a vortex, that's the definition of a mixup.

A vortex is a mixup that sets up itself if you guess wrong, trapping you until you guess right. Warden Shoulder Bash mixups linking into another Shoulder Bash is a better example, although you can just roll out of it so it's not a true vortex either.

Shugoki running you over or GB heavying you sets up nothing, it resets to neutral.
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>>173158905
I think the fact that dash is able to be set up while your opponent recovers from either the ground heavy or the gb heavy can classify it as a vortex. You are given an opening to set up another sprint and you never, ever have to stop.
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>>173159338
The opponent doesn't "recover from the ground heavy", characters have Uninterruptible status on wakeup to prevent stunlocks (you can tell by the white flash).

This is also why some OTG punishes are unsafe on hit, because the opponent recovers from the knockdown before you recover from attacking them, and they can GB you. For example, Shugoki full-charged heavy is unsafe on hit against a prone enemy.
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>>173159338
It's bs, but if you're playing an assassin or vanguard then your dodge is actually far enough to get you out of the way. I'm sorry for you heavies and hybrids though, you have to learn to guardbreak because your dash doesn't travel very far.
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>>173159682
Shugoki is safe from his ground heavy on an opponent knocked over by charge.
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>>173133474
I shit you not dude, i had a fucked up dream after spending 12 hours playing on my "day off" and i swear the dream involved my warden getting a weird white pistol with an acog scope as a feat.
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>>173160389
Yes, I know, but the Shugoki doesn't recover from the heavy fast enough to set up another unavoidable sprint.
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>>173096767
I've been toying with the idea of making a ghost emblem
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>>173158632
Don't have the club I want yet, accidentally scrapped it, but this is my default right now. New ornament was too fucking cool not to get eh.
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reminder pk lights are parryable by anyone if you cant then you are just bad
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>>173153802
Almost 7k steel on me, Stomp or save up for suit of infinite fire spam?
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>>173162525
Do you have The Impaler?
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>>173093018
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>>173162358
are you stupid

the second light in the chain is the problem, not the initial one
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>>173163148

just parry the first then
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>beat a guy
>rematch
>he changes to PK

Why does this keeps happening.
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>>173163028
Not him, but impaler a best.
I wish I liked stomp better, but Back Breaker is just too good for the second slot if you're not pressed for time, especially with flames.
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>>173163213
Stop rematching people?
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>>173163186
a good PK would open with zone which is also 400ms
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>>173163213
Next time just go "gg no re" after beating someone and requeue instead of rematching.
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>>173163213
rematch them again and pick your lvl 1 pk and beat them
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>>173163261
Oh and also had this at one point
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>friend tells me fh is better with a controller
>lends me a dualshock 4
>these analog sticks

How the fuck do you faggots manage this shit.
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>>173163261
>named AC_Supplice
>no Berlioz emblem
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>>173163472
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>>173163473
Your friend lied to you.
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>>173162054
Somehow headbutts feel even more satisfying

>>173163473
Adjust the deadzone on right stick
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List of Shit I Cannot Stand

>shugoki tank shit and random hits from nowhere, unblockable spam
>valkyrie's bobby hill voice and that fucking sound she makes when she does the sweep I can't fucking stand it, light spam for fucking days christ, ranged bullshit
>orochi just light attacks all day long, spam guardbreak and light forever, shitty design
>nobushi light spam, the fucking poison
>PK everything

Yeah yeah git gud le literally just do X how du breev, I'm just here to complain because I'm fucking salty
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>>173163612
Dude you're right but I made one; just haven't taken new pics yet. I think I did a pretty good job with my rendition of it. Currently on bus to go home, will post pic of it in about 30 mins, stay tuned
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>>173163656
>>173163472
I don't get it
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>>173164134
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>>173163028
Of course.
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Best Conq execution? I've only been using the default 2.
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>>173164478
The wind-up

Watch them beg for mercy
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>>173164478
see
>>173092258
The Pop Top and Gut Punch Neck Breaker are the best ones, the former for speed and the latter for healing when safe.
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We noticed that Kensei was a dominating force in lower level play and decided to make his dash forward top light a free guardbreak onblock, we think this will force Kensei players to think about other ways of opening their opponent up.

See you in the field!

t. Ubisoft Employee
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>>173163959
>shugoki tank shit and random hits from nowhere, unblockable spam
Random hits? also i dont see how unblockable can be an issue unless its in 4v4 and hes co-ordinating with a friend to gb you right before it hits like i have done
>valkyrie's bobby hill voice and that fucking sound she makes when she does the sweep I can't fucking stand it, light spam for fucking days christ, ranged bullshit
Her second light is quite easily parriable if you practice, when she unlocks it though thats when she becomes a problem for me.
>orochi just light attacks all day long, spam guardbreak and light forever, shitty design
For me i hold guard on right side, block any hit that comes from the left (rare as shit these are usually just flickers instead of actual attacks) block his zone and parry his top lights
>nobushi light spam, the fucking poison
I find nobushi lights one of the easiest in the game to parry with such good reward, her heavies are annoying because alot of characters get fuck all from it.
>PK everything
Thankfully her zone is being nerfed and we'll only know the extent of what they mean with the indicator and light classification once we get the patch.

Sounds like you have trouble with lights mostly, i find it easiest to just pick a direction to focus on parrying from instead of trying to constantly parry.
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>>173165019
Honestly I'm just complaining, I have shit reaction times and people spamming lights completely overwhelm me. I also main Conq, and he aint too fast. I know I suck, can't parry worth a damn, so I block and guardbreak to try and chain Conq lights or a sneaky heavy if I feel good. Works, just not always. If the gameplay wasn't so appealing, I honestly wouldn't be here.
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>>173164478

neck breaker is cool as fuck
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>>173163769
Preach Brogoki, I used the mythic one before, but this anchor is great. Headbutt from that thing would cave a skull in.

