/twg/ - Total War General

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First for history is still fun

So why is rome 2 more played than attila
Pls redpill me.
The family system of attila is superb.

>>172456294
Why is chaos so gimped in everyway when you play it vs when the computer attacks with archeon. Everything from getting weird -5% automatic corruption removal to getting your economy totally wrecked if you lose your army since you need to rebuild all the stupid structures.

>>172456418

cause romans and shit are way cooler than fucking gay ass mongol shooty cav spam

>>172456418
Rome just has a better setting and aesthetic than Attila for me.

>>172456418
better setting
more/better mods
optimized

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>tfw High Elves will never be released

>>172456418
Because Attila added a lot of unfun things on the map and in battle was strictly worse than R2

>>172456686
Just play as Wood Elves there cooler.

>>172456686
They're coming just in two days m8

>>172456414
Not the best choice of pic for that sentiment though.

>>172456686
your paint skills are unwarranted truly. we will gave helfs anyway

Wonder If I'm the only who just stopped watching battles close-up and personal in TW:W? I remember how I used to just sit and watch guys beating the shit out of each other in previous titles but in TW:W I just constantly busy giving orders and moving shit here and there and mostly spending time in birds-eye view.

>>172456418
>Pls redpill me.
can't believe this has become a meme now.

>>172456767

Attila is perfection of design, but has a shit map with huge threats present at the games start.

>>172456414
It is - I'd just rather go back to Medieval 2. Almost unarguably one of the most solid Total War games.

>>172457034
But the graphic is shit.

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Can somebody explain, why High elves don't use guns?
Its make no sense, i get it bretonnia have some shiti lazy excuse, but what about elves?
They smart enough to use it, especially since they such a smart master race empire

>>172456865

Depends if you pause scum or not

Once I went realis mode I rarely have seconds to watch gits

Which reminds me... I can probably lower my settings since I rarely see them close

>>172456418
I don't know I can never go back to R2 after Attila

>>172457034
Yea, while it was brilliant at the time, it's very painful to go back to after playing the modern titles.

>>172457221
Dwarves invented it.

>>172457034
Vanilla med 2 is shit tho

>>172457130
>>172457303
I admit that, while it's not graphically the best and sometimes is clunky, it still feels good enough, and the graphics aren't that bad - you still get a lot of good detail, and the gameplay as a whole is worth whatever sacrifice in mere looks. You can get a lot more out of a fun siege than one that simply looks good.

Post shitty things that you don't want to happen but probably will
>all elf factions will share the same animations and might share some dialogue/sounds

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>>172457130

I honestly think Medieval 2 Total War still looks pretty good, but I'm probably a nostalgia shit.

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>>172457221
they have fucking Dragons mate. do you think they care about some puny exploding powder invented by grumpy manlets?

>>172457516
>M2
>fun sieges

Anon, I...

>>172457130
>graphics of M2 and armies of tens of thousands
>graphics of attila and armies of ones of thousands

Choose wisely.

>>172456926
>perfect design
>shit map

and shit battle-play, faction design and the political system was bloated and was more of a pain in the ass than any reward it could give

>>172457638
mod? This guy looks neat

>>172457506
Yeah but nobody plays vanilla.

>>172456778
The trailer/announcement is. High Elves are still a few months away.

>>172457516
>You can get a lot more out of a fun siege than one that simply looks good.
which is why prefer Attila Sieges. Or the custom maps in warhammer that are supposed to replace the siege maps we currently have.

>>172457747

Huns ruin the game by being so powerful and free hordes out the ass. You can murder every single one of the lords, and then eight turns later seven more full hordes show up.

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>>172457543

>No new dialogue from the vanilla characters when they speak with the new world factions in the diplomacy screen

>No new faction specific battlefield dialogue from the vanilla factions

>No revamps for the vanilla characters

>Vanilla characters

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>>172457221
Adrian Smith's Akhenaten elves are best elves.

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>>172457221
Their big flaw is that they're a bunch of proud snobs. Even if gunpowder was actually useful to them - and it's doubtful that it is, because they are so skilled with bows and magic and have dragons, whereas gunpowder is still in the 'inaccurate matchlock' stage - they wouldn't adopt it, because they'd think their ways are the best ways. Sort of like dwarves, but the dwarves at least invent things themselves sometimes. The elves never learn any lessons from anyone else - they always assume that they're the teachers.

Bretonnia's excuse is that they think that gunpowder isn't chivalrous - but they still use cannons on their ships, and in older lore they actually made use of gunpowder in crude bombards and cannons.

>>172457989
They really need to tie the expansions together with stuff like that, otherwise the whole game will just feel disjointed. It's the little things that matter.

>>172457221
Elves often depicted as being really advanced but stagnant as fuck. Like they typically one of the most ancient and advanced civilisations compared to others, but they eventually lose their advantage to the more numerous and hungry races. Immortality and limp dicks usually is root of their problems

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>tfw when its a teaser for the trailer thats coming months later

>>172457907

>>Huns ruin the game by being so powerful
>Attila finally becomes the faction leader and launches his memestacks
>Kill him a couple of times
>10 turns later the invasion is over

I really dont know why people consider the Huns as hard, they always end up anticlimactic even when playing as WRE

>>172458217
>it's a teaser for a CGI trailer for a gameplay trailer

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>GW killed the setting instead of adding more lore to make parts without much lore interresting
>you will never see what the three eastern human kingdoms had as units , technology ,magical beasts , gods and interresting shits like the dragon emperor etc

>>172458350

They are more a nuisance where you end up auto-resolving night battling their stacks because otherwise you would play >50 battles to fight the huns off.