Can't wait for the crab ornament though that will be my go to whenever it comes out.
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>>173165696
Oh shit you are playing conq? completely ignore parrying then son just dodge into the attack with the block you see and just shield bash, literally all you need to do, feints mean nothing they cant light after in time in a different direction, if they feint to dodge the shield bash is still safe and you dont need to parry heavies just block them and you get a free gb, conqs broken, abuse it while it lasts i suppose.

Don't know why im telling you this, i fucking hate conqs.
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>>173163213
This happened to me too

>beat an orochi 3-0
>rematch because I assume he just wants to practice and get better
>goes pk
>3-0's me
>emote spams every time he wins

Insufferable
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>>173166087
Wait so does conq get a free gb when he blocks a heavy?

I barely play conq but sometimes i notice he blocks an attack differently (I know it's not a parry)
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>>173166089
>Guy is really good *character i want to get better at fighting*
>Want to rematch him
>He switches to something else
>Completely destroy him
>Rematch again hoping he switches back
>Hes the same character and gets destroyed slightly less

I wanted you to teach me u bastard not the other way round.
>>173166262
Yes.
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>>173161019
But he does set up for another instance of the 50/50.
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>>173166087
>Don't know why im telling you this, i fucking hate conqs.

kek cheers anyway m8
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>pk is losing dual 0-2
>desperately trying to get me towards a ledge
>force her into a corner
>valk light and area attack spam
>leaves immediately after death

I hope Ninja is like a short range Valk, tons of option in terms of moveset and transitions.
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>>173163117
>bottom left

This is pleasing to Slaanesh.
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So once Revenge stats get hard nerfed and Debuff Res gets fixed, what will be the worthwhile stats to invest in?
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I wish you could change your left axe appearance to match your right axe. I'm rep 8 now and I still haven't found a left handed Ariseis. I've found four Ariseis for the right side, but this game just doesn't want to give me the other side.

How is this shit so fucking rare? I've found three legionaries for both hands at this point.
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>>173167186
What do you think of this?
>>173117094

I'd play it
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>>173168140
Probably still revenge. It will get tuned down but likely still worth it.
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>play since release
>not even rep 1 with my main
How do you guys level so fast?
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>throwing out AD MORTEM on heavy parry so people learn they can parry it but when the patch the patch drop it'll be 100% chance to hit
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>>173169574
no?
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>>173169574
After the patch no one will attack a LB, it's useless.
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>>173168140
Revenge stats and Debuff Res.
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>>173169574
but that's wrong you dumb frog poster
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>>173131836
The enemies were a Beserker and a Warden, my teammate was a fucking Lawbringer of all things. He just kept his distance unlocked and tried hitting me with lights so I couldn't properly defend.
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Fuck people who have shitty restricted nat. I can't even send you hatemail because your internet is so bad.
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>>173169786
ad mortem is going to be a guarantee on heavy parry
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>>173169246
Think of what, anon?
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>>173093018
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>>173170569
No it isn't, the charge poke is.
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>>173170569
only impale will be, not ad mortem
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>>173131095
>Thing is: honorfags won't gank people or help their teammates, but they'll turn tail and run or use healing feats when they start to lose, and complain when someone beats them.
This is every honorfag I've met, it's fucking frustrating as shit even playing against them.
>Playing against a Valk as a Lawbringer
>Pushing her shit in
>She's one hit from dead
>Turns tail and runs
>Follow her to the health buff, but she's faster and gets it and runs away
>Later in the match find her going for the health again and I impale her off the map
Immediately: WOW NO FUCKING HONOR SCRUB
I'm not going to fight you fairly if you've made it clear the second you're losing you'll outrun me to stack buffs
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>>173170736
>>173170762
WHATS THE FUCKING POINT THEN!?!
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>>173170980

You can charge them into a wall and get a guaranteed top heavy.
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>>173171063
ITS NOT THE SAME
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>>173170980
dumb frogposter
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REMOVE

LEDGES

JESUS CHRIST IT'S ALL SHITTERS USE
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>>173171338
Dumb frogposter needing his parry to win class even more.
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>>173162358
>Guys I played against a fucking brain dead PK who only ever threw two top lights, she's totally easy to handle
>Please ignore how fast her zone is, or that she can purposefully whiff the first light to hit you with the even faster second light
PK apologists are pure fucking retards
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>>173171479
t.shitter that got thrown off
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>>173170980
F U N
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>>173171562
pk spotted
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>>173171575
>learned how to read when PK is going to do his zone
>can parry it semi-reliable
>mfw its going to be a light after a fix
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Can experienced raider bros please answer a question. Is it possible for a raider to always tech a gb while they are dodging? Assume as they can dodge gb in any direction then they should also be able to tech it but does it work if your in the middle of dodge animation when you get gb'd?
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>>173171649
REMOVE LEDGES NIGGER
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>>173170571

My ninja guess. I think it might be at least partially right.
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>>173171690
If you're incapable of parrying lights you shouldn't be Lawbringer in the first place.
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>>173172361
>he got thrown off
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>Kensei top light damages me before the blade contacts me
>Kensei GB hits me before the Kensei's pommel hits me
>never happens with other classes
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>>173172543
YOU LEDGE PEOPLE NIGGER

FUCKING NIGGER
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Help, i'm so desperate and bored for balance changes that i'm tempted to go back to destiny for old times sake to get the Exotic Fatebringer.
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>>173172840
just don't get parried and learn to cgb
If you attack first without it being guaranteed you're retarded
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>>173172840

ledge them first you stupid cunt
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>>173172840
>he is autistically screeching from the bottom of the pit while i celebrate my victory
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Alright you cunts, I am SICK AND TIRED of you fucking naysayers shitting on PK mains, saying our character takes no skill. You know why PK mains always argue with you? BECAUSE WE'RE THE ONES WHO HAVE PLAYED HER ENOUGH TO REALIZE HOW DIFFICULT SHE ACTUALLY IS.