>>172458397
>it's a voice over CGI parchments showing teasers for a CGI trailer for a gameplay trailer for a quest battle that will be dumbed down

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>>172458217
>its grace amateur movie

>>172457221
Guns are dirty, dishonourable, and kind of primitive; they don't require as much training or mastery as bows and melee weapons (purely speaking about relative firearms here) and so they completely go against the elf psyche.

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I started a Chaos campaign, I fucked up so hard

On turn 7 or so I attacked those dwarves and then got ganged up by three full stacks of Varg and Skaven or something, right after I had beaten a full stack of dwarves

What a disaster, I'll start over I think
Haven't played since launch

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>tree hitler used to go ham and delete not-france
>now I consistently see the woodelves get bullied by fucking skarsnik

In my last beastmen campaign they were a threat until the dwarfs glanced at them and burnt down 3/4ths of their forest. What the fuck?

>>172458350
The designed End Game threats/mechanics

Shogun 2: fuck any diplomacy you ever did, doesn't apply to AI

Rome 2: civil wars to divide your empire (better not lose your food producing town on a dice roll)

Attila: as described

Warhammer: Chaos, then Chaos augmented with a Beastmen Horde

>>172458603
Last campaign I played they had taken over pretty much all of Bretonnia

>>172458217
holy shit, elven towers confirmed!

>>172458603
>notelf AI surviving in Athel Loren
HOW
I never seen that happening.

DAWN OF THE FINAL DAY
24 HOURS REMAIN

>>172458603
In my campaigns they always locked in a stalemate against Karak Norn. They declare war on each other and then just sit in their cities and do jack shit. I like to think that they just busy trash talking each other over mountains.

>>172457221
Elves can't handle anything more complicated than a cock.

>>172458471
That would mean GW in part relinquishing the ability to edit their own IP officially, which will never happen.

>>172458581
Don't be sad pupper

>>172458141
>>172458196
>>172458579
So elves have crappy lazy reason too, MUH HONOR

Fucking hell, when Japs got guns they start to mass produce them immediately, because they was super effective

I really hate this "hurr durr honor i'm not gonna use gun" shit

>>172458942
>Longbeard hired to trash talk Durthu on the lookout over the mountain
>TALK TAH ME WHEN YA CAN MAKE A TREE TALL ENOUGH TO REACH US YA TWIG-STRENGHTED FAGGOT
>[Tree Talk] IF I MADE A TREE TALL ENOUGH TO REACH YOU IT WOULDN'T EVEN HAVE ROOTS YOU HALFLING SHITS

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>>172457769
http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=717185376&searchtext=siscu

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yfw we get Amazons instead of reddit rats as the fourth game 2 race

>>172456406
VERMIN

>>172459128
Fortunately this isn't Japs, this is a completely different race than humans on a completely imaginary setting with a completely alien culture you dumb idiot piece of shit autist

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>turn 100 as the Empire
>Chaos is around Ostermark
>Orion finishes unifying Athel Loren
>tell to myself it's probably the AI preparing to help the other "good guys"
>Orion declares war on me and Bretonnia

That fucking forest will burn

>>172459128

Japs were also the most war hungry violent people of East Asia. As soon as they got guns, they worked to unify each other and then proceeded to unify all the shitskin peoples nearby that didn't have guns or a modern army.

>>172459253
>>172458942
We desperately need drawfags here

>>172459362
tfw we get Amazons and Vampire pirates instead of lizardsshits and rats

>>172458947
sadly yes , there was potential for so much more , it just piss me off

>>172459362
>amazons

Tell me more; would this be a race of bikini clad snu-snu artisans?

>>172459383
>Its fantasy, so people use less effective way to fight instead of more effective

Make sense to me

>>172459632
Bikini clad raging psycho lesbians more like

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I WANT TO GO BACK TO PLAYING ROME 1

BUT THE GAME KEEPS CRASHING

>>172459739
just accept fantasy and play warhammer.
And be a good goy and buy all dlc´s

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>>172459632

>>172456418
Attila is set in a depressing time period

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>>172459739
>BUT THE GAME KEEPS CRASHING
much like Rome 2

>>172459679
What a pathetic little turd you are

Answering you without insults is not worth anyone's time

There is plenty of examples of historical people not using the most effective tactics available, difference is they didn't have the strength to make up for it

Elves don't use gunpowder because they don't need it you idiotic waste of oxygen. Between their High Magic, mastery over creatures and immense skills, the money dedicated to the gunpowder industry required to mass produce cannons and matchlocks would be a waste.

What part of this are you too much of a stupid troglodite-tier retard to understand? I can explain again real slow if you like

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>>172459128
What a stupid post.

>>172459910
Why you so mad

>>172457221
>>172459128

It's a special kind of autist who tries to rationalize things in a setting that includes vampires riding zombie dragons.

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>>172459682
>>172459812
Interdasting.

>>172459632
See: http://warhammerfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Amazons

tl;dr another race created by the Old Ones, but this time an all-woman species which reproduces without men by using special drugs/magic. Old tabletop editions had them using Old One tech (ported over 40k guns) and having batshit crazy holy warriors of some kind.

>>172457989
This is sad. If they were smart theydve recorded all the potential lines for the original factions during the first games development. No way they go back and do it again. Do original factions have their specific dialogue for beastmen/elves/brets? not sure if ive heard any

>>172459910
*tips conical helmet*

Dunno if posted already but the Total War stream is up with the reveal countdown and some jungle noises
twitchtv/totalwarofficial

>>172459982
I'm treating dumb piece of shit retards like they deserve to be treated nothing else.

Even wild animals learn respect after being smacked around enough, I expect someone with the intelligence level of a prairie dog to take about the same work

>>172460150
FIRST ENSIGN, RUN THE NOISES THROUGH THE ANALYSER

>>172457221
They don't like loud noises.

>>172460267
definitely some dinosaur shrieking in there

>>172460056
IIRC they retconned some of that shit, now they're just Norscan women whose men all died.

They're still pretty muhc fetish-fuel bikini-clad turbolesbians that getnly rape all the men they can get, but they don't have laserguns anymore.

And at one point they got a merc regiment.

Or maybe I'm imagining things and mixing them up with other shit.

>>172459128
Japs didn't have magic and a goddess turning their great soldiers into demigods. That's their thing, clunky antiquated society, but with real shit that lets them keep competing.

>>172456181
Because why should I always make the new thread? It's so simple yet none of you retards ever step up to do it.

>He may not have loved me the most, but he certainly loved me the longest.

What a fucking Mannlet.

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Stop playing fantasy

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>>172456865
Save every good battle and watch the replay immediately afterword, then back to campaign.

Using this one weird trick has really improved TW:W for me.

>>172458141

I figure the only reason the Brets don't let their peasants use gunpowder is because the peasants are too stupid and because it means if the peasants ever revolted they'd be fucked. But I am not sure if peasants ever revolt in Bretonnia

>>172458471

Map editing and model stuff will never happen, and I wish it could because I'd love to go hog-wild making shit for Ind and Cathay and so on.

>>172460772

Tilea/Estalia Mod has an amazon regiment of renown so I assume there was one regiment of renown that served.

>>172460716
I think I heard a distance YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Nippon confirmed!

>>172459910
typical elflover

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Rock the boat!

>>172460716
confirmed for lizardmen

>>172461245
Shogun 3: Asanuma's doom?

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>>172460772
>Or maybe I'm imagining things and mixing them up with other shit.
which shit?

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Which Legendary Lords would you like to see added next?

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>>172457698

I did, I chose Attila

Should have said TWW for army sizes

It's gonna be South American isn't it?

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>>172460772
The Norse bits are an in-universe origin for the Amazons as given by the Skeggi settlement, but even then I can't find any official-certified-GW-canon source that supports this fluff, but it's pasted around the Internet a lot. Until I find that source, I just fall back to old-ass editions to be safe.

>>172461467
More spooks

>>172461227
>will never happen

i wouldnt put it on side that someone one day will find what third program they use for the campaign map etc
but even then its better to wait that all the content ca make as been added before trying to mod shits into the game like inds etc

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>pre-order race is more vampires

>>172461467
more von Carsteins

all of the von Carsteins
even ones that don't exist yet

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Any nazi anon can do this small exercise for me, I'm dead tired and just want to play some tw before going to sleep

how do you counter wood elves as beastmen (sfo)?

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>>172461467

Gittila da Hunter

>>172461664
>The Norse bits are an in-universe origin for the Amazons as given by the Skeggi settlement, but even then I can't find any official-certified-GW-canon source that supports this fluff, but it's pasted around the Internet a lot. Until I find that source, I just fall back to old-ass editions to be safe.

It's from white dwarf 307 & 308.

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>>172461505
Pre-Conquest New World Total War

>>172461838
Centigors

Centigors everywhere

>>172461664
need the rest of these, plus hopefully orc/dorf one is finished, i need to be educated.

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>>172461790
>CA adds custom Lord creator
>it's only available to vampire factions
>brand new 'sire' mechanic!

Sorry to show myself as such a newfag but I've got a question. Is this supposed to happen?
>playing Medieval 2 with End Times mod
>my first total war game
>skip the base game completely aside from 30 mins in a random campaign so I get a very basic grip of the controls, then install the mod right away
>fast forward like 80 hours
>playing Dwarfs, one of my priests goes Heretic, has total of 2 piety now
>send 2 priests to burn him, one has a 60% chance of success and the other has 44%
>the outcome is EXACTLY the same EVERY time: the 60% priest fails, and the 44% priest goes heretic
I've reloaded like 15 times and every time this happens. What the fuck does this even mean? Does the game decide beforehand the outcome of these things? Cause that's what it looks like

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>>172462079

>>172461467
Some kind of rendition of Krell, it's way overdue. maybe as a green knight mechanic or special hero/mount though the kemmler model is already finished.

>>172462356
>Mount
Ferris Bueller you're my hero.

>>172461838
Sacrifice doggos on them to keep them from skirmishing so your gore bull / minos get to them

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>>172462134
>Custom lord creator
Is that too much to ask? it can be shallow as you like and still enjoyable and satisfying. Traits allowances, downsides, all that jazz, also army painter.

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> as I hold "Ghal Maraz"
> I am ready

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Jesus christ I fucking hate sieges as Brettonia

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>>172462079

>>172462780

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO DAAARK

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>>172461227
Peasants really only revolt when the taxes are too high, or they're starving, or they're starving because the taxes are too high. At that point, it barely matters that death is guaranteed - better to die fighting than to just give in. And occasionally peasants are even encouraged to revolt, if their lord is revealed to be a servant of Chaos or something.