If you think PK is easy, go win a duel with her. Right now, I can wait. Oh, a Warden? Better just plant your guard lower left for that zone, then. Oh fucking WAIT, you have Reactive Block now! That attack that's free damage on you normally? Gonna have to learn to block that.

Okay, your enemy is a Lawbringer or Raider. You know they're just gonna sit there and parry everything. What do you do? Fucking NOTHING, that's what: he'll parry all your 500ms attacks because somehow being a low tier character justifies also being a turtling cuck. Best start whiffing that first light and trying to poke around his guard. But guess what? It takes like 15 of those to kill him, and he only needs to parry 3 OF THOSE TO KILL YOU. Easy, right?

Oh, a Warlord or Conqueror now? Great, full block actually makes him invincible. Have fun trying to get damage off on them when their entire movesets are based on LMAO BLOCK FRAMES. Sure, these defensive pieces of shit weren't 'Babbys First' enough, so now almost everything they can do will trade in their favor. But no, YOU'RE playing the easymode class, right?

You ever look at the difficulty rankings on each character? EVER NOTICE THAT PK IS LISTED AS 'HARD'? Wonder why that is? Because her moveset is garbage. She's a worse Orochi: at least when Orochi lands hits he shits out damage. PK is low damage fast attacks, and thats all she has going for her. You slow her down to make fighting her easier for the shitters? Congratulations, you just removed a high skill character from the viable pool. Hope you enjoy your tourneys with Shugokis running in circles for the entire duel, because that's what you're contributing to.
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>>173172538
>If you're incapable of parrying lights
>when they're spamming lights randomly and zones
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>>173173415
Nice pasta, friendo. Mind if I save this? :)
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>>173173504
You are playing lawbringer, either you learn to parry 15 frame lights or you switch classes.
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>>173173415
Quid fecit tibi stupri irrumabo dicunt animae meae parum canis? Iam faxo scias lectus caput meum genus in classe signaculis et iam plura arcana involvit Weebaboos populationes et confirmavit super CCC necat. Crocodilus militiae exercitatum et ego sum in toto vertice Legio militum pellentesque. Tu mihi nihil aliud signum. Delebo te irrumabo cum praecisione similia quæ numquam visa sunt super terram, verbis meis attende in stupri. Putas me posse in stercore quod egredietur de Internet? Cogita iterum irrumator. Sicut contingentes arcanum meum locutus sum: exploratores estis trans Legio et IP network of ordo est, ita nunc te, melius parandam hiems, vermibus. Deleo misellus exiguus vocas tempestate tua. Vestibulum stupri mortuum malit haedo. Possum quoquam quisquam, et interficiat vos septingenti super vias, et ultricies nuda manu. Non sum admodum exercitatum inermes pugna, et Civitatibus Foederatis Americae accessum ad totum Marine arma sua amplitudine, et illam miseram extergere asinum facie continenti parum stercore. Utinam potuisset scire nefas retributionem vestram "callidus" comment erat detraham te forsitan lingua habuissent vestri stupri. Tu non fecisti, nunc tibi solvit pretium, malique ineptus es. Ego cacas in ira super vos et ero vobis in obruent illam. Vestibulum stupri mortuus est.
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>>173173060
>>173173178
>>173173230
LEDGING IS FOR NIGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGERS
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>tfw have a semi-breakdown ingame because of how frustrated you become with the game and its flaws and you take it out on the other player but he turns out to be a cool dude despite a bit of back and forth arguing/inciting for a few rounds
>resolve to just take a fucking break from the game and alt f4 after saying goodbye

anyone else know this feel
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>>173173887
>his bones a shattered from the fall
>he is bleeding internally from the fall
>he has a concussion from the fall
>yet still he manages to open one eye
>he sees me looking upon him with a grin, from the skies above, like a god mocking him
>he mutters n-nig-gers as he passes away in anger and regret
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How would you rework Conqueror to be fun and effective, but not an absolute pain in the ass to fight against?

I literally can't think of anything. I feel that he needs to hit harder, but that of course won't solve anything.

What are his current problems? Maybe we can narrow it down.
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>>173174410
His current problem is that he's effective and an absolute pain in the ass to fight against.
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>>173173887

You're a fucking nigger!

>ledge someone
>he gets mad and attacks me next round with his m8
>ledge him in the exact same place

pottery

webm for ants related
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>>173174410
Broadly speaking, there needs to be less focus on his shield bash and more focus on his charged heavy attacks and infinite lights.

You know, the things that make Conqueror unique and not just another bash spam character like Law or Warden
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>>173174410
His current problems:

His shit is too slow, and easy to parry.

He has few offensive options.

His superior block counter attack is nearly useless.

He is a one trick pony.

Defensive play is far too effective in the game and he exacerbates this, as he is built around defense. He needs more offensive options, but not this bash shit. The bashes are brainless and the light -> bash is nearly impossible to punish.