It's never outright said, but I'm guessing the main reason peasants don't use gunpowder is that Bretonnia doesn't really make use of firearms - there's almost no one to make the guns and teach peasants how to use them. A musket might be relatively simple, but a cannon would need a more skilled engineer. And one of the shitty things about Bretonnian lore is how often things like who the engineers and architects and such are. This is very well fluffed out in the Empire and the Dwarves, but in Bretonnia you barely know what exists outside of vague ideas about blacksmiths and merchants.

>>172462709

Bro lords don't even change weapons in game. Franz just has Ghal Maraz the entire game even though you need to go on an epic quest to supposedly get it. We're fucked.

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>>172462743
>I am Karl Franz
>They will obey

Any way to unlock Boris & Red Duke without playing the mini campaigns?

I really fucking hate beastmen campaign and heard its buggy

>>172462950

SweetFX, forgot to turn it off after the battle. Looks great on the battlefield, but not so good on the campaign map.

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[Autistic Screeching]

>>172462283

yes it doesn't randomize it. although iirc if you load maybe a turn earlier, change up something miniscule, like your army's movement (this may not even be required), there'll be a new "seed" generated and you can happily savescum to victory. alternatively, wait a turn

>>172462993
I don't mind that all too much myself, I never did expect much in the line of animation swapping for the sake of a tiny weapon equip.

>>172463252

> MORTAL REALM BE DESTROYED
> REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>172461219
I dont recall history having super powered jewish warriors, armored tank elephant guns, and ninja romans.

>>172461415
>which shit?
Nothing specific, but I'm a bit of a fa/tg/uy and I read so many backgrounds and rulesets over teh years that the amazon tribe trope is one that I just got used to finding everywhere.

but Warhammer just took all the tropes 25 years ago and inculded them in the setting, so it'S generally a safe bet to assume that whatever it is, it will be present in WHFB and 40k..

>>172463252

FUCKING NORMIES

GET OUT OF MY REALITY THAT THE OLD ONES STOLE FROM US

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>172459128

It's actually because High Elven archer's are vastly more effective than your average rifleman. High Elven compound bows are heavily enchanted and a skilled archer can fire many times faster than primitive guns.

The advantage of early guns is that they allowed people to be very effective at killing people with little training, and so you could march people en masse.

The High Elves don't have a large population, and the population they do have is well trained for the most part, negating both advantages.

What do you think will be new in the next historical TW besides the setting? Considering how TW:W added air, the "large" unit type, lords, and magic, it would seem odd if the next historical TW didn't bring some kind of substantial change or improvement.

I'm still relatively new, what stats do I want to care about for my legendary lords? Say if I want something that can slaughter infantry, and something that can kill enemy lords, what sort of stats should I aim for respectively?

>>172459128
Guns are loud and uncivilized.

Plus it's a worst where many of the races win with numbers, making guns more situational

>>172463398
If CA can't even be bothered to swap weapons for a legendary lord's main quest, there is no way they will put the effort into letting you customize them yourself in any way.

>>172459128
The Japs decided to start copying and learning western shit because they realized that they weren't going to be able to keep things going in the traditional manner and clam up like China and Korea, so they tried to modernize themselves first to allow themselves to keep their culture and traditions. More or less this worked out well.

But China, on the other hand, was large, thought that the European powers were tiny and distant, and kept on refusing to change their culture or adopt western ways well into the 19th century. If China can do that in the time where they were the most ass-backwards and shitty, the High Elves can do it when their power is waning, but they're still pretty powerful compared to most other races, with a strong global presence and tricks up their sleeve that keep them equal to more technologically advanced races. It's not just 'honor,' it's 'my shit already works perfectly well because we're the best at bows and have the best bows, we don't need your crappy guns.' And it's not just pride saying that - they're elves and have the best materials and magic to work into shit.

>>172459128
Hence why dwarfs are dying.

Chaos Dwarfs meanwhile learned to adapt and try new things.

>>172463837
*world

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>>172460772
If you want anon, I can dump a few pages of lore shit about them.

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>>172463949
The mighty Dwarf Empire was destroyed when the Slann moved the continents to their current positions. The resulting worldwide super earthquakes destroyed most of the Dwarfholds.

If the Dwarfs ever knew the Lizardmen were responsible for millions of Dwarf corpses, I couldn't even imagine what would happen.

>>172463620
>High Elven archer's are vastly more effective than your average rifleman

Against things without armor/tough skin. For skirmishing against hardier stuff, helves rely on artillery and magic.

>>172464115
go on

Chances are, I have those articles in some pdf datadump I saved from /tg/ and simply never read through them.

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>>172464115
I'm gonna dump lore shit until I run out or someone tells me to stop.

>>172463252
what Gemfx?

>>172464174
>I couldn't even imagine what would happen

In the modern day, probably little. Dwarfs have a very hard time projecting power when they're constantly being assailed by rats, orks, and gobbos.

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>>172464307

So what is going to be the Lizardmens rooster?

>>172463773

it depends on the LL. usually you wanna scoop up the unique traits.

for what you're asking weapon strength is the most important. melee attack if you want to assassinate enemy lords. but if you want to rely on your LL to be a 1-man army dip into the +%hp line that most ll's get

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THEY HAVE WRONGED US

KHAZUKAN KHAZAKIT-HAAAAAAAAA

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>>172464505

>>172464651
NO DO NOT DEFILE DAWI HONOR WITH WEEB PICTURES THIS IS GOING IN THE BOOK!!!!