His allblock is also very bad. Sucks up stamina, stops stamina regen, and hardly anybody falls for his feints. He badly needs a rework, not nerfs
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So what is the new patch going to fix? I need to know if it's safe to come back yet.
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>>173173415
Pasta or not, I can never get into full guard in time to block a PK's hit. It seems to take a second or so to enter it.
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>>173173415
Have this reply, (you) earned it.
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>>173175214
>Revenge gain from injury was providing excess revenge during blocks; this is fixed
>Revenge gain from defense now only grants revenge from raw blocks and parries
>Revenge stats nerfed across the board by ~50%
>Debuff resistance stat fixed
>Hidden Stance and fullblock stances will be easier to trigger
>Assassins will now properly fall down if thrown with 0 stam instead of staying up if they had an active guard (bugfix)
>Elimination: buffs now spawn after a 20s delay
>Peacekeeper: zone attack now counts as a light, is more telegraphed; sidestep attacks weaker and more punishable on block; deflect stab buffed to be more attractive
>Warlord: Headbutt costs more stamina, is easier to dodge, is more punishable on whiff, fullblock -> headbutt only triggers off an actual block
>Lawbringer: Chains are faster and more damaging across the board, side heavy confirmed off Long Arm, parry follow-ups do more stuff and hit harder (light riposte stuns, impale is guaranteed, zone attack actually lands, hits harder, and has hyperarmor)
>Buffs confirmed for Kensei and Berserker
>Slight nerf for Conqueror(unspecified)
>Raider and Orochi untouched for now
>Other characters likely to be touched

This is strictly off what we got from last week's devstream. Tomorrow's devstream should potentially fill in more gaps.
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>>173175134
He's also the only character in the game who can't guarantee a kill off a parry against an enemy at 1 pip of health, without unlock tech that may end up getting patched in the future if Reddit continues to bitch about unlocking.

Either way, he also can't secure an execution, a trait shared with PK, unless there's a wall.
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>>173175813
So how about that ragequit penalty
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Did they buff raider or something? I haven't played in 3 weeks and I tried playing conq vs one and he sucked my dick
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>>173176090
One of their "we're working on it" answers. They want to ensure game stability more before they start doling out ragequit penalties (although they can already tell if someone quits, accidentally disconnects or crashes).
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>>173176090
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>>173175813
Revenge build will still be the way to go im pretty sure

All the other stats are near useless
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>>173176732
This is only the first step in overall stat rebalancing. Fixing revenge is just the single most egregious issue and must be dealt with first. Once that's fixed, they can better appreciate how the other stats are doing and what needs to be changed.
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>>173176090
Hopefully never. I'm already angry 70% of the time playing this piece of shit game. If I can't quit out of Warlord camp ledges and Rep 30 Peacekeepers spaming r1 then I'm done with this game.
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>>173177003
Oh and before I forget I always quit out of 5fps games. And I hope the game crashes when I leave.
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>>173176090
>bullying a kensei

rude
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In what would does someone say I will make this area of affect attack faster than all other attacks
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>>173177507
You just have to keep your guard in that direction pretty much.

It fucking sucks for assassin characters though. Wardens gay area attack wrecks my shit a lot.
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>>173177631
>It fucking sucks for assassin characters though
>Bitches about Warden's Zone
>Doesn't mention that every Assassin has a zone that is just as fast, or faster in PKs case

[LAUGHS IN VANGUARD]
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>>173177939
>Meanwhile Kensei's zone attack
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>>173178408
Unlock and turn.
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>>173177939

Fucking orochi zone
reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

Ive blocked it once
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>>173178408

unlocking during combos and zone attack is a huge part of kensei's gameplan
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>>173178525
I have purposely parried 2 PK zones in my life. One of them got teched.

Ask me anything.
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>>173177939
the sword not aligning with the grip makes my autism levels rise.
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>>173175134
full block is overpowerded on him
not only is shiledbash unpunishable
but the fullblock prevents any guaranteed damage coming trough and cancels staggers
conq is on pk level of op

also unlock heavy does 30dmg
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>>173178913
adding to this and the posts above

conq can not be nerfed or buffed in anyway to not break his gameplay

he is too simple with too few options for offence
and way too many "get out of jail for free" cards in his kit

ffs he does not even need to parry ever
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>>173174803
I would like that
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Why exactly is Warlord so OP?
Because of the HP and the throw distance?
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>>173175134

i agree with all this and i'd add to that dash bash -> light is easy to dodge and punish for a number of characters

that and zone attack cancel are his only 2 offensive options in neutral and neither of them are very good

conq in my opinion has fair match ups vs roach and zerk, and maybe warden, and gets ass fucked by PK and shugo. the rest of the cast he beats soundly though

he isnt OP, hes just very annoying to fight
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Conqueror cannot feint.

What if, in exchange, Conqueror cannot be parried?
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>>173179527

oh and he has a fair match vs warlord too

fair meaning no better or worse than 6-4 in either direction
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nice queue times

MERGE THE PLAYLISTS UBISOFT

just make the game free because you've designed it to be f2p-ready but you saw the beta numbers and preorders and hit the other switch. time now to open the doomsday f2p folder and put all the good e-doll shit in the game so maybe your paying customers can get a fucking match

it doesn't help that this game is not fun
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>>173179568
Then he needs to be punished on block, or else his issue of having an nonpunishable offense gets even worse.

And if he's punished on block, thats entirely worse than getting parried.
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>>173179670

so why play it
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>>173179491
The throw is so stupid looking. I wouldn't be as annoyed if it was the Ninja or something appropriate, dragging a character away.
But instead we have Warlord, who just runs up to you, and compels you to run in whatever direction he wants? It looks horribly awkward if he goes in any direction that isn't directly forward for him.
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>>173179724
there is no reason at all

i mean, i tried to play it. i think you're assuming i play it, like i have nothing better to do than eat these queues for a dead game. like i try to play this every day or something. if my free time meant so little i'd kill myself.
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>>173179712
Obviously nerf shield bash to compensate. I thought that goes without saying.
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>>173179527
>dash bash -> light is easy to dodge and punish for a number of characters
it's not
not even valk can punish it
only pk if reacted perfectly with her zone

conq's only fair matchup is warlord and pk
blocked shugos lights give him a free gb, tho he has no answer to his charge

he is in favor 80-20 matchup to all other characters
warlord can stamina trade, pk can outspam him, valk can do damage to him due to her damage coming from kd/gb, warden can not damage him ever, any other char is out of a question

>he isnt OP, hes just very annoying to fight
he cannot take damage while he deals damage
that's pretty op
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>>173178913
full block doesn't confirm into anything though

how does fullblock cancel staggers?

also unlocking is a bug, not a real part of his kit
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>>173180001
My point was that unparriable attacks is worse than bash shit. If a Conq started his light chain, you would be forced to either block until he's out of stamina, or back off. That's not fun.