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ummm, bretonnia is that big?

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>>172464706

>>172464827
No. It just needs the extra space to install the update; you don't download nearly that much.

What are the essentials books to read for Lustria's lore?

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>>172464898
Little bit of lore on this page, but that's pretty much it aside from some rules and conversion stuff.

>>172464827
No, you're just being cucked by CAs dumb method of updating.

>>172462780

o shit nigger what are you doin , scaling the walls with ladders?

>>172462780
"Why do my shieldless, armorless plebs get murdered by their crossbowmen during sieges!?"

Really?

Jesus fuck get the fuck out of my general fantasy shitters

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>>172464746
Old Deadeye will get them!

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>>172465639
THAT'S A GRUDGE

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I want to be dominated by a best elf!

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>>172465639

>>172465882
The son fucker?

>>172462780
Pro tip - cough up the money for the Men-at-Arms with shields. I know Leoun starts with some, but the ones without are never, ever worth it. Even peasant mobs are questionable as anything other than cannon fodder, even with some love and care, but at least they're super cheap.

Shields make them far more survivable - not just against arrow fire, but in most combat situations. Sometimes I wonder why CA even put the shieldless variants in the game - it just gives the impression Bretonnia has more infantry than it actually does.

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>>172465882
>my dick when we get to play as her

They better not make her £10 dlc or something.

>>172465882

While lost in a Druchii fortress, you stumble across Morathi fucking Malekith. Before you can beat a retreat she points a finger at you and warns you not to go far, as you are next. You have an opal amulet and a potion of speed. What do you do

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>>172465882
So I read all the Army Books thinking I would only be interested in best elves but now I'm most looking forward to Ogre Kingdoms and Tomb Kings.

>>172465639

I never thought I'd say this but the shitposters trying to divide the general might have been onto something

>>172466523
Rub potion on my genital area, the better to prepare for the ordeal ahead.

>>172466523
stand there and wait my turn like a good little boy

>>172466454
Maybe it's because I'm a contrarion faggot, but I think it would be best to have Hellebron with her and Malekith. Morthrai has interesting relations with both of them, and it gives them an interconnected feel the three options for the Bretonnians currently lack.

>>172466523
Run. That pussy has Slaaneshi energies, your dick will get eaten alive and your soul sucked out through it if she so much as breathes on you.

>/v/ still in denial thinking it's going to be another history game

>>172466523
Slannesh guide my cock.

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>>172465639

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSREw0HnIHA
>lizardbros soundtrack
i hope they'll deliver.

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>>172465639
This place belongs to us, as it always had.

>>172466523
Isn't Malekith just a corpse sealed inside an armor?
>I told malekith to walk through the divine fires of judgement and he actually did it the absolute madman

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>>172466523

E-everhcosen this *Unzips the Slayer of Kings*

>>172467036
He's extra crispy, but alive, enough to fuck his mom at least.

>>172466281

You can't really build them that early, and the only way I can see myself taking MBurg this early is by rushing it literally on turn 2. Otherwise they will reach critical levels of crossbowmen that cannot be contained.

Problem is if I wait, the fucking orcs will come down from the mountain and fuck my shit up.

>>172467481
In my normal Bret campaign, I besieged Marienburg on turn 2 while the orcs just sat in their settlement and suffered attrition due to low fightiness.

>>172467656

I'm doing Very Hard, and it's quite a challenge from the start. The orcs will have an army read turn 4 and come fuck your shit up. You need to have taken Marienburg by then.

It's almost too hard, but I hate doing endgame on anything but Very Hard.

>>172468149
>peasant
>with a sword

What the shit.

On a very random note, didn't the peasant mobs have hammers at one point? I could've sworn that was a thing.

>>172467036
Third degree burns over his entire body. He uses frost enchantments to numb the pain.

What is "+% Reinforcement Range"?

I thought reinforcement was a yes/no state as far as "range" goes?

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IF OUR LORD IS T'BECOME KING I hope the Lizardmen speak gibberish a la Beastmen

AS I HOLD GHAL MARAZ

>>172468587
It makes the little red bubble around your general that dictates whether they reinforce or not expand.

>>172468629
I think the skinks should have high pitched gibberish, and other units noncommital grunts and growls, with excited roaring when battle is joined.

The slann should be deadly silent, or their skink attendant should speak on thier behalf

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>>172465639
The Empire endures

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HOO
HAA
HOO
HAA

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>>172468979
>Skinks: Almost constant chirping and babbling, unit says long sentences whenever clicked or given orders
>Saurus: Unit is near silent unless in combat, will give a sharp, one or two word response when commanded
>Kroxigor: Animalistic roars, will give a single word or just make noise whenever ordered

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Welcome, oldest friends of the Empire!

>>172462809
It's Archaon, not Archaeon

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>>172465639
POO POO PEE PEE
WE DON'T CARE FOR HISTORY
Don't worry, I actually do

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G O B L I N S

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Anyone know what it might be?

BEARDS IN BELTS

>>172470275

Aztec: Total Warrior

>>172470275
Yeah man I think it's Cambodia!!

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>>172470140
Goblins...

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Proud son of Athel Loren!

>>172470275
Oh fuck CHAOS DWARFS CONFIRMED

>>172461467
Settra the Imperishable

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>>172471034
Can I get a quick rundown on Chaos Dwarfs? Are they as interesting as normal Dwarfs?