And how does Crushing Counter work into this? Is that a parry?
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>Warden mirrors
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>>173180106
>also unlocking is a bug, not a real part of his kit
that's where yo uare wrong kiddo

>how does fullblock cancel staggers?
becasue it just does, it blocks damage from shoulder/headbutt/kick/other conq bash

>full block doesn't confirm into anything though
>fullblock a light
>side dash
>bash

>>173179568
but he can
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>>173180148
>And how does Crushing Counter work into this? Is that a parry?

Are you illiterate or just lazy? It says what it is in the fucking in-game movelist.
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>>173180091
If you ever fought a good (read: unashamedly cheap) shugo as conq you'd know that match up is an absolute disaster for conq

Any character with a decent side step can avoid dash bashes with sensible spacing easily

I've been playing conq as literally my only character since the beta. He has plenty weaknesses, far more than he has strengths. Not to mention that bash light is really hard to kill with unless you're playing Vs absolute yards. He has no kill set ups and his one damage dealer, which doesn't even start offense, is a single light attack
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>>173180302
Hence the "what if"
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>>173180459
Yeah, it's a super block. I fucking know.

It feels unintuitive for your retarded buff to be immune to parries, but not immune to the thing that is pretty much exactly a fucking parry. That's what I was asking about you goon.
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>playing Elim for orders
>every game has at least two Conqs

Is there a more retard-proof character in the entire game? They never do anything, they're always passive cunts
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>>173180516
if you are bad at him, that's not my problem
shugo fucks you over, yes
but every char apart from warlord and pk is a guaranteed win
he has literally one waekness - no ability to finish off opponents
and it is removed by unlocking
he is safe in anything he does
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>>173179942

You should prob kill yourself then since you are posting here for a game you dont like or have time to play
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>>173180459
What's the timing on Conqueror's crush counter heavy, anyways? I can't figure it out because I come out with a parry every time.
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>>173180660
A block is a block, a parry is a parry.

It's not like Crushing Counterstrike is unique, Warlord and Valkyrie have the same gimmick in all stances.
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>>173180816
is that the current state of this general?

niche gamers, maaaaan we are playing a niche game, maaaan

it isn't set up for that. you should be more understanding and friendlier. you should be licking my boots because i said i at least tried to find a game. honestly i won't even lie i feel like you should throw yourself at my feet and beg me to requeue or something
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>>173180801
from the man, the legend, himself
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>go to play for honor
>cant stay in a game long enough to complete it because rural internet and the storm outside
What else do I do with my life?
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>>173093018
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>>173181207
p-play offline games?
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>>173180801
His inability to finish isn't removed by unlocking. With the full extent of regeneration hp you can survive an unlocked heavy, and you can only hit those guaranteed off wall splat and knockdown, which is an area where conq is absolutely trash otherwise. He has a situational double heavy off exhausted knockdown against a wall and that's his best thing in those scenarios. Compared to other classes like zerk, pk, valk and shugo who have amazing okizemi/wallsplat game
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>>173181207
get to your tornado shelter
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Finally have a story to tell!
>playing warlord
>get into game with a rep two warden and a rep two valk
>i got the game 2 days ago
>I am level 5
>Proceed to get ganked every fight
>proceed to abuse revenge and spacers
>spam sorry after every win
feelsgoodman
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>>173181207
listen to music and think about your life
journal
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Was it reddit or just souls fags in general that started the "environmental is dishonorabru" meme?
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>>173181342
>His inability to finish isn't removed by unlocking. With the full extent of regeneration hp you can survive an unlocked heavy
but that's just wrong
unlock heavy does 30 dmg
max hp you regenerate is 25

>dash
>bash
>dash
>gb

there i just told you a secret mixup
also, why would you ever use heavy bash?
not to mention other shit he has|

>his light get's parried
heavy is not guaranteed
>his heavy gets parried
gb is not guaranteed
>he has block on dashes
>he can feint faster with fullblock than any other char
>he has unlock bash that does near 2 bars of dmg
>bash is not punishable, ever

keep dreaming kid, and git gud, because you are playing one of the most op classes in the game
>>173181173
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>>173181662

well its a bit gay in 2v2's and 1v1's, I dont purposely move then to the edge unless they are

>playing pk
>using some retarded cheese strat
>ganked me or tried to throw me off

but if I fight some nigger and push him back to the ledge and he falls off cause of my attacking that's his fault, in 4v4's and shit its par for the course
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>>173182051
I only ledge people if they get themselves GB'd with their back literally against an edge. I go out of my way to try not to fight near ledges, but if things end up there and you get yourself parried with your back foot on the precipice? You're going over because that's a stupid fucking thing to do and you need to learn not to do it.
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>>173181662
>reddit
>souls fags

There's a difference?
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>>173181114

Please requeue anon
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>>173179568
>making the safest character in the game even more safe
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>>173179491
Warlord has the second highest HP in the game (first being Shugouki, third being Lawbringer).
Warlord has decent lights, awkward parry timing, and an AoE with ridiculous range and speed.
Warlord has a headbutt that will track you to the ends of the Earth and gives him a free hit and setup.
Warlord can ledge you from practically anywhere within 25m, or at the very least wallbounce for a stun and free heavy.
Warlord can full block to avoid damage from certain "guaranteed" hits. Like Warden's shoulder bash or Conqueror's shield bash.
Also doesn't hurt to have the best revenge mode in the game.
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>>173184060
Don't forget that Warlord's zone attack is one of like three that kills you from 1 full pip of health, while also being one of the four fast zone attacks (PK, Orochi and Warden deal less than 25)
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>dualing, have a close match while playing
>"mains?"
>sure, its my valk vs their zerk
>5 games of 3-2 or 2-3
>"ggs, added"