AHHHHHHHHHHHHH

WHY TYEH FUCK DO MEN AT ARMS COUNT AS PEASANTS?
And why are there no non peasant bowmen?

>>172471648
Because they ARE peasants?

And for the same reason there isn't any non-peasant infantry

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Goblin Dabbing

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>>172471648

Because they are peasants

What else would they be?

>>172471648
In Bretonnia you can be either a knight or a peasant. Nothing else save perhaps a damsel/prophetess of the Lady

>>172471648
Everyone that's not a noble in Bretonnia is a peasant. No exceptions - well, except foreigners. But just about anyone that fights on foot, and the light cavalry, are going to be peasants.

Using a bow is unchivalrous - that's why peasants are allowed to use them, since nobles believe peasants don't really have honor. They're unchivalrous because fighting as a knight is way better as far as they're concerned, and Giles le Breton was killed by an Orc arrow.

F A N T A S Y
A
N
T
A
S
Y

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Arkhan the Black solo faction when?

I wanna play as the greatest "living" wizard.

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>>172464432
Just running on ultra, nothing else added on.

>>172471539
babylonian themed dwarfs east of the world's edge mountains that dug too deeply and greedily into that desertic region chocked by sulfuric emissions found a new daemonic patron with whom made a pact for knowledge and power to save themselves in a moment of crisis caused by their isolation from the old dawi

now they are master smiths for the forces of chaos, produce great engines of war often fueled by bound daemons, make use of slaves of numerous races with a preference for greenskins of which ended up selectively evolving an even stronger and diligent breed (the black orcs) and unlocked the secrets for managing to cast magic despite their dwarfen nature at the cost of terminal petrification upon use and mutations

their hats are silly

>>172471539
Think of Dwarfs with a Byzantine feel and most importantly big hats.
They're just Dwarfs who use magic outside of runes and are obsessed with creating chaos infused technology

>>172472386
>"Look at all these disgusting heretics."

>>172472371
When they release the Tomb Kings

So either "never" or "SOON" depending on what warhammer 2 holds.

>>172472442
>their hats are silly
You take that back!

>>172471539
they make infernal war machines powered by demons or sometimes not but either way extremely powerful, they're the ones who make and man the helcannons, but they have rocket artillery massive bombards etc. They can make pacts with demons for magic power, but it causes them to petrify. Their mainline infantry are essentially armored blunderbuss infantry with bayonets. but they also have slave jannisary like troops in hobgoblins. their land is a wasteland filled with black towers and forges constantly spewing smoke. They have a literal artillery train, as in a train that tugs artillery around. They have no qualms about trying new things unlike their regular dwarf cousins, but their new tech is also more likely to explode either due to the powers involved or the fickleness of the demons bound to it.

I like to think of them as turks. big guns and a lot of slave infantry.

>play Bretonians
>all your units suck ass, even the demi-god grail knights get killed by stock empire units unless they're not charging constantly

At the very least, grail knights should be decent in ordinary melee.

>>172472296
Whats that one quote from peasants

something like

Who cares about honor, Arrows kill.

good stuff.

>>172473192
uh. no.

and if you don't know how or when to charge. then just stop playing bretonnia.

Go back to ez mode empire.

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>>172472386
>"Damn it feels good to be a gangster"

>>172473251
There's also an organisation of peasant merchants in lore (Bretonnia actually has something that resembles a burgher class; they just don't have representation) who've taken to importing gunpowder weapons like muskets and cannons from both the Empire and the Dwarfs. The nobles are not huge fans of it and are getting spooked, but there's nothing in Bretonnian law that says it's illegal.

french revolution when

>>172473192
This.
>LOOK AT ALL THIS CAVALRY
>it's all shit
It's like playing gimped Empire.

>>172464174
The 2 Game dwarf grand campaign starts with reclaiming all holds/settling all available dwarf provinces. Then Total Elf Genocide. Then they find out about the Slann causing the catacylsm that destroyed their empire and start Total Frog Genocide.

Why is it whenever I build walls for a settlement, it's never a wall battle when I'm defending unless it's a capital?

>>172473931
because you need to get it upgraded to tier 3

>>172470620
HArpies are beast men ubits

>>172473931
There's something about the AI in TWW that makes them turtle like mad and never attack settlements unless they have a massive advantage; to the point of it being meaningless to actually fight the battle.

The AI in Shogun 2 seems to be more prone to assaulting forts; aslong as the balance is somewhat in their favour, but far from the total superiority the TWW AI requires.

>>172473931
>>172474280
Oh hang on I think I misunderstood the question.

>>172473192
I don't understand. You're not supposed to use cavalry in this game for long engagements or to hold the line. You charge, you wait a few seconds for them to do their damage in melee, and then you cycle them out to charge again. This works best in support of your peasants, who act as an anvil for your hammer, and with a grail reliquae to keep them fighting.

I've been able to get massive amounts of kills with careful use of Knights Errant - how are Grail Knights giving you trouble? They do a ton of damage and have good health.

>>172471539
Quick Rundown on them:
>High Elves Bow to Chaos Dwarfs
>In contact with Old Ones
>Rumored to possess warp like abilities
>Control the dark lands with an iron fist
>Own ziggurats and dark factories all over the world
>Direct descendants of the ancient Hashut bloodline
>Will bankroll the first cities on Morrslieb (Hashutdangrad will be the first city)
>In the process of terraforming Mannslieb as their personal moon city
>Own basically every Orc DNA editing research facility in the Old World
>First designer babies will be Bull-Centaur babies
>Every dwarf is said to have 400+ IQ
>Ancient Nehekarhan scriptures tell of a race of demi-gods who will descend upon the Old World and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
>These are the Chaos Dwarfs
>They have Zhaggbot R&D labs around the world
>You likely have Zhagdabots inside you right now
>Every child has the mark of Hashut implanted in them at birth
>The Chaos Dwarfs are in regular communication with the Chaos god Hashut, forwarding the word of the Bull god to the Zharr-Naggrund temples
>Discovered the Sword of Khaine
>They learned fluent Brettonian in under a week
>Caledor Dragontamer allows them full access to Ulthuan
>Dwarf clans entrust their Gromril reserves with the Chaos Dwarfs. There is no gromril in Karak-a-Karak, only Zharr-Naggrund
>The race is 67000 years old, from the space time reference point of the base elf
>In reality, they are timeless beings existing at all points of time, from the arrival of the old ones to the end times
>They have been able to access the chaos record since birth, and have spoken about what they saw while they were newborns
>The chaos dwarfs will guide the old world into a new age of chaos, technology and Hobgoblins

>>172457221
>>Can somebody explain, why High elves don't use guns?
Elves are inhumanely good shots. Muskets when used enmass create huge amounts of smoke that fuck over accuracy. So Elves don't get as much utility out of using them enmass. And since Elves have magical bow and arrows for their elite archers, guns don't even have much room as sharpshooter weapons for them.

Mind you. A lone Elf with a repeater handgun is bassically this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkGcTs9iQDY

I AM PRINCE AND EMPEROR

>>172473520
Except that you're also forgetting that the peasant merchants are usually the first to suppress any grumblings of revolution because they're the ones who are doing well and they know that the nobility have no qualms with slaughtering anyone and everyone if they think there's a peasant rebellion.

>turn 134
>"Doom Tide" message every single turn for the last 10 turns
>no Archeon still

what the fuck is going on

>>172474868
wrong

>>172474868
This is..cancer.

>>172456294
just saw the live stream on youtube, what is going on.

>>172474868
>when a chaos dwarfs brain is the first part to petrify.

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>>172475254
Let me dream you bourgeoisie hater

>>172475359
Accept the truth elf.

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Yer come to the wrong hamlet, scum

the jungle must be lizard men right?

All I hope is they get rid of the chaos timer, I hate the Attila system. Its not fun just stressful.

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I'm trying to figure out exactly how melee defense works. It's a roll against the melee attack stat of the attacker, if it wins does it completely negate an attack or just mitigate it based on it's value like the way armor works? Also if Franz on deathclaw is fighting a blob of infantry that have surrounded him does the melee defense stat work against the units swinging at his back?

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>>172474868

All dis an' dem spikey stunties still got BTFO by Grimgor and all his boys in da End Times! Even that git Hashut came a runnin' to save 'is bloody runts, 'un you kno wut happind? Gork n Mork came a stompin an' crumped the runt. Green is B E S T

>>172474868
Kek good shit

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>>172474868
Ok that's a well adapted pasta

Nice job, anon

>>172475619
I dont mind the chaos event but I want more variety
Once we get skaven I want the event to randomly be replaced with vermintide

>>172475839
if they switch it up and make them short events and not the end game and just make them OP. fine.

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Do you think we going to get 2 Chaos invasion now?
One from old world and other from new world?
Maybe if we get luck going to have some changes to chaos

>>172475839
I'd love for some random climactic events. there should always be a chaos invasion, but whether its just another chaos invasion or a true end times event... A vermintide or the return of Nagash or unified orc waaagh. etc. all would be cool scenarios to deal with.

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History fags btfo

seems like twitch stream is dead but youtube has more viewers

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I thought Wurrzag would be easy, turns out it would be my hardest campaign after maybe Durthu.
>Karak Azul took out all east orc tribes by turn 40
>Together with the dwarfs they rape Grimgor
>They confederate by turn 60
My armies consist only of savage orcs, trolls, rock lobbers and some of the RoR so have to outsmart every dwarf army. What's a good late game setup against dwarveshits?

HOLY FUCKING SHIT


WARHAMMER WORLD IS BASED ON EARTH

>>172474495

Yeah, but your reply was helpful too.

>>172474083

I do, but still...is there a bug about it, or maybe Orcs don't get them?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8zlUUrFK-M

Who's ready

hobgoblins more like knobgoblins :D

>>172475985
Chaos is easy as shit though, you even get a big diplomacy boost just as it starts to make it easy if you got any wars going on or need more money from trade.

>>172476607
it's still fucking annoying
fuck that bird

>>172476562

eeeeeeeeeeeyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

>>172476441
How?

All orc factions are easy as shit cos of waaagh mechanic.

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>>172476531
ITS BEEN SO LONG! The wait for the best faction is almost here! No more Vampire Cunts, no more stunties, no more of that shit!

>>172476860
yeah no more just bland lord of the rings races

>>172476860
I'm ready for playable Vampire Coast

Lustria will be the continent of the undead

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>>172472371
>greatest "living" wizard.
>implying it's not muh boi
Step aside undead fucking shits, real necrodancer is about to tear this dance floor a new one

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I'm disappointed with the "Tomb Kings Still Not Announced" guy. He quitted pretty fast after the game's release.