I wish more of the community wasn't emote spamming children. Some guy was teabagging bots in my last match.
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>>173184609
I had a lot of fights like that recently.
The souls kids are living apparently.
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>>173184609
>getting mad at emote spamming
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>>173150913
Black Iron is cool for all those Dark Knight/Targaryen/Chaos aesthetics.
I saw a rep 28 Lawman a while back that was full on Chaos Chosen. Tzeentch emblem, Chaos undivided on one shoulder, skull engraving on the other.
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>>173184609
Emote spamming is one of the best parts of this shit game, fuck you
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>>173185430
>Rah! Rah! Rah!
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>>173185430
How do you emote span, anyway?
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>>173185430

>that sublte jerking off when spamming the wardens emote
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>>173185538
you spam the emote button while pushing forward on the analog stick
the best ones are conqs and laws
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Did they "fix" soft feinting as Kensei? Used to be able to essentially fake a GB into a side heavy, have been unable to do it today
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>>173185860
The GB feint is still a thing, it's just super timing dependent. It's not a class feature or anything, it's a bug.
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>>173185713
Roach has a good one, too.
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>>173185713
>>173186050
Raider also has the pelvic thrusting.
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>>173185945
tech*
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Just personally witnessed raider's spin2win, it was glorious
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what does raider do off long range heavy parries and light parries?
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>>173186362
zone
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>>173186362
>light parries
Side heavy
>heavy parries
Nothing.
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>>173186292
Bug works. Techs are almost always bugs.

The part where the argument starts is whether or not to call it a tech or an exploit.
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>>173186472
Doesn't he get an upper off of light parries?
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>just 3-1'd a rep 15 conq with my rep 15 law
>he ragequit just as he was about to get impaled

feelsgood.jpg
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>>173187370
>3/2 a high level Conq as Warden
>He leaves after I toss his exhausted ass on the floor and am winding up the killshot
>Get him again
>He goes Warden
>I go Berzerker
>3/0 him
>Warden Mirror on the rematch
>3/0 him

Conq players are good at the game.
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>>173109067
depends on how far it pulls you, could probably just pull you out of a gank as easily as into one. Would help to shut down people from running away, and if the punish for getting countered on the grab was suitable then all good.
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>>173170604
>someone else with a surfing lion emblem
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What happened to iSkys?
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>>173188593
i hope he idies
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>>173184060
>Warlord can full block to avoid damage from certain "guaranteed" hits. Like Warden's shoulder bash or Conqueror's shield bash.
this is false
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>>173168125
wouldn't have it any other way.
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>>173188678
Why?
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>>173188593
that the guy who everyone bitches about due to him bitching about everything?
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>>173189394
I don't know. He was a warden player/streamer and now I never see him in game
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>>173184060
He also has the best feats in the game.
>tier 1 passive that boosts his damage
>tier 2 passive that reduces damage he takes
>tier 3 passive that gives him more fucking health or an active feat that increases his damage and reduces the damage he takes
>tier 4 passive that automatically revives him with full health
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lol remember this game
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>>173094014
>metalkid
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>>173189991
you may want to look at that post again
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>>173186050
Roach's emote spam is annoying, unlike Conqs rah, Laws dab and raiders air thrust
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>>173190947
>Roach emote spam with Sunbeam effect

MY EARS
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>>173191659
SHINGSHINGSHINGSHINGSHING
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>ps4
>35k steel saved up
>combined rep of 17
>haven't bought anything besides upgrading one characters gear to 108
>level 17 pk
>bought mythic set for pk because ther is literally no point in playing any other character on console

i regret nothing
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>>173192227
>ther is literally no point in playing any other character on console

Have you considered fun?
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>>173192547
i have way to much autism for that
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>>173192674
I can tell.
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>>173176090
>>173177003
They said they're working on a penalty for quitting, but I really wish they would focus on every aspect of why someone might quit before implementing it
>My entire team besides me is below rep 1 grey gear and the enemy team is all rep 10 gold gear
I'm basically destined to lose when this shit happens. But mostly it's elimination that I quit in if my team is retarded
>Teammates in elimination who refuse to revive, and would rather go and gank/stack buffs instead of picking you up. In turn the instant they die they spend the rest of the round spamming for a revive even if you're in the middle of a fight
>Honorfags who emote while you get executed and just refuse to help you even though we're playing a fucking team game because "I have honor lmao"
Mostly it's honorfags making me quit team based modes. I'm not going to fucking stay with someone who's so fucking autistic they feel the need to play by special rules even when they can obviously see it's making us lose
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>>173192227
I was just like you except on xbone. I stopped playing PK because it just got boring. Entire fights consisted of nothing but spamming lights, GBs, and zone. That and more and more people were refusing to actually fight my PK and just camped a ledge, and I don't even blame them she's an overpowered cunt.
I'm having more fun now that I've switched things up, got Warlord to rep 3, Shug to rep 2, Conq to rep 3, and Law to rep 2
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So what was our free new content last week? Did we not get anything because they took so long to add the elite outfits?
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>>173193831
Ornaments and outfits are the new content.
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>>173193872
So they shafted us and made the elite outfits two weeks worth of content. Neat.
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>>173193872

I want this thing this week
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>>173193138
>first match on high fort since it was added back
>game starts synchronizing during open cutscene
>never stops
>have to ALt-F4 out
>queue up for another round
>same shit

They better not add any quitting penalty
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>>173192227
Was a PKfag, switched to Valk and haven't looked back, PK has the depth of a puddle.
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>>173194250
I want a Warden ornament that doesn't suck dick

I would kill for those antlers.
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>want the mythic for the orochi
>also want the swag moth hat from the elite
>also want the burd helm for the raider
HELP
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>>173194250

Holy shit that looks sick

Kensei gets the hypest shit
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>>173194252
Not to mention the matchmaking is so fucking trash it regularly starts off 4v4 games with one team missing 1-2 players. You're almost guaranteed to lose with bots because they're so fucking easy to ledge.
I leave elimination games if it tries starting me with bots on my team
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> Join duel on console
> It's a Warden/Warlord/PK
> Leave duel
> Ubishit wants to punish me for this
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>>173194695
t. Shugoki main
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>>173194614
Level 2+ bots will tech your GBs pretty consistently

>>173194795
Lawbringer actually
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>>173194695
>Join duel
>It's someone who literally does nothing but turtle and wait for parries
>Bonus points if it's Warlord headbutting you if you try to wait him out
Seriously, they need to fix a lot of things before implementing punishments for leaving.
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>>173194695
>He has trouble with Wadens
Maybe it's because I played him to Rep 6 but I really don't have any issues with fighting him. Long since started playing Raider and Berserker, and Warden is the least of my problems.
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>>173194831
Yes but all it takes is one parry and you get a free GB on the bot. Also bots cannot dodge charges, so if you play Warlord, Lawbringer, Shugoki you can immediately charge a bot off a ledge when the round starts if you lead them to it.
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>need skirmish takedowns and games played
>the 2nd longest and rage prone gametype
>half the games end in host ragequit
Kill me
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>>173194938
Warden is broken as shit with his shoulder
>Even if you guess correctly it just sets you back to neutral
>Interrupt him once with a light and he'll now start canceling the shoulder to counter your counter
There's no justifying Warden having such an OP kit when no one else has one like it to open people up
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Jesus i get such a ride range of messages after a game because of my Rep level.

One minute ill get

>teach me
>be sensei

then the next
>wow Rep 26????
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>>173193992
Look to Siege for what you can expect when it comes to updates and content.
Mid-season is usually a big cosmetics drop and minor balance changes. There are cosmetics peppered in every couple weeks.
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>>173195091
Literally just light him or roll away
And if he starts playing the cancel game, it's up to you to predict when he's going to cancel the charge. It's the same deal as not falling for a feint.

He is honestly not that bad. I would take a Warden fight any day over a PK or Conq.
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>>173194392
>only warden warden ornament I like is ridged
>doesn't change material alongside the helmet
>makes black iron look like shit

I love the look of matte black metal but it is way too much work to get it to look good on warden
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>>173195320
Are you seriously saying that reducing the fight down to a literal guessing game of when he will and won't cancel to counter me is a good mechanic?
>roll away
Sounds great, I lose half my stamina and he's free to just start the whole cycle over again.

He is bad, give a single reason why Warden should have such a insane kit to open people up that's incredibly adaptable. You can't even skillfully react to it because it devolves into a literal guessing game, and Wardens know this and purposefully act as randomly as possible so you won't be able to accurately predict them.


I would much rather fight a Conq because even though they are OP as well I can at least actually react to them instead of playing some guessing game bullshit that Warden mains will claim is fair
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>>173195514
Get the Dragon Ornament and don't shut up about reclaiming your rightful throne in-game.
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>>173195671
>abloobloo the game should be a reactive turtlefest where no one is allowed to attack

Ask for buffs to your hero, not nerfs to enemy heroes.
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>>173195514
when do you start getting the matte black stuff? i think im bout to start maining warden after i get raider to rep 10
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>>173196210
Rep 8 level 20.
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>>173196245
any warden tips? Ive only really played Raider, Zerker, & Valk
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>>173196143
>Give one reason why Warden should have such an incredible kit that reduces fights down to a literal guessing game instead of actually reacting
>WOW STOP CRYING, WARDEN ISN'T OVERPOWERED JUST BUFF EVERYONE ELSE TO HIS LEVEL
This is exactly why people think Warden mains are scum. You're literally claiming he's not overpowered, and then saying the solution is to buff everyone else to his level. If you need to buff everyone to match Warden guess what? He's overpowered
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>>173196325
Not really. Don't rely on zone because it's unsafe on block, learn to crushing counter, learn to use your shoulder.
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>>173194256
that free gb on blocked dash attacks is so fucking stupid it stops me from playing valk
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>>173196521
Wasn't that removed? Some Valk main on here told me it was, but I don't actually know.
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>>173196325
Only thing about him that's really unique is the shoulder bash so you just need to learn how to use that. Everything else is just the same fundamentals you apply to every other character. It might take you some time to get used to parrying top attacks with a light though, it took until almost rep 2 for me to overcome that muscle memory.
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>>173196392
>If you need to buff everyone to match Warden guess what? He's overpowered
Nope, it means the others are underpowered.

And it's not "everyone", Warden is only the 5th strongest class right now.
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>>173196392
>If you need to buff everyone to match Warden guess what? He's overpowered

Yes, but nerfing him down to the rest of the normies will make the game stagnate and worsen the turtle meta, as Warden is one of the few heroes that can actually go on the offensive and not get booty-blasted for trying. Every hero should have the kind of tools Warden has.

And I'm saying this as a Kensei main.
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>>173196521
Why are you using raw dash attacks? They're meant to punish whiffs while the enemy is still in recovery.
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>>173197162
because without dash attacks her mixups are just light attack spams making pk better?
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>>173197386
So play PK then. She has better dash attacks by sheer virtue of being heavies anyway, Valk dash attacks are a free top heavy on parry..
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>>173193138
I will be a "honorfag" if I think the person can handle it and I wouldn't just be feeding revenge. If they are getting their shit pushed in or about to die then I'll jump in.
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>>173197059
>Every hero should have the kind of tools Warden has.
But they don't, and realistically they will not for months if they are planning on giving everyone tools to open people up. There's no reason to have one hero blatantly better at opening up people than the others.
>>173197051
Warden is overpowered in his own way because you can't even react to his shoulder/cancel. It devolves what's meant to be a skill based game into a guessing game, and it's impossible to accurate guess 100% of the time when someone is purposefully trying to be as random as possible with it.