>>172476968
>High Elves

>>172477630
Yeah but the realest undead is Abhorash and don't you forget it

The REALEST

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>>172476470

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>>172477697

>>172477702
High Elves have fucking giant human eating lions, and flying attack chariots. There hardly LOTR

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What an actual Pyrrhic victory looks like

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>>172477842

>>172473345
>Bretonia
>hard
It's just hammer and anvil all day everyday. At least empire has multiple viable lategame army compositions. With Bretonia it boils down to:
>squires and grail knights
or
>grail guardians and grail knights

Does anybody else just sit in their starting province + maybe the adjacent one and consolidate for like 70 turns and THEN start expanding? Works like a charm on all difficulties.

>>172467017
Now there's a fantasy unit if I ever saw one.

vanilla magic is actually strong as shit since they updated it.

The only thing left I wish they'd change is upping the winds of magic cap based on how many mages you have in your army. Would make doing combos a lot easier.

>>172477942
Nice

>>172477630
God's don't count though.

>>172476060
Eventually, we wil have Archie, a Daemonhost (probably led by Valkia, or a Nurgle guy) and Nagash.

And they will all ignore everything and everyone to just head straight for you.

>>172477942
One of the first things I learned when playing as the Crooked Moon is that Pyrrhic Victories aren't. Even with Pyrrhic Victories you do vastly more damage to the enemy than you yourself take because Goblins are ded killy and super cheap.

fuck I love the crooked moon orcs more like DORCs amirite

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>>172478620

I'd say this one was pretty Pyrrhic tho

>>172477942
>tfw I get the best pyrrhic victories but have a toaster so I can't keep bodies on because it reduces my already horribly low fps

>>172476060
Norscans in Skeggi will declare war on Lizardmen when the Chaos invasion starts and spawn several stacks of chaos guys like the Bjornlings

If CA is smart they'll put the Hung tribes in the Land of Chill north of Naggaroth to invade the Dark Elves come Chaos time. And also dump a stack onto Ulthuan.

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>>172478730
just do what I did and go into massive credit card debt to buy a 2 grand PC!!!

>>172478726
jesus that's a lot of marauders

surprised they weren't all chaos chariots

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>>172478506
Just who the fuck do they think I am?!

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>>172465882
Morathi's a great girl. Wonder if we'll get Slaanesh-abuser Morathi or Heketari Morathi?

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>>172478963

I've never encountered full norscan chariot armies... Are they only super late game or what? Usually I finish campaigns around turn 130

>>172479043
The lame one. CA has been just using 8th edition lore.

I kept the same 3 chaos warriors and chosen halberd unit with kholek for 89 turns.

Family is important.

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>>172474868
>>Ancient Nehekarhan scriptures tell of a race of demi-gods who will descend upon the Old World and will bring an era of enlightenment and unprecedented technological progress with them
Objectively true

>>172475568
In real-world France, things remained partially feudal up until the revolution - almost completely unchanged since the Sun King, with a lot of that stretching back to medieval France. France was powerful, but surprisingly backwards, even as the cultural center of Europe.

The French Revolution only came about because things got really, really shitty. The king was a shit that wasn't good at his job, the economy was in shambles (as it often was, since the government spent more than it could make), and inflation and starvation were a huge problem. French peasants were willing to do almost nothing until things were at their shittiest.

If you look at Bretonnia...I'm not saying it couldn't get shitty, but Leoun is a pretty damn good king - French peasants are happy when the Roi is strong, even if things suck. And Bretonnia overall has a pretty stable, if very agricultural, economy, and there's no sign of any famine coming. They also don't have any Enlightenment thinkers.

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>>172478739
>Implying that Dark Elves won't ally with Chaos and lead a joint invasion of Ulthuan with them

>>172479185
They're not really late game, it's just that when thee are more than about 8 of those chariots in a battle they are super-annoying to deal with if you fight the battle yourself.

how does an anno 1547 japanese warlord know what a tiger is

>>172479992
Indians

I can't wait for Lustria to come out, so I can play as beastmemes.

>>172475609
You better tell me what mod that is, anon, that looks pretty damn sexy. Even if I would rather that Knight Errant crappy bascinet visor in this case, because peasants.

>>172479232
>tfw you lose the army you start out with and all the sexy units in it

>tfw lightning striking the 3 core chaos armies in a row with an elite stack, then mopping them all up with another in a single turn

bretty fun

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>>172479992
I'm not sure I understand the question.

>>172479835
Yeah you're definitely right about most of those things.

One thing has to be said about Bretonnia though; their culture isn't just backwards, it's entirely based on the moment. The nobles, the peasants, the rich peasants; they all live their life today and don't really think about the future. An example used is that peasants won't save up food for a nice feast over the year; they'll just feast right after the harvest and then eat fuckall for the rest of the year.

They're massive, passionate idiots.

>>172480302
thanks for this map, he must be an educated warlord though, you'll have to give me that.

>>172478360
>Works like a charm on all difficulties.
Works like a charm in all TW games because every war can be summed up as
>early game war; 20v20
>late game war; 40v40

The system of having a general and 19 units attached to it needs to be reworked into something different.

I honestly think they should at least have it so you hire officers first who can only hold 10 stacks. Once they level up enough then they become generals who can hold 20.

>>172476441
All your Savage Orc buffs
Tons of big Savage Orcs
Charge them

>>172479930
Dark Elves have no reason to be allied with Chaos

At best they might be like Greenskins and Chaos currently are

>>172480191
>sail across ocean to new world
>poopoo peepee on lizardmen temples