The turtle defense meta is gay don't get me wrong, but having one character who excels at opening up people, and you can't even properly react to his actions, only guess, is even gayer.
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>>173197059
Pure guessing games hurts the game more than making everyone homogeneous (which they already are anyway)
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>go 6-0 in a brawl
>save with shadowplay
>the recording has no audio
>check a recording I saved a few matches back
>it has audio
I really love that I got this amazing game and I can't make a quality video of it because there is no audio for no reason.
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>>173197835
That's something I don't mind. It's completely understandable to avoid feeding revenge. My complaint is with people who literally stand back and emote as you're being executed, and then act like it's not their fault our team lost.
>Playing elimination
>Finish off my guy, go to see if the team needs help
>Find a friendly Valk and an enemy Orochi, they're just emoting at each other nonstop
>Decide to start fighting him, because waiting for them to finish this emote shit is dumb
>Fight goes on for a while, but he has maxed out revenge injury gear and he pops it fucking me to death
>Valk just watches me get executed
>Valk then walks with the Orochi over to a health buff and let's him grab it, then emotes again until he's fully healed then they fight
I just don't understand honorfags. Seriously, what makes someone go into a team based game and just decide "fuck the team, I want to play by my own rules even if it makes us lose"?
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>>173197836
And how would you have a character who can open up people without them being able to just reactively counter it? Reading your opponent is an important factor in other fighting games.
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>>173198250
Except you aren't reading anything with the shoulder. It's a literal guessing game, because the person spamming shoulder is purposefully being as random as they possibly can.
It's not as simple as "oh look he has a pattern" because they know you're looking for a pattern, so they make it as random as they can so you cannot actively counter it, and even if you do somehow manage to guess correctly 100% of the time it just sets you back to neutral.
The solution to the turtle meta isn't one character having a kit that cannot be punished even if you guess correctly 100% of the time.
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>>173197836
It sounds like your agreeing it with them. Unless your saying they should nerf warden for now and only buff him back to normal once everyone else has been improved? Sound's pretty backwards to me, just go straight to improving the shitty classes instead of tearing the good ones down first. With how slow ubi is with doing anything we don't want to give them more steps than necessary.

>>173197904
Pure guessing games does suck but I'll take it staring contest where acting at all means death. At least stuff happens in a guessing game. No idea how your supposed to fix this game without either of those though,
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>>173198132
you can still make dope webms and post them on a Phillipino Cave Painting Board.
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>>173198551
>At least stuff happens in a guessing game.

Yeah you guess wrong and die because there's no real counter because this game is made but retards who thought dark souls was a fighting game while having a fundamental misunderstanding of what actually makes DS or fighting games work.
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>>173197531
>>173192227
i do play pk
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YOUR THREAD IS BREAKING
>>173198912
>>173198912
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>>173198551
Knowing ubisoft small changes take months. Giving every single character a kit like Warden has could literally take half a year or more. So yes, I'm saying Warden should not remain broken for that long if they're going to give others kits, which we don't even know if they will.

The only thing that happens in the guessing game always favors the warden though.
>Guess wrong, take damage
>Guess right, you're back to neutral and he starts the guessing game again until you do guess wrong
Guessing game bullshit is even worse than the turtle meta. I'd rather die in a fight then die because I guessed wrong while warden spams his low stamina cost move over and over
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>>173198551
I mean look a lot of actual fighting with weapons IRL is staring. You want to minimize risk to yourself so you either try to psych out your opponent, try to get them to commit to a certain option that leaves them open or try to look for your own opening. IMO the number one thing to do is to make defense harder to do, just as, if not as hard as attacking. Something like have blocking be it's own button input or something maybe? Idk, I'm not a game designer and that's probably a shit solution, but imo the problem in this game isn't offense, it's defense. Specifically defense being way too simple and easy to do while also being incredibly passive, which anyone who's ever used a weapon can tell you makes ABSOLUTELY NO SENSE.
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>>173199358
>die in a fight
The problem with the defensive meta is there never actually is a fight. If a kensei goes up against a conq there literally nothing each of them can do to hurt each other if they both have good enough reactions. Ya if two competent wardens fight the outcome is going to based entirely on luck but at least there is an outcome.

As far as it taking half a year for the lower tier characters to make it warden's level, it's the choice between the game turning into a snoozefest because the only offensive characters got nerfed or only being able to play the 5 or so decent classes for that half year.
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>>173200464
>conq
>a class with a safe charge
>can't do anything against defense
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>>173200558
There's no mix up in his shield bash, you can dodge it every time
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>>173200790
But he can block immediately when you dodge
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>>173200790
But you can't actually punish it so he can just bash again.
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>>173200879
exactly, kensei can dodge his bash every time and never hurt the conq, conq can throw out endless bashes and never hurt the kensei. Bash is conq's only opener and kensei doesn't have one to begin with. At a high enough skill level neither can hurt each other
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>>173201067
No player can actually be that perfect you know. In a fight between two top tier pro players one as kensei the other as conq, conq is going to win 9 times out of 10.
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>>173201303
Well that was really just an example of how the current model of the game means both players are theoretically invincible if all options for attacking are reactable. Kensei is much worse than conq but it was just the first two classes without mix ups that I thought off.

I just personally hate the defensive meta as I've run into plenty of players who were perfectly capable of parrying 90% of my lights and blocking the rest. Since they never attack first you don't have the option of doing the same to them without the shitty guessing games. If your character doesn't have one they're unbeatable. I hate guessing games too but I don't want them removed from the game unless something better replaces them.
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>>173201943
All options for attacking in every fighting game are reactable. Even footsies can be reacted to.
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